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Wait, Hospitals are STILL DOING THIS?? These People Need to be LOCKED UP! · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So perhaps you remember the earlier interviews I did with doctor Brian Artis, where he was talking about the hospital's remdesivir protocols and just the overall protocols the hospitals were taking that really painted the picture that the hospitals weren't trying to cure you for COVID, but they were actually financially incentivized to make sure you didn't leave the hospital. Well, my guest today, Scott Schlar, who has an organization called Our Amazing Grace, is going to share with us the tragic story of what happened to his daughter at the hospital and what he's now doing to expose what's happening with this system. But before we get into this, folks, make sure you're following me on Telegram and Truth Social at Man in America.
• 0:43
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• 1:05
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• 1:37
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• 2:01
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• 2:20
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• 2:52
  Again, that's (720) 605-3900 or gold with seth dot com. Alright, folks, let's go ahead and jump in this interview with Scott Schlara. So Scott, thank you very much. I'm honored to have you here on the Man in America Show. Just thank you for being here.
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: Well, the the honor is mine, Seth. I got to know your program through a friend of ours who is a doctor, and she shared your program with me a couple of different times. And so it it's quite an honor to be here.
• 3:23
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you. So, Scott, let's just go ahead and dive in. Can you just go ahead and give us your story? Know, give us I know you're doing a lot right now, but give us the backstory that really has changed your life.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to introduce Grace first before the backstory, so people know why I'm so passionate. I suppose I'd be passionate anyway, because she was my daughter, but she was my best buddy. And she just had so many gifts. A lot of people don't understand Down syndrome. They think that it's a disability, which technically it is a disability, but it's really it's a gift, and Grace had it.
• 4:07
  She just loved everybody unconditionally. She didn't judge. I see you have a picture of her up right now. She had a connection with God that was pretty amazing. She called me earthly dad, and she called my wife earthly mom.
• 4:25
  It was wonderful. It was wonderful to have her as a daughter. She was just 19 when she died. I wanted to just share a couple of stories about Grace, because she had a sense of humor. A lot of people think that Down syndrome children are really cognitively behind, but Grace was very high functioning.
• 4:45
  My wife taught her how to read and write. I taught her how to drive. But her sense of humor really showed who she was. So she deer hunted with me, which this next week in Wisconsin, deer hunting starts the weekend after this one, and she would be out there with me. And one of the times we were sitting in the deer stand, she said, Dad, I have a joke for you.
• 5:06
  I said, Well, what's your joke? And she said, Where do bees go to the bathroom? I said, I don't know. Where do they go to the bathroom? And she said, The BP station.
• 5:16
  So then what happened I mean, she's so smart. So she made that up on her own. So then what happens is her and I started bantering and we started ratcheting it up. So then I said to her, Well, where do rabbits go to the bathroom? And she got it right away, IHOP.
• 5:32
  So then she said, Well, dad, where do turtles go to the bathroom? And then that's the Shell station. So she was like that. She got this stuff. And somebody told her a joke one time.
• 5:46
  These jokes are circulating, but it was the one where, Have you heard the called Under the Bleachers? And then you'd say, No, I haven't heard that book. And then Grace would say, Well, would you like to know who it was written by? And you'd say, Well, of course. Then she would say, See more buts.
• 6:08
  So then we took that, and her and I sat down one night. We started ratcheting that up. And so then she came up with, Have you read the book, How to Shave Your Underarms? I said, No, I haven't read that book. Who was it written by?
• 6:23
  It's written by Harry Pitts. So she just had this. So she was a funny, funny kid, and just a natural Well, it was a God inspired love. It's the way that we're supposed to love people, but I certainly can't do it. She just had it.
• 6:45
  She was a wonderful gift for nineteen years. And I never miss somebody like this. And that's ultimately why I started sharing the story. And, of course, it's gotten substantially bigger than than the story. Now we're saving people's lives through the story, which is which is pretty it's pretty awesome to be part of it.
• 7:07
  Seth Holehouse: And so
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: So you wanna go ahead.
• 7:09
  Seth Holehouse: So walk us through the story of how she goes from being this healthy, what she was 18, 19 years old.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: So this was last October 2021. She was 19. She turned 19 on September twenty second of twenty twenty one. So this was three weeks after her nineteenth birthday. She got a sniffle around September 28, and we were fully prepared with the frontline doctor's protocol at home, so we really didn't think anything of it.
• 7:38
  She was already on a vitamin protocol, but then we started ivermectin. And ultimately, on October 1, we decided to test her with a home test. And the reason we did that was we were planning on going to a wedding. So she was well enough to go to the wedding, but we just thought if she's got COVID, we shouldn't go just for the benefit of the other people. And so we tested her, she tested positive.
• 8:03
  So we did not go to the wedding. We still didn't think anything of it. But then on October 6, she was not able to maintain her oxygen saturation above 90. She was in the high 80s, and we perceived that as an emergency. And at that point, we were awake to the jab.
• 8:23
  Grace was never vaccinated, not just with the COVID jab, but she had never been vaccinated her whole life. So we were awake to that, but we were not awake to the money, what's all going on. We still had a trust in the white coat. And ultimately, our trust in the white coat is what killed Grease. And so we went to the urgent care in Appleton, Wisconsin, and they did some blood work on her, and they made it into an emergency, and we bought into it.
• 8:58
  And so what happened was one of the blood chemistry parameters is called D dimer. And D dimer is a measurement of your body's propensity to clot. And she had a D dimer over 5,000. They couldn't give the exact number based on the test, but told us, the doctor told us the normal walk around number is less than 500. So she was at least 10 times higher.
• 9:22
  They said, This is an emergency. We want to take her by ambulance to the hospital so they can do a CT scan. And so I rode in the ambulance with Grace, and we got to the hospital then, and they did a CT scan, and she was fine. So, you know, after the fact, I learned that the Delta variant, but probably all the variants, but I studied the Delta variant because I didn't understand why Grace went to the hospital, or why she had low oxygen. And the reason I studied it is because three days after Grace died, I ended up in the hospital substantially worse than Grace.
• 9:58
  And so you think, what is the reason? We're on the frontline doctor's protocol, but both of us ended up with low oxygen, and mine was substantially lower than Grace's, and I almost died the first night. And so it was strange. And so we found out through the research that genetically, I have a clotting issue and an inflammation issue. And if you have those as a genetic makeup, it produces low oxygen with the Delta variant.
• 10:30
  Doctor. Chetty's research we have on Grace's website, and ultimately, that connected the dots as to why low oxygen. So Grace likely would have inherited those conditions from me, although we would never tested her for those. Know Grace and I were in the emergency room. So they already did the CT scan, she's on oxygen, she's really doing just fine.
• 10:52
  She doesn't have any breathing problem, nothing. But the ER doctor said, I recommend admitting Grace hospital for three, four days. We'll get her on oxygen and a steroid, get her stable, and then be home. So this is just the normal, what you think of a hospital when you think
• 11:11
  Seth Holehouse: of
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: things outside of COVID and what most people think of hospitals, they are a place you can trust. And so when you think about a hospital system, you just think, well, that would make sense. They're just being overly cautious. They care about my daughter. And so then I said to the doctor and the nurse that were both in the room, I said, Well, I'll be staying with her.
• 11:35
  And they said, Well, you can't. I said, Well, what's the reason? And they said, Well, our COVID policy doesn't allow any visitors on the COVID line. And I said, Well, then I'll be taking Grace home. And then they had a meeting with the higher ups at the hospital, and they came back after about a two hour lapse and said, We decided you could stay as long as you don't leave the room.
• 11:58
  And I said, Well, of course I'm not. I don't have any place to go. I need to be there for my daughter. I mean, even though she was high functioning, she needed an advocate. Grace operated.
• 12:11
  Do you have kids, Seth?
• 12:13
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah, I've got a little two year old,
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: little girl. Okay. Well, wait, I mean, it gets so much fun. So anybody who has kids that have passed through the 10 year old stage, Grace was like 10. And once she turned 10, she never changed.
• 12:26
  I mean, it was just, it's the best time of your life when your child is 10. So Grace is like a 10 year old, maybe 12, tops. So she can't advocate for herself in the hospital, so of course I needed to be there. So we waited in the emergency room for, it was roughly ten hours or so, about midnight on the seventh, we checked into a room. And I perceived it, that this is just going to be a mini vacation with my best buddy.
• 12:59
  And the first day, October 7, was our first day in the hospital, and it was like a mini vacation. We watched movies. My daughter Jessica had sent us some funny clips via Grace's phone on text. It was nice. It was a nice time.
• 13:16
  What happened later on in the day is, so Grace was either on just room air, then a regular cannula, and if she would've even just stayed on the regular cannula and a steroid, Grace would literally be alive today. But what they did next is they used a thing called a Vapotherm, which is another way to say it is a high flow cannula. So it shoots air up your nostrils at a high rate, and it makes a whistling sound that really bugged Grace. Grace was very even tempered. Nothing really got her excited, but this irritated her, and she didn't want that in her nose, which of course I get it.
• 14:01
  And so then I worked with the nurses for about two hours that evening to get a BiPAP mask situated. And again, I'm perceiving So my role at this point is, as I viewed it, was an advocate, but an advocate under the old paradigm. And the old paradigm, and this is one reason I share this story, the old paradigm is you think you're in there, in the hospital room, with your loved one to provide comfort. And what I want to share with these details is that paradigm has to change if you're going to protect your loved one, because you are there to be the clearinghouse for every single decision. You can never give the doctors and nurses any decision making power whatsoever.
• 14:52
  Because if you do, they're going to take advantage of it, and they have a vested interest in using protocols that are no good for your loved ones. So in this case, the protocol that was no good was the Vapotherm, which turned into a BiPAP mask. As I researched with a doctor friend of ours after Grace died, we found out a BiPAP was never even necessary. In fact, it is a way to make you dependent, and it was not a tool that needed to be used. And I knew this because, as I told you earlier, God put me in a different hospital.
• 15:30
  And I think he did that so that I could objectively tell the story, because that hospital, my oxygen saturation was substantially lower than braces. I just about died the first night, and yet they never put me on a BiPAP. They just kept me on a regular cannula the entire time. And they did some other things that we can get into if you'd like, but they did a couple other things and literally turned me around in twenty four hours. And yet with Grace, what they did is they kept ratcheting up the progression of oxygen needs to the point where now she has a BiPAP mask on.
• 16:07
  Grace tolerated the BiPAP mask just fine, but the next day really shows you, I think, why they wanted the BiPAP mask on. So the next day was October October eighth. Do have any questions so far, Seth?
• 16:22
  Seth Holehouse: Well, one, guess, yeah, you know, kinda getting through the night. So did she this mask, which was giving her this increased flow in oxygen, did she wear it through the night and she slept okay, and you you got into the next day, like, as as normal, I guess, as you could say?
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: It it was very normal. And one of the reasons it's normal is Grace's personality was not she really was not an anxious type of person, but also she was diagnosed with sleep apnea several months before going to the hospital. So she was used to wearing a CPAP mask at night. So she didn't bother her a bit to wear it. But it was not necessary, and it prevented feeding, which is, you know, it's a substantial piece of this puzzle as you start putting it all together.
• 17:11
  So the next day on October 8, the doctor came in, I'll get back to the oxygen on October 9. But on October 8, the doctor came in and said, You're gonna need to put your daughter on a ventilator in the next two hours. And this is a huge deal. At this point, I had the perception that a ventilator was a tool in the tool chest for COVID. And that was created by President Trump.
• 17:42
  At the beginning of COVID, he said, We have a ventilator shortage. Factories were converted to making ventilators. And so I thought, Well, this is a tool. But I asked him some questions, and that had me dive into the research, literally, in the hospital. So then I became wise to ventilators.
• 17:59
  So I asked him, What is the prognosis if Grace goes on a ventilator? And he said, Only twenty percent of the people walk out alive. And interestingly, as I dug into it, I found out the real number is only about ten percent. And out of the ten percent who do walk out alive, most of them die in the first year due to complications of the ventilator. And so then I said, Well, what is the reason you're recommending this?
• 18:24
  And he said, Well, we did a blood gas draw last night, and it showed Grace's deteriorating. I said, What time did you do the blood gas draw? And he told me, and it was during a time when we were wrestling with this BiPAP, and Grace's heart rate was high, about 150 beats a minute. Her blood pressure was high, about two thirty five over 135, and I knew this because I'm paying attention. And so I said to him, I don't think that blood gas draw is accurate based on the time that you took it.
• 18:55
  And so I'd like you to retake the numbers. And they did, and Grace was fine. So they were wanting to have us approve a ventilator based on faulty information. After the fact, realize now, after studying, I've got well over a thousand hours of research into Graces, death, and all the related things, and I found out the money trail with a ventilator is approximately a $300,000 payday for the hospital. So the pressure for a ventilator is huge.
• 19:26
  And many, many, many people have reached out to us because of Grace's story going international, and the consistent theme every time is ventilator. And I'm not a doctor, but I would tell you bluntly, there is absolutely no need whatsoever, ever, for a ventilator with COVID. They call it COVID pneumonia. Well, it isn't even So that isn't what it is. Your lungs are not filling up with fluid.
• 19:56
  It's not pneumonia. They label it that way to create a fear. What it is, is it's causing many clots in your lungs. And so a ventilator does nothing for that. All it does is it's an NIH protocol that gets bonus by the government.
• 20:12
  And so the hospitals want to do that. And they pressured us five different times for a ventilator. And when we get to Grace's last day, I'll tie that together.
• 20:21
  Seth Holehouse: Question for you, Scott. Up until this point, you know, you went in, you know, trusting that the doctors are looking out for you, looking out for Grace. When did you start to get that feeling in your stomach of something's not right here?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's unfortunately, I didn't get the the sense that something wasn't right at that level until after Grace died. There were so many times where you'd think I would have got that sense. This was one of them. And I'm going to go through a couple more where you think, Why didn't you get that sense?
• 20:58
  It was never a It's really a line. So, I mean, I looked at it as, Okay, this is terrible care. I need to be here to protect my daughter. So I increased my level of advocacy, no question. I mean, ultimately to the point where I was taken out by an armed guard on October 10, because I just saw, Oh, they're really missing the mark.
• 21:21
  But I didn't realize there was an agenda to kill her at this point. Obviously, I did, we would have a different outcome, because I would have taken her out of the hospital. But you never That line where you think, Are they trying to kill her or what? I mean, that never crossed my mind until after she was gone. And then, I dug into it, of course, now this is all I can't share the story enough times, because I don't want anybody else to die like this.
• 21:52
  And it's real stuff. I mean, Grace's death is not an anomaly, not even close. I mean, we have one point one million people who have died in hospitals of COVID, and I would say that, I would guess a million out of the one point one million have been some version of murder that are either like Grace's story, there's another story I'll share later, or remdesivir, ventilators, some combination of things. Unfortunately, most people have never gotten the records, and so they really do not know what happened. They get the call, your loved one died, nobody's in the room.
• 22:29
  So they get the call, Your loved one dies. And then the government, unbelievably, pays The funeral director, when you bury your loved one, says, All you have to do is fill out this form. The government pays you $9,000 towards your funeral expenses. So the people get their $9,000 They think, Wow, look at what my government is doing. And it's crazy.
• 22:52
  And so they never dig into it. Now, we never took the $9,000 My wife was fantastic with that. When we learned of it, she said, Well, we're not taking their dirty money. And so we never took it. And the reason is it isn't that we didn't have a funeral expense, it just was because by taking it, you really are saying, we agree the death was COVID, and it was not COVID.
• 23:19
  COVID did not kill Grace. So anyway, does that answer your question?
• 23:24
  Seth Holehouse: It does, The
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: light bulb never went off as far as that. I just thought it was exceptionally poor care.
• 23:35
  Seth Holehouse: So now they've come to you, say five times, right? And this is kind of getting into the evening. Even pushing the ventilator. So what happened next? And we're still on October 9, am I correct?
• 23:47
  This
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: October 8, still on the eighth, hospitalist, so the hospitalist is the term that's given to the doctor that is essentially in charge of the care. And I've equated the hospitalist now, as I see this in hindsight, that this is the person that is the smooth talker. They're the person that is supposed to make the family comfortable, to convince them to do certain things. So the fifth claim for the ventilator request was not made until October 12, and we'll get to that. But during that day on October 9, the hospitalist said to me, regarding the ventilator, Well, Scott, isn't a twenty percent chance better than no chance?
• 24:33
  Remember the other doctor had said there's only a twenty percent chance of walking out alive. Well, Grace was doing fine.
• 24:42
  Seth Holehouse: How do we get this 100% death sentence unless she gets on a ventilator?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're framing this like Grace is going to die. And so then he's saying, Isn't a twenty percent chance better than a zero percent chance? And it's like, what is going on here? And I don't know, I really had no idea about, is COVID real? I know a lot about COVID now, a substantial amount, because you start digging into it.
• 25:14
  It was all lie upon lie upon lie. And I mean, of course, you know that because you're awake. And it's just so frustrating when I see this, because I can't see it another way other than intentional after I dug into it. So the next day, which this is the way when I said earlier, want to get to the oxygen situation. So this happened on October 9.
• 25:40
  So Grace was so funny. She got up on the ninth, and she wants to tell me that she's hungry, but she's got this BiPAP mask on. So she starts signing. And I don't know sign language, I'm just a dumb dad, but she's signing. So I'm not understanding, so I just take off the BiPAP mask and she says, I'm hungry, dad.
• 26:05
  So I order food, I start feeding her, and this is substantial, what I'm gonna tell you next. The nurse comes running in the room and says, You can't do that. I said, What's the reason? And she said, Well, Grace's oxygen saturation is only at 85%. And so I processed that for maybe ten, fifteen minutes.
• 26:28
  I thought, This is impossible. She had just been on a regular cannula two days ago, and she was at 98%. There's no way she could be at 85 with this BiPAP mask on, because it's creating a complete seal. They're pumping the oxygen in. There's no way.
• 26:45
  And I had all of my COVID materials in the room because I suspect that I would get COVID. In fact, they told me I was gonna get COVID in the room. And so I took out the finger monitor oxygen saturation and put it on Grace's finger, it read 95%. So I called the nurse back in and I asked her if my finger meter was accurate. She said, Yes, it is.
• 27:07
  So I said, Then why is it that my finger meter is reading 95%, but your expensive monitor is only reading 85%? And she said, Because the leads get sweaty. And I said, Well, if you know that, why aren't you proactively changing these leads out every three or four hours or whatever, just so that you have an accurate reading, given this is the primary tool you're using to decide what care you're going to provide for my daughter? And she snoddily responded, and she pointed her finger at me, You should just be thankful you caught this. So again, you look at this and think, is just like, boy, are these people stressed out?
• 27:48
  This is crappy care, whatever. But my perspective of advocacy, of course, is changing by the minute while I'm in there with Grace. Realized, holy cow, I've got to be paying attention to everything.
• 28:01
  Seth Holehouse: And I'll share a quick story with you, Scott, that. You know, as we were talking about before the show, I lost my brother, and and he was 33, and he he spent about eight months or so in the actual hospital, another eight months outside the hospital we got him out. What you're telling me, and this is pre COVID, was is almost identical to what we went through. Because he also he had a traumatic brain injury because of a mistake the hospital made when he first went in. And they told us, you know, on day three, they brought in palliative care and said, basically, we should just unplug him.
• 28:35
  And we're like, no. Like, there's no. Absolutely not. He he he woke back up, and it's a whole different story. But that what you it just reminded me of that feeling of I have to be watching him closer than the nurses do.
• 28:48
  Because the nurses would come in, they'd make mistakes, they'd recommend something that wasn't needed. And we, between his wife and I, we were monitoring every single medication that he was on. And so many times, we had to stop the doctor or stop the nurse from administering something that we knew would have had a bad effect because they weren't paying attention. They weren't sharing notes with the other, you know, other sectors of the hospital. And God, it just it brings back all of those, all those memories.
• 29:15
  And so I can't imagine what you're experiencing going through this, especially with all the COVID nonsense, and especially because you're someone that had been following the frontline doctors ahead of time. You weren't someone that just was walking in blind and then just leaving confused and, you know, going a little about your day. You knew. So sorry to interrupt you there, but just like, just it really brought back that memory to me.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this type of interview, my preference is to get interrupted like that, because I think it just is a great way to do an interview. So I enjoy that. Keep I'll
• 29:51
  Seth Holehouse: try to interrupt more. Maybe I can have my wife, you can tell my wife that too.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Only if you tell my wife too.
• 29:59
  Seth Holehouse: It's a deal.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, good stuff. So yeah, I'm going to go on a rabbit trail here just a minute as you wonder about all these things happening. But in real time, you don't realize what's happening. So I'll just give you an example. I've got one of the reports here that I really like to read off of.
• 30:20
  This is a report from October 7. So just so everybody has a concept of what happens, is every doctor who sees a patient in the hospital has to dictate a report. And so their protocol is they dictate the reports at the end of the day. And so during Grace's seven days in the hospital, there were 22 doctors who visited Grace, hence there were 22 doctors reports. And this report is from October 7, Grace's first full day.
• 30:49
  This is from the COVID expert that covered that wing of the hospital. So he was guru that they relied on. And he wrote in his report, the first day, so as you mentioned about that we were awake to the frontline doctors protocol, the vaccination blood, he wrote two comments about the fact that Grace wasn't vaccinated. I'm gonna read one of them right now. One of them says, Unfortunately, I think the patient probably would not be here if she had been fully vaccinated.
• 31:22
  So he had made two comments about vaccinations. He made two comments about frontline doctors. So this is one, I'll read it to They followed, they, the family, followed the frontline doctors' misinformation campaign and placed her on ivermectin and vitamins and all that stuff. So you can obviously see there's a bias. He mentioned the fact that we're Christian two times.
• 31:46
  He mentioned that Grace had Down syndrome four times. This is all in the first day report. So if you would get these printouts at the end of every day and review them, you'd see, Man, there is quite a bias. Would that have been enough to wake me up? I would hope so.
• 32:02
  But I mean, as I put the puzzle pieces together now, there is definitely a bias towards the disabled. We know that. In the 22 doctors' reports that were written on Grace, they mentioned she had Down syndrome thirty six different times. Well, Down syndrome doesn't change the protocol. That would be like saying, if I'm in the hospital, if they mention I have gray hair thirty six different times.
• 32:27
  That doesn't change the protocol. Right? There's no reason to mention it, unless you have a bias. And we found out through the research I did after I concluded that Grace was murdered, which by April, I had enough time in, I figured I personally concluded she was murdered. But after that, it opened up a whole world of, okay, what's the why?
• 32:49
  And as I dug into that, I found out that disabled women were eleven times more likely to die of COVID in a hospital than non disabled women. And we can tie that together after I finish the story as to what is the reason that all of that's happening? Because there is a reason and it fits like a glove with the crime.
• 33:11
  Seth Holehouse: When did things, so, you know, you the nurse came in, you know, the last year, you know, kind of underlying the story. You you're measuring her oxygen. You're saying, okay. She's at 95, and the nurse is saying, oh, well, luck lucky you caught that, that you caught this mistake. But so basically, she knew that there was issues with the leads that were reading her oxygen levels.
• 33:31
  Yet, that was the information that wasn't only being used to make other decisions, but that was the information that was driving the decision to put her onto a ventilator that they know has a four and five chance of killing her. Is that I mean, is is it is it as simple as I understand it?
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yes. And in fact, they have a vested interest in reporting oxygen below what it really is, because if you process, if somebody dies and the family gets the records and they find out their loved one was on a ventilator, the hospital can show through their low oxygen charting that the person needed a ventilator. So they have a vested interest in reporting oxygen numbers that are low, and we caught it multiple times, because now we're wise to it. I mean, we caught it multiple times. And in fact, as I reviewed the hospital bill, they only changed those leads out in the seven days that Grace was there.
• 34:23
  They changed them up three times. So it's very frustrating. On Grace's last day, which my daughter Jessica was in the room then, Grace's oxygen was at 93%, and the hospital was reporting it on two different sources in the 40s and 60s. It's a complete lie. I mean, it's hard to grasp what I'm telling you, but I mean, it's true, we have the records.
• 34:52
  It's so egregious that you can't make this up. So that was the night, that was the highlight on the ninth. The tenth was a Sunday. So October 10 at 07:00 in the morning, the head nurse came in with an armed guard and told me, You need to leave immediately. And I said, Well, what is that based on?
• 35:12
  And she said, the last three shifts of nurses don't want you in the room. I mean, so you have a perspective, because I was challenging, and the feeding situation was probably what put them over the top, because they wouldn't feed her. And I said, We gotta feed her. Well, we can't because her oxygen drops when you take the BiPAP mask off. And I said, That's not true.
• 35:37
  I said, You guys come in and they swab the BiPAP mask, dry it dries out greases mouth. So they were coming in, they did a great job of coming in, cleaning their mouth, swabbing it, making sure it's moist. So they were doing a great job with that. And I said, I've watched the other nurses come in and do this. And what they do is they remove the BiPAP, they put her on the high flow cannula, but they turn it down to low pressure so it's not bugging her.
• 36:04
  And I said, That's all we need to do to feed her. The BiPAP, if you process a BiPAP, I mean, you'd have to physically remove it, food, put it back on, but you didn't need to do that. I said, All you have to do is follow the same process they're doing when they swab her mouth. And they refused to do it. That was so frustrating.
• 36:24
  And ultimately, I said, what I don't I was saying this to the nurses, you guys think that the doctor is in charge of my daughter, I'm in charge of my daughter. And I expect you guys to do what you're supposed to do, and she needs to be fed.
• 36:40
  Seth Holehouse: And I have a quick question for you. So even though she's 19, are you still her legal guardian? I mean, are you the person that has complete medical authority over her?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Yep. Those are two different questions. Okay. Great question, though. So my wife was the medical power of attorney, and my wife was not in the hospital because she had COVID.
• 37:02
  So I was the designated person to be in the hospital with Grace, but my wife had the power of attorney. Grace, as I said at the beginning, was very high functioning. So when Grace turned 18, and anybody who has an 18 year old who's disabled, at that time, they're a legal adult. And so now you have a decision to make. Are you going to request guardianship, or are you gonna let them be an adult?
• 37:26
  And in Wisconsin, they have a concept called supported decision making, and we chose that route with Grace. So then she would have the freedom without having the reins of us being guardians. So Grace was under supported decision making, which means she wanted our help with her decisions, but yes, she didn't have the shackles of guardianship. But we still had the medical power of attorney, which I had given to the hospital on October 8. So they're fully aware of what was going on.
• 37:56
  There was no question that they knew what the deal was. Thankfully, they asked for that. So that would be a question when we pursue the legal route, which we're in that now, but that would be a question that was not disclosed and they did not know what's going on, but they were fully aware, thankfully.
• 38:16
  Seth Holehouse: And so then I'm guessing that you can't resist an armed guard taking you out. So did they escort you out and what happened next?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: So the other two reasons she gave me for taking me out was that she said, you're shutting off the alarms at night. And, you know, that's ridiculous. And I told her that. I said that I had the nurses train me how to shut off the nonessential alarms, because they're going off constantly, and it often takes them twenty to thirty minutes to come in. So they train me how to shut them off.
• 38:52
  So to say that that's a reason you're kicking me out is foolishness. It doesn't make any sense. I found out from Remember, I went into a different hospital and they asked me, What would you like to have happen? And I said, I want all the alarms to ring at the nurses' station versus the room, because I need to get sleep. And they respected that request.
• 39:11
  In the hospital, Grace died, and I asked for the same thing. They refused. They said, We can't do that, which was a direct lie. Then the third reason that she said I needed to leave was because she said, We suspect you have COVID. I mean, it's so laughable because they're the ones who told me I was going to get COVID.
• 39:28
  So I said, Of course I have COVID. I mean, I tested myself. I had COVID at 01:00 in the afternoon on the seventh. I already had a fever, but it is what it is. But to tell me you're kicking me out because of COVID, that doesn't make any sense.
• 39:42
  I'm in a COVID room with somebody who has COVID. So unless God is, for some reason, choosing to protect me, I'm going to get COVID. It just is what it is. So the armed guard heard all this. I called an attorney friend at that point, because now we're an hour into this debate with her.
• 40:03
  And she said, I'm going to call the Appleton Police Department if you don't leave now. And so I called the attorney and he suggested just leaving peacefully. And so I did, the armed guard walked me out to my truck. He had witnessed the entire thing, the entire exchange, and said, Scott, you need to take this to a higher level. He saw what was happening.
• 40:25
  He knew what was wrong, but And this is a common theme. A question that comes up when you think about this is why are these hospital people all participating in this? They know what's wrong. So even the armed guard, why didn't he just say to the nurse, Hey, just let him stay with his daughter, this is wrong. I mean, they follow it's like they're so rule oriented and it's how they operate.
• 40:55
  Seth Holehouse: It's the Milgram
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: It is. I was just gonna say that the Milgram Obedience Experiment, we have that link on Grace's site, because it is literally what is happening. And it's on steroids today.
• 41:08
  Seth Holehouse: And I'll share that with the folks that are watching it, haven't heard that. This was an experiment done by a psychologist decades ago, where he took people into a room, and it was basically to see whether people would obey the authority, even to the point of killing somebody. And so they had a person, I think it was answering questions, and they had to increase the level of electric shock if that person, I think, answered incorrectly. And the person was an actor, but the the test subject wasn't. They're the one sitting in and doing the experiment.
• 41:41
  And they it was designed to make the person get everything wrong up to a point where they would have to literally have actually, here's a picture I'll pull up of this. They would have had to this is this right here. This is the guy that was being one of the experiments. And so they would have had to basically administer isn't her picture? Very sorry about that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: That's creepy.
• 42:08
  Seth Holehouse: It's a fun picture. So basically, with with the Mogrom experiment, they would have had to shock this person at a lethal dose. But there was a doctor, there's a person in a lab coat that was telling them that they needed to do it. And so the question was what percentage of people would give someone a lethal dose of electricity because a doctor told them to? And I think it was upwards of, you probably know better than me, but maybe upwards of seventy percent of the people would have actually killed somebody because someone in a white coat told them to.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: It was two thirds of the subjects did a lethal dose of electricity. I mean, shocking. So Stanley Milgram did that experiment in 1963, '50 '9 years ago, when the moral fabric of our country was, I would say, almost infinitely better than today. So think about today what's going on. And on top of, that was just a lab coat telling them.
• 43:05
  Now on top of that, we've got a financial incentive to do it. And on top of that, we have Hannah Arendt's banality of evil summary that she put together after the Adolf Eichmann trial, and the banality of evil, after we get through Grace's story, I think it's really important for people to understand, because you can't wrap your head around, how could this happen? But when you look at the Milgram obedience experiment in light of the banality of evil, then you can see, okay, yeah, this is real stuff. And that helped me to frame Grace's case, so then I could understand what is actually going on and tell it objectively.
• 43:53
  Seth Holehouse: And so what was the next communication? So you left the hospital and did you get a phone call at some point or how did the next say twenty four hours transpire?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Thankfully, Grace's special needs attorney was available on a Sunday. Her and I talked through the strategy. My wife had COVID, so she couldn't be the replacement advocate. And so I talked with my daughter, Jessica. She said, Yeah, I'll be glad to do it, dad.
• 44:22
  So she had everything packed up and I said, Just be ready. So right away, 08:00 on Monday morning, I started calling patient relations. I called three different times, nobody's calling back. This is urgent, right? I don't perceive it as an emergency, but it's urgent.
• 44:41
  My daughter is in the room alone, and she really can't be alone. I had you know, it's you know, as I look at that time, you know, it's a frustrating time to think that she was alone in that room. Anyway
• 44:59
  Seth Holehouse: Actually, what was that like for you? Because you obviously had become her protector. You know? Because if she has the mind of a, say, 11, 12 year old, I mean, that's you would never let someone like that really, you know, be on their own. You you protect them.
• 45:13
  So what was that like for you knowing that she's in this strange, scary hospital, and you're not even allowed to go see her and protect her?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I was in The mindset I had at that time was not thinking about it. What happened was, is after Grace died, it took me about three months to get through that particular event. I would wake up every night in the middle of the night and think, why did I leave her? Why didn't I just take her with me? You just replay it over and over and over.
• 45:47
  But at the time, my sole goal was to get Jessica in as an advocate. So I was just working on that. And plus I was pretty sick. I had COVID already now for four days and I had a high fever. So that was my mindset at the time.
• 46:07
  Now, ultimately, the manager of patient relations got ahold of me, and I told her what we want to do, what happened, and she asked for the attorney's contact information. So Grace's special needs attorney negotiated with the hospital attorney. We were able to get my daughter, Jessica, in. So we had no advocate in the room for a total of forty four hours. During that forty four hours, it's very significant because this is how they set up Graves' death, and it's called chemical restraint.
• 46:45
  So they used I get that term from a medical malpractice nurse who reviewed the record. She said, This is how they set up Grace's death. They chemically restrained her. And how they did that is starting on October 9, they used a drug called Precedex. And Precedex is a sedation med.
• 47:02
  And so what is the reason? So the purpose of Precedex in a COVID setting is to set the table for a ventilator. The patient has to be sedated in order to have a ventilator put in. So that's why they do it. On top of that, what happens is the room gets classified as ICU.
• 47:26
  And in Grace's case, I found this out from the medical records, and I was there. So even though the room got classified as ICU, so the hospital made more money, the care never changed and Grace never changed rooms. And then third, and most important, is once a patient is sedated, if you want to remove the patient, it's considered AMA, against medical advice. And so you can't just walk them out. You can't just say, I've had enough, we're leaving.
• 47:54
  You have to sign off. You essentially sign off on their care and the bill, which, big deal. If I would've known what they're gonna do, that would've been no problem. So anyway, during this time that Grace didn't have advocacy, they increased the dose of Prezodex seven different times. Instead of taking care of her, they sedated her.
• 48:23
  And drug, each drug has what's called a package insert, which the package insert are the rules they're supposed to follow. The package insert for Prasadex says very specifically that if you use this drug for more than twenty four hours, it causes acute respiratory failure. And this is one of the things that was true on Grace's death certificate. There's two causes of death listed. One is acute respiratory failure.
• 48:48
  Well, the hospital directly caused that cause of death by using Precedex for more than twenty four hours. They received a $7,500 bonus for listing that as a cause of death. The second cause of death listed was COVID-nineteen pneumonia. Well, nothing could be further from the truth. They received a $13,000 bonus for listing that as a cause of death.
• 49:11
  So as we now will go into Grace's last day, so my daughter Jessica is there. Her last day on this earth was October 13, and I'm going to ramble through this last day. There's a lot of details, but it will really So, so far, I've really just set the stage. You'd say, well, would label their care at a D minus, It wasn't an F, because they'd come in if I buzz them, but so it was a D minus. I don't realize they're setting up her death.
• 49:39
  I have no idea that the precedent is going on, because there was no informed consent. They don't tell us any of this. There's no reason to sedate Grace because she wasn't an anxious kid. She just was a calm kid. There's absolutely no reason for it.
• 49:53
  So on October 12, the evening of October 12, my daughter Jessica was monitoring Grace's oxygen all night long. It was 98%, ninety nine %. Even though Grace was sedated, she was still herself. Jessica just thought Grace was sleepy, which it made You're in the hospital, the alarms are going off, it makes sense, but she wasn't sleepy, she was sedated. But even though Grace's personality still came out, and what happened was that evening, Jessica called her two boys, Grace's nephews, Grace sits up in the bed with the BiPAP mask on and waves to them and says, Hi, boys, through the BiPAP mask.
• 50:35
  She was just still her jocular self. So we really didn't think anything of it. We just thought, well, I mean, this is just the process of her getting well. So now the doctor called Cindy and I at home that evening on October 12, and the purpose of the call was for the fifth time to ask us for a pre authorization for a ventilator. And he said he would follow-up tomorrow morning.
• 50:59
  So now, 08:00 in the morning on the October 13, Grace's last day on earth, he called us and said, I wanted to have your decision on the ventilator. And we said no for the fifth time. And he immediately switched gears. So everything I'm going to tell you is right out of the records, less one thing, which as I'm gonna tell you right now, my speculation is that we signed Grace's death certificate that day by saying no to the ventilator. So if we would've said yes to the ventilator, Grace would not have died on the thirteenth.
• 51:34
  She would've just died two to three weeks later. But because the hospital, statistically, they had no ICU beds available, I found this out all after the fact, and the emergency room was full. As my wife said, Grace was worth more dead than alive. And so I believe it finally dawned on them, this family is not going to be convinced to put their daughter in a ventilator, so we have to figure out a different way to take her out. That's my hypothesis.
• 52:03
  You're going to hear the facts and you can determine if you think my theory is accurate or not. So we're on the phone with him. He asked for the decision, the ventilator, we say no. Then he switches gears. It's almost like it was rehearsed.
• 52:19
  This is a hospitalist again. And he said, Well, Grace had such a good day yesterday, we should work on nutrition. And we already knew that she had a good day. Because Jessica told us, and we should get her sitting in a chair today, all positive stuff, okay? So agree.
• 52:37
  So he recommends a feeding tube, which we agree to, and you'll see how this fits into the plan here in a minute. And so, of course, Grace is malnourished at this point, because as I told you, they did very little feeding and wouldn't let us feed her. And so she needed food. So it fit. We just thought, well, this makes sense.
• 52:59
  And then he switches one more time, and he says something very specifically. And he said, Well, if things really turned south with Grace, or really turned bad with Grace, would you guys want to resuscitate her? Well, course, we said, Well, of course we'd want to resuscitate her. What are you talking about? Well, what if we had to resuscitate her multiple times?
• 53:24
  Would you want to keep resuscitating her over and over and over? And we said, No, I mean, you wouldn't do that to somebody. I mean, that wouldn't make sense. So now you'll see how that fits. So now we get off the phone with him.
• 53:38
  About the same time we're off the phone with him, my daughter Jessica said to the nurse in charge of Grace's case, and she was in charge of Grace on the twelfth and the thirteenth. This nurse had fourteen years of ICU experience on top of her regular nursing experience. She's not a rookie. Jessica said to her, I'm going to take a shower. And she said to Jess, You cannot take a shower in the room.
• 54:01
  You'll remember I couldn't leave the room. So I had to take a shower in the room. Well, of course, right? There's a shower right there. And so Jessica said, What's the reason?
• 54:10
  Does it make sense? And Jessica said, Well, you let my dad take a shower in the room. And she said, I don't care what we did for your dad. You need to go home and take a shower. And on top of that, so when I was in the room, they didn't make me wear PPE.
• 54:27
  They did the first couple of hours when the doctor came in, I said, This is foolishness. How am I gonna eat? How am I gonna sleep? And who am I protecting? You guys are coming in here with space suits.
• 54:36
  So, I mean, I know I'm gonna get COVID. So he said, Yeah, you don't have to wear this stuff. Well, they made Jessica wear the PPE. So the nurse uses that as an excuse. Well, in the shower, you can't wear your PPE.
• 54:47
  So it's like, Oh my gosh. So Jessica says to Grace, Hey, Grace, is it okay if I go home and take a shower? I'll be back in an hour. Grace nods her head. Grace was prone to at this point laying on her stomach.
• 54:59
  So she nods her head. Yeah, that's okay. And so Jessica's back inside of an hour. When she gets back, she overhears the two doctors, the hospitalist and another doctor, along with the fourteen year ICU nurse, say, The family's not going to like this. And so she says, What isn't the family going to like?
• 55:18
  They said, We had to restrain Grace while you were gone. And what that means is they strapped Grace down to the bed while Jessica was gone. So she said, Well, why did you do that? So, well, she wanted to get out of the bed to go to the bathroom. So remember the doctor just an hour earlier said, We wanna get Grace out of bed today and sit in a chair, right?
• 55:40
  But now Grace wants to get out of bed, and instead of helping her out, they strapped her down to the bed. Now they use that as an excuse to increase the dose of Precedex up to fourteen times the dose they started her on four days earlier. At 10:48 in the morning, she's at fourteen times the dose. At 10:56, eight minutes later, the doctor put an illegal do not resuscitate order on Grace. We found that out after the fact.
• 56:10
  The medical malpractice nurse who reviewed the records, I had 300 pages of records, I thought I had everything. She said, Scott, you're missing at least 1,000 pages. So she helped write another request, we got another nine forty eight pages, she was spot on. And that's when I found, what happened here? That's where I found where the doctor put the illegal DNR order on Grace eight minutes after the precedence.
• 56:34
  One of the attorneys who reviewed that particular detail made a couple of observations. Number one is he said, You know what, I suspect they thought the Precedex would take Grace out, so they had to have the DNR order in place. And he said, I suspect they thought that because way back on October 7, they put Grace on Precedex for a very short period of time when we were dealing with that high flow cannula switch to the BiPAP. So they put her on it for a very short period of time. Grace had a reaction to a dose that was substantially less.
• 57:08
  They had to give her a reversal drug for that dose. So now they've got this at fourteen times dose. And so now we go to the feeding tube. They put the feeding tube in at 11:37. At 11:25, they gave her lorazepam, which is an anti anxiety med.
• 57:24
  Now she's already sedated at near max dose. There's no reason for lorazepam. Now they insert the feeding tube at 11:37. They do an x They don't start feeding Grace till 01:59 in the afternoon, over two hours later. Grace is, at this point, literally knocked out from what they did with the Prasadixlurazepam, but she's still alive.
• 57:48
  She's actually doing fine with oxygen. But I mean, they did enough to her that she's knocked out. Well, at 05:46, they gave her another dose of lorazepam, at 05:49, another dose, and at 06:15, they gave her morphine as an IV push. So in twenty nine minutes, these are called end of life meds that they use with somebody in hospice. So in twenty nine minutes, she had Precedex, lorazepam, and morphine.
• 58:13
  Those meds are contraindicated according to the morphine package insert. You're not supposed to do this, but literally is the second cause of death. And so when I concluded Grace was murdered, it wasn't that med combination at first. I thought, well, this could be malpractice. But as I dug into it, I found out, of course the doctor had to order those meds.
• 58:36
  But then why I concluded it was intentional is that in order for that combination to be used, the package insert warning, the pharmacist for the hospital had to sign off on that order. Then the alarm had to be overwritten because those meds are contraindicated. Then the fourteen year ICU nurse had to deliver those meds. So that sequence of events got me to the point where, okay, this is murder. So then now it's 06:15.
• 59:08
  Jessica starts feeling Grace get cold, so she's asking for help. Grace is getting cold because of the med combination. The fourteen year ICU nurse said, No, that's normal, just cover her with a blanket. Jessica keeps asking. Nobody would come in the room.
• 59:24
  The morphine package insert says they're supposed to keep the reversal drug bedside and monitor the patient. None of that happened. At 07:20, Jessica called Cindy and I panicking and said, Dad, Grace's numbers are dropping like crazy. And I said, Get the nurses in. She said, They won't come in.
• 59:41
  We're on a FaceTime call with her. So Cindy and I started screaming, Save our daughter. They hollered back from outside the room. Jessica estimated 30 nurses out there at this point because of shift change. They holler back, She's DNR.
• 59:55
  This is how we learned she's DNR. Remember I told you about that 1056, the order, but we had no idea. And so we screamed back, She's not DNR, save our daughter. And they refused. We watched her die on a FaceTime call at 07:27.
• 1:00:11
  And just two other points I wanna make, Seth, before we dive into questions and why did all this happen? But the two other points are, as things shook out later on that night, and we talked with Jessica, she said, Dad, there was an armed guard posted outside the room. And so it wasn't an armed guard that was just a passerby, because what happened is after Grace died, and I was taking Cindy to the hospital, I had to stay in the truck because I had COVID, but I'm driving her to the hospital. We live about twenty minutes away. Jessica crawled in bed with Grace and laid with her until Cindy got there.
• 1:00:49
  And that armed guard stood outside the nurse's window and watched her the whole time. And so what's the reason? Well, we learned through this medical malpractice nurse that because Grace still had the BiPAP mask on, Grace could have still been revived. I mean, that is so sick. And then the last point I want to make on Grace's last day is after Cindy and Jessica cleaned Grace up and the coroner got there, and our pastor was walking Cindy out in a wheelchair, one of the nurses had Grace's belongings on a cart, and she was walking next to Cindy with the belongings, and she leaned down and said, Mrs.
• 1:01:28
  Scherer, me and several of the nurses don't think Grace should have died today. And thankfully for that nurse, that clued us in that something's going on. And that was the start. That really became the start of the investigation.
• 1:01:50
  Seth Holehouse: It's hard to comprehend, actually. Like, you know, hearing this, I mean, it sounds like something from a movie where, you know, the the the plot would have been how the doctors are plotting to to to kill people. I mean, it's it's almost it's it's in it's incomprehendable that the medical professionals are doing this. And I can't imagine what that would be like as her father and her protector, yet you're on the other side of a FaceTime screen or FaceTime screen unable to do anything. I mean, how did how did your wife handle this at that time?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're just you were both in complete shock. I mean, you can't even believe it. What just happened? I mean, we're in you know, we're I mean, it's still raw. I mean, this was a year ago now, but it is literally still raw.
• 1:02:51
  I mean, because you can't believe it. There's some glimmers of hope, and it's because we're helping other people. But I'll share a story just so you get a perspective, because a lot of people think that, well, this can't happen, and this is just an exception. But As I've said a couple of times, several people have reached out to us, literally hundreds of them. One of them lost her Down syndrome girl in Connecticut, and the mom sent me the records and she had done some research on her own.
• 1:03:23
  And so her daughter, they did the whole thing. She was in the hospital for the full three weeks. They did remdesivir, ventilator. So I estimated they made 750,000 on her daughter, but what they did, so Grace was taken out with end of life meds, or not, yeah, so like in hospice care, those are called end of life meds. This daughter was taken out with death row meds, and it's very egregious.
• 1:03:48
  So they used fentanyl, midazolam, and braconium bromide on this Down syndrome girl. So you think, Well, what's going on with that? Well, it's more egregious than what you even think. She sent me some information, I dug into it. On April sixth of twenty twenty, you can't make this up, a group of doctors wrote to all the state prison systems that end inmates' life by lethal injection.
• 1:04:21
  So they sent a letter requesting midazolam, fentanyl, and braconian bromide. This is what you use as a lethal injection combination. So they sent this letter out to all the state prison systems that do this, and saying, We need these drugs for treating COVID patients. I mean, it's sick. The news got ahold of that and they reported it on April fourteenth of twenty twenty.
• 1:04:47
  I've got that information if you want it, but it's interesting to me to see that. And her story is not the only one that that happened. What are they requesting lethal injection meds for? So in her daughter's case, on December seventh of twenty twenty one, they gave her all three of those meds to kill her, and she died the next day, of course, because that's the goal. And she was at the prescribed amount of time that she should be on the ventilator to max out the bonus to the hospital.
• 1:05:19
  So, I mean, they had to take her out. Well, the money trail with it is so egregious that after they give her those meds, they decide to give her one more feeding, which was another $2 added to the bill. This family did the same thing as us. They tried to resist the things that they were told, they tried to resist, but the hospital just overrides. In their case, the hospital also put an illegal DNR order on her daughter.
• 1:05:50
  This took me all the way back to Grace's first day. The COVID expert who I read from his report had wanted me to give Grace or approve a drug called tocilizumab. So I asked him to spell it, I researched it, I got the doctor involved that we work with, and we both concluded this drug is no good. There's so many side effects, and the placebo group did better than the drug group. And so when he asked me my decision, I said, We're not going to do it.
• 1:06:21
  He said, Why? And I said, Well, because the New England Journal of Medicine, amongst many that we found, I said, Here's the report. It shows that the placebo group did better. He got mad at me. Well, as I found out through this girl's records, the mom sent me the records and it showed, because the dad in this case said he didn't want toxalizumab, but the hospitalist convinced him to do it.
• 1:06:43
  One dose of toxalizumab is $22. So you can see, what is the reason they're pushing this stuff? It's all financial. None of it makes any sense, but you've got the perfect situation to pull this off. You've got the shroud of secrecy because hardly anybody is in the room with their loved ones.
• 1:07:07
  Our case is very unique because we were in the room other than forty four hours, but almost nobody's in the room. So you have a shroud of secrecy, you've got government incentivized bonus payments to follow protocols that kill, And then you have the PREP Act, which gives immunity from liability as long as you follow the protocols. It's insanity.
• 1:07:27
  Seth Holehouse: It's like the perfect crime. So why gosh. There's just there's so many whys in this. I'm sure that you've asked a lot of them and then researched them. So I wanna see, you know, where your conclusions have come to.
• 1:07:41
  It makes sense, okay, that as you're saying that if if if someone can die via this process, that the hospital can get upwards of $700,000. Right? It's almost, I mean, it's the same thing as look at organ harvesting in communist China. You know, they can make, you know, a couple hundred grand really easily murdering somebody in a hospital and selling off their organs. Like, to me, this is really not that different.
• 1:08:06
  It's not that different than human trafficking or the illegal organ trade. It's really it's, you know, basically commoditizing the human body and making money off of it. So do you think that the doctors or the nurses that understood what was happening because it seemed like there's some nurses that understood, and they didn't wanna go along with it, and there's the ones that they talked to you when they saw the belongings. But do you think that the people that are actually doing this that are administrating it, are they aware that they are basically murdering somebody, yet they're going to get some paycheck and that they're okay with it? What's going on in their in their heads?
• 1:08:45
  What's like the psychology behind this? It's so hard to to fathom for me.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is I'm going to give you a very long answer, because this is the one I've thought about more than any other situation, and especially in light of the newest things that we've both heard about amnesty. So amnesty may have applied in the first month. It certainly does not apply now. In fact, it's foolishness to even consider amnesty. You can't have amnesty when situation like this has been going on for thirty four months already.
• 1:09:20
  That doesn't make any sense. So, you know, do they know? So I'm going to come back to that because I want to frame it with the banality of evil, and then I want to frame it with some financial implications. So banality means commonplace. So evil is so common that we don't recognize it.
• 1:09:42
  This is what when Hannah Arendt was trying to wrap her head around World War II and what happened with the Holocaust, she said there was a banality of evil. And that same thing exists in The United States today. In fact, I think that we're at the beginning of a worldwide Holocaust, and we're just at the beginning. Things are going to get substantially worse. And as it applies to the hospital setting, because that's the lane we're in, the hospital lane.
• 1:10:13
  I've got lots of opinions about other things, but in the hospital lane, which is where I've become an expert in that lane, the banality of evil applies in a number of things, but I'm gonna apply it to two population groups. I'm gonna apply it to the disabled and the elderly. So the number one and number two population groups who were murdered in hospitals with COVID are number one was elderly, number two, disabled. I'd already said the disabled females have an 11 times more likely death in a hospital with COVID than the non disabled. Well, Grace had Down syndrome.
• 1:10:56
  There's no reason that she would have statistically a higher reason of death whatsoever. But there is a reason for it. So in the banality of evil, and again, I'm going to go to the financial piece, but in the banality of evil, if we look at Down syndrome, just very specifically, in The United States, Sixty Seven Percent of Down syndrome children are murdered before they're born. When Grace was born, I was in the room. When she came out, I said to my wife, I think she has Down syndrome.
• 1:11:30
  And she just had that look. So it was wonderful. But the doctors came in two hours later and said, We suspect your daughter has Down syndrome. Do you want to keep her? So process that.
• 1:11:44
  What is the attitude?
• 1:11:45
  Seth Holehouse: After she's born, what does that mean? Do you want to keep her?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Well, meant do you want to put her up for adoption? Today, nineteen years later, of course, people would say, Well, are you talking about aborting her after she's born?
• 1:11:57
  Seth Holehouse: Now it's fourth term abortion or whatever they want to call it.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:12:02
  Seth Holehouse: Okay.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: That's where we're at in society. But nineteen years ago, we weren't there yet. So they just thought we would want to adopt it. Who would ever want a Down syndrome child? I'd prefer a Down syndrome child having had one.
• 1:12:16
  I mean, they're a gift from God. Anyway, so now apply that to what these young people in the hospital have experienced. So if they get pregnant, their pediatrician congratulates them, or their family doctor congratulates them and says, Let's schedule your amniocentesis. And so they unknowingly subscribe to that. They're following the lab coat, and so they get the amniocentesis.
• 1:12:47
  And if it comes back with a disability, and we're just going to pick on Down syndrome here, because Grace had Down syndrome, and he says, Well, we suspect your son or daughter would have Down syndrome. We recommend an abortion. And so, they just again, this is the banality of evil. It's so common that this becomes the standard of care. So, this is the standard of care in The United States, is to murder Down syndrome children.
• 1:13:13
  Some countries have eliminated Down syndrome.
• 1:13:15
  Seth Holehouse: And so basically, and this is because I love diving into the psychology of this, the idea of the banality of evil is just it becomes it becomes so prevalent in society that you no longer think of it as evil. Right?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: And you can almost
• 1:13:29
  Seth Holehouse: say that there there would be a similar, you know, kind of way of looking at, say, the banality of immorality, where, say, in Sodom and Gomorrah, immorality was so common that you would see people, you know, you know, raping people in the streets or have, you know, whatever it looked like. But it was because it was so common, it became, you know, it's it's like osmosis. You know, you assimilate it, and it's normal again. And so basically that you're seeing that this is that's one of the signs of this is that evil has become so common that people no longer recognize it's evil.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Bingo. When you see it
• 1:14:07
  Seth Holehouse: Dangerous place for humanity to be.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think we're there. I mean, it's the boiling frog phenomena. You don't realize you're there until you're boiled to death. And as it applies to the elderly, I mean, right now, I'm in the last generation who would take care of their parents. And so what happens now is mom misses the mail one day and the kids want to send her off to a dementia center.
• 1:14:33
  And so now those people get into the hospital and it's the same thing. And then the hospital staff have been trained to allocate care under Obamacare. We're supposed to limit our resources. Everybody has a score. The disabled and the elderly are on the low end.
• 1:14:52
  It's scary stuff, but that's where we are at. So now the financial piece of that, statistically, the elderly are on Medicare, the disabled are on Medicaid. Medicare and Medicaid account for 39% of the federal budget, which is $2,200,000,000,000 a year of the 5,600,000,000,000.0 federal budget. So there's a financial incentive to take these people out, because if you can pay a hospital a bonus of $100, which the average bonus for COVID is $100 paid to the hospital, if you can pay them $100 and the average payment to somebody on Medicare and Medicaid is 32,000 a year. So it has a three year payback by paying to take them out.
• 1:15:42
  So, I mean, I've connected those dots and it is real folks. I mean, if you don't think that is happening, it literally is happening and it's happening yet today. So now as this applies to what is going on in the heads and the hearts of these doctors and nurses. Well, the banality of evil The first month of COVID, they were watching people die. Everybody's in a panic.
• 1:16:18
  We don't know what's going on. So I can give people a free pass for the first month. But equate it to Seth, you and I are in the hospital. I mean, we're medical professionals. So now you've been giving remdesivir and a ventilator.
• 1:16:33
  So remdesivir, three doses and more, has a seventy five percent kill rate. The dose protocol is five doses. A ventilator has a ninety percent kill rate. So you and I are the medical professionals and we're watching virtually those statistics. So we're seeing ninety percent of people die and we're following protocols, the same protocol over and over, and the people keep dying.
• 1:16:56
  How many people would have to die for you to get on your laptop when you got home from work that night and start digging up COVID protocols from around the world? And you'd start seeing, what are other doctors recommending, right? That's what you would do. Just your own curiosity, you couldn't just keep doing that. But this is why when you look at the banality of evil, you look at the Milgram Obedience Experiment, you start seeing this and you think, Okay, these people are zombies.
• 1:17:28
  They are literally zombies. And I'll put in a third banality of evil tentacle to this conversation, which is the public fool system. Critical thinking has been trained out of the public school. And so these people are so used to following rules, and I'll just give you a simple example. It seems innocent, but it's not innocent.
• 1:17:52
  When I went to school, if we did not turn an assignment in on time, you got dinged. If you didn't write your name on the paper, you got dinged. The teacher wrote the assignments one time on the board, and you're expected to transcribe them. There were no reminders. Right now, the teacher's constantly reminding, If you don't get an assignment in a time, there's no penalty.
• 1:18:17
  You can't fail. All this stuff is happening. So then when they're just told, they're so used to following orders versus thinking on their own, that you can see how this is happening, but it still does not Similar to the Nuremberg trials, if there's Nuremberg Two, the doctors who did this, they concluded that following orders does not give you a free pass. And so it is as one plus one equals two, when you see many months in a row that patients are dying, you cannot keep using that protocol. It does not give them a free pass anymore.
• 1:19:01
  Their amnesty does not apply to this at all. Nobody is that dumb. I mean, these people are supposedly the smartest people on the planet. They're in the medical profession. They are not that dumb.
• 1:19:14
  I don't think that most of them are consciously murdering. I don't see it that way. I think there's some of them that are doing that. Some of them have really bought into that we need to do, have the sustainability agenda that the World Economic Forum is promoting. I think some of them have bought into that, but I don't think that's the majority.
• 1:19:37
  I think the majority are simply worried more about their paycheck than human life. They don't realize that they could have a disabled child someday. They're gonna get elderly someday. They just haven't connected the dots because the critical thinking just is not there. In Grace's specific case, why has no doctor or nurse come out yet to support us?
• 1:20:02
  What is the reason? Of course, once there's a suit filed, then there's going to be fingers pointed at the people who did this. Now they're going to be trying to not take the fall themselves.
• 1:20:16
  Seth Holehouse: What do you think we can do to combat this? I mean, and it's not just the hospital systems, but I think that we're going through this process of realizing that so many of the institutions that we thought were there to protect us are actually there to harm us. And that that becomes a much bigger, different discussion to look into the infiltration into the hospital systems or education systems or, you know, our own government. And, I mean, I think that this is where we're at as a, you know, just the stage of history of humanity is we're realizing that almost everything we thought we could trust is not just negligent, but actually nefarious in their intentions towards us. And so, you know, you mentioned before that you think that we're we have a difficult or perhaps a dark period ahead to get through.
• 1:21:09
  Is that part of the process that we have to go through to come out on the other side? Or like, where do we where do we go with this?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish I could answer that with a degree of authority. I mean, I have a personal opinion in which I'll share. So yes, I do believe it's something that we're going to have to go through. What does the other side look like?
• 1:21:31
  That actually scares me more than going through it, because I believe what we are going through is satanic. I don't think you can have people in on something like this at this level without Satan and his minions having taken over. These people are literal zombies doing this. It doesn't make any sense. So what I would say personally, I think that anybody listening to this, you have to look at yourself and you have responsibility for your own family.
• 1:22:07
  So you've got to deprogram yourself. That is by far and away the single most important thing I've learned since Grace's death. Grace died so that I would wake up. And so waking up, I would have considered myself a conservative who had a healthy distrust for the government. Now I would say I'm not involved with politics whatsoever, because that is not a solution to this problem.
• 1:22:34
  I think the government is totally corrupt. They're all in on it. And so we should not be relying on any solution like that. And yes, we are gonna go through substantially tougher times because they're all in on it. These people believe in the sustainability agenda.
• 1:22:50
  So what that means, if you haven't heard of it, I mean, it means that we need to take care of the planet. So we need to control the climate and we need to control the population. So want to get rid of 7,000,000,000 people. They're simply following their beliefs. So, you have a group of people that are literally following what they believe in, no different than you and I following a belief that we believe in.
• 1:23:16
  So to stop this, you'd have to change their beliefs. That's why I don't think that it's stoppable. In fact, if this is satanic, which I believe it is, my personal perspective on this is that Satan will also come in with a solution, and Satan will come in as an angel of light, and masquerading as an angel of light, and provide a security and comfort solution, which we've already shown as a population we fall trapped to. Look at what happened with COVID. So we have COVID, they created the fear propaganda.
• 1:23:59
  So COVID, we have problem, reaction, solution. Problem, COVID, reaction, fear from the propaganda, solution, the jab. Okay, so now we've got on a So that's a small scale, but if Satan is in charge of the Hegelian dialectic on a big scale, we have the problem, which is gonna get substantially worse, because then we'll be clamoring as a society for safety and security. And so then if he comes in as an angel of light and provides safety and security, I mean, it is the ultimate in duping the half of the population who are not zombies. So I think our only security, which it always has been, is in the Lord.
• 1:24:45
  And that's the only security there is. There is no security. You know, it's pretty dark what I'm sharing. I get that. But it's it's what I believe is the truth.
• 1:24:56
  Seth Holehouse: I think that when you can get to that place, as I've gone through this process similarly, that when you get to the place where you realize that the only solution is God and his faith and is our belief, that frees you from everything, actually. Because it's like, if you can take it to a certain degree and realize, okay, well, ultimately, the enemy is just Satan. It's like, well, how do you fight Satan? Well, you fight Satan with God by your side. Right?
• 1:25:26
  And with an armor of God. And so and I think that that has brought me some sense of peace in these turbulent times. So but are the, so are they, you know, now that we're, you know, past the main kind of COVID hysteria, are they still using these same protocols? Or did they stop and it's, is it back to normal? I mean, is the hospital the same threat to walk into it now than it was a year ago?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: It's definitely the same threat. So on September 19, President Biden announced that the pandemic is over. Of course, I knew it wasn't. I knew this was going on. So I looked up what are the statistics literally the day after.
• 1:26:13
  So on September 20, the day after he announced that the week ending September 20, the United States had twenty nine thousand new COVID hospitalizations. So that's a meaningless number, unless you have it in perspective. And so I took six other developed countries, which have a population of about 15,000,000 higher than The United States combined, And those countries had seventeen thousand fewer hospitalizations in the same week. So that gives you a perspective as to The United States is the leader of the pack. And I'm gonna frame that after I answer your question specifically.
• 1:26:51
  So The United States is the leader in hospitalizations as of the day after the president announced the pandemic is over. Three weeks later, which is typically the typical hospital stay, we had ten eighty five murders in the hospital that day in The United States. So it continues at that rate. Roughly one thousand people a day are being murdered. We just So why is that still happening?
• 1:27:18
  Is on October 13, the anniversary of Grace's death, the Biden administration re upped the public health emergency. By law, that law has to be re upped every ninety days. So it started January twenty seventh of twenty twenty under President Trump. Every ninety days, it gets re upped. And so they re upped it on October 13.
• 1:27:38
  So it's still in play. These bonuses to hospitals, the death protocol, still in play. This last weekend, my wife and I, a family locally who learned of us from a friend. And then ultimately, this friend reached out to me because she got my cell phone number. This lady whose brother was now in the hospital, he's 44 years old.
• 1:28:06
  He's got what's called SMA, which stands for spinal muscular atrophy. He's 44 years old. He's disabled, really disabled. He only weighs forty pounds, that's his normal weight. And he's an adult, so I mean, he can't walk, he can't do anything on his own, but he's intelligent and he can speak.
• 1:28:27
  So she got ahold of me and asked me, What should I do? And I told her, I gave her a download in about thirty minutes. No remdesivir, no ventilator, make sure he doesn't get sedated. Somebody needs to advocate for him, not as somebody there for comfort, but challenging everything. And I said, Can you do it?
• 1:28:48
  Can you be the advocate? Are you strong enough? Because you can get professional advocates. I said, I'm willing to help. And she said, No, I can do it.
• 1:28:56
  On Friday evening, about 11:00, I was already in bed, she texted me and asked, Will you come and see my brother? And so I texted her right when I got up Saturday morning. She had said in the text the evening before, he'd already gotten remdesivir. So I said, This is an emergency. And so I talked with her on the phone.
• 1:29:16
  I sent her some information about remdesivir. She shared it with her brother, and her brother asked, Please have him come in. And so I met her at the hospital. It was only about thirty minutes away. And so I got there about 09:00 on Saturday morning, and I wasn't prepared for what I saw, because I've never seen a forty pound man like that that's disabled, so I wasn't prepared for that, but I couldn't believe it.
• 1:29:45
  He had gotten the third dose of remdesivir the night before. It was unbelievable. I knelt down by him, I gave him a hug, I prayed with him, and he said, he looked at me in my eyes, he said, Scott, please don't leave me. And I said, I won't. And fortunately, through this process of Grace dying, Seth, I've met a lot of people.
• 1:30:12
  I've met some people that are really in the know. And so I got ahold of Doctor. Bartlett's sister, who's done medical rescues. I got ahold of Greta from Protocol Kills. I got ahold of Nicole from Truth For Health Foundation.
• 1:30:27
  And all these ladies, you know, they've already done the hospital rescue. So they were educating me on the hospital rescue. Here's the documents you need. So when I got to the hospital, I was prepared. I had the documents.
• 1:30:39
  And so we filled them out with this man, his name is Rob, and the sister who had power of attorney. We went through everything. We had a meeting with the doctor, and we told him we want to stop everything. Unbelievably, they were going to give him the COVIDflu shot that morning in the hospital. We stopped it.
• 1:30:59
  Thank God we stopped all that. And so then I texted Peter McCullough, because I wanted to get the updated protocol. What are we supposed to do? And he said, I'm not available now. Call Paul Merrick.
• 1:31:14
  And I only had Paul Merrick's home number, so I said, Do you have his cell phone number? He texted me back. I texted Paul Merrick. He called the hospital room five minutes later. I put him on speakerphone, so the family could hear.
• 1:31:33
  And so he said, I gotta give him an ivermectin, budesonide. So I called my wife. I said, Bring my ivermectin. I had ivermectin at home. Bring my NAC.
• 1:31:45
  And so she said, Well, how are you going to get it in? I said, For some reason, this hospital, we could just walk in and out. There was complete freedom. So they weren't micromanaging the room. So, I mean, he's getting food through a stomach feeding tube.
• 1:32:03
  That's how they feed him, because he can't chew food, he can't swallow. So we took the pills of ivermectin, took them apart with the NAC, we gave him that. They
• 1:32:13
  Seth Holehouse: had
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: him naked in the bed. They wouldn't even bathe him. So I mean, they thought I was family, so I just acted the role. And I went out and got the stuff so that the mom could bathe him. And we got him up in the wheelchair, and his whole countenance changed.
• 1:32:28
  In about six hours, you could see, Oh man, he's already changed. So then the doctor ordered, believe it or not, so we meet with the doctor, he ordered a budesonide treatment right away. So we got that, but then they weren't coming in with it. He ordered it for 11:45. They wouldn't come in.
• 1:32:46
  So I went out to the nurse's station, What's going on? Well, they scheduled it for 01:00. I said, We need this right away. So now 01:00 comes, they still don't come in. Well, moved it back to 03:00.
• 1:32:57
  And now the lady comes in from respiratory therapy for the 03:00 budesonide treatment. Oh, we're going to move that to seven, she said. I said, We're not moving it to seven. Well, then he'd end up getting two and four hours. Well, so what?
• 1:33:10
  That's what he needs. I mean, it's like, you can't make It's so insane, this setting. So Rob really had his wits about him. He said, Scott, let's not tell him we're leaving yet until I get my second budesonide treatment. And so then we get the second budesonide treatment, then we announced to the hospital we're leaving, And so we asked for the doctor to come in.
• 1:33:33
  The doctor refused to come in and do an evaluation. Instead, he just told the nurses he can't leave. If he leaves, it's AMA. He needs to stay overnight. If he leaves, it's AMA.
• 1:33:45
  And so we physically got him out. It is hard to even grasp. The nurse who helped us, she was really decent. I asked her, I said, I just would like to have the freedom to speak before we leave. She removed his IVs, because we needed to get him disconnected.
• 1:34:09
  The doctor then, wouldn't come in, So we didn't have a prescription for a steroid, no prescription for budesonide. I had bought an oxygen generator for myself, and I had lent it to a doctor friend, so I called her and said, Do you still have that? So I picked that up from her house. My wife went and got our nebulizer so he could do nebulizer treatments with hydrogen peroxide and iodine instead of the budesonide. So we got them all set up at home.
• 1:34:40
  But anyway, this nurse, I know I'm rambling here, so No,
• 1:34:43
  Seth Holehouse: please, no, this is all This
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: nurse, I said, I just want the freedom to just talk with you. I said, You know, she got to know Rob over the three days he was in the hospital. I said, You know this was going to kill him. I don't Can you explain to me what is going on? Why would you do this?
• 1:35:06
  Why wouldn't you stand up? And she said, I'm from The Philippines and I'm here on a visa, and I don't want to rock any boats because I could lose my visa. So, I mean, I felt for her, I get it. I mean, this is the They're putting pressure on these medical professionals to get the jab, to follow these protocols, and they are You'd think that I'm not in their situation, so I would think that I would be strong enough to just say no and quit and go out and speak. But I could feel for her.
• 1:35:48
  I heard her. She's a real tiny Filipino girl, and she just had a genuine heart, and I could just see she knew it was going to kill him, but she just had to follow the protocols they were seeing. So yes, it is still going on, and that's why I'm telling this story. And it's way worse than what I could even tell it. The state sanctioned standard of care in The UK is DNR orders issued by the doctors unilaterally.
• 1:36:20
  That is not the standard of care in The United States, but they're doing it. A man flew into Appleton, Wisconsin A Few Months ago to interview me because he's got a national story he's unleashing January 9 on all these illegal DNRs, and he wanted to meet me face to face and interview me, because this is happening. Tons of stories. G. Edward Griffin, I'm going to be speaking at Red Pill this weekend.
• 1:36:44
  When he interviewed me, he told me about his story when he went into the hospital. They tried to kill him with remdesivir, and on top of that, they put a DNR bracelet on him. This was all against his permission. I've heard a number of cases where, as a condition of entering the hospital, you have to sign your own DNR order or they won't treat you. So, I mean, this is happening.
• 1:37:07
  This is scary stuff. This is the status of where things are at. The United States, I told you I would frame this in a bigger picture. The United States is number one in one category that you never wanna be number one in, and that is the number of deaths in hospitals related to COVID. We have one point one million deaths.
• 1:37:25
  We only have four point three percent of the world's population. The number two country, so you always have to frame it in context, the number two country is India. They have just over five hundred thousand deaths. Their population is four times that of The United States, and their footprint on the planet is only one third of ours. So why?
• 1:37:46
  It makes no sense unless you understand we have a government that is funding these deaths through bonuses for following NIH protocols, which includes the protocols that killed Grace, the protocols with the death row meds, the remdesivir, the ventilators. The remdesivir just about killed Rob. I'm going to see him this afternoon after we're done with this interview, because I just wanted to see him before I left for Redfield. He's a special guy. It changes things when you're involved saving somebody's life.
• 1:38:24
  And I think the coincidences that God arranged, I would have never been involved, Grace's death is not in vain. If Grace would not have died, Rob would have died. That's just true.
• 1:38:42
  Seth Holehouse: Tell us about what your fight is now, and your the organization, everything that you're doing now.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Well, started the organization to do three things at the beginning, and we're focused still on the one that is the primary, which is trying to share the message. As I said earlier, Grace died to wake me up. And so we're trying to share the message to wake people up. That's the biggest piece. Then we've got the legal piece going on, and I really can't talk about that.
• 1:39:17
  We had a couple of hour legal meeting yesterday. I have a phone call with the lead attorney Saturday morning, and lots is happening on that front, but they don't want me to talk about that because they don't want me to disclose legal strategy. And
• 1:39:32
  Seth Holehouse: I wanted to tell people real quickly that your website is OurAmazingGrace.net. Just OurAmazingGrace.What's the best way people can support what you're doing?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: Well, by far and away, I mean, you've got the website up right now. You'll see the spot Grace's Death is one of many. So if you've got your own stories about your loved ones, we'd love to get them on the website. You see on the other half, the genocide done, now I'm doing joint interviews with a Holocaust survivor by the name of Vera Sheeran. So those are pretty neat.
• 1:40:10
  I'd encourage you to watch the whiteboard video. It's just two minutes long. It gives you a really a perspective of where things are at. I want people to go to the website, learn about Grace, of course, but then share the website link, share this podcast. That's what I care about.
• 1:40:29
  I'm not after people to support us financially. They can if they want to, but it's way more important. If every single person who watches this podcast shares it with everybody in their contact list, we would have literally a million people that watch this podcast. That is an opportunity like no other. So that's what I want to have happen.
• 1:40:53
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah, this is something that, as I mentioned before, you know, I've interviewed Doctor. Brian Artis a lot about this, and he's a very good friend. And I get this conviction with him as well, because he's really one of the main people that broke the remdesivir story. And for him, it's just he's on this mission from God. He's like every single person I can get this information in front of, if they can prevent their loved one, their your friend, family, etc, from going through this, it's a life saved.
• 1:41:22
  And and that's really what it is. And it's it's just incredible hearing your perspective of this. And I think, like, this is it's almost like you're telling a story of when you're a fighter pilot, you went down behind enemy lines, and you had to, you know, sneak your friend out of the hospital because the German Nazis were gonna kill them. Right? Like, that that that's just it's how the story comes across.
• 1:41:44
  But then this is America. This is the land of the free. This is the home of the brave. This is where, you know, We The People, this is the the example of freedom in the world right now. And I think, again, I think that that's actually why this is happening here is because there's so much good in America.
• 1:42:03
  There's so much strength and beauty in America that they're trying to destroy us in every way possible. And we have to we have to stand strong up against this.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: I think that's right on, Seth. I think that America has to fall first for for this whole chain of events that happen and bring down the entire world. We're the only country with supposed freedom left. And I say supposed somewhat tongue in cheek, but it's simply because how much I've learned that I've been programmed. They have indoctrinated us with beliefs.
• 1:42:46
  Think about population reduction as an example. So when did that start? You know, so when eighty percent of urine tested has Roundup in it, you know, so what's going on? You know, so they poison the food, The whole big pharma, isn't designed to help us, it's designed to keep customers. Back in 1968, when I went to kindergarten, the weekly reader said that it is irresponsible to have more than two children.
• 1:43:20
  So this propaganda campaign, as I start looking at it, I'm just at the beginning of deprogramming myself, But it is like, Grace would do this stuff. When she saw something bigger, she'd go, and that's the way this is like to me. It's like, wow, what are all these false beliefs that I bought into?
• 1:43:44
  Seth Holehouse: I want to bring up this picture, which I decided, I thought that was just a lovely photo.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: That's a great one. Oh, she was so special. Yeah, that's her in her Girl Scout outfit there. That's at Jessica's wedding. She stood up in Jessica's wedding.
• 1:44:03
  She played violin at Jessica's wedding. She played I Can't Help Falling in Love with You. So think about my little stinker. She's playing violin. That's all.
• 1:44:12
  She was great.
• 1:44:14
  Seth Holehouse: Incredible. Well, thank you again. Thank you so much for coming on. I think thank you more than that just for having the courage and the conviction and the faith to rise above this difficulty that I think would crush a lot of people into submission. And like rising up and fighting and helping to save others.
• 1:44:37
  It's it's inspiring. I think it's it's a good reminder that the heroes are just the everyday people among us that choose to do something. And you're a hero to me, because you've decided to stand up and do something and fight back against something without really any regard for what it means or how you're going to be affected. Because this is I think that this is the time we have an opportunity right now to show and to prove to God, hey, you know, we're worth saving. Our country's worth saving.
• 1:45:08
  We need we need more good people to stand up in the way that you are. And I just I really, I thank you for what you're doing.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Well, God gets the credit, Seth. I mean, he lit a fire in me to do this. And I would say in that regard that for God to step in, we all have to realize that the prerequisite for God to step in is repentance. And I'm not talking about doctors and nurses here. I mean, they need to repent for what they've done, but I'm talking about a general country repentance, where each person, if we don't realize, we let our country go.
• 1:45:46
  So, I mean, I was involved with that, you were involved with it, because none of us did everything that we could have done. I mean, we let our country go. When I look at myself, some of these things I've known for a long time, but why didn't I do anything? You know, I was more comfortable with my life than standing firm. And, you know, that's not happening anymore, but it isn't.
• 1:46:12
  It's gonna take a country to repent in order for God to step in.
• 1:46:18
  Seth Holehouse: I I I agree completely. Well, I just wanna encourage people to to go to your website, ouramazinggrace.net. Right? That's the website, ouramazinggrace.net, And just to share this video and to share this information, especially for people that, you know, are more susceptible to going to the hospital, you know, people that maybe have some health issues or whatever, because, I mean, we have to look at the potential, you know, stepping into a hospital could be a death sentence. And I hate to be that morbid with it.
• 1:46:49
  But that is just that's the reality of where we're at. And we have to really help people understand that.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 1:46:58
  Seth Holehouse: Well, Scott, thank you so much. Have a wonderful day. And I'll probably have have an update at some point, but just, you know, thank you for being out there fighting. It was such a great it was a pleasure to speak with you today.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it was the pleasure was mindset. Thank you very much.
• 1:47:11
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. Take care.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: Alright. You too.
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