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Mommy & Daddy 'find' infant daughter dead, call lawyer before 911! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: How did you find the child? It's an hour and
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Speaker 1: a half. I um old waiting. I called my lawyer
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Speaker 1: turn things to ask you know, what's the next thing?
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Speaker 1: I have to do, and they said wait until the
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Speaker 1: here to call, you know, the belief and get that going. Basically,
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Speaker 1: you've got to play right with the kind of went
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Speaker 1: ahead and beat anyway here? So I would, I would,
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Speaker 1: I would when people comfortable child an hour and a half,
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Speaker 1: yeah and coffee. Yeah, okay, you find your child dead,
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Speaker 1: but you pause before you call on one. You wait
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Speaker 1: ninety full minutes, an hour and a half before you
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Speaker 1: call nine one one. Did you hear the dispatcher asking
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Speaker 1: did you just say you called your lawyer first? Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: This guy Seth Welch and his wife Taussian up few sorry,
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Speaker 1: are under suspicion when they're ten month old baby girl
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Speaker 1: Mary Welch, weighing only eight pounds at ten months old,
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Speaker 1: is found dead. Hey, let's take another. Listen to that
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Speaker 1: nine one one call for the child? Oh nine uh yet?
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Speaker 1: Get that about three pm? You know he goes to
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Speaker 1: bed and you know that was that? Okay, life after
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Speaker 1: day at three cam Yeah, and then this morning at
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Speaker 1: like and something he finally went into say you're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: it's been lay too long, so um, yeah, we got
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Speaker 1: long all the time it was normally so. So you're
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Speaker 1: saying it's normal for your children to play from around
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Speaker 1: three pm m Um, yeah, usually about nine nine from
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Speaker 1: three pm two. I'm a couple of thanks here. Sure, okay,
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Speaker 1: let me just tell everybody that's not normal for a
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Speaker 1: baby at that age to sleep ten straight hours without
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Speaker 1: wanting a bottle, without wanting to be nursed, without wanting anything,
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Speaker 1: not to poop it's pants, and want a fresh dieping
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Speaker 1: nothing joining me right now. In addition to Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: cop turned private eye, who was kicking off a brand
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Speaker 1: new podcast on Apple it Tunes called Fall of a Titan,
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Speaker 1: Vison Hill joining me. Dr Bethany Marshall, l a SECO
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Speaker 1: analyst joining us, asked you Wilcott judge and lawyer, and
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Speaker 1: right now, John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: John Lemley, tell me exactly what happened here, because first
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Speaker 1: of all, I'm not buying anything he's saying on the
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Speaker 1: NIME on one call. Well, the voice we've been hearing
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Speaker 1: Nancy is again that of Seth Welch. He and his wife,
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Speaker 1: Tatiana Husarry had been raising three children and they ran
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Speaker 1: black Acre Farm Products at their home. Uh. They're just
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Speaker 1: about an hour and a half north of Grand Rapids.
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Speaker 1: They had a simple, modest home. H For some time,
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Speaker 1: Seth Seth Welch had been displaying his faith on hand
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Speaker 1: painted sn nds that were nailed to trees on the
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Speaker 1: fence out front. There's one message that still says repent,
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Speaker 1: believe obey Now there's absolutely, of course, nothing wrong with
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Speaker 1: any of that. However, we stopped right there. You know
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Speaker 1: who you sound like, Jerry Seinfeld, Dr Bethany Marshall. That's
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Speaker 1: not Oh no, the man's rowing in money. You got
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Speaker 1: a gorgeous wife half his age, a beautiful family, probably
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Speaker 1: lying in his penthouse flicking channels right now. There's nothing
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Speaker 1: wrong would be And Jerry Seinfeld, plus he's hilarious. Dr Bethany.
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Speaker 1: Remember when on Seinfeld Um they would say something that
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Speaker 1: somebody had done outrageous and they go, not that there's
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Speaker 1: anything wrong with that. That's exactly what literally just did.
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Speaker 1: That's what he did. It's funny that I sound are
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Speaker 1: you Bethanie Marshall. No, you're not Bethany Marshall, you're John Lemley. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. That questions for you? Yes, that was the
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Speaker 1: tone that John Lemley had. I can verify that, but
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Speaker 1: I will say there's something interesting about the sign is
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Speaker 1: because when I read all the reports on this story,
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Speaker 1: the fathers cited religiosity for not getting medical treatment for
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Speaker 1: his children. And apparently that wasn't just for the baby,
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Speaker 1: but it was for the other two children in the
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Speaker 1: home as well. So in this case, religiosity was intertwined
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Speaker 1: with suspicion of the medical system. Also, according to one report,
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Speaker 1: the parents did not like doctors because apparently one doctor
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Speaker 1: child a child abuse report against them. I bet they
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Speaker 1: didn't like doctors after that. First of all, Number one,
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Speaker 1: I have never been accused of being a Bible scholar. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you right now I know nothing, But
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Speaker 1: I do know one thing. You know, what Christ hated
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Speaker 1: the most is a hypocrite. Oh uh in oh um.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that's the only time I
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Speaker 1: know of ever that he got mad. Uh is when
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Speaker 1: that I know of is uh when he came to
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Speaker 1: the temple and people were whouring it out, selling things,
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Speaker 1: you know, like it was you know, concert or right,
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Speaker 1: and he got mad and actually threw over at a
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Speaker 1: time when it was very politically combustible, would kick over
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Speaker 1: all those changing tables and through a big fitch say
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Speaker 1: they were hypocrites. So here with this guy claiming he's
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Speaker 1: a Christian by posting all these signs. Hey, I'm down
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Speaker 1: with the signs. Go right ahead. I'd be mad if
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Speaker 1: you didn't. But to then let your child die. And
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Speaker 1: my second clarification, correct me if I'm wrong, John Limley.
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Speaker 1: But this child did not die of lack of medical
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Speaker 1: attention of some illness such as pneumonia or scarlet fever.
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Speaker 1: This child died of starvation. That is absolutely correct. Nancy. Uh,
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Speaker 1: there was a huge trust. I also don't like the
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Speaker 1: way you just said, Nancy. Oh go ahead, Nancy, go
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Speaker 1: ahead whatever. You're all mad because I called you on
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Speaker 1: the carpet, But that's fine. I didn't expect to be
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Speaker 1: named Miss congeniality, Okay, so just go ahead right. Well,
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Speaker 1: As as we've noted, they did not like the doctors.
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Speaker 1: They had a huge distrust of child protective services. He
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Speaker 1: online would rail on about how he and his wife
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Speaker 1: distrusted all of them. One particular video, A lot of
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Speaker 1: people would refer to these videos as sermons. He says
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Speaker 1: someone had called CPS Child Protective Services about him when
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Speaker 1: he first refused to get his oldest daughter vaccinated, and
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Speaker 1: that he didn't get his other two, including his youngest
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Speaker 1: ten month old Mary, vaccinated. I really want to quote
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Speaker 1: one of his Facebook posts. It's really telling, uh, and
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Speaker 1: I quote it didn't seem smart that you would be
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Speaker 1: saving people who weren't the fittest. And it continues, if
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Speaker 1: evolution believes in survival of the fittest, why are we
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Speaker 1: vaccinating everybody? Shouldn't we just let the week die off
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Speaker 1: and let the strong survive? Okay, you just rund chills
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Speaker 1: down my arms, John Linley um to even say that,
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Speaker 1: and think of how this little baby laid there and
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Speaker 1: starved in her crib and no at all. Jackie Howard
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Speaker 1: here in the studio has corrected my timeline as well,
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Speaker 1: pointing out the baby did not sleep ten hours, but
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Speaker 1: by this guy's own word, she said, I saw you
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Speaker 1: counting on your fingers. By the way, it's not like
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Speaker 1: you did this in your head. Nineteen hours this baby
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Speaker 1: slept and the dad said that's normal. But speaking of
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Speaker 1: the whole anti Vaxter thing, listen to our friend at
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Speaker 1: would TV eight Grand raps Kin Colker and this nut job.
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Speaker 1: He says CPS got called on him when he had
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Speaker 1: first refused to get his oldest daughter vaccinated, and that
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Speaker 1: he did not get the shots for his other two kids,
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Speaker 1: including Mary. It didn't seem smart to me that you
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Speaker 1: would be saving people who weren't the fittest. The evolution
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Speaker 1: believes in the survival of the fittest, Well, then why
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Speaker 1: are we vaccinating everybody? Shouldn't we just let the week
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Speaker 1: die off and let the strong survive. He also spoke
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Speaker 1: against worldly things, and I would love to see a
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Speaker 1: commune of Christian disciples living off the grids somewhere and
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Speaker 1: as and just living free in The couple called one
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Speaker 1: on Thursday after finding their baby unresponsive at their home
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Speaker 1: on al Goma Avenue and soul In Township. An autopsy
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Speaker 1: found the bab eyed of malnutrition and dehydration. Today, the
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Speaker 1: help save missing children. Not all yeah, uh, you know
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Speaker 1: after a half hour after that you go not for that?
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Speaker 1: And how older child? Children or two children? Yeah? And
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Speaker 1: all right now yeah, and when you stopped her, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's why you've been talking a lawyer? Yeah, oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: We are taking your calls nine zero nine nine crime
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Speaker 1: zero nine two seven four six three. You are hearing
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Speaker 1: more of this nut job Seth Welch's nine one call.
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Speaker 1: Let's go straight out to the lines. Joe in Florida. High, Joe,
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Speaker 1: what's your question? Don't you think that that father belongs
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Speaker 1: to the mental institution? He's crazy and the wife belongs
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Speaker 1: with him because she's putting up with it or betting him.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Joe in Florida, Do you,
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Speaker 1: by chance have a law degree? Okay, let me ask
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Speaker 1: you a question. When you say he's crazy, do you
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Speaker 1: mean in the legal sense or do you mean it
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Speaker 1: in the vernacular in the street talk? Oh, you're crazy?
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Speaker 1: Do you mean he's legally insane? I think it could
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Speaker 1: likely be closer to be legally insane in terms, So okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, that's just a yes no Joe in Florida.
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Speaker 1: If he were insane, why would we Why would he
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Speaker 1: call his lawyer first? If he's insane? Good question, Well,
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Speaker 1: then answer it. If you think he's insane and you're
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Speaker 1: throwing that out there, why do you think he called
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Speaker 1: his lawyer first? Well, I think his insanity is sort
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Speaker 1: of selective. Uh, you know, Joe, I appreciate that, but
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Speaker 1: please don't give the defense bar any new theories selective insanity. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I would love to argue that front of a jury
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Speaker 1: that he has selective insanity. Um. He goes on and
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Speaker 1: on with these posters that he has in the yard,
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Speaker 1: he has written along a fence he has out there.
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Speaker 1: He's got a home, he's raising a family. He knows
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Speaker 1: enough to do online videos. He says to the baby
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Speaker 1: was quote dead as a doornail, Dead as a doornail.
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Speaker 1: He's talking about an eight month old baby girl, dead
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Speaker 1: as a doornail. His words, not mine. Joe in Florida
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Speaker 1: still think he's crazy or just mean. He's a mental case.
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Speaker 1: That's all I can believe because, uh, you know, hate
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Speaker 1: to use the term evil. But why why do you
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Speaker 1: hate to use the term evil? What are you an
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Speaker 1: intellectual that doesn't believe in good and evil? I believe
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Speaker 1: in good and evil. But it's more than him just
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Speaker 1: being evil. That's too easy a caption to put on him. Uh.
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Speaker 1: He he just lacks humanity. That's what the problem is.
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Speaker 1: We lacking humanity, f y I, Joe in Florida. Lacking
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Speaker 1: humanity does not rise to the level of insanity. Joe Florida,
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Speaker 1: don't go anywhere joining me, right now Ashley Wilcott, judge,
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Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of child crime watch dot com. Ashley welcome.
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Speaker 1: Joining me with Ashley is Dr Bethany Marshall, Vincent he
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Speaker 1: old Cock turned p I, and John Limley, Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter to Ashley, this guy is not crazy.
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Speaker 1: He even told nine one one he called his lawyer first,
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Speaker 1: and his lawyer told him to quote called police and
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Speaker 1: quote get that going. He says, his baby is as
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Speaker 1: dead as a doornail. And this she also slept, slept Jackie,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, nineteen hours, Thank you calculator, jackie nineteen hours.
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Speaker 1: And that was normal. Also important, ash We keep saying
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Speaker 1: that his religious belief did not allow him to seek
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Speaker 1: medical treatment. She didn't die of an illness, she died
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Speaker 1: of starvation. That is torture. And add to that, he
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Speaker 1: made the comment it is what it is another day.
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Speaker 1: All of those things that together to murder. It's child abuse,
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Speaker 1: and that child abuse result isn't the death of an infant.
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Speaker 1: There's no insanity, there's no remorse, there's no compassion. And
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Speaker 1: hopefully this man never has another child because he just
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Speaker 1: murdered this one. Absolutely. Dr Bethany Marshall can you please
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Speaker 1: straighten out Joe in Florida? And I think John Linley's
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Speaker 1: jumping on the insanity bandwagon too. Well, this whole selective insanity. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I do hope that doesn't get into the hands of
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Speaker 1: defense attorneys because it sounds pretty good because he selectively
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Speaker 1: called his attorney, which lies that he knows right from wrong.
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Speaker 1: But then the way he talks to the dispatcher, which
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Speaker 1: is on a recorded line, is as if he has
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Speaker 1: no idea what he's just done. You know, most mental
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Speaker 1: and psychological disorders have many components, and I would say
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Speaker 1: the underlying component for this one is that he's probably
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Speaker 1: very sociopathic, which is a disorder of detachment. He is
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Speaker 1: not attached to his child, he said, he says she's
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Speaker 1: as dead as a doornail. He talks about. He talks
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Speaker 1: to the dispatcher as if he's reporting of fender bender.
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Speaker 1: I called, you know, I called the police, I called
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Speaker 1: my my attorney, and that you know. Now I'm taking
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Speaker 1: pictures of the defender. It's just it's just or the bumper. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's just another day. So on some level he does
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Speaker 1: not grasp the severity of what he has just done,
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Speaker 1: and what's in store for him, which implies he has
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Speaker 1: no cause and effect thinking, He has no anxiety about
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Speaker 1: what he's just done. He has no sense of lost
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Speaker 1: or warning for the child. All of this religiosity reminds
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Speaker 1: me of a budding cult leader. I wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 1: if there are other forms of abuse going on in
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Speaker 1: that household, perhaps sexual abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse, torture.
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Speaker 1: I think that when the investigators go into this household,
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Speaker 1: they may find a house of horrors. So I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: interested to know as the story unfools, just what else
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Speaker 1: is going on in that household? To Vincent hill Cock,
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Speaker 1: turned private investigator and hosting a brand new podcast called
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Speaker 1: Fall of the Titan at Apple iTunes, I'm really looking
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Speaker 1: forward to hearing that. Vincent, by the way, but I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna get back on this little girl Mary. You know,
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Speaker 1: we keep saying that he was exercising his freedom of
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Speaker 1: religion by not using doctors. I don't like that. That's
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Speaker 1: taking a swipe at a whole group of people that
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Speaker 1: really believe that they can heal their body's mind over matter.
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Speaker 1: Now do I agree with that? No? Do I think
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Speaker 1: it's possible. Maybe, But that's not what happened here. This
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Speaker 1: is not religious freedom. He let the baby starve, he
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Speaker 1: and the wife tossing on a few sorry, So there
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Speaker 1: is no freedom of religion issue here. It's not not
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Speaker 1: taking the baby to the doctor, it's letting the baby
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Speaker 1: star of Vincent. How do you prove this case? Yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: The thing is, this isn't a day's work. It takes days,
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Speaker 1: sometimes weeks to start to death, even for a little baby.
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Speaker 1: And this guy has his David Koresh complex, like he's
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Speaker 1: just making all of these videos and all of this stuff.
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Speaker 1: But I think that dispatcher was so smart, Nancy. No
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Speaker 1: one's touched on this yet. But you hear this dispatcher
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Speaker 1: asking specific questions because he knows the lines getting recorded,
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Speaker 1: and he knows this will come back when this goes
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Speaker 1: to trial. So that dispatcher did an amazing job of
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Speaker 1: getting that information and basically getting somewhat of a confession
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Speaker 1: out of this sicko. Uh not in the legal sense.
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Speaker 1: He's just sick in his mind because he just thinks
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Speaker 1: he's above everyone else. Last day, afternoon, officers were called
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Speaker 1: to a Cedar Springs home after her father said he
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Speaker 1: found his daughter dead in her crib. Then on Friday,
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Speaker 1: the father and his wife, that ten month old baby
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Speaker 1: girl's mother were both arrested on accounts of child abuse
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Speaker 1: and murder. On your Sides, Emma Nicholas was in court
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Speaker 1: today when the parents were charged. She joined us now
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Speaker 1: live with more. Emma. Tatiana Fusari and Seth Welch are
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Speaker 1: currently in Kent County jails since they arrest on Friday,
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Speaker 1: and that's where they were arranged from together on Monday
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Speaker 1: afternoon on charges of first degree child abuse and first
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Speaker 1: degree murder due to malnutrition and dehydration. Welch's jaw dropped
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Speaker 1: when he heard the charges could lead to possible life
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Speaker 1: behind bars without parole. What exactly led up to the
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Speaker 1: ten month old baby, Mary Anne Welch's death is still unclear,
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Speaker 1: but the responding officer noted in his report that the
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Speaker 1: baby's cheeks and eyes were sunken in and when the
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Speaker 1: autopsy came back on Friday, confirming that the baby received
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Speaker 1: poor care, they were arrested. During their arrangement, Fusari did
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Speaker 1: ask for a pr bond so she could work her
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Speaker 1: full time job, but the judge denied that request. For
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Speaker 1: family murder will carrying life imprisonment. Um, you know the
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Speaker 1: CORP wants to make sure of particularly life without parole,
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Speaker 1: that we've covered every aspect of this, to protect our community,
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Speaker 1: to protect our society first and foremost, to protect any
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Speaker 1: other children than would be in your care and your guidance.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing from our friends twenty four hour News
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Speaker 1: eight straight out to John Linley, crimal line dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, tell me about the charges. These charges are homicide. Uh.
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Speaker 1: That is the ruling by the coroner, Dr David Start.
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Speaker 1: The forensic pathologists who performed the autopsy said that the
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Speaker 1: girl died of malnutrition associated with dehydration due to neglect
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Speaker 1: of adult caregivers. And it's very interesting we heard a
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Speaker 1: little bit about this, Uh, the shock of the deputies
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Speaker 1: from that Kent County Sheriff's office when they responded to
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Speaker 1: that nine one one call that was eventually placed a note.
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Speaker 1: A deputy noted that the infant's eyes and cheeks were
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Speaker 1: sunken into her head, she was not breathing, and that
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Speaker 1: she was cold to the touch. She was pronounced dead
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Speaker 1: right there at the scene. According to the Assistant prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Kim Richardson quote the baby looked like a hundred year
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Speaker 1: old baby, all skin and bones. To the founder of
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Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. A. S. C. Wilcot, Atlanta
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Speaker 1: judge and law you're asking quit about it. Here's the
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Speaker 1: thing that really bothers me, and you've already pointed it out, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: As a judge in juvenile court, I am asked to
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Speaker 1: sign orders when a parent sites religious reasons for not
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Speaker 1: seeking medical treatment, and you are absolutely right. It's not
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Speaker 1: because they've starved a child to death. It's because the
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Speaker 1: child literally in the hospital needing of blood transfusion or
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Speaker 1: some life saving procedure. That the freedom religion prevents the
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Speaker 1: parent from allowing or saying that they will do very
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Speaker 1: different in this scenarios. Hiding behind religion in this case,
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Speaker 1: you're wrong. By the time to Dr Bethany Marshall, the
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Speaker 1: baby's cheeks or sun can in that baby had been
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Speaker 1: starving for a long time. Nancy, I believe I agree
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Speaker 1: with Ashley Willcock that this perhaps has nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with religiosity. It might be that the parents simply did
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Speaker 1: not want this baby, hated the baby, resented the baby's needs,
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Speaker 1: hoped the baby would die, and now they're hiding behind
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Speaker 1: their religious beliefs and their suspicious suspicion of the of
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Speaker 1: the medical system because they're homicidal. And so often parents
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Speaker 1: we've these complex narratives. Um narratives I hear are that
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Speaker 1: my child's greedy, my child selfish, my child wants too much,
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Speaker 1: my child cries all the time, my religion prohibits me
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Speaker 1: from seeking medical assistance. But when in fact the parent
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Speaker 1: just does not want the child to be around. And
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Speaker 1: it's that simple. You know, another thing to cop turn
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Speaker 1: the private investigator, Vincent Hill. He did blog after blog
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Speaker 1: after blog, online video blogs. Don't you know the prosecutors
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Speaker 1: are going to dig up every single one of them
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Speaker 1: and play them back, Vincent. I mean it's a treasure
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Speaker 1: trove of evidence. Yeah, treasure trove would be an understatement, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I mean all of that stuff it's out there. It's
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Speaker 1: public knowledge and that you don't need a search warrant for.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the prosecutor is gonna dig that up and
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Speaker 1: play it all in court. And back to our caller,
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Speaker 1: Joe and Florida Joe, this guy that you seem to
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Speaker 1: think is crazy has the wherewithal to dodge child protective
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Speaker 1: Services Defacts Department Family Children's Services dodged them. He said
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Speaker 1: he was afraid they would get in trouble if they
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Speaker 1: went back to defacts or Defacts found out the baby
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Speaker 1: was quote sick translation starving. So if he's crazy, he's
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Speaker 1: crazy like a fox because he knows not to call police.
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Speaker 1: He knows not to call de facts, but he does
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Speaker 1: know to call his lawyer. Not only that, Joe and Florida.
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Speaker 1: What has somebody told you now? Joe, I want you
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Speaker 1: to go do an online video blog right now? What
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Speaker 1: in the and post it? I bet that wouldn't happen,
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Speaker 1: But this guy knows how to do it. Seth Welch
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Speaker 1: was forever posting blogs or he would rent on and
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Speaker 1: on and on, foisting his beliefs on everybody else that
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Speaker 1: is not crazy, Joe Nancy. It's apparent that I am
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Speaker 1: incompetent of trying to pin down exactly what he is
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Speaker 1: because all of the people that are experts in that
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Speaker 1: have come on with the reasons and so on. I'm
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Speaker 1: incompetent of knowing, uh, what all of these experienced professional
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Speaker 1: people know about someone's aspect. So, but I'm worried about you, Joe.
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Speaker 1: I'm worried about you because this and Hill and Dr
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Speaker 1: Bethany and Ashley Wilcott are not going to be sitting
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Speaker 1: on this jury. So let me ask you this to
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, this guy who drones on and on and
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Speaker 1: on on these blogs. As a matter of fact, listen
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Speaker 1: to this seth. Welch's wife, Tatiana fu Sary, was in tears.
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Speaker 1: A couple set side by side for their video arraignment. Today.
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Speaker 1: You're both charged with what they call felony murder. In
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Speaker 1: court documents, detectives say the couple told them they were
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Speaker 1: aware of their daughter's skinny appearance and low weight for
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Speaker 1: at least a month. The wife told detectives they did
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Speaker 1: not get medical help over fear of CPS taking away
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Speaker 1: their three kids, over distrust of medicine, and because of
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Speaker 1: religious beliefs. All have been topics of some of her
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Speaker 1: husband's rambling videos on Facebook, on doctors, their priesthoods, of
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Speaker 1: the medical call on vaccines, the righteous shall live by faith.
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Speaker 1: It's God who it's God who's sovereign over disease and
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Speaker 1: those sorts of things, and of course ultimately death. So
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott not only did he post these incredible bizarre blogs.
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Speaker 1: He gave a full on jail house. You know, if
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Speaker 1: you listen to this Ashley, Sir, what can I do
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Speaker 1: for you? Hi, Seth, this is Leon hendricks On, reporter
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Speaker 1: from with TV and uh we've been obviously reporting on
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Speaker 1: what's going on with you and um, yeah, so I've
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Speaker 1: been informed you have been making reports of some sort,
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Speaker 1: so that's why we're contacting you. Obviously, we only have
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Speaker 1: what the police have guins. I would advise you to
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Speaker 1: be careful what you say from here on out. You
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Speaker 1: will answer to the Lord for everything that is said
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Speaker 1: against me. Okay, So if we're recording it for a story,
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Speaker 1: I just wanted you go ahead and record it. Sir?
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Speaker 1: What do you want people to know about this situation?
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Speaker 1: And obviously you're in jail and you could be there
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Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. What do you want
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Speaker 1: people to know about what happened? And do you feel
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Speaker 1: like they're being justly treated and I being justly treated
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Speaker 1: on the inside. Yes, I am very thankful for the
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Speaker 1: conditions that could be much worse. I believe I'm being
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Speaker 1: unfairly charged and being made an example of for my
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Speaker 1: very strong faith and the trying times that are ahead
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Speaker 1: and being made an example of. So what really happened? Why?
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Speaker 1: Why do you feel like I'll tell you exactly, sir?
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Speaker 1: What really this marriage? Was a very skinny girl when
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Speaker 1: she was growing up, and now she's bigger than some
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Speaker 1: six year old boys. Um, so I didn't really think
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Speaker 1: anything of it. Uh. In the Bible it says that
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Speaker 1: good food is our medicine. So we fed her, um,
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Speaker 1: you know we we were feeding her chicken, potatoes, apples, cheese.
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Speaker 1: I mean we were. We were giving her the good
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Speaker 1: stuff and then also combined with breast milk, and um,
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Speaker 1: she died. Um. You know, the Lord, give it the
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Speaker 1: Lord take it. To the Bible, it says that we
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Speaker 1: are not to use sorcery. Okay, you know this thing
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Speaker 1: is a thirty minute interview with our friends at t
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Speaker 1: V eight. Ashley Wilcott. You're the judge, you're the lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You're the founder of child crime watch dot com. Everything
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Speaker 1: is about him. It's all about you. Better watch about
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Speaker 1: what you report about me. You better be careful. It's
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Speaker 1: all about him, about how he fed the baby, nothing
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Speaker 1: about at all. I can't believe my baby is dead,
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Speaker 1: nothing like that. And how do you give an eight
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Speaker 1: month old baby chicken and cheese. The baby doesn't even
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Speaker 1: have teeth. It's insane, and it is, but this is
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Speaker 1: a good thing from my perspective in terms of wanting
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Speaker 1: to see those who abused and murdered children prosecuted. This
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Speaker 1: is great evidence for the prosecution. Number One, you can't
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Speaker 1: feed those items to a baby. A baby of that
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Speaker 1: age cannot physically eat those items. So to me, I
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Speaker 1: would argue, clearly he's lying he didn't see the baby anything,
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Speaker 1: because certainly couldn't have fed the baby those things. The
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Speaker 1: second part of this bus Nancy, you know as well
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Speaker 1: as I do, how much fun would you have had
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Speaker 1: as a prosecutor with this particular inter view and his
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Speaker 1: recordings and his rants on the internet. They're going to
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Speaker 1: utilize all of that against him in trial, and I
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Speaker 1: think that that will help secure convictions. I mean, you're
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Speaker 1: listening to him, you're the shrink, Dr Bethany Marshall. Does
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Speaker 1: he sound in saying to you? He sounds grandiose, It's
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Speaker 1: all about himself, nothing about the baby. Sociopaths are grandios.
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Speaker 1: They become highly religious because they think they have the
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Speaker 1: direct line to God or that they are God. In fact,
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Speaker 1: he's preaching to the reporter who's talking to him. It's
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Speaker 1: as if he's giving his sermon to the world, and
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Speaker 1: he's so involved in the sermon he doesn't even think
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Speaker 1: about Mary. Why didn't they just feed her? If they
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Speaker 1: noticed she was getting skinnier? Why didn't they feed her?
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Speaker 1: Hold on Dr Bethany to John Linley, was their food
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Speaker 1: in the home? This is interesting to note the Kent
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's deputy Down ten Brink there in those court proceedings,
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Speaker 1: became very emotional about this point and the condition of
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Speaker 1: the house. She said, very dirty. The crib that Mary
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Speaker 1: was in, very dirty. Ten Brink said she found only
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Speaker 1: one container of baby food no formula during her survey
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Speaker 1: of the home, but photos showed three formula containers in
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Speaker 1: the house, two of which expired five months before the
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Speaker 1: baby's death. You know what, I'm just moved to tears
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Speaker 1: right now about the way this baby was treated to
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Speaker 1: as she Wilcott. We keep talking about Seth Wells, the dad.
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Speaker 1: What about the mom Taussian? I fy, sorry, she needs
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Speaker 1: to be the same pot and still with him, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she does. She needs to be prosecuted for child murder,
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Speaker 1: as well, and here's why Nancy, a mother has a
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Speaker 1: protective capacity generally to protect the child, including from a father,
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Speaker 1: a family member, whoever it is who might be harm
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Speaker 1: in the child. The fact that she did not protect
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Speaker 1: this child, she was complicit. She too needs to be
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Speaker 1: charged with us. I want to take a listen to
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Speaker 1: his jail house interview obtained by t V eight. Listen.
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Speaker 1: Original Greek word for sorcery is far maachaia, which is
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Speaker 1: easily translated into our modern word her pharmacy, which is
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Speaker 1: all the use of pharmaceutical drugs and you know, including
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Speaker 1: you know, like things like vaccines which um even have
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Speaker 1: ingredients containing aborted fetuses. Um, you know that and all
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Speaker 1: sorts of toxic chemicals which are causing allergic reactions and
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Speaker 1: in some cases deaths um amongst the populace. And the
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Speaker 1: more that is um they are being injected into the populace. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think the results are pretty clear. People
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Speaker 1: are getting more and more sick. There's more and more allergies,
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Speaker 1: there's more and more you know, physical maladies. So yes,
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Speaker 1: we did the best we could for Mary, according to
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Speaker 1: our faith. We fed her good food. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: we gave her water, we we gave her lots of love. Um,
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Speaker 1: she just she passed. And here, no, did he look
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Speaker 1: like I mean that she was at risks of starving
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Speaker 1: to death. No, you're saying it was it was that drastic.
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Speaker 1: We would have done something, we we we would have
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Speaker 1: at least found a doctor who would be willing to
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Speaker 1: practice um, you know, things in a way that is
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Speaker 1: um compatible with our belief. But they were not keeping
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Speaker 1: her away from a doctor because they didn't like the
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Speaker 1: doctor's practices because it conflicted with their religion. They said
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Speaker 1: they didn't want to take her to the doctor because
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Speaker 1: they thought child services would be called and they would
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Speaker 1: get in trouble. And why is he talking about vaccines.
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Speaker 1: Lack of vaccines did not kill baby Mary. She died
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Speaker 1: of starvation. John in the court, it's very interesting they
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Speaker 1: didn't go into this. Welsh's defense attorney actually went a
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Speaker 1: completely different sort of confusing route, arguing that there's no
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Speaker 1: evidence the couple had any intention to harm their baby
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Speaker 1: or were wilfully neglectful. In fact, there is testimony that
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Speaker 1: both parents believed that their child was fine. The child
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Speaker 1: was skinny, but not sickly. They were breastfeeding the child.
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Speaker 1: These two people are not nutritionists. They are not dietitians.
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Speaker 1: Not nutrition is not dietitians. Ashley Wilcott, I didn't know
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Speaker 1: my head from a hole in the ground. All I
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Speaker 1: knew is I had to keep the twins alive, and
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Speaker 1: I knew that man, I had to feed them and
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Speaker 1: watch them. They were extremely premature. I was no dietitian.
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Speaker 1: I was no doctor, Ashley. But think about the accounts
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Speaker 1: of how this baby looked. Anyone would look at this
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Speaker 1: baby and know this baby was starving, and think about
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Speaker 1: this and all the steps along starving a baby to death.
34:44
Speaker 1: They don't just lay there quietly. They cry, they're hungry,
34:47
Speaker 1: and then they get lethargic and all these symptoms. So
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Speaker 1: he has basically admitted it to me by him saying, oh,
34:53
Speaker 1: if there's been any sign, we certainly would have found
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Speaker 1: some kind of doctor that could meet our religious needs. No,
34:58
Speaker 1: there were plenty of signs. He just admitted he just
35:01
Speaker 1: chose to ignore those signs. Well. In another portion of
35:04
Speaker 1: his interview, he says, quote, it's like saying a murder
35:07
Speaker 1: victim died from bleeding to death instead of saying they
35:10
Speaker 1: die because they got their throat cut. I believe something
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Speaker 1: else happened here that caused Mary's body to shut down
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Speaker 1: in such a way. It's just a bunch of cockamami babbling.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany. Still he's still trying to talk about vaccines,
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Speaker 1: which had nothing to do with Mary's death. He's still
35:29
Speaker 1: trying to talk about doctor treatment being bad, which had
35:32
Speaker 1: nothing to do with her death. She died of starvation.
35:35
Speaker 1: And you know, Nancy, even if they had fed her,
35:38
Speaker 1: they probably did not address all these critical stages of
35:41
Speaker 1: development where you play with the child and you cuddle
35:44
Speaker 1: the child, and once those developmental stages passed, those opportunities
35:48
Speaker 1: for growth are gone. So the starvation is the most
35:52
Speaker 1: obvious sign of neglect, but there were many, many more
35:56
Speaker 1: types of neglect going on in this home, not only
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Speaker 1: with this baby, but with the other children. And one
36:01
Speaker 1: more quick thought. You know, he's stringing together all these
36:04
Speaker 1: ideas that don't make sense. And we call this trite, rehearsed,
36:08
Speaker 1: stereotyped speech. It's when somebody presents all these superficial ideas
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Speaker 1: as if they know what they're talking about, but they
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Speaker 1: really don't know what they're talking about at all, And
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Speaker 1: it's a cover up for a very deficient human being
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Speaker 1: who cannot attach, has no empathy or remorse, and can't
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Speaker 1: even love his own children. Well, this is what I
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Speaker 1: know youre scenario about he and the mother Tausian if
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Speaker 1: you sorry, leaving the baby on a multi matches, shutting
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Speaker 1: the door, and letting her die fits with the facts
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Speaker 1: as we know them. There is no death penalty in Michigan.
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Speaker 1: Let's see what un falls in court. Nancy Grace crime
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Speaker 1: story signing off goodbye friend.