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Episode-11: Liam and the Sober Carpenters · Brew Tox with Scott & Scott

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  Welcome to Brutons with Scott Scott.
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  Brew tox lake detox only taste you.
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  I'm Bill Scott. And I'm Scott Smithson.
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  And this is a podcast that celebrates alcohol free beer.
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  Well, welcome to June, June, June.
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  We've been doing this for five months.
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  We have. It's been amazing.
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  It's great ride. Yeah.
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  You know, we were originally thinking that this month would
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  be family month, but we've collected so much stuff with our
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  families, our kids and wives and relatives that we just don't
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  like. We needed to put all of it into
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  one month and share it with our listeners.
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  Yeah. And we and we've been really
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  lucky that people have been so willing to jump on board with
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  us. Oh yeah, our family.
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  And there's a variety of different settings too.
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  You know, throughout this month, you're gonna hear us sitting
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  around a kitchen table. We're going to be on a beach out
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  of our kayaks. I mean, there's just so many
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  opportunities for us to have conversations with people about
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  alcohol free beer in the circumstances that we're in at
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  that particular point. Exactly.
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  And then, you know, honestly, the influence we've had on
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  people that are close to us in terms of alcohol free beer,
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  which is. Kind of cool.
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  Are you getting bored with listening to me?
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  Not at all. Are you getting bored with
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  listening to me? But you know, last month we did
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  have a lot of different people on.
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  Yep, right. So and it kind of jazzed it up a
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  bit, like it made it different for some of those episodes
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  having different people to talk to.
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  So that's why we thought we would continue that trend this
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  month. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And that's what June is going to be for us.
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  Maybe we'll make it an annual tradition.
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  June will be family month. Perfect.
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  Yeah. OK, we'll do that.
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  OK, so I just so happen to have something I recorded with my son
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  Liam. So let's start with that today.
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  Let's do that. Well, today I have a special
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  guest I have. Very special.
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  Very special. I have my son Liam here, so
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  welcome Liam. Hello.
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  Hello. And it's nice to have you here
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  because you didn't get to do our Corona taste test down in Hatuka
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  because you were not able to make it.
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  Yeah. Banned from the country so won't
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  let me. Go Yeah.
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  Kind of wonder about that one. So Liam is of the Retox coinage.
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  He's one of the coin that term. And I mentioned that a few
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  episodes back he came up with the Retox, which is pretty
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  funny. Like how would you even think of
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  that? Well, I have or.
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  The the Retox. Of the the phrase or the OR the
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  deed. Well, actually both I suppose.
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  Yeah, well, they've done for the DD itself.
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  Yeah, I have actually done that with an alcoholic beer before.
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  And added like risky into it. So I'm like, I'm going out or
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  whatever you want a couple of drinks.
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  It'll be like, oh, let's try sprucing up this beer with a bit
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  of alcohol. So since I knew that could work
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  putting adding other things to alcohol like done that with the
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  soju, topping up alcohol soju before already.
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  And I've done that with adding Aperol to beer as well.
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  Really get a light beer drink a little bit at April so.
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  OK, well, mom might like that because she likes approval.
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  Spices. That's pretty good.
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  I've done it with, I think I've told you this with Innocent Gun,
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  because I like Innocent Gun, sort of a Scottish ale.
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  So I put Scotch whiskey into it like the best.
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  Yeah, but that's not alcohol free beer.
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  But yeah, not that there's anything wrong with alcohol
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  beers. We still there's Bellini say we
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  you know, we still have those spirits, we just have more
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  alcohol free ones now. So.
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  So today I thought we would try a couple beers, one of which
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  we've both tried. Right.
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  Which one of these you? I've done the silver Carpenter
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  Irish red. Before, Right, So, yeah.
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  And I've done that. I've done the sober Carpenter
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  blonde. I think you have two.
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  Yeah, the one. You can find these ones
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  anywhere. Like most places that have
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  alcohol free beer for sale, they'll usually have sober
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  Carpenter. Yeah, always, always, always in
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  singles they I haven't seen. A Case No.
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  Just interesting. So and then this one is my
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  friend Blake actually brought it to our poker night the other
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  night and it's I hadn't seen it before.
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  It's a sober Carpenter IPA. So we'll see.
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  I'm looking at your face. I'm interested to see if I'll
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  like that one at all. Yeah, yeah, I used to drink
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  mostly just IPA S ohm big one, OK, when I was kind of into
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  craft beer and stuff like that, right?
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  Drink IPA's all the time, right? But there was too many times
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  where I drank like a whole 6 pack of Ipas and too short of a
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  time. And then you can.
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  Just suddenly it's switched. I just thought they were really
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  gross and haven't been able to really enjoy them as.
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  Much. But I'm curious if the non
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  alcohol version is a little better because one of the things
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  I don't like about Ipas is just how heavy they are.
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  Like you drink 1 and it's just like you're like filled.
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  With SO good point. Yeah, yeah, I know.
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  They're a bit lighter than on alcohol ones.
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  I don't like, never have liked IPA.
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  S bills got me onto hazy Ipas a little bit more.
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  They're a bit better. Those are a bit.
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  Easier. Yeah, it's like a cross between
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  1/2 and Boss, like a wheat beer, IPA almost kind of thing.
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  So they're better. But yeah, Ipas are not my
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  favorite. So anyway, so we're going to
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  review. We'll try them both.
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  What do we want to start with? Do we wanna try the one you're
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  familiar with or the one you're not?
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  Your choice. Maybe the one we're not because
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  that way if I don't like it we can quickly wash it down with.
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  The IT was true. Or we could do like we could
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  have them both open and then try them both.
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  Yeah, true. OK, I'll tell you what.
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  Why don't you open them up? OK, and I'll go get it. 4 frosty
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  glasses. So we have a glass each for each
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  kind. OK, I've got a little mini ones
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  and then we can pour them in and just and just try them out.
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  So you go ahead, go ahead and open them.
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  OK, I'll give them a little sniff test.
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  Yeah, OK. Oh, I forgot.
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  This is going to pick up a little bit too much because I'm
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  actually wearing my microphone right.
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  So usually I'm walking out of earshot here.
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  So we'll just have some nice ASMR sounds there.
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  Yeah. So, OK, so we got to tell you
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  what, I'll pour the Irish, the Irish red into these two
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  glasses. You pour that into there we just
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  got. So we got small frosty mugs.
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  But as we always try to do them ducks try to have try to have
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  frost ones. And these are just little like
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  flight glasses. Not all of them wear IPA, which
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  is always pale ale. Yeah.
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  I don't really understand India. I know it's IPA India pale L So
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  I guess yeah like just more hobby.
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  Yeah, more hobby, Yeah, cause they had to use more, put more
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  hops into the beer to have it transported along the.
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  Way right? OK, so let's.
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  So we're gonna try this. So let's smell this.
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  Does it smell hoppy? Oh yeah.
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  Should I do a proper like yeah wine taste?
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  Yeah, you know, you have. Liam took a course in
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  university. Like, I don't know how you got
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  to do these cool courses, but was it again?
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  It was the the history, science and culture of wine.
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  Like there was an environmental studies class, so it actually
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  counted towards my degree. It was interesting.
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  We learned a lot of cool stuff about like the soil and all
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  that. But my favorite part was the.
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  The labs. Where we do wine tastings and
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  learn how to taste wine. University lab where you're
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  tasting wine? That's awesome.
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  At 4:00 PM on Friday, so it was a perfect time to have a bunch
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  of. Wine.
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  Nice. OK, so I'm gonna follow your
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  lead on this. So what are you doing first?
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  You smell it, you often give it a little.
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  It kind of filled these up a little too much.
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  OK, You have to give a little swirl.
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  OK, Yeah, I'll try to see if there's like legs or bubbles.
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  We can see there's a lot of bubbles.
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  Yes, although it's almost kind of wonder does it die down
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  quicker because I think the business, the bubbles on non
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  alcoholic beer has nothing to do with the alcohol, right?
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  It's they have to artificially put it in there.
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  So I'm just wondering if it dies.
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  Down. Oh yeah.
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  Do they just? Like, yeah, they just carbonate.
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  Yeah, they carbonate. OK.
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  Yeah, at least I think so. It might not be future.
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  Cheers. Alright, cheers.
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  OK, um, OK huh. Pretty hoppy, but.
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  But not not that bad. But it doesn't have.
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  The usual. IPA taste, I feel, oh, I'm kind
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  of getting it now. There's a bit of an.
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  After taste. OK, yeah, yeah, I agree.
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  Same. But at first it was very like, I
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  don't know what flavor that is. I gotta.
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  But that that's really true. That is true.
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  But IPA in the hoppiness, isn't it?
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  It's it's an after taste. You don't taste it at the front
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  end. It's a back end taste, right?
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  Yeah, see I. It's kind of like.
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  A. Yeah, I wouldn't.
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  Hmm, citrusy. A little, yeah, maybe a little
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  citrusy. But.
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  It's it's better. It's got a good taste of.
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  It it does, yeah, I it's better than Ipas.
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  I've had other Ipas. Yeah, OK, someone just never
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  enough that. No, it's just very bitter.
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  Yeah. It's kind of like kind of takes
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  the moisture out of your mouth too, like the tannins.
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  In wine. OK, yeah, yeah, similar to that.
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  You're right. That's a good way of putting it.
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  Taking that kind of takes the moisture out of your mouth.
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  You're right. Kind of leaves it, leaves your
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  mouth kind of dry. Mom would hate this happiness of
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  it. So like she I had one last
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  night, a a Raspberry or a, a sour Raspberry sour alcohol
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  free. And she had a little bit and she
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  was like, yeah, well that's OK. You know, you know, it's
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  passable. Like she might have had a little
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  of it, but she wasn't having something else.
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  So OK, I think I'm going to switch, I guess switch over to
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  the to the Irish red here. So typical Irish red shirt looks
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  like an Irish red. Well that's too bad that your
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  guys's mikes started to glitch. There I know.
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  It really sounded like Liam was giving you some thoughtful
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  insights on the 2 beers you were trying.
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  Yeah, that was really unfortunate and I didn't realize
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  the audio issues until after the fact when I went back to listen.
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  So luckily, as you know, I was able to catch Liam at home
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  before he headed out for another work trip and we continued our
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  discussion on Zoom. So, well, maybe just before you
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  get back into that, because I knew you guys were drinking
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  sober Carpenter beers, I have a 0 proof full truth segment for
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  you. 0 proof full truth. Did you know that Sober
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  Carpenter is another one of those alcohol free beer
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  companies that just produces alcohol free beer?
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  No, not like I didn't know that. Yeah, it was started by two
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  brothers. Now talk about a stereotype.
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  Two brothers in their parents basement in Montreal, QC.
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  OK, that's, that's awesome. A good little fact.
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  And it's kind of like the Nanny Brewery that we've talked about
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  in Vancouver before, also started by two brothers.
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  So OK, you know, you and I both don't have brothers.
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  Maybe if we had had brothers, we would have been brewmasters.
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  Hey, it's not too late. That's true.
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  Retirement allows these things. Very cool.
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  OK, so here's the continuation of my chat with Liam, this time
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  on Zoom. Hey, Liam.
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  Hey Dad, are you doing? Good.
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  Good to see you. And as you know, but our
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  listeners don't know, we've had to redo the audio because it
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  suddenly cut out when we were doing it last time because we
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  were using the might, those mics that we had that weren't the
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  greatest. So we kind of lost all the
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  incredible, incredible, insightful things that you said
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  the last time. We did the Sober Carpenter once.
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  So we got to pick up from where we left off.
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  We have about 11 minutes, 10 minutes of the other stuff where
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  we did get some good stuff, but we're gonna do this again.
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  And this is on Zoom. So I'm in Langley and you are
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  where? The city of Victoria.
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  Yes. So where yes so Liam and I, we
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  couldn't get together to do this in person.
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  So we thought, hey, we'll just do it as a Zoom call.
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  So hopefully this works well, we'll have the audio and we
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  actually even have video here. So both of us have because we're
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  not together, we both had to buy beers again.
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  So here. So this is what I have.
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  I have the oh, is it backwards? It reverses the camera anyway.
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  Not for me. Not for you.
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  Yeah, Isn't that weird? OK, so I have, I have.
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  So both Sober sober Carpenter, the Irish Red and the IPA.
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  Look at the colour difference between yours and mine Anyway.
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  OK, that's weird. That might just be our cameras.
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  Or the white. Probably just the cameras.
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  Yeah. So we're gonna, even though we
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  did talk a little bit more so more about the IPA last time,
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  Liam, right. And neither of us were overly
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  fond of it. But in terms of of liking an
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  IPA, what do you think? Like go ahead.
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  Like. In terms of liking an IPA in
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  general or liking. This, no, this compare this
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  compared to most IPA, because neither of us are IPA drinkers
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  really, right? But I think both of us thought
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  this one was actually OK in terms of an IPA or in terms of
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  right? Yeah, I'd say so.
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  Like I'd rather drink this than pretty much any IPA I've tried.
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  OK. So intense.
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  OK, fair enough. Yeah, if if there was an IPA
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  scale only IPA's, this would rank fairly high on that scale
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  of drinkable IPA's. Yeah, that's nice.
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  OK, so why don't we open them both just so we have them both
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  and then we can kind of compare again because we didn't talk
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  very much at all about the Irish red.
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  We were just about to when your mic started to really get
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  garbled and then we talked for a little bit and then my mic just
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  cut out too. So, so we'll so we'll kind of
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  pick up from there. OK, so let's crack them both
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  open. Here we go.
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  OK. Oh yeah, and I got my nice
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  chilled glasses. Nice.
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  Good job, frosty mugs. As we have on Britax all the
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  time, I'm just going to pour part of this in here.
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  Oh, sounds good, smells good. That's actually the IPA, but it
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  still smells good. I'm just going to pour half in
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  each one. OK, look at you with a fancy
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  like a fancy glasses like. There's like a.
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  Nice. I got like a whiskey glass or
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  something. It's kind of cool to have this
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  on so we can actually see, right.
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  So we've got the OK, wow, look at the difference in colour.
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  Hey, I mean, obviously it's going to be different, but
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  that's like a drastic difference in colour between the IPA, which
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  is so light, and then the Irish red amber ale, I guess, right,
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  Or red ale. OK, All right, So here I'm just
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  going to try the IPA, just confirm my suspicions that I
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  don't like it, although you know what that is.
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  That is pretty good. I'm letting the after taste come
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  in before I. Say anything?
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  Yeah, that's right. Because we did say that, didn't
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  we? It was.
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  I think that kind of caught me. Off last time.
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  And I was like, oh, this is great.
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  And then no. It's bad right now though.
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  That's pretty, pretty tasty. It is pretty tasty.
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  I you know what that's better than?
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  The second sip that after taste came in a little bit more.
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  Yeah, it's still not as aggressive as a taste as I've
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  found in other IPA's, just regular pales, but.
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  I I'd agree that you're right that second, the second step
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  hits you harder with that IPA taste because I think we've
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  already got that IPA in the mouth and then right.
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  OK, so OK, it's, it's good. Like I wouldn't, it's definitely
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  not. I'm not like throwing this beer
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  out or anything. Like if someone had this and
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  said, Hey, do you want a beer? And I drank it, I'd go, oh,
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  that's pretty good. You know, I drink it.
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  I like it better than alcohol IPA for sure.
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  Definitely. Doesn't have the strong that
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  real hoppiness right of it, which is what an IPA has of
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  course. Super hoppy flavor, right?
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  I'd say if it was like a nice hot summer day and I opened my
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  fridge and the only thing in there was this beer, I would
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  crack it open and and drink that.
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  I'd be like, oh, that's kind of nice right now.
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  Yeah, it's funny. Like there's probably a lot of
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  other beers that if they were in there as well that would choose
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  them before. This one, yeah, that's true.
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  OK, which kind of brings me to a point.
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  I kind of want to ask you a little bit before we jump into
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  the the Irish red here as it's getting a little bit warmer, but
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  that's OK. Just that whole thing about, OK,
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  if you in what instance or in what circumstance do you drink
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  an alcohol free beer? Like why?
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  Why do you choose an alcohol free beer?
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  I know you don't very often, but you have like when.
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  I'd say just like basically anytime I'd want, I'd want like
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  a nice drink to have. That isn't something you know,
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  it's not like I can't a pop or an energy drink or something
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  like that. Like I want to have a nice
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  drink. I don't want to be having any
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  alcohol like. It's the middle driving or
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  something. Yeah, yeah, we're like, it would
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  be nice to have them when I'm on like a work trip or something.
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  Yeah, I haven't thought about that.
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  Could you, I mean, I know when you're out, when you're out in
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  the field on, you know, out somewhere you're not often
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  you're in a dry camp, right. There's no alcohol.
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  So could you, could you bring alcohol free beer with you?
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  Like, do you see a problem with that kind of an interesting?
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  Yeah, they're probably fine, I think.
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  Yeah, I don't think anybody would have any problems with
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  that. Yeah, a good option I guess.
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  Like what's the difference between having that and having
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  whatever? Having a pop or having a bubbly
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  or? Whatever those camps are usually
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  like loaded with like pops and bubblies and stuff.
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  OK. But there's a lot of people that
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  go to these camps that might like having some drinks when
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  they're at home and then they go to the camp and they can't do
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  that. This is the dry camp, so there
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  just filled with pop for everybody to have and lots of
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  bubbles of course. Of course.
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  I think some alcohol free beers would be very welcome.
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  Yeah, that might be actually something to even mentioned to,
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  you know, not that you have a whole bunch of Paul I I get it,
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  but. Hamilton request look like.
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  What food they bring in. OK, like I was in a camp once
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  and I wanted to have some energy drinks so on the next food order
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  they ordered like a case of Red Bulls.
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  OK, yeah, so you could do that. You could say, hey, I'd like to,
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  you know, I like this beer. I want, can you get in a bunch
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  of sober carpenters or whatever? Right.
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  OK, cool. Liam works for in the mining
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  industry. So he's he's out in the Bush
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  lots of doing surveys and geological stuff.
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  So that's that's what we're talking about with camps.
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  So OK, so in that instance, yeah, you would that would be a
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  good time to drink it. OK, before, before we jump into
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  any other topic, let's try it because we don't want this to
• 20:44
  get cold and not have a a fair shot at, you know, evaluating
• 20:50
  the sober the the Irish red property.
• 20:52
  I'm just going to type top this up a little bit.
• 20:55
  I'm going to put my. I'm going to put the IPA off to
• 20:59
  the side here. I'll finish that one later.
• 21:01
  I think I'm just going to try. It out I just had a little sip
• 21:04
  of water to. Cleanse the palate.
• 21:06
  Cleanse the palate? Really.
• 21:07
  Shit, I got some coffee beans or something.
• 21:12
  There's that more for smell. OK, Yeah, OK.
• 21:17
  See. Yeah, I I mean, I like that
• 21:19
  better. Yeah.
• 21:21
  Yeah, yeah. Kind of has a bit of a like a
• 21:25
  smoky. Yeah, it does.
• 21:28
  Yeah. There's some sort of flavor in
• 21:30
  there that they've put in there to, you know, to sort of
• 21:36
  approximate what alcohol amber ale would be, right?
• 21:41
  Kind of that's like you say, a smoky Ness to it or something,
• 21:45
  right. And it's different than a Porter
• 21:47
  or stout. It's not supposed to be that
• 21:48
  heavy, but it does. Yeah, it's a little more to it
• 21:53
  smell wise. There's not much smell there.
• 21:57
  That's a good, that's good. That's a that's a really good
• 21:59
  beer. Really.
• 22:00
  Good, Very good. Yeah, I like that much better,
• 22:03
  much better than the other. You're right, it does have sort
• 22:06
  of tones of something else, some other flavor in there.
• 22:09
  Mines not as cold as I would have liked it to be.
• 22:12
  It could have been a little colder right?
• 22:15
  My glass was cold ish. But that being said, it's it's
• 22:20
  good. It's good enough.
• 22:22
  Like it's cold. This is the type of beer that
• 22:24
  you could enjoy like at like a room temperature though.
• 22:28
  Yeah, maybe. You know, I think there's a lot
• 22:30
  of people that say Guinness is a beer.
• 22:32
  You should have that room temperature.
• 22:34
  Yeah, apparently. I don't really agree with.
• 22:38
  I try to run temperature Guinness.
• 22:39
  I was not a fan. I just say, like, if you know,
• 22:43
  people that are true Guinness drinkers, especially it from
• 22:46
  Ireland, right, would be horrified that we don't drink it
• 22:50
  at room temperature, right? They're like, oh, so I guess
• 22:52
  this being an Irish red, I mean, I know it's not a Guinness.
• 22:55
  It's not as heavy quite as heavy as a Guinness.
• 22:58
  But yeah, it's, it's very smooth.
• 23:00
  I really like it. You know, I'm just looking at
• 23:04
  calorie wise like are they, are they comparable to one another?
• 23:07
  So calorie wise looking on here, I can't see it, can you?
• 23:15
  The IPA is 65 and the Irish red is 6060.
• 23:20
  Pretty close. Oh wow, yeah, very close and
• 23:23
  very low actually, considering the sizes of the cans.
• 23:26
  Like these are tall. These are tall boy cans, so they
• 23:29
  have that low of calories in both of them.
• 23:33
  That's that's pretty low. I wonder how it compares to the
• 23:37
  other sober carpenters. Yeah, because there's so many of
• 23:41
  them and silver carpenters, Right.
• 23:43
  So. But that is a very good beer.
• 23:45
  I like it. OK, so would you recommend this
• 23:49
  beer to somebody? Definitely.
• 23:51
  Yeah, like if you're going to go out and you say, oh, here we
• 23:54
  should, we should have a few, let's have some alcohol free
• 23:56
  beers. I think you should.
• 23:57
  Why don't you pick up some sober carpenters?
• 23:59
  Yeah, like I would, I would say that to them.
• 24:02
  I wouldn't do the IPA necessarily because I just don't
• 24:04
  like Ipas. I I think of.
• 24:06
  Something like red ales and stuff and amber ales, stuff like
• 24:12
  that. I know a lot of people don't
• 24:14
  like aren't huge fans of those because they just prefer like a
• 24:19
  light beer, so I wouldn't recommend someone who doesn't
• 24:23
  like this kind of beer but. Yeah, true enough.
• 24:25
  They do then. Yes, and, and I've had the other
• 24:28
  ones I've had sober Carpenter makes a white, they make, they
• 24:31
  make a blonde. And both of those are very, very
• 24:34
  good too. And then the Raspberry sours and
• 24:38
  other one that I've had right. And we, Bill and I, did that as
• 24:41
  a road, the one we drank on the road.
• 24:45
  I wanted to try that one. I haven't.
• 24:48
  It's really good too. And then yeah, so there's a
• 24:51
  whole bunch of them that are maybe not available in BC, but
• 24:54
  they would be available back East.
• 24:56
  So be nice to get them as well. You can buy them online.
• 25:00
  They can get any, well, like anything get anything online.
• 25:03
  So anyway, OK, so on our, our, our brew talks rating scale, I
• 25:09
  think they're both beyond a three for sure.
• 25:12
  Or maybe, well, the Amber ale I would say.
• 25:15
  What about? What do you think?
• 25:16
  Want to give me a rundown of the of the scale.
• 25:19
  Of one one month, I would say none of them or one or ones or
• 25:24
  twos. A1 would be a dump it out like
• 25:26
  you'd dump it in your plants, but it would might kill the
• 25:28
  plants right at 2 would be it's like the old, old duels.
• 25:32
  It's just like this just doesn't cut it.
• 25:35
  A three is yeah, it's OK. I'm not going to dump it out,
• 25:38
  but I wouldn't run out and buy this myself.
• 25:41
  A4 would be and this is pretty good.
• 25:43
  This is a pretty darn good drink.
• 25:44
  I probably would go and buy this and A5 would be this is
• 25:48
  fantastic. Like I could stop drinking
• 25:51
  everything else and just have this.
• 25:53
  Yeah, OK, so that's that's kind of where we're at.
• 25:55
  What do you think? I would put the.
• 25:59
  I think your description of a three is like exactly where I
• 26:04
  put. The IPA like.
• 26:07
  Not, I'm not going to buy it, but it's a decent beer.
• 26:11
  I would have. I would have it again.
• 26:14
  If someone. Gave I don't think I'd like go
• 26:16
  to the store being like oh I need to get another sober
• 26:19
  government or IPA. OK.
• 26:21
  Yeah. Fair enough.
• 26:22
  OK, that's for the Irish red. That one I really like.
• 26:27
  I really enjoy that one. That's probably one of the best
• 26:30
  non alcohol beers I've had. OK.
• 26:33
  Yeah. So I'd I'd rate it pretty high,
• 26:35
  maybe a 5, but I don't know if I want to go 4-5 if I'm allowed to
• 26:41
  do like a 4.5. Then I decided a while ago,
• 26:46
  especially when we were up at the festival, because people
• 26:49
  were raiding the beers as we were giving to them and lots of
• 26:52
  people were like, oh, well, it's not can I do it?
• 26:54
  And they asked exactly that. Can it be a 3.5?
• 26:57
  Can it? Yeah.
• 26:58
  People were going 3.8, you know, 4.27 or whatever.
• 27:03
  So. Yeah.
• 27:05
  So four. Yeah.
• 27:06
  And I've, I've obviously I've had more alcohol free beer than
• 27:09
  you. But that being said, I would
• 27:12
  yeah, I'd rate this easily a for, you know, and you know, up
• 27:18
  moving up with the port guy would this is probably one of my
• 27:21
  favorite alcohol free beers so far.
• 27:24
  You know, it definitely is up there in the top echelon of
• 27:29
  beers that I've tried and I have tried so many.
• 27:31
  So I quite like it. That's good.
• 27:34
  And I imagine this one will stay a favorite of mine even as I
• 27:38
  turn more. Well the can does match your
• 27:41
  your new hairdo. Actually, that's true.
• 27:45
  Right, it's almost exactly the same colour.
• 27:50
  Yeah, I was inspired by the cans.
• 27:51
  Yeah, Liam with his sober Carpenter Irish red Mohawk going
• 27:56
  on there. So, so just asking just back to
• 28:01
  kind of while we're while we're sipping this and then we've
• 28:02
  rated it already kind of back to, you know, people your age
• 28:07
  drinking or choosing alcohol free beers.
• 28:10
  So like you've sent me a couple things in the last little bit.
• 28:13
  You were out with a buddy and he ordered a alcohol free.
• 28:16
  It was a maybe a nanny, right? Yeah, it was a nanny.
• 28:19
  You know, and I know you and your girlfriend Trinity, you've
• 28:22
  been out and you guys have had call free like what in what
• 28:26
  situations do you choose to do that and why and how often and
• 28:31
  are you the. Norm just like.
• 28:33
  Well, just sort of in general and then it kind of extending
• 28:38
  that out to like, are you the norm?
• 28:39
  Like is that what a lot of people your age do or are you,
• 28:45
  is it different for you because of what that I'm doing this
• 28:48
  podcast and you're just more aware of alcohol free beers.
• 28:51
  I think the podcast has made me more aware.
• 28:54
  OK. Now I've kind of noticed that
• 28:56
  like if you want an non alcohol here, you can get one at most
• 29:01
  restaurants. OK, you have one.
• 29:04
  Available anything that looked before, probably.
• 29:08
  Exactly. OK.
• 29:09
  I probably would've looked before and seen like alcohol
• 29:12
  beer. Why would I want to get that?
• 29:14
  Yeah, fair enough. But yeah, I've seen quite a few
• 29:17
  people drinking non alcohol beers.
• 29:19
  Like I mean one of the most common reasons is if they're D
• 29:25
  ING. OK, yeah, yeah.
• 29:27
  And they still want. To be still want to be like, you
• 29:30
  know, having a drink, but the other drives.
• 29:34
  And then there's also just people I've met that just, they
• 29:37
  just don't drink at all, but they still want, you know,
• 29:40
  continuous social events and stuff and just a little easier
• 29:43
  if they have something to sip on.
• 29:46
  People do that. With like other stuff like just
• 29:48
  having a case of bubbly or something.
• 29:51
  Instead, do you like, if you like beer and that's your kind
• 29:56
  of your drink of choice, then yeah, it makes sense that you'd
• 29:59
  have an alcohol free, which is where I'm at kind of right guy.
• 30:03
  I'll choose an alcohol free beer.
• 30:05
  I I still will drink beer and I've said that many times.
• 30:08
  But you know, if I have more than one beer, it's the second
• 30:12
  one is probably an alcohol free beer generally.
• 30:15
  Well, that's cool. I love the fact that you know,
• 30:17
  you and your sisters both, you know, are definitely drinking
• 30:21
  way more alcohol free beer than you would have before.
• 30:25
  Yeah. Definitely nice to know I can
• 30:27
  still have a little positive influence on you.
• 30:32
  OK, well, we'll cheers, man. Here, we'll do a cheers up on
• 30:36
  the screen. Here, Here, go to.
• 30:37
  You're on my there. Cheers.
• 30:39
  Cling there. Cheers.
• 30:41
  Oh, I see what you mean just. Right there.
• 30:45
  OK, well thanks for taking the time to do this again.
• 30:49
  No worries. Works out well.
• 30:50
  Thanks for having me on. Yeah, I know it's it's been
• 30:53
  great having you on and you're you've been a great a great
• 30:56
  guest, giving us some insightful thoughts on alcohol free beer
• 31:01
  and and and different tasting notes and stuff with your
• 31:05
  background and wine tasting. You're you're sort of Somalia
• 31:12
  anus to you. So anyway, so thanks again and
• 31:16
  we will talk to you soon. Well, thank you.
• 31:22
  Well, that was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed hearing what
• 31:25
  you and Liam were talking about and the fact that you seemed to
• 31:28
  be enjoying yourselves over a couple of alcohol free beers.
• 31:32
  Having a father and son, being able to do that together, that's
• 31:36
  really, really cool. I really enjoyed that talk I had
• 31:41
  with Liam. It was awesome.
• 31:42
  And like we said earlier this month, we'll have more family
• 31:47
  guests joining us, so be sure to come back and listen.
• 31:52
  Well, that's all we have for you this week.
• 31:54
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• 31:56
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  we'll always have an alcohol free beer to try and a story to
• 32:03
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