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GREENLAND: The Secret "Stranglehold" Under the Ice · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: This is the number one topic all across the globe.
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Speaker 1: It's not about the weather. It's not about a bunch
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Speaker 1: of rich people and elites joining forces and Davos. It's
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Speaker 1: about Greenland. The media is looking left. Trump has been
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Speaker 1: looking right. The most strategic piece of land in the
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Speaker 1: Arctic is up for grabs and it might be a
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Speaker 1: done deal. Europe is terrified, NATO is shaking, and the
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Speaker 1: global order is shifting under our feet. We're going inside
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Speaker 1: the room where the deals are actually happening. Is the
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Speaker 1: US about to make the biggest land acquisition in history?
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. If you were to give me
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Speaker 1: the topic A, it's got to be greenland.
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Speaker 2: Right, Freeland, all hands down. And it wasn't going to
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Speaker 2: be this two weeks ago. I mean everyone who is
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Speaker 2: coming out here was planning on talking about AI and
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Speaker 2: how it's taking.
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Speaker 3: Over the world, you know.
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Speaker 2: I mean they were talking about you know, climate change
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Speaker 2: or you know what whatnot, things of that issue. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's typically what it's discussed at things like this. All
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, it became Greenland. In the last week.
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Speaker 2: It became the future of NATO, It became the future
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Speaker 2: of world order.
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Speaker 3: Between Europe and the United States. And that's why, I
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Speaker 3: mean from everyone who we've heard from here.
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Speaker 2: You know, typically, you know, these CEOs and these business
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Speaker 2: leaders come here. They get to see their friends, they
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Speaker 2: get to rub elbows. This was a year in which
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Speaker 2: people were like, oh my gosh, what is going to happen?
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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, it is the world about to
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Speaker 2: change forever. So this is my first time at this,
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Speaker 2: so I mean, I can't say what it was like
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Speaker 2: last year, but people have said, you know, they were
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Speaker 2: a little more nervous coming into this one.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting because if you look at the history of
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Speaker 1: Greenland you're saying Greenland, I say Greenland sometimes whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: if you look into the history of it, it's kind
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Speaker 1: of semi autonomous, which is kind of a that's an
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Speaker 1: oxymoronal how you could be semi autonomous. But the Danish
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Speaker 1: do have control. Denmark has control, but they don't really
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Speaker 1: like Denmark. If you're somebody who's native from Greenland, what
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Speaker 1: is the feeling in the room. Are they scared to
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Speaker 1: death that the United States is just going to take it?
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Speaker 1: Do they understand the risk from China and Russia? If
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Speaker 1: you were to not somehow get the good guys in
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Speaker 1: there to oversee it. What's the feeling in the room.
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Speaker 1: What are you hearing from people when it comes to
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Speaker 1: somehow the president and the United States acquiring Greenland, Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's.
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Speaker 2: A really astute question because I mean, it goes in
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Speaker 2: all different directions, right, So I would say that with
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Speaker 2: the way that Greenland has been raised so extensively in
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Speaker 2: the last couple of days, you have heard pretty widespread
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Speaker 2: acknowledgment from from every one of all walks of lives
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Speaker 2: of Yeah, I mean, the Arctic is definitely something that
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Speaker 2: we should be paying closer attention to.
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Speaker 3: China now views themselves as.
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Speaker 2: What they describe as a near Arctic state, whatever that means,
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Speaker 2: you know, but they certainly have an interest in the Arctic.
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Speaker 3: Russia has been opening up all these bases.
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Speaker 2: The Arctic is certainly different than it was twenty to
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Speaker 2: thirty years ago. So there is that acknowledgment that said,
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Speaker 2: I would say that there's this European pride that exists
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Speaker 2: over here in which they don't like to be told
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Speaker 2: what to do by the United States. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: you had the president coming in here, you know very clearly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, with with when you look at the dynamic
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Speaker 2: of the room. He has all the leverage here. And
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Speaker 2: the mantra that you're getting from all these European allies is,
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Speaker 2: on the one hand, they don't like being told what
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Speaker 2: to do, but on the other hand they're also speaking
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Speaker 2: amongst themselves saying Europe's got to get tougher, you know,
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Speaker 2: because it is if you watch the way that these
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Speaker 2: conversations about Greenland have played out. I mean, the United
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Speaker 2: States has all the cards in terms of trade power,
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Speaker 2: the United States has all the leverage in terms of
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Speaker 2: defense capability. There's not really much counter leverage that the
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Speaker 2: Europeans have, and they are acknowledging that in the open.
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Speaker 2: So there has been a message Europe needs to toughen
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Speaker 2: up a bet.
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Speaker 1: What's interesting, Robert, is that all of Europe would be
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Speaker 1: speaking German, if not Japanese, if it weren't for the
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Speaker 1: United States. And they aren't taking a hard line against
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Speaker 1: Russia when it comes to Ukraine. They're just sort of
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Speaker 1: sitting back and going, I wonder when that's going to end.
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Speaker 1: And it's sort of the onus is on the United
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Speaker 1: States that to somehow bring an end to that war.
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Speaker 1: Do they have any leverage at all or is this
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Speaker 1: just them speaking as loudly as they can, knowing as
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Speaker 1: you sort of alluded to, that they really can't do
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Speaker 1: anything to stop Trump if you wants to take it.
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Speaker 2: I think that this is the best example of the
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Speaker 2: kind of leverage that Europe has. I mean, there's been
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Speaker 2: all these conversations about the war in Ukraine. I've spent
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Speaker 2: a lot of time in Ukraine covering the war there.
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Speaker 2: The day that this all came out, I was in
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Speaker 2: Ukraine the day that the news came out that all
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Speaker 2: these European countries were still buying oil from Russia. I mean,
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Speaker 2: everywhere that I would go and Kiev, people would be like,
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Speaker 2: are you kidding me?
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Speaker 3: You know, I mean you're you're funding.
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Speaker 2: You know, Russia's ability to keep this thing going. And
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Speaker 2: I've spent time with NATO and the Baltic Sea as
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Speaker 2: they've been tracking Russia's shadow fleet and things of that nature.
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Speaker 3: That is a huge deal there.
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Speaker 2: But many of these countries they're not independent, and that
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not here to opine right wrong ory
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Speaker 2: different about you know, what the future of energy should be,
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Speaker 2: but they're not energy independent. You know, the Estonian Navy
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Speaker 2: when I spent time with them, was precisely set than
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Speaker 2: the boats. So the majority of these countries don't really
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Speaker 2: have extensive militaries.
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Speaker 3: Many of them have downsize since.
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Speaker 2: World War Two, which is why you've seen Russia continuing
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Speaker 2: this war here because for everything that Europe has said
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Speaker 2: since the invasion of Ukraine and February twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 2: Russia has never once given an indication that they are
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Speaker 2: at all worried about Europe's collective firepower.
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Speaker 3: So you asked this question about leverage.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if there is leverage there, Europe really hasn't
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Speaker 2: put it on full display.
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Speaker 1: It is Robert Sherman. Go check him out Robert Sherman
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Speaker 1: TV over on X. So let me ask you about
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Speaker 1: what the president said today. The president's there and here.
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Speaker 1: As you've seen over and over, reporters keep asking, are
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Speaker 1: you gonna do use military force? Are you going to
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Speaker 1: go in there and bring the military. It's gonna be
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Speaker 1: about military, You're gonna attack Greenland? And he's always said,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna see, wait and see, you'll never know. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to tell you what I'm gonna do. Well,
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Speaker 1: today he did say that he wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Going to do that, right right, Yeah, he did say that,
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Speaker 2: and I I mean he said that, you know, on
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Speaker 2: the one hand, you know, if the United States were
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Speaker 2: to use for UCE, I mean, nobody would really be
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Speaker 2: able to stop them, which is a pretty true statement,
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Speaker 2: you know, by firepower comparisons. But he said, this is
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Speaker 2: not something that we're.
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Speaker 3: Going to do.
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Speaker 2: And apparently he just got out of a meeting with
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Speaker 2: Mark rud of, the NATO Secretary General, in which he
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Speaker 2: says that a framework has been agreed to between NATO
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Speaker 2: and the United States which basically satisfies all of the
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Speaker 2: President's concerns about national security and Arctic security, and he
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Speaker 2: says that the details of that should be coming out soon.
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Speaker 3: There's more to negotiate here.
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Speaker 2: But I emphasize that this whole American delegation over the
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Speaker 2: last couple of days has really shifted focus to we're
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Speaker 2: going into Switzerland and we're getting a deal, and it
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Speaker 2: seems as though that there is something in place here
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Speaker 2: in which the American delegation is satisfied with, so we
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Speaker 2: should be knowing more about the specifics of that soon.
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Speaker 2: But Denmark, by that same token, has not changed their tone.
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Speaker 2: They still say that Greenland is not for sale and
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Speaker 2: that that's not changing. So if there's a threading of
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Speaker 2: the needle somewhere scaling up a US presence that could
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Speaker 2: potentially be on the table, Well, I.
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Speaker 1: Just don't know. And again I'm asking you for opinion.
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Speaker 1: If you know a fact on this, let me know.
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Speaker 1: Robert Sherman, great reporter, go and check them out everywhere
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Speaker 1: Robert Sherman TV over on X and see my News Nation.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that Denmark can stop Greenland from saying, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we'll be owned by the United States. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that they officially own it. I know that there's some
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Speaker 1: sort of a deal between the native people of Greenland
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Speaker 1: and Denmark that they have to that Denmark has to
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Speaker 1: give them the right to be independent. If they want to,
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Speaker 1: they have to vote for it in parliament. It's all
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Speaker 1: very concocted. It's all very screwed up how it works.
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Speaker 1: Like what Trump said two days ago isn't far from
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Speaker 1: the truth. And maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 1: But he said Denmark like sailed a ship there one
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Speaker 1: day and said it's ours. Why can't we do that?
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Speaker 1: So do you know the inner workings of what is
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Speaker 1: this ownership because the world media keeps saying semi autonomous,
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Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense to me. Either your autonomous or
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Speaker 1: or not. So is it autonomous? Can the people there
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Speaker 1: vote to say yes, we want to be a United
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Speaker 1: States territory? Is Denmark have to do anything? Do you know?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: So, I mean it functions autonomously, like they have their
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Speaker 2: own foreign minister. I mean, they have their own government
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Speaker 2: that operates there and runs the day to day of
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Speaker 2: the country. So I mean they operate autonomously from that standpoint.
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Speaker 2: Now in theory, you know, the people of Greenland could
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Speaker 2: hold a referendum in which they say we want to
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Speaker 2: be the fifty first state of the United States. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, and then you know, I mean it could
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Speaker 2: move in that direction, right, you know, it seems so
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Speaker 2: from the sentiment, you know, and you know, I mean,
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Speaker 2: to be above board with you, I mean, we're hoping
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Speaker 2: to go out to Greenland in the coming days, coming, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, in order to take the.
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Speaker 3: Temperature of this, you know more firsthand.
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Speaker 2: What we've gathered is that, you know, I mean, the
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Speaker 2: people of Greenland so far don't really like the idea
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Speaker 2: of you know, Copenhagen and Washington trying to decide their
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Speaker 2: future without them having a formal say in all of this,
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Speaker 2: you know, which I understand, you know, I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: that certainly makes a lot of sense.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think a lot of this is going to.
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Speaker 2: Come, you know, more out into the open when we
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Speaker 2: know a little bit more about what this Greenland deal
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Speaker 2: is specifically going to consist of. But it is clear,
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Speaker 2: you know that, I mean, using the president's favorite term, cards,
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Speaker 2: Europe doesn't really hold a lot of cards right now.
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Speaker 2: Denmark doesn't really hold a lot of cards right now,
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Speaker 2: or leverage over the United States.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, it's it's a tricky situation.
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Speaker 2: But the president, you know, saying today NATO has to
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Speaker 2: step up, Europe has to step up. I do think
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Speaker 2: that message is starting to resonate in Europe because people
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Speaker 2: have started to look around and realize, wow, I mean,
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Speaker 2: when the president says he wants to do something, Europe
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Speaker 2: doesn't really.
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Speaker 3: Have a lot of power to stand in the way
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Speaker 3: of that.
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Speaker 1: You know, Robert, I should probably know the answer to this,
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Speaker 1: but you'll definitely know the answert you China and Russia
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Speaker 1: go there? Did he go to the wef are they
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Speaker 1: in Davos? And if so, what are they saying? And
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Speaker 1: if not, you're the international reporter. Have you heard any
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Speaker 1: rumblings out of Beijing or Moscow about the United States
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Speaker 1: saying we're just going to take Greenland? Because you you
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Speaker 1: know that they both would like to have it. Are
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Speaker 1: they there? First of all?
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Speaker 2: They are here, you know, they do have representatives here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's always the distinction and a lot of
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Speaker 2: these political events of you know, where you formally invited,
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Speaker 2: you know, are you officially on the docket or did you.
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Speaker 3: Just show up right?
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Speaker 2: And you know so, but we know the conversations have
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Speaker 2: taken place between the Russians and the Americans about the
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Speaker 2: situation in Ukraine even today you know here in Switzerland.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, it's always those de facto delegations and
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Speaker 2: you know, the behind closed door diplomacy that takes place.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, the US has really been including all
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Speaker 2: of those parties in many of their geopolitical discussions because
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Speaker 2: it is the president's view, right, wrong or indifferent. It
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Speaker 2: is the president's view that the three power brokers in
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Speaker 2: the world are Beijing, Moscow and Washington right now, and
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Speaker 2: so they've got to be involved in any conversation you know,
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Speaker 2: whether they're tough for whether they're simple in all capacities, it.
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Speaker 1: Is Robert Shermany's coming down. You're in Davos right now, right,
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Speaker 1: you're actually right right exactly what you took your private
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Speaker 1: jet and Robert.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to decide which one I was going
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Speaker 2: to take, you know, was I going to take the
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Speaker 2: black one or the white one this trip?
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Speaker 3: I thought the white one did a little bit better
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Speaker 3: with the mountain sceneries. That's what I That's what I
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Speaker 3: came in on.
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Speaker 1: I'm with you.
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Speaker 3: You want to rent the other one, sure, you're welcome
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Speaker 3: to it.
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Speaker 1: I'll let you know. We'll talk off the air and
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Speaker 1: talk to you about President Trump literally saying he wasn't
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Speaker 1: going to impose any new tariffs in Europe. Why why
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Speaker 1: give that away? I mean that was sort of a
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Speaker 1: hand he was holding close to his vest I can
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Speaker 1: always tarrify you if you don't do what I want.
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Speaker 1: Now he just announced that he's not going to What
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Speaker 1: was that all about?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is very clear that this is
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Speaker 2: the tool of choice that the president is using on
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Speaker 2: the international stage in order to get his way.
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Speaker 3: And I mean you.
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Speaker 2: Saw in Strasburg today the European Parliament voted to basically
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Speaker 2: suspend the US EU trade deal that was put on place.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's their form of retaliation here. So
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that played into any of this
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Speaker 2: at all that did happen today, but that is the
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Speaker 2: card that the President does continue to wield here and
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Speaker 2: it has had you know, whatever you think of it,
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Speaker 2: I mean.
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Speaker 3: It does work.
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Speaker 2: I mean it has worked in so many of these
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Speaker 2: geopolitical instances because the US is the marketplace of the world,
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Speaker 2: and you know, access to the marketplace is prized and
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Speaker 2: coveted above all else. So from what we've gathered, it
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Speaker 2: seems as though whatever is happening behind the scenes on Greenland,
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Speaker 2: the President seems satisfied. He just said a few moments ago,
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Speaker 2: it gives us everything we wanted and everything we needed.
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Speaker 2: It seems as though that they're pretty happy with where
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Speaker 2: this is going.
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Speaker 1: I'd imagine if he's saying that, then he would not
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Speaker 1: look good if he said, Okay, we got everything we
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Speaker 1: wanted except Greenland. I mean, it sounds like he's going
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Speaker 1: to get it. I just wonder how that's going to
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Speaker 1: shake out. It's Robert Sherman from News Nation, make sure
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Speaker 1: you follow him everywhere. Robert Sherman TV. What else is
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Speaker 1: going on there? I mentioned Randy Weingarten earlier, who's a
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Speaker 1: like this spokes for a very loud spokesperson for teachers unions.
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Speaker 1: Why is she there? What is she talking about? Is
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Speaker 1: this about the so called one world order? We have
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Speaker 1: to educate and in doctor date the kids all the
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Speaker 1: same way. Why is she there? Do you know?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 2: I mean I I don't know specifically why she is here,
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Speaker 2: but it is one of those things in which, you know,
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Speaker 2: people show up here, you know, to really really get
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Speaker 2: into the room of the power brokers of the globe,
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Speaker 2: right I mean to give you example, who else is here?
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Speaker 2: CEO of Blackrock, CEO of JP Morgan, CEO of Navidia,
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Speaker 2: CEO of Pallenteer, I mean just about every major.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I mean they're all under one roof here, you know.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I thinking about like, who else is here?
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Speaker 3: For a second.
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Speaker 2: You know, Gavin Newsome, the governor of California, is out
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Speaker 2: here right now, very clearly views this as a pot
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Speaker 2: as a powerful room to be in. And yeah, I
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Speaker 2: mean we can all speculate on his ambitions here. But
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, certainly the perceived as being the
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Speaker 2: top Democrat, the top opposition in the United States. The
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Speaker 2: President Trump is here right now, so I mean that
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Speaker 2: gives you the indication of everyone wants to be here
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Speaker 2: where the movers and shakers are.
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Speaker 1: Is there any way you can compare and contrast previous years,
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Speaker 1: maybe even the years under Biden, because I don't know
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Speaker 1: that you were there during Biden if you were telling me,
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Speaker 1: but it just seems like there's a different sense under Biden.
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Speaker 1: You get the feeling. And again, this is my opinion.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to come in on the opinion, just
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Speaker 1: if you don't mind compare and contrast the different conferences
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Speaker 1: over the years. But under Biden there was a weakness
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Speaker 1: that was perceived by America and the rest of the
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Speaker 1: world was like, hey, maybe we can do this one
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Speaker 1: world order thing. All we really have to do is
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Speaker 1: get past the Constitution in America. Is there a different
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Speaker 1: feeling in the room now that Trump is back and
14:35
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I'm America first. We're gonna do what's
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Speaker 1: right for my people. You do it's right for your people,
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Speaker 1: and that'll be great. It just seems as though they
14:41
Speaker 1: felt like the United States was teetering on becoming part
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Speaker 1: of this conglomerration that want to make you know this
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Speaker 1: one world order and now not so much, can you?
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Speaker 1: Is there a difference there?
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Speaker 2: What I would say is is that I mean there's
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Speaker 2: been a difference in the day to day here, right.
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Speaker 2: I mean from the standpoint that this is the day
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Speaker 2: that President Trump arrived. Everyone knew that prece that and
15:00
Speaker 2: Trump was coming. I mean, this is like the hands
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Speaker 2: down the most anticipated day because I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: the day that the commander in chief is showing up
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Speaker 2: here in Davos, and so everyone is trying to listen
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Speaker 2: to the speech. Everyone is hoping. I mean, you hear
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Speaker 2: like Friedrich Merritz, the Chancellor of Germany, is like, I'm
15:15
Speaker 2: hoping to steal a few minutes of his time. I mean,
15:17
Speaker 2: that's the Chancellor of Germany saying, you know, I hope
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Speaker 2: I get a couple of minutes, you know with the
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Speaker 2: President of the United States. I mean I think everyone
15:24
Speaker 2: in that room would have liked to get on his calendar.
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Speaker 2: Obviously not everyone could. We know that he met with
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Speaker 2: the Egyptians, the Belgians, NATO, and I think that there
15:33
Speaker 2: was one more that he met with today. But I
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Speaker 2: mean that just goes to show you know, I mean
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Speaker 2: who who, who really is the one who is calling
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Speaker 2: the shots at this thing. I mean everyone is doing
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Speaker 2: anything they can in order to get on President Trump's calendar.
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Speaker 2: The same can't be said for you know, Gustavo Petro
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Speaker 2: of Columbia or something like that. I mean there's a
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Speaker 2: clear power dynamic here.
15:54
Speaker 1: Well, no, obviously, and again this is this is me
15:56
Speaker 1: saying and not you necessarily, but I think it's true.
15:58
Speaker 1: People weren't lining up to to get with Biden. I mean,
16:01
Speaker 1: Biden didn't know where to stay for the picture. So
16:03
Speaker 1: there's definitely a change in dynamic. The A type is back.
16:07
Speaker 1: And again I'm looking out for America first, and by
16:09
Speaker 1: the way, look out for your country first as well.
16:10
Speaker 1: It's Robert Sherman who's in Davos right now. Let's finish
16:13
Speaker 1: with this. What is the end goal for the organizers
16:17
Speaker 1: of the w e F. What is what do they
16:19
Speaker 1: hope when this thing is over? They want to walk
16:21
Speaker 1: away and say we accomplished. What is there?
16:24
Speaker 2: One? I would think that the big thing is, you know,
16:27
Speaker 2: an alignment on the future of the world. You know
16:31
Speaker 2: where where they want to see commerce going, you know,
16:35
Speaker 2: where they want to see values going. Because I mean
16:37
Speaker 2: the people in these rooms believe again, you know, right,
16:40
Speaker 2: wrong or different. This is just their view that they
16:42
Speaker 2: have a responsibility to the world in order, you know,
16:46
Speaker 2: to make it the best place possible. And yeah, I
16:48
Speaker 2: mean whether that's climate change or whether that's you know,
16:52
Speaker 2: the future of economics. I mean a big topic here
16:54
Speaker 2: has been AI and the future that's going to have
16:56
Speaker 2: on the workplace. So I mean they believe like they
16:59
Speaker 2: have you know, this p found impact on humanity, you know,
17:02
Speaker 2: like worldwide here. Should they or shouldn't they have that?
17:05
Speaker 2: I mean that's not you know, my place to weigh
17:06
Speaker 2: in on, you know, but that's I think that that
17:09
Speaker 2: is the view here.
17:10
Speaker 3: You know, you said that.
17:12
Speaker 1: They have this view. They have this perception that what
17:15
Speaker 1: they do is going to be the be all and
17:16
Speaker 1: end all from everybody, when when most of the three
17:18
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million in America have no clue even that
17:21
Speaker 1: the WF has happened is happening. We don't really care
17:23
Speaker 1: what Davos says. I mean, I do because I do
17:25
Speaker 1: information for a living. You do because you do it
17:27
Speaker 1: for a living. But I think the general public in
17:29
Speaker 1: most countries on the planet aren't going, oh my god,
17:32
Speaker 1: what did they say the WEF as they all jump
17:35
Speaker 1: back on their planes any talk about climate change. I
17:37
Speaker 1: mentioned that quickly earlier. But I know that the global
17:41
Speaker 1: you know, attitude about climate changes, well, maybe it's not
17:43
Speaker 1: really happening. Is that still a focus? We don't have
17:45
Speaker 1: a Greta Thunberg sort of moment from the the WEF
17:49
Speaker 1: this time, but is that still a thing there?
17:52
Speaker 3: Let me put it to you this way.
17:53
Speaker 2: I mean, when I filled out my credentials in order
17:56
Speaker 2: to come to the World Economic Forum, one of the
17:58
Speaker 2: questions that they asked me was how I intend to
18:01
Speaker 2: offset my carbon footprint?
18:03
Speaker 3: Come on, so I mean that I'm not kidding. I'm
18:05
Speaker 3: not kidding. I mean that was a question, you know.
18:08
Speaker 2: So I mean that's I mean that that gives you
18:11
Speaker 2: an indication of how they feel about the issue.
18:13
Speaker 1: Are there's still two hundred different private jets there at least,
18:16
Speaker 1: because we saw the lineup before, just hundreds and hundreds
18:19
Speaker 1: of private jets, and they want the reporter from news
18:21
Speaker 1: Nation to say how he's gonna upset his carbon footprint.
18:24
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just dumb. I mean, again, maybe I'm
18:26
Speaker 1: asking for opinion, but you can answer this one in
18:28
Speaker 1: a very factual way. Were there a ton of private
18:30
Speaker 1: jets there?
18:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a ton of private jets you
18:34
Speaker 2: know that come in. I mean, it's that's that's the
18:36
Speaker 2: element of all of this.
18:37
Speaker 3: Yea. Granted, you know, I brought both of mine by this,
18:40
Speaker 3: you know, so I hadn't help you had a spare you.
18:43
Speaker 2: Just because you know, I mean, I really wanted to
18:45
Speaker 2: assert myself at this event, you know. But I mean
18:47
Speaker 2: that's the thing, you know. I mean, it's you know,
18:50
Speaker 2: it's just like they're asking me, like about my carbon footprint,
18:52
Speaker 2: but I mean I'm looking looking at the skies above here.
18:56
Speaker 3: It's it's a little bit different.
18:58
Speaker 1: Listen, amazing information. I know that my audience cares about
19:01
Speaker 1: what's going on there, but they don't know what's going
19:03
Speaker 1: on there. I knew that the big presence in the
19:05
Speaker 1: room was going to be President Trump. I thought that
19:07
Speaker 1: Greenland would be a big deal. But the way that
19:09
Speaker 1: you spelled it out was perfect. I really appreciate you
19:11
Speaker 1: taking the time and be safe flying both jets back.
19:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. Appreciate it and.
19:16
Speaker 1: If you go to Greenland, by the way, come back
19:18
Speaker 1: on we went. Do they have internet in Greenland? I
19:20
Speaker 1: think they do.
19:21
Speaker 3: You know, we're going to bring to Starlink. We're going
19:23
Speaker 3: to make sure.
19:24
Speaker 1: Just for you, Barnall. That's smart, All right, Robert, we
19:26
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Stay safe. Then I spoke with District twenty
19:29
Speaker 1: two Republican from the Great State of Texas, Troy Nails.
19:33
Speaker 1: Representative Nails gets into exactly why this is in fact America. First,
19:37
Speaker 1: you're like, well, why are we going after Greenland? Why
19:40
Speaker 1: don't we care about the Arctic? Why are we doing
19:41
Speaker 1: it now? It's the story. Well, the fact is Russia
19:44
Speaker 1: would love it, China would love it too, So why
19:48
Speaker 1: not make sure that we can keep people safe in
19:50
Speaker 1: North America end in Europe by going and getting this
19:53
Speaker 1: piece of land because Denmark can't really defend it. We
19:56
Speaker 1: don't even know if China's there now, we don't know
19:59
Speaker 1: if Russia's there now. We know that there are all
20:01
Speaker 1: sorts of vessels from those two countries that would love
20:03
Speaker 1: to dominate the world that have certainly been sniffing around Greenland.
20:06
Speaker 1: So again I get into with Representative Troy Nails, what's
20:10
Speaker 1: the reason to go after this right now? Why is
20:12
Speaker 1: the timing right now? It sounds today like there's a framework.
20:15
Speaker 1: Now that President Trump went and did his speech in Davos,
20:18
Speaker 1: he told everybody, this is the way it's going to be.
20:20
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not going to bring military action, which
20:22
Speaker 1: I never thought he was going to. But he sat
20:24
Speaker 1: down with the Danish, he sat down with the EU,
20:26
Speaker 1: he sat down with NATO, and he said he pretty
20:29
Speaker 1: much got everything he wanted. Tell me the importance from
20:31
Speaker 1: your perch in Congress, what's the importance of us having
20:35
Speaker 1: control of the Greenland?
20:37
Speaker 4: Well, because you have all it's an you have all
20:38
Speaker 4: those waterways around there, and you know that with the
20:42
Speaker 4: Soviet Union or with Russia and with China, they're out there,
20:46
Speaker 4: they're conducting operations, you know, deep underneath the surface of
20:50
Speaker 4: that water, nuclear subs. We need to control that. We
20:55
Speaker 4: need to control that. Those shipping routes are very very important.
20:58
Speaker 4: And obviously for the dome. President Trump wants to build
21:01
Speaker 4: that dome. Well, if you ever have nuclear war, they're
21:04
Speaker 4: going to be shooting missiles right over Greenland. Right, you
21:06
Speaker 4: got the North Post going right over Greenland.
21:08
Speaker 5: So I think is.
21:10
Speaker 3: For missile defense.
21:11
Speaker 4: Strategically, we need to have some operational control over Greenland.
21:18
Speaker 5: I don't have a whole lot of confidence in the EU.
21:21
Speaker 4: I don't have a whole lot of confidence in the
21:23
Speaker 4: European Union, and quite honestly, NATO.
21:26
Speaker 5: It seems like every time we've hat.
21:27
Speaker 4: Conflict across the globe, whether it's Ukraine anywhere else, they're
21:32
Speaker 4: always asking the United States to use tax payer money.
21:36
Speaker 5: To solve the problem. So I don't have a whole.
21:38
Speaker 4: Lot of confidence in some of those organizations. But I
21:42
Speaker 4: do believe Donald Trump understands just how important, strategically important
21:48
Speaker 4: that is to have some operational control over Greenland, because
21:52
Speaker 4: can't count on Denmark, you can't count on Europe or
21:55
Speaker 4: anybody else to come in and save the day. We
21:58
Speaker 4: have to do it now. We have to do it now,
22:01
Speaker 4: and we got the right guy in the White House
22:03
Speaker 4: to do it. And he'll do it through diplomatic means. Right,
22:06
Speaker 4: I say, take it, but take it through diplomacy, right,
22:10
Speaker 4: Donald Trump can be very very convincing. Now, whether it's
22:13
Speaker 4: seven hundred billion dollars for Denmark, I don't know. They'd
22:16
Speaker 4: probably appreciate the money. But the fact of the matter
22:19
Speaker 4: is there's some minerals up there and this and that,
22:21
Speaker 4: and hopefully we could find a way to get that
22:24
Speaker 4: money paid back. But it's it's in the best interest
22:28
Speaker 4: of the United States to have some operational control of
22:31
Speaker 4: that area. And Donald Trump is going to get it done.
22:34
Speaker 4: I support it.
22:36
Speaker 1: If he doesn't do it, I know he's going to
22:38
Speaker 1: him not suggesting that he's not. But if he doesn't
22:39
Speaker 1: do it, does it seem imminent that China or Russia
22:42
Speaker 1: would just take it, because that's what he's been sort
22:46
Speaker 1: of saying. If we don't do it, they're gonna do it.
22:49
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.
22:50
Speaker 3: I think they're already there.
22:52
Speaker 4: I think Donald I think President Trump knows things that
22:55
Speaker 4: maybe he can't disclose to the American people. I mean,
22:59
Speaker 4: I can't say that for certainty, but all I do
23:02
Speaker 4: know is China. I mean, they're running around this world.
23:06
Speaker 4: They're trying to take control of look at what they're
23:08
Speaker 4: doing in Africa and every place else. So the fact
23:11
Speaker 4: of the matter is we need to show our strength,
23:15
Speaker 4: and we have it. We have that strength, and we
23:19
Speaker 4: need to make sure that that area, that region, especially
23:22
Speaker 4: the waters around those areas around Greenland, that we can
23:26
Speaker 4: keep those secure in the best interests of America and
23:29
Speaker 4: its people, and as well as the missile defense shield.
23:33
Speaker 4: We got to have it, and I think that is
23:35
Speaker 4: a very important area to help protect America from a
23:38
Speaker 4: potential nuclear attack in the future.
23:42
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting to me, and I wonder if you've
23:44
Speaker 1: got thoughts on this. Since Venezuela happened, since we got
23:47
Speaker 1: Maduro and his wife, since we showed our military might
23:50
Speaker 1: and prowess, I haven't heard anything from Russia and China
23:53
Speaker 1: at all. And even with the Greenland stuff, you figured
23:56
Speaker 1: that Russia and China would be angry. How dare you?
23:58
Speaker 1: What do you think you just take Lynn? What are
24:00
Speaker 1: you talking about? But they've been they've been like historically quiet,
24:03
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Is that weird to you?
24:06
Speaker 4: Well, I think they realize they now have a president
24:10
Speaker 4: in Donald Trump that they can't push around.
24:12
Speaker 3: I mean, how.
24:14
Speaker 5: Many people actually thought that we would actually.
24:16
Speaker 3: Go in into.
24:17
Speaker 4: Venezuela and pull Maduro out and do it in the
24:20
Speaker 4: way we did. We didn't lose one American soldier. Yeah,
24:24
Speaker 4: we had a few of them that were injured. We
24:26
Speaker 4: go on fire, and you know, one of the helicopters
24:28
Speaker 4: was hit, but overall didn't lose one American life and
24:31
Speaker 4: did it in just a few hours. So now we
24:33
Speaker 4: got that guy over here. Hopefully he'll be in prison.
24:36
Speaker 4: Hopefully he never leaves a prison cell in the United
24:39
Speaker 4: States and he dies in prison. But the advantage that
24:43
Speaker 4: we have here is now the people in Venezuela are
24:45
Speaker 4: going to actually see the fruits of their labor.
24:48
Speaker 5: Obviously, they have a lot of oil.
24:50
Speaker 4: Maduro was selling that oil to China and others in
24:53
Speaker 4: the black market. They weren't even getting fair market price
24:56
Speaker 4: for it. So now it's going to be traded fare
25:00
Speaker 4: prices and the people of Venezuela.
25:02
Speaker 5: Are going to benefit from that.
25:04
Speaker 4: Now we may have to take some of that money
25:06
Speaker 4: to help with some of the expenses, but that money
25:08
Speaker 4: is going to go back into Venezuela to pay their policemen,
25:11
Speaker 4: their firemen, and all their different programs that they have.
25:14
Speaker 4: So it's not like Donald Trump went in here and
25:16
Speaker 4: said I'm just going to steal everything and steal.
25:19
Speaker 5: All the oil from Venezuela. That is not true.
25:22
Speaker 3: It's just not true.
25:23
Speaker 4: We had the legal authority to do it because we
25:25
Speaker 4: had the indictments. We just executed the arrest warrant we
25:29
Speaker 4: executed the arrest warrant. What the hell's the matter with that?
25:32
Speaker 3: Nothing?
25:32
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing at all. You're right, And it also it
25:36
Speaker 1: benefits us and benefits the people of Venezuela that China
25:39
Speaker 1: doesn't have their hooks in there anymore. China was getting
25:41
Speaker 1: so much of its oil from Venezuela. I mean that
25:44
Speaker 1: there are five things that happened in that one operation
25:47
Speaker 1: that benefit the United States of America. Have we been
25:50
Speaker 1: good enough about making sure people understand why this was
25:52
Speaker 1: America first? Because immediately people said, this is an America first,
25:55
Speaker 1: what are you doing?
25:57
Speaker 4: No, it is America first, because he was using his
25:59
Speaker 4: drugs to populate and.
26:04
Speaker 5: To come into America.
26:05
Speaker 4: Obviously, the drugs that were pouring into our country from Venezuela.
26:09
Speaker 4: Obviously we're killing our people, they were polluting our people. Obviously,
26:13
Speaker 4: there were many many they had the embargo set up
26:16
Speaker 4: in this that, but he was still getting those big
26:18
Speaker 4: tankers out there, that many of them were. How many
26:20
Speaker 4: did we take in the end, But he was still
26:22
Speaker 4: selling that oil to our adversaries, and they were buying
26:25
Speaker 4: it for under market value. China is a good example,
26:29
Speaker 4: Cuba and others. So I think it was just a
26:32
Speaker 4: president that said, you know what, I've seen enough of this.
26:35
Speaker 5: The game is over and I'm going to actually take action.
26:38
Speaker 5: And he did it.
26:39
Speaker 4: But Maduro was kind of laughing, and you see some
26:42
Speaker 4: of the interviews with him weeks and months prior, it
26:45
Speaker 4: was almost like he was challenging President Trump.
26:48
Speaker 5: I tell you a world, pay close attention, you people.
26:52
Speaker 4: Use some of those idiots who have in Dovos, Switzerland
26:55
Speaker 4: right now with that summit, that Donald Trump is not
26:58
Speaker 4: playing games, He's not playing around.
27:00
Speaker 5: If he's gonna tell you he's gonna do something. For
27:02
Speaker 5: the most part, he will.
27:04
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the market adjusted a little bit today
27:06
Speaker 4: with the tariffs and stuff, but overall, Donald Trump is
27:10
Speaker 4: a man of his word and he loves America.
27:13
Speaker 5: He loves this country. He loves the world.
27:15
Speaker 4: Quite honestly, he tries to end these conflicts, these all
27:19
Speaker 4: these different wars. He's doing it, and he's done it
27:22
Speaker 4: what he hasn't even been there thirteen months. He will
27:25
Speaker 4: go down as the greatest there. I like Ronald Reagan,
27:28
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, Joel. Ronald was good, but there
27:31
Speaker 4: will not be anybody like a Donald J.
27:34
Speaker 3: Trump.
27:35
Speaker 5: There won't be anybody like him.
27:36
Speaker 1: Ever, I hear you. Listen. I still am a big
27:40
Speaker 1: Reagan guy, but I think Trump is probably gonna surpass him.
27:43
Speaker 1: I think you're right before we go. Why aren't you
27:45
Speaker 1: running for reelection? Is there is there a plan you're
27:47
Speaker 1: gonna run for Senate, You're gonna get out of politics
27:48
Speaker 1: completely back into law enforcement. Why an't your running for reelection?
27:52
Speaker 4: Well, I've been up here now, I'm in my third term.
27:54
Speaker 4: I'm finishing my third term. I'm not resigning or anything.
27:57
Speaker 4: I'm gonna fulfill my commitment. So I've got another eleven months.
28:00
Speaker 4: But you know, my wife retired in June. I do
28:03
Speaker 4: have a thirteen year old. And when Chuck Schumer shut
28:06
Speaker 4: down the government for forty two days Joe true story,
28:09
Speaker 4: I get up really really early to feed my dogs,
28:11
Speaker 4: and I would sit at that kitchen table with my
28:13
Speaker 4: beautiful wife and have a cup of coffee, and I
28:16
Speaker 4: enjoyed it so much.
28:17
Speaker 5: I said, I want to do this more.
28:19
Speaker 3: I want to do this more.
28:20
Speaker 4: And I had an opportunity to take my thirteen year
28:22
Speaker 4: old at school. And so it just says families first.
28:26
Speaker 4: I can still be a very effective congressman, but put
28:28
Speaker 4: my family first. But I want to spend more time
28:31
Speaker 4: with my family.
28:31
Speaker 3: And who knows.
28:32
Speaker 4: I mean, I made sure President Trump he knew that
28:36
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to seek reelection before I made it public,
28:39
Speaker 4: and he endorsed my twin brother right away.
28:41
Speaker 5: Trevor's going to be great.
28:42
Speaker 4: You're always concerned when you leave an office who's going
28:45
Speaker 4: to replace you, what kind of a congress man or
28:48
Speaker 4: woman they will be. But I'm very confident Trevor will
28:51
Speaker 4: be a very effective congressman who loves Donald Trump and
28:54
Speaker 4: who will put America first.
28:57
Speaker 1: Till give it. Hiding the twin brother for me. You've
29:00
Speaker 1: known each other like five eight years something like that,
29:02
Speaker 1: and you said something before you tell the people what
29:04
Speaker 1: you said to me before.
29:05
Speaker 5: You don't listen, Joe, you talk, you don't listen.
29:08
Speaker 4: My brother interviewed with you twice last year when I
29:11
Speaker 4: wasn't really well, and you never figured it out. You
29:14
Speaker 4: never figured out. So what kind of an investigating journalist
29:18
Speaker 4: are you? You couldn't figure that one out. I called
29:20
Speaker 4: thee the other day. I told the speaker Johnson the
29:23
Speaker 4: other day said, my brother come up here and he
29:25
Speaker 4: voted three times for me last year.
29:28
Speaker 1: That is hilarious. Of course, that didn't happen. But Joy,
29:31
Speaker 1: We appreciate the hard work that you do for the
29:33
Speaker 1: American people and protections and man enjoy enjoy going back
29:37
Speaker 1: and having the coffee and feeding the dogs and hanging
29:38
Speaker 1: out with your wife and your kids. And we look
29:40
Speaker 1: forward to meeting Trevor. I have not interviewed him yet,
29:42
Speaker 1: but I do look forward to doing so. My friend.
29:44
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
29:45
Speaker 5: Thank you. I'd love to come back on your show anytime.
29:47
Speaker 4: Joe, thank you, and thank you to all your listeners,
29:50
Speaker 4: your viewers. You're fantastic.
29:51
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on this? Does it make
29:53
Speaker 1: sense for the President of the United States, who now
29:55
Speaker 1: says he's got a framework, some sort of a concept
29:58
Speaker 1: of a deal to take over Greenland? Does it make sense?
30:00
Speaker 1: I think without a doubt strategically it does for North America,
30:04
Speaker 1: for Europe, and for the globe. Certainly you want it
30:07
Speaker 1: in the hands of the good guys, and yes, I
30:08
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30:11
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