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Sharri | 7 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening, A big show coming up.
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Speaker 2: Anti Semitism explodes on the streets of Melbourne as Albanese's
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Speaker 2: lack of leadership is on display yet again, which begs
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Speaker 2: the question is Australia safe for Jews. Senator James Patterson
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Speaker 2: will join me live shortly. Also tonight, we'll show you
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Speaker 2: the footage of Aaron Patterson that was examined by the
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Speaker 2: jury and will discuss the guilty verdict with top lawyer
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Speaker 2: Justin Quill. The Prime Minister gears up for his fourth
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Speaker 2: trip to see the Chinese President while failing to secure
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Speaker 2: even one meeting with Donald Trump. Ray Hadley fires up
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Speaker 2: this hour plus Nettayahu heads to the White House to
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Speaker 2: discuss the ceasefire in Gaza and expanding.
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Speaker 3: The Abraham Accords.
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Speaker 2: That's all coming up, but first tonight to the weekend
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Speaker 2: of horror in Melbourne. Synagogue satellite cars torched and inn
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Speaker 2: Israeli restaurants stormed and families terrorized. This is the violent,
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Speaker 2: racist country that we're now living in that's increasingly unsafe
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Speaker 2: for Jewish Australians and we want this would happen over
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Speaker 2: and over again. We begged for the federal government to
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Speaker 2: show leadership. We even developed an anti Semitism blueprint to
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Speaker 2: help solve this crisis at our Sky News Antisemitism Summit.
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Speaker 2: Yet Albanezi did not adopt a single one of those recommendations.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps he naively believed if he did nothing, if he
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Speaker 2: buried his head in the sand, the problem would go away.
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Speaker 2: But of course it hasn't, and under his watch our
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Speaker 2: country has irrevocably changed. This is now Australia a violent,
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Speaker 2: unsafe nation where racism has been allowed to flourish, where
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Speaker 2: a peaceful, philanthropic, caring community has been demonized and scapegoated
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Speaker 2: while out of control Palestinian activists are endlessly protected by
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Speaker 2: the law and the leadership. And we saw on Friday
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Speaker 2: night at one of Australia's oldest synagogues, the East Melbourne
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Speaker 2: Hebrew Synagogue.
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Speaker 3: Jews were the target's Jews.
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Speaker 2: A man rang the synagogue's doorbell around eight pm twice. Inside,
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Speaker 2: about twenty Jews were at Shabbat, that's the Friday evening meal.
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Speaker 2: The Age newspaper reports a thirteen year old was in
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Speaker 2: the synagogue office and heard the bell through the security monitors.
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Speaker 2: He reportedly saw a man he didn't recognize and thankfully, thankfully,
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Speaker 2: he didn't open the door. The man then lit a
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Speaker 2: petro bomb at the entrance of the synagogue, where it detonated,
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Speaker 2: and the damage from the bomb wasn't worse only because
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Speaker 2: the synagogue added extra protection just a few years ago,
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Speaker 2: including a blastproof reinforced steel security door. The alleged culprit
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Speaker 2: has now been arrested, Angelo Loris, aged thirty four. He
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Speaker 2: lives in the Sydney suburb of Toungabby.
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Speaker 4: The man charged with setting fire to the front of
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Speaker 4: a Melbourne synagogue is behind bars. Tonight, counter terror police
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Speaker 4: arrested thirty four year old Angelo Loris, who did not
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Speaker 4: apply for bail, over the alleged attack.
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Speaker 2: And then on the same night, a Jewish owned restaurant,
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Speaker 2: miz Non, in Melbourne's popular Hardware Lane was stormed by
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Speaker 2: around twenty masked protesters who were chanting death to the IDF.
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Speaker 2: They terrorized families eating dinner and toppled furniture.
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Speaker 3: These were those disgraceful scenes.
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Speaker 2: The genesis of this began a day earlier when social
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Speaker 2: media accounts demanded a boycott of this restaurant and they
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Speaker 2: shared the address now as you heard there the protesters
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Speaker 2: were chanting death to the IDF, a murderous phrase. And
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Speaker 2: here's where that chance started at the Glastonbury Music Festival.
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Speaker 5: Stiff to the IDF, the id to the IDF.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you just can't get your head around it.
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Speaker 2: A music festival repeating a death chant. It was a
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Speaker 2: festival just like the one where two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: young people were gunned down, chased and hunted before being murdered,
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Speaker 2: a massacre at the Nova Music Festival. Apparently forgot it
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Speaker 2: at Glastonbury and now forgotten in Australia and also in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne on Friday night, three cars were torched and yet
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Speaker 2: another anti Semitic incident.
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Speaker 6: Police are on the hunt for five mask defenders after
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Speaker 6: a targeted arson attack at a business in Melbourne's northeast.
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Speaker 6: CCTV capture the group setting fire to three cars and
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Speaker 6: spray painting slogans on the Greensborough property just before four
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Speaker 6: am on Saturday, before fleeing on e bikes. It is
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Speaker 6: believed the business is a weapons company with links to Israel.
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Speaker 2: We don't know the answer to this, but we need
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Speaker 2: to know whether those three incidents on the same night
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Speaker 2: are connected.
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Speaker 3: Now. You'd think we'd be used to all of this
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Speaker 3: by now, but we're not.
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Speaker 2: None of this is new, although the sadness never gets easier.
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Speaker 2: It's been around six months since arsonists tried to set
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Speaker 2: allite the newtown S Cinema in Sydney, a preschool completely
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Speaker 2: destroyed in another fire bombing, while cars and buildings also
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Speaker 2: torched in Sydney's East. And it's been six months too
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Speaker 2: since the Adas Israel Synagogue in Melbourne was firebombed. So
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Speaker 2: you'll mean the first thing that hits you, it's the smell,
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Speaker 2: it's so strong, and the soot, the police tape. This
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be what it's like walking into a synagogue country.
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Speaker 2: And after that attack we heard much the same political
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Speaker 2: commentary as we have again now this must be condemned,
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Speaker 2: the full force of the law felt Adisemitism has no
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Speaker 2: place in Australia.
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Speaker 3: The same lines, and.
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Speaker 2: Yet all these months on, still no one has been
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Speaker 2: caught or arrested for fire bombing the Adas Synagogue. And
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Speaker 2: these platitudes have become meaningless, their words unmatched by action,
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Speaker 2: and the protests full of hatred continue you in Melbourne
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Speaker 2: and Sydney, most weekends, encouraged by angry political rhetoric, as
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Speaker 2: The Door Foundation's Talie Blickbau writes in The Australian Today,
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Speaker 2: every week protesters march through the streets of Melbourne calling
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Speaker 2: for interfada and revolution, and this is amplified online. Who
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Speaker 2: could be surprised that calls for uprising would lead to
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Speaker 2: actual uprising? And Jewish leader Mark Leebler makes the same point.
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Speaker 2: He writes, as long as protests accompanied by chance of
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Speaker 2: zionus to terrorists, death to the IDF, globalize the Intovada
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Speaker 2: and river to the Sea continue, violence directed at the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community and its institutions will follow. And that's why
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Speaker 2: this angry, hateful, pro Palestinian protest movement is so dangerous.
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Speaker 2: It's not peaceful expression of political speech, as many.
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Speaker 3: Try to claim.
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Speaker 2: It's cultivating and nurturing hatred against Jews. It's excusing and
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Speaker 2: justifying cruelty and violence. The perpetrators who firearm Jewish institutions
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Speaker 2: presumably intend to kill, harass, or harm Jews. They are
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Speaker 2: motivated by their hatred of Israel, a hatred the Albanezi
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Speaker 2: government perpetuates with its actions and its.
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Speaker 3: Anti Israel rhetoric.
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Speaker 2: One Israeli minister made this point formally in an official
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Speaker 2: letter to Albanizi. He wrote, this alarming climate is unfolding
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Speaker 2: under your government's watch, and is further legitimized by recent
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Speaker 2: actions to deny entry to former Israeli minister IoLET Shaked
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Speaker 2: and pro Israel advocate Hillel Ford. These choices are seen
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Speaker 2: as discriminatory and embolden those who spread hate. This is
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Speaker 2: no longer a matter of rising tensions. It is a
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Speaker 2: test of leadership, and he warns that silence sends a
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Speaker 2: dangerous message that Jewish safety is negotiable. Now, we told
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government of a clear strategy that would help
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Speaker 2: them tackle anti Semitism. That was the point of our
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Speaker 2: sky New summit in February, attended by some of the
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Speaker 2: smartest brains in the country, including Justice Michael Lee, John Howard,
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Speaker 2: Greg Craven, Holocaust survivors, the Israelian Ambassador to Australia, Mire Maimon,
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Speaker 2: the Deputy Police Commissioner Dave Hudson, former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg,
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Speaker 2: and many more, and they spoke and discussed much needed reform.
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Speaker 7: It is a great moral failing of the leadership of
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Speaker 7: at least some of our university set. Some students, to
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Speaker 7: my personal knowledge, are now afraid aid of being identified
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Speaker 7: by their fellow students.
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Speaker 8: Has been Jewish at Frosity of the seventh of October
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty three saw the largest number of Jewish people's
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Speaker 8: slaughters in the Holocaust. That's the fact that needed more
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Speaker 8: than general denunci agents.
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Speaker 2: And through this summit, along with the Executive Council of
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Speaker 2: Australian Jury, redeveloped fifteen recommendations across national security, education, the
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Speaker 2: university sector, migration, citizenships, social.
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Speaker 3: Media and more. And they included.
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Speaker 2: Declaration of a national emergency on anti Semitism and the
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Speaker 2: establishment of a Joint counter Terror Task Force. The repeal
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Speaker 2: of charity status and funding from religious and charitable institutions
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Speaker 2: if they promote racism or displayed terror symbols. Another one,
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Speaker 2: the Migration Act should be enforced or amended to ensure
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Speaker 2: antisemitic conduct is grounds to reject a visa or cal
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Speaker 2: an existing one. New social media legislation, such as algorithms
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Speaker 2: regulation laws should be introduced to counter foreign interference. There's
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Speaker 2: fifteen sensible areas of reform that would have a meaningful
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Speaker 2: impact in reducing anti Semitism.
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Speaker 9: We are calling for this plan of action to be
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Speaker 9: endorsed by both major parties and independent candidates, and for
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Speaker 9: public institutions in the private sector to work with community
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Speaker 9: for its implementation.
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Speaker 2: We did the thoughtful and meaningful work for the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: He didn't have to develop a single policy, yet he
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Speaker 2: then refused to implement any of our recommendations, not one,
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Speaker 2: so he's categorically not doing all he can. This is
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Speaker 2: what the Jewish community has asked for and he's refused
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Speaker 2: to action it. In fact, Albanezi has failed to comprehensively
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Speaker 2: address this. He didn't hold a press conference over the
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Speaker 2: weekend about these attacks in Melbourne and this is not
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Speaker 2: what leadership looks like. His fellow lifelong pro Palestinian activist
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke visited the synagogue yesterday with the dumped Jewish
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Speaker 2: former minister Mark Dreyfus, and at least Tony Burke seemed
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Speaker 2: to grasp the gravity of the situation.
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Speaker 10: Arson attacks, the chanting calls for death, other attacks and graffiti,
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Speaker 10: none of it belonged to Australia, and they were attacks
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Speaker 10: on Australia.
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Speaker 3: And this is new.
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Speaker 2: He now seems to he can see with his own
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Speaker 2: eyes what we're actually dealing with. But if he truly
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Speaker 2: wants to end this crisis, then he needs to adopt
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Speaker 2: our action points from our Antisemitism summit. As you'll recall,
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Speaker 2: when we held that summit, Mark Dreyfus accused us of
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Speaker 2: doing it for ratings.
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Speaker 11: Anti Semitism cannot and must not be weaponized in the
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Speaker 11: pursuit of votes. It must not be weaponized in the
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Speaker 11: pursuit of newspaper sales or TV ratings either.
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Speaker 2: I hope that suggestion wasn't that our newspapers or television
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Speaker 2: stations are weaponizing this, because we certainly are not.
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Speaker 3: We are defending our values.
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Speaker 2: No one who is hurting deeply from this antisemitism crisis
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Speaker 2: in Australia could possibly make such a crude suggestion. And
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Speaker 2: that's the problem with the Albanezy government. They believe this
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Speaker 2: was all confected. They didn't genuinely believe drastic action was
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Speaker 2: needed despite the multiple firebombings, the arson attacks, the torched
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Speaker 2: cars and the vandalized officers.
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Speaker 3: It's enough.
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Speaker 2: It was enough long ago, and now the Australian Jewish
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Speaker 2: community can't help. But ask is it still safe to
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Speaker 2: live here in Australia. When and where will the next
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Speaker 2: attack be? Should we be moving somewhere else to protect
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Speaker 2: our children and our families? These are the questions we're
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Speaker 2: helplessly asking in our darkest hour.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to that topic.
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Speaker 2: I've got James Patterson on the show a bit later.
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Speaker 2: Also Claire Lehman and Joe hilde Brand will talk about
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Speaker 2: it with them. Two Ray Hadley a bit late. I'm
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Speaker 2: sure he'll have something to say. But now let's turn
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Speaker 2: to the big news this afternoon, the mushroom trial in
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Speaker 2: Victoria that has sent shockwaves worldwide. After seven days of deliberations,
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Speaker 2: a jury has found Aaron Patterson guilty of murdering three
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Speaker 2: relatives of her estranged husband.
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Speaker 3: New pictures have tonight been.
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Speaker 2: Released of the leftovers of the deadly beef Wellington meal
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Speaker 2: that's the meal, also a photograph of Aaron Patterson's dining
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Speaker 2: table where her lunch guests.
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Speaker 3: Ate that fatal meal.
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Speaker 2: The jury was also shown this footage of Aaron Patterson
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Speaker 2: checking herself out of hospital after she claimed to have
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Speaker 2: eaten the deadly mushroom meal. And she was checking out
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Speaker 2: of hospital against medical advice. Yet a day earlier she
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Speaker 2: seemed fine walking into a service station where she'd bought
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Speaker 2: some food. So this was part of the footage and
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Speaker 2: the evidence that the jury considered.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in.
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Speaker 2: Now media lawyer and partner at Thompson Gear Justin Queil Justin,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time tonight. Did you
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Speaker 2: expect this verdict this afternoon based on the evidence that
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Speaker 2: was presented over the course of the trial, Look.
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Speaker 12: I probably did, but I always thought it was going
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Speaker 12: to be close, And to be frank, the longer the
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Speaker 12: deliberations went on, the more the chances that the jury
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Speaker 12: were going to find reasonable doubt in So look, if
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Speaker 12: they'd come back this afternoon and found not guilty, I
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Speaker 12: wouldn't have fallen off my chair. But I did think
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Speaker 12: it was probably more lucky than not they were going
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Speaker 12: to find her guilty.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there were a lot of lies that were
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Speaker 2: exposed on Aaron Patterson's part throughout the case, but one
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Speaker 2: thing that the Crown case never achieved was a clear.
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Speaker 3: Cut motive for the murders.
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Speaker 2: And this was something that I found interesting watching it,
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Speaker 2: because clearly she was guilty in the sense that she
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Speaker 2: did cook this deadly meal that led to the three deaths,
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Speaker 2: But what was her motive? Was this something that you
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Speaker 2: found unusual justin that the crown case wasn't able to
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Speaker 2: put forward a clear cut motive.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean there was hints around, you know, a
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Speaker 12: bit of a dispute with the husband over childcare payments
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Speaker 12: and the like, and there was some pretty basic criticism
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Speaker 12: of the victims Buyer and Patterson in some WhatsApp groups
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Speaker 12: some months earlier. That criticism was pretty mild, really when
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Speaker 12: you think about families in the middle of breakups and
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Speaker 12: divorces and what have you. So I absolutely agree the
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Speaker 12: lack of motive or lack of motive that would justify
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Speaker 12: the killing of three people and the attempted murder of
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Speaker 12: the fourth is surprising. I also thought it was surprising
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Speaker 12: in fact that the prosecution all they really did on
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Speaker 12: motive at the start of the case in opening was
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Speaker 12: say we don't need to prove motive.
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Speaker 1: And that is true.
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Speaker 12: But I did wonder whether just telling the jury we
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Speaker 12: don't need to prove it, so we're not going to
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Speaker 12: bother and don't you worry about it, whether that was
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Speaker 12: actually going to cut the mustard, and whether the jury
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Speaker 12: were going to be able to sufficiently put it out
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Speaker 12: of their minds. So it was a fascinating aspect of it,
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Speaker 12: and reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury it
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Speaker 12: was probably going to come from the lack of motive.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because she or her defense case, you know,
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Speaker 2: could have argued and as they did that, she got
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Speaker 2: the bags of mushrooms mixed up and she didn't intend
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Speaker 2: to kill them. So fascinating, and of course we're still
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Speaker 2: to see what her sentence will be.
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Speaker 3: Justin Quill really appreciate your analysis. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's return to the weekend's anti Semitic attacks,
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Speaker 2: also the rest of the day's big stories with Collette
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Speaker 2: founding editor Claire Lehmann and Sky News host Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 2: Great you, Joe, you know, we just I just want
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Speaker 2: to ask you about that point I made that every
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Speaker 2: time something happens, we have the same lines regurgitated by
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Speaker 2: the politicians, but no new action, no new reform.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: I think lumping anti semitism in with other forms of
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Speaker 13: racism or discrimination, I think is in itself a complete
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Speaker 13: failure to understand and the extremely precise nature of anti
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Speaker 13: Semitism and it's extremely specific history, a history that is
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Speaker 13: both religiously based and Christians have been the worst persecutors
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Speaker 13: of Jews throughout history until a certain Nazi dictator came along.
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Speaker 13: Not in recent times, no, but the point being that there.
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Speaker 3: Is some of our greatest allies.
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Speaker 13: That's absolutely right, and as a card currying Catholic, I'm
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Speaker 13: very glad that we are. But the point being there
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Speaker 13: has been always, throughout history been a very specific targeting
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Speaker 13: of Jewish people for very specific reasons, and that morphed into.
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Speaker 1: The horrors of the Holocaust.
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Speaker 13: So to say, you know, you know, we're going to
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Speaker 13: you know, there's been another attack on a synagogue, or
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Speaker 13: someone's running in you know, through Israeli restaurants chanting death
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Speaker 13: to the IDF because someone decided that would be a
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Speaker 13: really fun chance to start at a music festival in
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Speaker 13: front of tens.
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Speaker 1: Of thousands of people.
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Speaker 13: We're just going to clamp down on all discrimination or
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Speaker 13: all racism. It's a bit like saying, hey, you know,
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Speaker 13: we've found that the airbags don't work in Holden commodorees,
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Speaker 13: so we're going to ban all cars from the road.
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Speaker 13: What you need to do is you need to address
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Speaker 13: the very specific causes, and this is a very specific
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Speaker 13: epidemic of hatred and violence against one particular group of
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Speaker 13: the community, based on propaganda and deliberate fueling of this
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Speaker 13: by high profile people like we saw at Glass Andbury,
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Speaker 13: and that is what needs to be target and address.
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Speaker 2: And I think part of the issue is that you
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Speaker 2: have two lifelong pro Palestinian activists in Tony Burke and Albanize.
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Speaker 13: But the activists do not see Tony Burke.
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Speaker 2: Or well, he has been he has been involved in
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Speaker 2: the cause for a long time, got lots of documentation
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Speaker 2: to that effect.
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Speaker 3: Claire, you know, the part of the problem.
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Speaker 2: As I was talking about in the start of the show,
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Speaker 2: quoting Tarlie Blickbau and Mark Leebert, are these protests where
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Speaker 2: these hateful chants emerge. The argument has been free speech,
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Speaker 2: political expression, but free speech shouldn't extend.
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Speaker 3: To hate speech.
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Speaker 2: You know, we can't excuse this breeding of violence any law,
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Speaker 2: can we.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think it's telling that they're now using the
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Speaker 14: chant death to the idea if it shows that they're
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Speaker 14: not a peace movement, they're a pro war movement, a
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Speaker 14: pro death movement. And like Joe says, anti semitism is
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Speaker 14: different to racism because it's not motivated by contempt. It's
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Speaker 14: often motivated by feelings of envy. It's conspiratorial in nature.
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Speaker 14: And so the failure of our leaders isn't just the
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Speaker 14: failure of law enforcement. It's a failure to step up
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Speaker 14: and say that these conspiracy theories that you hear about
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Speaker 14: the Jewish people online, spread by high profile influences and
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Speaker 14: you know, pop stars at Gastonbury and so on, these
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Speaker 14: conspiracy theories are false. They need to say more than
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Speaker 14: simply anti Semitism has no place here. They need to
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Speaker 14: falsify the propaganda that is being spread. And as I
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Speaker 14: wrote in The Australian over the weekend, this propaganda has
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Speaker 14: been around for decades and we know from the work
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Speaker 14: of historians and from declassified CIA documents that the Soviets
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Speaker 14: funded this disinformation about Israel purposely after the nineteen sixty
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Speaker 14: seven war in order to drive a wedge in the West,
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Speaker 14: in order to hurt the West. It's not just about
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Speaker 14: hurting Israel, it's about hurting all Western nations and about
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Speaker 14: attacking Western values. And so there really needs to be
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Speaker 14: more of a concerted effort to counter this disinformation. And
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Speaker 14: I just I don't see any real leadership or any
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Speaker 14: effort to do so at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And in more recent times. Of course, some of that
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Speaker 2: has been funded by the iigc Iran of course, and
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Speaker 2: the kataris well, there's still foreign at play here.
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Speaker 13: Interesting point, Bob Villain, the group that's chanted death Death
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Speaker 13: to the IDF. In other footage that hasn't been as
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Speaker 13: widely circulated, they actually brag about supporting violence. They say,
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Speaker 13: quote unquote, we are not passive. He says, there's a
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Speaker 13: lot of passive and that's me an.
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Speaker 3: Update on this.
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Speaker 14: Happily, there's a clip of them saying, we want every
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Speaker 14: idea of soldier to die.
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Speaker 3: It's not like a metaphor.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 13: So they actually brag about supporting violence. Interestingly though, in
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Speaker 13: proof of just what a performative wank fest this is
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Speaker 13: and how gutless they are. Of course, they don't follow
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Speaker 13: through of that. They're not the ones putting their own
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Speaker 13: lives on the line or actually having to endure or
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Speaker 13: even see the violence.
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Speaker 1: They're just supporting other people and aligning themselves with that's right.
23:35
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just street.
23:37
Speaker 13: It's extremely dangerous and reckless virtue signaling basically, all.
23:42
Speaker 2: Right, let's have a look at alban Easy, because he
23:44
Speaker 2: seems to be putting Australia's alliance with America into question
23:48
Speaker 2: over the weekend with a speech that took a subtle
23:51
Speaker 2: swipe at Trump. This is what Albinizi had to say
23:54
Speaker 2: when he was speaking at the John Curtain Research Center.
23:58
Speaker 15: Curtain's famous state that Australia looked to America was much
24:03
Speaker 15: more than the idea of trading one strategic guaranteur for another, well,
24:09
Speaker 15: swapping an alliance with the old world for one with
24:13
Speaker 15: the new. There was a recognition that Australia's fate would
24:17
Speaker 15: be decided in our region.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Joe, it seems like Albanize is further jeopardizing
24:25
Speaker 2: Australia's alliance with the United States.
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Speaker 13: I think this might be one of those sort of
24:29
Speaker 13: magic eye things where you see what you want to
24:31
Speaker 13: see is that.
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Speaker 1: The rawsch actess.
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Speaker 13: I was in the room on Saturday night when he
24:35
Speaker 13: made that speech.
24:36
Speaker 1: That speech was.
24:37
Speaker 3: Made as a friend, as a.
24:39
Speaker 13: Guest of the John Curtin Research Center, and as a
24:42
Speaker 13: guest of Nick Dironfirth, who was the director of the
24:44
Speaker 13: John Curtin Research Center.
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Speaker 1: He is a very proud Jew.
24:50
Speaker 13: On the show, and he's obviously in the senior figure
24:54
Speaker 13: in the Labor Party. I was sitting next to him,
24:56
Speaker 13: literally right next to him as his guest, as albot
24:58
Speaker 13: was giving the speech, and there was certain not a
25:01
Speaker 13: sense that there was no sort of sense in the
25:03
Speaker 13: ruin that this is Albanese distancing himself from the US
25:07
Speaker 13: or flipping the bird of the US or anything like that.
25:09
Speaker 13: This was simply saying that he would put Australia's geostrategic
25:14
Speaker 13: interests front center.
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Speaker 2: Foreign editor Greg Sheridan in The Australia has taken a
25:18
Speaker 2: different view and it's reinforced by the fact that Albanese
25:22
Speaker 2: is preparing for his fourth meeting with President. She hasn't
25:24
Speaker 2: managed to secure meeting with Trump despite the fact he
25:27
Speaker 2: was elected in November.
25:28
Speaker 14: Clay, Yeah, I think these things are a bit tricky,
25:31
Speaker 14: and when it comes to foreign policy, we have to
25:33
Speaker 14: see look at what leaders do, not what they say.
25:37
Speaker 14: And Urbanese is not substantially increasing our spending on defense,
25:42
Speaker 14: and if we were actually disentangling ourselves or distancing ourselves
25:47
Speaker 14: from the US, we would we seeing a massive ramp
25:50
Speaker 14: up in defense spending. The only way we can have
25:53
Speaker 14: things like the ndis in our generous welfare state is
25:56
Speaker 14: because we live under the protection of the US security umbrella.
26:01
Speaker 14: If we distance ourselves from that, well then it's funding
26:05
Speaker 14: from schools, funding from hospitals into our defense. And so
26:09
Speaker 14: that's not going to happen. And so I think, you know,
26:12
Speaker 14: we've got to be clear on who the audience is.
26:15
Speaker 14: And probably Albanezi was just focusing on the audience in
26:18
Speaker 14: that room, a local, domestic audience, and he's probably not
26:22
Speaker 14: trying to telegraph anything too serious over to the Americans.
26:26
Speaker 3: I think if there was.
26:27
Speaker 14: Any serious movement towards a different foreign policy, we'd be
26:31
Speaker 14: seeing a far different budget than we are at the moment.
26:35
Speaker 2: But there's no doubt that he has zero relationship with
26:38
Speaker 2: the President.
26:39
Speaker 3: Of the United States. I mean it's almost unheard of.
26:43
Speaker 14: Yeah, but I mean there's going to be a great
26:46
Speaker 14: deal of diplomats and other professionals in the so called
26:50
Speaker 14: deep state. He was still going to be on the
26:54
Speaker 14: phone and you know, keeping up the relationship between the
26:57
Speaker 14: two nations.
26:59
Speaker 2: Right whether they can get any positive outcomes, because I somehow.
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Speaker 3: Doubt can be doing.
27:06
Speaker 13: Eventually they will meet and I think there will be
27:08
Speaker 13: an increase in Australia's defense spending and Trump will come
27:11
Speaker 13: out and say yes, we support UCARST. So I think
27:13
Speaker 13: all that movement that people are looking for, that is
27:15
Speaker 13: what the meeting will be there to generate, and so
27:17
Speaker 13: they can both come out and to clear that the
27:19
Speaker 13: deal's been done and everyone's a winner, winner.
27:21
Speaker 1: A great deal.
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Speaker 3: I've heard it here first.
27:23
Speaker 2: Thanks Joe, see you later on the late debate and
27:26
Speaker 2: thanks so much, Claire.
27:27
Speaker 3: Thanks you.
27:28
Speaker 2: Now returning now to the anti Semitic attacks on the weekend,
27:32
Speaker 2: let's bring in Liberal Senator James Patterson. James, thank you
27:35
Speaker 2: very much for your time tonight, and you've been one
27:39
Speaker 2: of the strongest figures in the coalition on this issue,
27:41
Speaker 2: which is why I am so keen to speak to
27:43
Speaker 2: you this evening. The Jacinta Alan government has now announced
27:48
Speaker 2: an anti.
27:49
Speaker 3: Hate task force.
27:51
Speaker 2: Do you think this is good enough at this point?
27:54
Speaker 2: More reviews when really we know what needs to be done.
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Speaker 16: Of course it's not good enough, Shari, And honestly, wasn't
28:03
Speaker 16: the fire bombing of the Dass Israel Synagogue last year
28:05
Speaker 16: enough for Cintererellen to realize that this was a serious
28:08
Speaker 16: crisis in Victoria? And indeed a serious crisis in our country.
28:12
Speaker 16: Why did it require the fire bombing of a second
28:14
Speaker 16: synagogue for her to establish a task force that will
28:17
Speaker 16: probably make the same recommendations that the Executive Council of
28:20
Speaker 16: Australia in Jury and others have made for the action
28:23
Speaker 16: which is required to combat this issue. I think the
28:26
Speaker 16: Allen government here in Victoria is guilty of the same
28:28
Speaker 16: thing that the Albanezi government is guilty of, which is
28:31
Speaker 16: they thought that anti Semitism would go away on its own,
28:35
Speaker 16: that it wouldn't require leadership, that it wouldn't require action,
28:37
Speaker 16: that it wouldn't require fortitude, that it wouldn't require strength,
28:40
Speaker 16: that if they just let it be, that it would
28:43
Speaker 16: eventually die acquiet death and go away and wouldn't be
28:46
Speaker 16: a problem anymore. I hope they have now been absolved
28:49
Speaker 16: of that false assumption, because this is a crisis, it's
28:53
Speaker 16: an ongoing one, it's getting worse, and it requires leadership
28:56
Speaker 16: and action.
28:56
Speaker 2: Now, James, you're very close to the Jewish community, so
29:00
Speaker 2: you would know what I said at the end of
29:02
Speaker 2: my editorial earlier is true that there are many Australian
29:06
Speaker 2: Jews questioning how safe life now is in our country,
29:12
Speaker 2: how safe people feel going to a synagogue, going to
29:14
Speaker 2: a restaurant that is owned by Jews or serves Israeli food.
29:21
Speaker 2: You know there are people leaving or thinking about leaving.
29:24
Speaker 2: How have we come to this as a nation?
29:29
Speaker 16: You're right, Chari, this is a sentiment which unfortunately I
29:31
Speaker 16: do here from the Jewish community in Australia and here
29:35
Speaker 16: in Melbourne, and I urge Australian Jews to stay committed
29:38
Speaker 16: to our country because we are a better country with
29:41
Speaker 16: you as part of it, and will be a far
29:42
Speaker 16: worse country if you ever feel you have to leave it.
29:45
Speaker 16: And frankly, if this country ever becomes unsafe for Jews,
29:48
Speaker 16: well then it's unsafe for me and my family and
29:50
Speaker 16: my friends and my community too. I don't want to
29:53
Speaker 16: be part of a country that's not safe for Jews.
29:55
Speaker 16: So we all have to band together and we have
29:57
Speaker 16: to fight to make it so, and we have to
30:00
Speaker 16: have expectations of our government that they will lead, that
30:02
Speaker 16: they will take action like you. I do give Tony
30:04
Speaker 16: Burk credit for a better response to this incident than
30:08
Speaker 16: the ADUs Israel synagogue. It took him almost a week
30:11
Speaker 16: to visit the Dudas Synagogue. He did no press conference.
30:13
Speaker 16: There wasn't even a social media post. This time, within
30:16
Speaker 16: forty eight hours he turned up. He held a press
30:18
Speaker 16: conference and his words I think were strong and they
30:20
Speaker 16: appeared to be heartfelt. But I will judge him by
30:22
Speaker 16: his deeds and his actions, not just by his words.
30:25
Speaker 16: And he could do well to go back to the
30:27
Speaker 16: Executive Council of Australian Jury's letter after the Sky News
30:30
Speaker 16: Anti Semitism summuch that contain those fifteen policy ideas, many
30:34
Speaker 16: which relate to him and his portfolio, including stripping the
30:39
Speaker 16: funding for organizations involved in promoting anti Semitism, Because, as
30:44
Speaker 16: Talli Blueberk have said in The Australian Today, this is
30:47
Speaker 16: not just about enforcement, law and consequences, which of course
30:49
Speaker 16: it is. It is also about the culture that leads
30:53
Speaker 16: to these attitudes festering. And if you let these organizations
30:56
Speaker 16: which promote hate and promote anti Semitism receive taxpayers money,
31:00
Speaker 16: then you're implying an endorsement of it. No wonder it
31:02
Speaker 16: gets so out of control.
31:04
Speaker 3: No.
31:04
Speaker 2: Indeed, a couple of other things I want to ask
31:07
Speaker 2: you about. One is the Israeli government's strong rebuke really
31:11
Speaker 2: measurement Natiyaho weighed in on this. He released a statement
31:14
Speaker 2: demanding the Australian government take action to deal with the
31:17
Speaker 2: rioters to the fullest extend of the law. But which
31:21
Speaker 2: leads me to the second point. This death to the
31:23
Speaker 2: IDF chant. It's more transparent than from the river to
31:27
Speaker 2: the sea. Does it need to immediately be deemed hate speech?
31:35
Speaker 16: Well, the ugly face of the anti Israel movement is
31:38
Speaker 16: revealing itself every day more and more clearly in the community.
31:41
Speaker 16: If there was any doubt left about that, I think
31:43
Speaker 16: that doubt has now been removed. They want to terrorize Jews,
31:46
Speaker 16: they want them to feel unsafe. They're willing to go
31:48
Speaker 16: and protest aggressively, almost violently at restaurants as well as
31:53
Speaker 16: synagogues in order to achieve that aim. And they're being
31:56
Speaker 16: very clear that peace is not their objective. Now you
31:58
Speaker 16: and I always knew that peace wasn't they're objective, but
32:00
Speaker 16: they're making that very clear with those chances, and there
32:03
Speaker 16: has to be real consequences. I think that chance should
32:05
Speaker 16: be examined as to whether it or not constitutes incitement
32:08
Speaker 16: to violence. It seems pretty clear to me that the
32:11
Speaker 16: intent is to incite violence and while sometimes they're careful
32:14
Speaker 16: with their language and they say the IDF instead of Israelis,
32:17
Speaker 16: or they say Zionists instead of Jews, I think we
32:20
Speaker 16: all know what's underlying.
32:21
Speaker 2: That, particularly when the actions speak louder than the words
32:25
Speaker 2: and the places.
32:26
Speaker 3: They are targeting.
32:26
Speaker 2: Are you know, a synagogue, a Jewish place of worship,
32:30
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Israel?
32:32
Speaker 3: James Patterson, thank you so much, appreciate your clarity as always,
32:36
Speaker 3: Thank you.
32:37
Speaker 2: All Right, coming up, the devastating floods in Texas, Elon
32:41
Speaker 2: Musk's new political party.
32:42
Speaker 3: And Trump's tariff deadline.
32:44
Speaker 2: We'll talk about all of that with Koshagada, plus Ray
32:47
Speaker 2: Hadley's on the desk. We'll see what he thinks of
32:49
Speaker 2: the Aaron Patterson guilty verdict.
32:51
Speaker 3: That's after this quick break.
32:56
Speaker 2: Welcome back, and let's bring in now our Monday regular
32:59
Speaker 2: Radio Laga and Ray Hardley.
33:01
Speaker 3: Ray.
33:01
Speaker 2: So much to talk about, and I want to start
33:04
Speaker 2: with the Aaron Pattison guilty verdict. Guilty, guilty, guilty. She
33:08
Speaker 2: was found to have murdered these three people by the jury.
33:11
Speaker 3: What did you did you think she was guilty the
33:13
Speaker 3: whole time?
33:14
Speaker 5: Well, obviously it's difficult when you're not in the court room.
33:17
Speaker 5: You know, you read the evidence, but you don't hear
33:19
Speaker 5: how it's presented. I listened to Justin Quill, who's wonderful
33:24
Speaker 5: lawyer in fact has represented me on many occasions in defamation.
33:27
Speaker 1: Preceding mister Quill, and I heard him in the past.
33:31
Speaker 5: Yes, hopefully no more anyway, sorry, Justin anyway, I heard
33:36
Speaker 5: him say that he wouldn't have been surprised either way
33:39
Speaker 5: it went.
33:40
Speaker 1: It's unanimous.
33:41
Speaker 5: But she's guilty of killing three people and attempting to
33:43
Speaker 5: kill another person. And if you go through the key
33:47
Speaker 5: evidence as I have this evening after the guilty finding,
33:50
Speaker 5: it's hard to.
33:52
Speaker 1: Not agree with the jury that it was ananimous verdict.
33:55
Speaker 5: The next phase, of course, the sentencing, which will obviously
33:58
Speaker 5: given us a triple murder, be a very long since,
34:00
Speaker 5: one would imagine.
34:01
Speaker 2: I just always wondered why, you know, obviously she made
34:05
Speaker 2: the deadly meal, but what was her motivations pill the
34:08
Speaker 2: in laws who were helping her with the children they
34:11
Speaker 2: were babysitting. I just find that really odd, unless you know,
34:15
Speaker 2: there was just something unusual.
34:17
Speaker 3: Going on in her mind.
34:18
Speaker 5: I think given the weight of evidence of a whole
34:21
Speaker 5: range of things that happened after the murders. There was
34:25
Speaker 5: certainly something going on in her mind, and we caun't
34:27
Speaker 5: sort of venture it was the madness perhaps, yes.
34:32
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed now I when I ask your view on
34:35
Speaker 2: you know, I was having this conversation with Johide brand Claire.
34:37
Speaker 1: I heard it outside.
34:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Alban Easy is surely completely damaging our
34:43
Speaker 2: relationship with the United States.
34:46
Speaker 3: And and he's closer to China.
34:48
Speaker 5: Now, he was about to have his fourth visit with
34:50
Speaker 5: the Chinese leader. He hasn't cracked it for a chat
34:52
Speaker 5: with Donald Trump yet. But it all started with sending
34:56
Speaker 5: Penny Wong.
34:57
Speaker 1: He might as well have sent me.
35:00
Speaker 5: All the good she did over there, as useful as
35:03
Speaker 5: a sun roof and a submarine. Penny trying to deal
35:06
Speaker 5: with the Americans, and after her views on Gaza and
35:09
Speaker 5: the rest of it, and putting herself at id with
35:11
Speaker 5: the Americans over a whole range of things, and now
35:14
Speaker 5: this oration over the course of the weekend with Greg Sheridan,
35:18
Speaker 5: and I have a huge respect for Gregor is a
35:20
Speaker 5: regular guest on my program when I was still doing it,
35:24
Speaker 5: and his analysis of it is just spot on. Without
35:29
Speaker 5: even thinking he's done really significant damage on the eve
35:33
Speaker 5: of debate about tariffs.
35:36
Speaker 1: Orcus and a whole range of things.
35:37
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think the Prime Minister really understands
35:41
Speaker 5: how Donald Trump feels about the Ambassador Kevin Rudd, let
35:45
Speaker 5: alone how he might feel about him. They're from the
35:47
Speaker 5: opper side of politics, so you'll be doing your best.
35:50
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a simple fact that from nineteen forty
35:53
Speaker 5: one and just beyond that, we relied heavily on the
35:56
Speaker 5: Americans and the Pacific, and if we getting strife again
35:59
Speaker 5: from our northern neighbors, we're going to have to rely
36:01
Speaker 5: upon them again and we need to have a really
36:03
Speaker 5: good relationship with them.
36:04
Speaker 2: Exactly if for whatever reason Alberiz he not needs to
36:07
Speaker 2: call in a favor from Trump, well he's got no
36:10
Speaker 2: relationship to speak of. And you know, you can't overstate
36:13
Speaker 2: the fact that it has been eight months since Donald
36:16
Speaker 2: Trump was elected and Albertiz he's got no meeting, no relationship.
36:19
Speaker 2: And you look how the labor Prime Minister in the UK, Kirstarma.
36:23
Speaker 3: Has handled it.
36:24
Speaker 2: And he's a lefty as well, and he handed it
36:26
Speaker 2: so well.
36:27
Speaker 1: It's probably even more lefty.
36:28
Speaker 5: But yeah, great, Sheridan makes the point that he talks
36:31
Speaker 5: about defending ourselves.
36:34
Speaker 1: I mean, have you looked at a defense budget lately?
36:38
Speaker 5: We might as well get robots like they did in
36:40
Speaker 5: seven and eighty eight and go outside the heads and
36:43
Speaker 5: go up a Hawksbury or something.
36:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
36:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, in all sorts of trouble. But now that's not
36:47
Speaker 1: going to change.
36:48
Speaker 2: The Australian Round the story this Afternoon by Steve Jackson
36:51
Speaker 2: that Eite Butchros is penning a memoir which includes her
36:56
Speaker 2: time at the ABC. It's going to be out in October.
36:58
Speaker 2: I think it's called and Apologetically iter. I think the
37:02
Speaker 2: title is from memory.
37:05
Speaker 3: So do you think it's going to be a.
37:06
Speaker 2: Bit of a tell all about what happened behind the
37:08
Speaker 2: scenes at the public broadcaster?
37:10
Speaker 5: Well, given that Ida has spent almost sixty years in
37:13
Speaker 5: the media, I'd think there's things that she would reveal
37:18
Speaker 5: that haven't been revealed previously pre the ABC. Let alone
37:22
Speaker 5: post the ABC, I had a short journey with her
37:26
Speaker 5: in about eighty two or eighty three, showing my age
37:29
Speaker 5: when she was presenting a program on two UI where
37:32
Speaker 5: I was a lowly placed race caller and not for long. Well,
37:37
Speaker 5: things changed dramatically over the years, but she was always
37:41
Speaker 5: courteous and always polite to the younger people around the place,
37:44
Speaker 5: including men.
37:44
Speaker 1: I've had a great deal of.
37:45
Speaker 5: Respect and time for her, and I guess that I'll
37:48
Speaker 5: be one of those people. October twenty eight to thing
37:51
Speaker 5: is released, along with a lot of ABC types, will
37:54
Speaker 5: be most concerned about what I have got to say, because.
37:57
Speaker 1: One thing I know about her she speaks to mine fourth.
38:00
Speaker 3: That's right exactly. By the way, She's been very good
38:03
Speaker 3: to me over the years.
38:04
Speaker 2: When I was clear magazine editor, she came over to
38:06
Speaker 2: my house, gave me advice, helped me out with my
38:09
Speaker 2: magazine covers, very generous.
38:12
Speaker 5: I think that she's made a focus of her life
38:14
Speaker 5: of helping young women with ability, and obviously you're one
38:19
Speaker 5: of those young women that benefited by her advice. And
38:23
Speaker 5: I think she's a fantastic lady. And I'm looking forward
38:25
Speaker 5: to the book and I hope she gives it the
38:26
Speaker 5: ABC in space.
38:28
Speaker 3: No, indeed, I hope she does as well. Now I
38:30
Speaker 3: have to ask you your view.
38:32
Speaker 2: On what is being mishandled when it comes to the
38:35
Speaker 2: anti savitism crisis in this country. How are we still
38:38
Speaker 2: speaking about this, you know, twenty one months after it
38:41
Speaker 2: first kicked off with vigor.
38:44
Speaker 5: Well, we could all be embarrassed at what's happened since
38:48
Speaker 5: with all these protests. But I was reading some stuff
38:51
Speaker 5: this morning about what happened in Melbourne on two separate
38:54
Speaker 5: occasions over the last week, and Krystal Mark got a mention.
39:00
Speaker 1: Now, no one at the.
39:01
Speaker 5: Protests would have a clue what Crystal Mark would mean,
39:04
Speaker 5: and I'd strongly suggest to them go to Google, get
39:07
Speaker 5: the good doctor Google out and have a look.
39:09
Speaker 1: Crystal Nark was a.
39:11
Speaker 5: Period in the nineteen thirties when Nazi Germany declared war
39:16
Speaker 5: on Jewish businesses and rampage through cities, destroying those businesses
39:22
Speaker 5: and destroying those people's livelihoods to try and in some
39:26
Speaker 5: way destroy them as a race. They almost succeeded, to
39:30
Speaker 5: the tune of six million people being exterminated during World
39:34
Speaker 5: War II. So to those ninkh and poops, those dunderheads
39:39
Speaker 5: who weren't around then, and not many of us were,
39:42
Speaker 5: but haven't read the history books about Crystal Nark, Think
39:44
Speaker 5: about what you did at that restaurant in Melbourne, and
39:48
Speaker 5: think about what the Nazis did in the nineteen thirties,
39:51
Speaker 5: and then you'll have some sort of idea of what
39:54
Speaker 5: policy you're following.
39:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well said, couldn't agree more. And it has for
40:01
Speaker 2: the Holocaust survivors who are alive, it does bring back
40:05
Speaker 2: similarities and the trauma, the intergenerational trauma.
40:09
Speaker 5: You know, look, little wonderful country, but it's been a
40:13
Speaker 5: blight on our society since October seven.
40:17
Speaker 1: And one thing I will say.
40:19
Speaker 5: If I see Tony Burke talking out the side of
40:22
Speaker 5: his mouth one more time about how dreadfulness is. You
40:25
Speaker 5: should have been saying this on October eight, nine and ten,
40:28
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, not down the track and
40:31
Speaker 5: trying to make out you're on the side of the
40:32
Speaker 5: Jewish faith.
40:33
Speaker 1: Mister Burke, because you're not.
40:35
Speaker 5: You've been missing in action, and you discuss me with
40:38
Speaker 5: your attempts to try and make up for your past wrongs.
40:41
Speaker 5: It's dreadful, and Tony Burke hang your head in shame.
40:47
Speaker 3: Well said.
40:47
Speaker 2: He's the Multicultural in Fairs Minister, he's the one in
40:51
Speaker 2: charge of all of this, and the Home Affairs minister.
40:53
Speaker 3: Now it's appalling, and you're right.
40:57
Speaker 2: The fact that he's now speaking up is just a
40:59
Speaker 2: re action of how bad the situation is. That he's
41:02
Speaker 2: now realizing that the gravity of it.
41:05
Speaker 5: He's been dragged kicking and screaming, I'm sure to the
41:08
Speaker 5: cameras because deep in the review of his mind, he
41:12
Speaker 5: doesn't mean what he says about the thing that Jewish faith.
41:15
Speaker 5: He never has, never has, insincerities dripping from every pore.
41:20
Speaker 1: Sorry if I've got a bit cranky, but it does
41:23
Speaker 1: make me cranky.
41:24
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for your for your anger and your fire.
41:27
Speaker 2: Wish you was still on the air in the morning
41:29
Speaker 2: to fire up at them all, but at least you're
41:30
Speaker 2: doing it here.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: Ray, I get the vent by Anger one night.
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Speaker 3: Awak, yeah, please hold on to it all right.
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Speaker 2: Still to come, we'll get the latest from the floods
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Speaker 2: in Texas. People children still missing, plus Elon Musk's new
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Speaker 2: political party.
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Speaker 3: That's after the break.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, and let's turn now to the devastating floods
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Speaker 2: in Texas and Sky News contributed Kosher Garda joins me. Now, Kosher,
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Speaker 2: we know the death tolls now stands at eighty two.
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Speaker 2: At least forty one people are still missing. But the
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Speaker 2: question is, how did this escalate so quickly before any
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Speaker 2: evacuation orders could be issued?
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Speaker 3: How did it get to this point.
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Speaker 17: That Shah is definitely one of the main questions everybody's asking.
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Speaker 17: It seems like really a force of nature, just the
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Speaker 17: speed and intensity with which the rainfall came. The weather
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Speaker 17: forecast did not predict it accurately, the timing was very unlucky,
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Speaker 17: and that the bulk of the rain happened at four
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Speaker 17: or five o'clock in the morning, when most people were
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Speaker 17: asleep and maybe not where or paying attention to evacuation
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Speaker 17: orders that started to come in from the weather system
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Speaker 17: and other authorities, and the rainfall just it was so
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Speaker 17: dramatic that it was something like thirty inches or so
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Speaker 17: is how much thirty feet I'm sorry, is how much
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Speaker 17: it accumulated in under the span of an hour. So
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Speaker 17: just sort of caught people off guard. And from that
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Speaker 17: point you're swimming upstream unfortunately figuratively and literally, and it's
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Speaker 17: just pure devastation. So much life has been lost.
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Speaker 2: And what's so devastating about this is in the US,
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Speaker 2: summer camps are a very big thing, and many of
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Speaker 2: those who are missing or even were killed, we're children
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Speaker 2: on a summer camp.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, so it's a camp called Mystic Camp in this
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Speaker 17: area in Central Texas is really beautiful. It's sort of
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Speaker 17: a valley, it's very mountainous around it, and it's a
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Speaker 17: popular place for camps, including summer camp. Twenty eight children
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Speaker 17: out of that depth toll are our children from ages
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Speaker 17: as young as six to sixteen, and there is search
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Speaker 17: and rescue missions going on right now, and something like
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Speaker 17: eleven of the people that we still have missing are
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Speaker 17: still unfortunately very young children. So it's just really really sad.
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Speaker 17: These people are at summer camp and sleeping in their
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Speaker 17: campers where this rainfall just came kind of out of
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Speaker 17: nowhere and just snuck up on them.
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Speaker 3: It's just so devastating.
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Speaker 2: And there's an expected twenty five to seventy five millimeters
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Speaker 2: more rain expected in the coming day, so that is
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Speaker 2: hopefully the situation doesn't get worse. At least people are
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Speaker 2: prepared now, but you know, for those missing, just terrible.
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Speaker 2: And now, Koach, I want to ask you about Elon
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Speaker 2: Musk's new political party. He's calling it America, the America Party.
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Speaker 2: Trump has responded to it. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 12: I think it's.
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Speaker 18: Ridiculous to start a third party. We have a tremendous
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Speaker 18: success with the Republican party. The Democrats have lost their way,
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Speaker 18: but it's always been a two party system, and I
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Speaker 18: think starting a third party just hands to confusion.
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Speaker 2: I mean, koshar I thought their feud wouldn't last long
44:39
Speaker 2: and they'd sought it out because this is just embarrassing
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Speaker 2: taking place in the world stage, and it's affecting Tesla's
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Speaker 2: stock as well.
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Speaker 17: Yes, this is you know, people have liken it to
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Speaker 17: Godzilla versus King Kong, where they just studies two big
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Speaker 17: juggernaut figures. And I also thought, like, you're sorry that
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Speaker 17: it was just words and rhetorical back and forth. But
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Speaker 17: he does seem to be doubling down with this. Where
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Speaker 17: Trump is coming from with that statement is in the US,
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Speaker 17: which is a winner take all system. Third parties never win.
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Speaker 17: They've historically never ever won. It's never going to work
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Speaker 17: in terms of gaining control of the government. But what
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Speaker 17: it can do is be a spoiler or an influencer,
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Speaker 17: a cannibalization effect for one of the two parties. It's
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Speaker 17: happened a couple of times in history, Ross Perot in
45:22
Speaker 17: nineteen ninety two. It's widely regarded was a big factor
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Speaker 17: in Clinton's victory over Bush. The Elder and back in
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Speaker 17: the eighteen fifties, Millard Fillmore actually got the highest number
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Speaker 17: of the popular vote in US history and is regarded
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Speaker 17: to a cannibalized Republican Party then as well. So I
45:37
Speaker 17: think that's the concern that Trump is raising. If he
45:39
Speaker 17: were to do this, could cannibalize and maybe hand victory
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Speaker 17: to the Democrats, and if not in the presidential in
45:45
Speaker 17: the upcoming midterms. But we shall see if Musk is
45:47
Speaker 17: serious or if it's still just rhetoric.
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Speaker 3: All right, Kasha Gott, I really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, And after the break, just Into Alan is
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Speaker 2: poised to win the next election despite.
45:57
Speaker 3: Chaos in Melbourne. That's next. Welcome back and let's bring
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Speaker 3: it now.
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Speaker 2: Anti Defamation Commission Chairman devere Abrahma Viktavia, thank you for
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Speaker 2: joining us.
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Speaker 3: The polls are.
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Speaker 2: Showing Victorian premierges Into Alan is the favorite to win
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Speaker 2: the vic state election. This is despite chaos in her state,
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Speaker 2: not the least of which was the events of Friday night.
46:22
Speaker 2: She didn't bother to turn up to the synagogue right away.
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Speaker 2: Still no arrests for the dast fire bombing back in December.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the state government's response has been good
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Speaker 2: enough here.
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Speaker 19: Before I get to that, and thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 19: Driving on the way here, I was reminded of Charles
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Speaker 19: the Golden form of French president. He wrote a book,
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Speaker 19: a memoir, and the first line was, I've always had
46:47
Speaker 19: a certain idea about France, and I've lived here for
46:50
Speaker 19: thirty nine years, Shari, and I had a certain idea
46:53
Speaker 19: about Australia as an open, tolerant, welcoming, safe country for Jews.
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Speaker 19: But that if no longer holds. It's been absolutely shattered
47:03
Speaker 19: and it's clear to me and it's clear to everyone.
47:05
Speaker 19: I think that something very bad is happening. And I've
47:08
Speaker 19: spoken to Holocaust survivors who came here after the war
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Speaker 19: and they said to me that in living memory, they've
47:14
Speaker 19: never seen an expression and the levels of antisemitism that
47:18
Speaker 19: we are seeing today, you know, the tsunami of antisemitism
47:22
Speaker 19: has been rising since October seven. And what happened over
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Speaker 19: the weekend, the incidents at is Melbourne Synagogue and the
47:29
Speaker 19: mis known restaurant, was simply plunging the knife even deeper
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Speaker 19: into the heart of every Jew. And yes, I welcome
47:37
Speaker 19: the establishment of the task Force by a Premier Cina Allen.
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Speaker 19: But I hope that it's a task force of action,
47:45
Speaker 19: not just press releases. We are getting to a point,
47:47
Speaker 19: and I want your listeners and your viewers to hear this.
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Speaker 19: We are getting to a point that being Jewish in Australia,
47:54
Speaker 19: going into a synagogue we're a star of David Oriyamica.
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Speaker 19: Going into an Israeli restaurant, even owning a Jewish business
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Speaker 19: means that you ask yourself, will I get home tonight?
48:05
Speaker 19: Will I end up in hospital? And being Jewish shouldn't
48:08
Speaker 19: carry a risk assessment and it shouldn't mean that you
48:12
Speaker 19: have a target on your back. But that's the terrifying
48:15
Speaker 19: situation that we find ourselves in.
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Speaker 2: So with this crisis of social cohesion across Australia, but
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Speaker 2: particularly acute in Victoria, everything else that's going wrong with
48:27
Speaker 2: the state, the budget, transport. You know, is it difficult
48:33
Speaker 2: to understand why the polls are saying that Jacinta Allen
48:37
Speaker 2: is set to be returned.
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Speaker 19: Look, I'm not sure about you know, the political punditary.
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Speaker 19: All I know is that for too long we've had
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Speaker 19: elected leaders, not just in Victoria but across the country
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Speaker 19: is accusing the violent rhetoric. There are people out there
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Speaker 19: shari who revise Zionism that they've lost sight of the
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Speaker 19: fact that we are human. They legitimize us, they defame,
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Speaker 19: they dehumanize us, and they turn us into objects of hatred.
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Speaker 1: And guess what.
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Speaker 19: When you turn people into objects of hatred, you declare
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Speaker 19: open season on the Jewish community. And it's not a
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Speaker 19: surprise that people feel that we are fair game for
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Speaker 19: violence and for harassment and for intimidation.
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Speaker 3: No, indeed, it is.
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Speaker 2: And I should mention that crime broadly is a serious
49:24
Speaker 2: issue in Victoria as well.
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Speaker 3: You know, of course we.
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Speaker 2: Have seen this extreme anti Semitic violence on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: but crime has been plaguing the state from mastevere Abramovich,
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Thank you so much, all right, and
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Speaker 2: thank you for your company tonight.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now,
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Speaker 3: here's Paul Murray no man Cave