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Body Bags | Sweet Grandmother Has Arm Torn Off During Carjacking, But Where is the Blood · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. My grandmother, her name
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Speaker 1: was Pearl. Pearl Morgan is her name, and she essentially
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Speaker 1: raised me. She taught me everything I knew about our
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Speaker 1: family history, the history of where our family had come from,
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Speaker 1: the branches of our family that had settled throughout Mississippi
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Speaker 1: and South Louisiana, and I embraced that even as a
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Speaker 1: small child. Learning from her, I learned the value of
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Speaker 1: having a meal cooked by her, and certainly now at
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Speaker 1: this stage in my life, I missed that almost more
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Speaker 1: than anything I can imagine. And in her kitchen always
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Speaker 1: had a particular life of its own because that's where
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Speaker 1: the family gathered. Her sisters would come by every day
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Speaker 1: to eat lunch there. She had four of them. Her
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Speaker 1: brother couldn't show up because well, he was a homicide victim,
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Speaker 1: and I was named after him. But my grandmother left
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Speaker 1: something with me that I shall never forget, and that
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Speaker 1: was the soothing, gentle touch of her hand, whether it
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Speaker 1: was whether it was me being sick or needing comforting
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Speaker 1: during tough times with my parents not around. But I
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Speaker 1: remember the way her hands looked, I remember the way
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Speaker 1: they felt when she would tell me that everything was
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Speaker 1: going to be okay. Today, I'm going to talk about
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Speaker 1: another grandmother, a grandmother from my hometown of New Orleans, Louisiana,
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Speaker 1: a lady who died quite arguably one of the most
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Speaker 1: brutal deaths that we can possibly imagine, and she was
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Speaker 1: loved by her children and her grandchildren. That lady's name
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Speaker 1: is Linda Frickey. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is
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Speaker 1: body David. I don't normally do this, but I kind
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Speaker 1: of gave myself a chill and I was sitting here
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Speaker 1: and I was thinking about my grandmother, and it draws
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Speaker 1: up such emotion for me that when you live, you
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Speaker 1: live a life that is a good life, and those
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Speaker 1: that are around you love you more than gold. You
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Speaker 1: deserve better than to be robbed of that life and
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Speaker 1: taken away from those who have so much value placed
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Speaker 1: in you in the life that you live and what
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Speaker 1: you've done for them. And I could not I've debated
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Speaker 1: about this case for several weeks. We've talked about it previously.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know if I wanted to cover it, but
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Speaker 1: I just feel compelled to say something because I'm afraid
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Speaker 1: that this is going to be forgotten. And I don't
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Speaker 1: want this to be forgotten because it is so horrible.
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Speaker 1: It is a stain on my hometown. And there's a
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Speaker 1: lot that goes on down there that I know, it's
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Speaker 1: very dangerous. But this, even even with all of the
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Speaker 1: violence that weaves its health in and out of New Orleans, now,
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Speaker 1: this case, my God, Dave, this case, just it it
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Speaker 1: stands out. I don't know of anything more horrific than that.
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Speaker 2: You know, Joe, so many times in a crime story,
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Speaker 2: it's the killer that gets the attention, not the victim.
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Speaker 2: The victim gets lost in the shuffle. And you know,
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Speaker 2: you talking about your own grandmother with such respect and
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Speaker 2: love and dignity, and you know, Linda Frickey has children
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Speaker 2: and grandchildren that speak of her that that way, with
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Speaker 2: love and respect. And at seventy three years old, Linda
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Speaker 2: Frickey was carjacked in New Orleans. Prosecutors say it was
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Speaker 2: not a spur of the moment decision, it was a
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Speaker 2: planned crime. Four teenagers, seventeen year old John Honoree, and
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Speaker 2: three girls between the ages of fifteen and seventeen, conspired
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Speaker 2: to steal Miss Fricky's suv. Each of the four had
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Speaker 2: a role to play in the carjacking. Honoree served as
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Speaker 2: the leader of the gang, the main aggressor, the getaway driver.
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Speaker 2: He pepper sprayed, punched, kicked, and stomped in the face
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Speaker 2: of a seventy three year old woman. He then is
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Speaker 2: tasked with being the getaway driver. So he drives going
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Speaker 2: down the road, but he sees Linda Fricky as holding
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Speaker 2: on like she doesn't want to let go of her car.
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Speaker 2: She can't let go. Her arm has gotten tangled in
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Speaker 2: to the seatbelt, and so Henri is punching and kicking
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Speaker 2: and doing everything you can't get her to fall off
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Speaker 2: the car. She can't fall off the car. After two
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Speaker 2: blocks of dragging the seventy three ye old woman down
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Speaker 2: the road, punching, kicking, and screaming at her because she
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Speaker 2: can't get loose. In an effort to get her off
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Speaker 2: the car, he jumps a curb and hits the utility
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Speaker 2: pulled guy wire that severs Frickey's arm, freeing her from
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Speaker 2: the suv.
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Speaker 1: And you'll hear our friend Nancy Grace say this sometimes,
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Speaker 1: and it's if you take a criminal law course, even
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Speaker 1: at an unngraduate level, they'll our constitutional law. Course, they
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Speaker 1: will use the term that an event so shocked the
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Speaker 1: conscience of the court. I submit to you that this
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Speaker 1: was one of those cases that not only shocked the
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Speaker 1: conscience of Orleans Parish Court and the Prosecutor's office, but
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Speaker 1: also it's sent shockwaves through the city. And this is
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Speaker 1: a city that, unfortunately many times is numb to crime.
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Speaker 1: The fact that this this literally made people for for
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Speaker 1: a moment at least stop and draw breath, and you know,
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Speaker 1: have to do a double take, because when you know,
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Speaker 1: when you when you think that things are absolutely horrific,
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Speaker 1: you better hold on because there is always another gear that,
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Speaker 1: particularly where human depravity comes in vit you're.
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Speaker 2: Looking at a victim of all victims, Joe, You're looking
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Speaker 2: at a woman who was doing nothing to.
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Speaker 1: Anybody, nothing, nothing at all, and it's breathing and these
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Speaker 1: are you know where this occurred. This was actually a
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Speaker 1: location that that I'm very familiar with in the city. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It was near Scott Drive in Bienville. And it's not
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Speaker 1: it's not in the French Quarter. Just so everybody understands
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Speaker 1: that this is what's this area of the city. Uh.
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Speaker 1: In Atlanta that called the middle part of the city
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Speaker 1: Midtown in New Orleans they call it mid City. And
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Speaker 1: so you're not in the central business district. You're not
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Speaker 1: in the Vookay, which is the old term that was
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Speaker 1: used for the French Quarter. You know, you're not in
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Speaker 1: the wealthy area of town where the oil millionaires and
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Speaker 1: the Mannings live and all this. You're this is truly, uh,
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Speaker 1: the original working class area, you know. And this the
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Speaker 1: streets are laid out in perfect grids. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of old neighborhoods. There was a huge Italian in population.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I wish I could take
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Speaker 1: you here. One of my favorite restaurants in the world
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Speaker 1: is a place called Loses and Loses is this old
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Speaker 1: fashioned Italian restaurant that I would go to every opportunity
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Speaker 1: that I possibly could. And there's several restaurants down there
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Speaker 1: that make up this area of town that you know,
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Speaker 1: it's seen good times, it's seen bad times. And you know,
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Speaker 1: even when I was there, and I lived not too
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Speaker 1: far away from where this actually occurred. When I first
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Speaker 1: started college, I lived in Midtown myself, my roommate. It
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Speaker 1: was dangerous then. I was mugged, you know before in
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Speaker 1: that area. But it's like being in any big city.
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Speaker 1: And you know, as a young man, I was really shocked.
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Speaker 1: Now as an older guy, it's like, it's not that shocking.
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Speaker 1: It's going to happen if you if you stay in
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Speaker 1: these locations, you run the risk of that happening. But
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Speaker 1: there was nothing like this. It just it hadn't It
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Speaker 1: hadn't happened. And when we begin to kind of fill
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Speaker 1: in the blanks here, I think that many of our listeners, Dave,
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Speaker 1: are going to sit back and you're going to scratch
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Speaker 1: your head and you're going to think, how, how in
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Speaker 1: the how in the world could a teenager, a group
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Speaker 1: of teenagers get to the point where they are so
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Speaker 1: depraved that they're incapable of showing mercy. They're incapable of
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Speaker 1: showing mercy, and it it it just boggles to mind.
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Speaker 1: And and it let me tell you something else. And
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Speaker 1: it's not just it's not just the family of Linda
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Speaker 1: Frickey that had to go through this, but Dave, there
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Speaker 1: there were there were witnesses. There were witnesses to this
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Speaker 1: event that were screaming out for these carjackers to stop.
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Speaker 2: Just as you say, let's back up for just a second,
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Speaker 2: right there. It's a carjacking that takes place in front
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Speaker 2: of witnesses in an area that, as you've described, an
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Speaker 2: area you are intimately familiar with. You know these streets.
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Speaker 2: You know that it's not not rodeo drive. It is
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Speaker 2: a it would it be called a rough and tumbled neighborhood, Joe.
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Speaker 1: I guess it could be if certain areas of mid city, Okay,
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Speaker 1: But there's a quaintness to it too.
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Speaker 2: All right now, Linda Friki is in her car right yes,
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Speaker 2: driving down the road. There is a group of young people, teens.
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Speaker 2: The I don't want to call him the leader, John Henrie.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you explained to me how to how
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Speaker 2: to pronounce his name, because I thought, what an odd name.
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Speaker 2: There is no honor in this person, John hen Ree.
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Speaker 2: He's eighteen years old. He is not the only person involved.
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Speaker 2: He's the one person who had every opportunity in the
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Speaker 2: world to stop at any time, to stop the madness,
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Speaker 2: but he took the wheel and ran with it from
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Speaker 2: the very game.
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Speaker 1: Let me stop you right here, because this is kind
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Speaker 1: of the way the thing went down, and this is
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Speaker 1: what makes it all the more shocking. These four teens were,
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Speaker 1: and it's onn RE and it's three compatriots here and
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Speaker 1: the other three are females.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: I was going to point out that I don't want
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Speaker 2: to appear sexist, but that doesn't strike me as a
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Speaker 2: normal occurrence.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it is. Mathematically, Maybe it is.
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Speaker 2: Maybe there are in big cities all over the United
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Speaker 2: States of America and groups of four people, one guy
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Speaker 2: and three girls committing crimes, physically violent crimes that lead
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Speaker 2: to death. I don't know, it just sounds odd to me.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the old sexist to me coming out.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't think there's anything sexist about it.
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Speaker 1: It's just the reality that people gravitate toward one another
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Speaker 1: and somebody's going to wind up being a leader in
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Speaker 1: that group. And I think that it probably was onn RE.
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Speaker 1: But you know, Linda Frickey had actually gone into a
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Speaker 1: store and she was picking up some items and just
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Speaker 1: kind of let me, let me just kind of set
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Speaker 1: set the The way this looks when when you're in
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Speaker 1: New Orleans, it's kind of I've always compared it to
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Speaker 1: like a miniature Manhattan in the sense that there's no
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Speaker 1: off street parking, hardly at all. People that live in
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Speaker 1: town are heavily dependent upon public transportation. The streets are old,
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Speaker 1: and if you park, you have to park on the
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Speaker 1: street if you can find a spot. And I've done
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Speaker 1: this many times. You pull up next to the curb,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've ever seen these in
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Speaker 1: older towns, Dave, the curbs will have you'll have a
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Speaker 1: poured concrete curb and along the leading edge on the
12:49
Speaker 1: top there is a metal strip that runs down the
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Speaker 1: length of it to keep the curb intact. And these
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Speaker 1: are everywhere. They're all over the place. We used to
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Speaker 1: call them tire poppers, because if you clip thing, it'll
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Speaker 1: pop your tire and you have to be aware of that.
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Speaker 1: But Dave, you know they've got CCTV in regards to this,
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Speaker 1: and you can actually see two of the individuals walking
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Speaker 1: down street heading toward the car, and then you've got
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Speaker 1: a third and then there's Henri. And so Henri actually
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Speaker 1: shows up close to the end and he accosts Linda.
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Speaker 1: Now let's just think about just for a second. You're
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Speaker 1: bent over, your back is to the sidewalk, you're bent over,
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Speaker 1: and you're putting something in your car. Look are you
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Speaker 1: actually thinking you're going to be robbed or carjacked or assaulted.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's not what you're thinking. You're thinking, I've been
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Speaker 1: coming here to this area maybe my entire adult life.
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Speaker 1: Nothing's ever happened to me, or I've got enough situational
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Speaker 1: awareness that I can kind of see my way around.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you, at this age in my life,
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Speaker 1: I don't have the same situational awareness that I did
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Speaker 1: when I was twenty five. I just don't, And so
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Speaker 1: so your skills begin to drop down a little bit,
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Speaker 1: particularly in an urban environment like this. She was essentially
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Speaker 1: attacked while she's in this very vulnerable position, and my
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Speaker 1: friend I got to tell you after she was attacked,
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Speaker 1: the initial attack was only the beginning. The one thing
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Speaker 1: that's really hard to take the measure of when you're
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Speaker 1: a citizen and you're just going about your everyday life.
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Speaker 1: Just pretend for a moment that you're out and you're
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Speaker 1: going for a walk, maybe you're jogging, maybe you're out,
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Speaker 1: you know, taking your dog outdoors so that they can
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Speaker 1: do their business. But just imagine you suddenly, without any provocation,
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Speaker 1: you have no idea that it's going to happen. You
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Speaker 1: look up and arguably the most horrific thing that you've
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Speaker 1: ever born witness to literally plays out right in front
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Speaker 1: of you, and Dave, that's what actually happened there. There
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Speaker 1: was a young lady who heard her husband live adjacent
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Speaker 1: to where the carjacking took place. Leanne and Mark Mascar. Leanne,
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Speaker 1: I think had been out doing some running or jogging
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Speaker 1: that's associated with her yoga that she daily does. And
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Speaker 1: she saw, she saw this car going down the road.
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Speaker 1: And can you imagine, she hears a woman the sound
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Speaker 1: of her voice pierces the air in broad daylight, mind
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Speaker 1: you in broad daylight, and stay, please stop, please stop,
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Speaker 1: And when she looks up, Dave, seventy two year old
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Speaker 1: Linda Fricky is being drug down the road and the
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Speaker 1: only thing that is keeping her attached to the car
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Speaker 1: is her arm that is trapped in the seat belt
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Speaker 1: as she's and they can't close the door. Henria is
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Speaker 1: driving the car, by the way, can't even close the door.
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Speaker 1: And this lady that had been out in her yard
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Speaker 1: with her husband actually witnesses thing occur. And I can't remember,
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Speaker 1: you need to refresh my memory. I can't remember how
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Speaker 1: far was it that that she was drug I can't recall.
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Speaker 1: I think I told you just a second.
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Speaker 3: Or two ago, two blocks, two blocks.
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Speaker 1: And that's.
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Speaker 2: It.
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Speaker 1: Can't I don't even know if any of us can fathom.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've certainly stumbled on the sidewalk, I've fallen.
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Speaker 1: I've never had my car slip out of gear and
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Speaker 1: drive away with me attached to it. How much more
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Speaker 1: so can you imagine being trapped in your car and
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Speaker 1: being drug outside of it for two blocks? How does
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Speaker 1: that even happen?
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Speaker 2: You have to back up to that too and realize
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Speaker 2: that before that happened you mentioned she's leaning over her
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Speaker 2: car to put stuff in her car. Henrie gets in
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Speaker 2: and starts beating her. He catches her off guard and
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Speaker 2: is beating her. I can't get past that. I'm having
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Speaker 2: trouble there, Joe, because you've got an eighteen year old
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Speaker 2: man with three girls, and he gets in the car
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Speaker 2: and beats the seventy three year old woman. She can't
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Speaker 2: even get out of the car fast enough before they're
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Speaker 2: going down the road because her arm is stuck, is
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Speaker 2: hung up in the seatbelt sling. And as they're going
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Speaker 2: down the road, you mentioned the weight of the car
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Speaker 2: and just slipping out of gear for a little bit.
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Speaker 3: I have had that happen. I actually have hat, yes, and.
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Speaker 2: Maybe twenty feet and in that twenty feet I watched
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Speaker 2: the life go behind. I mean, you know, your life
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Speaker 2: passes because you can't stop. A car is really heavy, friends,
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Speaker 2: and once they get moving, they don't stop, and you're
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Speaker 2: one person you don't stick your leg out. It's not
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Speaker 2: a go cart when you're a kid. A car is
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Speaker 2: two tons of moving ballistic missile. And you're talking about
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Speaker 2: getting speed, You're talking about being seventy three years old.
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Speaker 2: You've just been beaten up by surprise, and now you're
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Speaker 2: being drugged down the street. You're being drug Your arm
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Speaker 2: is the only reason you're not falling off the car
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Speaker 2: is because your arm is hung up. Your legs are
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Speaker 2: dragging your body, your towards everything is dragging at some
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Speaker 2: point in time, and the only thing holding you in
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Speaker 2: is the seat belt that has got your like a
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Speaker 2: sling on your arm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me stop here and ask you this question.
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Speaker 1: Just and forgive my language, y'all, but I got to
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Speaker 1: ask this question, my friend, Dave. Dave, do you think
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Speaker 1: that if this had been a grown ass man, mister
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Speaker 1: ron Ree would have been a tempted to do this.
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Speaker 1: No way. You're talking about a seventy two, seventy three
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Speaker 1: year old ground Yeah, and you're going to attack her
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Speaker 1: from the rear like this and it takes you got
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Speaker 1: Let's call it a crew because it is a crew. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a carjacking crew. He's got three others
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Speaker 1: that don't say oh stop and not run away. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: They pile in. They pile in to lend his car
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Speaker 1: on top of it. Right, and they know there's a plan. Witness,
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Speaker 1: he's merely the first one in. But you're right, they
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Speaker 1: all three pile in. They're all equal criminals.
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Speaker 2: The fact that they're not all being treated the same
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Speaker 2: bothers me a lot, because you're right, Joe. At no
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Speaker 2: time did any of them say stop, we can't do this.
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Speaker 2: Stop please, you're hurting her. Stop nobody did you know?
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Speaker 2: The only people who did that were the people outside,
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Speaker 2: horrifically standing by watching this happen, screaming please stop, while
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Speaker 2: the seventy three year old grandma is saying please stop please.
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Speaker 2: You know when you mentioned that a minute ago, wo
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Speaker 2: man out for her jog after her yoga. Here's the
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Speaker 2: pleading of a grandma, a seventy three year old woman
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Speaker 2: being drug to her death. And there's people in the
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Speaker 2: car that could stop it. Not one of them has
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Speaker 2: the can make it happen, It can make it stop.
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Speaker 2: An eighteen year old man did it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it goes you know, it goes back to
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Speaker 1: this idea of you know, you begin to think how
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Speaker 1: morally bankrupt would you have to be in order to
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Speaker 1: engage in this kind of behavior where you're not capable
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Speaker 1: of showing any kind of any kind of mercy for
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Speaker 1: this poor woman, some level of empathy, because certainly, in
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Speaker 1: a car like this, and it's not a big car,
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Speaker 1: you could certainly hear her screaming. You would have to
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Speaker 1: have an awareness of what happened. But this is what
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Speaker 1: I do know, and you know, per the witnesses, the
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Speaker 1: car travels two blocks down range from where they're stopped,
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Speaker 1: and Linda's arm is caught in you know as you
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Speaker 1: you called it a sling, And I think that's kind
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Speaker 1: of accurate because the belt and I've had this happen
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Speaker 1: before on cases that I've worked, but not like this.
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Speaker 1: These were accidental events. They make no mistake. This is
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Speaker 1: no accident her arm was caught and it gives the
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Speaker 1: impression that it is caught up to the shoulder. And
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Speaker 1: all the while, according to witnesses, her clothing is being
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Speaker 1: twisted as well, because she's spinning kind of outside, almost
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Speaker 1: like she's in a tumble dryer. And we have to
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Speaker 1: factor this in as well, as she's going over the surface.
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Speaker 1: As she's going over this hard concrete surface, stable and
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Speaker 1: it's picking up speed. Man, she's bouncing along. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: have the benefit of sitting in a car seat. She's
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Speaker 1: not safely buckled in. She's outside the cabin of this
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Speaker 1: car and every and trust me, if New Orleans roads
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Speaker 1: are not smooth, they're horrible as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: notorious for poles and bumps, and they're always shifting. Because
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Speaker 1: everything's below sea level. It's the most uneven environment that
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Speaker 1: you could ever be in. And she's been drugged along
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Speaker 1: the surface and I can't even imagine what would be
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Speaker 1: going through her mind. But this car is just out
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Speaker 1: of control. Well, it's under his control, under Henri's control
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Speaker 1: for two blocks. And here's the thing. Witnesses see this.
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Speaker 1: As the car is traveling, the car actually hops the curb,
22:31
Speaker 1: day hops the curb and it doesn't stop. He still
22:36
Speaker 1: got the door open and kicking her in the head
22:39
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you, and I got to tell you.
22:42
Speaker 1: I know you well enough to know this is going
22:45
Speaker 1: to make the blood vessels on the side of your
22:48
Speaker 1: neck poke out. He was heard to say, you gonna die,
22:56
Speaker 1: screaming that sink in just for a second. And he's
23:02
Speaker 1: kicking her in the head. So he's assaulting her with
23:06
Speaker 1: his foot, blunt force trauma to the head. We have
23:09
Speaker 1: to think that at least by this time her shoulders
23:12
Speaker 1: at least dislocated as he's now hopping the curb. But
23:17
Speaker 1: that's not where this ends. Where it ends is that
23:23
Speaker 1: he passes by dave a utility pole and if any
23:27
Speaker 1: of us and many of us can identify with this,
23:30
Speaker 1: you have a utility pole and they'll have this kind
23:32
Speaker 1: of galvanized steel cable that comes down from them that
23:36
Speaker 1: kind of anchors them in place. Apparently what had happened
23:41
Speaker 1: is as the car passed by the utility pole, guidewire
23:49
Speaker 1: actually tore her arm off, ripped it away, cut it off,
23:58
Speaker 1: they're saying, torn. Along with that, it strips every bit
24:03
Speaker 1: of the clothing off of her body and she winds up. Dave.
24:10
Speaker 1: You know, we we think about how helpless she was
24:15
Speaker 1: in those moments right before this finality. Here and there
24:22
Speaker 1: she is, Dave, lying in the middle of the road,
24:26
Speaker 1: absent an arm, her car disappearing down the road, and
24:32
Speaker 1: she's nude. The force of the scene actually ripped her
24:38
Speaker 1: clothes off. It's a final indignity, Dave. And for the witnesses.
24:47
Speaker 1: One of these ladies had run back into her home.
24:49
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I know that it
24:51
Speaker 1: would be me. I'd be frozen in the yard. I
24:52
Speaker 1: couldn't believe what my eyes were telling me. Ran into
24:56
Speaker 1: the home and grabbed a pink cover that she had,
24:59
Speaker 1: she called it pink. Ran out beside Linda as she
25:05
Speaker 1: lay in the street, nude, covered her with a with
25:10
Speaker 1: this pink covering, and looked at her. And the final
25:13
Speaker 1: thing that Linda Fricky heard was them saying or praying,
25:33
Speaker 1: a case like this from a forensics perspective, you you
25:42
Speaker 1: would believe that we would have a very specific cause
25:49
Speaker 1: of death. And I'm sure that many of you all
25:52
Speaker 1: that are listening to Dave and I right now are thinking, well,
25:55
Speaker 1: I know precisely what killed her. Well, I got to
25:58
Speaker 1: tell you this is such a dynamic event, Dave, that
26:02
Speaker 1: it's one of these things kind of you know, kind
26:06
Speaker 1: of you make a choice. There's there's a list of
26:09
Speaker 1: things that you can kind of call upon to to
26:12
Speaker 1: say what the cause of death is.
26:14
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about this because there was
26:16
Speaker 2: a story out of Florida a couple of years ago
26:18
Speaker 2: where a police officer was being drug He was right
26:24
Speaker 2: and he was holding onto the driver's side door as
26:27
Speaker 2: the criminal took off, and because of bodycam footage you
26:32
Speaker 2: could actually see him holding on him from CCT cameras.
26:36
Speaker 2: How he was able to hold himself up. This is
26:37
Speaker 2: a man who's in shape and everything else. And what
26:41
Speaker 2: I noticed in that compared to this okay, right, right, right,
26:44
Speaker 2: and in shape police officer wearing his uniform and having
26:47
Speaker 2: shoes and all that that being drug as far as
26:50
Speaker 2: he was, which was not a whole lot further than
26:53
Speaker 2: Miss Fricky was.
26:56
Speaker 3: His shoes.
26:58
Speaker 2: The souls have been worn all the way down to
27:00
Speaker 2: the bunt to where it cut into his feet. The
27:02
Speaker 2: asphalt was cutting. You can see bone on his feet.
27:06
Speaker 2: That's how bad that is.
27:07
Speaker 1: Cool.
27:08
Speaker 2: It showed where other parts where he had lost his
27:10
Speaker 2: balance briefly and was drugged along the pavement where it
27:13
Speaker 2: scraped skin off, just you know, and it ripped clothing
27:17
Speaker 2: first and the skin right with it, I mean, and
27:18
Speaker 2: it showed. He was out of work for a year
27:21
Speaker 2: or so recovering from and he survived. He did not
27:25
Speaker 2: get beaten ahead of time. He did not have his
27:29
Speaker 2: arm tore off. He got you know, he actually did
27:32
Speaker 2: finally get off the car. But I was thinking about
27:34
Speaker 2: that when you were describing what this seventy three year
27:38
Speaker 2: old grandmother went through after getting beaten in the car
27:41
Speaker 2: by the eighteen year old John Henrie. Beats her and
27:44
Speaker 2: he keeps beating her, that's the whole thing. He keeps
27:46
Speaker 2: beating She can't get out fast enough. He's beating her
27:49
Speaker 2: and beating her as they're going in on the road.
27:50
Speaker 2: She can't get out of his way.
27:51
Speaker 3: She can't.
27:51
Speaker 2: She's hung up in this seatbelt. She can't get he's
27:55
Speaker 2: still beating her. He's and I like pictures of the
27:58
Speaker 2: other three women, they're cheerly on. But I'm thinking about
28:01
Speaker 2: that police officer and how the damage that he had
28:03
Speaker 2: to his legs and feet, how much worse it was
28:09
Speaker 2: for a seventy three year old grandmother not in the
28:11
Speaker 2: best shape of her life, you know, I mean, my goodness,
28:13
Speaker 2: I'm not in the shape I was ten years ago.
28:16
Speaker 2: And all I like in picture is when you talk
28:19
Speaker 2: about the neighbor bringing a blanket out just after seeing
28:22
Speaker 2: such a horrific thing, at least there is some humanity
28:26
Speaker 2: to leave her with a little sense of dignity about
28:28
Speaker 2: herself in this horrific time.
28:31
Speaker 1: Oh, and you know I was I'm glad you said this, Dave,
28:34
Speaker 1: because I was thinking about this before we started taping today.
28:38
Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, there would be days when
28:42
Speaker 1: we would go into the Morgan and there would be
28:43
Speaker 1: so many bodies that we would have to do. Many
28:47
Speaker 1: times you'd walk in and each you know you have
28:50
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll in some of the morgus I worked in,
28:51
Speaker 1: you had multiple tables that were pushed up to the sinks.
28:55
Speaker 1: I think the biggest one I ever worked in, we
28:57
Speaker 1: had like eight bodies on movable trays that were sitting
29:02
Speaker 1: there and each body was waiting to be autopsy. And
29:07
Speaker 1: then there were more in the cooler that had to
29:08
Speaker 1: come out and be autopsy that day. So you would
29:11
Speaker 1: just start going down the line and in that environment
29:14
Speaker 1: it is it's it gets, it gets, there's redundancy with it,
29:21
Speaker 1: there's tedium with it sometimes. But Dave, even even in
29:24
Speaker 1: that environment, you would stand over, you know, Miss Fricky's
29:30
Speaker 1: remains and you would look at them, and this would
29:32
Speaker 1: give even the most hardened medical legal personnel pause because
29:38
Speaker 1: as you you you see her laid there before you,
29:42
Speaker 1: and the trauma that she had sustained. You mentioned the
29:46
Speaker 1: police officer down in Florida, and this is an excellent point.
29:50
Speaker 1: Linda would have had what's referred to as road road rash.
29:53
Speaker 1: Literally you people hear that and they don't really know
29:56
Speaker 1: what it is, but it's a when you're on this
30:00
Speaker 1: this surface and you can imagine like a poored asshualt
30:02
Speaker 1: or you know, some kind of cement surface and you're
30:06
Speaker 1: being drug across it, you're gonna have these deep you're
30:09
Speaker 1: gonna have superficial, and you're gonna have even deeper upbraided
30:12
Speaker 1: areas where your skin is actually being peeled off. In
30:17
Speaker 1: the dynamics of this event, Dave, it sounds as though, man,
30:21
Speaker 1: that she is almost spinning on her axis, you know,
30:24
Speaker 1: like this, So it's not just going to be like
30:27
Speaker 1: on the back or on the side, or on the abdomen.
30:29
Speaker 1: You're gonna have evidence of this because they went for
30:32
Speaker 1: two blocks and she's she's alive. She's a live Remember
30:36
Speaker 1: remember what I said. They said they heard her say
30:38
Speaker 1: please stop, please, She's begging for her life.
30:41
Speaker 2: That was one of the things that came up in court.
30:44
Speaker 2: You could have stopped anytime, anytime, anytime. You could have
30:47
Speaker 2: stopped in the car when you realized it was an
30:50
Speaker 2: old woman, you could have stopped.
30:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:52
Speaker 2: Any of the three women could have could have jumped
30:56
Speaker 2: out as it stopped. They could have stopped it. Anything
30:58
Speaker 2: could have happened that didn't happen. And that's where you
31:01
Speaker 2: want to know where evil lives in the heart of
31:04
Speaker 2: this soul that could do this.
31:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. You know. You know you think, well,
31:11
Speaker 1: if he has a grandma, would he have done this
31:13
Speaker 1: to his grandma? You know? And that gives you pause.
31:17
Speaker 1: But when an interesting point was made. You remember how
31:22
Speaker 1: I mentioned the lady that came out with a blanket, Yeah,
31:27
Speaker 1: to try to aid her. One of the things that
31:30
Speaker 1: she recalled, and this is very powerful. She sits there
31:33
Speaker 1: and she says, I was looking at her. I was thinking,
31:37
Speaker 1: where's the blood? Because the one thing she did recognize
31:41
Speaker 1: that I'm revealing right now is that Linda's arm, along
31:47
Speaker 1: with her clothing had been torn away, torn away, and
31:53
Speaker 1: you would think that you would see a copious amount
31:58
Speaker 1: of blood pouring from her box even if she was
32:01
Speaker 1: not still alive. There is a report that said that
32:05
Speaker 1: she was not deceased immediately that there, you know, she's
32:08
Speaker 1: still there. And they literally watched her pass away in
32:13
Speaker 1: the middle of this dirty street in mid city New Orleans,
32:18
Speaker 1: and you know, they're hovering over her telling her that
32:21
Speaker 1: we're we're praying for you. But her arm was actually
32:26
Speaker 1: torn away, but she wasn't presenting with a lot of blood.
32:30
Speaker 1: And you know this this trial, the sentencing just has
32:33
Speaker 1: wrapped up, and we'll get to that moment for Henri.
32:36
Speaker 1: The other individuals, the other three individuals have previously been
32:39
Speaker 1: sent because they played guilty immediately. Not Henri. Not Henri.
32:43
Speaker 1: He did not, He did not. He wanted to go
32:45
Speaker 1: to trial and his trial wound up last in one day.
32:48
Speaker 1: But the pathologist for the Orleans Parish Corners Office testified
32:52
Speaker 1: in this case, Dave and let me, if you'll permit me,
32:55
Speaker 1: just let me tell you what her primary injuries were.
33:01
Speaker 1: First off, they classified her death the immediate cause of
33:06
Speaker 1: death as blunt force injuries or blunt force trauma. And
33:11
Speaker 1: that does make sense because she's being pummeled, you know,
33:15
Speaker 1: going down the road, being drug along. But her aorda
33:22
Speaker 1: is torn, which is, if you'll think about your heart
33:25
Speaker 1: and the position of your heart, off of the very
33:27
Speaker 1: top of your heart, the largest vessel in human body,
33:31
Speaker 1: the root of it is in the top of the heart.
33:33
Speaker 1: Essentially it comes off and kind of arches down. One
33:38
Speaker 1: of the things we look for at autopsy and particularly
33:41
Speaker 1: in car accidents is the most fragile part of the
33:45
Speaker 1: orda is what's referred to as the ortic arch. It's
33:48
Speaker 1: very fragile, so where it actually makes the curve where
33:51
Speaker 1: it's going to drop down and travels down the spine
33:53
Speaker 1: then eventually splits into the femoral arteries and all that.
33:56
Speaker 1: That's one of the most fragile spots, particularly in car
33:59
Speaker 1: accidents or blunt force trauma to the chest, and so
34:02
Speaker 1: you can get this ripping that takes place there. And
34:06
Speaker 1: in addition to that, Linda suffered a fractured collar bone.
34:11
Speaker 1: Makes sense if you're driving up on a curb and
34:13
Speaker 1: she's being drug along. You can imagine, I've broken my
34:16
Speaker 1: collarbone before, very painful. She also had multiple fractured ribs,
34:21
Speaker 1: which again goes along with blunt force trauma where she's
34:24
Speaker 1: being banged around. And then finally she had fractured for
34:29
Speaker 1: tebral bodies as well. So she's all of this is occurring,
34:35
Speaker 1: this dynamic is occurring all in her upper body. That
34:38
Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's not injuries to her lower body. But
34:40
Speaker 1: back to the order. Remember what I said about the
34:43
Speaker 1: lady not seeing any blood. You recall that when she
34:47
Speaker 1: got there and she's looking down. Can you imagine looking
34:49
Speaker 1: down and you see this location where Linda's arm used
34:54
Speaker 1: to be, you know, the one that used to hold
34:56
Speaker 1: her grandchildren, And she's thinking, I can only imagine there's
35:01
Speaker 1: there's no blood here. And I think personally that the
35:06
Speaker 1: reason she didn't see a lot of blood is probably
35:10
Speaker 1: due to the fact that she had this ruptured day order.
35:12
Speaker 1: And when you get a ruptured day order and your
35:15
Speaker 1: heart is still pumping, your chest cavity is literally filling
35:19
Speaker 1: up with blood. Now this to me, if you're if
35:23
Speaker 1: you're if you're seeking some shred of comfort, or mercy.
35:28
Speaker 1: When you hear this horrible tale of Linda's death, you're
35:32
Speaker 1: thinking that if the aorda is compromised, if it's blown
35:36
Speaker 1: out or torn, perhaps just perhaps she's sinking away. She's
35:41
Speaker 1: sinking away and she's losing consciousness. She didn't have to
35:44
Speaker 1: feel the pain, because I can tell you, David, I
35:46
Speaker 1: don't know of anything that could potentially be more painful
35:52
Speaker 1: than this, with these multiple broken bones and certainly an
35:55
Speaker 1: arm that's been torn away.
35:57
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm thinking where you said there was the woman
36:04
Speaker 2: didn't see blood. She's expecting to see blood. I expect
36:06
Speaker 2: to see blood. Then you mentioned the order. So the
36:10
Speaker 2: blood is in the chest cavity, but it's not going
36:13
Speaker 2: to come out from where the arm. It's not going
36:15
Speaker 2: to come out from other parts of the body that
36:16
Speaker 2: have been damaged. Is it because the blood isn't the
36:19
Speaker 2: heart's not pumping anymore, it just can't come out, right.
36:22
Speaker 1: That's that's my theory and what happens.
36:24
Speaker 2: That actually makes sense, though, Joe, it really does. I
36:27
Speaker 2: couldn't figure that out when you told me earlier that
36:29
Speaker 2: the question was where's the blood? She covered her with
36:31
Speaker 2: a pink blanket, but where's the blood.
36:34
Speaker 1: And that with that whatever that tear was in her
36:37
Speaker 1: order is pumping out blood. First off, it'll go into
36:41
Speaker 1: the pair cardial sack perhaps that surrounds the heart UH,
36:46
Speaker 1: and that's called a tampa nod. But if it if
36:51
Speaker 1: other elements within the anatomy are ripped away, that her
36:56
Speaker 1: chest would be filling with blood. Her lungs would literally
36:59
Speaker 1: be floating blood. And you know, when you do a
37:02
Speaker 1: case like this and you open the body at autopsy,
37:07
Speaker 1: it is not uncommon to see the lungs actually floating
37:11
Speaker 1: in the chest in blood. And this is one of
37:15
Speaker 1: the reasons like when you if if you've ever seen
37:17
Speaker 1: somebody that has to go into the emergency room and
37:19
Speaker 1: they have what's referred to as like a flail chest,
37:22
Speaker 1: like blunt impact in a car accident, one of the
37:25
Speaker 1: things that will occur is that in between in the
37:29
Speaker 1: intercostal spaces in the UH in the chest, that's the
37:34
Speaker 1: the muscle in between the ribs. They'll cut a hole
37:37
Speaker 1: in there and they'll put a tube and the tube
37:40
Speaker 1: will drain out all of that blood because one of
37:42
Speaker 1: the things that happens is that you're suffocating because your
37:46
Speaker 1: your lungs can't expand to take on more air, and
37:49
Speaker 1: of course they'll have to surgically repair this if it's possible.
37:53
Speaker 1: A order is a very tricky thing, so you would
37:55
Speaker 1: have to have a cardiothoracic surgeon standing by right there
37:59
Speaker 1: in order to facilitate this to save her life. And
38:03
Speaker 1: my only hope here, Dave, is that is that she
38:06
Speaker 1: didn't feel any any more pain than she had already.
38:12
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that she didn't suffer, is what I'm saying,
38:14
Speaker 1: any more than she had to, because God knows her
38:18
Speaker 1: family suffered. Her family suffered in you know, those people
38:22
Speaker 1: that bore witness to this suffered.
38:24
Speaker 2: When it comes down to having to make a decision
38:26
Speaker 2: on what cause of death really was, do you have
38:32
Speaker 2: to go through each injury and kind of build a
38:35
Speaker 2: timetable of when it took place so that you can
38:38
Speaker 2: get to because you can certainly suffer a lot, a
38:42
Speaker 2: lot of injuries in like this. I mean, you you're
38:44
Speaker 2: suffering injuries when you're getting beaten in the front of
38:47
Speaker 2: the car. Any one of those, any one of those
38:49
Speaker 2: shots to her head her body could have been a
38:53
Speaker 2: could have caused your death. And I'm just wondering, do
38:56
Speaker 2: you have to build that timeline of injury from the
38:59
Speaker 2: very first injury to the very last one and decide
39:01
Speaker 2: which one of these was the fatal one or how
39:03
Speaker 2: many were fatal.
39:04
Speaker 1: I guess this is a fantastic question because in forensics,
39:09
Speaker 1: one of the things that investigators will ask us to
39:11
Speaker 1: do is sequence injuries. You know what injuries came first.
39:17
Speaker 1: But from our perspective, in our analysis, from a scientific standpoint,
39:22
Speaker 1: we're thinking which injuries are the most impactful, what's going
39:29
Speaker 1: to have the highest probability of bringing about death, What
39:32
Speaker 1: is the most catastrophic thing that she suffered. And I'm
39:38
Speaker 1: very interested in the fact that the aorda was listed,
39:41
Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised because out of all of my
39:44
Speaker 1: years of working in the Morgan certainly investigating cases out
39:48
Speaker 1: on the streets, aortas are one of those things that
39:52
Speaker 1: is it's almost one hundred percent surety that you're going
39:56
Speaker 1: to die. If you can't be meta act some way
40:00
Speaker 1: to a hospital that has the level of treatment trauma
40:04
Speaker 1: treatment that would be available that could stem this, you
40:09
Speaker 1: don't have any chance whatsoever of surviving. And certainly that's
40:14
Speaker 1: the case with Linda Frickey.
40:17
Speaker 3: But do they know when that happened.
40:20
Speaker 1: Do they know when that happens.
40:21
Speaker 2: I know we've got video. We have video of the
40:23
Speaker 2: beating that took place in the car. We've got different
40:26
Speaker 2: camera angles going from the very beginning to the end,
40:29
Speaker 2: which is I cannot imagine how horrific that was and
40:34
Speaker 2: is for the family as well, as You've mentioned the
40:37
Speaker 2: witnesses several times, and I'm glad sometimes we forget that. Yeah,
40:41
Speaker 2: family hurts, Those closest hurt. But when you're a part
40:45
Speaker 2: of something, you cannot affect change, You cannot help this person.
40:48
Speaker 2: It's done, and you're just what you become a victim
40:51
Speaker 2: of the crime by extension. Yes, And I'm just curious,
40:55
Speaker 2: you know, in that we get to see all of
40:57
Speaker 2: this as you put it together. Could that have happened
40:59
Speaker 2: early on or at the end?
41:02
Speaker 1: I think that if you're this could be one of
41:06
Speaker 1: two things. This could either be what's referred to as
41:10
Speaker 1: a torquing or torsion injury, where she's twisted to the
41:13
Speaker 1: point that the a order would tear. My suspicion is
41:19
Speaker 1: is that she probably sustained literal blunt force trauma. Perhaps
41:24
Speaker 1: if people at home will put your your fingertips right
41:28
Speaker 1: on top of your sternum, like really near the top
41:31
Speaker 1: that approximates the area where your aor to sit. So
41:35
Speaker 1: she was impacted, say, for instance, on that curb when
41:38
Speaker 1: he jumped the curb, that could be when this started.
41:42
Speaker 1: And remember her arm was not, according to what the
41:45
Speaker 1: witnesses were saying, was not torn away until after he
41:48
Speaker 1: hit that post or after he hit that guide wire,
41:52
Speaker 1: I guess, is how we could actually call it. And
41:54
Speaker 1: it was clipped away, and her clothing was all twisted
41:57
Speaker 1: up in there along with the arm as well, and
42:01
Speaker 1: so but yeah, to say that it actually happened at
42:04
Speaker 1: this precise moment that I think that that would be
42:08
Speaker 1: very very difficult. It's not you know, if you had somebody,
42:11
Speaker 1: like if you had a static event with like a shooting,
42:14
Speaker 1: and you had it on video and you could see
42:17
Speaker 1: the shooting where somebody's actually struck in the chest and
42:19
Speaker 1: they died and you open their body and they were
42:22
Speaker 1: clipped in the order, you could say it then. But
42:24
Speaker 1: everything so, even though we have CCTV footage, you can't
42:29
Speaker 1: see what's going on internally, and they were not able
42:31
Speaker 1: to appreciate that until they got her to the morgue.
42:34
Speaker 1: Even though you knew that it was going to be
42:35
Speaker 1: bad based on what you were seeing externally.
42:40
Speaker 2: So what happens now, Joe, when you have something like
42:42
Speaker 2: this where it gets to this point where you're you
42:46
Speaker 2: you've got this laundry list of medical issues when you
42:52
Speaker 2: go to court, do you have to explain all of
42:55
Speaker 2: these things to jury so they understand Do they have
42:58
Speaker 2: to know what happened from the very beginning of the
43:00
Speaker 2: attack till the very end or can you gain planet differently?
43:06
Speaker 1: No? I think in this case, and my understanding, this
43:09
Speaker 1: is what the prosecutor did. They laid this thing out
43:14
Speaker 1: very very precisely. And the two key witnesses here are
43:19
Speaker 1: going to be those eyewitnesses, the man and the woman.
43:22
Speaker 1: There were other ones, but there were two in particular
43:25
Speaker 1: that are constantly quoted in the news, and of course
43:27
Speaker 1: the forensic pathologist. I think that the fact that such
43:33
Speaker 1: horror could be painted and I can only imagine, and
43:36
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just kind of projecting here, but when that
43:39
Speaker 1: forensic pathologist begins to give her testimony in this trial,
43:44
Speaker 1: and that is coupled with what the eyewitnesses saw, can't
43:48
Speaker 1: you just see that jury cutting their eyes over there
43:51
Speaker 1: at that table where Henri is sitting. Because I can
43:54
Speaker 1: tell you a lot of those the jury members, probably
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Speaker 1: the Linonship, many people don't leave New Orleans. New Orleanians
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Speaker 1: through and through these people have lived. They're very familiar
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Speaker 1: with this area of town. It's not like New Orleans
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Speaker 1: is this gigantic place. They know where mid City is,
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Speaker 1: they know where Scott Boulevard is, all right, they know
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Speaker 1: where Bnville is.
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Speaker 2: Just like you did when you were explaining it to me,
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Speaker 2: even though you've been gone from there for years, you
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Speaker 2: were able to explain to me where we were talking about.
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Speaker 1: And that's part of being from New Orleans and understanding
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Speaker 1: the fine detail. Because they know all those people in
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Speaker 1: the jury, they know what the streets are like, they
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Speaker 1: know what those curves are like, they know what violence
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Speaker 1: is like. They've borne witness to it or had family members.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know that any of them walked into
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Speaker 1: that court thinking that they were going to see something
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Speaker 1: so barbaric. And that's really the only way I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, on one level, this would make Romans blush,
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Speaker 1: you know when you think about what that neighborhood had
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Speaker 1: to bear witness to with missus Fricky's murder, and in
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Speaker 1: this particular case, I think that I'm hoping Dave and
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Speaker 1: I try to really be very positive about these sorts
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Speaker 1: of things, because look, I could chime in and be
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Speaker 1: just as negative as everybody else. I'm hoping that Miss
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Speaker 1: Fricky's death will actually be a moment in time where
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Speaker 1: people will look back and say, we can do better
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Speaker 1: than this. We're going to do better than this. We're
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Speaker 1: going to keep control over our kids, We're going to
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Speaker 1: know where they're at, and we're going to try to
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Speaker 1: teach them right for wrong. Because I got to tell you, Dave,
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Speaker 1: if this is the direction that we're all going in,
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Speaker 1: it's very very grim. I think that it's important to
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Speaker 1: note that John Henri was actually found guilty after a
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Speaker 1: one day trial of second degree murder, and he has
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Speaker 1: been sentenced to spend at least the next twenty five
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Speaker 1: years in prison in Angola. The only reason he was
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Speaker 1: spared the death penalty was that he was seventeen years
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Speaker 1: old when he committed this. Holy Side, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: and this is body batt