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Close Encounters of the Bob Kind (P2): the Bobening · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a journey to the fringe. Hello and welcome
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to Journey to the Fringe. Maybe a brain floating
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in a vat? Maybe not? I don't know. I'm still
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lost, Chelsea. It's been 48 hours. I don't know
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what to do with that information. I'm still,
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like... uncomfortable lost very uncomfortably
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lost in what's going on out there anyhow we're
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probably the podcast host taylor and chelsea
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but i don't know for sure yeah no we are yeah
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okay oh good here today doing a follow -up again
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i'm only pretty sure because again we could have
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been grown in a vat and this is the first thing
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we're experiencing oh no like legitimately at
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this point yeah anyhow it's a chelsea episode
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so i'm just gonna like existentially dread in
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the background Welcome back to part two of Skinny
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Bob. If you remember back to last week, we took
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a look at what was going on around the time the
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videos were leaked in 2011. We watched and analyzed
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the first three videos in the leak from Ivan0135.
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And so this week, we're going to look at video
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four. And we'll talk about our thoughts of the
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videos as well as the community's thoughts on
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the videos. And we'll have a special surprise
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at the end. So here's the fourth and final video,
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Taylor, on this YouTube channel. Chelsea, do
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you want thoughts on the first videos before
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we look at it? No. Okay. You keep those to yourself.
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Oh, man. This one is uploaded May 17, 2011. Okay,
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that is an awkward title for the video. Family
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Vacation. Yeah, Family Vacation. The video track
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starts with text paragraphs about historic events
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with extraterrestrial visitors and ends with
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a shaky recording of aliens walking. That's all
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it looks like to me when I watch it. In contrast
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to all other videos, this one is in color. No
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audio on this one. And the video description...
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To be fair, the audio and the other ones were
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a clicking sound to make it sound like it was
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on a projector. The video description on this
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and the words shown in the video are the same.
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tape 6 family vacation from the first contact
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in 1942 a series of diplomatic visits to discuss
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matters of mutual concern were planned under
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the treaty 2304 these meetings would take place
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in secrecy A limited number of special agents
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would escort visitors, and they would only meet
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high -ranking officers. Chelsea, before you continue
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on, can I just say something? Yeah. This video
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is a minute 34. There's only 20 seconds of actual
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video. The rest is a scroll PowerPoint presentation,
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basically. Sorry, I should have said that. And
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it's literally, you can't really make out what's
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happening with that video. It's just, they're
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walking. That's it. SkinnyBob .info, however,
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has different things to say. It is less than
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10 seconds because it goes to words again. Okay.
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Yeah. According to Document 72E, at the meeting
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of 1961, there is an incident involving three
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subjects due to the violation of the agreement
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by the officers at the military base when they
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discovered that their arrival has been filmed
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with a hidden device without their consent. Under
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the Treaty 2304, the meetings would be confidential
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and filming or taking photographs would not be
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allowed. After the incident, the treaty was revised.
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So that's what it says. Family Vacation. This
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clip is the only one in color and therefore presumably
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from a later production date and it features
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multiple alien beings at once. These beings are
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walking alongside a wall and are accompanied
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by humans. It's literally just a blip of actual
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beings. Majority of the tape is the script. The
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name Family Vacation could refer to the aliens
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in a sense that they came and visited as a group.
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Another possibility is a connection to the infamous
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dentist visit of Dwight D. Eisenhower on his
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vacation in Palm Springs in February 20th, 1954.
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Ah, yes. Infamous dentist visit, you ask? Even
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though it seems like you know what we're talking
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about, I will tell you. 50 years ago tomorrow,
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on February 20th, 1954. 50 years ago, on February
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20th, 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower interrupted
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his vacation in Palm Springs, California. Chelsea.
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Yeah. Just so you know, 70 years ago. 70 years
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ago, on February 20th, 1954, President Dwight
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Eisenhower interrupted his vacation in Palm Springs,
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California to make a secret nocturnal trip to
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a nearby Air Force base to meet two extraterrestrial
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aliens. Or maybe not. Maybe. Or maybe he went
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to the dentist. There's some dispute about this.
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You're going to like this next sentence. Michael
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Sala. who you may remember from such Journey
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to the Fringe episodes as Stargates and Michael
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Sala Part 1 and 2, postulates that yes, he did
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meet with extraterrestrials. And he starts from
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the point of it happened and does not set it
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up in any way, I guarantee you. To make things
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more intriguing, on the night in question, the
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Associated Press reported this. President Eisenhower
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died tonight of a heart attack in Palm Springs,
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end quote. There is a quote on the beginning
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of that. This actually happened. Two minutes
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later, the AP retracted the bulletin and reported
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that Ike was still alive. Here's what happened.
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Eisenhower was on a golf vacation in Palm Springs,
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February 20th, 1954. After dinner that night,
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he made an unscheduled departure from the Smoking
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Tree Ranch, where he was staying. The next morning,
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he attended a church service in Los Angeles.
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Also that morning, his spokesman announced to
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the press that Ike had visited a dentist the
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previous night because he'd chipped a tooth while
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eating a chicken wing at dinner. Salah doesn't
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believe it. He figures the dentist trip is just
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a cover story. He believes Ike went to Edward's
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Air Force base where he met with two ETs with
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white hair, pale blue eyes, and colorless lips.
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These aliens, nicknamed Nordics in UFO circles
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because they resemble Scandinavian humans, which
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actually don't look like this at all in these
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videos, traveled to Edward from another solar
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system in a flying saucer, and Sala says they
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spoke to Eisenhower. There was telepathic communication,
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says Sala. It's as though you're hearing a person,
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but they're not speaking. The Nordics offered
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to share their superior technology and their
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spiritual wisdom with Ike if he would agree to
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eliminate America's nuclear weapons. They were
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afraid we might blow up some of our nuclear technology,
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Sala says, and apparently that does something
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to time and space and it impacts on extraterrestrial
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races on their planet. Ike declined the ETs offer,
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Sala says, because he did not want to give up
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the nukes. Sometime later in 1954, Ike reached
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a deal with another race of extraterrestrials
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known as the Greys, allowing them to capture
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Earthling cattle and humans for medical experiments,
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provided that they returned a human safely home.
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Since then, Sela says the Greys have kidnapped
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millions of humans. So, there's a fun little
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aside in these videos. I had no idea that was
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the original source of that. I've heard it before.
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But it's almost like hearing the Hutchison effect.
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And then you actually learn about the person
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it comes from and you're like, oh. Yeah, so don't
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pay attention to that yet. Not to say where it's
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going. Make up your own mind, though. Back to
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the aliens. It's hard to tell how many there
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are. At least two in the video. And they're accompanied
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by at least a couple humans, even though it's
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hard to tell from the video if you're not slowing
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it down like skinnybob .info. The shakiness of
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the video accompanying this text suggests that
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it might have been the one secretly recorded
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as described. in the video. If so, why wasn't
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it immediately destroyed upon discovery? Ivan
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is overly specific about the treaty document
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designations, which is highly problematic. The
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specificity of document 072E doesn't make any
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sense and could be a sign of deception. That's
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the last video. The saga does go on from there.
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Will from Planet Under Attack, which I don't
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know what that is, but he claims to have contacted
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Ivan or at least someone affiliated with the
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videos via email on June 17, 2014 and received
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a response two days later. And it starts here.
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Secondly, do you happen to know who the copyright
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holder is for the Skinny Bob footage? I'm also
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wondering who is the original leaker of the footage.
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Somebody told me this footage originally came
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out through you. Any info would be great, regardless.
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Thanks, my friend, Will. You can't have a trademark
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on it if it's a real thing, right? Like, we've
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learned that. I don't know. My question the whole
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time, which might be... We've learned from Corey
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Good, which is me guessing now that Corey Good
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is the true trademark holder on this. Is that
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it can't be a real thing. Like the Blue Avians.
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Oh, that's true. Which he admitted in court.
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Yeah, I don't know that he was an outsider. But
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that was my thing. Like, obviously, do you think
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he's profiting from having this on YouTube? Whoever
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is the owner of the channel. You know, I didn't
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look at how many views they have because I was
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watching it in Discord. But, no, not really.
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They have 650 ,000 views 14 years ago. That was
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my original thought of it. They made some money,
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maybe good money back in the day because they
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had better royalties back in the day, but not
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that much. Yeah, that was my only thought of
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it. So it goes on, their response to Will. We
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were sent that footage to release from a source,
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the same source that sent us It's Blacked Out.
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I know it's the original source because the original
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version is not available to anyone. That's why
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you won't find it anywhere on the internet. We
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released the footage using several stock channels
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on YouTube and other sites. We did it this way
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to make sure the info got out even if our channel,
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website, etc. was terminated. Blacked Out redacted,
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granted copyright as long as we did not profit
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by it. or release the full unedited version as
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a complete film only short clips were released
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not the full 12 minutes of footage for example
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the clip where the alien is sitting down is cropped
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the full scene shows him sitting at a table looking
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through what looks like star maps government
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officials are also seen at the opposite side
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of the table in clothes of the time but did not
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release that Yeah, it was cropped. Oh. The clothes
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it's wearing are explained at the beginning of
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the footage too. Full footage shows original
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clothing. The jumper and trousers are not the
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original clothes. Original clothes were taken
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for analysis. Human clothes were provided. Alien
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can be seen wearing a dull silver type ski suit
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with a utility belt and dull silver footwear.
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I'm hoping the source will allow us to release
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the full unedited footage at some point, but
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I cannot release without permission. In the game,
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mutual trust is everything. Hope this helps and
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you're welcome. And aside, this exchange is purely
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anecdotal and unverifiable. It is the only documented
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communication with someone allegedly affiliated
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with the source. It also mentions details partly
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new and partly suspected or confirmed by careful
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analysis. In brackets, sitting alien left cropping
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and additional personnel in the room and change
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of clothing. In bracket. Someone pointed out
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that the claim about SOC channels could never
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be confirmed. The first video was mentioned nowhere
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else until about two weeks later. The second
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one finally gained traction. The early uploads
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to other channels were partly of lower bitrate
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and without sound, possibly due to ripping, re
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-encoding, and re -uploading them from the Ivan0135
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channel. The person replying claims the original
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footage is 12 minutes long. In previous descriptions,
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a total recording duration of 1 ,260 minutes
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is mentioned and most of the timestamps exceed
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12 minutes. This is a significant discrepancy.
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The timestamps being suspiciously and overly
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specific, just like the document designations
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in the family vacation description, makes us
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consider all timing information to be completely
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made up. That one is the most controversial of
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all of them because it can't be confirmed. Obviously,
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it's not from the channel. It's just someone
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saying that they talked to him. They didn't even
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talk to him. They responded to an email. Yeah,
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exactly. In the 1997 documentary Area 51, The
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Alien Interview, various scenes with recreations
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of Area 51 related UFO lore are remarkably similar
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to some of Ivan's clips. where an alien sits
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on a chair at a table and interacts with a human
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interrogator. It is lit from above, and the whole
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scene is black and white to indicate a recording
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from the 1950s. We see strange symbols, apparently.
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This is probably the one you're thinking of when
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we were originally talking on the last episode,
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Taylor, that you said, I think I've seen this
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before. This is probably the one that you're
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thinking of, the Area 51 alien interview. But
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there's so many similarities between the two.
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We also see strange symbols apparently used as
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communication aid. And remember that how to drive
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likely includes alien symbols as well. The alien's
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health is deteriorating and a physician is called
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to examine the patient. Such a contemporary physician
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wearing a white coat and white gloves is also
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featured in Ivan's autopsy scenes. There is a
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short sequence of a military police member filming
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the alien using a small handheld camera that
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is part of the story behind the family vacation
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clip where the aliens were allegedly filmed without
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consent. The documentary recreates the meeting
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of aliens with humans in front of a wall on Area
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51. It's the 1970s now, so this clip is in color.
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The similarity to Family Vacation is striking.
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The time code format with the letter slash number
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preface is identical to the time code embedded
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by Ivan. If Ivan's material was hoaxed, this
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documentary might have served as an artistic
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template. If it's authentic and Ivan's clips
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are depicting the reality UFO lore is vaguely
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describing, similarities might be inevitable
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and coincidental. It's also possible that Ivan's
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material is much older and was known to the creators
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of the documentary or their advisors. So those
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are the videos. Now, in support of this being
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authentic, no one has ever confirmed who has
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made these videos, and the uploader vanished
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after posting these four videos. Believers argue
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that the detail in Skinny Bob's face, the blinking,
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the expressions, the mouth, it's too realistic
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for CGI or puppetry from the era. Many claim
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the material is obviously fake, but usually fail
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to elaborate for why exactly that is. Others
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find it totally authentic and base this claim
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on how Bob blinks. We approached the big question
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in a more rigorous way by compiling a list of
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pros and cons. Highly diverse content, somebody
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went to a lot of trouble to create these videos.
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No commercial use despite production costs. That
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would be using it for like, you know, like the
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Blair Witch Project when they released like videos
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coming up to release it as like leaked footage
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or it never came up in a video game as like a
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promotion. Underlying footage essentially is
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flawless and quality preventing consensus among
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experts and hoaxing techniques. Hoaxer would
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have taken an unnecessary risk by showing a potentially
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recognizable house in aerial view and irrelevant
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yet costly details presented in a barely recognizable
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way and not a single unresolved hoax contender
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of comparable quality. It is still among UFO
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researchers, for the most part looked at as one
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of the videos of a gray alien that is yet to
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be debunked. In support of a hoax, you can look
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at the occasional jerky movements of Skinny Bob,
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as I pointed out in one of the videos. The stereotypical
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presentation of UFO artifacts with alien symbols.
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And the red flags in one of the stories to back
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up the alien symbols, which is the Edmonton story,
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which I'd love to go into on another episode.
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I'm excited for that episode. I know, I know,
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right? The extremely short and shaky clips with
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signs of intentional eye obfuscation limiting
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hoaxing effort. No Provence, no original reels
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or verification, just uploaded to YouTube in
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2011 by Ivan0135. The lack of supporting evidence,
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no other documents, photos, or witnesses came
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forward to back it up. Convenient placement of
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alien body next to the UFO wreckage looking staged.
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Both plot and aesthetic similarities to a documentary
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aired 14 years later. Potential overstimation
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of production costs. Possible fallacy of mistaking
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circumstantial for planned details. By 2011,
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CGI software like Maya and After Effects could
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absolutely produce the level of realism seen
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in the footage, especially with a small team
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of skilled artists, though it would have been
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highly advanced. Skeptics point out the lack
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of Provence, no source film reels, no documentation,
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this suspiciously cinematic framing, the fact
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that 2011 CGI was already advanced enough to
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fake this. Most UFO researchers treat it as an
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elaborate hoax, but it remains one of the more
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convincing alien fakes because it doesn't look
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cartoonish or exaggerated. And as a cheaper alternative,
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Skinny Bob might just be a person wearing a costume,
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as Nick Pope has suggested. We have a couple
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of theories to go along with us. The first theory
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is a leak theory. Parts of the footage show a
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professional environment, autopsy room, examination
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room with standiometer aircraft, suggesting that
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it's not a collection of amateur home video clips,
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but rather a documentation produced by a government
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agency, branch of the military, or corporation.
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It could have found its way to the internet by
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a whistleblower with legitimate access leaking
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it. In this case, cropping and obscuring the
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origin might have been done to deflect heat,
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prevent people from pinning down the actual source
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and causing a stir. Alternatively, it could have
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been stolen and leaked by a thief. In this case,
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blackmail is a reason to consider for all the
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editing. I'm not going to go much further on
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the blackmail because I think that it's highly
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unlikely. Some person on skinnybob .info pointed
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out that the suspicious coincidence that Ivan
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posted the first video one month after a foreign
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adversary launched a cyber attack on the Pentagon
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and stole sensitive data. The RSA breach also
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happened around that time. If the videos were
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among the files stolen, it is conceivable the
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Pentagon itself released the edited clips in
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order to control the damage and narrative. The
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intention might be that in case the original
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footage surfaces, a previous publication in a
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lame wrapping inflicts enough damage to the credibility
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that further releases have no impact. And then
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we have the hoax theory. If the material was
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faked, the general consensus is that multiple
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people, multiple techniques, and possibly, but
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not necessarily, a lot of money was involved.
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It was likely for a single person pulling this
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off due to the complexity and variety of the
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scenes, it would have required a lot of techniques
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and estimated to cost at least $80 ,000 in 1990.
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With that being said, it did also say there were
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a couple of programs that did make it doable
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in 2011. Yeah. First off, why are we saying 1990?
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And second off, where does that number come from?
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I don't know. Yeah. I don't know why we're saying
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1990. That would probably be myself. No, I assume
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you had to add that from somewhere, but... I
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did miss the 1990 in that, but there was a whole
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equation in why they thought it was that amount
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of money that I took out. So there was some sort
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of equation in this. Claims frequently made by
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individuals about the clips being easy to reproduce
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remain to be demonstrated. There are several
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more less plausible reasons for a hoax, which
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is demo reel of stupid... So, we're coming to
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the end of Skinny Bob. Taylor. And there's a
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couple things that I think are pretty important
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for wrapping this up. Now that we've watched
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and looked at all four videos and we've taken
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a look at the reasons for and against kind of
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in a roundabout way, I bet you're getting a pretty
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clear idea in your mind of what you believe with
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these videos. And I don't want you to share those
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yet. Oh, good. Is that for just my own after
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the episode ends for me to shout out loud? Just
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hold on. Just have faith in the process. Before
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you share with us what that is, I want you to
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ask yourself, is there one person, one person
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trustworthy enough to weigh in on this, to really
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give an unbiased opinion on the authenticity
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of Skinny Bob that would unequivocally give you
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a yes or no answer? Do you have someone in mind
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that you would... Chelsea, you and I both know
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there's only one person with a forehead so large.
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that it must be knowledgeable, who can give us
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an affirmative answer on this, and that is David
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Wilcock. Okay. With that, I want you to... Son
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of a bitch. I want you to click on that link
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and pretend that you don't see the preview right
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here. Oh, okay. Hold on, I should have shared
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my fucking screen. Damn it, I did that so wrong.
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You hold on watch this I was in a security office
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The official that ran that office told me they
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had... Oh, my God, that's Richard Doty. ...in
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an alien polling area. Oh, sorry, is he supposed
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to be anonymous here with those sunglasses? Is
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he pretending to be that alien, Skinny Bob? Or
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he is not skinny. His hands didn't have any thumbs
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just fingers very long fingers and no thumbs
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that look to me like there's suction devices
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on his fingers when Rick told me there's actually
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Since I was a kid Have you seen the skinny Bob
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video? Yes, the skinny Bob here that shot in
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the 1950s is super famous Is that what they look
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like? That's exactly what they look Skinny Bob
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is a highly controversial video. It depicts exactly
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what a gray alien is supposed to look like in
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real life. Many believe this video to be completely
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fake, but Rick Doty confirmed it to be real.
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First off, how do you seek out Richard Doty for
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anything? And not, no, you should not use him
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as a confirming source. Well, don't believe me,
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you said. Look at this one. I wanted to know,
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out of the footage we have out there on the internet,
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that's been floating around for years, and some
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people say, hey, this is an ET. In your knowledge,
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what can you tell us about, let's say, the skinny
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Bob footage that's out there? Where do you believe
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this came from? This skinny Bob is an actual
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video of an ET in a confinement facility out
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at Area 51. Do you think he's making it up? Yeah,
25:49
this is the first time he's ever seen this video.
25:52
He's like, yeah, I'm just going to go with it.
25:54
That's right. His environment and that ET's environment.
25:58
And I don't recall whether it was the atmosphere
26:01
or gravity that he needed something special,
26:05
but it was an interview. It was an interview,
26:08
the Skinny Bob. It's an actual E .T. Not sure
26:16
where it came from. But Chelsea, how can we confirm
26:21
this is the same guy from that other video just
26:23
showed me confirming that this is what that is
26:26
with those sunglasses in there? Yeah, because
26:30
just take a look at this one. Is he prepared
26:52
for that man interviewing him to slap him? Like
26:55
he is a back. I hate him. How does Richard Doty
27:05
show up so much? That looks similar to... Let's
27:12
let him say his stuff. That is probably the most
27:15
accurate that's out there. The skinny bop one.
27:18
Yeah, he's the most accurate. Okay. So, I think
27:24
that speaks for itself, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah.
27:29
It's definitely Richard Doty. Yeah, that was
27:32
Richard Doty wearing the skinny bop mask back
27:35
in the day. Like, guaranteed. If there's anything
27:39
that we found out about Richard Doty saying something
27:41
is definitely real, it's definitely because he
27:44
did it. I mean, there's the potential that there's
27:52
more out there of people who thought Richard
27:55
Doty was the right person to ask. And that means
27:58
that they legitimately said, huh. I watched this
28:01
video. I don't know what to think. I need to
28:03
get Richard Doty's opinion. I need to get an
28:06
expert. Let's ask Richard Doty. Or this man in
28:09
sunglasses who seems to be an expert in the desert.
28:14
He's pretty good. I saw him poop outside my window
28:18
one. In a bad box. It looked like he had poop.
28:22
I told a joke and he screamed at me. So that's
28:25
how they laugh. So I was... totally rooting for
28:29
skinny bob and i was like if you look at skinny
28:32
bob he's one of the videos that is most looked
28:36
at as a legitimate very hard to debunk and because
28:40
it's so hard to debunk let's take a look at it
28:42
let's then i started searching i don't know why
28:46
i was struck by the power of googling richard
28:49
doughty skinny bob god we need to apparently
28:53
google that more with any of our topics As soon
28:58
as I saw that first hit, I was like, son of a
29:01
bitch. It is fake. It's done as soon as he touches
29:05
it. And I don't know why more people don't see
29:08
that, but... So, do you want to give your thoughts?
29:15
Did I just slap everyone listening in the face
29:20
by ending these episodes like that? Oh, man.
29:24
So, yeah, I can give these. I guess Richard Doty
29:29
just said what I wanted to say in that I guarantee
29:32
these are 100 % real because I was there when
29:35
they were filming. Yeah. No. I heard a really
29:40
interesting interview from somebody who did,
29:42
it wasn't in the thing, but they did like puppetry
29:45
and things like that in the 1970s and 80s. And
29:49
they said, when I am trying to disguise something
29:52
to make it look real, I try to give it as little
29:55
screen time as possible. And I try to obscure
29:59
the parts that are hardest to fake. And when
30:03
I'm watching... I love that insight. And when
30:06
I'm watching these videos of any of the aliens,
30:09
one, they get very little screen time. Two, when
30:13
they have screen time, it's not great, like,
30:16
right on them. Despite the fact, even with that,
30:19
like, family vacation one, it's supposed to be,
30:21
like, a nice get -together with other government
30:24
officials on the other side of the table. Why
30:25
is it so bumpy around? It And they do say that
30:29
it's put in after the fact as I could see it
30:32
being if you want to hide something, whether
30:35
it be that you've taken like you're a whistleblower
30:39
or something like that. But you bring up a very
30:41
good point. But with all the other ones, the
30:44
things in question that are hard to actually
30:46
do have very little screen time. Another important
30:49
thing is we don't have an opening or an exit
30:52
to the video to show why somebody is filming
30:55
it or how they're responding or. even like the
30:58
more stable screen time. Because you got to assume
31:01
if somebody's filming this for a long period
31:03
of time, you're going to have a period where
31:04
it's at least nicely visible. But there's a lot
31:08
of those, like I just said, those characteristics
31:10
of we're getting this abruptly cut off on both
31:15
ends, obstructing, shaky. So it's hard to make
31:19
sure that the thing that you're looking at is
31:21
real. Obstructing the view of the hardest things
31:24
to recreate and mess with. And with those in
31:28
mind, I don't think I need to even do video analysis.
31:31
See, here's what I come back to. I know it says
31:34
like it's taken from a longer amount. Let's say
31:37
it's way less amount than that. Yeah, let's say
31:40
it's way less than that. Anybody can say that.
31:41
We can still... Anybody can say that. Yeah, I
31:45
agree. Maybe it's 50 ,000 minutes of video. I
31:48
don't know. I could have said that too. So let's
31:51
say that's not. There's still different scenes
31:54
that they've put together and gone to a lot of
31:57
trouble to film all these different scenes, especially
32:00
the one with the UFO and the alien that's dying.
32:04
I'm going to say he's close to death on the thing.
32:07
That's not it. Nothing's showing the actual scale
32:10
of it though. This could be something that's
32:13
very small. Nope. That's made to look to scale,
32:16
but it's actually something that fits on a desk.
32:19
Why go to so much trouble to have some, though
32:22
it's, I don't know. I keep going back. Like there's
32:24
clearly different videos of it. The question
32:28
is how much difficulty is it? That's true. And
32:32
I don't know because I've never been in, like
32:34
the makeup and cosmetics industry or anything
32:36
like that. And I mean, you still see people going
32:38
to trouble with that now with content creators.
32:41
I know this is 2011. It wasn't as popular back
32:44
then to create content. And that's exactly what
32:49
this is. No, and we have seen, and this is a
32:53
weird time to be looking at this because we have
32:54
so much AI now. This is before the AI, so we
32:57
don't have to worry about that. Yeah, it's hard
32:59
to believe. But people just created shit for
33:03
fun back in the day. It's true. That's what they
33:05
did. Like this could have taken months and they
33:08
just put it onto the internet just to, I mean,
33:11
you forget that things like 4chan and stuff like
33:14
that existed where things like this were posted.
33:17
And I forget the guy's name who used to put like
33:19
UFOs. The guy who used to post picture, not post,
33:23
like have UFOs on fishing lines. That he would
33:27
take pictures of. And like talk about. And like
33:30
these are very real. You know that's exactly
33:32
who I thought about. Oh that's the cult guy.
33:34
That's the German beautiful language. No way.
33:37
With one arm. What's his name? Guy with one arm.
33:43
German UFO fake. Billy Myers. Because he has
33:48
the same name as the Slap Chop guy. The guy who
33:51
was against the Slap Chop guy. No I'm thinking
33:53
of Billy Mays. Billy Mays. Didn't he smoke crack
33:58
or something? Was it the pillow guy? No, no,
34:00
you're thinking of a different guy. I have to
34:01
look up what Billy Mays did right now so that
34:04
we can include this. What a time to be alive.
34:07
Okay, you're right. Absolutely, there's people
34:11
that this was, yeah, that's what the internet
34:14
was for originally. Yeah, oxically. Billy Mays
34:16
was oxically. Just ferry around everywhere. You're
34:22
right, though. I think he did smoke crack. I
34:23
still love OxyClean. No, no, no. You're thinking
34:25
of the other guy. You're thinking of the other
34:26
guy, MyPillow. The MyPillow guy. MyPillow. MyPillow.
34:30
Yeah, everyone knows he smoked crack. But yeah,
34:34
2011 was just a beautiful internet time. And
34:38
I totally get the dead internet thing because
34:40
this 2011 was not dead internet. There was people
34:44
fully creating shit out there in 2011. Like it
34:47
was just developed enough that people could create
34:50
fake shit, but not developed enough that it was
34:53
created by robots. Yeah. So, you know, the nail
34:58
in the coffin was Richard Doherty. Richard Doherty
35:01
for me. Just, like, linearly listening through
35:05
the episode, it was Michael Sella. Honestly.
35:08
It wasn't going good when we came to Michael
35:12
Sella, but then we brought in Richard Doty to
35:15
say it was definitely real. And yeah, I think
35:17
if you take anything from these episodes, first
35:19
off, these are clearly fake videos. Richard Doty
35:22
told us in his reverse speaking way. He did.
35:26
But take it from people who work in animatronics
35:29
and trying to fake things for movies that you
35:33
want the thing on screen as short as possible.
35:36
You want it distorted in any way you can or shaky
35:39
so you don't have to worry about it. And the
35:41
parts that are hard to reproduce are shaded in
35:44
some way or obscured in some way. Yeah. And you
35:47
did point that out in one of the shadows around
35:50
the eyes. And if you're trying to do a medical
35:52
exam, you would have everything as bright as
35:54
possible. Yeah, that's a completely valid point,
35:58
especially with the autopsy one. And there's
36:02
a lot of stuff you said even around the eyes.
36:04
So yeah, I was really happy for this episode.
36:07
I understand why you were so happy. When it ends
36:11
with a Richard Doty reference three times over.
36:15
You know what? I didn't want to be so happy when
36:19
I found a Richard Doty connection, but I was.
36:21
I really just need to, like, Google or AI look
36:23
up, like, what Richard Doty has commented on
36:26
and just do those things. Because it would be,
36:29
they would be such beautiful episodes. You know
36:32
what? They're better as surprises, though. And
36:35
I only found it because I looked up Skinny Bob,
36:38
Richard Doty, and I don't know why. I don't usually
36:40
do that, but I did it. And I was happy to find
36:43
out. Just in case. Every now and then, yeah,
36:44
I'm like, what did all these people that we've
36:46
done asshole episodes on say on this thing? I
36:50
was rewarded by it. So yeah, that's my Skinny
36:52
Bob episodes. Awesome. Well, I don't know what
36:55
to say because we did so much other than I've
36:57
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