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Draft Priorities & Historical Jaguars Running Backs | Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, March 23 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

0:03
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March twenty third. This is Jaguars Happy
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Speaker 1: Alice and now a guy who was JP locked away
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Speaker 1: in the darkness Retreat, Brian Sex. Anyone else think that
0:19
Speaker 1: was weird? I mean that's hey, hi everybody, Brian Sexton
0:25
Speaker 1: sitting in with the Jeff Logerman for a second straight
0:27
Speaker 1: Thursday evening. Um, those are the dulceted tones of Joe Forgot,
0:31
Speaker 1: who obviously exercised all the BS opportunities that you could
0:35
Speaker 1: possibly think of. There's funny Moore alright, good? Um, but
0:40
Speaker 1: that is that is interesting? Why why you would you
0:43
Speaker 1: want to do that? First of all, I wouldn't. Can
0:45
Speaker 1: you imagine sitting in a dark room? Do you need
0:47
Speaker 1: a dark room to tell you you want to play
0:48
Speaker 1: football or you don't? Sunlight is good? Yeah, And it
0:52
Speaker 1: wasn't the toxic toad venom from from two summers ago
0:55
Speaker 1: that didn't do the trick oh whatever Rodgers did? Yeah yeah, yeah,
0:59
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I'm not you know, I'm not really hip
1:03
Speaker 1: to that kind of thing. I mean it's a I
1:07
Speaker 1: like the sunlight darkness understand. Can you can bring a
1:12
Speaker 1: pond depression all right? And voices that speak in your
1:15
Speaker 1: head to loosen is good. Yep, I'm good with it.
1:18
Speaker 1: I you know, um, Aaron Rodgers has gotten, for lack
1:23
Speaker 1: of a better term, weird. He's gone over the edge
1:26
Speaker 1: and is now I don't know that I've ever I mean,
1:30
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's ponytail was kind of strange, but Aaron Rodgers
1:34
Speaker 1: with the toad venom quite a ponytail though. No, no,
1:39
Speaker 1: there's another name for name. You gotta help me out.
1:42
Speaker 1: There's a name for a ponytail that is not quite
1:45
Speaker 1: a pony I mean, I get it. The greatness is undeniable, right,
1:48
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's a great quarterback, but you need
1:50
Speaker 1: to go sit in the darkness to decide whether you
1:52
Speaker 1: want to keep playing or not. Yeah. One of the
1:54
Speaker 1: things that I have not become one of the reasons
1:57
Speaker 1: why I'm not become not a fan of Aaron Rodgers
1:59
Speaker 1: is over the last couple of years he's been very vocal,
2:02
Speaker 1: which is which is fine. I mean, that's you're right,
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Speaker 1: you're starting quarterback and what he wants and arguably a
2:07
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame guy. But if you're really about getting
2:10
Speaker 1: better and about team and everything else, then you're doing
2:13
Speaker 1: the things that Tom Brady has done and has showed
2:16
Speaker 1: that are what it takes to be a championship caliber quarterback.
2:20
Speaker 1: Not well, I'm not going to be there for my team,
2:23
Speaker 1: and you can't. You can't sit there and bitch about
2:26
Speaker 1: a situation and then not be part of the solution
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Speaker 1: and helping the process along, which is I think what
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Speaker 1: he's done over the last two years, and I think
2:34
Speaker 1: it's a big reason why that the fan base in
2:37
Speaker 1: Green Bay is okay with him saying sionaro, Yeah, they're
2:40
Speaker 1: ready to see the love kid come on online. Here's
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Speaker 1: the other thing with Brady. Brady took less than the
2:46
Speaker 1: highest paid salary slot, always did, always did, and Aaron
2:49
Speaker 1: Rodgers owns it by a mile in Green Bay. So
2:53
Speaker 1: it is what it is. This is not Packers Today
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Speaker 1: or happy hour in Green Bay. But Joe brought it up.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Joe, appreciate it. It'll be interesting to see how
3:03
Speaker 1: that plays out. I mean, it's one of the most
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Speaker 1: compelling stories in the National Football League right now. Yeah,
3:07
Speaker 1: where's that gonna come to an end? What will the
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Speaker 1: compensation be? At one point? Will Aaron Rodgers be there
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Speaker 1: to help his teammates learn this new system that Nate
3:19
Speaker 1: Hackett is going to install. As the new offensive coordinator
3:22
Speaker 1: and will he be there to help? And you know,
3:25
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different sites and one of the
3:27
Speaker 1: most popular ones is Mike Florio's Pro Foot of Football Talk,
3:31
Speaker 1: and he has a lot of opinions about there's really
3:33
Speaker 1: no hurry for the Jets in this situation for a
3:37
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. One, Aaron Rodgers doesn't need to learn system.
3:40
Speaker 1: He already already knows the system, and that he doesn't
3:44
Speaker 1: need to be there because he probably doesn't want to
3:46
Speaker 1: be there until it's time to perform, which is game
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Speaker 1: time and I sit there and I go Those things
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Speaker 1: are all true. So he's saying that the Jets are
3:54
Speaker 1: basically in the catbird seat, and the past don't seem
3:57
Speaker 1: to understand that at all because of Aaron Rodgers at
4:00
Speaker 1: some point shows up a Green Bay and says, I'm
4:02
Speaker 1: gonna play for you and pay me. They have to
4:04
Speaker 1: pay because it's fifty four million, I think is the
4:06
Speaker 1: option bone. Yeah, it's something crazy. So the interesting part
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Speaker 1: is if you're the Jets, are you comfortable because you
4:11
Speaker 1: know he knows the system and you've already brought in
4:13
Speaker 1: Allan Lazard to go with Hackett, Maybe you wait till
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Speaker 1: the day after the draft and give him next year's
4:18
Speaker 1: draft maybe, And I'm okay with that. But at some point,
4:23
Speaker 1: if you're if you're going to try to take the
4:26
Speaker 1: next step as a franchise, and I don't care if
4:29
Speaker 1: you're the Jets or anybody for that matter, you have
4:32
Speaker 1: a new offensive system, with a new quarterback, with a
4:36
Speaker 1: lot of new components on the offensive side of the ball.
4:39
Speaker 1: You need to have your quarterback there for the voluntary
4:44
Speaker 1: aspect of the all season program and the volunt and
4:47
Speaker 1: the mandatory aspect of the all season program. And if
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Speaker 1: you're not getting that, then you're not getting Aaron Rodgers
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Speaker 1: all or whoever's all. He's made more than two hundred
4:59
Speaker 1: million dollars playing professional football, pretty good money. Answer. You
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Speaker 1: think that factors into it right now? I mean, you
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Speaker 1: think he has to convince himself that he really wants
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Speaker 1: to do. I don't think it's about I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's so much about money with him. I think it's
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Speaker 1: a little bit of more. It's more about He's always
5:14
Speaker 1: seemed to like the attention. Yeah, and I think it's
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Speaker 1: that maybe it's more important to him than the money
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Speaker 1: and the greatness the winning. Maybe I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: it's just kind of odd some of the some of
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Speaker 1: the actions that he's had over the last couple of
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Speaker 1: years when he could have clearly done some other things
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Speaker 1: that would have helped the situation in Green Bay instead
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Speaker 1: of just pointing fingers recklessly at coaches or at players.
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Speaker 1: Not a good look. All right, Well, good luck to
5:47
Speaker 1: the Jets. That's you know I say. I think I
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Speaker 1: said last week the night that the Jets beat the Rams.
5:56
Speaker 1: I remember my boys coming in and going, dad, Dad, Dad,
5:58
Speaker 1: The Jets are about to beat the Rams, and now
6:00
Speaker 1: and then to hold on after the Raiders thing right
6:01
Speaker 1: before it? Right, call me when the clock says zero zero,
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Speaker 1: coland zero zero. And the first thought when it was
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Speaker 1: was what are they doing so they get the second
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Speaker 1: best quarterback or who they thought was the second best quarterback?
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Speaker 1: And now they're playing around with Aaron Rodgers and tens
6:18
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars in salary. I mean, kat bird
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Speaker 1: Seed right here, Duke Baal County, right, Jacksonville, Florida, have
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Speaker 1: your quarterback? Have your coach from one game? One game,
6:29
Speaker 1: one one game they shouldn't have won, changed the fortunes
6:32
Speaker 1: of two franchise. And don't you know that the Jets
6:35
Speaker 1: front office, not the coaching staff, but the Jets front
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Speaker 1: office on that fight home had to have their you know,
6:39
Speaker 1: their hand in their hands, going, oh my god, what
6:42
Speaker 1: did we just cost ourselves? What did we just do? Well,
6:45
Speaker 1: now what you had is the front office all I
6:47
Speaker 1: think it was twelve people supposedly that went to visit
6:51
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in California. Yeah. Yeah, interested back to California
6:56
Speaker 1: where things didn't go well. Speaking of the Jaguars, let's
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Speaker 1: start there. Dennis Johnson, they're running back from South Florida,
7:04
Speaker 1: who played in Cleveland as the third back last year,
7:08
Speaker 1: was just in here signing his contract. They were taking pictures.
7:11
Speaker 1: It'll all be up on social media soon. The Jaguars
7:14
Speaker 1: are playing in I don't want to This is not
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Speaker 1: meant to be an insult. They're playing in bargain free
7:20
Speaker 1: agency now right now, which is what we talked about
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Speaker 1: last week, right about, Hey, look, you know there are
7:24
Speaker 1: some guys that you're going to be able to get
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Speaker 1: that are in that mid mid to lower tier and
7:29
Speaker 1: that's where you're going to be a player. And that's
7:30
Speaker 1: where we talked about things that might make a difference
7:33
Speaker 1: the coach, the culture, the facilities, etc. Right, but he's
7:36
Speaker 1: a guy who's done some things. He had one hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty six yards rushing in a game last year
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Speaker 1: for the Browns. Um he seems to be a guy
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Speaker 1: who can give them beyond just being that third back
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Speaker 1: that change the paceback. Seems like he's a good, solid
7:50
Speaker 1: special teams guy as well. Well, that's what that's what
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Speaker 1: That third back is got to be third back first,
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Speaker 1: you know. And here's a question, would he be the
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Speaker 1: number two back or would he be the number three back?
8:02
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's legitimate competition. Really always there
8:07
Speaker 1: is legitimate competition between a third and a second back
8:10
Speaker 1: about who's going to be the next man up behind
8:12
Speaker 1: etn Right, So I think that that's But but special
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Speaker 1: teams has got to be a big part of that,
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Speaker 1: Especially when you've got limited guys on your offense that
8:22
Speaker 1: at other positions tight end, wide receiver that are great
8:27
Speaker 1: special teams players. You're not getting that. So that position
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Speaker 1: has to be first and foremost a special teams player
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Speaker 1: or a really good back and a marginal special teams player.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Jag salary cap and By
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Speaker 1: the way, we're going to talk about the Jaguars positions, right,
8:44
Speaker 1: the positions of greatest need? How many? How many people
8:47
Speaker 1: have come up to you? Because I've had this question
8:50
Speaker 1: so many different times. It's like everywhere I go, Right, Jeff,
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Speaker 1: what are we doing? Are we? Are we not going
8:58
Speaker 1: to sign anybody? Get that a lot? Are we Are
9:01
Speaker 1: we not gonna help sign and get better? We've just
9:06
Speaker 1: lost people. We've gotten worse, we haven't gotten better. All right,
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Speaker 1: So two things. One, the opening of free agency has
9:13
Speaker 1: become holiday in Dubo County over the last couple of years.
9:16
Speaker 1: Last year that you've always been at a record one
9:17
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five million dollars, the most ever spent
9:19
Speaker 1: by one team on one free agent class. Yeah, but
9:23
Speaker 1: how much was the amount of contracts? The contracts though,
9:27
Speaker 1: I think we're bigger than that. I thought it was
9:30
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five guaranteed guarantee guaranteed money. But
9:33
Speaker 1: I think the total contract value is like three hundred
9:35
Speaker 1: and twenty three million or something like that, most ever
9:38
Speaker 1: one class. And the year before they went out and
9:40
Speaker 1: made big splash, you Riffin, Rashon Jenkins, and Roy Robertson Harris.
9:44
Speaker 1: People have been spoiled by this. They've gotten used to
9:47
Speaker 1: this being that really big day when the Jaguars get better,
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Speaker 1: right when you get the quarterback and the salary cap room.
9:53
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest. The Jaguars spent their money
9:56
Speaker 1: last year. There's nothing to spend, there's no room. They're
9:58
Speaker 1: renegotiating contract acts. Let's just lay this out. Okay, who
10:02
Speaker 1: just got redone? All right? So, um fully fought Dakasi.
10:05
Speaker 1: They just here, how do you how do you do
10:07
Speaker 1: this and make it simple for people? Um? You take
10:10
Speaker 1: what's called paragraph five, which you know former that's your
10:13
Speaker 1: annual salaries, baseline, your your salaries, right. So, and then
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Speaker 1: the only way that you can really gain an advantage
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Speaker 1: in cap space is that you're converting what is gonna
10:24
Speaker 1: be your salary for this year into a signing bonus,
10:29
Speaker 1: which that can then be spread out through the remainder
10:32
Speaker 1: of the years of the deal. One and so you
10:35
Speaker 1: have to have a high paragraph five. Do you give
10:37
Speaker 1: people an idea? Just real quick? Yeah, let's say Fodikasi
10:40
Speaker 1: had and we're gonna do this for simple terms, right,
10:42
Speaker 1: that he had five million dollars salary, okay, and he
10:46
Speaker 1: had five years remaining left on the deal. So let's
10:50
Speaker 1: say you cut or six million dollars in salaries, So
10:52
Speaker 1: you cut his salary by five millions. So what you're
10:55
Speaker 1: doing is spreading the five million over the course of
10:58
Speaker 1: five years. So you're dropping a cat pit this year
11:01
Speaker 1: to one, buying a meet from six right down to one,
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Speaker 1: actually two if you're going to amaterize the signing bonus
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Speaker 1: throughout the remainder of the five years, this year being
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Speaker 1: one of them, right, But that's a significant drop. So
11:14
Speaker 1: you're basically using cash money up front now to open
11:19
Speaker 1: up room now, but at some point you gotta pay
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Speaker 1: for it later on. It's like our old friend Vic
11:25
Speaker 1: Catchman used to say, it's like a credit card. You're
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Speaker 1: just pushing it out, right, You're pushing the money out.
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Speaker 1: So if you put too much in next year, it
11:33
Speaker 1: limits next year, or if you put too much in
11:35
Speaker 1: the year after, it limits the year after. And one
11:39
Speaker 1: thing that you have to be careful of, the only
11:41
Speaker 1: thing that you've got to be cognizant of about how
11:44
Speaker 1: far you push that money out. When's the next big
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Speaker 1: payday for your quarterback. You cannot screw that year up
11:52
Speaker 1: from a salary cap standpoint, that could be as soon
11:54
Speaker 1: as next season, because your guy is eligible after his
11:57
Speaker 1: third year, so it could be next year, or it
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Speaker 1: could be the year after. Then have the fifth year option.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they've got time to You don't want to
12:03
Speaker 1: get to a fifth year option and next year probably
12:07
Speaker 1: a year early because you've got some issues now. So
12:09
Speaker 1: two years from now you've got to make sure bring
12:12
Speaker 1: up twenty twenty five that you don't have yourself in
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Speaker 1: a position that's going to affect your ability to get
12:17
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence signed to a long term deal. So there
12:20
Speaker 1: are a couple of guys left with a big paragraph five.
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Speaker 1: Not a lot, you know, they redid Christian Kirk ands
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Speaker 1: A Jones and a lot. They've already redone. They've redone them.
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Speaker 1: There's just a few left, so let me give them
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Speaker 1: to you, and I use spot track, by the way,
12:33
Speaker 1: which is one of two or three services over the
12:35
Speaker 1: caps another one. It might not be down to the
12:37
Speaker 1: penny exact, but it's pretty close right. So Cam Robinson,
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Speaker 1: according to spot track, has sixteen million dollars in paragraph five,
12:45
Speaker 1: and Darius Williams the corner has eleven and ray Sean Jenkins.
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Speaker 1: The safety has seven and a half. So you do
12:52
Speaker 1: the math there, you're like, what thirty four and a
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Speaker 1: half roughly thirty five millions in salary this next year.
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Speaker 1: So there's a there's a big chunk. You can call
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Speaker 1: that paragraph five salary right for people that are wondering,
13:05
Speaker 1: that's that's the annual salary, right. So there's a big chunk.
13:07
Speaker 1: You could go and clawback and you could move the
13:10
Speaker 1: money out and buy some space if there was something
13:14
Speaker 1: you had to have. And by the way they read
13:16
Speaker 1: it fully fought Dakassi this week already he was on
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Speaker 1: my list here, um, and so they're at about was
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Speaker 1: his number eight and a half? Eight and a half
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Speaker 1: in paragraph five in paragraph five, So there's a big chunk.
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Speaker 1: And it's worth noting you can only take these guys
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Speaker 1: down to the veteran minimum. You can't take him down
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Speaker 1: to four hundred thousand, which is right, or a dollar
13:35
Speaker 1: and the rookie. The veteran minimum for these guys is
13:38
Speaker 1: roughly a million and a half. Yeah, and it depends
13:40
Speaker 1: on your as of service exactly, So you can only
13:42
Speaker 1: do so much. There's there's a bunch of accounting tricks
13:44
Speaker 1: to get it done. And by the way, the accounting
13:46
Speaker 1: tricks caught this team, and you remember we lived through
13:48
Speaker 1: that back in two thousand and two. One of the
13:50
Speaker 1: reasons why you had it's one of the reasons why
13:53
Speaker 1: I kind of go, don't get crazy here and do
13:55
Speaker 1: too much. Um. I wonder if Cam and Darius and
14:01
Speaker 1: ray Sean, I mean, do you really those are guys
14:05
Speaker 1: can They've made a big investment in Darius is a
14:07
Speaker 1: two year deal. I think Ray Shawn's got another year
14:10
Speaker 1: on his deal. How in other words, if you push
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Speaker 1: the money out, you got to add years to the contract,
14:19
Speaker 1: right because Ken, I mean, you start to get into
14:22
Speaker 1: some interesting cap and onmics a couple of other guys
14:24
Speaker 1: to consider. They could always do a deal with Evan Ingram,
14:26
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're working on that, right They said
14:29
Speaker 1: when they applied the franchise tag that this is something
14:33
Speaker 1: they have time until July fifteenth to be able to
14:36
Speaker 1: get a deal that would provide you with some room.
14:39
Speaker 1: And then at that point the windows closed, right then
14:41
Speaker 1: he got to play for that number the rest of
14:43
Speaker 1: the day. Then you can't negotiate a long term deal,
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Speaker 1: which I've never understood that will you tell me you
14:49
Speaker 1: run the players. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I
14:50
Speaker 1: don't really understand. I mean, if I think it's just
14:54
Speaker 1: a deadline, they're trying to make it so being what
14:56
Speaker 1: they're really trying to do is to set yourself up.
14:58
Speaker 1: So if you good, Let's say they had done this
14:59
Speaker 1: with want Taylor and he had an eighteen million dollars
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Speaker 1: salary cap figure, team would want to get too close
15:05
Speaker 1: to the season with that, right, So it's a it's
15:07
Speaker 1: that deadline where you got to get crunching on the numbers.
15:10
Speaker 1: For a lot of people that are wondering, why didn't
15:12
Speaker 1: the Jaguars keep Juwan Taylor here? Eighteen million dollars franchise? Now? Yeah, word,
15:17
Speaker 1: we're talking about trying. I mean, and he ended up
15:19
Speaker 1: getting an average of twenty twenty. Yeah twenty. You can't.
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Speaker 1: You can't make that number work under your current cap situation.
15:28
Speaker 1: So I guess interesting point, and somebody might be asking
15:32
Speaker 1: that as they listen right now, well, what do you
15:33
Speaker 1: need the cap room for now? I mean, there's no
15:36
Speaker 1: one really left to sign. There's not a guy that
15:38
Speaker 1: you're gonna go and swing at. Is there you need
15:41
Speaker 1: about ten million for your rookie class, and then you
15:43
Speaker 1: want to cush it. You know, guys get hurt. You
15:46
Speaker 1: want to sign someone during the season. You need a
15:48
Speaker 1: little bit of salary cap room to be able to
15:50
Speaker 1: play well. You want to sign you know, guy like
15:53
Speaker 1: veteran guys that are available, somebody that you'd like to
15:56
Speaker 1: bring in at some point. Yeah. Maybe, but they're talking
15:59
Speaker 1: about a defensive Yeah, some guy that you know used
16:01
Speaker 1: to play here, defensive tackle that's available. You know, you
16:05
Speaker 1: haven't heard that from people when you're standing are CC
16:09
Speaker 1: You haven't heard that of publics, have you? But so
16:11
Speaker 1: real quick, we set this all up and kind of
16:13
Speaker 1: give you the sense of where they are in the
16:15
Speaker 1: salary cap to tell you that their bargain basement shopping
16:19
Speaker 1: right now. They're looking for guys um. There have been
16:22
Speaker 1: reports you've seen them that they're looking in the defensive
16:24
Speaker 1: line area. Also, they haven't officially signed these guys um,
16:30
Speaker 1: but they're playing there. So what does that tell you
16:34
Speaker 1: about what they think about the draft class? Because I
16:37
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, defensive line. Defensive tackle is one
16:41
Speaker 1: of your hotspots in the draft. To me, that well,
16:44
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, that's that's your number one need
16:46
Speaker 1: on your football team as a as a pass rushing
16:48
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. You need these guys out there. Wow, they've
16:54
Speaker 1: been found in the past. Do you just need to
16:56
Speaker 1: find one? You're arden key who is gone? Wait, he's gone,
17:02
Speaker 1: he's gone, and being sarcastic. I mean I say about that. Yeah,
17:07
Speaker 1: we'll have that conversation in a minute. But he was.
17:09
Speaker 1: He was arguably your best interior pass rusher, and are
17:15
Speaker 1: arguably your best outside pass rusher too. You could make
17:20
Speaker 1: that an argument. He was a good football player, but
17:23
Speaker 1: you need to find a way to get production and
17:27
Speaker 1: push on the inside. Fodacasi has never been that guy
17:31
Speaker 1: Roy Robertson Harris at the end of this life, you'd
17:35
Speaker 1: like for him to continue to get better. I mean,
17:37
Speaker 1: there's nothing against the rules that say an older player
17:40
Speaker 1: can't get better. Hit that sack against the Jets, Yes,
17:43
Speaker 1: and he had the one here consistently. He's not a
17:46
Speaker 1: disruptive force as an interior pass rusher. He's I think
17:49
Speaker 1: he's adequate at a time. But Fotakasi is essentially a zero.
17:52
Speaker 1: When I say a zero, that's not meant to be derogatory.
17:55
Speaker 1: He says he's a He's a zero. Technique which a
17:59
Speaker 1: zero is a no tackle, which he goes. Tackles typically
18:02
Speaker 1: are not pass rushers. I think that's what Podokos he is.
18:05
Speaker 1: And he's a good one now when he's when he's
18:07
Speaker 1: on his game, he's really stout, he's really strong. But
18:09
Speaker 1: you've got to find somebody that can impact the passer
18:12
Speaker 1: from the inside. And you've got to have some some length,
18:14
Speaker 1: You got to have some size to be able to
18:16
Speaker 1: do that. You can't make a living doing that with
18:19
Speaker 1: guys that are of the stature of what Art and
18:21
Speaker 1: Key was, six foot five or six foot six and
18:24
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty pounds. It's just not consistent enough.
18:28
Speaker 1: So you've got to find a guy. Do you find
18:29
Speaker 1: that guy in the draft? Maybe? Do you find that
18:33
Speaker 1: in the veteran bargain market? Well? Maybe? And here's the reality,
18:38
Speaker 1: you probably could use a little bit of both, right,
18:41
Speaker 1: And that brings us That brings us to the other
18:43
Speaker 1: answer to the question how are we going to get better?
18:45
Speaker 1: And that is is that your roster is young and
18:47
Speaker 1: can get better improvement, right, Guys like Trayvon Walker got
18:53
Speaker 1: to get better, Calevan Chase, Devin Lloyd, Devin Lloyd. How
18:56
Speaker 1: to get better, Right, any of these guys that are
18:59
Speaker 1: here that or young players have the opportunity to make
19:02
Speaker 1: your roster better from within. I think that, yes, that's
19:06
Speaker 1: the answer. You always would. And again what we talked
19:08
Speaker 1: about last week, the lifeblood of any franchise is the draft,
19:11
Speaker 1: and you've got to continue to draft and developed to
19:13
Speaker 1: be able to continue to be a winner or to
19:16
Speaker 1: be able to get to be in a winner. This
19:18
Speaker 1: football team has got to get improvement out of the
19:21
Speaker 1: players that they have right now. But here's the reality. Also,
19:24
Speaker 1: you're not going to get some improvement out of some
19:26
Speaker 1: players that you have because you don't have a lot
19:29
Speaker 1: of guys that you're going Oh the arrow's pointing up on. Okay,
19:32
Speaker 1: for example, name me a young defensive tackle on this
19:36
Speaker 1: roster that you go, man, this guy is really going
19:38
Speaker 1: to be good. I can't. I don't think they've got it.
19:40
Speaker 1: I really don't have it. They've got divine house whose
19:44
Speaker 1: divine Hamilton's good player? Right? Okay? Because player he's a
19:49
Speaker 1: zero technique kind of guy. He's he's him and fought
19:51
Speaker 1: a Kasi I put in the same category, right, Okay,
19:54
Speaker 1: very similar players. Now, do you have any other young,
20:00
Speaker 1: developing players on the defensive side of the ball, because
20:02
Speaker 1: that's the side of the ball that we look at
20:03
Speaker 1: as being the most needful. Do you have any young
20:06
Speaker 1: corners that you think, hey, look, this guy's gonna be good. Tyson,
20:13
Speaker 1: I mean Tyson, you feel like he is good? Darius
20:17
Speaker 1: Wims average? Yeah, he is what he is? Um, do
20:21
Speaker 1: you can you get one of these young guys? So
20:23
Speaker 1: if he had two one of six and seventh round
20:25
Speaker 1: pick last year, two young players, did they show anything
20:28
Speaker 1: last year? I mean, to be fair, I think they
20:32
Speaker 1: still can get better. Right, I'm not trying to say
20:34
Speaker 1: that that is a dead end road. He got a
20:36
Speaker 1: couple of opportunities, but he wasn't ready for it. He's
20:38
Speaker 1: one hundred ninety pounds. So you need to from Gregor
20:43
Speaker 1: Junior from Watch Top Baptists. Washa, washita, I think is
20:47
Speaker 1: how you say that? Yeah? And that right set ourselves
20:49
Speaker 1: up for that one. He's yellow shirt today. He didn't
20:51
Speaker 1: get a lot of time. Washita, washta, watch ta. Okay,
20:59
Speaker 1: I think washing sounds better. It's kind of close to tomato. Tomato, potato, patato.
21:05
Speaker 1: You get my point? No, No, look where your head
21:07
Speaker 1: it is is what are the areas of greatest need,
21:11
Speaker 1: not just for not just four guys who could come
21:14
Speaker 1: into the impactful tomorrow, because we know that in the
21:17
Speaker 1: draft that takes time, but overall on the roster. So
21:20
Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's take a break, let's come back,
21:22
Speaker 1: and I want to quiz you on the areas where
21:25
Speaker 1: you think this team needs to address quickly in the draft.
21:29
Speaker 1: And then again this veteran free agent. All right, this
21:31
Speaker 1: is Jaguars Happy our Brian with Jeff this evening, Joe
21:34
Speaker 1: alongside making little quirks in his nice yellow shirts, Gray
21:39
Speaker 1: greats the color of the day. Buddy. We'll take a
21:41
Speaker 1: break and come back right after this on ten ten
21:43
Speaker 1: XL and the Jaguars Digital Network would that the stock.
21:58
Speaker 1: I ain't a lie. After the year, I thought I
22:01
Speaker 1: was gonna be a Jacksonville Zawar, but I felt disrespectful
22:07
Speaker 1: because I came came over there, turned built up, the coaching,
22:13
Speaker 1: brought a whole lot of energy, change of city, change
22:17
Speaker 1: of town, and I felt like I was am I
22:21
Speaker 1: right right from mine. I was gonna be a Jackson
22:23
Speaker 1: the Jaguar, but that didn't happened. I don't know how
22:28
Speaker 1: he got disrespected out of that. I just I really don't.
22:31
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a fan favorite, and he did
22:34
Speaker 1: bring a lot of energy, and he was great in
22:36
Speaker 1: the locker room, but disrespected. How about the Titans had
22:40
Speaker 1: more money to give you, pal the Jaguars is we
22:42
Speaker 1: just spent the last segment outlining just didn't have the
22:46
Speaker 1: options to be able to pay arden Key when they're
22:49
Speaker 1: thinking about how do I get Trevor Lawrence done next year?
22:52
Speaker 1: And a number of young guys that are coming up soon.
22:55
Speaker 1: Disrespect rule of thumb number one. When you go to
22:58
Speaker 1: a new place, you don't tell the new place you
23:00
Speaker 1: really wanted to go back to the old place. Okay,
23:04
Speaker 1: that's rule number one. Okay, Rule number two, it's a business, Okay,
23:10
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have economics issues. It's not about respect or disrespect. Uh.
23:17
Speaker 1: Number three is you didn't change the culture. Maybe you
23:22
Speaker 1: were a part of it. I'll give you credit for that.
23:24
Speaker 1: Did you change the city though I thought I heard
23:26
Speaker 1: him say he changed this change the city too? Yeah? Yeah.
23:32
Speaker 1: It was a third round pick of the Raiders, his
23:34
Speaker 1: fourth team. Love the guys, and by the way, for
23:37
Speaker 1: those that were watching on our social media channels, he
23:40
Speaker 1: looked fantastic. He was sharply dressed. He's a good guy
23:43
Speaker 1: and he's fun to be around, and love the guy really.
23:47
Speaker 1: First of all, again, rule number one, don't tell the
23:50
Speaker 1: place that you just went to, you that you would
23:53
Speaker 1: rather have stayed at where you were at. But if
23:55
Speaker 1: your he was going to happen, now you're chasing, I mean,
23:57
Speaker 1: now you're chasing the quarterback who harry this franchise through
24:01
Speaker 1: those last couple of weeks. Well he didn't carry the franchise.
24:04
Speaker 1: AD changed change before. Yeah, he should have slipped that
24:09
Speaker 1: in there too, Ryan Tannehill Chamber quarterback. I change the cultury,
24:14
Speaker 1: change the city that let him go. Who knows. It's
24:19
Speaker 1: all good. I love Arden, but Arden might need a
24:23
Speaker 1: little media coaching there a lot of media coach out
24:26
Speaker 1: four and a half Sacks doesn't tell the whole story
24:28
Speaker 1: of what he did last player. He's a really good
24:30
Speaker 1: players player and a good guy. The disrespect card, please
24:33
Speaker 1: don't play that one. It's the one everyone plays, all right. Um.
24:38
Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on a Thursday afternoon, Brian and Jeff Logeman.
24:42
Speaker 1: We talked through the salary cap and why the Jaguars
24:44
Speaker 1: are playing at them again. It sounds like disrespectful to
24:48
Speaker 1: Ernest Johnson and these other guys they're talking to. But
24:51
Speaker 1: you're playing in the bargain zone. Those when I say,
24:54
Speaker 1: when you say bargain zone, there's nothing wrong with that
24:57
Speaker 1: because there's plenty of guys that have played in the
24:58
Speaker 1: bargain zone and then next year they end up hitting
25:00
Speaker 1: free agency again and have a chance at making a
25:03
Speaker 1: much more significant contract, and there's nothing wrong with It's
25:06
Speaker 1: not big money, no, it's if you're finding guys that
25:08
Speaker 1: come in it'sign a one or two year deal to
25:10
Speaker 1: play a role. Well. A lot of people will say
25:13
Speaker 1: that there's the halves and the halves nots in the
25:15
Speaker 1: National Football League and that there's no middle class. I
25:17
Speaker 1: don't I don't agree with that. I think there still
25:20
Speaker 1: is a middle class in the National Football League. But
25:23
Speaker 1: there are more guys that are at that. There are
25:26
Speaker 1: more bigger numbers at the top. And it's not put
25:30
Speaker 1: it this way. It's a it's a it's not a
25:33
Speaker 1: flat curved where you have an equal number of everybody
25:35
Speaker 1: at all different you know, salary levels. There are smaller
25:40
Speaker 1: guys with big numbers, and then there's more guys with
25:43
Speaker 1: smaller numbers. But there's some guys that are in that
25:45
Speaker 1: middle class that make good money, and there's a significant
25:48
Speaker 1: number of them too. All right, so let's look at needs,
25:51
Speaker 1: right um, Free agency by design was going to be quiet,
25:54
Speaker 1: and it was going to be a guy here and
25:56
Speaker 1: a guy there. They got the running back. Today, there's
25:59
Speaker 1: talk about a couple of sensive tackles. Jaguars have nothing official,
26:02
Speaker 1: So we don't have anything official for you on that.
26:04
Speaker 1: You had defensive tackle, but number toma who can rush
26:09
Speaker 1: the passer? Yes? So not Devon Hamilton not fully fought
26:12
Speaker 1: to cost you. No, you're good there. You don't need
26:14
Speaker 1: a you don't need a zero technique. You don't need
26:17
Speaker 1: a one technique. You need a three technique. Somebody that
26:21
Speaker 1: can rush the pass. Now, I get that on first
26:24
Speaker 1: and second down, okay, and then also on third down
26:27
Speaker 1: because on third down, Trayvon Walker can slide inside. Right?
26:30
Speaker 1: Maybe right? I mean, I mean, has he shown that
26:33
Speaker 1: he can be a dominant inside pass rusher. No, he
26:35
Speaker 1: hasn't yet yet. He hasn't shown that he can be
26:38
Speaker 1: a dominant pass rusher. He's got a lot to prove
26:40
Speaker 1: this year. This is not a defensive tackle heavy draft.
26:45
Speaker 1: So let's look at number two on your list cornerback. Correct,
26:49
Speaker 1: we talk about Tyson Campbell. It's a three cornerback league now,
26:52
Speaker 1: it is, I mean, and it's weird to play Nickels
26:55
Speaker 1: sixty five percent of the time, sixty five percent of
26:57
Speaker 1: the time. And the league is slam even more heavily
27:01
Speaker 1: than that, it seems like over the last year and
27:03
Speaker 1: a half, two years, so I would say that it
27:07
Speaker 1: might even be pushing seventy percent. It's a good draft
27:10
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft for cornerbacks. However, there
27:14
Speaker 1: might be a run before the Jaguards at twenty four,
27:16
Speaker 1: and you might not see the Joey Porters right who
27:19
Speaker 1: fits somewhere in the middle on the board, let alone
27:23
Speaker 1: like Christian Gonzalez, the kid from Oregon who has a
27:25
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey kind of frame, you know, tall and long.
27:29
Speaker 1: That guy's going to be gone in the top ten, right.
27:31
Speaker 1: But look, look, Brian, if you go back and you
27:33
Speaker 1: look at the history of the draft, are there not
27:37
Speaker 1: guys that end up being great players later in the
27:41
Speaker 1: first round and then also in the second round. You
27:44
Speaker 1: just got to find the right guy, and that's not
27:46
Speaker 1: easy to do it. I mean, the farther back that
27:48
Speaker 1: you get in the draft, the more difficult it becomes.
27:50
Speaker 1: The percentage just drop that that player is going to be.
27:52
Speaker 1: I mean that's just history shows and we use Gregory
27:54
Speaker 1: Junior from the Watch Top Baptist. It's a percentage's game, right, Okay,
27:58
Speaker 1: So but that to me, that's the number two. Number one.
28:02
Speaker 1: You need a pass rushing defensive tackle. Number two you
28:05
Speaker 1: need another corner. Shaq Griffin's gone, right, Okay, he's gone.
28:11
Speaker 1: You were hoping this past year that you would have
28:13
Speaker 1: had three with Darius Williams being that third guy. Well,
28:18
Speaker 1: is he the second guy now or is he still
28:20
Speaker 1: a third guy? I don't know. Well, so they talked
28:23
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, um, and I know for a fact that
28:27
Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell talked about how much better Williams played when
28:31
Speaker 1: they moved him outside. Yeah, he played better. So was
28:34
Speaker 1: it great? I mean my answer to that is no. Okay,
28:38
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that he played poorly, right, I
28:41
Speaker 1: just think that if if you're satisfied with that being
28:46
Speaker 1: where you want to be, then you're not where you
28:48
Speaker 1: need to. I'm just wondering, can you find somebody who
28:52
Speaker 1: can play outside and inside? Right? I mean, if you
28:55
Speaker 1: need to take whatever you can find. Okay, so what
28:57
Speaker 1: you want to take the best corner that you can find,
28:59
Speaker 1: whether that it's an inside guy for for nickel or
29:02
Speaker 1: if it's an outside guy, and then you make it work.
29:04
Speaker 1: How do you feel about a safety who can play nickel, Well,
29:07
Speaker 1: that's great. Brian Branch is the kid from Alabama who
29:10
Speaker 1: would love it. Everything I hear is he can step
29:12
Speaker 1: down here, can do that. Well, that's true, but we
29:15
Speaker 1: saw it last year in Baltimore or their rookie safety
29:17
Speaker 1: from um was it Notre Dame? Yes? What was his name?
29:22
Speaker 1: And I should have just just but anyway, he played.
29:26
Speaker 1: He played safety. Kid. Many people thought he was the
29:30
Speaker 1: highest rated player in the draft overall point he was
29:33
Speaker 1: a top ten ended up falling down a little bit,
29:35
Speaker 1: but he played safety, and then he actually was when
29:39
Speaker 1: they went to their nickel package, he stepped most of
29:43
Speaker 1: the time. He went in and played the slot position,
29:46
Speaker 1: which is very rare for a guy that has length
29:48
Speaker 1: that is a safety to be able to move into
29:52
Speaker 1: that position. Well, and that's the kid from Alabama, Branch,
29:55
Speaker 1: which is why you can do the same thing. Probably
29:57
Speaker 1: won't be there when they're sitting there at twenty four.
30:00
Speaker 1: No reason I ask is you know, twenty four is
30:03
Speaker 1: such a different position for this team than they've been
30:04
Speaker 1: in recent years, and so I think you're going to
30:07
Speaker 1: be in a position there where there's going to be
30:10
Speaker 1: a defensive back, a defensive tackle, a tight end. There's
30:14
Speaker 1: probably when you look at at the draft, Okay, the
30:18
Speaker 1: Jaguars have been amongst the top for many years, they're
30:23
Speaker 1: probably were about eight nine guys that the Jaguars could
30:30
Speaker 1: have been picking at Leonard fourn As position. Okay, last year,
30:34
Speaker 1: there was about four guys that were being talked about
30:37
Speaker 1: for the first overall pick. When Trevor's draft class, there
30:41
Speaker 1: was no question who the pick was going to be.
30:44
Speaker 1: But when you get down into the latter part of
30:45
Speaker 1: the first round, I think that there are probably ten
30:50
Speaker 1: to twelve guys that could be candidates. I'm talking about
30:53
Speaker 1: legitimate candidates for the Jaguars to pick at that position.
30:56
Speaker 1: Because at the top of the draft you have kind
30:59
Speaker 1: of an elite number that can be from seven to
31:02
Speaker 1: eight to twelve guys that are considered elite players. And
31:06
Speaker 1: then the draft changes a little bit. Now you start
31:08
Speaker 1: to get into there's a larger number of guys that
31:11
Speaker 1: have very similar grades, and so the number of players
31:14
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars could be considering at that position or
31:18
Speaker 1: that draft slot, I think is much larger than it
31:21
Speaker 1: would have been at the top eight of the draft.
31:24
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see where they pick, or
31:28
Speaker 1: not where necessarily where they pick, but who they pick
31:30
Speaker 1: because there are multiple positions that they have to consider
31:34
Speaker 1: and should consider. Can I give you a thought on
31:37
Speaker 1: one of those positions? And it is not defense? The
31:40
Speaker 1: Chiefs average just under thirty points a game last year.
31:44
Speaker 1: The Jaguar is just under twenty four. You got to
31:47
Speaker 1: make up a touchdown. And there's a part of me
31:50
Speaker 1: and I know I know Doug Peterson's history. You know,
31:53
Speaker 1: I talked with them a little this week. He's a
31:58
Speaker 1: guy who he won down score you. If there's a
32:02
Speaker 1: tight end sitting there, not a Chris Manherd's type. If
32:07
Speaker 1: there's a Michael Mayer who is an all around tight end,
32:12
Speaker 1: he's not don't know Washington to get from they can
32:13
Speaker 1: catch end block, well, it's probably the most pro ready guy.
32:17
Speaker 1: Sure would you do that? Sure? Could you find enough
32:19
Speaker 1: value with a tight end position? Knowing that offensive tackle,
32:23
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, and corner are premium positions. It's one of
32:27
Speaker 1: the reasons why that when you have the opportunity and
32:29
Speaker 1: free agency to plug your holes, you do that so
32:32
Speaker 1: that you can go into the draft saying, hey, look,
32:35
Speaker 1: we just want to take the best player for us,
32:38
Speaker 1: which you don't want to go in They're saying, you
32:40
Speaker 1: know what, we don't have a pass rushing defensive tackle.
32:42
Speaker 1: You know what, we don't have a third corner. You
32:46
Speaker 1: go ahead and you you and you fill those holes
32:48
Speaker 1: in free agency, whether it's guys on one year deals
32:52
Speaker 1: or a two year deal for you know, a bargain
32:55
Speaker 1: type player or a veteran player that's just looking for
32:59
Speaker 1: a little bigger pay day in the second years, probably
33:02
Speaker 1: going to go away, and then you can go into
33:04
Speaker 1: the draft seeking exactly the best player that you can
33:07
Speaker 1: find for your situation. Yeah. Absolutely, if I'm sitting but
33:11
Speaker 1: but but Brian, I want to find some of those
33:13
Speaker 1: guys that we talked about, right, because I had pass
33:16
Speaker 1: rushing defensive tackle right at number one for this team's
33:20
Speaker 1: corner number two, corner number two, you had blocking tight
33:23
Speaker 1: end number three, blocking tight end number three, or I'll
33:25
Speaker 1: take any kind of a talented tight end, right, Okay,
33:29
Speaker 1: you had any type of pass rusher at four right,
33:32
Speaker 1: which which means that this team needs two inside rushers.
33:36
Speaker 1: Or look if you can get a talented guy on
33:38
Speaker 1: the outside right, because that's kind of what arden Key
33:41
Speaker 1: was for you too. And then you've got Smoot, who's
33:43
Speaker 1: going to be coming back from a pretty significant injury.
33:46
Speaker 1: You need some depth there. And then number five is
33:49
Speaker 1: that Walker Little was an excellent swing tackle. Last swing tackle.
33:52
Speaker 1: Now you don't have a swing tackle. Ask a question,
33:54
Speaker 1: would you be at twenty four if one of the
33:59
Speaker 1: tackles slide? There's some good tackles in this draft? Um,
34:02
Speaker 1: I think the kid from Tennessee, Darnell watt Is is
34:06
Speaker 1: a guy who kind of fits in that, you know,
34:10
Speaker 1: nineteen to twenty five kind of range. Would it take
34:13
Speaker 1: a young offensive tackle? I would Again, if I'm filling
34:16
Speaker 1: the best player available, If I'm filling my holes with
34:19
Speaker 1: free agency, knowing that he's probably not gonna get on
34:21
Speaker 1: the field this year and help you this year, well
34:23
Speaker 1: why couldn't I put him a guard? I guess you could.
34:26
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about I don't know whether this kid
34:27
Speaker 1: can play guard. I'm not talking about replacing you know,
34:31
Speaker 1: you know veteran. Okay, you're the guy that you've paid
34:33
Speaker 1: in free agency last year. Okay, because Sheriff's a good
34:36
Speaker 1: football play anybody even healthy. Last year we're talking about
34:39
Speaker 1: it the other side. But Shatley played very well, right,
34:43
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. And I want to keep Shatley
34:45
Speaker 1: because I think he's an excellent backup and I think
34:47
Speaker 1: ben Barts could use some competition. Well, here's one for you.
34:50
Speaker 1: The word was, if they had been able to keep
34:54
Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor, that Walker Little could have played inside at guard.
35:00
Speaker 1: Did you make Walker guard if you take an offensive tackle.
35:02
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that, Okay, you know, I mean I
35:05
Speaker 1: would love to say yeah that. I don't know your perspective.
35:08
Speaker 1: I thought I thought his skill set is tackle. Okay,
35:14
Speaker 1: But then again, I remember when Ogden played guard. I'm like,
35:16
Speaker 1: there's no way nine and he didn't really really good too,
35:22
Speaker 1: and he did it really well, so, but playing guards
35:26
Speaker 1: a little different, and Ogden was just it's a freak, yeah,
35:32
Speaker 1: six foot nine and he could get down in his
35:34
Speaker 1: day guard. He's one of the few guys that ever
35:36
Speaker 1: played against that. When I was getting ready to pass
35:39
Speaker 1: rush him, I had absolutely no clue what I was
35:42
Speaker 1: going to try to use because I didn't feel confident
35:44
Speaker 1: anything worse, right, because he could reach around you. He
35:47
Speaker 1: had the longest, got pretty good sized hands. Yeah, but
35:51
Speaker 1: his hands were so big, and you know, Basselli's a
35:56
Speaker 1: big guy. Yeah, but when you saw Ogden, he's next
36:00
Speaker 1: to Basselli, he was bigger, freakishly huge. And you remember,
36:05
Speaker 1: by the way, just to give people some old timers,
36:08
Speaker 1: when the Jaguars signed Leon Serious in nineteen ninety six,
36:10
Speaker 1: they moved Brian DeMarco, who's a big guy, six foot seven,
36:13
Speaker 1: three thirty. He couldn't bend, he couldn't play guard. He
36:16
Speaker 1: struggled at guard. Rich Tilsky took over midway through the season. Yeah,
36:21
Speaker 1: well okay, but Brian had no ability and Jonathan's bigger
36:27
Speaker 1: than him, and Jonathan could play guard. So I just
36:30
Speaker 1: it's just an interesting conversation to see because the next
36:33
Speaker 1: couple of weeks the Jaguars board is pretty much set.
36:36
Speaker 1: They're doing the fine tuning at this point, trying to
36:38
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, what they need and where it
36:40
Speaker 1: can go. Um. I think if they taken off into tackle,
36:43
Speaker 1: people are gonna go what right, Yeah, it's not sexy, No,
36:47
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't sell tickets. It doesn't. But you know
36:51
Speaker 1: you got you got, you got a pretty significant investment
36:54
Speaker 1: at quarterback, right, Yeah, you gotta keep him up, right?
36:56
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it ever a bad thing to get
36:59
Speaker 1: a guy that it's just gonna help protect your quarterback
37:03
Speaker 1: of the stature that you think he is. Hey, what
37:05
Speaker 1: would be sexy here? Is it Michael Mayer or the
37:08
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington kid, the big six foot seven you know,
37:10
Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis kind of guy at at Georgia. I just
37:15
Speaker 1: more weapons for this quarterback with you, we saw how,
37:19
Speaker 1: we saw how the Colts did it for years. They
37:21
Speaker 1: spent money and time and draft picks on offense and
37:24
Speaker 1: on defense. They had two guys occasionally three, but Robert
37:29
Speaker 1: Mathis and Dwight Freeney. Dwight Freeney, oh man, that was
37:34
Speaker 1: all it took. They were playing with the lead all
37:36
Speaker 1: the combination because they're a front running path and they
37:38
Speaker 1: had perfect It worked out perfect. Yeah, let's see what
37:41
Speaker 1: they do. Hey, when we come back. I've spent some
37:43
Speaker 1: time this week work on some alumni stuff, and I
37:46
Speaker 1: spent a good bit of time with a couple of
37:48
Speaker 1: guys and a conversation sparked, and I want to get
37:52
Speaker 1: your perspective on the conversation, and and and this is
37:55
Speaker 1: something folks, I probably want to chime in on, So
37:57
Speaker 1: get ready for it, folks. The question is coming up
38:00
Speaker 1: next here on Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.
38:07
Speaker 1: All right, word is out now, That word is out
38:10
Speaker 1: that Klais Campbell that you kind of subtly hinted at
38:13
Speaker 1: when I win CC was in the building today. I
38:15
Speaker 1: guess Demitris Harvey from the Times Junion has has tweeted,
38:18
Speaker 1: So no sense in hiding it. Yeah, that it would
38:21
Speaker 1: be fun, right, it'd be awesome. What could he do
38:25
Speaker 1: rush the passer from the defensive tackles? Fun? Oh, he
38:27
Speaker 1: would let you like number one need, Yes, number one need. Yeah.
38:32
Speaker 1: There there's you know, there's a perfect example of a
38:35
Speaker 1: guy that I think he's still got a place here. Yeah,
38:39
Speaker 1: is that point in his career where he wants to win? Hey,
38:42
Speaker 1: this team, he had his last professional season here in
38:45
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. No doubt he's still productive. Yea. He still
38:49
Speaker 1: has a lot of respect in this locker room. I
38:53
Speaker 1: think he's got great respect in the community. I think
38:56
Speaker 1: he's at the point in his career that money matters,
38:59
Speaker 1: but it's not everything, and this team is in a
39:01
Speaker 1: situation where money's not everything for And if you're Kalais,
39:06
Speaker 1: I mean, Atlanta is a great city to live in, right,
39:08
Speaker 1: but their quarterback is des been ridder if you had
39:11
Speaker 1: the chance to come back here, by the way, open
39:13
Speaker 1: a brand new practice facility, right, so, world class facility
39:16
Speaker 1: with a quarterback at the very tail end of your
39:18
Speaker 1: career in a place could be wrong. But my guess
39:21
Speaker 1: is a lot of people who are listening to this
39:23
Speaker 1: right now would put Calais in the pride of the
39:26
Speaker 1: Jaguars at some point in time. For that season that
39:29
Speaker 1: he was a part of beautiful. I mean, it was
39:32
Speaker 1: one of the most amazing seasons. And you know when
39:34
Speaker 1: we talk talk, me and a lot of guys that
39:38
Speaker 1: have played the game for this football team have had
39:41
Speaker 1: the conversation about the great Jaguars and we put him
39:44
Speaker 1: on that there. Yeah, I mean, he's had tremendous, tremendous
39:48
Speaker 1: production for this football team. Well, this helps me translate
39:51
Speaker 1: to the the alumni conversation because I've been working on
39:53
Speaker 1: the next edition of the Alumni newsletter. A lot of
39:56
Speaker 1: your former teammates, guys that I know that you are
39:58
Speaker 1: very fond of. I spent some time yesterday, But first
40:01
Speaker 1: of all, I spent some time today with big Rich Callier.
40:04
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't wait to write this story.
40:07
Speaker 1: The biggest smile, the happiest person, the best perspective. Rich
40:11
Speaker 1: call he was fifteen years ago, that he was shot
40:13
Speaker 1: fourteen times. It is absolutely crazy. He loves his teammates,
40:19
Speaker 1: His teammates love him. It's a great story. I have
40:21
Speaker 1: to find a way to write that for the website too.
40:23
Speaker 1: It's one of the one of the greatest personalities that's
40:25
Speaker 1: ever been here. Unbelievable. And we sat and told stories.
40:28
Speaker 1: In fact, I had to go. I have to go,
40:31
Speaker 1: and he was telling most of them, not me. But
40:33
Speaker 1: I spent some time with James story yesterday, and since
40:35
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are signed the Ernest Johnson, a running back,
40:39
Speaker 1: James and I were just talking about the long list
40:41
Speaker 1: of running backs, the running back culture that they have here.
40:45
Speaker 1: Right it starts with James first round pick. Let me
40:48
Speaker 1: let me just say this real quick. Yeah, it would
40:50
Speaker 1: have been a lot better. Are you going to tell
40:53
Speaker 1: the story about the sleeve on the arm? I will
40:55
Speaker 1: but it would have been a lot better if we
40:57
Speaker 1: were talking about the great quarterback culture that you have
41:00
Speaker 1: had here. Okay, I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah,
41:03
Speaker 1: we're about running backs. But there's been some great running
41:05
Speaker 1: backs here. And it all started with Nats with Stuart
41:08
Speaker 1: and Natron right um, And they were a one two combo.
41:12
Speaker 1: And I think Nate allowed Stu to kind of gain
41:15
Speaker 1: his footing a little bit, you know, because there was
41:18
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure I think early on with James.
41:21
Speaker 1: You know, he's the first round pick, He's got a
41:23
Speaker 1: produced in the first year, he did a good job. Yeah,
41:26
Speaker 1: but then getting Nate I think really helped because I
41:29
Speaker 1: believe it's this league you gotta have two backs. Having
41:31
Speaker 1: two backs took some pressure off of Stu. And Stu's
41:35
Speaker 1: a super guy. Thirty three touchdowns, which is amazing, which
41:39
Speaker 1: by the way, was his jersey number. He's a good dude,
41:42
Speaker 1: very true, good dude. By the way, he is one
41:44
Speaker 1: of those guys who looks like he could still play,
41:46
Speaker 1: no doubt. He's got a personal training business out on
41:48
Speaker 1: Mayport Road. He is by far the greatest old guy
41:55
Speaker 1: that played the game for the Jaguars as far as
41:57
Speaker 1: when you look at him. He's amazing and he tells
42:00
Speaker 1: me all the time. Because I'm an old school guy,
42:01
Speaker 1: That's why I got along with Coughlin. He was great.
42:04
Speaker 1: It's another story I'm really looking forward to write. So
42:07
Speaker 1: Stu and Nate and then here comes Fred. And I
42:09
Speaker 1: don't think any of us had to sing the praises
42:12
Speaker 1: or describe the virtues of Fred. You saw it right away.
42:16
Speaker 1: I remember talking to you in the locker room. I
42:17
Speaker 1: remember where your locker was, and he's saying, tell me
42:19
Speaker 1: about twenty eight and You're like, what do I need
42:21
Speaker 1: to tell you? Can't you see it for yourself? And
42:24
Speaker 1: the one thing I remember about Fred was the speed
42:27
Speaker 1: was just unbelievable. Yeah, but he got got dinged up
42:31
Speaker 1: a little bit this first year and was in the
42:33
Speaker 1: training room. I was kind of having a hard time
42:34
Speaker 1: with Justine and was having a pretty emotional moment. I
42:39
Speaker 1: was thinking that he may get cut. And I went
42:42
Speaker 1: to Fred and had a conversation with him and it's like, hey,
42:44
Speaker 1: you know what's going on? And he told me and
42:47
Speaker 1: he said, man, I don't know if I'm gonna get cut.
42:48
Speaker 1: And I said, whoa with Fred? Hit the breaks, buddy.
42:52
Speaker 1: First of all, you're a first round pick and you're
42:55
Speaker 1: not getting cut. Okay, But I mean, you know that's
42:57
Speaker 1: the kind of the fear that Kauflin kind of was instilling.
43:01
Speaker 1: You're sat Thomas instead shocking that he would. But but
43:04
Speaker 1: Noel was. You know, I told my self explanatory. I
43:10
Speaker 1: have a seventeen and an eighteen year old in the
43:11
Speaker 1: house right now, and I told them today, we're gonna
43:14
Speaker 1: have this conversation tonight, so they're probably listening. And I
43:17
Speaker 1: remember saying, if Fred was twenty three and a second
43:21
Speaker 1: year player today, he'd be the best running back in football. Yeah,
43:27
Speaker 1: went stop stops great. Fred Taylor is in an entirely
43:32
Speaker 1: different atmosphere than How can you say that because I
43:35
Speaker 1: watched him. The only thing that Fred I think that
43:38
Speaker 1: hampered his career, when I say hampered, would have helped
43:43
Speaker 1: him if he scored more touchdowns. But a lot of
43:46
Speaker 1: times when they got into that area, they took him
43:49
Speaker 1: out right. They gave touchdowns in ninety nine, which is
43:54
Speaker 1: why he had thirty three touchdowns, because he was the
43:58
Speaker 1: guy that was used in that situation. For some reason,
44:01
Speaker 1: Fred was taken out. The game breaking speed and the
44:05
Speaker 1: open field running ability that Fred had would just light
44:08
Speaker 1: this game on fire the way it is right now,
44:11
Speaker 1: if you're listening, I told you, I told you he
44:14
Speaker 1: would be the best. Okay, move on before anyone can
44:16
Speaker 1: count me on that one more mojo and then you
44:18
Speaker 1: had the the tandem. Yeah, so it a few two
44:22
Speaker 1: and seven. This team has always been at his best
44:24
Speaker 1: when it's had a tandem one hundred and fifty four
44:26
Speaker 1: point six yards per game, which allowed David Garrard to
44:29
Speaker 1: step into the starting job that year if you recall
44:32
Speaker 1: and just do what he could do, which that's a
44:35
Speaker 1: conversation and the story in and of himself a whole
44:38
Speaker 1: night of that. But David David played great that year. Yeah,
44:41
Speaker 1: and he could because he could lean on the running game, right, Yes,
44:44
Speaker 1: And then after m j. D Steps away, you have
44:47
Speaker 1: a lull at the running back position, and then all
44:50
Speaker 1: of a sudden they spend a fourth overall pick on
44:52
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette, and Fournette was the one guy. Let me
44:56
Speaker 1: go back a little bit, because if you go back
45:00
Speaker 1: to the early Jaguar years, the one guy that I
45:03
Speaker 1: thought was really gonna add to the backfield that never
45:06
Speaker 1: had an opportunity, that had a significant knee Andry. Do
45:09
Speaker 1: you remember the name Stacy Back Nope? Are you talking
45:13
Speaker 1: about the kid from from southern Nope. And he had
45:17
Speaker 1: blonde hair. Oh, you just totally Banks. Tavian Banks. I
45:23
Speaker 1: talked to him not long ago again in the alumni capacity.
45:26
Speaker 1: He is a very successful y MCA regional director in
45:31
Speaker 1: his hometown of Sioux City, Iowa. Awesome he is. He
45:34
Speaker 1: is running youth programs. He was interested in in a
45:37
Speaker 1: job here in Jacksonville with the Jaguars, but he was
45:41
Speaker 1: way it was below his ability level, right, he was
45:45
Speaker 1: way too overqualified for it. Tavian Banks is a tremendous
45:48
Speaker 1: success story away from from the great guy. Great guy
45:52
Speaker 1: and uh and I always thought that he was gonna
45:55
Speaker 1: be that X factor back for this football team. And
45:58
Speaker 1: then it was a touchdown against the Giants here in
46:00
Speaker 1: the preseason where he reversed field and leapt over a
46:03
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. And it was a preseason games this guy
46:07
Speaker 1: hit him out of bounds. Oh, you're talking about when
46:09
Speaker 1: he got hurt. That was Ray um No, that was
46:11
Speaker 1: that was in Atlanta at the end of the regular season. Ray.
46:14
Speaker 1: It was the corner Ray Ray McLeod no, not Bentley,
46:20
Speaker 1: but it was Um, it was out of bounds. It
46:22
Speaker 1: was out of bounds. But it was in December, it
46:23
Speaker 1: was a regular season game. It was like, what are
46:25
Speaker 1: you doing? Why was he in the game. It was
46:26
Speaker 1: like two yards meaningless point of game. Yeah, but it
46:30
Speaker 1: was about a yard and a half two yards out
46:32
Speaker 1: of bounds that this this hit occurred at place and
46:37
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, just ruined the guy's career.
46:41
Speaker 1: The only time I've ever flown home on I don't
46:42
Speaker 1: even think it was flagged. I don't recall if it was.
46:46
Speaker 1: I remember hearing Tavian Banks moan the whole way home
46:51
Speaker 1: from Atlanta. It was a short but you could hear it.
46:54
Speaker 1: And then and I told Tavan this when I talked
46:57
Speaker 1: to him, Um, never saw you again, Never saw you again.
47:01
Speaker 1: And we got to wrap up the great Guy, Great
47:03
Speaker 1: Guy one more. And that's ETN where they are right now.
47:07
Speaker 1: I mean, they just this franchise has a nice history
47:11
Speaker 1: of really talented running backs. And we'll take a break
47:14
Speaker 1: and come back and wrap this show up right after this.
47:19
Speaker 1: All right, back to a wrap up this wandering edition
47:22
Speaker 1: of Jaguars this week. I'm sorry, I'm happy how it
47:25
Speaker 1: feels like the old days going down memory road. We
47:28
Speaker 1: could do that with a lot of positions, you know
47:31
Speaker 1: where there's been some talent here, but that running back
47:33
Speaker 1: thing just stands out, and James Stewart sparked it also, Stu,
47:37
Speaker 1: if you're listening, thanks, I appreciate that next couple of
47:40
Speaker 1: weeks really important for this franchise because if they're going
47:43
Speaker 1: to be draft and developed, it isn't just And this
47:46
Speaker 1: is something Rich Collier told me today when we talked.
47:49
Speaker 1: He was an undrafted rookie when he came out of
47:51
Speaker 1: Al Dawsta and you were the first one to point
47:52
Speaker 1: him out. You point him out of the practice for
47:54
Speaker 1: You're like, look at that big guy there, he can play,
47:56
Speaker 1: And I went, how can you tell he's not even
47:58
Speaker 1: in past? Look at his feet? He could move his feet.
48:01
Speaker 1: They found him. And Rich told me today that James
48:04
Speaker 1: Harris and Jack Dorio told him two weeks before the draft,
48:07
Speaker 1: we're not drafting a tackle. If you're not drafted. We
48:10
Speaker 1: would like you to come back here and be one
48:13
Speaker 1: of our priority rookie free agent signings. And he said
48:16
Speaker 1: the reason that he did was because they were the
48:18
Speaker 1: only people that didn't blow smoke at him, who said
48:21
Speaker 1: that's where I want to go. What they said they
48:23
Speaker 1: were gonna do, what was going to happen, and they
48:25
Speaker 1: did it. So Trent Balky and his staff and they
48:28
Speaker 1: know this, this is not news. They have got to
48:31
Speaker 1: do an amazing job the next couple of years, not
48:34
Speaker 1: just with their draft picks, but with those guys like
48:36
Speaker 1: Richard Callier. Where you go and mind guys that come in.
48:39
Speaker 1: They might not be stars, but they might come in
48:42
Speaker 1: and be really important role players. Or he had a
48:45
Speaker 1: running back that was just here not long ago that
48:48
Speaker 1: ended up getting you a draft pick in a trade
48:50
Speaker 1: and was very productive. And Jay Rob Yeah, you have
48:54
Speaker 1: to find guys like that because the percentages are obviously
49:00
Speaker 1: with draft picks. But the reality is is that you've
49:02
Speaker 1: got to win. You've got to try to beat some
49:04
Speaker 1: of those percentages. I don't know what the success rate
49:06
Speaker 1: is on first round picks, but it keeps dropping in
49:10
Speaker 1: a significant way the farther down the draft you get,
49:12
Speaker 1: and it continues to drop drastically when you have underdraft. Well,
49:15
Speaker 1: and the irony is, we're gonna talk so much. You
49:17
Speaker 1: got to hit someone in the draft about the first
49:19
Speaker 1: round pick, right number twenty four, but the second third, fourth, fifth.
49:23
Speaker 1: Those are incredibly important draft picks. You've got to hit
49:27
Speaker 1: on those guys because they replenish your cap. You're supposed
49:30
Speaker 1: to you're supposed to draft starters in the first three
49:33
Speaker 1: rounds starter, starter, starter, and then when you get to
49:36
Speaker 1: the fourth, you're supposed to draft a contributor, and then
49:39
Speaker 1: you try to hope to get something after that. So
49:42
Speaker 1: you need to hit where you can. It's fun ons
49:45
Speaker 1: tack next Thursday off, I can sit it again. JP
49:48
Speaker 1: is is he he's probably he's lay coming back right now.
49:50
Speaker 1: He's listening right now. He's like, I'll be there next
49:52
Speaker 1: week's nexton. You can take it off for Jeff Logaman
49:54
Speaker 1: and Joe Fortunato, thanks so much, appreciate it. Jaguars Happy
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