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Jon Wright on the PGA Championship, Jordan Spieth going for the career slam + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: I'm high bas Sean O'Connell show. If you're a home
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  Speaker 1: ninety two one A f am Where you got me?
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  Speaker 2: Thursday, Welcome back to the Shawn O'Connell Show. Time to
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  Speaker 2: check in on the PGA Championship.
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  Speaker 3: Our conversation all things golf, brought to you by our
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  Speaker 3: sent you when you stop in any of the U
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  Speaker 3: into Golf locations. Elephant down the Wasatch Front. We welcome
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  Speaker 3: in John Wright to talk about the PGA Championship. Former
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  Speaker 3: golf pro, former University of Utah golf captain, John Let
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. How are you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm well, how are you?
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Yeah, appreciate you giving us some
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  Speaker 3: time today to talk about I'll admit golf is a
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  Speaker 3: bit of a bit of a week spot, bit of
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  Speaker 3: a blind spot for me and not caught the golf
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  Speaker 3: bug like so many people have. But I think I
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  Speaker 3: found my favorite player on the PGA Tour because he's
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  Speaker 3: so relatable. Garrick Ego penalized two strokes for showing up
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  Speaker 3: a minute late to his tea time. I think he
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  Speaker 3: finished a sixty nine, I think is what I saw,
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  Speaker 3: but penalized two strokes for the most relatable thing. Ever,
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  Speaker 3: when you saw this, what was your reaction?
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  Speaker 4: Well? I had to laugh, because as a professional, you
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  Speaker 4: get used to knowing when your tea time is and
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  Speaker 4: making sure you're there. I mean, I never I was
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  Speaker 4: five minutes early, just for that very reason. And it's
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  Speaker 4: there's no give on the rules of golf. I saw
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  Speaker 4: his interview. He said he was maybe ten seconds late.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't matter. If you're not there when it's your time,
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  Speaker 4: that's two shots, and if you're given five minutes and
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  Speaker 4: you're not there within five minutes after your time, then
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  Speaker 4: you're disqualified. So it's a credit to him, though he
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  Speaker 4: put it behind him and went out and shot went
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  Speaker 4: under par. With the two shot penalty, you would have
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  Speaker 4: been three ender. But you know, for a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people that would have been disastrous. Mentally, you get in
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  Speaker 4: a fight, you're arguing with the rules official about where
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  Speaker 4: you should have been and all that, and then you
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  Speaker 4: kind of let it bother you and you play poorly.
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  Speaker 4: But he didn't let it bother him, and good for him,
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  Speaker 4: and he can put it behind him and see what
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  Speaker 4: he can do the rest of the week.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that is one of the things that impresses me
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  Speaker 3: most about just good golfers, professional golfers, obviously the elite
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  Speaker 3: in that group. The amount of mental fortitude necessary to
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  Speaker 3: put bad shots behind you, put a bad moment like
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  Speaker 3: this behind you. And it's not like in other sports
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  Speaker 3: you know better than I do, where you know, you
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  Speaker 3: got like fifteen minutes of competition, or you got an
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  Speaker 3: hour of competition and it's like blood, sweat and tears
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  Speaker 3: for all that time, So a bunch of things drawing
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  Speaker 3: your focus away. Else is this ultimate mental game where
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  Speaker 3: like you got to force yourself to not think about
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  Speaker 3: that for three hours, you know, like you got to
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  Speaker 3: put that behind you, but not just for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: He's got to keep that behind him. And that's truly impressive.
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  Speaker 4: John, It's very impressive, and credit goes to him. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I still can't figure out why he wasn't on that
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  Speaker 4: tea box. He claimed he was just on the putting
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  Speaker 4: green next to the tee. But anyway, it's a real
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  Speaker 4: credit to him because I've seen it happen many times.
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  Speaker 4: You get into a rules controversy with a fellow player
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  Speaker 4: or a rules official, and you have an argument and
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  Speaker 4: you get a ruling against you, and you know it
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  Speaker 4: bleeds into your next four or five shots, and next
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  Speaker 4: thing you know, it's ruined your round. So all credit
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  Speaker 4: goes to him. And he also played early, which is
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  Speaker 4: a It looked to me. I've been watching I haven't
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  Speaker 4: gotten much work done watching online. But the weather. The
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  Speaker 4: weather's been the story so far. It was very cold
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  Speaker 4: this morning and the condition were tough. It looks to
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  Speaker 4: me like the guys that are playing this afternoon, like Scotti,
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  Speaker 4: Scheffler and some of the favorites that have just teed off,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to get better weather conditions than they did
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  Speaker 4: this morning.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on with Rory McElroy's foot.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what's going on. I mean, he
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  Speaker 4: had a blister. I mean, you have to walk in golf,
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  Speaker 4: and you know he has Nike swishes all over him.
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  Speaker 4: You think he'd have shoes that are fitting and didn't
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  Speaker 4: give him blisters. But yeah, I'm sure he can call
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  Speaker 4: someone and get a different pair. You know, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think that has anything to do with the way he played.
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  Speaker 4: I was watching just now him finishes round, just sloppy play,
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  Speaker 4: bad irons and poor chipping, and he literally missed every
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  Speaker 4: puddy took. So he bogied five of his last six
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  Speaker 4: holes to shoot four over par. He was gutting out
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  Speaker 4: a round where he didn't really have it and then
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden he just made a couple of
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  Speaker 4: bad swings and all of a sudden he's four over par.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what this ironomic golf course is. Sure,
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  Speaker 4: it looks a lot like a US Open. The front
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  Speaker 4: nine is playing forty seven over par, but the back
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  Speaker 4: nine is one hundred and thirty nine over par. So
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  Speaker 4: these guys are that are starting on the back nine
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  Speaker 4: are are going right into the teeth of the tough
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  Speaker 4: part of the course. And the guys that are finishing
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  Speaker 4: on the on the back or are just trying to
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  Speaker 4: hold it together. So this is a This is not
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  Speaker 4: a regular golf course that we play. It last was
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  Speaker 4: played a tour event in twenty eighteen, and not a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the players are familiar with it. And it
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  Speaker 4: looks a lot like a US Open course, a big, huge, sloping,
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  Speaker 4: very difficult greens, and the guys are.
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  Speaker 3: Struggling when you're when you're used to a certain type
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  Speaker 3: of course and then one of these is thrown your way,
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  Speaker 3: Like does it? Does it lend itself to a certain
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  Speaker 3: style of game. Guys that have that in their bag
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  Speaker 3: are going to be a lot more successful or is it?
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  Speaker 3: Is it a battle for everybody?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's a battle for everybody because nobody's really familiar
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  Speaker 4: with it. Most people probably got their first look at
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  Speaker 4: it earlier this week, other than the guys that were
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  Speaker 4: played at, you know, six years or seven years ago
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  Speaker 4: on tour, So it's tough that way. But it's a
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  Speaker 4: Donald Ross golf course. They play a lot of Donald
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  Speaker 4: Ross golf courses, Oakland Hills being the most famous one
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  Speaker 4: right outside of Detroit, so they're used to the style.
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  Speaker 4: They just aren't used to this particular course. So you
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  Speaker 4: just don't know exactly how a putt's gonna break. And
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  Speaker 4: it's not a regular rotation golf course, so it's taking
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  Speaker 4: everybody a little bit of time to figure it out.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it is very much a second shot golf course.
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  Speaker 4: You do need to be in the fairway, but the
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  Speaker 4: rough is manageable. It's these greens are so big and
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  Speaker 4: have so much undulation. If you're on the wrong part
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  Speaker 4: of the green, you're gonna have a hard time to putting.
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  Speaker 4: And if you miss these greens on the wrong side,
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  Speaker 4: you'll have a hard time giving yourself better than twenty
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  Speaker 4: feet for par.
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  Speaker 3: Scottie Scheffler is the odds on favorite, came into the
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  Speaker 3: tournament as the odds on favorite, followed by Rory McElroy,
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  Speaker 3: John Rahm, cam Young, Bryce and de Shambo. If that's
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  Speaker 3: the top five, you already told me Rory's playing pretty sloppy.
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  Speaker 3: What at the other four? Could you see those guys
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  Speaker 3: playing the right way in this tournament?
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  Speaker 4: I can, but I can't. Well. Bryson de Chambeau just
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  Speaker 4: had a disastrous round. He's six over par. He didn't
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  Speaker 4: make a birdie until the final hole of the day,
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  Speaker 4: so he's basically played himself out of it, barring some
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  Speaker 4: sort of a miraculous round tomorrow. Now, this course can
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  Speaker 4: be had. The best score shot last time they played
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  Speaker 4: here in twenty eighteen was sixty three. That's seven under par,
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  Speaker 4: so it can be done. But when you start with
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  Speaker 4: a plus six on a major, it's his worst round
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  Speaker 4: ever to open a major and it's Bryson. De Shambeau
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  Speaker 4: is effectively out, and you got to think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of this has to do. We talked about the mental game.
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  Speaker 4: Bryson's career is kind of in limbo right now. He's
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  Speaker 4: a live golf player. That tour is going to fold
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  Speaker 4: up shop at the end of the year, and he's
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  Speaker 4: got nowhere to play next year. So he wants to
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  Speaker 4: come back to the PGA Tour, but the PGA Tour
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  Speaker 4: doesn't really you know, they want him back, but they're
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  Speaker 4: not going to just let him waltz back after what
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  Speaker 4: he did when he left. He sued the PGA Tour,
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  Speaker 4: took a big pile of money, and basically tried to
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  Speaker 4: ruin the PGA Tour. So I think a lot of
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  Speaker 4: his struggles are mental. John Rahm is another one who's
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  Speaker 4: playing well, but he is also in limbo. He did
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  Speaker 4: negotiate his way back to the European Tour when Live folds,
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  Speaker 4: But I think these guys are dealing with so much
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  Speaker 4: off the golf course is kind of hard for them
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  Speaker 4: to play. So yeah, I just don't you know. The
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  Speaker 4: one person we really need to watch is Jordan Speed.
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  Speaker 4: So we saw last year at the Masters where Rory
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  Speaker 4: McElroy completed the Career Grand Slam by winning the Masters.
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  Speaker 4: Justin Jordan has had ten years. This is his tenth
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  Speaker 4: try to complete the career Grand Slam. He got off
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  Speaker 4: to a good start today. He's one under part. I'd
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  Speaker 4: love to see that come about. But Scotti Scheffler is
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  Speaker 4: obviously the favorite, and he got off to a good start.
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  Speaker 4: He's one under part. And then Cam Young, who's probably
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  Speaker 4: the hottest player on tour. Two of his last five
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  Speaker 4: starts he got off to a good start as well.
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  Speaker 3: I want to back up a little bit and ask
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  Speaker 3: you about Jordan Speed because obviously career Grand Slam is
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  Speaker 3: a big deal. Well he hasn't. I mean, he hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been his best self for quite a while now. And
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  Speaker 3: again I'm a golf novice. So when you see a
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  Speaker 3: guy slide consistently or just be off his game for
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  Speaker 3: a long time, where does he get it back? How
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  Speaker 3: can you get it back?
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes you don't, And that's kind of the ebbs and
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  Speaker 4: flows of professional golf, well of any kind of golf.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you go through stretches where you're playing well
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  Speaker 4: and you seem unbeatable, you win a Master's, you win
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  Speaker 4: a couple of US opens, and he's just he's the man.
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  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, you get a little
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  Speaker 4: bit older, you have a little bit we have an
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  Speaker 4: injury or two, and all of a sudden, your confidence
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  Speaker 4: goes and then you start to struggle and you're searching
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  Speaker 4: for something, and then you fire your teacher and you
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  Speaker 4: go to somebody else, and then you can't you can't
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  Speaker 4: find your way back. Now it looks to me like
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  Speaker 4: he's fighting his way back, and he did reconnect with
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  Speaker 4: his old instructors, so we'll see. I mean a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these guys too, they just they get married and
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  Speaker 4: have some children and they kind of just lose interest
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  Speaker 4: or they don't practice as much. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: things that can happen to a career. But Jordan's competitor.
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  Speaker 4: He wants to win this career Grand Slam. Only five
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  Speaker 4: guys I've ever done it, and it's rare company when
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  Speaker 4: you do it. And he's he's he's the type of
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  Speaker 4: player that can win on this golf course because he's
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  Speaker 4: a fantastic platter.
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  Speaker 3: John right, our guests here talking PGA Championship on the
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  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell show, the Live Guys, the guys that are
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  Speaker 3: you know, on the outs right now with the PGA,
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  Speaker 3: and like you already referenced, and we've talked about this
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  Speaker 3: on the show that the five billion dollar investment from
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  Speaker 3: the Saudis is drying up and it's drying up very soon.
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  Speaker 3: How how is the PGA going to handle this? Because
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  Speaker 3: there was like a kind of ugly divorce in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of these cases when guys decided to leave the tour,
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  Speaker 3: but some of them are some of the best players
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  Speaker 3: in the world. Is it serve your your sentence and
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  Speaker 3: then we'll let you back in?
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 3: No? You can't do an old, stuffy organization like ours
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  Speaker 3: wrong and expect us to welcome you back in. What's
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  Speaker 3: the right way for the PGA Tour to reintegrate some
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  Speaker 3: of these guys if they're going to.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it'll be on a case by case basis,
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  Speaker 4: and we kind of have a little bit of a
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  Speaker 4: hint as to how they're going to handle it. Brooks
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  Speaker 4: Kopka is already back. He forfeited He had a huge
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  Speaker 4: donation to charity and then he's forfeiting funds that he
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  Speaker 4: could have earned. This year, including tour equity, and he's
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  Speaker 4: back now. Patrick Reid is also he's serving a one
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  Speaker 4: year suspension and he'll be back at the end of
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  Speaker 4: the year. But the important thing with those two is
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  Speaker 4: there was no animosity when they left. They resigned their
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  Speaker 4: membership and left. Now Bryson d. Chambeau is a different story.
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  Speaker 4: He actively spoke negatively of the tour. He was involved
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  Speaker 4: in a lawsuit against the PGA tour and antitrust lawsuit
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  Speaker 4: and really tried his best to destroy the PGA Tour.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to have a tougher time. And I know
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  Speaker 4: people are going to say they're probably listening saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: he has this huge YouTube following, and he has this
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  Speaker 4: online presence, and he's he's valuable to the tour. He
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  Speaker 4: is to a certain extent. But if he was going
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  Speaker 4: to drive TV viewership, then why weren't people watching him
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  Speaker 4: play on live and he's and they didn't because they
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  Speaker 4: didn't care. So Bryson's did a bit of a pickle.
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  Speaker 4: Now he's going to make it back, but it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be a hefty penalty because you can't you can't
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  Speaker 4: have all these other players that turned down the huge
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  Speaker 4: money of Live and stayed loyal to the PGA Tour.
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  Speaker 4: They can't they can't do them wrong by letting Bryson
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  Speaker 4: just waltz back without some pretty severe penalties, and they'll
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  Speaker 4: be severe. But he's got nowhere else to play, so
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  Speaker 4: he's he really has no negotiating position in neither is
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  Speaker 4: John Rohm. So we'll see what they do on an
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  Speaker 4: individual basis, but it's going to be hefty and they're
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  Speaker 4: going to have to sit out and the rest of them,
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  Speaker 4: besides the ones we're talking about and only go off
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  Speaker 4: diehard like me. Know who they are, like Taylor GOOCHI Waucke,
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  Speaker 4: Nevehn and some others. They're great players and they can
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  Speaker 4: add to the comp petition of the tour, but nobody
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  Speaker 4: cares if they're on the tour and they're going to
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  Speaker 4: have a hard time coming back.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we all have the benefit of hindsight now
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  Speaker 3: with the reports coming out, But is this how you
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  Speaker 3: saw the Live Golf experiment working out ultimately?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the thing that confused me from day one was
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  Speaker 4: how do you how can you sustain a business model
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  Speaker 4: that just loses constant like a billion dollars per year?
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  Speaker 4: And everyone said, oh, it's Saudi Arabia. They don't care.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm sorry, but I don't care how much
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  Speaker 4: money you have. Everybody cares about a billion dollars every
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  Speaker 4: year of loss, and so that was unsustainable. The kind
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  Speaker 4: of money they were paying these guys in bonuses to
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  Speaker 4: leave the PGA Tour. I mean, John Rahm was upwards
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  Speaker 4: of three hundred million dollars, Bryson d. Chambeau was in
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  Speaker 4: the two hundred million dollar range. Brooks Kepka same, Phil
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  Speaker 4: Mickelson one hundred million. I mean, so you can't pay
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  Speaker 4: these guys that kind of money with zero of sponsorships
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  Speaker 4: and zero TV dollars coming in. You can if you
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  Speaker 4: don't care about losing five billion dollars. Well it turns
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  Speaker 4: out they do care about losing billion dollars. They're done
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  Speaker 4: losing money and they're done funding it. So it was
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  Speaker 4: never sustainable. I don't understand why it was even attempted,
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  Speaker 4: but now it's a failed experiment. It did change the
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  Speaker 4: landscape of professional golf, so now we have much bigger
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  Speaker 4: persons on the PGA Tour and the professional golf is
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  Speaker 4: going to benefit from it. But the guys who went
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  Speaker 4: to it, they made a pile of money, but they're
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  Speaker 4: probably regretting their choices.
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  Speaker 3: All right, John, before I let you go, based on
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  Speaker 3: what you've seen so far today and what this course
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  Speaker 3: is doing to people, who's going to win this PGA Championship.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you have to pick Scotty Scheffler, But I mean
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  Speaker 4: outside of him, Cam Young is probably the hottest player.
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  Speaker 4: So those two, those two look awfully good to start.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean Scotty Scheffler is number one player in
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  Speaker 4: the world for a reason. He is the defending champion.
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  Speaker 4: He's won this championship, you know, just last year, so
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  Speaker 4: he's not afraid to win any it's for it's all
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  Speaker 4: about his first his first round. The reason he hasn't
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  Speaker 4: won more events this year on tours, he's gotten off
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  Speaker 4: to awful starts in the first round, including the Masters,
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  Speaker 4: and then he plays lights out the rest three days
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  Speaker 4: and either makes up the difference and wins the tournament
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  Speaker 4: or finish the second or third. So if he gets
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  Speaker 4: off to a good start, I just don't see how
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  Speaker 4: you can pick against him. And the sad part too, Sean,
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  Speaker 4: is that we usually we have some utahns in this field,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because this is the PGA Championship. And there's
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  Speaker 4: a difference between the PGA and the PGA Tour. The
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  Speaker 4: PGA is made up of professional golfers that work at
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  Speaker 4: your local golf course up at Bonneville or Rose Park
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  Speaker 4: or wherever these and so they have their own national championship,
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  Speaker 4: the Club Pro Championship, and the top twenty five from
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  Speaker 4: that get to play in this. So we oftentimes have
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  Speaker 4: some local professional golfers from Utah playing in it, but
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  Speaker 4: none of our guys qualified this year, so it's not
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  Speaker 4: as much fun to watch our locals travel around that
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  Speaker 4: golf course.
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  Speaker 3: I lied, I do have one more thing to ask
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  Speaker 3: you about there now spent that we got that the
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  Speaker 3: Utah Golf Association is partnering with Bank of Utah and
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  Speaker 3: giving spontonsorship exemption amateur champion that they'll get to compete
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  Speaker 3: in the PGA Tours Bank of Utah Championship at Black
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  Speaker 3: Desert Resorts in Saint George. That the state ams down
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  Speaker 3: down in July. And you know, like when you're an
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  Speaker 3: amateur champion and you get the ability to golf in
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  Speaker 3: a tour event, how big a moment is that for
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  Speaker 3: whoever ends up winning this amateur Championship.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's huge, and it kind of makes me sad
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  Speaker 4: that I'm fifty five years old, because you know, I
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: won that championship twice, and I would have loved to
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: play that tour event twice. But now I don't think
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I'm good enough to win the state am at fifty five.
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  Speaker 4: I still try, but no, I think it's super cool
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  Speaker 4: that the Bank of Utah is doing that in Black
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  Speaker 4: Desert Championship. They really are growing the game, especially in
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: southern Utah. The game is exploding down there that down
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  Speaker 4: there over the winter you can't even get a tea
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  Speaker 4: time at some of those golf courses, not just Black Desert,
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  Speaker 4: every golf course. So I think I think that championship
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  Speaker 4: is a real bonus for our state and for golf
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  Speaker 4: in Utah. And whichever amateur wins this state Amateur that's
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: going to be a huge What a fun experience for
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  Speaker 4: him to go and get to play with the pros
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  Speaker 4: on the PGA Tour. That's so cool and I'm glad
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: to see it happen.
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  Speaker 3: John, I appreciate you giving us some time to day
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: in lending your expertise to the show, because heaven knows,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I don't have anyone who comes to golf, so thank.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: You, you're welcome. Well, I don't know anything about fighting,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: so we're good.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: To each their own right. We all have our strengths
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: and weaknesses. That's John Wright. You'll hear them updating things
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: on the PGA Championship and golf on the station here
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: at ESPN seven and ninety two. One if the leaderboard
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: from the PGA Championship