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Credlin | 7 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin live on Skynings Australia. Hello and welcome to
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Speaker 1: the program. I'm James Morrow, filling in for Peter Kreedlin,
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Speaker 1: coming up on the show tonight, No laughing matter. While
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Speaker 1: Australia calls for a royal commission, the Sydney Morning Herald
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Speaker 1: publishes a cartoon about it, trafficking in the oldest of stereotypes.
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Speaker 1: Plus which is worse inflation or interest rates? Leading economist
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Speaker 1: Warren Hogan joins me to break down the latest inflation numbers,
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Speaker 1: and he's gone The Flairboy. Governor of Minnesota Tim Waltz
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Speaker 1: becomes the latest victim of the Somali daycare scandal. But first, well,
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Speaker 1: it seems all but a foregone conclusion now that Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albertezi will call some form of royal commission
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Speaker 1: into the Bondai terror attack. And I can reveal that
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Speaker 1: he is likely to announce this royal commission as soon
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Speaker 1: as tomorrow. And it has also been reported that this
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Speaker 1: commission may wind up being a joint venture between the
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Speaker 1: federal government and the State of New South Wales. Great
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Speaker 1: news on the face of it, but I have to
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Speaker 1: tell you something. I am deeply cynical, and I am
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Speaker 1: worried that we are about to see a political stitch
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Speaker 1: up of epic proportions which will see Labor finally call
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Speaker 1: o oral commission, but with terms of reference so narrow
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Speaker 1: that the inquiry is hamstrung into delivering a report that
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Speaker 1: exonerates Albanesi, his cabinet and the ALP for their failings
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Speaker 1: not only leading up to the Bondai Beach massacre, but
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Speaker 1: since October seventh and even beforehand. Because if we are
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Speaker 1: not careful, Albaniz, you will call a narrowly focused inquiry
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Speaker 1: that is designed to replicate the work of the Richardson
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Speaker 1: review and focus on security agencies rather than the broader
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Speaker 1: problems of anti Semitism and how reports of its dangers
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Speaker 1: were reportedly ignored by Albanesi's own office. I think nothing
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Speaker 1: short of a full examination into this phenomenon is required,
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Speaker 1: not only to find out the truth about the alleged
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Speaker 1: terrorists and who they might have worked with or had
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Speaker 1: support from, or what their links might have been to
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Speaker 1: Islamic state, but also into issues of culture, migration, and
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Speaker 1: yes Islam which is practiced peacefully by the majority of Muslims,
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Speaker 1: but which also shows a pattern of being used to
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Speaker 1: justify terrible atrocities. There must also be a look at
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Speaker 1: the way anti Semitism has taken root in schools, academia,
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Speaker 1: and the arts, places where labor has a strong base,
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Speaker 1: And whomever runs this role commission needs to be someone
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Speaker 1: clear eyed on all these matters, not someone who sings
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Speaker 1: from the same hymn sheet as Albinizi about harmony and
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Speaker 1: unity being more important than facing up to hard questions.
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Speaker 1: Yet I'm afraid that the sides are not looking good.
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Speaker 1: This would not be the first time we have seen this.
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Speaker 1: Just look at the way in which Albinizi is talking
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Speaker 1: about new hate speech laws that may wind up even
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Speaker 1: capturing LGBTQ communities and people with disabilities and all other
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Speaker 1: sorts of categories of people rather than focusing on the
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Speaker 1: problem of anti Semitism. Again, it's all a move to distract,
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Speaker 1: an attempt to reframe what happened on December fourteenth, away
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Speaker 1: from a focus on questions about Islamic radicalism and instead
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Speaker 1: to suggest that, well, what happened was the result of
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Speaker 1: some generalized hate in the community that pulled the trigger
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Speaker 1: at which needs to be stamped out. But you know what.
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Speaker 1: It's also nonsense because for as long as I've lived
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Speaker 1: in Australia, long before Labor came to power in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty two, it's only been Jewish schools and Jewish houses
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Speaker 1: of worship that have been the only faith based institutions
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Speaker 1: requiring their own cost and security, Not Catholic churches, not
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Speaker 1: so mosques, not Hindu temples. This is not a generalized hate.
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Speaker 1: That's the problem we're talking about. It's anti Semitism and
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Speaker 1: that's what a Royal Commission needs to look into. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: it's all happening on the international front. As we all
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Speaker 1: wait to find out what comes next in Venezuela and
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Speaker 1: what happens to the Ayatola's repressive Islamic regime in Iran,
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Speaker 1: the icy island of Greenland is suddenly taking center stage.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has been keen on taking possession of Greenland
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Speaker 1: for the US since twenty nineteen, something which has left
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Speaker 1: many people scratching their heads as to why why would
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Speaker 1: he want it. Well, here's what Donald Trump had to
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Speaker 1: say on Air Force one just yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Right now, Greenland is covered with Russian and Chinese ships.
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Speaker 1: All over the place.
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Speaker 2: We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security, and
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Speaker 2: Denmark is not going to be able to do it,
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Speaker 2: I can tell you.
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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Immigration Maestro Stephen Miller was even more forthright
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Speaker 1: on the topic.
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Speaker 3: Greenland has a population of thirty thousand people, Jake. The
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Speaker 3: real question is by what right does Denmark a certain
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Speaker 3: control over Greenland? What is the basis of their territorial claim?
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Speaker 3: What is their basis of having Greenland as a colony
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Speaker 3: of Denmark.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the White House is not ruling out using force
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Speaker 1: to take the territory, which is a possession of Denmark,
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Speaker 1: an action which could wind up splitting or even ending NATO.
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Speaker 1: So the big question is why, what is this all about?
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Speaker 1: Why is Greenland so important? Well, as much as he
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Speaker 1: is dismissed as obsessive over this, the reasons for Trump's
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Speaker 1: desire to take Greenland make strategic sense. As soon as
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Speaker 1: you look at a globe, look down at it from above,
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Speaker 1: and the reasons for Greenland's significance become all too clear.
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Speaker 1: You see, Greenland sits between Russia and the United States,
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Speaker 1: and more specifically, along the most direct trajectories that would
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Speaker 1: have to be taken by nuclear ICBMs launched from missile
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Speaker 1: silos and mobile sites in Siberia and Western Russia. The
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Speaker 1: US already maintains early warning radars in Greenland, but Trump
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Speaker 1: clearly wants to do more, including possibly install anti missile
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Speaker 1: defenses as part of his proposed Golden Dome project to
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Speaker 1: protect the Lower forty eight States from Russian nuclear attack.
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Speaker 1: And that's not the only reason why Greenland is so
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Speaker 1: strategically important to Trump, who in repeated interviews has spoken
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Speaker 1: of his terror of nuclear destruction as well. There's more
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Speaker 1: to this. Warming seas mean that passages through the Canadian Arctic,
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Speaker 1: which leak the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic, are now
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Speaker 1: increasingly open to sea travel. Chinese shipping lines are already
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Speaker 1: launching seasonal Arctic express container runs across these routes to
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Speaker 1: Northern Europe from the Pacific, which means Chinese pla submarines
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Speaker 1: cannot be far behind in using the route to enter
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Speaker 1: the Atlantic, not just the Pacific. Now, none of this
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Speaker 1: makes necessarily taken Greenland by force a good idea. Let's
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Speaker 1: be clear about that. There is a big difference between
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Speaker 1: arresting an illegitimate dictator like Venezuela's Nicholas Buduro and stripping
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Speaker 1: a territorial possession of a NATO ally like Denmark. If
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Speaker 1: he did so, the Russians would certainly see it as
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Speaker 1: giving moral cover to their invasion of Ukraine, while China
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Speaker 1: would and not without reason, be able to undercome America's
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Speaker 1: authority to defend Taiwan in a world of all against all.
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it won't happen. Given that the
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Speaker 1: White House says they are exploring a variety of options,
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Speaker 1: most likely Trump has something else in mind, along the
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Speaker 1: lines of the US's nineteen sixty seven purchase of Alaska
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Speaker 1: from Russia, ironically enough, but with Secretary of State Mark
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Speaker 1: Arubio apparently in form in Congress that this is the
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Speaker 1: current plan. Alternatively, the US may push for an independence referendum,
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Speaker 1: throwing the call to Greenland's fifty six thousand or so residents,
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Speaker 1: and all the bluster from Denmark we hear right now
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Speaker 1: would in that case just be an attempt to discourage
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Speaker 1: them from voting to go independent, at which point they
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Speaker 1: would enter into some sort of economic and security compact
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Speaker 1: with the US. So if you want to understand why
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Speaker 1: Greenland is so important, well there you go. Well it
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Speaker 1: is all happening across the world. Freedom is on the
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Speaker 1: march from Venezuela to Tehran, even as a new socialist
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Speaker 1: mayor takes over in New York City. Here to take
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Speaker 1: a spin around the globe and take us through some
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Speaker 1: of these amazing events is Josh Hammer, author, syndicated columnist
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Speaker 1: and host of The Josh Hammer Show. Josh, thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining me this evening. Here. Let's get right into it here.
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Speaker 1: There's so many big stories going on right now. Let's
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Speaker 1: start with Iran, where protests against the tyrannical regime of
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Speaker 1: the Ayatols have been going on for over a week
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Speaker 1: now in cities across the nation, and you see some
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Speaker 1: of them taking place on your screen right now. We've
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Speaker 1: seen this movie before, but what makes it different different
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Speaker 1: this time is that Crown Prince RaSE of Pa Lavi
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Speaker 1: has made an announcement about the protests.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be doing that if he didn't
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Speaker 1: think there was something big happening here. Will these turn
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Speaker 1: protests turn out differently this time? Could this be the
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Speaker 1: end of the Mallahs And if so, what does that
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Speaker 1: mean for the Middle East? If the key source of
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Speaker 1: funding for terror groups like Hezbollah finally is cut off,
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Speaker 1: look for.
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Speaker 5: Forty six years in counting forty seven years, probably close
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Speaker 5: to that. I mean, Iran has been the number one
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Speaker 5: source of jihad and mayhem across the Middle East. They
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Speaker 5: are not the only source. That there are other sources,
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Speaker 5: but they really are the big dog, and they're sprawling
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Speaker 5: proxies and militias. They have sowed the seeds of discord
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Speaker 5: through their nuclear program, through their ballistic missile program, through
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Speaker 5: their funding for Hesbola, as you mentioned, for any number
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Speaker 5: of other Jihadis outfits all throughout the region. There they
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Speaker 5: sow the seeds discord even in our own hemisphere. I mean,
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Speaker 5: has Bola, which is an Iranian proxy, is deeply acting
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Speaker 5: in the West Hemisphere. Iran is the number one state
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Speaker 5: sponsor of terrorism, as it is often said, and while
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Speaker 5: Western countries have a checker track record when it comes
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Speaker 5: to regime change, it nonetheless is a self evident truism.
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Speaker 5: I would say that there are some regimes that are
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Speaker 5: so manifestly evil that you should simply want for it
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Speaker 5: to fall. That really ought not to be a particularly
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Speaker 5: controversial statement in today's day and age, and Iran is
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Speaker 5: very much one such instance. I do not know this
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Speaker 5: will be the moment, certainly, those images that we saw
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Speaker 5: there in the streets, and these protests are happening all
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Speaker 5: throughout the country, by the way, they're happening in all
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Speaker 5: of Iran's provinces. Some of the protests that have apparently
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Speaker 5: taken over IRGC as long Revolutionary Guard court, military base,
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Speaker 5: as they've taken over cities, squares, marketplaces, if you believe
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Speaker 5: the reporting actually from the Times of London, the well
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Speaker 5: known British paper, Apparently the Ayatol himself ka mae Ni,
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Speaker 5: the so called supreme leader, apparently he has plans in
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Speaker 5: place to flee to Moscow with a twenty person inner
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Speaker 5: circle entourage if if it gets that point, and that
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Speaker 5: really would actually signal the end of the regime. As
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Speaker 5: we know, it's very difficult for me to make a
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Speaker 5: prediction one way or the other. My hardest certainly with
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Speaker 5: the Iranian people, they have been oppressed, subjugated for far
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Speaker 5: too long. And I'm not sure exactly what the Crown
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Speaker 5: Prince is getting at there in that particular video, but
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Speaker 5: it seems like that he has something in his mind
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Speaker 5: and God willing, it'll be good news with people of Iran.
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Speaker 1: Well, we can hope so. And I guess with a
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Speaker 1: president like Donald Trump and power rather than Barack Obama,
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Speaker 1: who was very keen on shutting down those protests, things
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Speaker 1: might be different this time. But Josh, let's move on
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Speaker 1: to the USA where Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz. You remember
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Speaker 1: this guy. He was Kamala Harris's flamboyant running mate. He's
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Speaker 1: dropped out of the race for governor amid a growing
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Speaker 1: scandal over alleged fraud committed by Somali daycare owners in
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Speaker 1: his state. Tell us a bit about this daycare fraud
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Speaker 1: and what's the latest here. This seems like a pretty
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Speaker 1: big event for the former running mate of the Democratic
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Speaker 1: nominee to be taken out by this scandal.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of layers to this story. One of
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Speaker 5: the most astounding things to me is that for those
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Speaker 5: of us who do this for a living, who are
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Speaker 5: in the news business for a living These didn't come
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Speaker 5: out of nowhere. In fact, many of us have known
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Speaker 5: about this for many, many years now. This goes back
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Speaker 5: to the very beginning actually of the Joe Biden administration,
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Speaker 5: because the underlying fraud in question actually comes out of
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Speaker 5: these emergency relief packages that the federal government doled out
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Speaker 5: during the COVID nineteen pandemic. So really, what it took
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Speaker 5: was for some certain enterprising journalists, podcasters, writers, activists to
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Speaker 5: blow this story into the realm of national and now
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Speaker 5: international intention. I'm thinking of folks like my friend Chris
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Speaker 5: Rufo of the Manhattanstitute. Chris was the first one to
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Speaker 5: write an article that really started getting attention there. I'm
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Speaker 5: thinking of folks like Nick Shirley, the young twenty three
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Speaker 5: year old YouTuber and podcaster who showed up Minneapolis with
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Speaker 5: essentially a camera guy and just went door to door
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Speaker 5: exposing that a lot of these daycare centers were actually fraudulent.
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Speaker 5: As it turns out, we know from Attorney General Pam Bondi,
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Speaker 5: from FBI Director Cash matell and others that if you
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Speaker 5: look in total over the federal government investigation of the
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Speaker 5: various layers of this for years now, we're looking at
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Speaker 5: upwards of between fifty and sixty convictions and way more indictments,
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Speaker 5: close to one hundred ditments at least so far. Now,
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Speaker 5: it's funny that the corporate media, which for years has
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Speaker 5: done so much to try to just discard the story.
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Speaker 5: They say, that's just a bunch of Republicans saying racism, racism, islamophobia.
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Speaker 5: How dare you talk about Somalis or how dare you
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Speaker 5: talk about people who happen to be Muslim here? But
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Speaker 5: the fraud here is utterly staggering. We're talking about potentially
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Speaker 5: billions of dollars in fraud just by dint of comparison,
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Speaker 5: a way of comparison.
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Speaker 1: Back in two.
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Speaker 5: Thousand and eight, Leanen Brothers, which was the Wall Street
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Speaker 5: bank who's crash really really precipitated the worldwide global financial crisis.
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Speaker 5: They rode off a loss of between three and four
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Speaker 5: billion dollars, and that precipitate a global financial crisis. We
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Speaker 5: can now reliably estimate that that is less than what
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Speaker 5: has been defrauded by the American taxpayer here. When it
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Speaker 5: comes to childcare and daycare centers in America, there's so
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Speaker 5: much to unpack up about the various levels here. One
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Speaker 5: thing that that really just jumps off the page to me, though,
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Speaker 5: is I will say this to me, this ultimately really
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Speaker 5: is a story about immigration, a story partially about government
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Speaker 5: and competence. How the government could possibly not vet these things? Now,
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Speaker 5: look of these businesses, it just led billions of dollars.
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Speaker 5: I mean, my tax payer dollars is a federal dollars.
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Speaker 5: All of our tax dollars just be wasted.
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Speaker 1: No, I think that, I think that's absolutely right. Hey,
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Speaker 1: before I let you go here, I just want to
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Speaker 1: go quickly to New York City. Tell us about new
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Speaker 1: socialist bears Aeron Mom, Donnie's housing justice appointee, who has
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Speaker 1: had a whole series of tweets revealed about calling for
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Speaker 1: the seizure of property and saying that home ownership is
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Speaker 1: about white supremacy. Very quickly, Josh, this doesn't bode well
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Speaker 1: for New York City, does it? Oh?
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Speaker 5: No, it bodes absolutely horrible. Look, New York City is
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Speaker 5: in for a very rough ride. I mean, I'm this guy,
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Speaker 5: this guy is everything that we feared that he would
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Speaker 5: be and more. I mean, look at his very first
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Speaker 5: day in office. There that that chilling, genuinely bone chilling
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Speaker 5: speech that he gave in his inaugural address talking about
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Speaker 5: how the frigidity of individualism is gone and the warmth
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Speaker 5: of collectivism is now here. Well, those tweets that we
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Speaker 5: saw in there from his new tenants overboard the new
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Speaker 5: Housings are I mean, that's the warmth of collectivism, the
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Speaker 5: same warmth of collectivism the people of Venezuela, by the way,
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Speaker 5: we're feeling prior to Nicholas Maduro being ousted in the
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Speaker 5: heroic operation this past weekend in Kraca. Is there, but
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Speaker 5: New York's in for a rough I would just briefly
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Speaker 5: say this. There's a quote that I love from H. L. Makin,
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Speaker 5: a newspaper columnist from one hundred years ago. He said
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Speaker 5: that democracy is a theory that the common man knows
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Speaker 5: what he wants and deserves to get it good and
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Speaker 5: hard news about to experience that desation firsthand.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Josh Hammer for your time. Well. I've mentioned
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Speaker 1: at the top of the show an appalling cartoon which
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Speaker 1: ran in the nine newspapers today by Kathy Wilcox, suggesting
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Speaker 1: that the grassroots campaign for a royal commission into the
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Speaker 1: Bondai massacre is actually being secretly controlled by Israel's Benjamin
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Speaker 1: Nett Yahoo. It's an appalling smear and here to talk
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Speaker 1: about it, as former president of the Australian Jewish Association
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Speaker 1: David Adler, David, thank you so much for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 1: This cartoon really shocked me. I know a lot of
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Speaker 1: people are talking about it today. We're looking at on
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Speaker 1: the screen right there. You see all the different groups
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Speaker 1: that are calling for this royal commission. You see various
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Speaker 1: politicians John Howard just at the Price, David Little Proud, others,
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Speaker 1: and they're all marching to the beat of Benjamin NETTNYA
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Speaker 1: who beating his drum while a doggie says, don't mention
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Speaker 1: the war. Dam it explain how this cartoon feeds into
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Speaker 1: some of the most ancient stereotypes around Jews.
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Speaker 6: James, thank you for highlighting it. And you use the
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Speaker 6: term appalling. I mean you can use the strongest word
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Speaker 6: that you can imagine to describe this. It is appalling.
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Speaker 6: It's highly distressing for the Jewish community, and it's highly
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Speaker 6: distressing in particular for the families of those murdered at
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Speaker 6: Bondi Beach just a few weeks ago. The timing is
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Speaker 6: also appalling coming so soon after that terrorism and the
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Speaker 6: last funeral of a person murdered at Bondai Beach was
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Speaker 6: just today, And you're right, it does reflect a type
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Speaker 6: of anti Semitic trope that the Nazis used about hidden
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Speaker 6: Jewish control, pulling string puppets, whatever. And it's also very
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Speaker 6: very insulting to the prominent people that have stood up
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Speaker 6: those groups you mentioned, politicians, lawyers, the sports stars, etc.
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Speaker 6: It's implying that they can't think for themselves, that they
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Speaker 6: don't have their own moral conscience to express, and they're
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Speaker 6: acting just according to some drum which is being beaten
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Speaker 6: hidden in the distance. Unfortunately, it's dangerous to change. This
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Speaker 6: type of propaganda if it's repeated and perpetuated, has been
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Speaker 6: shown to be inciting hatred in the past, and of
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Speaker 6: course we've seen through history where that leads.
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Speaker 1: David Allan, We're going to have to live there. But
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really wanted to get your
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Speaker 1: voice on here to explain just why this cartoon was
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Speaker 1: such an appalling piece of work, and we can only
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Speaker 1: hope that there's at least a very strong apology coming
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Speaker 1: forward soon. Thank you so much, David Ali for your
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Speaker 1: time now, lots of news on the economic front today.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in EQ Economics Managing director Warren Hogan for
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Speaker 1: his take on today's new inflation figures. Warren, thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining me. The latest figures are in. Annual inflation has
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Speaker 1: dropped to three point four percent in November after that
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Speaker 1: big spike in October, a little bit better than economists
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Speaker 1: we're expecting, but still outside that target. Ban What does
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Speaker 1: all this mean for interest rates and the economy going
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Speaker 1: forward into twenty six.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, good evening, James, thanks for having me on the show. Look,
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Speaker 7: I think the numbers today we've got to be careful with.
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Speaker 7: It's only the second time we've had this monthly CPI,
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Speaker 7: and that headline inflation number you quoted it was down
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Speaker 7: as low as two point one percent a year ago,
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Speaker 7: so it's jumping around a lot. But as you said,
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Speaker 7: it's still even at three four above the IBI's target
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Speaker 7: and a lot higher than what it was six months ago.
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Speaker 7: That is moving away from its target. Despite the fall
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Speaker 7: this month, the core inflation numbers are all rising. So
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Speaker 7: really what we're seeing here is an economy that's recovering,
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Speaker 7: and of course inflation has stopped falling and never actually
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Speaker 7: really got to the RBA's target and now is rising again.
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Speaker 7: The logical implication of all this is interest rates are
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Speaker 7: not at the right level. No one wants to hear it,
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Speaker 7: of course, and we don't debate these things very well
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Speaker 7: in our community. But the reality is interest rates are
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Speaker 7: too low and the RBA we've got to get on
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Speaker 7: with it and get those rates up.
20:31
Speaker 1: A little bit.
20:32
Speaker 7: It's their best chance of not having to raise rates
20:35
Speaker 7: a lot, you know, if they go early.
20:38
Speaker 1: Well, Warren, I want to pick up on something you
20:39
Speaker 1: just said a moment ago about how we don't debate
20:41
Speaker 1: these things very well in our community. I feel like
20:44
Speaker 1: in Australia twenty twenty five years ago, people have a
20:47
Speaker 1: better understanding because they had gone through all of the
20:50
Speaker 1: reform process. What do Australians need to understand about the
20:54
Speaker 1: real danger of letting inflation get out of its box.
20:57
Speaker 1: I know we've spoken about this, you and I offline before,
21:01
Speaker 1: but tell us about what that real destructive possibility of
21:05
Speaker 1: having infleation really getting out of its sparks would mean
21:07
Speaker 1: for the Australian economy and all households, not just mortgage holders. Yeah.
21:12
Speaker 7: Well, the first thing that's apparent to everyone in Australia
21:15
Speaker 7: right now is just how corrosive it is on your
21:17
Speaker 7: standard of living. That is, people are going backwards because
21:21
Speaker 7: their wages can't keep up by and large with the
21:24
Speaker 7: increase in the cost of everything we buy. That's the
21:27
Speaker 7: first thing, the cost of living. It's alive and everyone
21:30
Speaker 7: understands that. But a look back at history does not
21:34
Speaker 7: need much sort of analysis to tell us that inflation
21:37
Speaker 7: is corrosive to a free and open society starting with
21:41
Speaker 7: a well functioning economy. That is, it promotes speculation, it
21:45
Speaker 7: is a detraction from investment in real things like the
21:49
Speaker 7: production of goods and services, and of course it ultimately
21:52
Speaker 7: ends up with the trust issue for the government more generally. So,
21:57
Speaker 7: we have seen this story for hundreds of years and
22:00
Speaker 7: it's amazing in this country that we are so naive
22:06
Speaker 7: and also complacent about what inflation risks are there. And
22:11
Speaker 7: Australians are more exposed to inflation than any other country
22:14
Speaker 7: in the world. That is, we are the most indebted
22:17
Speaker 7: household sector, all of it just about at variable interest rates,
22:21
Speaker 7: and of course we don't have our personal income tax
22:23
Speaker 7: rates hedge through indexation, so we get an increase in
22:27
Speaker 7: taxes through inflation through bracket crew.
22:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, we absolutely do. And in terms of this infleation,
22:32
Speaker 1: how much of the inflation that we're seeing there is
22:35
Speaker 1: due to the public sector not getting out of the way,
22:38
Speaker 1: crowding out the private sector, whether it's in the housing
22:42
Speaker 1: sector or the NDIS which is growing like Topsy, or
22:46
Speaker 1: any of these other sort of areas where the government
22:49
Speaker 1: is just crowding out private job creation and productivity.
22:53
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's happening fast and furiously, and it has been
22:57
Speaker 7: for three or four years.
22:58
Speaker 1: Now.
22:59
Speaker 7: It might be easying back a little bit. There's some
23:01
Speaker 7: hints of a slow down in government spending, but we're
23:03
Speaker 7: talking about a slow down from a rate far in
23:05
Speaker 7: excess of the overall economy to something more online. So
23:08
Speaker 7: it's still actively crowding out a private sector that now
23:12
Speaker 7: wants to invest, needs to invest for new technologies. And
23:16
Speaker 7: of course all of this reflects a fundamental shift in
23:19
Speaker 7: the balance in our economy. With the retirement of the
23:21
Speaker 7: baby boomer generation. We've gone from an economy for thirty
23:24
Speaker 7: forty years of excess labor where unemployment was the problem,
23:28
Speaker 7: and now since the pandemic, it's labor shortages. And until
23:31
Speaker 7: we as a community understand that, and government and the
23:34
Speaker 7: RBA understand that they're not going to get their policies right.
23:38
Speaker 7: As far as the RBA is concerned, though, they need
23:40
Speaker 7: to set interest rates for whatever the government's doing. If
23:42
Speaker 7: the government won't cut back on spending and free up
23:46
Speaker 7: some space in the economy for the private sector, it
23:49
Speaker 7: will produce inflation and the RBA has to act.
23:51
Speaker 1: And if we were labor shortage, that means there's going
23:53
Speaker 1: to be lots of demand to keep the immigration pipeline
23:56
Speaker 1: turned on. How is that going to wind up the
23:59
Speaker 1: impact the housing market? Because normally you would expect that
24:03
Speaker 1: interest rate rises would put a damper on the housing market.
24:07
Speaker 1: But if we continue to have very high net migration,
24:09
Speaker 1: aren't we going to continue to see house price growth
24:12
Speaker 1: and an exacerbation of really that younger generation trying to
24:15
Speaker 1: get on the ladder.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. So the first point is immigration doesn't solve this problem.
24:19
Speaker 7: It helps at the margin, but only at the margin,
24:22
Speaker 7: because you might need a carpenter or an electrician and
24:25
Speaker 7: you bring them in from overseas, but they when they
24:28
Speaker 7: get here, they need a hospital and a house and
24:30
Speaker 7: a road, and they need food and groceries and so forth,
24:33
Speaker 7: so you don't change the balance in the economy. The
24:36
Speaker 7: Japanese have had this issue for twenty years and they
24:38
Speaker 7: had no immigration. The Europeans went into this demographic shift
24:42
Speaker 7: and then they did have immigration, and it hasn't solved
24:44
Speaker 7: the problem. So immigration isn't the solution. But we still
24:48
Speaker 7: are going to benefit from a sensible program over long term.
24:52
Speaker 7: But of course this is we're not seeing a marked
24:55
Speaker 7: slow down in immigration below rates that we were seeing
24:59
Speaker 7: before the pan pandemic. It's slide down a bit in
25:02
Speaker 7: the last months. And of course this is keeping the
25:04
Speaker 7: demand for housing up when we are not building enough
25:07
Speaker 7: able to house everyone we've got right now. So this
25:10
Speaker 7: housing issue is not going.
25:11
Speaker 1: To go away.
25:12
Speaker 7: Past prices might be steady this year if interest strikes
25:15
Speaker 7: go up, but I doubt that, fol much.
25:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, Warren Hogan, thanks so much. We're gonna have to
25:19
Speaker 1: leave with devid. Thank you so much for bringing some
25:21
Speaker 1: of that good debate to our viewers. Really appreciate it.
25:23
Speaker 1: As always. Now stick around because still to come to
25:25
Speaker 1: the nation's top intelligent defense experts are joining that call
25:29
Speaker 1: for that role commission to Danty Sempittism and later in
25:32
Speaker 1: the hour, how politicians are paying off their mortgages using
25:37
Speaker 1: taxpayer funded travel allowances paid for by you. Stick around,
25:45
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. Joining me now is National's
25:48
Speaker 1: MP Michael McCormick to talk all things bond, our role
25:52
Speaker 1: Commission and more. Michael. Thirty two of the nation's top
25:56
Speaker 1: intelligence defense experts, including former Governor David Hurley and former
26:00
Speaker 1: Australian Secret Intelligence Service head Paul Simon, have signed an
26:04
Speaker 1: open letter calling on Labor to establish this royal commission.
26:07
Speaker 1: They wrote that antisemitism and Islamist extremism post serious national
26:13
Speaker 1: security challenges, and establishing a federal Royal Commission into anti
26:17
Speaker 1: Semitism and Islamist extremism is a vital step to help
26:21
Speaker 1: Australia overcome these serious challenges. Michael, we're hearing talk that
26:26
Speaker 1: a royal commission could be called imminently. How concerned are
26:31
Speaker 1: you that the Prime Minister will write the terms of
26:33
Speaker 1: reference in such a way that some things that might
26:36
Speaker 1: be unpleasant for the Labor Party to talk about will
26:39
Speaker 1: be excluded.
26:41
Speaker 8: Well, a prome minist that has to stop having a
26:43
Speaker 8: teenager and just call a royal commission. The Prime minist
26:46
Speaker 8: must listen to this clamor of experts, whether they are
26:52
Speaker 8: the top silks, whether they intelligence agents, former politicians of
27:01
Speaker 8: his own side, and just call a royal commission. And
27:05
Speaker 8: when he does so, the recommendations have to be open
27:09
Speaker 8: into it enough so that we can see what the
27:12
Speaker 8: nub of the real issue was at Bondi, and that
27:15
Speaker 8: was anti Semitism, that was the rise of radical Islam,
27:19
Speaker 8: and that was making sure that this never happens again.
27:24
Speaker 8: And how do we achieve that and nothing else will
27:27
Speaker 8: not be acceptable by the community at large.
27:30
Speaker 1: James, Yeah, but Michael, you know, I'm concerned that there's
27:33
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the Australian labor movement that
27:37
Speaker 1: still just don't seem to get it. The Australian website
27:41
Speaker 1: is reporting just now that there is a group within
27:44
Speaker 1: labor and on the left now that are pushing for
27:47
Speaker 1: Anthony Albinezi to cancel a visit by Israeli President Isaac
27:52
Speaker 1: Hertzog early in this year to where he was going
27:56
Speaker 1: to come to pay his condolences and offer Israel's annolences
28:00
Speaker 1: to the victims of the Bondai massacre. The just say well, no,
28:04
Speaker 1: he's not welcome. As the Albanis he should cancel that visit.
28:07
Speaker 1: They don't get it, do they.
28:09
Speaker 8: Well, you can only imagine that it just comes down
28:12
Speaker 8: to votes. Why else would they do it, James, Why else?
28:15
Speaker 8: What other possible reason would be other than quite frankly votes.
28:20
Speaker 8: And I know you don't want to politicize these things,
28:24
Speaker 8: but at the end of the day, that's what it is.
28:26
Speaker 8: And then of course we've got next month being sworn
28:29
Speaker 8: in Philip Bolton sc appointed by new South Wales Attorney
28:33
Speaker 8: General Michael Day, who has been vociferous criticism of the
28:38
Speaker 8: special invoice set up to rid this country supposedly of
28:42
Speaker 8: anti Semitism. We had Justice Belinda Rick go against the
28:48
Speaker 8: new South Wales Police Commissioner and indeed the Premier and
28:52
Speaker 8: allow that August three Sydney harbor Bridge protest to take place.
28:56
Speaker 8: So not only you were being let down by indeed
28:59
Speaker 8: the Prime Minister, we're also being let down by sad
29:02
Speaker 8: to say, the judiciary. And I'm glad to see that
29:05
Speaker 8: the new South walest Police Commissioner, Mault Lanion has extended
29:08
Speaker 8: by a fortnite that prohibition of protests. I spoke to
29:12
Speaker 8: him just the other day. I thanked him for what
29:15
Speaker 8: he's done, and he's been very strong and he's been
29:19
Speaker 8: very forthright in his comments, as has I have to say.
29:22
Speaker 1: Premier Mints.
29:23
Speaker 8: But we've been let down badly in Canberra, and we've
29:26
Speaker 8: been let down by the highest office in the land,
29:29
Speaker 8: and that is occupied by none other than Anthony Albanezi.
29:32
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned Chris Mins, the Premier here in
29:35
Speaker 1: New South Wales, who has received so many kudos for
29:37
Speaker 1: his handling of anti Semitism since really the October seventh attacks.
29:42
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk now that they might wind
29:44
Speaker 1: up doing a joint royal commission between the federal government
29:47
Speaker 1: and New South Wales. Is Albanezy trying to maybe get
29:51
Speaker 1: a little bit of that glory reflected on him, you know,
29:54
Speaker 1: tying himself to Mins, who seems to be much better
29:57
Speaker 1: and at hitting the emotional tone of the note that
30:01
Speaker 1: is required in these things.
30:03
Speaker 8: Well, who would know, James. I mean, he's put in
30:05
Speaker 8: place that Richardson review and then's richards done some fine
30:08
Speaker 8: things and look, there's nothing wrong with the departmental review,
30:11
Speaker 8: which will report back quickly, which will provide some answer.
30:15
Speaker 8: It's but what we need is an exhaustive, thorough investigation
30:19
Speaker 8: into why this occurred, and that cannot happen without a
30:23
Speaker 8: Royal commission, and it cannot happen unless Anthony alban Easy
30:27
Speaker 8: decides to show some gumption, some inner fortitude, call one
30:31
Speaker 8: and make sure that the terms of reference, make sure.
30:34
Speaker 1: That they are very much what the community would expect, so.
30:39
Speaker 8: That we never have to endure what those poor fifteen
30:42
Speaker 8: families are enduring now. And of course the last of
30:46
Speaker 8: the victims was buried today. And if for no other
30:50
Speaker 8: reason James do it for little Matilda, he should be
30:53
Speaker 8: doing it for little Matilda.
30:55
Speaker 1: Absolutely right, perfectly, said mikeel. Not that you're and waggawaga
30:59
Speaker 1: to Nate here. You may be making that long drive
31:01
Speaker 1: up the huge highway a bit sooner than expected if
31:04
Speaker 1: Parliament does get recalled before Australia Day. Yet, even though
31:07
Speaker 1: you might get Parliament called back to deal with hate
31:10
Speaker 1: speech and gun control legislation, you haven't seen anyway, nobody
31:14
Speaker 1: has seen any of the draft legislation yet. Are you
31:17
Speaker 1: concerned that the changes will be rushed through Parliament and
31:21
Speaker 1: is there going to be enough time to really work
31:23
Speaker 1: through some pretty complicated issues, particularly around speech, which will
31:27
Speaker 1: involve almost surely constitutional challenges.
31:32
Speaker 8: Well, that's a very good point, James, and I hope
31:34
Speaker 8: we sit for as long as it takes so that
31:36
Speaker 8: we can do a proper review of any legislation. But
31:41
Speaker 8: it guns and I don't think we need to change
31:43
Speaker 8: our gun laws to the tightest in the world as
31:45
Speaker 8: it is now, or one or amongst the tightest in
31:48
Speaker 8: the Western world. It's not guns as the problem. It's
31:50
Speaker 8: anti Islam. Sorry, Radical Islam is the problem.
31:54
Speaker 1: That's the issue.
31:55
Speaker 8: Our law abiding farmers and recreational shooters don't do this
31:59
Speaker 8: sort of thing.
32:00
Speaker 9: They do not.
32:00
Speaker 8: Radical Islam is the issue. It's not guns, but guns.
32:05
Speaker 8: Guns don't kill people. It's people with murderous intent are
32:09
Speaker 8: killing people. That's the problem. But we need to have
32:12
Speaker 8: a good, long, hard look at any legislation that is proposed,
32:16
Speaker 8: that any legislation has put up. And if we have
32:18
Speaker 8: to sit there until the wee small hours of the night,
32:22
Speaker 8: and if we have to sit right until Parliament was
32:25
Speaker 8: due to go back in February, anyway, we'll say be it.
32:27
Speaker 1: That's what our jobs is. That's what our jobs are
32:31
Speaker 1: there to do.
32:31
Speaker 8: We are there to serve the people of Australia, to
32:34
Speaker 8: get the right legislation, to make the right laws to
32:36
Speaker 8: make it a safer and secure place for our.
32:39
Speaker 1: Citizens, and anything less.
32:42
Speaker 8: While we're failing, we're abrogating in our responsibility of our duty.
32:45
Speaker 1: So I don't care how long it takes.
32:47
Speaker 8: I don't care if I have to sit there for
32:49
Speaker 8: as Scott Morrison and Josh Friedenberg and I did during
32:54
Speaker 8: the initial stages of COVID. We sat there for eighteen hours,
32:57
Speaker 8: day after day, making sure we have job keeper in
32:59
Speaker 8: play and the right provisions to save people's lives and
33:02
Speaker 8: to save their livelihoods. So if it takes something like
33:05
Speaker 8: that for all of the Parliament, we'll save there. That's
33:08
Speaker 8: what we're paid to do, and we're paid well enough.
33:10
Speaker 8: So let's do the job that the people entrusted us
33:13
Speaker 8: to do.
33:14
Speaker 1: And finally, Michael, just before you go, I just wanted
33:16
Speaker 1: to get maybe, you know, thirty seconds reflections about your colleague,
33:19
Speaker 1: veteran National Senator and Party luminary Ron Boswell, who passed
33:23
Speaker 1: away yesterday at eighty five years old. He was a
33:26
Speaker 1: senator who had a huge amount of impact. What was
33:29
Speaker 1: your memories of the contributions that he made to the party.
33:36
Speaker 8: Bozzie did so much for farmers, for fishes, for pharmacists,
33:39
Speaker 8: for licensed post office people who work in those important institutions.
33:46
Speaker 8: He was country to the bootstraps. Bozzie wasn't pretty in
33:50
Speaker 8: his unwords, but he was pretty effective. That was the
33:53
Speaker 8: title of his book, A more apped autobiography there has
33:56
Speaker 8: never been. Bozzie was a buitlike we will miss him
33:59
Speaker 8: dearly and even long after he's parliamentary Senate career finish,
34:03
Speaker 8: which was the sixth longest senate, longest serving Senate career
34:07
Speaker 8: in since federation, Pozzie was still contributing, still telling us
34:11
Speaker 8: what we should do, how we should do it.
34:13
Speaker 1: God Loving my God rest he saw a beaute buck.
34:17
Speaker 1: Let's all say rip Pozzi. Michael McCormick, thank you so
34:20
Speaker 1: much for your time. Now don't go away, because we're
34:22
Speaker 1: going to talk a lot more about plenty of other news,
34:25
Speaker 1: including what some parliamentarians are doing with their allowances. After
34:29
Speaker 1: the break, Welcome back to Creditlin. I'm James Borrow. Now
34:36
Speaker 1: let's bring in tonight's panel. Sky News contributor pru mcsweeen
34:39
Speaker 1: and legal academic and Sky News contributor Rock Olaya Kano.
34:43
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Both of you want to start
34:46
Speaker 1: out with this story in the Daily Telegraph today and
34:48
Speaker 1: I've had so many people ask me about this. There's
34:51
Speaker 1: a lot of outrage about this that federal politicians have
34:54
Speaker 1: been using taxpayer funded travel allowances to pay off mortgages.
35:00
Speaker 1: Now the politicians receive three hundred and twenty two dollars
35:03
Speaker 1: a day to cover accommodation and food during sitting weeks,
35:07
Speaker 1: even if they stay at a home. They own a
35:10
Speaker 1: home in Canberra which they could be paying off with
35:14
Speaker 1: those funds. Rocco, we talk a lot about the pub
35:18
Speaker 1: test here, but I mean, coming on the back of
35:21
Speaker 1: all of the expenses scandals we had at the end
35:24
Speaker 1: of last year, do we really need to tighten up
35:27
Speaker 1: the way we pay our parliamentarians.
35:31
Speaker 10: A good evening, James, and happy New Year.
35:32
Speaker 8: Look.
35:33
Speaker 10: I have no issue with incentives to encourage people to
35:37
Speaker 10: put themselves up for public life when you consider that
35:40
Speaker 10: comparatively against the major CEOs of companies, they're not paid
35:45
Speaker 10: all that well. But what I do have an issue
35:46
Speaker 10: with is the double standards when they get there. Now,
35:49
Speaker 10: as you alluded to, we had a Anika Wells and
35:52
Speaker 10: Michelle Roland thinking that tax payers money is at bottomless
35:56
Speaker 10: pit that they continually make use of But surely I
36:00
Speaker 10: would have thought that the same people that are making
36:02
Speaker 10: use of this benefit are the same ones that are
36:04
Speaker 10: also arguing for things like cuts to negative gearing, cuts
36:08
Speaker 10: to capital gains, tax concessions, cuts to diving in streaming,
36:11
Speaker 10: when people want to minimize their tax Now, surely what
36:14
Speaker 10: is good for the goose is good for the gander.
36:16
Speaker 10: As you say, this doesn't pub past the pub test,
36:18
Speaker 10: particularly when most Australians are doing it tough and the
36:22
Speaker 10: politicians are using the tax payers money to make the
36:26
Speaker 10: most of it.
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Speaker 1: Shall we say? Well, Raco rims of an interesting point
36:30
Speaker 1: there that, you know, compared to what people in the
36:32
Speaker 1: private sector might make, a lot of MPs aren't making,
36:35
Speaker 1: you know, what they could make somewhere else. Is this job?
36:39
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit prudish about this? Should we actually
36:41
Speaker 1: pay our politicians more like they do in Singapore and
36:45
Speaker 1: then maybe we might wind up with a better class
36:47
Speaker 1: of politician.
36:49
Speaker 11: Well, I think that's the point, isn't it that we're
36:51
Speaker 11: not getting value for money. The lot that we have
36:54
Speaker 11: by and large are not impressive. You know, as an
36:57
Speaker 11: employer I look at them and think would I give
37:00
Speaker 11: them a job? And the answer would be no. You know,
37:02
Speaker 11: the performance is pretty pathetic. Look Muller for mortgages. You know,
37:08
Speaker 11: they're all they've all got their snouts in the trough.
37:11
Speaker 11: And what annoys me is that if they're going to
37:14
Speaker 11: do it, if they really believe that this independent inquiry
37:18
Speaker 11: has justified it, and they're working from home, what about
37:21
Speaker 11: all the other jobs. The fly in and the drive
37:24
Speaker 11: in workers drive out workers who don't get the fringe
37:28
Speaker 11: benefit tax benefits. So I think, you know, there needs
37:32
Speaker 11: to be reform if we are going to do this.
37:35
Speaker 11: But you're right, we need to attract better caliber people
37:38
Speaker 11: and it's a crappy job. And if you have to
37:42
Speaker 11: contend with factionalism and not be able to perform as
37:45
Speaker 11: you would want to, then you know this is the
37:48
Speaker 11: problem with our political system.
37:50
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think there's a lot of issues there.
37:53
Speaker 1: I think you're right, but let's move on from the
37:56
Speaker 1: legislature to the judiciary because of concerns your new South
38:00
Speaker 1: over the appointment of a high profile criminal silk Philip
38:03
Speaker 1: Bolton SC to the New South Wales Supreme Court, who
38:07
Speaker 1: has got a fairly long, extensive record of criticism of
38:11
Speaker 1: Israel and involvement with the labor Friends of Palestine group.
38:15
Speaker 1: He's also attacked the anti Semitism Special Envoy on social media,
38:19
Speaker 1: including whether the federal government did a thorough background check
38:22
Speaker 1: before appointing her Roco as a legal academic yourself, is
38:28
Speaker 1: there a problem in the judiciary that you get people
38:33
Speaker 1: who have very political views and then those wind up,
38:36
Speaker 1: you know, causing all sorts of chaos on the bench.
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Speaker 10: Oh, look, James, the judiciary in this country has been
38:44
Speaker 10: politicized for quite some time.
38:48
Speaker 1: Generally.
38:49
Speaker 10: Look, we've seen what happened in Victoria under the criminal
38:53
Speaker 10: justice system there with Cardinal pell where the High Court
38:55
Speaker 10: had to quash a conviction seven zip point. Unfortunately, Yeah, unfortunately.
39:02
Speaker 10: Sometimes we have cases of judges who seem to think
39:05
Speaker 10: that they are an extension of the executive rather than
39:07
Speaker 10: a check on it. Back in October, the Chief Justice
39:11
Speaker 10: Western Australia, Peter Quidlan, before Dessi Freeman attacked those poor
39:14
Speaker 10: cops mind you, gave an interview to the local newspaper
39:18
Speaker 10: about the dangers of sovereign citizens and then, surprise, surprise,
39:21
Speaker 10: less than a week later, there was a police raid
39:25
Speaker 10: on some alleged sovereign citizens and their guns confiscated. Now
39:30
Speaker 10: you would be familiar, Jones, being an American with the
39:32
Speaker 10: Federalist Society, which was founded to return the judiciary back
39:38
Speaker 10: rather than being politically active, to being more applying the
39:42
Speaker 10: rule of law as the law should be, telling us
39:45
Speaker 10: what the law says, rather than actually telling us what
39:47
Speaker 10: the law should be. And that is what we need
39:49
Speaker 10: to get back to in this country. And that's why
39:52
Speaker 10: organizations like the Semil Griff Society in this country are
39:55
Speaker 10: inspired by the Federal Society to actually do that.
39:58
Speaker 1: No, that's a great organization, that civil Society of approval.
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Speaker 1: I want to just ask you too, though, is there
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Speaker 1: a political problem here, because it seems to me when
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Speaker 1: labor is in power, they do a very good job
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Speaker 1: of putting in their own people, but the liberals don't
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Speaker 1: always do such a good job of people who are
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Speaker 1: going to take their line, whether it's in the judiciary
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Speaker 1: or the bureaucracy. Your quick thoughts on that, well, I agree.
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Speaker 11: I mean, drain the swamp is what we should be
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Speaker 11: doing when we have a new party in place, because
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Speaker 11: labor in particular, as you say, has infiltrated its people
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Speaker 11: into all kinds of bureaucracy areas in the departments you
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Speaker 11: see that in those committee meetings where you have the
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Speaker 11: public servants acting like absolute deaf and dumb bells because
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Speaker 11: they're so worried about upsetting their political masters. They're not
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Speaker 11: independent and we definitely need to, I think, address that.
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Speaker 11: And I don't understand why the Liberals have never done
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Speaker 11: it before, because labor are adept at it. And it's
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Speaker 11: not just in our departments, our bureaucracies. It's in schools
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Speaker 11: and all sorts of institutions where they've been wiggled themselves,
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Speaker 11: and it's a real worry.
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Speaker 3: I just done.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, God, I'm gonna have to leave it there. Provensween,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time, Rockelicono, appreciate your insights,
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Speaker 1: both of you. Now, welcome back to the program. I'm
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Speaker 1: James Morrow, filling in for Peter Kredlin. Now I'm pleased
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Speaker 1: to be joined live from London by writer and broadcaster
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Speaker 1: Esther Krakuo. Esther, great to see you. Happy New Year.
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Speaker 1: So much to talk about here, and I've got to
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Speaker 1: talk about this really disturbing story. UK opposition leader Kenny
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Speaker 1: Badnock has demanded the sacking of the West Midlands Police
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Speaker 1: chief Craig Guildford. Because he apparently banned Israeli fans from
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Speaker 1: a Europa League match at Aston Villa in November and
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Speaker 1: apparently played down threats of violence from Muslim fans in
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Speaker 1: an extempt to have an excuse to ban Israeli fans. Esther,
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Speaker 1: this sounds really disturbing. What's the story here?
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Speaker 9: I mean, what this story shows is the degree of
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Speaker 9: ideological capture and how easy it is for our public
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Speaker 9: institutions to be ideologically taken over by what, in this
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Speaker 9: case looks like Islamists. So what happened is the West
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Speaker 9: Midlands police banned Tel Aviv fans from going to Birmingham
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Speaker 9: to watch this match, and citing that there was a
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Speaker 9: higher risk of violence indicating from the Israeli fans. What
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Speaker 9: then transpired after he was badgered about it by Nick Timothy,
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Speaker 9: who's a conservative MP, was actually the threat was coming
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Speaker 9: from local residents so Birmingham, from many people who don't
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Speaker 9: know he has a significant Muslim population. I'm sure it's
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Speaker 9: probably pushing towards half the city at this point, and
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Speaker 9: so no one in Britain actually was very surprised by this.
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Speaker 9: What we were surprised by was the idea was the
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Speaker 9: fact that the police chief argued that it was the
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Speaker 9: threat looked like it was coming from Tel Aviv fans. Now,
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Speaker 9: the investigation was in and of itself by the police,
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Speaker 9: who put together on an advisory board to consult on
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Speaker 9: this matter.
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Speaker 12: Was shortly at best.
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Speaker 9: It was they basically made the decision and then put
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Speaker 9: together some flimsy excuses to justify it. One constable said
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Speaker 9: he had a phone conversation with a Dutch police officer.
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Speaker 9: This phone conversation didn't have any minutes, by the way,
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Speaker 9: so the public doesn't even.
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Speaker 12: Know what transpired during this phone conversation.
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Speaker 9: And then that was, according to the police, the basis
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Speaker 9: for which they decided to say, Okay, we're going to
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Speaker 9: ban these fans, and now what's transpired is actually the
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Speaker 9: threat came from the local Muslim residence.
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Speaker 12: One of the people on.
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Speaker 9: The advisory board was actually an independent MP who's called
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Speaker 9: for israelative banned from all international sports, so very non
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Speaker 9: biased guy there. And when he was asked why he
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Speaker 9: didn't specify that the threat was coming from local residents,
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Speaker 9: he said, and I quote because we weren't asked.
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Speaker 12: So that's the quality of our police chiefs.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking a bit of a pattern here in stories
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Speaker 1: out of the UK where when there is Islamist violence involved,
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Speaker 1: there is a tendency to play it down by the authorities.
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Speaker 12: Oh yes, but the root of that is ideological capture.
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Speaker 9: The fact that you know, not just this independent MP,
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Speaker 9: mister Kah't was on this board, but there are actually
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Speaker 9: other individuals on this advisory group who've also openly called
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Speaker 9: for Israel to be banned from sports.
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Speaker 12: You just think, okay, so what was your selection process?
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Speaker 9: Did you not think some degree of political neutrality or
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Speaker 9: the very least balance was required here? And this is
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Speaker 9: the kind of same pattern, unfortunately, that you're seeing with
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Speaker 9: the grooming gang scandal. Why were so many thousands of
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Speaker 9: white British girls predominantly being raped and targeted by mainly British,
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Speaker 9: well Pakistani men in Britain. Well, it's because no one
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Speaker 9: wants to speak about it, because our institutions have been
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Speaker 9: ideologically captured, so they're too nervous to upset the wrong people,
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Speaker 9: even though the crime is being perpetrated against.
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Speaker 12: These girls are as heanous as they come.
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Speaker 1: I just want to get through a couple of stories
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Speaker 1: Ester before I let you go. First of all, views
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Speaker 1: of a new potential ceasefire deal involving Vladimir Zelenski, but
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Speaker 1: Emanuel Macron and Kirs Starmer have been involved, and apparently
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Speaker 1: there's going to be some commitment of British troops to
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Speaker 1: Ukraine potentially to help guarantee a ceasefire walk US through
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Speaker 1: this and how is this being received?
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Speaker 9: Well, it's taken almost four years for the European from
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Speaker 9: European allies to establish that they're actually willing to put
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Speaker 9: boots on the ground to defend Ukraine. The Coalition of
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Speaker 9: the Willing, as it's been quoted or described as only
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Speaker 9: basically two willing countries, which is the UK and France.
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Speaker 9: And surprisingly the US has decided to offer a backstop,
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Speaker 9: saying that if there was any military action or incursion
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Speaker 9: by the Russians, they would help reinforce that. But again,
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Speaker 9: the state of the military is both in France and
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Speaker 9: certainly in the UK, is as pathetic as they come.
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Speaker 9: You know, for over thirty years our military has been
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Speaker 9: underfunded and hollowed out. Our standing armed forces could not
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Speaker 9: fill up one blee stagium if you got together Taylor
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Speaker 9: Swift fans under the age of twelve. There are more
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Speaker 9: of them in one house than we have the entire armed.
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Speaker 12: Forces to protect the UK. So the logistics of this
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Speaker 12: is just mind blowing.
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Speaker 1: That is shocking. Hey, one more shocking story, Estra quickly
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Speaker 1: here another story that apparently police in Britain have been
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Speaker 1: told not to arrest people for cannabis possession and they
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Speaker 1: say basically that if you've got some weed on you,
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Speaker 1: you can say, oh, well, you know that's just medicinal.
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Speaker 1: You've got to let me go and the police have
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Speaker 1: to take your word for it. Now, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: put it out there. I'm not a fan of weed,
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Speaker 1: weed culture. I don't think this is a high achievement
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Speaker 1: sort of drug that people are taking. And I think
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Speaker 1: this is going to be a disaster because I've seen
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Speaker 1: it in America. But what do you reckon?
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Speaker 9: I think the fact that this even needs to be
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Speaker 9: said just shows how basically not active the police have
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Speaker 9: been in that you have many people since twenty eighteen
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Speaker 9: that have been given medicinal licenses to use marijuana. But again,
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Speaker 9: these make up about a third of the actual investigations
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Speaker 9: by the police. The vast majority of them are not
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Speaker 9: for medicinal purposes, and you're seeing the actual rise in
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Speaker 9: mental health issues, particularly amongst black men in Britain that
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Speaker 9: have a much higher likelihood of schizophrenia using these kinds
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Speaker 9: of drugs. And you're just thinking, well, this is a
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Speaker 9: public health crisis waiting to happen. But again, this doesn't
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Speaker 9: surprise me at all.
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Speaker 1: Well, esther, do you have that issue in London like
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Speaker 1: you have in cities like New York and around the
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Speaker 1: United States where they're basically pop dispensaries that are handing
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Speaker 1: out very high caliber marijuana that's much stronger than what
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Speaker 1: people were smoking twenty years ago, causing all sorts of
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Speaker 1: mental health issues.
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Speaker 9: Well, thankfully we don't have shops that blatantly sell some
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Speaker 9: high strength marijuana because it's still classed as a drug.
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Speaker 9: But yes, many of our parks around the UK just
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Speaker 9: stink of weed, really strong, disgusting smelling stuff. And again
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Speaker 9: you're seeing the horizon sort of public health, sort of
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Speaker 9: mental health issues associated with this drug. So the link
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Speaker 9: is undeniable at this point.
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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, and what about the other drug issues around
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Speaker 1: the UK. Is there a problem with this diverting attention
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Speaker 1: from other drug enforcement problems with cocaine or other sorts
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Speaker 1: of issues. Well, we haven't just to.
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Speaker 12: Kind of give up a broad overview.
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Speaker 9: We haven't reviewed our drug policy here in the UK
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Speaker 9: the Drug Misuse Acts for over fifty years, so clearly
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Speaker 9: we we just implement a policy and never review and
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Speaker 9: we just firm up public money at it, regardless of
48:04
Speaker 9: whether it's more effective.
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Speaker 12: Potent.
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Speaker 9: Hard drugs are more available and more potent and cheaper
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Speaker 9: than ever before, and yet the police just take a
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Speaker 9: few off the street and then you know, seconds later
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Speaker 9: a higher dosage is flooded back onto the street.
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Speaker 12: So our policing of hard drugs is completely ineffective.
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Speaker 1: Esther Crack who it sounds like an absolute disaster there,
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Speaker 1: But thank you for bringing us all the news from
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Speaker 1: the UK. Really appreciate it there. Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for joining me. Now, stick around because coming up next
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Speaker 1: is the Boat Report with James McPherson. Stick around because
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Speaker 1: after the break, the great esther Crack who joins us
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Speaker 1: from London. We've got a lot of stuff to talk
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Speaker 1: about coming out of the UK after the break.