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Talks to Steven Alexander about his choice of Four to Doomsday (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to hamster with a
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  blunt. Penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. I am here with this.
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  Spectacularly, fabulous. Steven Alexander say, Hello,
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  Steven. Hello, hello, hello, hello.
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  I will now say hello in the several dialects of which aren't
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  I did that joke tonight. Let's yeah, let's just go
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  straight to episode. No, wait.
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  First of all, I threw out to Twitter.
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  I asked them for the hand Fab if they had any opinions on forces.
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  Despite our employee were their opinions.
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  Okay? Three now.
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  And I want, okay, what you think, okay.
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  But on the condition that you read them out in the style of
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  the announcers on bats life so that is we heard from you see
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  McCall on Twitter like that. Okay there we go.
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  So today we heard from Daniel night.
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  Daniel night says it looks great.
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  The BBC should have kept those sets instead of overused
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  triangles are popped up in who Blake.
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  On Etc. Tegan makes me laugh.
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  Sometimes for the right reasons. Oh, Daniel!
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  Patrick is a treacherous brat, and this guy gets to save the
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  doctor because no one notices her.
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  What do you think those that is? That is a beautiful correct
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  opinion. However, I won't have a word
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  said against the triangles Daniel nights you're out of
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  here. Okay.
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  Andy Parkinson chipped in with, I fully agree with you.
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  This was me saying, I didn't like it.
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  Yeah. It's an absolute dog, turd of a
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  story. I'm going to have to watch it.
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  Now, when I get home in order to vent my spleen and it's utter
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  crap - well, what you do in your own flesh, time is up to you.
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  And he's, so you're out here. I'll tell you what.
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  That's a sort of tweet you wrote when Frazier for about robot of
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  Sherwood. Yeah, well if you feel strongly
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  about something, it's good to express yourself and vent that
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  old Splinter, you are definitely feel some spleen venting in your
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  Tweet. About robot of Sherwood.
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  We have a new member of a me, I will always say gay and fight,
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  is, is the name of the person, okay?
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  All right, that's noise. Co-ed your app is free for free.
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  I'm afraid Stephen o, a good story, one, great moment which
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  is this is me in inverted Commerce outweighed by a week
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  villain, such a waste of Stratford, John's a sketchy plot
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  and a pretty poor climax of that particular season.
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  It's the sixth best story. We've only time flight being
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  worse that is outrageous. Stratford John is so far from
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  being wasted in this story. He gets so much to do.
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  He has so much character that you brings into the into the
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  into the story and he's so much fun.
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  Every scene he's in is just like, oh yeah, it's for John.
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  Yeah, he's been really cool. I love it, I love it, I love it,
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  everybody at Steven Alexander. All right, not me.
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  Okay. All right.
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  Okay, so we're gonna do a piece off here as well.
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  Yeah. So you're basically saying
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  you'll be like that Dawn French sketched.
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  Remember where she's like your Mana pool?
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  Yeah. No I'm thinking of is Leslie.
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  Nielsen the Naked Gun where he's he's become the Umpire for the
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  baseball match and he's just actually tell you I want to get
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  off a bitch anyway. Yes remember when I do get in
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  take me out to a holosuite you are God Okay.
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  All right, we won't go into the outside cat is in then.
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  OK and pulse the sodium chloride in 3 2, 1.
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  Go I don't you have a general question for you though.
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  Okay. Do you think this has a so
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  Castro valve are kicked off the arrow in a really sort of
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  refreshing way. And it ended on a very sort of
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  optimistic, shipshape Tardis team.
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  You know, often a Adventures, blah, blah.
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  Do you think this feels like, you know, sort of stepping,
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  stepping out into the universe, as a new team and that there's a
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  kind of naivety, but sort of adventurous feel to this story.
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  Absolutely, absolutely. They get to explore a spaceship
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  and find strange. New worlds, I mean, what is
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  Stranger Than finding a frog on a spaceship, surrounded by
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  robots disguised, as Athenians and ancient Greeks, and, but I
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  don't care, isn't it? It's so doctor, it's so
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  wonderful. I think that also this kind of
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  comes from round about this time.
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  You know what, it reminds me. I've read about this time.
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  You had you'd remember it. Did you ever have a Choose Your
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  Own Adventure books? Oh yeah.
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  When you flick forward and backwards different pages?
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  Yeah, yeah and then it says, oh you need you need a pencil or a
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  bit string or something to help, but I just want to read the
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  book. There's ones that specifically
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  set up. I found out it's inside you fo
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  5441 of the Sci-Fi Once it is some sci-fi ones of the tutor
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  and Adventures. The title.
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  Yeah, yeah. That's weak dollars.
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  Yeah. I can remember it.
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  I took it off on. Should have been obviously did
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  Choose Your Own Adventure with the Doctor Who Choose Your Own
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  Adventure books such as the Rowdy.
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  He is a well-known. No, no, no.
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  This is this is, this is the Choose Your Own Adventure series
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  that were incredibly popular and about 83 84 and then obviously
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  Be it for episode. Yeah.
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  So that's what covers with a little border on them.
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  Yeah, but you know what? You can do it for to do mistake,
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  aren't ya? You ready?
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  Buddy. Plot.
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  There's so many I'm going on in this house.
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  Yes. But it's all, yeah.
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  But then you get people complaining, this slow.
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  See those is. I think it's all clearly laid
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  out and I love how everything develops and everything arises
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  naturally from the previous plot point.
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  And at the end, it does actually all tie together and make sense,
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  you know, you could understand why everyone's a robot, you can
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  understand this whole thing about them, having the plants
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  the the floor in the former section because more Islamic
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  needs the air. And yeah, the boys with the
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  frogs you know, so that I think it's really well thought through
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  but Enlightenment and persuasion their robots on my, they're not
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  guess not actual frog but Stratford John's Look is an
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  actual from person. Yes.
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  He still have these questions, honestly, is he, is he still a
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  frog are all the recreational people?
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  They're all robots as well. So I'm just going to drop you
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  the say. Wow, although he billion on one
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  ship, I love that line. So I said it twice.
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  So what's all this about, people miniaturized and who am I?
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  I'm so confused, it's his race, it's the bankers always, done
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  his militarized, all the bankers and put them on his ship.
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  And then basically, I won't because, I don't thinks he's
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  God, right? Moloch thinks he is the ultimate
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  being and well, because he's so much smarter than everyone else.
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  He's met the bar for the doctor and hand, you know, he thinks
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  he's got the ultimate power. So he's spending his time, going
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  backwards and forwards to her You know, you said in the last
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  episode, you, oh, I'm fed up with watching these recreational
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  at the end of four episodes. Joe, they've been watching these
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  recreational for 25,000 years. How do you think they feel?
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  Honestly, I could they've got a couple of things as a big
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  brother or something to watch. But this is this is ultimately,
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  for me, this is ultimately what doctor is about its people in
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  funky costumes, in sci-fi corridors wondering about and
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  having Adventures exploring and what is more Doctor Who than the
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  costumes you getting. This is a costume drama with
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  sci-fi corridors. It's fantastic.
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  Yeah, so a moment ago I was very struck by the lighting in the
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  corridor which was very dark and very shadowy and very moody.
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  Yeah but it's I'm really irritated because John black and
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  I think he's guilty of this Innkeeper tracking as well.
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  And in canine company is it just a camera buddy, moves cameras,
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  have the capacity to move and zoom.
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  The now I'm do exciting things. And yet very often, they're just
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  stationary and he does show off the sets.
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  See there, the three of them there, it grabbed harmful
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  shooting that he peed be slowly going in towards them or
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  shooting up at them. You know, where is John packs
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  direction is very flat, but Graham, Harper's strength is
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  action and drawing you into a story through through, through
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  these camera techniques. Whereas, I think Joe On black is
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  sort of standing back and letting the effectors to the
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  work, which is a shame because they've got Janet Sarah and
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  math, you know. They are there any good?
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  I think it's about to lose her shit here.
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  I love you. No, no, no.
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  You know, all the lines from this story there's that's so
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  terrible. He's reaction is to that.
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  It goes who we gonna tell will be lost?
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  Yeah, but I think this is a very simple.
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  You think it's terrible? I think it's really good because
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  I enjoy it because I think it's fun.
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  And I think what he does here, with the rock skin, is a lot of
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  fun as well where he puts his hat on it.
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  And does the Buzzy thing, not saying, there isn't any fun to
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  be had here. I'm not saying that all, this is
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  absolutely awful. Yeah, I've already mentioned
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  design and things like that, but what I didn't even I have to
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  mention the sets. You said it for me.
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  I just think dramatically narratively in terms of dialogue
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  characterization, there is a lot to be desired in this story.
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  Well not really okay you get it's a good showing for like a
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  may not be, you may not like the character but is a good showing
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  for the four of them. And I think one thing it does
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  very well is it actually balances The regulars.
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  I'll give you done things here. They all get some.
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  Yeah but I think they're all carrots rise to an extreme and
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  that's not very believable. I think it at this stage it is
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  because this is like their first story that's not big event where
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  they're just together so you want to get to know them and
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  what better way to get to know them by having the massively
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  over acting, I'm saying, absolutely ridiculous things,
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  even dating some sort through This script I don't think was
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  one. They were in any great desire to
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  make, but from what I understand and to Nereid was left with a
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  pile of scripts J NT. Whizzed off to America to have
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  his ego stroked or something and then sorry.
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  I was going on those conventions.
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  I don't want life and Anthony Reid had all these scripts and
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  you know, a lot of them left a lot to be desired.
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  What was the first ones to see? Project seated Sigma?
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  That's the one. Yep.
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  And but Force doomsday, whilst it was Workman like was ready to
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  go, but essentially it had that it could be made.
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  So they coat, right? We're gonna go with this one
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  because it's you know, it's competent.
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  You know. Well I fix on with the
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  production notes of this and what I saw was the Project's
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  needs to Sigma would have cost 50 Grand to make this cost 40
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  gram to make. So there's really no question of
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  which one they were going to do because this this was a better
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  value, less characters, less sets, Do you know what that was
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  about project? See the sigma the mostest poke
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  off a nuclear war. Apparently, really all?
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  That's really exciting. That's as much more exciting
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  than this. So sighs, what could be more
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  exciting than a space from coming to Earth and threatening
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  to poison everyone? That's exciting.
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  I find that exciting. What's more exciting than Tegan?
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  Telling the doctor what a complete gears and then the
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  doctor turning around. And basically talking to her
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  like he was, oh God, I'm actually gonna go there.
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  Talking to her. Like she was his pet, dog.
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  Look at, hey, might as well. Those lovely 80 hairdos and this
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  is nice. They've since I do you think
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  Davison in this story comes across as a strong leading, man?
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  Do you think he's a, I mean, you can't call him a worthy
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  successor to talk because you can't succeed.
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  Tom, but do you think he's good in the context of this story?
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  I think there are Are only a few time in his entire run where I
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  think he comes across as a strong leading man.
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  And I think it's David some responding to the script.
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  So something like Frontiers something.
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  Like even like resurrection of the Daleks, I think he comes
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  across mostly in 21. I think the snake dance he does
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  as well. I think part of her shock he
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  does but yeah I know it's not a popular opinion but you know,
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  I'm not keen on Davison's. Very naturalistic doctor.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I mean it is.
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  Was needed at the time after Tom Baker because you don't want to
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  have someone who you can compare to him.
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  I do I do I do. He's just so likable which might
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  not be, you know, might not be what you want from a doctor.
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  But particularly in this story there's a real freshness and
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  charm and Charisma that he's doing.
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  I think he's I think he's very good in this while.
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  He's very jolly fine line between likeable one Bland.
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  Who likes planned people? Everyone I don't, I don't know.
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  It doesn't feel vast this shit, doesn't it?
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  Not because anyone else that way they're going off that way?
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  And that Corridor stretches right down there.
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  Feels, I mean, it doesn't feel like a small Studio.
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  No, it doesn't, it? It's it's, it's very well done,
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  isn't it? Yeah.
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  So and I like harmonics, manipulating them, by splitting
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  them up and send them off in different directions, which is
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  kind of, yeah, possibly on subtly.
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  The To doing that and inspect them all up.
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  Yeah. Anyway so back to the plot.
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  Yeah yeah yeah. It slows.
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  You need explaining Joe. What all of it basically.
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  Yeah. So why do they call those plants
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  there for are just for him? Yes.
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  He's your biological entity was there.
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  Yep. That's right.
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  So they have are although they didn't have air in the opening
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  scene but I suppose they just pump it into the room that he's
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  in and it all gets refreshed through that rooms that all make
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  sense. So I'm now we're in the
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  recreational or a lot of lovely culture.
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  Yeah. Just like those blue PR cultural
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  moments. It's all a bit dull.
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  Hey look look at that man there he's got trainers on.
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  Can you say he's supposed to be a Greek?
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  And he's got a pair of sneakers on and that is exactly the sort
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  of thing I never spot when I watch these things.
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  So I usually wrapped up was going on.
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  I was in a discontinuity guy. That's how I know.
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  Yes. Well, they are.
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  No, they haven't actually been back to Earth lately.
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  So they wouldn't know what trainers were.
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  Never mind. Now, I think the actor just had
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  his trainers on and they thought they were going to be out of
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  shot. Yeah, I think that the director
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  also kind of loses interest in the recreational because we just
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  like we have a few seconds of recreational.
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  Then we got to these scenes, were having a chat up on the
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  nice chairs. Very nice chairs.
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  I think there's a lost interest in the first few seconds of this
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  in my life. He was a terrible giggler.
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  He barely kept it together and every single scene.
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  Well, he's got a secret plot to take over the show, later on
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  steal the show from our underneath everyone, and he's
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  got some amazing dialogue coming up but us a little way off yet,
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  but if she's fabulous on the behind us because she just gives
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  you all the dirt, right? Yeah.
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  And she says, Oh Shelly and the fellow who plays Professor Hey,
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  sir in time fly and they're both such serious characters and
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  apparently he was called sing all the time as well.
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  I always laughing his head off. Yeah Nigel stock from Paul hate
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  Fridays from time flight nitrous oxide.
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  Again another really well-respected.
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  Well excellent actor who waited in that moment.
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  I'm now you just want to man. When he died, I cheered at sake
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  of lighting as well. Well, this is actually I mean
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  it's obvious probably the same set as one of the previous ones.
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  But what's clear about this is that it is massively overly,
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  it's for the god stuff and that gives it a different feel of
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  different. Your standard 80s who lighting
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  here in this story is a stark contrast to all the great lying
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  everywhere else. But in stories like Warriors of
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  the deep, this is every set. Yeah, it's super ultra bright.
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  I think it really. I think it looks pretty good, I
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  think. It's a nice effort.
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  There's a probabilistic identity.
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  Steve. Yeah.
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  Well, you see, I've had this on camera so many people now.
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  Do you think that's overlit if you like think Doctor, Who
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  magazine probably mentioned, it was over it once.
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  And that opinion is bounced around everyone.
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  It depends what you're trying to achieve because you could do
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  some very good frightening monsters in an overly
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  environment because you can see What's going on, but it might
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  have been more effective if they were creeping around in the
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  shadows because it covers up any flaws in the monster design.
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  You might have like the fact that it's still been hoping the
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  Merkur. You know these these Chinese
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  dragons coming out now. Yeah, they genuinely giant e
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  says were from the local Chinese Takeaway here.
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  No, no, seriously got on me because they knew how to do this
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  dogs. Well, yeah, why not make use of
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  make use of what's around? You, have you ever seen?
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  Have you ever seen a proper Chinese Dragon Dance 9?
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  We we were lucky enough, I was in New Zealand in Auckland round
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  about the time of the Chinese New Year and you see Chinese
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  dragon dances on TV and they're sort of a bit they're sort of
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  it's not that exciting but when you see one actually doing it
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  the people inside it's it's really really cool.
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  It's so fucking brilliant. You You just don't get the feel
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  of it and the rhythm of it, when you're watching it on TV, I
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  don't think it comes across but it was, it was amazing.
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  Well, well recommended, did you see that symbol?
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  That was behind payday? Was that has text symbol, you
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  see? I will.
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  Yeah. It looks like it doesn't it
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  looks like one of the ones rips off our, I like this line as
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  well. They have lungs.
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  Let them remember that know you love.
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  I agree with Peter Davison that I think that's where the gold
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  was in this seasoned. And I love the scenes between
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  Nyssa and the doctor in the visitation.
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  Especially that's funny because I don't think mr.
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  Is the strongest character in this story by any means.
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  And I behave Tegan. I think, well, I think she can
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  give a very stilted delivery at Key moments.
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  But do you think she's got she's got some fabulous big finishes
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  with Davison. Yeah, plus years later, you
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  know, this is where are them now.
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  Big finish is the future, but I love their crappy keyboard to
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  where he pushes her and then add your choice to get all Bush.
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  He's like, don't you do that to her stop?
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  Fiddling around with my lovely 80s Holograms go away.
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  There's a billion episode 1 where she gets taken away and he
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  says some the knock knock, I can't say it now, they're not to
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  God. He goes So when I said, where is
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  she? He trusted coach.
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  He's got to do his bit to defend the weak and innocent women who
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  don't have brains to do. Maths, doesn't they Wasp?
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  That's his words, don't wanna tell you what, right?
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  Matthew Waterhouse matured into a very strong actor because I've
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  heard him give performances will be finished and he's incredibly
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  good. Now that is it over.
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  I kind of think he had dogs who at the wrong time Hi, he does.
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  He does have trouble walking across the set.
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  Convincing sometimes. Yeah.
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  And I always find a sure sign of a nervous actor is one whose
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  hands are in his pockets. All the time, Matthew White
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  House has it all. Peter Davison hands are glued
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  into his pockets after that. It's not so much in this story
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  but later on like, throughout the rest of the time, he just
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  doesn't know what to do is handsome.
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  It always in his pockets, aren't they?
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  What's happened to take his neck?
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  Well love bites, look at it, they're doing We're going to
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  pretend we're watching the recreational whilst we're having
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  a Sinister conversation acting. Well they should be Bangles that
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  because obviously nobody's watching the recreational
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  interest. You know.
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  Do you think this gladiatorial fight is a bit like how it looks
• 22:24
  in the mythmakers? I oh I'd love to see the
• 22:28
  mythmakers, I'd love to know, I'd love to know, I think the
• 22:32
  myth makers, the big make a big thing out of them having a fight
• 22:35
  and then stopping to talk for five minutes while they deliver
• 22:38
  the next sword blow and say, Great, they are and so on and
• 22:41
  I'll God I just love to see that story.
• 22:42
  So he is there a doctor in the horse?
• 22:47
  We don't know. We haven't seen it, it doesn't
• 22:48
  exist. There's no telescopes or
• 22:50
  anything. I'm gonna be honest with you.
• 22:52
  Now this ain't got a lot of pace to it as it like it is very
• 22:56
  slow. You just you just an adrenaline
• 23:00
  junkie Joe. That's what you are.
• 23:02
  But like you skip forward, a few stories nerve sharks moving at a
• 23:05
  fair I'll be like, isn't it throughout?
• 23:09
  Are we We're going along corridors.
• 23:10
  Look now we're going down, small stairs.
• 23:13
  We're watching a bit of blue Peter, you know?
• 23:15
  Like it's I mean in terms of like suspense and drama and pace
• 23:22
  Is it happening? Well, they spend a lot of time
• 23:25
  in Earth shock wondering about corridors and going up and down
• 23:28
  stairs, you know, it's the same kind of cold fingers through the
• 23:32
  eyes. Hey, the camera is moving, Joe.
• 23:38
  Look at that. Oh, that's good luck till
• 23:40
  episode series remembered Idris Elba glowing.
• 23:43
  Red hole. Would he stick his finger in?
• 23:44
  What is that? It's a reactor of some kind, I
• 23:52
  do feel like Terrence doesn't. He is literally.
• 23:54
  Yeah, it's a written down all these great ideas.
• 23:57
  So right, I'm going to put them all in this Creek, every single
• 23:59
  one of them, you know, something, I'll stick the joy of
• 24:03
  this story is the exploration and the Mystery.
• 24:07
  You don't necessarily get that after.
• 24:10
  If, you know, the story or roughly what goes on in it
• 24:12
  before you see it, then you don't get that so much.
• 24:15
  There's a lot of stuff. What was going on with this
• 24:17
  blank Stakes? What are the stakes?
• 24:21
  The stakes are the future of the human race.
• 24:24
  You know, we don't disturb, you don't owe me anything.
• 24:27
  We don't get to know any of those people that are in danger.
• 24:30
  So why don't ya? I'm looking old slack because we
• 24:33
  just had T good acting realistically to a murder that
• 24:38
  she's just witnessed, which you've see so rarely on Doctor
• 24:41
  Who because normally they just take it all in their stride and
• 24:43
  how Iran has recently been killed.
• 24:45
  So yeah, so she's in a bit of a bad place but you know, but I
• 24:49
  think by the visitation She's battering at are elliptical to
• 24:53
  death. I'd buy Earth shock.
• 24:55
  She's gladly picking up a gun and murdering a Cyberman.
• 24:58
  So, you know, she gets over it. Did you see those people?
• 25:01
  Coming out, dolls in there? Yeah, into that.
• 25:03
  See, that's how I dance ball. I'll tell you what he did.
• 25:11
  He's pretty Adept with his pencil, isn't he?
• 25:14
  You've got to be Adept with your pencil.
• 25:16
  If you're gonna survive in the year 1983, what year we do want?
• 25:22
  You know, what folks doing today is?
• 25:23
  Thank you for to Doomsday is Series 6 of new series and I
• 25:28
  should tell you for why, because they're pretty shocking
• 25:31
  episodes, but very often got really good Cliffhangers.
• 25:36
  But that is not the strongest argument person I've ever heard
• 25:43
  in my life to be honest. You have a podcast slightly
• 25:49
  tenuous. Yeah, but if you if you don't
• 25:52
  know he's a robot and you think he's a human at this time?
• 25:54
  You think that sauce? Pretty impressive?
• 25:56
  Healing machine that I like that's quite a nice bit of
• 25:58
  Machinery as well with a big glass thing that slides down.
• 26:01
  Yes. So what could and we're just
• 26:03
  exploring the world, he's healed.
• 26:05
  There is a sealed. Yeah, and it's just it's just
• 26:09
  fun to just like enjoy finding out about these people and
• 26:14
  finding out what's going on in the ship and the mystery.
• 26:17
  And I just keep saying that repeatedly until I think, I
• 26:20
  think like The ideas that are presented?
• 26:26
  Yeah, the ideas are presented but they aren't explored.
• 26:32
  What level of exploration would you?
• 26:34
  Like? I would like say I don't know
• 26:37
  the idea of the Androids. Yeah.
• 26:40
  And then, let's go into that one idea in a lot of depth about
• 26:43
  identity the psychology of it, you know.
• 26:48
  Like just knew that my mind you they do that in Resurrection of
• 26:51
  the Daleks like they were Rodney abused.
• 26:53
  We know that turns out, I think. Okay.
• 26:56
  So this bit I think they do expect, well, they don't explore
• 26:59
  it fully in the script but there's that's sad.
• 27:01
  They said, by God's voice when he tells them, when he shows
• 27:04
  that what he is. And he says, this compound isn't
• 27:08
  me. That's this is me.
• 27:10
  And it's something that is really good.
• 27:12
  Isn't that clever use of CSO? I think that's really.
• 27:16
  It's, yeah, it works a lot because it's on the screen so
• 27:19
  briefly and you just get the flash of the effect.
• 27:22
  And I just think he sounds a bit bored.
• 27:24
  A little. This is me.
• 27:26
  Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's a, two and a half thousand year old
• 27:31
  Athenian. Whose body has been taken away
• 27:33
  and replaced robotics. I think he gives exactly the
• 27:37
  right performance for that. Kind of character, I love it.
• 27:41
  The two and a half thousand year old.
• 27:42
  If he, you know, he's, he's a robot.
• 27:45
  He's well, there's a difference there because he was a human who
• 27:50
  has been turned into a robot was become a robot.
• 27:56
  So I don't, yeah, I get, I don't know quite how it works.
• 27:58
  It's science fiction whatever. I'll bloody battle by.
• 28:01
  This you know, although think Tara's Dudley knew a lot of
• 28:08
  people baffled by things that don't matter.
• 28:10
  What matters is that he's he's because this is what he's become
• 28:14
  and he's kind of sad about it and he's got that weariness to
• 28:18
  him which I think is really good and he's the only one who's
• 28:21
  free-thinking against Maddux plans, which I love as well.
• 28:24
  Think about like the best Doctor Who stories that I've done.
• 28:26
  Like possession stories. Yeah.
• 28:29
  Where you've had people Straight Like That.
• 28:30
  I Know I Can space. Us with Noah and and it's a
• 28:33
  genuine character drama about someone who's being taken over
• 28:37
  and the going through this horrific thing and like this
• 28:41
  could, this could have been that, you know, you could have
• 28:44
  had that level of like psychological ways.
• 28:45
  Instead know it's just like shows the circuit and then he's
• 28:49
  just everyone's mate busy. May, you know, it's not one of
• 28:52
  those possessions stories joke is better than that.
• 28:55
  It's better than that. It's for to Doomsday.
• 28:58
  Yeah. V a bloody nonsense on telly.
• 29:02
  I'll tell you what. All right.
• 29:03
  Well, that's all here. This morning.
• 29:05
  So free, shall we? Yeah, we gonna do with this.
• 29:07
  Let's just carry on going nowhere with an argument.
• 29:10
  This goes round in circles. It's mental other key.
• 29:13
  Joe mental Anarchy.