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Episode 190 | Peace Lord · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you, the Ball House woke your twin.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Tonight we're going to have some fun.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: I just feel it's a party the way we used to when we was young.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: Just put on something sexy.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: To party the way we used to when we was young, just put on something sexy tonight the black man feeling to party.
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: Welcome to Episode 190 of the Corey Shepard Podcast.
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: Welcome to all the new listeners.
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: This is the kind of tune that is end podcast with it, but I'm in a mood.
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: It's also not the kind of tune you could stop right.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: So for all the people who say there's not enough music last week, guess what's going to happen now For that.
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: Tonight we have no time, we go deal with that tomorrow.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: Tonight we going out and line.
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: We go to a little soca, we go to a little grind, we go to a little bop bop and show them young selves how to wine.
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: Tonight we rock and black man feeling the party Tonight, the black man feeling the jam, jam, jam, jam, jam.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: Tonight, the black man just feel the boogie woogie.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: Come on, come on, hold on to your mark.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: And let me do, and let me do, and let me do a little.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: If you're wondering where this song come from, right, we're celebrating World Steel Band Day.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: And if you're wondering what it's had to do with steel bands, stay tuned day.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: And if you're wondering what it's how to do it Steel Band stay tuned.
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: Remember when we was coating, Coating and like painting.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: Before we had this family.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Joey played Two people shot up, there was we.
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: Well, you know who's Joey.
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: But since we start having children To make them strong, we give dance up.
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: So come night to night, my darling, we turn it back.
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: The hands of the equal.
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: For all the pan enthusiasts and all the pan historians, one thing I tell you when it comes to planning an episode with pan right Excuse my minute, the black star in the great late, great Leroy Collins I'm not so sure if it's late or not, it's just great.
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: But the pan people you could make a mistake with Kaiso.
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: You could plan out what you have to say about that and make a little mistake.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: You could make a mistake with the news and call a wrong name and things like that.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm used to doing and research enough and clean that up next week.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: But let me tell you something when you're talking to these Pan people, you have to come correct.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know why people who interpan has such good memory.
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe because all of them is play I wrote, you know.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, they remember the notes and they say too much.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: A pan man can't read too much of music back in the day, you know.
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: So they've gone, they remember.
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: So because of that, the memory must be good.
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: But black man feeling to party played by renegades in the year 2023.
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: 2023, it wasn't in the year it came out, it went, went panorama, but arranged by Durant Stort in 2023.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: This is when, after the years where it free up and you couldn't play any song, right, I guess men fall short of pan tune to play, so they decide they go play songs from any era.
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: So this is as recent as 2023.
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: Black man feeling the party.
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no Time, time, time, History.
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: So the music this episode will be Panorama winners.
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: I have quite a few of them.
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: It's hard to choose and I don't want to call it like the greatest songs that win Panorama over the years.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: I would just call it some of my favorite songs that win Panorama over the years.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: I could do that.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: I could do that without anybody being overly upset with me, so I could come here and play dozens and dozens and dozens of Pan Tunes.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: Right, because it was a Pan episode, it had some names that you expect to hear.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: Right, you expect to hear a whole lot of DeFostos, a whole lot of Kitchener.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: I had some of them lined up, you know, but I wanted to know that I also have some of these lined up.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, tell them I'm feeling good, like a new machine Like money, view Fresh and be seen.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: A little party To the full extreme, a light it up With just a little.
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: Hold on the city, put fun down, reach up and steal.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: Reach up and steal the building, put fun down.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: We jamming, still we jamming, still the building.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: Put fun down.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: We jamming, still we jamming.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Just hold them and walk them.
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: Hold them and walk them Now we don't dismiss all of your problems.
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: Just hold them and walk them.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: Hold them and walk them.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: Hold them and walk them.
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: Hold them and walk them.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: Now we do business.
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: Hold up, now we do business.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: We get out like we do business.
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: We get out like we do business, free up, like we do business, free up, like we do business.
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: Hold up, now we do business.
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: Hold up, now we do business.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: Recession, the border we Promote, upset and you will see we can party To the full extreme and light it up With kerosene.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: Hold on the treasury To pungo.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: We jump in.
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: Still, we jumpming, still we jamming.
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: Still Economy could fall down.
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: We jamming, still we jamming.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: Just hold them and walk them.
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: Just hold them and walk them, hold them and walk them, hold them and walk them, hold them and walk them.
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: I wonder if Ultimate Rejects know what walk them mean these days.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: I mean salute, salute, salute, salute, salute.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, we're here, we're here.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: We're here.
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: We're celebrating International Steel Band Day.
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: Let me read from the news day here straight out the gate right, news day say grand festivities for World Steel Pan Day.
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: And I want to apologize in advance.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: Right, for all the again the pan people.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: They're serious about life.
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: Right, playing whole pan arrangements that last in 75 minutes on the podcast doesn't make for the best set of listening.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out there as to why I'm playing the record versions of these songs and not the pan versions, right, it's only excuse me, forgive me, forgive me, pardon me, whatever excuse I have to ask for accent for it.
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: I'm playing the records of these songs.
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm playing the record, you know, I mean the pan songs.
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: And I want to say as well that if you had to depend on the recorded pan songs that is, studio quality to play, in some trouble too if you play the youtube live version of those songs, that are great again.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: Again, apologies, but I just got to stick to my favorite, so it's just my favorite pan songs, right?
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: So, in case you're wondering, with all that, hold them and walk them easily.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: One of the biggest songs that ever passed through a carnival, right?
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: But for some reason, people seem to forget that these men sweep everything they hear.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: They win Young Kings, they win Soca Monarch, they monarch.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: They win groovy.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: So I don't know I can't remember exactly what it was, but I know they win the um.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: I know they won the road match, as well as soccer monarch, if I'm not mistaken, 2017 other soccer monarch, but they definitely win panorama played by all stars, arranged by leon smooth edwards in the year 2017.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: So I just gained a few of my favorite selections that were played over the years for the panorama.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: If Oli don't mind, right, if Oli don't mind, I will play some up-to-date ones, but you know you're going to get all 1960-something in the mix, right, because how are we going to do it without that?
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: But it's officially declared by the UN on July 24, 2023, which we celebrated here last year, so I can't let it pass and not do nothing with it.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: Trinidad and Tobago's national instrument will be celebrated under the theme From Roots to Recognition Steelpan's Journey to Global Acclaim.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: And it's important that while we fight for the national steel or the world's steelpan day or the work was done for us to get that kind of recognition, we must do the work to ensure that the Mecca of Steel Pan, the one and only originators of Steel Pan, creators, inventors you know what I mean we have to make sure that we have the signature celebration procession, recognition, whatever it is.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: We must never let that drop.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: We mustn't let nobody else, anybody who wants to do anything, pan must come here for World Steel Pan Day.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: And again, another opportunity for me.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: You know I always come in and talk about the revenue and the opportunities that Carnival creates as a business in Trinidad and Tobago, right, this World Steel Pan Day could well become another one of those festivals that we get carnival-like numbers coming into the country to spend US-like dollars, right, or wherever dollars only come from.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: Again, making this.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if this will evolve into competitions like Panorama, but it's certainly a space where we could get people to travel and bring their pan side from all about and recognize, not just from roots to recognition, but sometimes we could um, we could.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: We could recognize things like how far the steel pan reach, to bring steel pan from japan and sweden and switzerland and australia, we could have the olympics of steel pan right, it's just a sort right.
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: So starting at noon, today's activities will for will are written in past tense, right.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: Starting at noon, the day's activities featured uh will feature a grand procession from the called the ancestral walk at the birthplace of the steel pan in east port of spain.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: The day's festivities will move through the streets and feature performances from 11 single bands from various regions throughout trinidad and Tobago.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: The bands expected to play Spree Simon Harmonics.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: Unistar Steel Orchestra.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: Nostron Symphony Steel Orchestra.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: La Famil United.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: La Famil United Steel Orchestra.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: Chordmasters.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: San Juan East Chordmasters, not from La Ventura.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: Sour East, sour East Side Symphony Steel Orchestra.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: Sour All-Star.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is sour, sour, all-star Steel Orchestra.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: Sour All Stars, sour All Stars Steel Orchestra.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Pan Elite Steel Orchestra, La Romaine, super Vibe Steel Orchestra, jarud Steel Band and the Pan Angel Steel Orchestra.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: I'm a reading song.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: At 5pm, the final event will be headed to Woodford Square.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: The festival will welcome pan enthusiasts from around the world and video performances from international countries.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: We get the video performances from international countries.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: All right, you, fellas, are ahead of me.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: We get the video performances from international countries.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: Next time I want us to welcome international countries here.
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: Let them bring their pants high.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: That is the kind of tourism we need.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: If man could travel and make a day with javelin shot.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: Put all them thing have to go on plane.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know why all these steel pants and them can't go on the plane and we make it into our day.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: Them care go on the plane and we make it into our day.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: Pantran bego, in a media release, said this international participation will enrich the festival, highlighting the steel pans global significance and fostering connections between local and international pan communities.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Pantran bego anticipates the presence of prime minister and tourism, culture, arts and culture and arts minister randall mitchell uh, at various events through oh the one the prime minister and randall mitchell uh, at various events through oh the only prime minister.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: And randall mitchell got you.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: A formal segment will be held with ministers and other high-ranking officials who have been invited to join the celebrations, and so on and so on and so on.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: So all who went, thanks for going.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: I remember my mom said she was gonna go on thing.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: I know she went, you know.
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm going to talk to her before I record, but we here I could.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you now I'm.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I'm back in town and I did promise to go some events but I let it give me time.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Rain was falling.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: I think I will get closer to it.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: They said that they will have performances, or they had performances, by national steel symphony orchestra, panasonic connection steel orchestra that is one person massey trinidad steel orchestra, bp renegade steel orchestra, pan elders steel orchestra, shell invaders steel orchestra, republic bank exodus and desperado.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Massey Trinidad Steel Orchestra, bp Renegades Steel Orchestra, pan Elders Steel Orchestra, shell Invaders Steel Orchestra, republic Bank Exodus and Desperados.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I will call myself a very casual supporter of Pan.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: I will say that Desperados is my favorite Pan side.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: I've always been in love with Desperados.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I like Desperados a long time and what makes me really with Desperados I liked Desperados a long time and what makes me really like Desperados is my cousin Wayne Ian Barney, shepard Bab.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: He's the man I grew up with, my cousin who liked Pan.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: He was a lover of Pan in the household and made me start to understand the intricacies them days when I was listening to Pan Small.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: It just sounded like noise.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: I couldn't tell the different types of instruments apart and I couldn't.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I couldn't.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: It was too much what they call the thing, syncopation, and too much of harmonication and I just couldn't understand it.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: But he make me start to appreciate pan music and one of the things that I started appreciating more was classical versions of pan, a competition that he used to call pan in the 21st century.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: And when I listened to pan playing, I suppose for me in my untrained ear and let me call it immature ear and immature hearing what attracted me to it is the fact that it was played slower I guess classical music a a little slower, so you could take it in at a different pace than the tempo that would come with playing Soca or Calypso on Pan right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: And when I hear Desperados playing, that was something I fell in love with at the time.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: It's something that I guess a part of me never knew.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Pan could play all types of music, so I was enamored with that, that, and I fell in love with despot since back then.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: But in celebration and I tell ollie, I'm going back all the way right in celebration of international steel band day, I had to go back to the year that the panorama competition was started right, 1963.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Ole was doing it in 1963.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Nothing good for some, ole, who are listening to this podcast.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Nothing good was happening in 1963, but this was the first Panorama competition and it was won by North Stars and the song that was played by North Stars is a man by Sparrow.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: You know this fellow.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Now this is a tune you have to listen, right.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: You have to listen to the lyrics here, right.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Proper, proper, proper, kaiso.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: According to the education you get when you're small, you will grow up with true ambition and respect from one and all, but in my days in school they teach me like a fool.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: They think they teach me I should be a block-headed mule.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I'm far from it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: They tell me Pussy has finished his work long ago and now he's resting on tape.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: ¶¶.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: The goody loosey tail and the alley kid are fighting to make monkey liver soup, and Dan is the man in the van.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: The poems and the lessons they write and send from England Impress me.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: They were trying to cultivate comedians.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Comic books made no sense.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it is fictitious, without pretense.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Cartridge wanted to keep us in ignorance.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: They made essential business.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Humpty Dumpty, been fall.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Goosey, goosey gander, where shall I wander?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Ding dong, dell Goosey in the well.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: R-i-k-k-i-t-i-k-k-i-t-i-v-i, r-i-k-k-t-i-k-t-i-v-i in the world.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I said cartridge was plenty times more advanced than them scientists.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I am believed that no one man could write so much stupidness.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Aeroplanes didn't come so soon.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Scientists used to make degrading balloons.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Cartridge.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Make a cold jump over the moon.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: And then he tell them Tom, tom, the Piper's son, the Riding Balloon, the mouse ran up the floor.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: The lion and the mouse, a woman pushing a cow to eat grass on top of a horse, mama Dan is the man in the van.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's hear it, mama, how I happen to get some education.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: My friends, me and oh, all they teach me is about the rabbit and rum, pell Tisky.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: No, they wanted to keep me down.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Indeed, they tried their best but didn't succeed.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You see me head was done.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Seeing up to now I carried.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Who cares about Peter?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Peter was a punky neater.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Some little little people tied Gulliver.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: When I was sick and lay a bed, I had two pillows at my head.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: The goose lay the golden egg the spider, catch a fly.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Maracoy with wings flopping in the sky.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: They beat me like a dog to learn that in school.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: If me head was bright I would be a damn fool With Dan.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Is the man in the van?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Can a pig dance a jig for?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: A fig Too early and twisty were two screws, mr Mike goes to school on a bike.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Down is the man the man.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Down is the man, the man.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And down is the man.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: The man Only knows cartridge.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: And Dan is the man in the van.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: First ever Panorama winner.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: He come first and second.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: That year, sparrow Cup Well, north Stars come first.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Sundowner beat Harry and Mama it's another Sparrow song.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: He come first and second.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: On Kitchener, right, there too, it hardly ever here where you go through the first three and Kitchener not in the first three.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I want to say that they also have years where Kitchener composition, kitchener song win first, second and third.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I have two to play for you.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: One way you win first, second and third, and one more love where you win first and second.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: But back to Sparrow and Cutridge, right, anybody remember Cutridge?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Because you see, sometimes the episode, this episode thing in this podcast, is like a pendulum.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It has to swing from side to side, right, you see, when you play so much of Cartel last week, you know when you come back this week it could be.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Dan is the man in the van.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: We got to keep the balance.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Cartridge is the man who writes a book that some of us might know well, some better than others, by the name of West Indian Reader.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Anybody remember write a book that some of us might know well, some better than others, by the name of west indian reader?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Anybody remember the west indian reader?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: What color the book was?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: People might remember these things, you know.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I trying to to understand now if, what, what age that cut off, because I remember when I was going to school I had to carry a west indian reader to school right along with a student companion and all these things, and while, while Sparrow knocked it, west Indian reader responsible for plenty of our education, and that's what this song was about.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Again, the calypso so pointed to the times.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It in right that the man basically making a complaint to say, hey, all the foreign mind in me with this Dan is the man in the van.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: They're teaching nonsense in this book.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And one of the things I always wondered about, like the whole school education thing, right, was that?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, the idea of a west indian reader and we, we, we, we reading a lot of stories that not particularly with winking, blinking and nod, still have, and I wouldn't stoop me no was no stoop and all them kind of thing winking, blinking and not another.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: When you hear these things that they teach us, you wonder how come we don't respect our own poets, our own authors.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: It take me till almost midway through fatima to hear about a man named samuel selvon, like how come they wasn't using our own thing, like our own authors, and just just so that we, just so that we tell our own stories.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Salute the brook, brooklyn Caribbean Literary Festival, salute Marsha and the squad over there.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: We're putting it at the forefront where we must know our own stories.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I only know my regular complaints about things like English literature, which too much are henceforth and whereforeth and whoforeth and whocomeforth.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Well, olympics are whocomeforth.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I mean that was not inspiring in any way.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: It.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I suppose it do the trick in terms of us.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I mean we turn out all right.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Right, regardless of what you want to say, we turn out kind of okay in life.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: But I just feel, as if, well, and this generation will change things, that these youths, now they have a better way of looking at things and at least some of us who in this space.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Here we're equally transition space, right, and even I mean between, like anywhere between 35 and late 40s, 50s, you any space that had a bridging gap between generations.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: But I think we're running our leg to make sure that our own stories are told you know what I mean so that we pass it on to these youths who might have never seen a West Indian reader and they can't connect the dots between the two.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you can't throw the baby with the bathwater to her, but Dan is the man in the van.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You can't go wrong with that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You can't go wrong with that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So one of the complaints I saw coming out of the World Steel Pan Day was from Dominic Kalipasad.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Dominic Kalipasad is somebody you would know that I respect a lot.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I think he does a lot for the image of the media in Trinidad and Tobago, the image of social media in Trinidad.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: He's still on I-95.5 on a morning.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: The coup now passed there and we'll all remember the role he played in the coup and for him to have such an instrumental role up to today, and no place more, for our generation at least, than the things he does on Instagram and on social media, where I mean on a weekly basis, he posts just random things about the history of trinidad and tobago and things that some of us might know, some might know, but he keeping us at the forefront and he always had to remember it's our people who now born and people who I know, open so they know again this information, including me, and he provides a platform where you could just learn about that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: If you ask him questions in the comments he will respond and that type of thing too.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: So as for somebody who lived through it and he provided education and shining light on things that he would not even live through here, the meetings would be long before dominic kalipasad, but it is commendable of him to to pick up that space.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So when he speaks we had to listen right, and one of the things that he was saying this is my words now, right, he basically saying that we french creole and up the whole pan celebration, he say world steel band day and he found that there was not enough done in his celebrations to pay homage to where the steel pan came from.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And he said the steel pan movement was a grassroots movement.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: But the, the, um, the, but the celebration of it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Looking little French girl.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: There's some of that I agree with and some of it I don't agree with.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Right, because I have a difficulty with holding on to things too tight.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: If the grassroots create something and the grassroots try to hold on to the thing and not spread it, it is limiting the growth or stifling the growth of the thing.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: So I think we must always see steel pan as a trinbegonian thing and a west indian thing and a world thing.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean I always make the complaint that you pick up a guitar, the venezuela make a quatra.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Any quatra you pick up, any way you could play any.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Any guitar you pick up is a standard way to string a guitar and to tune a guitar.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: And we're struggling a lot with the standardization of steel pan, both from the standpoint of how it laid out and how you play it, how it's manufactured.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And we only recently making the moves, or have made the moves, to make steel pan the official national instrument of trinidad and tobago, which we must commend.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: We had to commend that right but we also had to ask like how come we know that I I would have grew up when I was reading my sydney and reading student companion, I thought steel pie was the national instrument of trinidad and tobago.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that that was unofficial or it was.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: It was wrong.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: You know I mean, I didn't know that that was unofficial or it was wrong.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't know this at all.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: So there's so much work to be done with Steelpan that the innovators or the inventors or the grassroots so to get the work done you need to bring in everybody.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: It had to be a collective effort.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And so I agree with Dominic Kalipasad, especially because this is really the first celebration.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: We get the day approved last time, so we call it the second day right.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Inaugural will be last year, this year, so they were building it up as a celebration and I'm sure, like I treat this I always try to treat when I record here like I always remind myself, I say, corey, there's one episode of 10,000.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: You can't talk about everything in this episode.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You can't talk about nothing in this episode.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You just have to find the right balance, power the product and take the feedback and move on right.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: So if we look at this World Steel Band Day celebration as one of the 10,000 to come, we might realize that there's a whole grassroots celebration that is to come.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: So it can't be that every year we do World Steelband Day.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: All we do is celebrate the originators and the founders.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: We must celebrate where it has grown to, where it has come from, the sponsors, who was involved in it, government officials.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I think at some point we have to stop trying to pretend that steelband is not badness too.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: We had to celebrate the doctor rats, rats at the mother's pool, who was bad men, because without bad men and your rivalry associated with steel band and all the cutlass and the bottle and them things, steel band would not be where it is today.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Think of all the bad things you went through in life and quote, unquote bad things you went through in life.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Them things make you as successful as you are today to do all the things you're doing now and to show up the way you're showing up in the world today.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: So I think, as much as we have a world steel band there, we must celebrate all aspects of the pan.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: And a part of the aspect of the pan where I disagree with the great Mr Khalifa Saad a little bit is where the French Creole in his part upon too, because separated by and I want to be clear that he did not say french creole in.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Right, let me.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Let me find what he might say, because I butchered up the man words here and might be putting words in his mouth.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Uh, the thing, is it recorded?
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And I can't listen to all that he said.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: No, I think I saw it flashing across instagram at some point.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: He was basically saying that it's not looking rooty, it's not looking like the grassroots, it's looking like the sort of upper echelons.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Again, uh, they are the center of the pan celebration, but I say that they deserve to be there.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: They've run their race, they've made their contributions because, even if they never hammer out a pan, they certainly support pan, whether it's true just going to panorama, helping push pan on the drag being a part of it, it's carrying on these stories, documenting anything.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: There's so much that it takes to make something into industry or make a culture that it it's not.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It's not easy to just say, okay, these are the originators and they are the ones who must be recognized.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: That all time I talk about recognition, I did see as well that, uh, before I get, before I get to what to see.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited about playing this one right.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: This is the one I was telling you, this is the song I was telling you about that, lord kitchen, and I want you to understand how difficult this is to do.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: In the year 1975, hatters, funclair and tokyo all three of them play the same song.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Hatters was arranged by steve chiber, funclair, uh was arranged by uh rudin and milton austin, and tokyo was arranged by jared belly, charles right, right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Hatters, fonclair, tokio.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: One year, all them men play the same song and run one, two, three in panorama.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And that speaks to.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: That is one of the feats that show you that he's one of the greatest.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: He's one of the greatest composers for steel band.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: This fellow they call the Lord Kitchener right, one of the greatest of all time, and, coincidentally, according to Mr Kalipasad, is dedicated to one of the creators or one of the originators or inventors of Steelpan.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: One, two, three.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: What we had to do is get steel pan in the Olympics and we can first go break dance.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: But, my friend, you won't understand.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Has it ever dawned on you who in Bendipan?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I ask you to join me in offering tribute to this man, ogon.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Everybody's wondering about his steel panzer.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: You like to know?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: When you get to know it, it's gonna break your heart.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I tell you now.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It's founded by one, winston Spree, and this is how he started his first melody.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: A blessed day in 1939, the genius said he recalled to mind, held on to an old oil drum, beating it with scorn, just a form of skylarking.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: And there it was was the steel bang was born.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Everybody wondering how far this steel band start when you get to know when it's gonna break your heart, I tell you now.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It's founded by one winston spree and this is how he started his.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: He started the first melody.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: He went along, beat it low by low.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: He thought it song like a piano.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: This really inspired him to a great extent.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So he continued pounding until he formed his new instrument.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Everybody wondering how far this theme might start.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You like to know when you get to know it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: It's gonna break your heart, I tell you now.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It's funded by Juan Winston Spring and this is how he started his first melody.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: So, for the sake of Mr Kalipasad, we are recognizing the founders, right, but Mr Kalipasad was recognized in his own way.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I see here veteran journalist Dominic Calipasad receives a National Service Award from the Minister of Youth Development and National Service, foster commons, for his continuous efforts and dedication to TNT I'd left, women and secretaries and so on.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Calipasad gets National Service Award, Veteran journalist.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: At the inaugural award ceremony hosted by the Ministry of Youth, youth.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, right, all hell breaking loose in these podcast recordings now, because I cannot see how much time passed and I also cannot see where I make mistake to go back and edit.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: So it is what it is.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: At the inaugural award ceremony hosted by the ministry of youth, development and national service at the sapper on july 30th, kalipasad was recognized for his ongoing contributions to our country, people and youth.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: My dns national service award scheme honors individuals and organizations that excel in their efforts to serve their communities or country.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: So salute to foster commons for being, for recognizing the great one, salute to the ministry of that long name.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: That the ministry is my DNS Ministry of Youth, development and National Service.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: And congratulations to Mr Dominic Kalipasad.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And if you were to take a stroll over to his instagram, right, look at the comments and look how well received it is and and, and the fact that everybody finds it to be deserving.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Well, if you, if you really had time like me to to macko and them kind of thing, or were you to take a little time to go and look at the age groups, like, click on people profile picture and try to guess the age, and you would notice that his following had to be one of the broadest in Trinidad and Tobago, from the very, very young school-aged children to the very, very old, old, old school-aged adults, right, the very old school.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: And it's because he engaged in a very fun, short way, the one thing I want to ask Mr Kalipasad to do, right, and I know he has plenty to ask of a man the more you do, the more people ask you to do it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I don't kind of thanks in this way, you know, but you know what would be great, because he's on radio, on I-95.5.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And I keep saying this, I promise, I keep making right that I want to reach out to radio stations like 95.5 on them and pro bono.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Just turn their episodes into podcasts, because it's easy if I, it's hard if I just get a record and I could chop that up and take all the ads or put in whoever ads they want and so that we could listen to some of them, things on demand.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: So anybody know, anybody all that I help me to.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: You know I'm busy and have plenty going on.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: So when I have these ideas I need a team.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I need a team to help me execute these things.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: But the people who have great radio programs John Wayne, benoit, dominic Calipasad and so on and so on and so on it would be so great to be able to go back and listen to God Bless His Soul Mbala, and to go back and listen to God Bless His Soul Gladiator, with the bacchanal itself, or even to go and archive some of the episodes that we hear from dale antonio.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Even blaze and jw you can't hear them together again at all, they're just disposable, that gone.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: It could.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: It would be nice to go back and listen to them kind of episodes.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: But again, salute to the ministry and salute to dominic calipasad for the work that he did, and I believe he's also a national awardee, right, and I have some national awards to talk about, you know, because beyond nipan and the kaiso and calypso and thing, two of my favorite artists, one in particular.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: We have got national awards from their country to one.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: We must recognize that.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: But in a sense of recognition and we done cover 75 already we must go to 76 and play what I believe to be, uh, one of one of one of, well, one of my favorite despots.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Despots had one panorama before.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Uh, but this, this, this had to be one of my favorite Despos.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Despos had one panorama before, but this had to be one of my favorite Despos arrangements and the way they played it and all that, but of course, arranged by the great Clive Bradley, 1976.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Who else you think would sing it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Well, the brass band will be wailing on the big day, while the steel band's harmonizing in their own way, as they play loud a single pattern and the large crowd is celebrating Ball in mass.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: this is part of class when the steel band plays what can even be.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Hear the rhythm, lovely rhythm make you feel to jump up, so you start to sway.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Then you break away.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: It's a feeling so exciting when you start you can't stop Ding-a-ling, ding-a-ling.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: That's when we drop the iron.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Do-do-do-do-do-do-do, Do-do-do-do-do-do-do, we raise our hearts and we jump and we sing in melody, Fun and harmony.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: If you pass by, Salvatore, you'll be mourning man.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: You hear about the Tindogiri?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: They ain't joking.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Their rendition is excellent, with a new form of arrangement.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Shake your waist, sweet pan in the place when you steal that thing on an evening day hear the rhythm lovely rhythm make you feel to jump up, so you start to sway.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Then you break away.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: It's a feeling so exciting.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: When you start, you can't stop Ding-a-ling, ding-a-ling-a-ling, that's the beat of the iron Ding-a-ling, ding-a-ling-a-ling, that's the beat of the iron Ba-di-ba-dum-dum-dum-dum, ba-di-ba-dum-dum-dum-dum.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: The rain falls and the sun is jumping, singing merrily.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Darling, I believe.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Ba-di-ba-dum-dum-dum-dum, ba-di-ba-d, all those distinctions for Bounty Killer and Beanie man in Jamaica.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: If we're talking awardees, let me talk awardees now, and we spent some time talking about Bounty Killer last visit to Trinidad and Tobago right which Trinidad and Tobago is embarrassing sometimes because I'm not understanding where we have this mentality.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to call it like.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I had the pleasure of doing a master's class in guyana right, the nation's university, so you're the university of the nations in uh market street, guyana right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Salute to them.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Been a while since I've been to guyana.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Like, call me back, I'm looking for any lecturing gigs I get.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: But one of the things I was interested in that class in guyana was discussing.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: The class was on globalization right, and when you're doing a globalization class and a business degree, a big part of the discussion is about what it takes to do business internationally right, and one of the issues with international business is, firstly, you need to get your product from here to there or you need to get your service from here to there right.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: To get your service from here to there right, so the bigger companies who operate like we talked about angostura last week and move into china.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing we would discuss in our class on internationalization or globalization, on one of them topics.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Right, because it may seem simple to just sell your products abroad.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: But keep in mind that when you you have to figure out how you're going to get there and they have many what you call modes of entry.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Right, so you could export your product to the country.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: You could form a joint venture with somebody in China and you and them make a company and they bring it in, because China may not be an easy country to export to because everybody had export laws.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: They might say certain level of alcohol can come in for a product.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: They might say well, we don't sell rum here at all for religious reasons.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Remember the Qatar Olympics?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: So several Qatar at Olympics.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: What do you call the thing in Qatar?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Can you work up right, so international business is a study in a in a most business degrees.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Because of these things and the, I will say that how you get your product to the country, as complicated as that could be and as expensive as that could be, that might be one of these simpler things, because that's where you call it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: It's like prescribed.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: You could go online and find out.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do I have to do.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: If I want to sell tolome in the states, I have to get fda approval, my packaging has to say that I put how much calories and thing and you send it there.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Right, that is hard work but it might be the easiest part.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Because what you don't understand is the culture in the states could affect how your products sell.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: The markets could affect how your products sell the incomes over there.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: The relative products like who's your competitors when you're going to sell to them over there, who you're going to compete with mars and snickers and these fellas.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Like where's your competitive set and how you're finding the people who are interested in your product, where you're doing market research over there so you could see where globalization is a.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: It could be a complicated project, uh, subject.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And if it complicated in class, I want to tell you in real life it's tough because imagine you're doing a service.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Now you want to be an international service provider, like you have a hairdressing company like um, my partner name joelle, friend I shouldn't say partner, my friend joelle.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: You want to make a regional hairdressing salon, like what bali's and they're able to do.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Or you want to take your gym and make it a regional gym, like what gold's gym is do, or you know, for services now we have a different thing, because service you can't send service for people you you know you can't export that, so you have to figure out a way to set up your business in that country, which may be difficult to do.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: It's not always straightforward.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: So when you go to talk about these things in our course, one of the things we talk about is regionalization, right, which is where countries, mostly who are geographically close to one another, right.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: So, for instance, north america and south america, usa, canada and all them countries in south and central america, they're on one continent, right?
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: So what you find is that people find ways to form regional agreements.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: So, if you watch out nafta, which is the northern north american free trade area if I hope I have some of this right, uh, that would be usa, canada and mexico, and then, for instance, us, here in the region, we have several different versions of regional bodies, right, uh, which the newest and most advanced version of it is csme, which is caribbean single market economy.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: But we would have started, just like with NAFTA, we started with CARIFTA, right, caribbean Free Trade Area.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: And the thing with the free trade area is that we, as the name suggests, is free trade.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: We should not have any restriction to trade between countries who sign to this agreement, right, the difference is, like a bilateral agreement is when two countries make an arrangement like that, but in a multilateral or regionalized block like Carifto, we just decide we go trade with one another.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Right, there are several steps or several advancements of regionalization or coming together.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Right, just call it coming together for now.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: So we come together for now.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: So we come.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: We come together for the benefit of each other and our free trade area is one.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: But then they have something called a common market.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Right, but on a common market, the difference in our free trade area and our common market, I believe, is that we still have the free trade with one another.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: So products not supposed to be stopped.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to charge no duties on a product and you're not supposed to stop it from coming in or have no quota and them kind of thing that say, well, they could only bring one car per person, all them things, quotas, right.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I believe the difference with a common market now is that we have that free trade but we also have what you call a common external tariff, meaning we don't charge one another nothing and we agree what you're charging people from the outside so that if we say it's 25 on electronics, anything coming into the country, it makes sense that everybody do the same thing, right?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Because western smart men.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And also what will happen if you don't have a common external charge is that if I say me and jamaica could trade free, right, and then I say I discharge 25% to people who bring in TV from outside of the region, if they bring it in from the States you have to pay 25%.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: If it come into Trinidad and Jamaica have a law that say any TV coming in here you have to pay about 200%.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you something I mistake I make one time I go in Jamaica and play like I order in TV.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I never see charges.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: So on a form, yet I could, it's better just buy the tv in jamaica.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: But if they have such a big gap, if jamaica charging 200 to bring in tv and trinidad and charging 25 where you think will happen, jamaicans go bring any tv to somebody in trinidad and then that free trade between trinidad and jamaica.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: So they go just bring it in trinidad and then they go send up the road.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I have friends in Uwe who make a big business out of this.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I have friends in Uwe who shall remain unnamed, who used to leave here when it only had B-Mobile and run up the islands and buy cheap phone in Grenada, st Vincent, st Lucia, guyana, anywhere they could find.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: They just sell and get cheap phone.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: They buy up all of them set of cheap phone.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: They buy up all them set a cheap phone and then they come here and they sell it.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: It could be mobile selling phone too there.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: It's expensive.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: So that idea, regionalization should, and it advances that they have a political union where we have one leader.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: They have an economic union where we have one dollar, and so on and so on, and so on.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: So the best example of a what you call a full political union is the states right, which is, as the name suggests.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: The best example of what we call a full political union is the states right, which is, as the name suggests, the United States of America.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Each state is on its own, but they have a federal government that's responsible for what happens across the United States.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: So this is why you might find that even in their politics they will discuss state laws separate from federal laws.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: The federal laws should supersede everything, but each state has their own way of behaving and acting, but you have one government, trump or kamala well, you see.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: So when I go guyana to talk about regionalization and to talk about business from that standpoint, a big part of it is international relations and how countries behave towards one another, and the feedback we get consistently from that class, which I agree with them on, is that trinidad is a difficult place to do business, because well, let me take the emotion out of it them feel trinidadian is look down on people and then they're like guineas and and let's get some of that same thing in barados, right, because I went Barbados one time.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: We're trying to be a regional business too.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: You know, we're trying to expand.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: So we got our opportunity to do some work in Barbados.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: We were already doing work in Jamaica, if I'm not mistaken.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: So of course, the answer is yes, we could do it, and we had a job to do for Sony Ericsson.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I think it was with Digicel and it was with digicel and um, it was some golf course they had in sandy lane in barbados.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I would tiger woods get married, right.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: So I trying to get this thing done.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Them days are young and high energy.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: So you had to figure it out.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: So we get all the promotional material, everything we need to get, you know them flag sale thing, like what digicel used to put up.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: We have some of that, all them things.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: And I pack up a bag to carry barbados now to do this promotion, and the bag's so heavy like I can't even find something that could fit it.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I end up buying a long, I think, a cricket or hockey bag or something like that.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I think it has no wheels, it's so heavy.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I'm dragging it through the airport with, with, with all the things upon any ground for them sale banner and pull up banner and all kind of nonsense to do the promotion.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Because we're trying to be an international business, right Again, not as simple as you might think.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: It's not like just driving to McCoy and putting up some sale thing and send the excellence and the promotion done and we get paid right.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: So I jump on the plane, throw my cricket bag under the plane-in, reach a barbados, bam.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: When time to pass through immigration is a hundred different questions about coming to work here and this and that, and I know work permit I go in on a visitor's visa like I'm plumpy boss, right, you know what I mean.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: So I don't understand the dynamics of it.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Whatever I have to say, I say and I get through.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Uh, when I?
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: And barbados is a place where it I, I say and I get through.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Barbados is a place where I find it tough to get through.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Right, if your story is not right in Barbados, then put it in a room and send it back on the next flight.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: It happened to me before when we had a seminar in Barbados.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I had to call try to call my father.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: He's in Barbados already.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: He's looking for me.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Can I come to help?
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Eventually, somebody came out.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Probably the same thing.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I might have to call somebody from Digicel to verify and all that I eventually get.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Grab my cricket bag now from the bag carousel thing, head to customs.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: When I go on customs, the man asking well, where are you coming from?
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I said well, I come to do a promotion.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I tell myself I'm inside.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: He inside.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: He say why you have in that bag.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I say, well, promotional banners, this, that, that, everything that I have a list of thoughts.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: He said I'd open up when he look.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: He said this is car parts.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Is there a car parts?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I said no, that's it.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: As I explained to you before, as stated in my last email, this is promotional banners and sales and this is the thing and the biggest event happening tomorrow on sandy lane.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I was like this is a sandy lane and this is the thing and the biggest event happening tomorrow on sandy lane.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I was like this is sandy lane tomorrow.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: This is for digicel.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: That that man said no, no, no, that's car parts, what the hell.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: But I didn't realize that they had issues with trinidadian car parts dealers or in or people from barbados coming here to buy car parts and carrying it back home.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't know this was an issue.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: So the man says car parts are to take it out, pull up every banner, bill up the sales.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I spent a couple hours, well, in customs just showing him that is not car parts and they still charge my pong and a krong and duties.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they classify it as, but I pay a good bit of money in duties.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Of course, I didn't anticipate any of that in the invoice that we send into the client, so I don't go back to the client now and tell them all right, cost overruns, right.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: So again, these are some of the and I talk about on a extremely simplistic level.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: This is just our company trying to make moves through the region.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I have stories like that.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Call me.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you stories if you want to hear them.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: But when I saw bounty killer and them listed for a show in the Savannah Saturday night Now Bounty Killer, if you don't know, is my favorite dancehall artist right, and I'm always tempted to go.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Bounty Killer, I always wanted to go to a Bounty show.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: But my age, with my back, my spinal cord, it's set up.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I can't stand up for so long to watch no show again.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: So I sat down with my friends and said you, the studio, you know we close now.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: We could drive by the savannah, we could, even if I could go somewhere nearby and just listen from outside.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I don't mind that, you know.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I mean I would like to see bounty killer.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Last time I went bounty killer, so my boy hanks and we stand up in with the place named gene pair complex till my back hurt, I tired, I want to lean up somewhere.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I can't do much of that again.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: And you know I remembering that and how bounty walk off and never finished the show then with beanie man and that make me say, boy, let me go down.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: The next thing, the bounty killer in some kind of thing.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Every time I go to see bounty killer, one time I go and he lock up, next time I go and he walk over the stage.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So I say, boy, let me stay in my bed and my whole self like you to go and enjoy yourself, only to see on instagram.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Now, like bounticle had one of the greatest performances he ever had, but not before, we could see on instagram where he talking about nine hours in the airport and having to call or his prime minister and his minister of what's daryl vast uh, where he is, international relation, where it's called the um, uh, the ministry legal affairs, darryl vast jamaica.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Let me see, I hope it's darryl.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, darryl vast minister, was it vast?
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: He's saying minister of science, energy, tech, telecommunications and transport.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's the telecommunications part and the transport, but whatever it was, he had to call his mps and them in jamaica, or ministers or prime minister to help him get clearance.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: He hadn't spent nine hours in the airport.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I want to say it's time for trinidad to stop that.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: That is foolishness.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: It is counterintuitive, this notion that somebody have some conviction or somebody sing bad lyrics or whatever, because bounticle was arrested here for obscene language before inconsequential in my mind.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Uh, even Bounty Club was arrested here for obscene language before Inconsequential in my mind.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Even Buju, who was arrested in his states and do his time and come out, was held up here for a long time.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And then Guy Griffith was going to make a fool of himself on the stage, double D and double B and double G.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean being a clown on the stage for no reason.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I find it's time we get past them kind of things.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: It's time it's time to get past that.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: It's embarrassing as a country for for all that bounty killer has done for dancehall and reggae music, which, if we're supposed to be regionalized and we're supposed to have a caribbean single market economy and we're supposed to be one as a, but you know, I mean I'm thinking about the advancement of the region.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: We must get to the point where we're not treating people like bounty killers, like if they're extra regional or they come from somewhere else.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: They are of us.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: And when the men and them come, we're supposed to be as a society, as a government, rolling out the red carpet for our artists and we should expect that when the bungees, the fans, marshall, aaron duncan, whoever our artists are, we, we should expect that when we go to jamaica or any other caribbean island where we in this region called csme, we should expect that they could walk in anywhere.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: So tell me something we have.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: We have politicians throughout the regions, throughout this whole region.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: We could give examples of politicians who have checkered pasts right, checkered past, let me put it like that high officials, business people who may have been arrested for this, that or the other, who convict and come out who do?
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I am sure that politicians make life easy for themselves when they come here for choga, whatever conferences it is, the men passing through easy and if they ain't convicted, all of them should be convicted.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Thieves, liars, you know I mean.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: So how it is we?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: We have what would be the pinnacle of entertainment in jamaica and he had to call the prime minister to help him get through.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I think, trinidad, it's time to stop this thing, change up them things.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: And I I don't, I don't like it, especially against the backdrop of people who not from the region walking in here and having an easier time.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I have as a trinidadian.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you're on a long flight and you come home and you're watching people who in the visitors line in immigration that line finishing fast and you in a long, long line trying to scribble down a little thing on piece of paper waiting for immigration to come home in your own country.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I think what makes it doubly embarrassing is this headline where you see order of distinction.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: So bountakiller and beanie man recognized as kings in their own country.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I have some difficulties with them, things too, because I I remember talking about this in the context and we come into independence the once jamaica independence come trinidad independence from the corner and I always have difficulty with the way we recognize our heroes and our stars.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: But I had to give jamaica credit for giving those orders distinction and we'll talk about what the other distinction is where it's given to them.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: So headline order distinctions for bounty killer, beanie man, admiral bailey and nadine sutherland.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Who will say nadine, right, but this from the gleaner.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Four veteran artists will be inducted into the order distinction in the rank of officer.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: These are moses beanie man, davis rodney, bounty killer price glendon orville, admiral bailey, bailey Bailey and Nadine Sutherland.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: All are being honored for their contribution to Jamaican music, with Bounty Killer and Beanie man being highlighted specifically for their contribution to dancehall music.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Audrey Silver, reed and Dr Curtis Watson round out the list Reed for their contribution to film and Dr Watson for contribution to creative arts and musical and international performances.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Salute to everybody else who win it.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: But I really come for this part about the Bounty Killer and Beanie man.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: But I did see some pieces of the ceremony going viral online Bounty Killer speech to accept his award.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Beanie man speech to accept his award.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: The fact that both of them accept it together.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: According to Bounty Killer, we done idols become rivals and then we become idols.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Speech tax episode.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: The fact that both of them accept it together.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: According to bounticle, we done idols become rivals and then we become idols.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I find when you show up in trinidad immigration, that's pretty much all you need to say for them to fly the gate and open it.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: And it was interesting.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: One of the things that happened with bounticle in that show another part of the show that went viral was the fact that, with all the music that bount Bounty Killer in that show, another part of the show that went viral was the fact that, with all the music that Bounty Killer would have sang that they say was gangster music and we listened to over the years to me all of which he performed he ain't hold back on the performances down to singing that Billy Ocean like a ballad.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: It's not Hello.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Hello is Stevie Wonder.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: What was his song?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Suddenly, bounty Killer come and give him a whole ballad gunman song, right, but just like sizzler, we just see some, some weeks ago, bounty killers talking and appealing to the youths to change and stop killing one another.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that the the same speeches they make when they perform in jamaica.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: They could be.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: They could basically copy and paste that, uh, in trinidad now, because of the state of crime, badness whatever you want to call it in Trinidad and Tobago, some of it is, you read the news and you see how bad it is.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: You see it every day.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: So, for the foreign artists and them who used to be, you know, we used to be talking about them with, like, if they think, and all this badness and youth following them, and so for them now to come back in the old age when they, when they, um, when they came around, they dread and think, cut and them think and they start to wear looser clothes and then think they come back now.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm talking about our situation here.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, it is a sad thing to see, but, but we commend them for doing it.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: We commend them for doing it In terms of what the award means, right, jamaica has a, just like us, itemized list of the types of awards that it could get, right.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: So the Order of the National Hero should be the highest award that you could be given.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: And they say the Order of the National Hero is the most senior order.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: The Order of the National Hero is the most senior order.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: The Order of the National Hero may be conferred upon any person who was born in Jamaica or is, at the time of his death, a citizen of Jamaica and rendered to Jamaica service of a most distinguished nature.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Just a few people on this list, right?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Nanny, who you might know, the leader of the Maroons or leader of the windrun maroons, uh samuel sharp, who they call uh leader of the baptist church in uh montego bay, george william gordon, paul bogle, marcus mosiah gavi, sir buster mantis, alexander buster mantis and norman manly.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: That's the only people who would have received the Order of National Hero.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: They also have Order of the Nation.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I believe it's any Governor General or Prime Minister.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: I believe Portia Simpson Miller is on that list.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: That might be the most popular name we know on that list, is it?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go through all the names on the list.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: I just want you to know what the orders themselves are about.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: The Order of excellence is ranked equally in the other precedents with the order of nation and may be conferred upon any foreign head of state, so the so a foreigner could get this and is equivalent to the order of the nation.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: The order of merit is conferred upon any Jamaican citizen, any Jamaican, any citizen of Jamaica or distinguished citizen of another country who has achieved eminent international distinction in the field of science, art, literature or any other endeavor.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: For some of the names on that that you might know some of the more popular names, is this the order of merit.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Even the members of order of merit.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Disease would include people like bob marley.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: You might know the name, edna manly, for instance.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Who would it be?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: The ones in performing arts and education?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: You might know somebody by the name of professor rolston rex, milton nettleford.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: If you went to ue you're supposed to know that name right.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: So they have several classes of the awards of the order, order of jamaica.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: And then came the order distinction.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: So my argument is typically that we tend to be and I talk about it a lot in trend, that here where the highest awards in the nation seem to be beyond the reach of the artists or the calypsonian or, in this case, dancehall or reggae artists.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: But I like the way jamaica has their like, like they split it out almost into categories.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: It's not just rank but a certain category.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: So I believe, based on their, the descriptions that I read here, the order distinction is probably the highest award that they uh could get or would qualify for other than the order of merit, and that would be for somebody who uh the.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: The key difference is that the order merit seemed to be a longer list of people who would have gotten it posthumously and their contribution is beyond just a genre of music or entertainment or one space.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: So when you look at Bob Marley being on that list you can kind of understand where his global impact was felt as a Jamaican.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: But nonetheless I don't want to bore you with that, but nonetheless, congratulations to them both.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to Admiral Bailey and Nadine Sutherland as well.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing to see and you know it's so funny that this comes right as we're talking about Kitchener, who would have been one of the people who wasn't too pleased with the award that they tried to offer him at the time and all that.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: But again back to my partner.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I had a play for you.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: If we went 75, right, we do 75 and 76, I believe, right.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Pan and Harmony and Tribute to Winston Spree.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: They have a next Kitchener here that I want to give you.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: What year was this Pan Night and Day?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I want to get into the 80s a little bit, right, because I talk about the 80s a lot as being a golden era of calypso and soca music, right, and in looking at this, is also a golden era for pan and panorama.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: When you look at the 80s, some of some of the greatest songs played in the in panorama come from that 80s era.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, some of the greatest songs come from that era.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: So it makes sense that some of the greatest pan songs come from there.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: But this is another version or another song where Lord Kitchener take I believe it was 1-2.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: This is in 1985, right, which, if you throw back your mind to 85, all the Calypso people, if you throw back your mind to 85, and some of the big songs at that time.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: This would be one by Renegades, arranged by Jit Samaru, and he also comes second to that one in 85 with uh despos playing same pan night and day and arranged by beverly griffith.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: So we had to take in a slice of greatness, right, if you're talking about these, we had to talk somebody who should be having the what's the thing?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Name order, distinction.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: What trend?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I don't name trinity cross.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Can I remember guitar solo.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: The band compels you to move, I don't care what anybody says.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: The band puts you in the groove, makes you feel the jump up in France on Juve.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: One regret the German does never laugh.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Like a jet, it starts and it ends so fast.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Oh no, pardon me, don't you run away.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: The whole world wants to hear you play.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Everybody wants to hear more fun.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: But it is at all.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: You just can't understand.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just about to say I'm really bothered.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Why do they have to play For such a short period?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Every night, every day?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: It's the one day I just need my friend.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: We want you for all the time, not just for you, babe.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: My heart can't get in.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: It's the night that I'm in.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: The thing really starts you big With the Steve and Jeremy down the place.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: They swing, they whine and they sway, everybody bumping and shaking their ways.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Half past ten the fans seem to disappear.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Until then.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: You hope to see them next year.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I say you cannot do that to me.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: We want you, but permanently.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Everybody want to hear more fun.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: What it is at all.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: We just can't understand.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just about to say I'm really bothered.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Why do they have to play for such a short period?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Every night, every day, People want a Yeti.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Still, my friend, we want you for all the time, not just for shoe fit.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Mama, let me hear you Give me night and day and listen the history of Pan.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: And in celebrating World Pan Day, you must know some of the struggles that Pan went through right.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: So when you look through your list of Panorama winners over the years, one of the things you'll notice is that in 1979, the list simply says no Panorama.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: No Panorama in 79.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: And the reason for that was the struggles of Panorama and they had decided that, listen, we're going on.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: You know the deals with administration.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: We see it with Angus and the football.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: We can't get that together.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: We go talk about the Olympics in a little bit.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Administration can't get that together.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: We go talk about the Olympics in a little bit, administration can't get that together.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Governance is a problem.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Community governance and governance, governance is an issue.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: We seem to have real issues with administration in this country.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: So, due to the administration and some of the things that the pan man was struggling with, all the bands came together and decided that they were standing down, they were not coming out and have no panorama.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: So the panorama, competition, nothing.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Mass, parade of the bands nothing, because 79 at that time parade of the bands.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: It would not be rent-a-amp on them, fellas, depending on pan side.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: So when you're playing your mass.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Nobody in Augusta playing no sort of mass and his DJ playing all day and band playing on the road.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Man come to here, steal pan.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: So imagine if you come down here.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: You come for Carnival and you're custom here and where you are to play, you sit down in your Savannah to hear pan playing and no pan.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: All you're hearing is DJ and you're hearing brass band pass.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: So in 79, no panorama at all.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: You want to hear the song that come out of that in 1980 and why 1980 is one of the greatest era for pan.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: I was standing by the Grand Front Up in the Savannah Digging this Indian girl Beating baseball, coming up in the square With symphony in G, a ring by Clyde Bradley.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Make the spectators leave the stand and just run out to the band.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: While she plays, the crowd shout and say you are the woman and the bass.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, peter ¶¶.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: You could imagine Postman party dance.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: How people break away Cause only wine will tell you what they were hearing Is only brass and DJ Dust raising in the air, woman prancing like the air care.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: This Indian girl said she shut on.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: She belly Feet in her sweet, sweet melody On the stage.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: The crowd went rampage.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: We want the woman at the base.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: We want the woman at the base.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: We want the woman at the base, the only woman on the base.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: She be dancing.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: You had to be a genius when you're singing a song like that, right, and the opening line in the song is Aye, aye, aye, people wailing, you know.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: So that song, again, is about the protest in 79 where Despos was the only band Listen to the song.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Good, so that would have been again.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Golden Era Panorama 1980, played by Trinidad World Stars.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: But his song is hailing Desperados, who comes second in that same 1980, with Kitchener playing that song by the name of no Pan.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: And as we're talking, no Pan only want to deal with the Olympics one time, Nothing, nothing.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: And as we're talking, no pan only want to deal with the olympics one time, nothing, nothing.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Headline says medalist olympic committee president says change needed after team tto.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Home country comes home empty-handed.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Now, whatever.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Funny about this, right?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: I also saw ato bolden doing an interview talking about Jamaica and their Olympic team and talking about the fact that Jamaica have an underwhelming Olympics and less gold medals from where they expected it from.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Less medal count overall and people are going to get fired, right, this is an outsider saying heads will roll when the Jamaican Olympic whatever you call them, jaaas or whosoever send up a team and the athletes in our support.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I see one girl who's doing shot put come out and say, hey, what's going on?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: My coach ain't allowed to come here and one of the men from the J3A's went on an interview and said what happened.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: He said, baby, you need a coach, a big woman like you need a coach in the stadium.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: You don supposed to go there and do according to ado, head's gonna roll, but in this case we have the olympic committee president not saying that I should resign.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at my position.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: I'm considering my options right now till we come home empty-handed.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Not saying that there's a second straight olympics.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: You come home empty-handed.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: He's saying changes are needed.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: I like it a lot.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: He said it ended as a medal less showing for trinidad and tobago in back-to-back olympic campaigns.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: At paris 2024, team tto repeated its tokyo 2020 performance.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Keep in mind, too, that 2016, all we guys are bronze from kesho, two back-to-back before at a bolden's double sprint bronze.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: At atlanta 1996, tnt endured a two-decade drought following hazley crawford's historic 100 meter gold at montreal 1976.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: I want, I want you all to keep that in mind.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Right, keep this in mind.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: 76 is the last time he went it all like me.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: So, who born in 80 and mostly people who listen here were born around that time and it mean we see our olympics, our medal, for about four or five olympics we miss out on, you know.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: I mean until you could see another medal at all, and that was actually coming with, uh, bronze, I believe, any hundred and two hundred uh.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: There are concerns in some quarters that the current no medal trend could develop into another drought, another 20 years of famine.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Ttoc president diane henderson told the express yesterday.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: What I would like to say concerning la is there's a lot of things that need to be done and that's not from one institution.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Sporting organizations have to take a deep review of what they're doing and what they're not doing.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Are they really doing anything differently to change or to really develop our young base athletes?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Do we have to ask these questions or can we watch your results?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: She said athletes with olympic aspirations need to be supported on that journey by the powers that be the inspiration that they need, moving forward and making decisions to actually choose elite sports as a choice for their lives.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: We really have to make some changes.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: He's still saying we, we, the TTOC.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: He's still saying we, we, the TTOC can encourage and, as far as possible, do whatever we can see we can to see changes happen.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: We hope we can get that done as our contribution.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: What's your name again, mary Diane?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Diane, you're not getting it done.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you need that.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe you need 20 years to see that, but at this point in time it's not getting done.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: We'll have conversations in terms of making some changes.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: You having these conversations let me salute Diane Diane you have belly like a calabash we will have conversations in terms of making some changes, because there are things that have to change in order for Trinidad and Tobago to move forward.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Where sport is concerned, there are changes in every period, every quadrennial, in athletes, in systems.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, man, diane, you're good.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: She also challenged national governing bodies to change the script in the build-up to the 2028 Olympics in LA.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: You expect to be there in LA Praise for Cashon.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Jareem the Dream Richards was the most successful Trinidad and Tobago athlete at Paris 2024.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: The .14 athlete finishing fourth in immense 400 meters in a national record of 43 points of made, just missing out on a bronze.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: We saw that we were all pained by that right.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Salute to Jareem Henderson was in 43 points I've made, just missing out on a bronze.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: We saw that we were all pained by that right.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Salute to Jareem Henderson wasn't hyper.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: All right, henderson, we see what we're going to do.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Henderson.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Henderson, you see, like what he has to do from when you win a goal, right and it's time, you know you have the podium after the anthem play.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: You know what he does he steps down.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: There's a simple procedure, simple.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: You need for all these set of words to come off the podium.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: You do good, thanks for your service and all that kind of things.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: But I think we needed some adjustments.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: We need some adjustments in the entire process of the administrative process.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Let me don't even go to choosing athletes, who to go on, what to do and all the things in the
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: um.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: I want to read from somebody who haven't heard from us, you know, but talk about on this podcast for a long time, where I always talk about as being one of the best and brightest minds we have here, but also one of the most cynical.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: This is from the daily express by none other than for zero Muhammad right.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Two consecutive Summer Olympic Games and no medals that is the bottom line for Trinidad and Tobago in the immediate aftermath of the Paris 2024.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: How do we put that stark reality into context?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Was it bad luck from Dylan Carter not feeling the feeling in the swimming pool To 2012 gold medalist Keshawn Walcott feeling a hamstring twinge at the second Troy, the Javelin final?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Or Renny Cole losing her shoe in the first, like that man lost his shoe in the boy.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Salute Reniko me.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Hear about Reniko in a while, but Reniko come and I see something had to be wrong.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: The man was well behind the paces at one foot.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Salute to him.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: He still run hard and you realize.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: But what happened to this man?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: This man last one here comes with one foot of shoes.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: The man have on To Kweisi Brown crashing and hitting his head on the velodrome floor.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Salute to him.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: I hear you.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Alright, this is good right, of course, to Jareem running blind out in lane 9 in the 400-meter final and producing his fastest time ever, a national record to boot, but finishing 400th of a second away from a bronze medal, a performance that would have probably seen a medal in any other Olympics.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Let's say Jareem's case, that he got the
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: bronze.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Would a single third-place finish change our perspective on the Paris Games?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Of course it would, because that's what the Games are about winning medals and all the joy and the celebration and a row of a packed house that goes with it.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's also about participation and representation, and if ours was a country with no track record of earning a medal, you know, maybe this is something we have to revisit.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Right, we seem to think that we are a country with a track record of having medals because we have a few medals over the years.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: But if you look into their medals, you know how Netflix does these deep dive type documentaries.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: A lot of these medals we have is really individual performance by brilliant people and have very little to do with anything that we do as a country, so great to raise champions and stuff.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, right, in the 19 editions of the game since our first participation on Trinidad and Tobago in 1948, we completed a new flag of the game.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Since our first participation in ternatebago in 1948, we completed a new flag of the western east federation.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: We should go back to that in rome in 1960 and our team returned with something tangible, 10 times, peaking in 2012 with our goal as silver and two bronzes.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Of greater relevance in the context of this, attempt at perspective, medals at consecutive games from 1996 to 2016 has now been followed by two unsuccessful
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: ventures.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: And just for those who want to play lawyer and waste time in a space debating what constitutes a successful games experience, the benchmark has stated before his medals full stop.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: You could listen, you could hear for zero saying that.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: So to summarize what fazeer trying to say, right is that it's not enough to go to our games and talk about participation and near misses and so on.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: A benchmark had to be set for what is success and if that is medals, I like the idea.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: He went on to talk about saint lucia, dominica, grenada and uh, again, gold medal.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Salute to them, or medals or meddling new olympics without us giving a dry current rule himself and we will be behind
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: now.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: So he goes on to say where do we begin?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: The competitors and their readiness, or lack thereof, for the highest level of competition?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: How about the different sporting administrations and the umbrella olympic committee in facilitating athlete preparation?
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: Is it the funding, the finals, did the final results meet, exceed or fall short of the expectation of the TTOC?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they set a target Like do we as the TTOC, come out and say, all right, our expectation here is 15 medals or five medals or eight medals or whatsoever it might be, and then measure themselves by that and then decide if they will just step down?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe the real issue is whether or not we engage in these discussions in an analytical, dispassionate manner and then act based on reliable data or like West Indies
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: cricket.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Fazer is getting to it right, but I do like what.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: I like the direction Fazer is going in.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: It's one of his most hard-hitting articles ever because when I saw it and I see his for zero, lord for zero and call for heads to roll.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: But I think he was very measured in the way he approached this article and one of the things he's trying to say basically is that if we don't set out what it is we want to do and put the plan in place to get there, and constantly revisit the plan when we either not get there or we get there, we overshoot it.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: It's like you know strat planning thing.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: You know you want to get to this level.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: You say, well, all right, I feel this will get us there, you go there and you reassess it.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: If we don't do that, we headed basically to another 20 year drought.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: I hope that's not the case.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: I think in
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: la.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: One of the things in this olympics is that we have some youths.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: We are, we are twins or twins on them.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, we have some young people coming up in the mix in the in track and I always wonder, like, like I.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: I always wonder like, should we be focusing on getting more like make thing up, like makeup stuff, just makeup stuff?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Because if they could get, if they could get break dancing in the mix and not seeing, what's stopping us from getting our own sport?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: So salute, as they understand that in the la olympics, t20 cricket will be there.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: So they better play nice with sunil, narine and karen pollard and bravo, and everybody who we need to take us to our T20 Olympic gold medal in 2020.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: How much ever it is
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: 2028.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Let's play nice with these fellas and let them carry home, but we have what it takes to be able to get there, to get there in our T20 Olympic Games.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: I mean we must be able to compete there and come with our medal.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: But if them fellas could put breakdancing.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: We have other things.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: We had to sort of look into our own sports and the things we do here and see if we could make them into Olympic medals, like, for instance, beat Pan.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: If we could beat a little Pan weself, I think we could make that into.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Do like Annie Lopez, the woman at the base, and see if that jump in a wrong play in a base can become an Olympic sport and see if we could win something there.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: But we're back to Kitchener.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: You know we're back to Kitchener and we're back to Major.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I will come over for Kitchener at some point, but it's just so many to go through and in the context of the Olympics, there's only fear that we play this one.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Trini Jump, Trini Wine.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Trini rarely had a ball.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: It is still on their mind.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: The Olympic in Montreal Should, in case you are not so, sure and wonder what they are dancing for.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Isley Crawford, just in the go to put Trinbego on top of the world.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Who make me squeal as he chapter the goal?
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Isley Crawford is the man who make me feel right on top of the world.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Isley Crawford is the man You've been warning.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: We all will be celebrating world.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: So giving the keys to the whole of the land ¶¶.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Well, the day of the race.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Brother, you talk about speed.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: It was pace, mama, pace.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Old man fighting for the lead.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: In the inner lane of the track I can see the colours red, white and black, as this camper don't pass the post, don't worry.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: Second and frontward force.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Who make me squeal as he kept a goal?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: It's me, crawford.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: It's him and me who make me feel right on top of the world.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: It's me, crawford, it's him and me.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Juvé morning.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: We all will be celebrating.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Let's get moving.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: I want to to jump, as you might show that you're alive.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: So give him the keys to the whole of the land.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: ¶¶.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: It was a day of upset.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Favourites couldn't shine.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Ainsley moved like a jet and had them trailing far behind, while the Yankees were shouting plans, hoping that he may have advance Our proper done in the race, with the Russian beaten in third place.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Who make me squeal as he kept to the pole.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Ainsley Crawford is the man who make me squeal as he kept the pole.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Disney proper, disney man.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Who make me feel right on top of the world.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Disney proper, disney man.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Juvé morning, we all be celebrating.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Let's get moving.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: I want you to jump as you might.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: So give him the keys to the whole of the land.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Is the proper, is the people man hopefully by 2028 we have somebody who we could make some song about.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: But again, salute to all the Olympians, salute to Paris.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Paris is a mess.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: They should not host anything.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: These people don't want to host people.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Anybody who've been to france before, the people who in france now, can tell you a little bit of stories.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: I've never been here, but you hear stories from people all the time about them not being the most welcoming people they had and you had to accept their culture for them to start to accept you and so on.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: And so we know all the stories about france right on the colonial history and the past and so on.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: But salute to them.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: I like how the closing ceremony had a handover to ellie.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: I like how that look.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: And snoop dogg and them room have it that.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Snoop dogg, a half a million a day to prance around and be a part of the olympics.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: You're gonna love it.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: You're gonna love it.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Legends, legendary right.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Politics, politics, politics.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: We want to talk about politics.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: We want to talk about trump and kamala and biden and um bernie sanders.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Bernie sanders say recently, politics supposed to be boring all this set of excitement.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: I see trump right because I'm not talking about trump right really rowley and fennies will I come to talk about.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: But I did see trump go on adan Ross show if you know Aiden Ross, one of the biggest streamers they have right, and Trump and them go on and do dance and thing.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: And I hear a little clip playing recently with a guy one of them young fellas to ask Aiden Ross like why he liked Trump, and the first set of things he pointed out was things that Trump is directly opposed to, which shows that these youths know nothing about politics.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: They're not paying attention to it.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: What I'm like is vibes and views and them kind of thing.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: And Trump have more vibes and views the kind of way about him and it's sad that that's what politics come into.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: I always put my faith in youths.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: I always trend towards youth, whatever youth's into.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: I feel that is why I should be focused on.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: But uh, I think we lend these youths make decisions about their own future as adults.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: You might need to step in a little bit.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm not saying who we should vote for and all them kind of things, but at least if you're going to support, if you have a huge platform and you're gonna lend your support to a political leader, at minimum you should know his policies, right.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying don't vote for trump or don't vote for kamala, but at least understand the man policies who you're going for now.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Don't just make it about trump dance and who get thing and bullet by the ears and all them kind of thing in the politics right close to home.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: Headline says Rowley stays neutral on Venezuela election impasse.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: I would like to thank Dr Keith Christopher Augustus moving Manning Rowley for his measured and very boring ways.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: According to Bernie Sanders, politics should be boring and Rowley, when he ready, good, boring.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: And that is some of what we need, right, right.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: So reading from Ryan Betu in the Guardian here it says the cabinet will not be taking a position on the Venezuela election result, nor will Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley make any pronouncements on it.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: Speaking at a PNM function on Friday evening, rowley made TNT's stance clear, saying there are people in Trinidad who have come from venezuela because they didn't like the last result and I'm not surprised that they are still here.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: But what we have to be careful with is that we don't take advice from people whose agenda and interests are not the same as tnt.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: We would maintain our position until there's a reason to change it.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: He added the last time we had to go to the un and speak to the secretary general.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: He added the last time we had to go to the un and speak to the secretary general.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: He added the last time we had to go to the un and speak to the secretary general.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if the same thing will happen again this time, but what is happening is that we are not without some interest in what goes on in venezuela.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: But whatever role we have to play, we'll play.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: We'll play it in the context of our understanding of, and confirmation of, the rules and regulations that govern people's internal elections.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Thousands of people rallied in the streets of Venezuela capital on Saturday, waving the flag and singing the national anthem in support of the opposition candidate they believe won last Saturday's presidential election by a landslide.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: So if you're not up to date on it, maduro is a man in charge, right, and when you see him in charge, when he talks no dog, no dog bark kind of in charge, right, you know them kind of thing.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: And they had an election, which I don't know how much fate all they had in venezuelan elections over the years, but but he had a very strong opposition this time, which many people will say, and at least from the ground you know, you hear any word that this is going to be the unseating of Maduro.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Maduro, of course, claimed that listen, free and fair elections, and if you think, you'll step aside.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: But he lost.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: I mean he win.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: I mean he lost.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: I mean well, he win.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: But they say he lost.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: They say clearly the woman had a whole lot more support.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Uh, sorry, that's that edmundo gonzalez had a whole lot more support and maduro would have obviously won the uh lost the election but maduro announced himself as the winner.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: They say prematurely to vote in duncanty.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Say I win.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: You remember trying like that when you teach little throwing games, you try to teach them Romeo and things put on.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: You guys say I win.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: That's what Maduro do.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: And the scenes out of Venezuela are a little scary, like when you see collapse of an economy like that where people basically throwing away money in the street, the money and no more value, going back to a system of some kind of battle.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: And once you see societies start to uh, I was going easy, would like regress.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Like once you see societies start to step back from the ruler law and the rules of basic economics.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: A matter of fact, the rules of basic economics don't ever change, whether it have a, a dollar in place or not.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: But once that agreement that is, law falls, violence is what tends to.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: The more mighty is who is in control of who eats and who don't eat, and who live and who don't live, and I don't know that the more physically mighty should be the people.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: They're not always the best people to do that, so it's something that we have to pay very, very close attention to.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: In trenton and tobago, I am happy that we have a government in place that is measured enough to not go out there and say anything too wild on these matters, because that is a sovereign country and they have to sort out their own issues, and what you see in situations like these could affect whether it is maduro or the next one named gonzalez.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Whoever it is, um, whoever end up in power eventually, uh will remember the statements that are made in times like these, and you see, it's like getting in the husband and wife business.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: You know, they say don't push him out in the husband and wife business, because when two of them fall out and you put him out and he go on his thing and he leave his sweet old man and he come back and he take, and when them get back together now and them hug up, it's you that's saying, but you didn't see how Corey moved the boy.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Corey called him and and all of a sudden you get extricated, you're on the outside.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: So I'm happy to have a prime minister that measured enough to do that, because some of a big part of our future in terms of oil and gas and so on, depends on how we play with venezuela and how we play with a fella in the united states of america, and whether that fella in the united states of America be Donald Trump or the lady in Kamala Harris, or is Maduro, or is Gonzalez, or the next one named Maria Corina Machado, whichever one of them end up in power in any one of them.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Two countries is a dance we doing in between that.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: We always doing a dance and we's, you know, I I'm not sure if mediator is the right word, but we're certainly in the middle of them and I I do like the fact that, uh, the boss, the boss, the man in charge, the rollers himself, you know, I mean, you have a very measured approach to the way he's dealing with these things and and he ensures that he does not put us in, at least in the international space, right, you could.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: There's a lot that I typically say about him and things that I don't like at all, but I want to highlight this and I try to be fair in the way I, in uh, approach the critique, especially people who have very difficult jobs like the prime minister.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: It's not an easy space and there's a lot that he does domestically that I wonder why he don't just relax sometimes.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: But when he know to be quiet and relax, nobody don't do it as good as him.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: And in the spirit of that, in the spirit of that, you see, you see, you see, the trinidadians have some sayings, right, that you really can't go wrong with.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: So one of them sayings is when you're on top whine.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that saying?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: When you're on top whine sometimes, but sometimes whine too, of course.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: But you see, when you're in the middle, you must always keep this in mind, right.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: But you see, when you're in the middle, you must always keep this in mind right To the LA TV.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: I know people don't believe I'm looking for somebody To spend the night with me.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling for somebody To keep my company.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Somebody, somebody Nice.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Somebody Somebody girl, somebody nice.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Somebody sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: I want somebody to love her, somebody to squeeze her, somebody to jump her, and everything will be irie, irie, irie.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: I'm happy.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: I want somebody to have a pinny party, somebody with tempo, somebody with sense, somebody you know how to roll it up and to shake it up.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: I'm happy.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I want somebody to have a friendly party.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: I don't love Tuesday day night TV.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Everybody I talk to Is to share my point of view.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: Anybody I lean on Will be someone just like you, somebody right, somebody right, somebody smart.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: I want somebody to hover, somebody to squeeze up, somebody to jump up and everything will be irie, irie, irie.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: I'm happy.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: I need somebody to hold up in the party, somebody with tempo.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Somebody with sense?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Somebody who knows.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: I'm happy.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Somebody who knows how to drink water.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: How to drink water?
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm happy, I want somebody to share their oil money.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Listen, I have no idea how much time passed at this point in time, right, I'm a little bit in the dark.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to forgive me as I get better.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: With technology, we will fix all these things.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: And with Conrad boy, with your affordable imports man, we will fix all these things.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: But I want to play a few more before I get out of here.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: I have a whole thing planned out to talk about dutch disease, right, I don't know if there's something people know about or interested in, but at some point I will talk about it.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: But every time I reach for, I feel as close to cut off time I remember in this dutch disease topic.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: So a little, keep more honest about that.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: I want to play you two more from the 80s, like Pan songs, right?
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: So that's Baron, somebody, right?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: You know Baron, you know the person.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Did I give you the year for the Baron?
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: That's 1989.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: I want to stick in the 80s and get two more songs that win Panorama, two of them by the same man, one of them being my favorite.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: My favorite is an 83, so let me play the one from 81 for you first, and I could start with that.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: Thank you, when you're talking about national award right?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: The percussion man in this song deserved the honor of merit.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: But people jump till they sweat when they gasping for breath.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: They was waving their hands Inside the band, man, if you see how much woman without man Jumping to this unknown sweet man Not playing power.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Power To the whole savannah Power, power Only if you recover man.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: I hear Dunlop saying they want, oh, savannah power power, only few recover man.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: I hear John Locke saying they want, when they come in town, to break it down.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: All right, lay la la, my hey, hey, lay la la, my hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: They would have not stand catching the power Cause people jump till they sweat but they gasping for breath.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: They was waving their hand Inside the band and if you see how much woman with tough man Jumping to this unknown sweet band that's playing power.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Power to the whole savannah Power power only if you recover I could get a next one from that same man from 1983.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: The band was at Green Corner Jumping with Rebecca.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I ain't sure if they saw the thing Really happened Because my head was so bad.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: But Rebecca burst away, all she should but hold on and she start to whine like she mad.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Falling down On ay, falling down, ay, ay On the ground, ay ay.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Jumping up, ay ay Stopped.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: But she was dancing All around in a circle.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Oh lord, rebecca drink dating, rebecca, smoke dating.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: Rebecca, sniff dating.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: Rebecca high, she was dancing all around in a suit of gold.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: She was high, high, high, high.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: I know Rebecca from small.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: She have no behavior at all.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: No, no, she dancing and pelting kick Like the girl poses with music, brass for so carnival Tuesday, so kajami Whining, but decently Trying my best to avoid People watching.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, what Rebecca want to be.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: It is day day falling down, day day and the drop, day day jumping up, day day.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Stop what she was dancing around in the circle corner.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Rebecca drink the tea, rebecca smoke the tea, rebecca sniff the tea.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Rebecca home.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: And she was dancing around in her super bowl of dung.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: She was high, high, high.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: We leave the ATS here tonight.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you, guitar solo.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Somewhere up in Lavanty Many years ago A man had a hammer used to follow him to and fro.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: He used to use it to pong a pan, or sometimes a stupid man, all in the savannah, never miss panorama.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: One day the old hammer just disappeared.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Some say that it vanish in the thin air.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: Ah, where the man with the hammer gone?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me where he gone.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Anybody know where the hammer gone?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me where he gone.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me what going on?
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Tell me tell me where he gone.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: I want to know where the hammer gone.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me where he gone.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: Why you up on this train, why you make me grieve, train hammer.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: Tell me about train, why you do with that train, oh Lord.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Well, the dragon don't want me train no more.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Well, the dragon don't want me, train no more.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: From April of 85, I'm a-went to sleep After years of making noise, not even a peep.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: He used to move with the dragon man All through the soccer land, always on the scene.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: They used to control the Baba Green.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Well, the dragon, no, walk the trail no more.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Who hold him the hammer?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: I want to know.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: How is the man with the hammer gone?
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me where he gone.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: Thunderbolt Williams, what going on?
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: I want to know.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Children search under your bed Train, all above your head.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: Train look behind the door.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: Train, what you waiting for?
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: Train, oh oh.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Well, these dragons don't want me Train no more, no more, no more.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Well, these dragons don't want me Train no more.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: I had to tell you, right, guys 1986, arranged by the great Leon Smooth Edwards.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: I don't tell you right 1986.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: Arranged by the great Leon Smooth Edwards.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Coming right back after that, 87 and 88.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: Both done by Denise Plummer, slash, len Booksy Sharp, this feeling nice Ta-da Like fire and ice.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: Ta-da, and this feeling nice, uh-huh, like sugar and spice, uh-huh, mm-hmm, and the music gets inside you, grip you, like a vice.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: It's feeling nice, nice, nice, followed by 88 woman is boss.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: Before I wrap up this episode and I close enough this episode on this one, right, I want to break the tradition of the thing, because every other song I play in this episode is a winning song from a panorama over the years.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: What is up to date.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: Years back in the 63, we went through plenty.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: Kitchener always dominates that thing like this honorable mention to men, and it's hard to say honorable mention.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: So a kitchener just so far ahead of everybody else in this space that you always had to mention the blue boys, the david rudders, the sparrows, men, who men, who in his space is scrunter, some of the men who are the biggest, right then his plumber, the mighty trinity.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: There are plenty men on the list, but I have to play for you to show you how bad the 80s was.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: Right, I want to leave this episode on a song that come second in the 80s, again arranged by Leon Smooth Edwards, coming second Renegades beaten Sweet Pan by Lord Kitchener.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: You want to hear how bad the 80s really was.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: If this is second, thank you.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: Back on me, go back back.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: Go back back on me, go back back.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: You look so pretty, really sexy, boom, boom, look so healthy, jamming on me purposely, darling, go do that to me.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: If she was serious I wouldn't complain.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: But these mischievous things she brings Deliberately blowing my mind, the more I want she, the more she whines Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: Don't bark, bark on me, don't bark bark, don't bark, bark on me.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: Do bah bah, call me, do bah bah, do bah bah, call me.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: Do bah bah.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: Dancing with you, man, you only jamming down the band with you.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: Bam bam, do do that, do do that, do do that.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do do that.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: Do bah bah, call me.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Do bah bah, do bah bah, call't do that.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: Go back back on me, Go back back.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Go back back on me, go back back.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: You look so pretty, really sexy.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: Boom, boom, look so healthy, jamming on me purposely, darling, don't do that to me, thank you.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: The place was jam jam, with no more space.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: So when she bam bam, her heart would break.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: So when she enter the band, she fall A jam.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: She sent her against a wall.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: Do do that, do do that, do do that, yeah, do do that.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: Do ba ba, call me do ba ba.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Do ba ba call me.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: Do ba ba Dancing with you.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: Man, you only jamming down me Pan with you, bam bam.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: Do do that.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: Hey, oli, enjoy the weekend.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: You see all kind of yellow alert flooding town, tropical storm.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: My name is Nesto.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: Please stay safe and stay dry.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: Have a productive weekend and we'll see Oli right back in his own next week.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: You look so pretty, really sexy week, and I will see you all right back in the zone next week.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye.