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UK Column News - 17th October 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Friday the 17th of October
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2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News.
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I'm your host, Mike Robinson. Joining me, My coast is today,
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Patrick Henickson. Welcome to the programme,
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Patrick. Great to be with you, Mike.
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And we have journalist Mark Anderson joining us by video
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link today and well, actually not from the United States this
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week, but in fact in the other UK column studio at the moment.
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So, uh, we'll see him in a minute.
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So now looking, uh, later in the program, we're going to be
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looking at censorship, of course, uh, Mr. and a the latest
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advice, uh, from MI 5, uh, the NATO defence ministers meeting
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and of course, Gaza. We're going to begin today,
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Patrick, with anti-Semitism in universities.
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What's going on there? Well, this is an incredible
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story and we're pleased to be joined by Basil Valentine, who's
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going to be talking about this next story with us.
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We'll connect him in a moment, but for now, let's just bring
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this up on screen. This is our lead story today.
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A pro Israel group gets 1,000,000 in UK government
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funding to quote, identify anti-Semitism.
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What in earth is going on here? And now we can see this story is
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going to be very controversial. The Union of Jewish Students
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will offer some 600 training sessions to university staff
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over the coming weeks to help them quote, identify harassment
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and hate and facilitate open and respectful debate, says the
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Department for Education in their latest press release.
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And it goes on. The Department for Education
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warns that universities could face action if they do not
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protect Jewish students from harassment.
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And they're referring to the pro Palestinian demonstrations,
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Mike, which have been going on not just around this country,
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but Europe and the world. And it goes on to say most
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British universities refer to the IHR as definition of
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anti-Semitism, which free speech defenders say attempts to impose
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political censorship on valid criticisms of Israel.
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Something we've talked a lot about on this program previously
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here. And Prime Minister Keir Starmer
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is planning said the planned student protests were, quote, UN
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British and lacked respect for others.
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So protesting A genocide apparently is UN British,
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according to the PM. And officials in the department
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also say they should ban protests that are intrusive and
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disruptive. And here is one of the most
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important parts of this. And we'll, we'll talk to our our
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guest in a moment. The funding recipient, the Union
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Jewish Students, has links to the World Zionist Organization,
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which funds illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank and E
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Jerusalem. So this story goes a lot deeper.
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Let's let's connect our guest, Basil Valentine.
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He is a journalist and broadcaster based in the UK.
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Basil, welcome to the program and tell us about this story.
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Basil, this is hugely controversial.
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I just get the feeling, Basil, that what's happening on the
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other side of the Atlantic seems to be now happening on this side
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of the Atlantic. But welcome to the program.
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Great to be with you Patrick. Yes, this was announced by the
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woman who would be deputy leader of the Labour Party, Bridget
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Phillipson. Speaking to Laura Kunzberg on
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her programme on Sunday, Kunzberg reminded Phillipson
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that she had declared a national emergency.
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Of what? Anti-Semitism, of course, on
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university campuses back in May, And Kunzberg teed Phillipson up
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by asking, well, what now are you going to do about it?
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Whereupon Phillipson unveiled this huge funding package for an
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organization, the Union of Jewish Students, which boasts of
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its ties with the Israeli government.
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There's a clip of Nina Friedman of the Union of Jewish Students
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talking to Isaac Herzog and boasting of the fact that there
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are former members of the Union of Jewish Students in prominent
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positions in the Israeli government.
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So you can't really get a cigarette paper between the
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Union of Jewish Students and the regime in Tel Aviv.
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Koonsberg then went on to quote the charity Stand With Us and
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Other virulently pro Israel advocacy group who made the
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entirely unsubstantiated claim that anti Israel students at
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1:00 unnamed British university had compiled a list of Jewish
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students for harassment. Now there's no evidence
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presented by Kuenssberg or Stand with Us to back this claim up.
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No evidence, therefore of its veracity or otherwise.
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But the Manchester synagogue attack and to a large extent the
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ceasefire, are increasingly being used by the authorities
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and as a reason to say right, you've had your protests over
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genocide, that's enough now time to shut up again or face the
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consequences. The Office for Students, which I
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didn't know, is the regulatory body for academic institutions
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in the UK. The director of Free Speech,
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Arif Ahmed has said that there would be sanctions for
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universities in Britain if they failed to toe the line
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basically. And it remains to be seen the
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seen the extent to which that means clamping down on
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legitimate protest against genocide.
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So this is developing all the time.
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We don't know what's in this so-called anti-Semitism training
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being provided by the Union of Jewish Students.
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And yeah, this goes with another 2,000,000 being announced for
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Holocaust education in secondary schools.
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That, of course, refers only to the events of the Second World
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War, not the Gaza Holocaust. And is using coercive methods to
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intimidate higher education institutions in order to clamp
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down on student protests, to clamp down on free speech or
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what they call anti-Semitism on campuses, IE protesting a
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genocide in Gaza, withholding funding, withholding federal
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funding. Do you see the same kind of
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coercive measures coming into play here?
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Yeah, exactly. It's straight out of the Trump
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playbook and Kuenssberg on Sunday morning, and indeed the
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entire British government, establishment media and the rest
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are are determined to keep reinforcing the entirely
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mendacious narrative that anti Zionism is anti-Semitism.
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This loops back in of course, to Professor David Miller's case
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cases now and Nina Friedman, the individual I just said was
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boasting to Eyes and Herzog about Union of Jewish Students
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alumni being in prominent positions in Israel.
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So if you can claim that anti Zionism is anti-Semitism, then
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of course you can clamp down on all sorts of things.
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And that's why it's so important that David Miller wins against
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the appeal and that anti Zionism becomes enshrined in UK law by
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precedent as a belief worthy of respect in a democratic society.
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Because there's no doubt Israel's being badly rattled by
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the breadth and depth and strength and numbers of people
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showing solidarity for the slaughtered and mutilated and
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starved of Gaza. And so they will keep up.
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They are absolutely relentless. They will keep up their attempts
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to, you know, intimidate, silence, clamp down on protest
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wherever possible using front groups like Stand With Us and
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the Union of Jewish Students. And the the Times just ran this
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story, I think it was in today's paper Basel.
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Maybe you could tell us a bit more about this.
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The headline is Jewish students call for action after pro
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Palestinian protests. What exactly is happening here?
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Well, the headline says it all really.
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The the headline by the Times there again deliberately
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conflates pro Palestinian protests with intimidation of
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Jewish students. First of all, that obviously is
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in itself anti-Semitic because it ignores the increasing number
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of anti Zionist Jewish students, which is a absolutely key point,
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particularly among young people. Of course support for the
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genocide is crumbling, it's cratering.
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So they're trying to shore it up by conflating any form of pro
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Palestinian solidarity with anti-Semitism.
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Melanie Phillips published an article in the Times, I believe,
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or it might have been the Jewish Chronicle a few months ago,
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saying any form of Palestinian solidarity is anti-Semitism.
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Now that's the sort of extremist maximalist line that you get
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from ultra Zionists like her. But that's the tone being taken
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in that headline is that, you know, pro Palestine protests are
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somehow intimidatory towards Jewish students inherently.
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So there was an article in on the BBC website which casually
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said, oh, at these protests, students could be heard shouting
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free Palestine as if that was, you know, somehow in itself an
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anti-Semitic chant. Now, of course, on Friday we've
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got an important watershed when the result of the government's
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appeal against the decision by the High Court to grant a
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judicial review into the prescription of Palestine action
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will be heard. We'll we'll know whether or not
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the judicial review will indeed proceed.
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Because one of the things that the Office for Students has said
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that is that they may withhold funding, withhold student grants
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and generally sanction universities if there appears to
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be support among students for prescribed organisations.
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And by that of course they mean Palestine action.
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So that's an absolutely crucial decision.
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And should the High Court allow the judicial review to go ahead,
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then the scholars are saying there's every chance the ban on
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Palestine action will be overturned.
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That will obviously represent a major defeat for the Israel
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lobby and cause endless wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Yeah, and clearly that's his weapon, weaponizing the issue in
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order to quell free speech of students.
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But we'll bring that headline back up on screen from the
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Times. What's more concerning here,
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even Basil, is if it's not bad enough, university chiefs In the
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subtext here, university chiefs have been urged to expel
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students after these societies shared posts on Instagram of
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Hamas fighters during October 7th.
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So expelling students for social media posts about things that
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are happening in the news. I find this to be a very
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slippery slope. Go ahead.
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Well, you know, absolutely. It's always a full court press
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from the Israel lobby. You know, they never give an
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inch to, you know, they're determined to harass docks
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people to the maximum extent. I saw a headline this morning, I
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haven't had time to research it, saying that Palestine activists
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are being targeted to have their bank accounts closed as well, so
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we shouldn't be surprised by this at all.
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You know, one would hope that it could go to court should any
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student be expelled for sharing a meme or a post.
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Whether or not they endorse the actions of the people in the
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picture or whoever they may be, I've no idea.
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But obviously it's an extremely perverse, indeed inverted
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morality where you can cheer on the perpetrators of genocide,
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but you're not allowed to speak out against it.
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I mean, Mike, the issue of academic freedom is one thing
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and David Miller has brought that issue to the fore with his
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case. But now we're getting also using
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the same issue is being applied to students in order to sort of
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police what can be said, what can't be said.
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I don't think this this kind of goes against all of the
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principles of, you know, the UK higher education, which has
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always been a world leader. Yeah.
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But I think this goes beyond just higher education.
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We we look at what's happened in the United States with, you
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know, particularly foreign students in the United States
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being targeted, being expelled from the country.
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Again, we have the migrant issue in the UK as well.
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And so if if the if one of the targets of this, which it seems
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to be is student protest, then undoubtedly we're going to see
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quite a bit. Are we going to see sort of ICE
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style people being scooped up off the streets?
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I style it like like we're saying in the United States.
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And and my other question would be, what is the response to the
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university is going to be? Because of course, they're
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already complaining bitterly about reductions in income as a
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result of fewer foreign students coming in and the restrictions
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on foreign students that are being talked about.
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So, so if, if this starts to affect the, the the bottom
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financial line, are the universities actually going to
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run with this? I mean, obviously, obviously,
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there's massive pressure on them to do so.
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And in the case of David Mueller, we see that they're
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very enthusiastic to do so in some respects.
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But if it actually starts hitting their bottom line, what
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happens then? Oh, they're already under
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pressure for wanting to ban, you know, Chinese foreign students,
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which comprise a very large block of high tuition paying
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overseas students that have helped to subsidize UK higher
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education in a certain way. But Basil, just we have one
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minute left. What it's ironic that this is
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happening and you're having record numbers of people on the
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streets in London. The last Palestinian March this
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past weekend, 600,000 people took to the streets in, in, in
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the the British capital. The irony of that is incredible.
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They're going in two different directions, the public and the
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the, the authorities on this. Your final thoughts?
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Well, that's been the case for a long time.
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I mean, you know, if you hold the whole world, you'll find
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that it's increasingly anti Zionist.
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Of course it is because they've been perpetrating genocide.
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But after the so-called ceasefire, which Israel is
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managing to regularly breach, of course, so far a couple of dozen
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Palestinians were killed yesterday.
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The narrative and the optics are, well, they're attempting to
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change them basically say, look, you know, Trump, Netanyahu,
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Sharm El Sheikh, it's all wonderful.
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So now there's no reason to protest against what's happening
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in Gaza. It's all over.
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Well, it isn't all over. You know, innumerable war crimes
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and crimes against humanity have been committed, and supporters
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of those crimes are still populating government, House of
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Commons and everything else. We've got a long, long way to go
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to see not just peace in the Middle East, but justice as
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well, and the perpetrators of genocide brought to justice.
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So people, I have no doubt, will and should carry on
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demonstrating until that is the case.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Basil Valentine, thank you so much for
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joining us on the UK column News this week.
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Much appreciated. Thank you.
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Absolutely. Thank you.
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And and just a final, a final thought here, this incredible
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piece by Jonathan Cooke, who is just an outstanding journalist
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on this issue, will bring this up on screen and in the headline
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says it all, Mike, Israel is the excuse to snatch away freedoms
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we once took for granted. We're talking about freedom of
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speech, freedom of assembly. This issue or this alliance with
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Israel's being used, it's being instrumentalized on both sides
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of the Atlantic to reduce basic rights.
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And Jonathan Cook is, it's just a beautifully written piece.
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I encourage people, we'll include the link in the show
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notes so people can read this, find this article, read it, and
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share it with your friends. It's so concise, the way Cook
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has laid out this really disturbing trend.
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Thank you, Thank you, Patrick and thank you Basil.
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Now let's move on then to online safety related issues.
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Now a lot of the floor in the EU over the last period of time has
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been around chat control and well, what is that?
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Well, it's the idea that the platforms will be required to to
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assess the types of content they're being uploaded to the
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social media platforms and censor the content before it
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ever reaches the social media platform.
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So anyway, the the good news is though, that the E U.S. chat
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control legislation seems to have, at least for the moment,
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hit the buffers. As I say, for those that don't
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know, this is the proposed legislation which is being sold
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to the public as a mechanism for controlling the uploading of
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child sexual abuse material to Internet Internet platforms.
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And as I say, it would require platforms to scan content as
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it's being uploaded. It's a deeply unpopular idea
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because no one actually is stupid enough to believe that
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child sexual abuse material is where it would stop.
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So it and and there is a certain recognition that C Sam is now
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being used as the sort of poster child for, you know, general
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censorship. So the EU Justice and Home
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Affairs Council was supposed to vote on Tuesday this week.
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And to quote them, they said the C Sam proposal is no longer on
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the agenda of the meeting for the ministers of Justice and
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Home Affairs which took place, which will take place on Monday
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and Tuesday. This is a retrospective
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statement and the Council's cancellation was probably
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because of opposition, mainly coming from Germany.
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Now, if Germany had supported the proposal, the regulation
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would advance to the final, what are called trilogue negotiations
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between the European Council, the European Parliament and the
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European Commission. The Netherlands and Poland were
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among the states that opposed chat control, France and Ireland
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amongst the countries that back it.
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And the EU Home Affairs spokesperson said that the
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Danish presidency is likely to reintroduce the proposal towards
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the end of the year. So as I say, it's hit the
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buffers for now, but not forever.
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And on Friday, then that's Friday.
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Last week, ministers from 27 European countries, led by the
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Danish presidency, signed a declaration here it is the
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Jetlin Declaration, shaping a safe online world for minors.
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And it said that legislation must be effectively implemented
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to ensure ensure child online safety.
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We need digital bouncers, said Caroline Stage, who's the Danish
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digital affairs minister. Digital bouncers to ensure that
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the Internet is safe place to be and the children are not granted
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access when they're not old enough.
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It's crucial that we stand strong together in Europe if we
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want to make a real difference. Now I've made the word we bold
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on that graphic. Because the question is, who is
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the way that she's talking about?
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Because she's not talking about we the people.
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She's talking about we the, the, the Eurocrats and we need to
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stand together. And she's talking about the
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other member States and the other leaders and member states
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maybe aren't quite so on the same page with this.
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So then in the meantime, here in the UK, Ofcom has announced the
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roll out of what they're describing as perpetual hash
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matching technology. This is a what they describe as
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a powerful automated tool that can detect and swiftly move CSAM
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material before it spreads further.
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And of course, this is effectively our equivalent of
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the chat control legislation in in the EU.
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And they were particularly talking about file sharing
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services. This is, they say, continuing
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the roll out of technology which scans content is being uploaded
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to platforms. So exactly the same as the EU.
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And the two services that they were speaking about in their
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press release have agreed to roll this out.
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They because they were deemed to have serious compliance issues
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and they were being threatened by Ofcom, but because they did
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what they were told like good little little children
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themselves. No further actions being taken
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at this time. But the threat hangs over their
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heads. Of course, many more of these
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types of organisations have chosen to withdraw from the UK
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instead of complying with Ofcom. Here's an example of a file
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sharing application which is no longer available in the UK.
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But the issue here is that some services that had taken this
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action were including on, although that particular page
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that you saw on screen there didn't have any information
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about VPNs, others did. And Ofcom said that it's clear
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that services who choose to block access by people in the UK
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must not encourage or promote ways to avoid these
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restrictions. So they're, if they attempt to
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tell people, you know, just just install AVPN, that that would be
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considered a circum, A contravention, and then they
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would, Ofcom would be attempting to, to find them or something
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like that. And I mean, what could they
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possibly be doing here? Well, here's an example. 4 Chan
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has not responded to Ofcom's request for a copy of its
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illegal harms risk assessment. That's 4 Chan's illegal harms
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risk assessment, nor a second request from Ofcom relating to
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its qualifying worldwide revenue.
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So Ofcom has fined 4 Chan 20,000 lbs + a daily, daily penalty of
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£100 per day. And that began on Wednesday of
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this week. And that'll run for either 60
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days or until 4 Chan provides them with the information,
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whichever is sooner. I'm sure 4 Chan is really
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panicking Patrick. Well, besides, beside the point
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here, but the Mike, the whole point of this is it's criminal
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activity. You know this material, there's,
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there's laws on the books, right?
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Right. Precisely yes.
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And so, so that means you have to take away all of the rights
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of the entire population. Of course you do because of a
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few criminals who are already subject to criminal laws and and
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prosecution anyway. Yes.
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So that the, so that would mean if kids, if a few kids got a
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hold of alcohol, somehow we have to ban alcohol throughout
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society, Yes. Or if kids got a hold of
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cigarettes, we we must ban cigarettes across the whole of
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society. It's the same.
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It's the same mentality. It is absolutely.
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Then if you remember back to the beginning of this year, the UK
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regime imposed an order on Apple to cause Apple to provide a
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backdoor to the strong encryption of iCloud services in
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the UK. And that would have meant in
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practice that Apple would have to remove these protections
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globally. Apple fought the issue at the
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time and won. Now the UK regime is trying
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again. So if we just put that back on
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screen, this is the latest from Apple because they've had to
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bring back this page which is telling us that they can no
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longer offer advanced data protection in the United Kingdom
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to new users. It is only for new users.
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So anybody that has been operating this already and
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continue to operate it in the meantime, but Apple has not said
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that that is guaranteed forever because this is an ongoing legal
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process. And Apple's basically saying,
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you know, that they're attempting to provide what they
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describe as the highest level of security for personal data and
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so on, and they're hopeful that they're going to be able to do
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that again in the future. So I just wanted to very briefly
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remind everybody where this is coming from.
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This is the Investigatory Paris Amendment Act 2024.
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And so this is an act of parliament.
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It's been going for, as you can see, for about a year or so.
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And let's just remind ourselves what this means.
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So the government decided to reduce already weak protections
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against security services using our data illegally.
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It has removed a reasonable expectation of privacy.
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It has not explained why reduction of privacy is
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necessary rather than convenient.
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It potentially permits bulk data collection of facial images and
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social media data. And of course this feeds into
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the whole digital ID thing. It absolutely permits bulk
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collection of Internet connection data.
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It's been doing that for a long time, and expands the range of
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politicians who can authorise surveillance of other
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politicians. But here's where it gets
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interesting. It requires tech companies to
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inform government of any plans to strengthen security or
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privacy features in their software.
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And it permits government vetoing any such security or
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privacy features. And it enables the Secretary of
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State to require tech companies to provide services or
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facilities for the purposes of facilitating or assisting an
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intelligence service to carry out its functions.
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In other words, back doors to any form of encryption.
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Finally, it prevents tech companies for disclosing such
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services or facilities to anyone without permission of the
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Secretary of State. So, you know, this is the
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situation that we are in as a result of the latest
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investigatory parse legislation. Fascism.
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Absolute fascism. 100% So there it is.
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There it is. OK, let's move on the I want to
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say thank you very much to everybody that's supporting the
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UK column. We do need your ongoing support
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and of course, if you have a look at the front page of the UK
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But yeah, do attend. There's going to be a lot of
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people going. OK, let's welcome Mark to the
28:28
program. Mark from Studio 2, welcome to
28:31
the program. And what's been going on with
28:34
mRNA technology? Well, first I'll say the wind
28:38
stole my hat. So if you don't recognize me,
28:40
yes, it's still me. Anyway, now getting this first
28:45
slide up there. It it is a report in the
28:49
immediate aftermath, something I covered virtually of
28:53
international press conference. It was actually recorded October
28:56
9, but broadcast throughout social media and video platforms
29:01
as of October 12. And it's it was called the World
29:04
Journey of Truth. And they're calling for a total
29:08
mRNA vaccine moratorium. There were 30 plus speakers from
29:13
20 countries there. They each had two or three
29:16
minutes where they spoke their truth, spoke their piece about
29:20
why they think an mRNA moratorium is necessary.
29:24
This next slide gives some summation of this.
29:27
These 30 plus experts in medicine, life sciences, law,
29:31
psychology, economics, there were philosophy people there
29:34
too. They spoke on behalf of over
29:36
2000 scientists and doctors and nearly 10,000 signatories who
29:41
are jointly warning of the risks of mRNA technology and calling
29:47
for this immediate moratorium. And I'll make a quick footnote.
29:50
The moratorium is on the production and the use of the
29:54
mRNA jabs, not just the usage. A very important point.
29:58
And it real quickly I'll do a call out to Graham, a guy I met
30:02
on the way here. He's from Reading and there's
30:05
this exercise, Pegasus, a dress rehearsal for another pandemic
30:09
going on in the UK right now as we speak.
30:11
But I'm seeing no outward signs of it.
30:13
And when I talked to Graham, he wasn't aware of any outward
30:17
signs of it either. But a shout out to Graham and a
30:19
guy named Bruce and his wife from Somerset.
30:21
I met them on the way. I told them about UK column.
30:24
Anyway, this next slide, just give some of the speakers who
30:28
were at this presentation, this press conference, a Professor
30:33
Paul Cullen, a lab physician from Ireland.
30:35
We have Professor Robin Cosford Colford, the nutritional
30:40
environmental medicine person from Australia, the well known
30:44
Texas cardiologist from the United States, Doctor Peter
30:47
McCullough, and professors and technicians and doctors from
30:52
Japan, Thailand, Estonia, Austria and many other places.
30:57
A very diverse group in terms of what they talked about, their
31:00
backgrounds and where they're from and we'll move on from
31:03
there. Some very other some other very
31:05
important matters to share. There's a website that was
31:09
associated with this conference and this next slide talks about
31:14
one of many cases where the Mnmrna jabs have been associated
31:19
with clear evidence that they were the cause of illness and
31:24
death. This is a case report.
31:27
It dates back to the 1st of October of 2022.
31:31
And it it comes from the National Library of Medicine,
31:33
which is an adjunct of the National Institutes of Health in
31:36
the United States. And the report is about a 76
31:40
year old man and he had Parkinson's disease.
31:43
He's over 76, he passed away and yet they were able to determine,
31:48
according to this government related report, they were able
31:51
to determine that the mRNA jab was in fact, by all indications,
31:56
the cause of his death, even though he had Parkinson's, his
32:00
age, comorbidities, things like that.
32:03
But anyway, there, there's another slide there that we seem
32:07
to have skipped over. I had a a part I wanted to
32:10
emphasize on that last slide, slide with the white background.
32:14
The bottom part of this where the where I put in the red
32:16
emphasis. It talks about how the presence
32:21
of spike proteins must be ascribed to vaccination rather
32:26
than to viral infection. The findings corroborate
32:29
previous reports of encephalitis and myocarditis caused by gene
32:34
based COVID-19 vaccines. This is the basic finding where
32:39
they determined that the gentleman 76 year old with
32:42
Parkinson's disease again, by all indications, passed away
32:46
precisely due to the mRNA jab. Now the media propaganda, of
32:51
course, amid the WH OS work on the pandemic treaty, which is
32:57
chugging along. I'll talk about the schedule to
32:59
that. We'll revisit the schedule to
33:00
that in a moment. But as we as we think about
33:03
exercise Pegasus going on the the pandemic dress rehearsal
33:07
right here in the UK, although it's not visible, it's not
33:10
outwardly visible, it's going on right now.
33:12
You think about The Who trying to actually ratify this treaty,
33:17
the pandemic treaty. Meanwhile, the media is putting
33:20
out this unequivocal absolutist kind of message guys, where
33:25
there can be no dissent. They they relabel dissent as
33:28
mixed messaging. And then they they basically
33:32
talk as if in this case, pregnant women and their fetus
33:36
are absolutely safe, no qualification, no equivocation.
33:41
They can all get the MRMRNA jab a pregnant woman who's carrying
33:47
a baby without any harm to the baby or the, or the mother.
33:51
And this New York Times video that we're about to show is
33:55
emblematic of this absolutism that the media is putting out
33:58
there, as if there can be no room for doubt, as if, as if
34:02
there can be no possibility of danger.
34:04
Let's go ahead and and watch this video.
34:08
The science is clear. The COVID vaccines are safe for
34:11
pregnant women. But public health messaging
34:13
around the vaccines has been muddled since Health Secretary
34:15
Robert F Kennedy Junior announced that the CDC would no
34:18
longer recommend them during pregnancy.
34:20
My colleague and I. Spoke to both patients and
34:23
doctors and they told us the same thing.
34:25
The change in federal guidance has created a great deal of
34:27
confusion, both for pregnant women and for the pharmacist who
34:30
administer the majority of COVID vaccines.
34:32
In fact, a survey released this week found that only 42% of
34:36
respondents. Believed it was safe to.
34:38
Get an mRNA vaccine during pregnancy So here's what you
34:41
need to know about why the COVID vaccine is safe and effective
34:44
during pregnancy. If you're pregnant, COVID is
34:47
dangerous for both you and your fetus, Even if you were
34:50
perfectly healthy before, COVID is more dangerous during
34:53
pregnancy for a number of reasons.
34:55
First, pregnancy suppresses the immune system, so your body
34:58
doesn't treat the fetus as a threat.
35:00
That means you're more vulnerable to infections in
35:02
general. The respiratory infections in
35:04
particular, are more dangerous because as the uterus swells, it
35:07
compresses the diaphragm, making it harder to take deep breaths.
35:10
The effects of a COVID infection can linger for the entire
35:13
pregnancy. They can even affect the
35:15
development of the placenta, hurting the fetus.
35:18
Vaccines reduce these risks. Getting vaccinated also helps
35:21
protect your baby. Newborns can't be vaccinated
35:24
against COVID themselves until they're at least six months old,
35:28
so maternal antibodies are the only way to protect them.
35:30
That's important because the virus is especially dangerous
35:33
for infants. In fact, the youngest children
35:36
have a higher risk of hospitalization from COVID than
35:39
any other group aside from adults over 70.
35:41
Five, at this point, we have years of data showing that the
35:44
COVID vaccines are safe, including for pregnant women,
35:47
and that the risks of COVID far outweigh any risk.
35:50
Risks of the shots? So we know that vaccination is
35:53
both effective and safe for pregnant women.
35:55
That doesn't mean actually getting the vaccine is easy.
35:58
Gynecologists often don't offer COVID vaccines in their offices.
36:02
So. So there we have it.
36:06
There's that video where the unequivocal message is that
36:09
women and their and their fetuses are absolutely free of
36:13
any possible harm from the COVID jabs.
36:16
And there was a lot of talk at that conference about the risk
36:19
benefit ratio and that there's been no reliable independent
36:23
research to prove that risk benefit ratio is in a favorable
36:28
way. Therefore, that's one of many
36:31
reasons that the presenters at that press conference were are
36:34
calling very loudly for the mRNA moratorium.
36:38
This is a quick item that I did report last time, but I have
36:42
some technical problems and this was just give an honorable
36:44
mention on the extra last week. This is exclusive breaking news.
36:50
Let's show this an Alliance of Indigenous Nations International
36:54
Tribunal, amid the other calls for an mRNA moratorium.
36:59
They're calling mRNA nanoparticle injections
37:02
biological and technological weapons of mass destruction in
37:06
their view, and they base that on U.S. law, as this slide
37:11
indicates, but also on Canadian and international law, saying
37:15
that the mRNA nanoparticle injections, quote, meet the
37:19
criteria of biological weapons and weapons of mass destruction.
37:23
I've got just a couple more things to share here.
37:26
And this is James Roguski, the noted watchdog of the pandemic
37:31
treaty and all things related to mRNA.
37:34
He's calling for revoking the biologics licenses for the mRNA
37:38
injections from Pfizer and Moderna.
37:41
And also he's calling for the mRNA moratorium.
37:44
There's his contact. You can go to
37:46
jamesroguski.substack.com. And he encourages people to text
37:50
him in the US in Los Angeles at 3:10.
37:54
I didn't get that number there, but the number is posted for
37:57
those that want to review the slides.
37:59
You can text or call Mr. Raguski.
38:03
Anyway, this last slide is the Intergovernmental Working Group
38:06
agenda. This group took over for the
38:09
intergovernmental negotiating body to finish the treaty.
38:12
And this shows their schedule all the way through next May,
38:15
when the 79th World Health Assembly will happen in
38:17
Switzerland. And they have not actually
38:21
approved that the pandemic treaty, they'll call it adopted,
38:26
but they have not certified it or actually brought it into
38:30
force. So a lot of times they're trying
38:32
to misrepresent the status of that treaty.
38:35
Very important to keep in mind. But back over to you guys.
38:38
They'll be, of course, much more as this heats up late this year,
38:42
early next year. Heating up isn't.
38:46
It yes, it certainly is. Yes, yeah, thanks Mark.
38:49
Okay, Patrick, let's let's move back to international affairs
38:52
and and Israel. Sure.
38:54
Well, briefly the big question is, is the is the ceasefire
38:58
holding? Is the ceasefire holding?
39:00
So we're asking ceasefire, what's ceasefire?
39:03
And as it turns out, this the victory lapse during the victory
39:06
lapse by Trump, Netanyahu, all of the sort of posturing and
39:10
back slapping in the Knesset and Tel Aviv and what do we find?
39:15
The ceasefire has been broken as we said, as we predicted here,
39:20
Israel warns it will resume military operations of Gaza, in
39:23
Gaza of Hamas violates truce. Well, that was the threat by the
39:27
Israelis. But what's actually happened?
39:31
Well, that's happened. Israel kills 9 Palestinians in
39:33
Gaza despite ceasefire that just happened.
39:36
This is just reported off the wires a few days ago.
39:40
So they've, and this isn't the only story we we're showing
39:43
here. So Israel has clearly violated
39:46
the ceasefire. So is this mostly a ceasefire?
39:50
Is this like mostly peaceful protests is now mostly a
39:53
ceasefire by Israel? They can kill and do whatever
39:55
they want and nobody is going to restrain them.
39:58
And that's the number one problem.
40:00
This is why we said we didn't think that this was going to
40:02
last because Israel's record on ceasefires is appalling.
40:06
It's 0% success rate. They've broken every single
40:10
agreement that's been documented by academics like Zachary
40:14
Doctor, Zachary Foster, who I encourage people to follow on X.
40:18
We'll try to put Zach's X. Account in the show notes, but
40:21
it is very well documented. Mike, 0% success rate.
40:25
They violated everything and they're doing it again.
40:28
And of course, they're getting the support from Trump to do
40:29
this because as we were talking about on Wednesday's program,
40:33
the suggestion was unless they provide all the bodies of the
40:37
dead hostages that which they can't possibly do because the
40:40
place has been turned to rubble. The ones that Israel killed
40:43
themselves, they bombed their own hostages, yeah.
40:46
And of course they've got to disarm or else and and so on.
40:50
So, so they've put a bit of load of criteria on the ceasefire
40:52
continuing which which are in some cases impossible.
40:56
Well, Trump's already basically foreshadows he's already pre
40:59
blaming Hamas if the ceasefire breaks, so no matter what
41:03
happens they're going to then blame Hamas.
41:05
This is the Israeli negotiation tactic going back for the last
41:09
40 years. So nothing new, unfortunately,
41:12
yeah. Yeah.
41:14
OK, let's move on to the NATO defence ministers meeting now.
41:18
This was taking place yesterday, the day before, sorry, on
41:23
Wednesday, Thursday, sorry. And recent series of mysterious
41:27
drone incursions and airspace violations by Russian warplanes.
41:31
Well, that was the key narrative of the of the NATO summit that
41:34
that the NATO defence minister conference.
41:36
It's important, as we'll come on to later, this whole issue of of
41:41
drone and airspace incursions. Everything was heavily
41:46
choreographed as you can see on screen at the moment.
41:48
The arrivals, there was a family photo opportunity, of course,
41:51
all the handshakes, the warm words, there's Hegseth on screen
41:54
at the moment and so on. And the key thing is what
41:58
they're saying basically is that now that Trump has won the Gaza
42:01
war, it seems to be more or less how they're putting it.
42:04
The focus is back on Ukraine, or in fact, rather, the focus is
42:08
back on Putin. But you know, don't worry
42:14
because. NATO is a Sorry, NATO is a
42:21
defensive alliance. We will remain A defensive
42:24
alliance. But make no mistake, this
42:27
defensive alliance is ready and willing to do what it takes to
42:31
keep our 1 billion people safe and our territory secure.
42:36
Their security is. Linked with ours.
42:39
This is not just words, but it's reflected in the support we give
42:43
to Ukraine. That's really key what he said
42:47
Mike Mark and sorry for the technical glitch there is Mark
42:51
Ruta has an effect on our. Yeah, on everybody.
42:54
Video capturing 'cause everything to go haywire.
42:56
Yeah. He's saying our security is
42:58
linked to Ukraine's security, but the other side of that
43:02
equation is as valid is Russia's security is linked to Ukraine
43:07
and what happens in Ukraine. And that's the part of the
43:10
equation that doesn't get spoken about on this side of the Iron
43:13
Curtain or on the iron side of the Iron Curtain.
43:16
But go ahead. Yes, indeed, no.
43:18
Later on there were defence conferences and well John Haley
43:23
had this to say. When I argue that a secure
43:27
Europe requires a strong sovereign Ukraine, what Ukraine
43:32
is teaching us in the way that we can see the rapid evolution
43:39
of the nature of warfare, the leading edge innovation that
43:43
Ukraine and battlefield techniques.
43:46
For some time we have been able to learn from Ukraine and
43:51
Ukraine is increasingly recognised and understood to
43:56
play a part in the training of other NATO nations forces and in
44:02
recent moves to respond to incursions into NATO airspace.
44:10
Ukraine has stepped up, responded in practice and I
44:14
think is helping to demonstrate more clearly to more people how
44:18
the Ukraine is fighting for its future.
44:23
But the unique leading the combat experience that it now
44:30
has means that it it can already and will in the future make a
44:36
huge contribution to the security of Europe more
44:40
generally. So a strong sovereign Ukraine
44:44
controlled by Britain, the United States and the EU.
44:46
Is that how that works? With the CIA running the SBU
44:49
which the American government's paying Ukrainian pensions?
44:52
And what about elections? Sovereignty.
44:54
How about elections? Are they having elections in
44:57
Ukraine? I guess not.
44:58
Is a dictatorship run by foreign powers subsidized by the US,
45:04
Europe and the UK? And that's foreign powers, as
45:06
he's just admitted, are using the scenario to develop
45:10
strategies for fighting Russia in in the future future, because
45:13
they're they're watching everything that Russia does,
45:15
obviously in the course of this conflict.
45:16
And and you trying to use that to build up with some what some
45:19
kind of battlefield database here?
45:22
It's sovereignty is a big doughnut in Ukraine right now.
45:25
100% unfortunately. More on John Healey.
45:28
This is from another session from the the recent confab but
45:33
but watch this and listen carefully.
45:36
And Secretary Higgseth, I want to praise President Trump's
45:40
essential leadership in securing that ceasefire in Gaza.
45:45
That was peace secured through strength.
45:47
And today, as we shift our focus back to the war in Ukraine, your
45:53
presence here reminds US of President Trump's commitment
45:58
also to secure peace in Ukraine. But until peace comes,
46:05
Ukrainians, military and civilians alike, continue to
46:09
fight with huge courage. Our determination must match
46:14
their defiance, our support must match Putin's escalation.
46:21
And our role as members of this UDCG is to guarantee Ukraine's
46:26
strength. Now, the first thing I picked up
46:30
there is the sycophanty of all of the European leaders and
46:34
Healy now pandering to Trump, Donald Trump's peace to
46:37
strength. Is Trump the president of
46:39
Britain? It seems like it.
46:40
There's no independent foreign policy or thought in the British
46:44
defense establishment there. So the sycophanty is something
46:47
to know. The other thing is he's talking
46:48
about defiance, Ukrainians defiance.
46:51
Our commitment must match Ukraine's defiance.
46:53
Where's the defiance happening in Ukraine?
46:55
Like it seems to me if you have to hog tie young men off the the
46:59
streets and bundle them into the back of the vans to conscript
47:02
them and then throw them into the trenches on the front line
47:05
with the average life expectancy of somewhere between 24 and 48
47:09
hours. The real defiance in Ukraine is
47:12
coming from the Ukrainian people against the Zelensky autocracy
47:16
that is prosecuting A proxy war on behalf of NATO.
47:20
That's the defiance in Ukraine. If you look at the polling, the
47:23
majority of Ukrainians want this over, but the political class
47:26
and those getting funded by this, making money out of it,
47:30
want to promulgate this conflict.
47:32
So that's the Orwellian language is unbelievable.
47:36
And the last one until peace comes.
47:39
Until peace comes, in other words, there's going to be war
47:43
until peace comes. So they're going to make no
47:45
effort to have any dialogue, no diplomacy, no negotiations, no
47:50
political settlements, and we're just going to have war until
47:53
peace comes. This is so Orwellian.
47:56
Yes. What's Trump been up to then?
47:59
What's Trump been up to? So let's talk about escalation
48:02
here. Is Donald Trump talking about
48:04
sending Tomahawk missiles, potentially nuclear armed
48:08
Tomahawk missiles, to Ukraine? Listen to this.
48:13
Do they want to have Tomahawks going in their direction?
48:16
I don't think so. I think I might speak to Russia
48:18
about that. No fairness.
48:20
I told that to President Zelensky because Tomahawks are a
48:24
new step of aggression, right? You understand that very well.
48:30
Are you saying that you will speak to Putin first?
48:33
About time I talk to him. I might say, look, this war is
48:36
not going to get settled. I'm going to send them
48:38
Tomahawks. I may send that.
48:40
The tomahawk is a an incredible weapon, very offensive weapon.
48:45
And honestly, Russia does not need that.
48:48
They don't need that. Yeah, I might tell them.
48:49
That if the war is not settled, that we may very well do.
48:55
We may not, but we may do it. I think it's appropriate to
48:58
bring up my first question to you there is he's saying we
49:03
might tell Russia this. Has he not just told Russia that
49:05
by by making a statement in front of for the TV cameras I
49:07
mean. It's so vaudevillian at this
49:10
point. So, so, but but what he's saying
49:12
is serious. He's saying that we're we're
49:14
going to escalate and that's how we're going to negotiate with
49:17
the Russians is through threats and military escalations.
49:21
But let me just ask you one more question.
49:23
Is the Tomahawk not just the latest equivalent, similar to
49:27
the F16? It's a it's a weapon that the
49:29
Ukrainians can't use. Yeah.
49:30
So where does that leave us? Is it just?
49:32
Is it just nonsense again? Spot on.
49:34
It's it's exactly like the F16. You remember all the furor of
49:38
oh, once Zelensky gets those F sixteens then everything is
49:41
going to change. Then it was once he gets the
49:43
attackers and is once he gets the storm shadows and it's so on
49:46
and so forth. So the only danger here is
49:48
Russia's made some very strong statement about US involvement
49:52
in deploying Tomahawks, especially on Ukrainian soil.
49:56
And we'll get to that in a moment.
49:58
But in the meantime, let's look at this story here.
50:01
So escalation is definitely the policy.
50:04
Now, Ukraine, Russia latest US tells NATO to boost firepower
50:08
ahead of Trump Szalinski meeting here.
50:12
This is from the Independent. Now give a shout out to Sam
50:14
Kiley here, this commentator for The Independent.
50:17
I was very impressed with the analysis, much more even handed
50:21
than we've seen previously. So I'm I'm a credit where
50:24
credit's due. I was very impressed with that.
50:27
So so now Pete Hegseth is basically the alpha dog of the
50:31
Trump administration. He changed it to the Department
50:34
of War. Now no longer the Department of
50:36
Defense, now to the Department of War.
50:38
And here's Hegseth. Listen to this.
50:40
The language is just shocked. All countries need to translate
50:44
goals into guns, commitments into capabilities and pledges.
50:50
Into power, That's all that matters.
50:53
Hard power. It's the only thing belligerents
50:56
actually respect. Your continued investment and
51:00
leadership are vital to helping Ukraine defend itself and to
51:03
bring an end to. This conflict peace through
51:07
strength now if this war does not end, if there is no path to
51:12
peace in the short term, then the United States, along with
51:15
our allies, will take the steps necessary to impose costs on
51:18
Russia for its continued. Aggression.
51:22
If we must take this step, the US War Department stands ready
51:26
to do our part in ways that only the United States can do.
51:31
This is not a war that started on President Trump's watch, but
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it will end on his watch. It may end on his watch in a, in
51:39
a nuclear war, we'll all end on Trump's watch with that type of
51:43
rhetoric. So he's saying that peace
51:45
through strength. What a ridiculous trope.
51:47
This is straight out of 1 of Mussolini's Mussolini's speeches
51:50
or a Hitler's speech. Peace through strength.
51:52
And we'll end this in only the way that the US can.
51:56
What exactly does he mean there, Mike?
51:59
What? How?
52:00
How does the US plan to end the conflict if it's not
52:03
diplomatically, militarily, How are they meant to do that
52:06
against a nuclear superpower in the Russian Federation?
52:10
I'm confused. Nukes.
52:13
Well, yeah, basically. So by saying what he said, the
52:16
only hard power can solve this and deal with belligerents, Pete
52:21
Hegseth in the United States are then basically showing that they
52:24
are the belligerents because only belligerents speak like
52:28
this in in the international system and throughout history.
52:32
So they can't erase millennia of military and political history
52:38
and all of the lessons we've learned.
52:40
Clearly, not everybody's learned them.
52:42
But this wall can't be erased just because Donald Trump
52:44
appeared on the scene 9 or 10 months ago.
52:47
So absolutely unbelievable. And then now this clip.
52:49
Here's Mark Rutte, the empty suit from Brussels, and Pete
52:54
Hagseth, the greased grease, the greasy haired DoD head, former
53:01
Fox News weekend host. Listen to this.
53:05
Firepower, that's what is coming.
53:07
We expect it is coming from NATO.
53:10
And it was a historic summit just a couple of months ago
53:13
brought about by leadership of President Trump to say we need
53:17
our allies to step up and and they did and they have in those
53:20
commitments now. Those commitments will soon
53:23
translate into capabilities, which is the most important
53:26
aspect of it. And one part of that, of course,
53:29
is Pearl, is the initiative where European countries buy US
53:34
weapons, transfer to NATO for the fight in Ukraine to bring
53:38
peace to that conflict. And if there's anything we've
53:40
learned under President Trump is the active application of peace.
53:46
Through. Strength.
53:47
You get peace. When you are strong, not when
53:50
you use strong words. Or.
53:53
Wag your finger. You get it when you have strong
53:55
and real capabilities that adversaries respect.
54:01
So the guy talking there is a Army reservist or reservist who
54:06
attained the highest rank of major and he was a guard at
54:09
Gitmo and he's running the trillion dollar a year Pentagon.
54:13
I mean, how did that happen? I'll tell you how that happened.
54:15
Mary Madelson and Benjamin Netanyahu, that's how that
54:19
happened. So let's just move on very
54:21
quickly here. This is the Ukrainian
54:25
leadership. We'll go back here.
54:27
Ukraine delegations invited Raytheon and Lockheed, the
54:31
manufacturers of the Tomahawk missile.
54:34
And we'll go to this is Andre Yermak, Zelensky's brain, and
54:37
he's tweeted out all the details of this.
54:40
And of course, they put this snazzy social media video here.
54:43
I'll, I'll spare the audience the, the audio, the dodgy Euro
54:47
techno soundtrack, but it's pretty gaudy nonetheless.
54:51
They're sort of really playing this one up that the US defense
54:55
contractors over there pressing the palms with the Ukrainians on
54:58
this. So it's all about the Tomahawk
55:00
hyping the next generation of wonder weapons that's going to
55:04
supposedly turn the tide of the conflict here.
55:08
But here's what broke today. This is important.
55:11
Now this is the Financial Times. And they they're saying, what
55:13
are the US Tomahawk missiles Trump is considering for
55:17
Ukraine. But there's some interesting
55:18
details in this story. This could also change the
55:22
discussion right here. Ukrainian troops will not be
55:25
trained to operate these Tomahawk missiles, according to
55:29
a source talking to the FT. And they go on, US contractors
55:34
will operate Tomahawk missiles in Ukraine.
55:36
Now that violates the red line drawn by Putin just last week.
55:41
So it's right there in the FT. So decent piece of journalism
55:45
here citing a NATO military officials and they're saying the
55:49
missiles will complement what Ukraine has already achieved
55:54
with drones. So, Mike, I, I think that the
55:56
the whole Tomahawk thing, it looks more like a sort of public
56:00
relations campaign to keep people interested in supporting
56:04
this disastrous failing proxy war project in Ukraine.
56:08
That's what it looks like, but over to you.
56:11
OK, thank you Patrick for that. Now let's come back to the UK
56:14
then. And MI 5's National Protective
56:16
Security Authority has issued new security guidance in order
56:21
to protect democratic institutions from espionage and
56:25
foreign interference. Those are the words.
56:27
The guidance outlines how state backed actors and their proxies
56:31
attempt to manipulate, discredit or secretly gather information
56:34
on political figures at all levels.
56:36
This is done through subtle and deceptive means that blur the
56:39
line between management, sorry engagement and malign activity.
56:44
So that's that's what they say about it now.
56:47
This is supposed to help MPs, House of Lords, Peers,
56:51
councillors, parliamentary staff, candidates understand the
56:55
threats they face from foreign actors and take simple,
56:58
effective steps to protect themselves, their teams and the
57:01
integrity of the UK's democracy. They.
57:05
Didn't mention normal people though.
57:06
Like what about the dust men? The milkmen?
57:09
Cashier workers? How do they protect themselves
57:11
from disinformation and interference?
57:13
By watching the UK column. But that's another question.
57:16
So sorry, that's what they say. So.
57:17
So let's translate what that meant.
57:19
It means that you, the people that are on the receiving end of
57:22
this as politicians, candidates and whatnot, can safely ignore
57:25
the majority of opposition to your policies by writing it off
57:30
as foreign interference. That's basically what that all
57:32
means. Now, alongside this, of course,
57:35
is the alleged Chinese spying scandal.
57:38
As if China, Russia, Iran, Britain, United States and EU
57:41
aren't spying on each other all the time.
57:43
I mean, it is ridiculous. But anyway, Deputy National
57:47
Security Adviser Matthew Collins said that China represents the
57:52
biggest state based threat to the country's economic security.
57:55
Well, of course it does, because China is producing stuff and
57:58
we're not. So of course, of course it is in
58:01
that sense. But anyway, not quite in the
58:02
sense he meant. Starmer ordered the publication
58:05
of the the witness statements. This is after Wednesday's Prime
58:10
Minister questions when Kemi Bennock accused him of covering
58:13
up why the case against two alleged spies collapsed.
58:17
The Crime Prosecution Service is supposed to.
58:21
It's claimed that they dropped the case after deciding the
58:24
evidence did not show that China was a national security threat.
58:28
Well, maybe the CPS was dropping the case in a similar way that
58:32
they dropped a case against Savile.
58:33
I I don't know, I mean that that may be completely wrong.
58:36
But anyway, coming back to the. Sometimes these cases get lost.
58:39
Well, indeed, yes, coming back to the MI 5 advice, the question
58:45
that it it covers things like what should you look out for?
58:47
And they talk about elicitation, cultivation, blackmail, online
58:51
approaches, financial donations, cyber compromises and so on.
58:55
But the best is disinformation, because the example they cite it
58:59
is one that Patrick and I covered at the time in 2022.
59:05
Let's just remind ourselves. Who can forget this was just a
59:09
classic moment. Play it.
59:21
But that's his defense secretary's office.
59:22
Can I just check who you've got on the line please?
59:24
Yes, sure. We'll just we are on the line.
59:26
Do you hear me? Thank you.
59:30
Yeah, I can hear you loud and clear if you just bear with us
59:32
while the Defence secretary joins us.
59:33
Thank you. Yeah, we're, we will.
59:36
Be we will switch. On our camera, When we will be,
59:40
when we will see. Understood.
59:42
No problem. Thank you.
59:43
Hello. Hello.
59:45
How are you there? I'm fine, I'm in Poland.
59:51
OK, yes, I know. So, dear Secretary, it's.
59:55
My pleasure, I I've visited you 5 times over the last five
1:00:00
years, so I'm determined to keep more and more supplies coming to
1:00:06
you. I can't say where I've been, but
1:00:09
I've just been. To look at.
1:00:10
More of our anti air capacity to give you and making sure that we
1:00:15
are getting it into the country as quickly as possible so you
1:00:21
know that Russia demands to. To leave ideas of NATO joining.
1:00:31
So what's what do you think? Because I don't think Russia
1:00:35
should be able to demand anything other than going home.
1:00:40
Yeah, of course I know that. I'm two things.
1:00:43
I've just been looking at our new anti air missile that we're
1:00:46
sending you, which is better than Stinger.
1:00:49
It'll work at night. It's a very, very fast missile.
1:00:53
And it will help close the skies to Russian aircraft, I think.
1:01:00
Now, just in case you're not sure what that was, that was
1:01:03
Vova and Alexis, the the Russian pranksters who absolutely got
1:01:07
the then Defence Secretary Ben Wallace.
1:01:11
And the thing was in the course of that, if you watch the whole
1:01:13
thing, in the course of that, he hemorrhaged intelligence
1:01:16
information to effectively. And and The thing is that was
1:01:21
not disinformation. That was Ben Wallace telling it
1:01:24
as it was. So I understand why MI 5 might
1:01:28
be suggesting people you don't want to get caught out by Vovan
1:01:30
and Lexus, but it still happens. And I think Samantha Parr was
1:01:33
just done a few weeks ago, so you know.
1:01:36
If ITV did it, it wouldn't be disinformation.
1:01:38
If Channel 4 did it, it wouldn't be disinformation.
1:01:42
If it was Graham Norton doing it for the BBC, it would be fine.
1:01:46
But because the Russians did it, Mike, it's suddenly
1:01:49
disinformation. But they're very clear and
1:01:51
transparent about what their role is as pranksters.
1:01:55
I will argue lastly, Mike, that Vovin and Lexus is one of the
1:01:58
most lethal weapons in Russias. Quite possibly.
1:02:03
Well, well, look, we've got to leave it there for today.
1:02:04
I'm going to say thank you very much to Mark and to Basil
1:02:07
Valentine for joining us. And to you, of course, Patrick.
1:02:11
We've got a little bit to discuss in extra, including Ron
1:02:14
Paul and what he's been doing recently.
1:02:17
But let's leave it for a few minutes.
1:02:19
If you're AUK column member, join us for that.
1:02:21
Otherwise, we will see you again on Monday.
1:02:24
Hope you have a great time if you come and join us in New York
1:02:27
or on the live stream and you'll be in in London at the digital
1:02:33
ID thing perhaps. Yeah, we'll see.
1:02:34
That should be a good event as. Well, and we'll see you Monday.
1:02:37
See you then. Bye bye.