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Speaker 1: Ay thirty here fifty five KRCD talk station, A very
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Speaker 1: happy Tuesday made even that much more special the return
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Speaker 1: of a man My listeners love Mark Levin the most
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Speaker 1: one of the most widely read offers in the nation.
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Speaker 1: Seven consecutive number one New York Times bestseller. You probably
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Speaker 1: get them and share them with your friends. And another
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Speaker 1: book for your reading list, the one we're going to
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Speaker 1: be talking about today. And welcome to the fifty five
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Speaker 1: krse Mark Levin to talk about your new book, Boy,
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Speaker 1: you pulled no punches on the title The Democrat Party
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Speaker 1: Hates America. Welcome back to the fifty five krc Morning Show.
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Speaker 2: Sir.
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Speaker 3: I think it was Jesse Jackson who said the truth
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Speaker 3: shall set you free.
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Speaker 4: Yah.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, thank you.
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Speaker 1: How I am doing well and I'm so pleased to
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Speaker 1: see you've got this this book. And early in the
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Speaker 1: program we were supposed to be a guest on Gaye against Grimmers.
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Speaker 1: It's organization that does not like this whole idea of
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Speaker 1: our children being sexualized and being an indoctrinate in the
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Speaker 1: name of the LGBTQ alphabet salad. My perception of that
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Speaker 1: is in an effort to and I know you deal
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Speaker 1: with a nuclear family in your book, but to not
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Speaker 1: only undermine the nuclear family, take parents out of the equation,
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Speaker 1: but also to undermine religious philosophy. I mean, we have
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Speaker 1: the free exercise religion right in this country, and that
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Speaker 1: includes all different forms of doctrinal, dogmatic belief systems. But
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Speaker 1: the left hates the belief in God. It is a
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Speaker 1: higher power than the state. Marxist hate religion. This is
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Speaker 1: an effort to eradicate religion. My perception yours, sir, Have
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Speaker 1: I got a right?
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Speaker 3: I think you're one hundred percent right, because it's really indistinguishable,
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Speaker 3: isn't it. I mean faith, all faiths almost. I think
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Speaker 3: I'll do stress the family structure, the nuclear family. They
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Speaker 3: all reject the perversion that our children are being taught
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Speaker 3: in our schools, and they're putting books in their libraries
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Speaker 3: with the graphics and everything else. And as I say,
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Speaker 3: there's an entire chapter on this in the book, because
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Speaker 3: I think it's so very important. Wrote about it in
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Speaker 3: the Communist manifesto. You have to destroy the nuclear fam
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Speaker 3: I mean you have to destroy faith. Why because they
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Speaker 3: create a belief system, a social structure that emphasizes a
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Speaker 3: belief in something other than mankind and government. Okay, well,
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Speaker 3: what is Marxism about? And frankly, what's the Democrat Party about?
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Speaker 3: Centralized government ruled by men, not by buide laws. And
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Speaker 3: so it's very important to me that we discuss these
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Speaker 3: issues now, like children, like parents, like these books and
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Speaker 3: so forth, in the context of the Democrat part I'll
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Speaker 3: give you an example. Is there a single top Democrat
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Speaker 3: that opposes what's taking place in our classrooms? Can you
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Speaker 3: think of one? I can't think of a single one.
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Speaker 3: Is there a single national Democrat at any level who
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Speaker 3: stands up for the parents against But these these government
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Speaker 3: bureaucracies are doing in public schools are government bureaucracies to
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Speaker 3: our children?
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Speaker 5: Not one.
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Speaker 3: In fact, they talk about book parning and removing books.
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Speaker 3: So we're removing pornography, We're removing things from our libraries
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Speaker 3: that should never have been put there in the first place.
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Speaker 3: And so we plead guilly to that. But the nuclear
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Speaker 3: family is critical, and it's critical that it be destroyed
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Speaker 3: if your goal is to look the Democrat Party. The
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Speaker 3: point of the book is the Democrat Party is not
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Speaker 3: a typical party. It's about time when we discuss all
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Speaker 3: these issues we explain that this is the political and
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Speaker 3: cultural entity that is behind all of it. The teachers' unions,
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Speaker 3: whether it's in the classroom or whether it's two and
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Speaker 3: a half million precinct workers, are an appendage of the
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Speaker 3: Democrat Party. The massive bureaucracy was mostly built by the
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Speaker 3: Democrat Party. We're gonna have a government shutdown in five days,
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Speaker 3: essentially because the Crap Party wants more money, more personnel
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Speaker 3: going into its fourth branch of government, and it will
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Speaker 3: do anything necessary. They don't care who they hurt to
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Speaker 3: empower it and expand it, so it is ubiquitous. All
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Speaker 3: these laws are about appliances in our home and so
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Speaker 3: called equity, and all the rest of it's coming into
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Speaker 3: the bureaucracy in executive orders by the President of the
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Speaker 3: United States. Nobody's voted for this stuff. They undermine representative government,
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Speaker 3: they undermine the Supreme Court. They undermine our sovereignty and
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Speaker 3: our immigration system. They're undermining capitalism and the value of
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Speaker 3: our currency. They're undermining local law enforcement. They're packing the
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Speaker 3: courts with radical left wing quite frankly political bomb throwers,
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Speaker 3: and so you know, start writing this essay the title
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Speaker 3: if the Democrat Party loves America, they have a funny
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Speaker 3: way of showing it.
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Speaker 6: Good point.
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Speaker 1: Well, it is a common trend by the left across
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Speaker 1: this land of our sewing division everywhere, at any turn,
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Speaker 1: on any subject matter. And this all seems to be
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Speaker 1: to just simply effectively undermine everyone's faith in the concept
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Speaker 1: of America. I mean, even the flag itself is now
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Speaker 1: a symbol of division, where at least, at some point,
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Speaker 1: even in my life, sir, you could look at the
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Speaker 1: flag and at least say, well, it stands for freedom,
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Speaker 1: and that includes my right to my belief systems and
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Speaker 1: my religion and how I want to raise my children.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, if you want to be a weirdo over
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Speaker 1: there and raise your children differently, we all are under
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Speaker 1: the banner of freedom. Well, no longer that is not
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Speaker 1: going to work from the left. You must abide by
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Speaker 1: their set of principles or you will be ostracized.
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Speaker 3: We're in the middle of a revolution and people don't
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Speaker 3: want to call things what they are. I call things
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Speaker 3: what they are. I'm not a politician, I'm not running
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Speaker 3: for off as none of us are. Radio well some are,
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Speaker 3: I guess, but we're not. And so the truth is
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Speaker 3: very very important for people to understand. We're in the
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Speaker 3: middle of a revolution that seeks to destroy our sovereignty,
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Speaker 3: in the nature of citizenry, the nuclear family, that seeks
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Speaker 3: to turn race against race, economic even like classes one
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Speaker 3: against the other. And this is what the American Marxists do.
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Speaker 3: The Progressive Era was nothing more than a Marxist movement
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Speaker 3: that was Americanized fifty years forty years really after Marx
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Speaker 3: wrote the Communist Manifestment, and they run a lot more
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Speaker 3: than that, but that's sort of his highlight. And so
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Speaker 3: this party has never accepted America. Even before the Civil
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Speaker 3: War was not just a war over slavery and whether
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Speaker 3: we keep the unit, was a war between the Republican
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Speaker 3: Party and the Democrat Party. And since then they've still
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Speaker 3: been a war with the country. They've never accepted Americanism.
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Speaker 3: They don't accept the idea of unalienable rights. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you have presidents who read the Declaration from Obama through Biden,
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Speaker 3: Democrats who rewrite the Declaration of Independence because it takes
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Speaker 3: the word our Creator in other words of that sort
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Speaker 3: out of the Declaration of Independence, and they don't agree
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Speaker 3: with it. The Constitution has always been considered the obstacle
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Speaker 3: to what the radical left wants to do. Then that
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Speaker 3: is the Democrat Party. That's why they lie about the
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Speaker 3: fourteenth Amendment. They attack free speech, they attack free exercise
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Speaker 3: of religion, they attack the Second Amendment, do process rights.
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Speaker 3: I could go on and on and on. That's why
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Speaker 3: they push the sixteen to nineteen projects CRT. But I
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Speaker 3: think what's important about this book is I give it
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Speaker 3: real substance of history. I explain the ideology. I explain
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Speaker 3: their tactics. Because we talk almost in a vacuum about
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Speaker 3: look at the border, look at this and the Democrats opposed. Well,
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Speaker 3: if we really comprehend that this is more than a
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Speaker 3: political party, it is an autocratic party like they have
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Speaker 3: in Marxists and Fascists and other autocratic regimes. There understanding
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Speaker 3: of what we're talking about this party. You got to
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Speaker 3: look at this party through the lens of power. They
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Speaker 3: know what they're doing with the border open. They don't
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Speaker 3: give a damn about Democrats in New York whinding because
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Speaker 3: they know they're going to get their votes anyway.
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Speaker 7: It's simple.
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Speaker 3: They want to turn Texas blue. Then Republicans can't win
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Speaker 3: even under the electoral college. Ever, that's why they want
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Speaker 3: to change the election laws and have proposed it multiple
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Speaker 3: times in the House to basically give us California's election
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Speaker 3: system where Republicans can never live a win. And I
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Speaker 3: explained in the book that it's much like these other
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Speaker 3: parties in other countries where you have a monopoly party,
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Speaker 3: a state party. In effect, sure, they're happy to run
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Speaker 3: against another party as long as that party is so
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Speaker 3: weak and so incapable of winning because the conditions have
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Speaker 3: been made impossible for that party to win. Then they
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Speaker 3: call themselves a democracy, which they always do. Then they
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Speaker 3: can claim they're working on behalf to the people, that
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Speaker 3: they have a mandate, which they always claim when they're
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Speaker 3: completely the opposite. And you know, here's the deal. It's
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Speaker 3: very hard to really explain this book in ten minutes,
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Speaker 3: which I have to do. And you're fantastic, gut get
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Speaker 3: me wrong. It's just not possible.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, well, we'll grab it, Mark Levin. It'll be number
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Speaker 1: eight in a string of best sellers. Everyone's going to
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Speaker 1: understand in order to fight back. Mark Levin, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being a wonderful guide and teacher in helping America
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Speaker 1: understand the terrible direction this country is going and the
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Speaker 1: motivation behind it. You are just the best. And thanks
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Speaker 1: for coming on the program to talk about it.
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Speaker 3: And you're terrific generous with your time. I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: And congratulations when when they.
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Speaker 7: Win on.
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Speaker 1: Finally, thank you Mark for that as well. God bless you, sir.
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Speaker 1: Ato six fifty five KRCD talk Station, A very happy
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Speaker 1: Thursday to you. I've been looking forward to this moment
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Speaker 1: since I Well got the new book. Bill O'Reilly a
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Speaker 1: man who needs no introduction. Everybody's read his multiple books.
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Speaker 1: An amazing author he is, and he's got eighteen national
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Speaker 1: number one best selling non fiction book soon to be
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Speaker 1: nineteen another new book in the Killing series, all of
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Speaker 1: which have been fantastic. This book, Killing the Witches a
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Speaker 1: wonderful read. Welcome back, Bill, O'Reilly, to the fifty five
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Speaker 1: KRS Morning show. I thoroughly enjoyed this book, my friend.
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for reading it, Brian, I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: How are you doing, I'm doing really well. And your books.
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Speaker 1: You can't put your books down. I read it in thirds.
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Speaker 1: I got a third way through. I had to take
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Speaker 1: a break. I came back the next day, got a
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Speaker 1: third done, finish it up. It's just such a fascinating read,
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Speaker 1: well documented history. And you start with the establishment of
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Speaker 1: the colonies. We're talking about witches, and it starts off
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Speaker 1: with the first section on the Salem witch trials. I
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Speaker 1: was screaming due process at the top by Lungs Bill.
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Speaker 1: These witch trials were absolute insanity.
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Speaker 4: And twenty people were executed and another two hundred and
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Speaker 4: fifty put in prison under false allegations. And that's why
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Speaker 4: Brian I wrote the book, because we are in the
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Speaker 4: age now of the witch hunt. Yes, and at the
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Speaker 4: end of Killing Whiches, we get into that on how
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Speaker 4: accusations in America now are convictions and people's lives are
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Speaker 4: being ruined and this cancel culture is running wild. So
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Speaker 4: it's very relevant to today. And I'm happy you read
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Speaker 4: the book. Because Americans, most of them are busy, are
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Speaker 4: looking out for your family, trying to you know, put
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Speaker 4: together a good life, and you lose sight of why
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Speaker 4: your country is the way it is. And like, for example,
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Speaker 4: I put you on a mayflower sixty six days from Plymouth,
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Speaker 4: England to Cape Cough. Well, you don't want to be
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Speaker 4: on that boat, no, I mean that was a horrendous journey.
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Speaker 4: And people think Thanksgiving co goes past the stuffing. No,
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Speaker 4: it was. And I think it's important that Americans understand
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Speaker 4: how their country came to be and the good things
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Speaker 4: about it and the bad things about it.
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Speaker 1: Well, in the profound effect that those sale and witch
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Speaker 1: trials had on the founding of our country. As the
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Speaker 1: colonies developed, there were so many different religions. You of
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Speaker 1: course had the Anglican Church Church of England and established church,
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Speaker 1: and that obviously created a rebellious component along with the taxation.
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Speaker 1: The Anglican Church taxed everyone as a member of the church,
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Speaker 1: whether or not you went to church. That really, if
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Speaker 1: I may be so bold in using this language, pissed
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Speaker 1: a lot of people off.
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Speaker 4: Well, and they didn't have the money, right, and then
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Speaker 4: if you didn't have the money, they would come in
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Speaker 4: and take your stuff. Yeah, so it was it was
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Speaker 4: like communism. What the crown set up was a theocracy
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Speaker 4: in America, the New World who was called then, whereby
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Speaker 4: you had to be a member of the Church of England,
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Speaker 4: as you pointed out, the Anglican Church. But even worse
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Speaker 4: than that, or the dissenters who didn't want to be
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Speaker 4: they turned into religious zealous and started killing people because
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Speaker 4: little girls that drove this witch hunt stuff would accuse
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Speaker 4: adults of whatever. Yeah he wanted me to sign the
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Speaker 4: Devil's book, or he came in the night and hurt me,
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Speaker 4: or whatever it may be. And then you said, oh, okay,
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Speaker 4: get the rope.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, appeared to me in the form of an animal
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Speaker 1: and spoke. You know, these young girls, these are young
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Speaker 1: girls or teenagers. Basically, they go into court, they make
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Speaker 1: these accusations. They had these fake hissy fits like they've
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Speaker 1: been been possessed. While these folks are on trial, all
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Speaker 1: of this is admissible in court and cannot be refuted
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Speaker 1: by the person in the chair. And weirdly enough, Bill O'Reilly,
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Speaker 1: as you point out over and over again, the easiest
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Speaker 1: way out of getting avoiding being killed by these trials
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Speaker 1: was to admit to being a witch.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if the people figured it out, because
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Speaker 4: they would be told, hey, if you admit it, then
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Speaker 4: we're not going to kill you. Might keep you in
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Speaker 4: jail for a few months, but you'll keep your life.
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Speaker 4: And then of course people are going to do that.
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Speaker 4: But here's another thing that we found out that I
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Speaker 4: didn't even know that there were good people in Salem
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Speaker 4: in New England who didn't want this, who knew that
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Speaker 4: this was murder. But if they said anything, if they objected,
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Speaker 4: they themselves were accused of being a witch. And today
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Speaker 4: in the cancel culture, if you stick up for somebody
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Speaker 4: who's accused just by saying, hey, you know, let's give
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Speaker 4: the person do process, as you pointed out, Ryan, then
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Speaker 4: they're going to turn their guns on you. Yes, the
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Speaker 4: cancel culture people, we'll see and try to destroy you.
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Speaker 4: So we have to deal with this in America. We
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Speaker 4: have to stop this. And I think after people reading
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Speaker 4: Killing the Witches, which is I think number five on
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Speaker 4: Amazon right now, it's rocketing, it is, they're gonna say,
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Speaker 4: you know this, this whole cancel culture nonsense. We got
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Speaker 4: to get rid of this because it's really hurting the country.
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Speaker 1: And I can hear a leftist right now saying, yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: that's because of religion, and religion was used to obtain,
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Speaker 1: you know, a political advantage, to settle scores, to get
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Speaker 1: rid of enemies, in the name of accusing someone to
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Speaker 1: being a witch, we need to get rid of religion.
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Speaker 1: You kind of deal with that throughout the colonial period
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Speaker 1: with Ben Franklin and his sort of you know, vacillations
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Speaker 1: between being religious and not being religious, and his you know,
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Speaker 1: exploration of life and observing all that's going around him.
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Speaker 1: But leftism is in and of itself a religion. You
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Speaker 1: have to take a leap of faith to believe in Marxism.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about here. It's that it's
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Speaker 1: political religion in this particular case that leads to the
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Speaker 1: cancel culture.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it has nothing to do with the
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Speaker 4: cancel culture today. It's all ideology, right, And you know,
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Speaker 4: I don't know what he saw it, Brian, but I
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Speaker 4: did an hour interview with Tucker Carson last night and
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Speaker 4: all of your listeners can hear it on ex Twitter
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Speaker 4: or whatever.
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Speaker 8: Is.
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Speaker 4: This whole world escapes me, But I understand about twenty
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Speaker 4: million people saw the interview so far, and we basically
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Speaker 4: go through the fact that now in America, politics is
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Speaker 4: being used to destroy people, just like religion, as you
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Speaker 4: pointed out, was used to destroy people in sixteen ninety two.
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Speaker 4: Now politics is being used and it's absolutely wrong. I mean,
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Speaker 4: it's almost frightening in some cases.
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Speaker 1: What I found in I don't ask you for the
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Speaker 1: explanation just because I was fascinated. Never heard of Ronald Hunkler.
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Speaker 1: So you start out with the you start out with
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Speaker 1: the colonization. You moved through the Ben Franklin history, the
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Speaker 1: establishment of our country, and obviously all of the reasons
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Speaker 1: we have due process and the free exercise because they
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Speaker 1: had lived through all this accusation and cancel culture version
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Speaker 1: or cancel human humanity.
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Speaker 6: Culture.
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Speaker 1: But you move forward to nineteen forty nine and this wild,
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Speaker 1: wild story of Ronald Hunkler, who had never heard of.
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Speaker 1: He was the factual basis for the movie The Exorcist.
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Speaker 1: That was a real story.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I look, the reason that the people in Salem
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Speaker 4: were frightened out of their minds of witches was because
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Speaker 4: witches were in the league of the Devil. So the
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Speaker 4: last part of my book, Killing the witches is contemporary
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Speaker 4: society right now. And the most famous devil intrusion is
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Speaker 4: the Exorcist, first the book than the movie. So we
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Speaker 4: tracked down the thirteen year old Maryland boy who was
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Speaker 4: possessed literally by the devil according to the Catholic Church.
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Speaker 4: And the exorcism was over three months with eight Jesuit
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Speaker 4: priests who took vivid records every day they had to
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Speaker 4: turn into the bishop. What happened that day we got
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Speaker 4: those records. It's absolutely harrowing with this thirteen year old
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Speaker 4: boy went.
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Speaker 6: Through it is.
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Speaker 4: And then we trace him up until his death. What
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Speaker 4: happened to him? And then we take you to the
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Speaker 4: movie set of the movie set of the movie, the
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Speaker 4: Exorcis film, and the director, William Freakin was a pagan.
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Speaker 4: He didn't believe in God or devil or any of that.
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Speaker 4: And what happened when they were shooting the film again,
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Speaker 4: your mouth drops. So I did that to see to
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Speaker 4: people this satan which thing is still tier it is,
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Speaker 4: And everybody's got to make up their own mind about
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Speaker 4: what they believe.
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Speaker 1: One sentence from your book, if you'll indulge, or two
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Speaker 1: sentences from your book, if you'll indulge me. The two exorcists,
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Speaker 1: Fathers William Boudern and Father Raymond Bishop, they were there.
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Speaker 1: They lived long enough to see their exploits on film.
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Speaker 1: You write they will attend the premiere quietly admitting that
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Speaker 1: the terrors on the screen are far less scary than
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Speaker 1: what actually happened and is so well documented. That was
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Speaker 1: mind blowing to me.
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Speaker 6: Bill.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's the crux of this book,
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Speaker 4: that you're going to learn a lot of stuff. It's
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Speaker 4: fun to read, as you pointed out, and once again,
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Speaker 4: I really appreciate you reading it, Brian. That's what radio
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Speaker 4: and television interviewers should do, should know what they're talking about.
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Speaker 4: But people getting killing the Witches. It's a fun read
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Speaker 4: in the sense that you're going to be engaged, but
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Speaker 4: you're going to learn a lot and it's the best
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Speaker 4: Halloween book on earth. With apologies to Edgar.
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Speaker 1: Allan Poe another one, phil O'Reilly you knocked it out
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Speaker 1: Welcome Tom clay to talk about Follow Me to Hell,
21:03
Speaker 1: mcnelly's Texas Rangers and the rise of Frontier Justice.
21:06
Speaker 6: Great to have you back on the show.
21:08
Speaker 8: Tom, Good morning, Thanks for having me back.
21:11
Speaker 1: Now, I guess context is really important. We're gonna we're
21:14
Speaker 1: gonna take you're taking the readers back to the eighteen
21:16
Speaker 1: seventies Texas, and I think it's important to sort of
21:20
Speaker 1: because we lose sight of how really wild the wild
21:24
Speaker 1: West was. I mean, law enforcement is an evolution during
21:27
Speaker 1: our building of the country over the last two hundred
21:30
Speaker 1: and fifty years. We didn't always have a cop on
21:32
Speaker 1: a corner. There wasn't always a courthouse down the end
21:34
Speaker 1: of the road. There wasn't a prosecutor. People were sort
21:36
Speaker 1: of I guess in many many cases left to their
21:39
Speaker 1: own devices on law enforcement? Is that sort of an
21:42
Speaker 1: accurate description Tom.
21:45
Speaker 8: Law enforcement and the justice system. I mean law enforcement
21:48
Speaker 8: in the sense that you only had so many sheriffs marshalls,
21:51
Speaker 8: deputy marshalls, and sheriff's deputy shriff's to go around. And
21:54
Speaker 8: even when you apprehended somebody, that might not be a
21:57
Speaker 8: courthouse for one hundred miles, or it might be the
22:00
Speaker 8: judge may only be there one weekend of the month,
22:01
Speaker 8: and the judge might be somebody's got a full time
22:04
Speaker 8: job as a rancher, but he's a part time judge.
22:06
Speaker 8: Oh wow, So yes, we sort of take for granted,
22:08
Speaker 8: we've always had these frontier justice systems, but it was
22:12
Speaker 8: it was pretty much uh for a long time. And
22:15
Speaker 8: part of my book discussed as part of certainly in Texas,
22:18
Speaker 8: it was a long it was a long time before
22:19
Speaker 8: they had any kind of system they could enforce the law.
22:21
Speaker 1: Well in, anybody who's listening to you right now goes, well, yeah,
22:24
Speaker 1: I guess that can lead to a lot of abuses
22:27
Speaker 1: of the justice system. I mean, if you're out there
22:29
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere and you're going to have
22:30
Speaker 1: to either hang on to a prisoner until the judge
22:33
Speaker 1: maybe comes in once a month, you're probably going to
22:35
Speaker 1: dispense justice on your own, and that results in a
22:37
Speaker 1: lot of people getting six feet under as a consequence
22:40
Speaker 1: of being caught.
22:42
Speaker 8: Well, there there was something a certain policy I shouldn't
22:45
Speaker 8: say policy, but there's a certain practice that you know,
22:48
Speaker 8: it was called the fugitive law or something like that,
22:51
Speaker 8: that somebody's president ended up dead and the official story
22:55
Speaker 8: would be, well, I tried to escape. You know, it
22:57
Speaker 8: could be that just that they didn't have the time
22:59
Speaker 8: or the need to bring them one hundred miles or
23:01
Speaker 8: whatever it's necessary to bring them in and they would
23:03
Speaker 8: be the lawman, the frontier lawman would be judging jury
23:06
Speaker 8: right there.
23:07
Speaker 1: Filling out the paperwork. Now we can't decide whether he
23:09
Speaker 1: committed suicide or was shot while trying to escape, reminding
23:12
Speaker 1: me of Casabarca. Well, okay, And then I guess at
23:16
Speaker 1: some point did the authority that the Texas Rangers were
23:19
Speaker 1: quote unquote formed, And I kind of want you to
23:21
Speaker 1: address that just a little bit. Did the authority for
23:24
Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers and this evolving group that is the
23:28
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers. Did it come from the state where they
23:31
Speaker 1: authorized within certain parameters or maybe unlimited authority to go
23:35
Speaker 1: out and catch bad guys.
23:38
Speaker 8: Well, being authorized was kind of sporadic, you know. The
23:41
Speaker 8: I should mention that the Texas Rangers this year, in
23:43
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three, are celebrating the Advice Centennial, which is
23:47
Speaker 8: pretty remarkable to have a law enforcement agency that's been
23:49
Speaker 8: that durable. I mean, the FBI, for example, is only
23:51
Speaker 8: about one hundred years old. So in the beginning, in
23:55
Speaker 8: the first few decades. Really, when Stephen Austin first called
23:58
Speaker 8: the Rangers together in eighteen twenty two, they were authorized
24:01
Speaker 8: only for you know, whatever urgent need was you know,
24:04
Speaker 8: there was an attack on a village and they had
24:06
Speaker 8: to come you know, gather enough for enough men to
24:09
Speaker 8: deal with that, or there was the border crossings that
24:11
Speaker 8: were illegal and they had to go seal off the
24:13
Speaker 8: border whatever they could. It really wasn't until after the
24:16
Speaker 8: Civil War that the state of Texas fully authorized a
24:20
Speaker 8: what they called the Frontier Battalion, which was the Texas Rangers.
24:23
Speaker 8: And the other thing they did that was equally, if
24:25
Speaker 8: not more important, is they budgeted for it. You know,
24:28
Speaker 8: in the past, a lot of times Texas Rangers and
24:29
Speaker 8: companies were just you know, dissolved because nobody's getting paid.
24:33
Speaker 8: And it really wasn'tntil after the Civil War that they
24:35
Speaker 8: budgeted so that they could have a Texas Rangers agency
24:39
Speaker 8: that was always on call, always available, and these guys
24:41
Speaker 8: were getting paid. They became professional lawmen.
24:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of kind of right, the evolution of
24:45
Speaker 1: the militia. I mean, you want to take care of
24:47
Speaker 1: your neighborhood and your region of your state, and then
24:49
Speaker 1: you formed a militia with your fellow farmers or people
24:52
Speaker 1: who lived there, and you just handle law enforcement kind
24:54
Speaker 1: of like a volunteer fire department. Then you went back
24:56
Speaker 1: to your life. This is a full time job, I
24:58
Speaker 1: guess by the time. Let is it Leander McNelly. Leander
25:04
Speaker 1: Leander McNelly And where did.
25:07
Speaker 6: He come from?
25:08
Speaker 1: And obviously the name of the book following to hell
25:11
Speaker 1: mcneely's Texas Rangers in the Rise of Frontier Justice. Who
25:14
Speaker 1: was this Leander mcnellly.
25:16
Speaker 8: Well, he was originally his family was originally from Virginia
25:19
Speaker 8: and he moved to Texas when he was still a
25:21
Speaker 8: very young man. I think he was only eleven or twelve,
25:24
Speaker 8: and he his brother had established a farm there and
25:27
Speaker 8: so he was part of, you know, what was happening
25:29
Speaker 8: a lot in the pre Civil War. People were coming
25:32
Speaker 8: from elsewhere in the country to settle Texas because land
25:35
Speaker 8: was cheap and there's a lot of it. And the
25:37
Speaker 8: McNelly family he was one of those people and he
25:39
Speaker 8: joined when the Civil War broke out. He was only
25:41
Speaker 8: seventeen years old. He enlisted LA A couple of years
25:44
Speaker 8: later he was the captain of a scouting company. He
25:46
Speaker 8: was this fearless guy that men just seemed to follow him.
25:50
Speaker 8: That's part of the title of the book obviously if
25:53
Speaker 8: they had to. And after the war he became a
25:57
Speaker 8: farmer and part time law enforcement agents. But it was
26:02
Speaker 8: really in the mid eighteen seventies when he became a
26:05
Speaker 8: full time ranger, a Texas Ranger captain, and started on
26:07
Speaker 8: a bunch of adventures which are chronicled in the book,
26:10
Speaker 8: including which you won't find in the textbooks of the
26:12
Speaker 8: Invasion of Mexico only eighteen seventy five.
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Speaker 1: Well, of course you stumbled upon exactly what are want
26:16
Speaker 1: to ask you for. I mean, there's if law enforcement
26:19
Speaker 1: and these are authorized in some respect authorized agents of
26:23
Speaker 1: the state are going into Mexico to recover stolen cattle
26:27
Speaker 1: and get into gunplay, which, as you write about in
26:30
Speaker 1: depth in the book, they did, and they killed a
26:32
Speaker 1: lot of people to get the whatever was stolen or
26:34
Speaker 1: whatever bad guy's back into Texas. That had the potential
26:38
Speaker 1: to start a war.
26:40
Speaker 9: It did.
26:41
Speaker 8: In fact, there's one part, and I don't want to
26:42
Speaker 8: give too much away about this climactic moment of the book,
26:45
Speaker 8: but the mcnellyan his rangers, and there's only like twenty
26:47
Speaker 8: six of them. It's only got this huge force of
26:50
Speaker 8: gunmen following him behind him. But at one point the
26:55
Speaker 8: mcnelly's rangers are on the Mexican side of the Rio
26:57
Speaker 8: Grand they won't leave, and orders come telegraphs from Washington,
27:01
Speaker 8: d C. You could say, from President Elisius Grant himself
27:04
Speaker 8: saying get out of there, either surrender or get back
27:07
Speaker 8: over here to the United States. And McNally says, no,
27:10
Speaker 8: we're not leaving until our objective has meant, which is
27:12
Speaker 8: we got to get the stolen cattleback. So yes, there
27:15
Speaker 8: was a small herd of cows almost started through Mexican
27:18
Speaker 8: American War.
27:19
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like there's a very very fine line
27:22
Speaker 1: between vigilante justice and Texas Ranger justice. I mean you
27:26
Speaker 1: I already suggested, you know what parameters they were operating under,
27:29
Speaker 1: and apparently they were fairly loose and had a lot
27:31
Speaker 1: of leeway and how they went about, you know, bringing
27:34
Speaker 1: about justice in their mind. And I guess it really
27:37
Speaker 1: was what was in their mind given under any given circumstance.
27:42
Speaker 8: Yes, and there's a word you used before evolution, and
27:44
Speaker 8: that's really what happened that, you know, the early Texas
27:46
Speaker 8: Rangers were sort of like militiamen. They formed or to
27:50
Speaker 8: deal with an emergency. That those were elected offices at
27:52
Speaker 8: a lot of discretion as to what they considered justice.
27:55
Speaker 8: Because there was again, there was a very little look
27:57
Speaker 8: in the way of our justice system to go by.
27:59
Speaker 8: And the solution was that they eventually became professionals. They
28:03
Speaker 8: actually had to undergo training, they actually had to enforce
28:05
Speaker 8: the law and not make it up as they went along.
28:07
Speaker 8: So that's how when you look at Texas range of history,
28:09
Speaker 8: all two hundred years of it, it really is a
28:11
Speaker 8: mirror is the evolution of law enforcement and justice system
28:14
Speaker 8: in the United States.
28:16
Speaker 1: How did the Texas Rangers learn about the crimes? And
28:21
Speaker 1: we had no internet then, and I can't remember what
28:23
Speaker 1: year the telegraph was invented, But somehow, some way, in
28:26
Speaker 1: a giant state like Texas, these twenty six thirty guys
28:30
Speaker 1: had to find out who they were after or look at,
28:33
Speaker 1: you know, find the bad guys. How did that information
28:36
Speaker 1: make it to them or did they just wander around
28:38
Speaker 1: looking for crimes that.
28:39
Speaker 6: Have been committed.
28:41
Speaker 8: Well many times it made its way to the state capital, Austin,
28:44
Speaker 8: and they were ordered to go to a certain county,
28:46
Speaker 8: to go to a certain city to look into something
28:49
Speaker 8: that Austin had heard about. But mcilly in particular was
28:54
Speaker 8: known for. One of the things he liked to do
28:55
Speaker 8: is set up spy networks. He actually have his ranges
28:59
Speaker 8: infiltrate or gangs, and he'd be tipped off if something
29:03
Speaker 8: was about to happen. There's going to be a big
29:05
Speaker 8: horse dealing operation, you know, there's going to be a
29:07
Speaker 8: raid on this town. So a lot of times he
29:09
Speaker 8: was prepared to intervene even before something happened. And that
29:12
Speaker 8: was one of the particular idiosyncrasies of McNelly that he
29:15
Speaker 8: liked to set up these spine networks.
29:18
Speaker 1: That is fantastic. Well, and considering the gun play they
29:21
Speaker 1: were involved in and the obviously dangerous folks that they
29:25
Speaker 1: were going after in a fairly lawless period of time
29:28
Speaker 1: in our nation's history, follow me to hell. Did they
29:31
Speaker 1: lose a lot of guys along the way?
29:35
Speaker 8: Well, they did. They There wasn't a lot of gun
29:39
Speaker 8: play they did. Mcdelly's rangers I think during the time
29:41
Speaker 8: that he was captain he only lost one man, which
29:43
Speaker 8: is pretty remarkable to him. And one of the reasons
29:46
Speaker 8: why is because he did train his men, and that's
29:49
Speaker 8: not true of a lot of ranger captains of the day. Again,
29:52
Speaker 8: they just got together as needed basis, But mcdelly kept
29:55
Speaker 8: his guys together they underwent training when they were between missions.
29:58
Speaker 8: They were not just sitting around telling stories on the
30:00
Speaker 8: campfire doing some kind of blazing saddles kind of thing
30:02
Speaker 8: you say they were. They were training. They were They're
30:05
Speaker 8: practicing their shooting, they're practicing their riding, practicing this one
30:08
Speaker 8: they needed, and I think that that ended up keeping
30:11
Speaker 8: a lot of his men alive.
30:12
Speaker 1: Well, and that's where funding comes in. If they're getting
30:14
Speaker 1: paid for this, I guess there's going to be funding
30:17
Speaker 1: for arms and ammo and the training that they engaged in,
30:20
Speaker 1: because I'm guessing affordability was a real problem when it
30:23
Speaker 1: came to firearms and ammunition back in those days.
30:26
Speaker 8: Well, it's funny you mentioned that the state paid for ammunition,
30:29
Speaker 8: but you had to bring your own horse and your
30:31
Speaker 8: own gun. So if you showed up with a horse
30:34
Speaker 8: and the gun, they would give you ammunition, but otherwise
30:36
Speaker 8: you were on your own.
30:38
Speaker 6: That's great.
30:39
Speaker 1: It's like, well, in order to be hired as an engineer,
30:41
Speaker 1: you must have an engineering degree. In order to be
30:42
Speaker 1: a Texas ranger, you must have a firearm and a horse.
30:45
Speaker 7: That's great, otherwise stay home.
30:47
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought up blazing Suttles, because the
30:49
Speaker 1: minute you talked about the governors being made aware of
30:52
Speaker 1: these crimes, immediately thought of Rock Ridge and the hiring
30:55
Speaker 1: of the sheriff to deal with the problems there. Fantasiastic,
30:59
Speaker 1: Tom Clay, And you write a terrific, terrific book, and
31:03
Speaker 1: Lord do you know your Western history? And I will
31:05
Speaker 1: recommend my listeners get over to fifty five kre sea
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Speaker 1: Follow Me to Hell mcnelly's Texas Rangers and the Rise
31:12
Speaker 1: of Frontier Justice. It is always a real pleasure reading
31:15
Speaker 1: what you write and talking with you about it. Tom,
31:17
Speaker 1: You're always welcome on the program. And I have to
31:19
Speaker 1: imagine you've probably got another one in the works right now.
31:22
Speaker 10: I do.
31:23
Speaker 8: There's one it will be out in the fall called
31:24
Speaker 8: The Last Outlaws about the Dalton Gang.
31:26
Speaker 6: Oh fantastic.
31:29
Speaker 8: Follow Me to Hell first and then you'll see The
31:31
Speaker 8: Last Outlaws out in November.
31:34
Speaker 6: Seven.
31:34
Speaker 1: Happy Friday to you, Brian Thomas. Pleased as always talk
31:38
Speaker 1: book offers, and today's no different than that. I am
31:41
Speaker 1: happy to welcome to the fifty five PC Morning Show
31:43
Speaker 1: DV Chernobb. He's award winning writer of historical crime in fiction.
31:47
Speaker 1: Deve novel Commissar out in twenty twenty one named a
31:50
Speaker 1: finalist for the prestigious Hemiway International Book Award. He was
31:54
Speaker 1: born in Olmsk, Russia, grew up in the Soviet Union
31:56
Speaker 1: during the final close of the Cold War, before immigrating
31:59
Speaker 1: in the United States nineteen ninety one. He built a
32:02
Speaker 1: career in the high tech industry, which is important for
32:04
Speaker 1: the other book we're going to talk about.
32:05
Speaker 10: It.
32:05
Speaker 1: Decided to follow his long dream of writing his first novel,
32:09
Speaker 1: that book on the Russian Revolution, Commissar, a novel of
32:14
Speaker 1: civil war in Russia. And we're also going to be
32:15
Speaker 1: talking about his other book, a tech related one with
32:18
Speaker 1: some local connections, Severed Echoes.
32:20
Speaker 7: DV.
32:21
Speaker 1: Chernoff, Welcome to the fifty five Kars Morning Show. It's
32:23
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on.
32:25
Speaker 5: Hey Brian, good morning, Thanks for having me.
32:27
Speaker 1: I grew up during the Cold War, and before we
32:29
Speaker 1: dive into the books that we're going to talk about today,
32:32
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know from your from the inside perspective.
32:35
Speaker 1: As a as a citizen under the Soviet Union looking out,
32:40
Speaker 1: we had the endless stream of propaganda related about the
32:45
Speaker 1: inside of the Soviet Union breadlines. It's terrible. They can't
32:48
Speaker 1: get blue jeans. They want freedom, they want liberty. What
32:51
Speaker 1: was the inside the Soviet Union perspective of the United
32:54
Speaker 1: States during that period of time, if you don't mind
32:57
Speaker 1: going down this little cul de sac.
32:59
Speaker 5: No, absolutely, And you know, honestly, when when you're growing
33:03
Speaker 5: up in any environment, you don't really question it, right,
33:06
Speaker 5: it's not until later that you start getting some perspective
33:09
Speaker 5: and get sort of this outside view of maybe things
33:13
Speaker 5: shouldn't be this waying necessarily right. So, but you know,
33:17
Speaker 5: as you said, in many ways, it was just like
33:19
Speaker 5: growing up in the US at the time. You know,
33:22
Speaker 5: a lot of propaganda. Of course, it was always you know,
33:25
Speaker 5: the West, what's the West doing? You know, what, what
33:29
Speaker 5: does Russia have to worry about? So, but you know,
33:33
Speaker 5: Russia is you know, you got to realize too, it's
33:36
Speaker 5: it's just a country with such a troubled past, you know,
33:39
Speaker 5: and even before the Communists took over in nineteen seventeen.
33:43
Speaker 5: And this is in part kind of what my first
33:46
Speaker 5: novel you mentioned, Commissart dives and yeah, it dives into
33:50
Speaker 5: is that period of Russian Civil War and kind of
33:53
Speaker 5: that period of change and it's it's in some ways exciting.
33:57
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of possibilities, a lot of ideas,
34:00
Speaker 5: you know, because people were unhappy, you know, World War
34:02
Speaker 5: One is going on, a lot of a lot of
34:05
Speaker 5: things are happening economically, and two people and so uh,
34:09
Speaker 5: there's a lot of excitement about what can we build
34:12
Speaker 5: and then and then things, of course, you know, go
34:15
Speaker 5: wrong at some point and the grand experiment that was
34:18
Speaker 5: set up doesn't really work out. But growing up kind
34:22
Speaker 5: of at the tail end of that experiment, you know,
34:25
Speaker 5: you finally started to have some glimmers of hope, you know,
34:28
Speaker 5: when Gorbachev came to power and and you know, the
34:32
Speaker 5: wall came down in Berlin and there was really kind
34:35
Speaker 5: of a warm up and relationships between US and Russia
34:40
Speaker 5: and and then you know, it just it just disheartening
34:43
Speaker 5: now to see that the country again kind of slipped
34:46
Speaker 5: under this very authoritarian government that's found new ways to
34:51
Speaker 5: hurt its people and and and people of Ukraine. It's
34:54
Speaker 5: just they just it's just terrible.
34:57
Speaker 6: It is.
34:58
Speaker 1: And you know, it's one of those you if you
35:00
Speaker 1: don't study the mistakes of history, you're doing to repeat them.
35:02
Speaker 1: Kamis are your first novel, but of the civil War
35:04
Speaker 1: in Russia. It seems to me that at least some
35:07
Speaker 1: parallels might be able to be drawn between the like,
35:09
Speaker 1: for example, the French Revolution you had the aristocracy treating people,
35:15
Speaker 1: you know, let them eat cake sort of attitude of
35:18
Speaker 1: bad economic times, and the populis revolt against them. And
35:22
Speaker 1: then of course there's the purges Soviet Union. Obviously the
35:25
Speaker 1: czar wasn't really warm and friendly with their people. People
35:29
Speaker 1: were had enough, they were isolated and ill treated. This
35:33
Speaker 1: gave rise to the spark of Marxism, which obviously took over.
35:39
Speaker 1: Is something to be Are there parallels between those two?
35:42
Speaker 1: Just poor treatment is going to result in revolt, it seems,
35:45
Speaker 1: is a history lesson.
35:47
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I think. I think people can only take
35:50
Speaker 5: so much, you know, only to a certain point. And
35:53
Speaker 5: when you have you know, this long standing monarchy of
35:59
Speaker 5: the Romanovs who ruled Russia for over three hundred years.
36:02
Speaker 5: I mean they ruled over a massive empire. I think
36:04
Speaker 5: at the time only the British Empire had larger territory,
36:09
Speaker 5: and that was through colonies. Well, there's Russia had primarily
36:12
Speaker 5: one contiguous land mass to rule over, so hugely disconnected,
36:18
Speaker 5: you know, many many different people's nationalities, religions that kind
36:22
Speaker 5: of fell under their control. And as you said, you know,
36:26
Speaker 5: it was just too much and people were suffering. And
36:30
Speaker 5: when Russia when bizarre, you know, pulled Russia to World
36:33
Speaker 5: War One, and World War One lasted for years and years,
36:37
Speaker 5: millions of casualties in Russia just kept throwing people at it, right,
36:42
Speaker 5: they didn't have the technology really to make headway, but
36:46
Speaker 5: they had plenty of people to keep throwing at it.
36:49
Speaker 5: And so, you know, toward the end of the war,
36:51
Speaker 5: you know, you look at nineteen sixteen, nineteen seventeen, they
36:55
Speaker 5: were sending you know, kids sixteen seventeen year old on
36:58
Speaker 5: trains to the European Front with no weapons. They were
37:02
Speaker 5: just they had no rifles left. They said, you know,
37:05
Speaker 5: go there, pick one up from the battlefield.
37:07
Speaker 1: Fight and the horrors of trench warfare cannot be understated.
37:12
Speaker 1: It's absolutely just awful with works of historical fiction like you, right,
37:16
Speaker 1: I love these because you have truly historical concepts. It
37:21
Speaker 1: worked within a fiction story, so you know, rather than
37:24
Speaker 1: just read a heady tome on you know, on this
37:27
Speaker 1: date happened, and you weave a great tale and one
37:31
Speaker 1: of the things in Commisar before we get to your
37:34
Speaker 1: your more tech books, Severed Echoes, you talk about the
37:38
Speaker 1: little known history of the United States and British intervention
37:41
Speaker 1: in the Russian Civil War between nineteen eighteen and twenty two.
37:44
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of that defeat turn off.
37:48
Speaker 5: It's it's crazy. Yeah, a lot of people are not.
37:51
Speaker 5: And what actually happened is the Russian Civil War broke
37:55
Speaker 5: out in nineteen eighteen, so after the revolution, Bolsheviks took over,
38:00
Speaker 5: and then you have all these factions trying to gain control.
38:03
Speaker 5: Some want monarchy back, others want anarchy literally, others want,
38:08
Speaker 5: you know, different flavors of democracy and and so you
38:13
Speaker 5: have this massive war breaking out, but we also have
38:18
Speaker 5: a foreign intervention with hundreds of thousands of troops from
38:22
Speaker 5: from Japan, from US, from Canada, from even Australia or England,
38:28
Speaker 5: as you mentioned, France, and so you as actually sent
38:32
Speaker 5: eleven thousand troops to Russia and they were there engaged,
38:38
Speaker 5: sometimes in active confrontations with Russian militaries of various flavors
38:46
Speaker 5: for a period of several years. They were American bases
38:48
Speaker 5: established in Mormon's Canvladivostock and and you know four hundred
38:54
Speaker 5: and twenty four US soldiers actually died on Russian land.
38:58
Speaker 5: And again it's it's a very little known history.
39:01
Speaker 1: It is fifty seven years old, and I did not
39:05
Speaker 1: know this, DV.
39:06
Speaker 6: I'm serious, don't feel.
39:08
Speaker 5: Bad, man, it's it's it's it's buried pretty deep. And
39:13
Speaker 5: I think I believe it's the only time in history
39:15
Speaker 5: that American troops actually went directly had to head with
39:20
Speaker 5: the Russian troops.
39:21
Speaker 6: How about that?
39:22
Speaker 5: All the other of course during the Cold War, of
39:24
Speaker 5: course it was all proxy wars.
39:25
Speaker 1: Indeed, well, and we all know about proxy wars today.
39:28
Speaker 1: D V Turnoff, author of Commissar, which is available on
39:31
Speaker 1: my website fifty five krcy dot com, so people also
39:34
Speaker 1: can get enlightened about that chapter in our history as
39:36
Speaker 1: well as Russia's history. Let's pivot over to severed echoes
39:40
Speaker 1: and Nick, is it sever's mystery? This is going to
39:42
Speaker 1: be an arguing yeah, yeah, ongoing character. Then you've you
39:45
Speaker 1: started the first of what will be a series of books.
39:48
Speaker 1: Give my listeners a little insight about severed echoes because
39:50
Speaker 1: this involves modern tech crime.
39:53
Speaker 5: Absolutely a great connection for you tech Friday as well.
39:56
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it fits right in there. So Epar Echo
40:00
Speaker 5: is a new series featuring Nick Severs. He's a big
40:04
Speaker 5: city cop kind of decides to take a quiet life
40:07
Speaker 5: and take a detective job in a small town police
40:11
Speaker 5: department in Pine Lake, Colorado, And when a body of
40:16
Speaker 5: a young woman is found, everything looks like a suicide,
40:20
Speaker 5: except there is a recording, an accidental recording on her
40:24
Speaker 5: digital voice assistant device. So think of kind of like Amazon,
40:28
Speaker 5: Echo or Google. And so he begins this investigation and
40:32
Speaker 5: kind of leads him down this high tech rabbit hole
40:35
Speaker 5: with with with a lot of interesting things, you know,
40:39
Speaker 5: from from personal data to AI to hacking of computers
40:46
Speaker 5: and information security and things like that. And then in
40:50
Speaker 5: addition to that, he suddenly has to deal with these
40:53
Speaker 5: kind of rogue hacker group who decides to target him
40:56
Speaker 5: and he has to sort of unravel the mystery of
40:59
Speaker 5: his own past. So there's really two big themes here.
41:03
Speaker 5: There's technology and then there's also psychology. You know, it
41:06
Speaker 5: dives into things like how does our memory work? So
41:08
Speaker 5: a lot of interesting things there.
41:10
Speaker 1: Well, and since you had a career in the high
41:12
Speaker 1: tech industry, you get all this stuff which makes it
41:15
Speaker 1: such a wonderful thing to weave this, this this tale
41:18
Speaker 1: of a fake murder into all of this really true
41:22
Speaker 1: investigative resources and everything that we have to work with
41:25
Speaker 1: in this modern theater. It's fascinating stuff.
41:28
Speaker 2: D V.
41:28
Speaker 1: Churn Out, the author of Severed Echoes as well as Commas,
41:31
Speaker 1: are both books dev are going to be on my
41:33
Speaker 1: blog pages. I mentioned fifty five cars dot Com. I'll
41:36
Speaker 1: encourage my listeners to get they certainly will enjoy them.
41:38
Speaker 1: And as I always like to recommend, once you enjoy
41:40
Speaker 1: a book, you really share the love. Let a friend
41:42
Speaker 1: read it too and spread the word about the great
41:45
Speaker 1: writing of d V. Churn offf my guests today, DV.
41:47
Speaker 1: I'll look forward to the next in the edition after
41:50
Speaker 1: Severed Echoes. We'll all enjoy reading both of these fabulous books,
41:53
Speaker 1: and someday I'll be looking forward to talking about your
41:55
Speaker 1: next book here on the fifty five Cars Morning Show.
41:58
Speaker 5: Hey, thank you. Brian just went to mention real quick too.
42:01
Speaker 5: Really happy that for Severed Echoes, the audio book was
42:05
Speaker 5: actually recorded by Robert Oh.
42:06
Speaker 6: I'm so so.
42:07
Speaker 1: I have that in my notes. I mentioned that three
42:09
Speaker 1: times already this morning. He's a friend of the entire community.
42:12
Speaker 1: Rob Oh, I'm friends with Rob. We go out to
42:15
Speaker 1: dinner with his wife, and he's just just an absolutely
42:18
Speaker 1: wonderful human being and the best air show announcer in
42:21
Speaker 1: the country. He does recorded books. When you get a
42:25
Speaker 1: book on tape, Rob Ryder is going to be reading
42:27
Speaker 1: Severed Echoes, so go ahead and get the audio edition
42:30
Speaker 1: or the hardbound edition.
42:31
Speaker 11: DV.
42:31
Speaker 1: Churn Off, Thanks for reminding me about that. Rob's probably
42:34
Speaker 1: listening right now. It's about time, Brian.
42:38
Speaker 5: Take care of Thanks you for having me.
42:40
Speaker 1: Happy to best of health and love to you and
42:42
Speaker 1: your family. Seven fifty Welcome to the Fify five KRC
42:44
Speaker 1: Morning Show. Doctor Stephen Solloway got an undergraduate study from
42:47
Speaker 1: Stonybrook University, attending the American University of the Caribbean School
42:50
Speaker 1: of Medicine, Montserrat, British West Indies, London, England, Boston, m A.
42:55
Speaker 1: And Omaha, Nebraska, with postgraduate training in Mercy Catholic Medical Center.
43:01
Speaker 6: Let's see here.
43:02
Speaker 1: He's got a very very very extensive background. Described as
43:06
Speaker 1: one of the America's top rheumatologist and former appointing to
43:10
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's President's Council on Sports, Fitness and Nutrition, he
43:14
Speaker 1: is going to expose for us today as he does
43:16
Speaker 1: in his book. We're getting a little insight into his
43:18
Speaker 1: book Medical Politics, How to Protect Yourself from bad doctors,
43:21
Speaker 1: insurance companies, in big government. Welcome to the program, doctor Soloway.
43:25
Speaker 1: It's good to have you on today.
43:26
Speaker 7: Oh, thank you, good morning, and thanks for having me.
43:29
Speaker 1: All right, I have to ask you this just by
43:31
Speaker 1: way of background, I litigation attorney for sixteen years, eight
43:34
Speaker 1: of which I worked in the litigation department at one
43:37
Speaker 1: of the biggest medical insurance companies, Anthem. So I have
43:42
Speaker 1: a familiarity with the inside working of medical insurance companies.
43:46
Speaker 1: But it's never answered the question to me. And I
43:48
Speaker 1: know it's a broad question. You break it down over
43:50
Speaker 1: and over in the book, but why in the hell
43:53
Speaker 1: is medical care so expensive?
43:57
Speaker 7: There's a lot of reasons that cost is expensive, and
44:00
Speaker 7: it starts with government overreach. Everything starts with the government overreach.
44:04
Speaker 7: Everything starts with government overreach. They want to raise taxes,
44:08
Speaker 7: They create fake positions, they create fake work, they create
44:13
Speaker 7: taxes to cover everything. So what happens today is the
44:19
Speaker 7: government will pass out money to a hospital system to
44:22
Speaker 7: buy up all the practices and to buy up the
44:26
Speaker 7: practices will eliminate the need to audit a thousand, I'm sorry,
44:29
Speaker 7: a million doctors, only a thousand practices or a thousand hospitals.
44:34
Speaker 7: So it's about making the government have an easier job
44:37
Speaker 7: at stealing your money and watching you and controlling what
44:40
Speaker 7: you do. So I'd like to say that the twitters
44:46
Speaker 7: of the world are proxy to filter your free speech. Well,
44:50
Speaker 7: the private payers, like the anthems of the world, are
44:53
Speaker 7: filtered to take away your medical care. And the government
44:58
Speaker 7: is behind all of the ins and outs of why
45:04
Speaker 7: prices are going up to cover internal costs so that
45:08
Speaker 7: they can spy on the doctor, which makes the doctor
45:12
Speaker 7: crawl into a hole, not be innovative, become a sheep.
45:17
Speaker 7: And when you're a sheep, you don't give good care.
45:20
Speaker 7: And when you don't give good care, the quality goes down,
45:23
Speaker 7: and hospital waiting rooms get filled up, and people don't
45:28
Speaker 7: get attention, and people are worried about putting data in
45:31
Speaker 7: computers and typing on computers, and they're not being taught
45:34
Speaker 7: how to examine or talk to people, and everything spirals
45:38
Speaker 7: out of control. But it all goes back to big government,
45:41
Speaker 7: goes back to the woke ideology that's interesting.
45:45
Speaker 1: My personal physician usually listens I think he used to
45:48
Speaker 1: listen I don't know if he still does to the
45:49
Speaker 1: fifty five KRC Morning show. And he would text me
45:51
Speaker 1: every once in a while. But one of the things
45:53
Speaker 1: that he told me, because he now has gone to
45:55
Speaker 1: a full concierge practice, the paperwork is insane. He said,
46:01
Speaker 1: I sit at this computer and I don't do anything
46:03
Speaker 1: but enter records and enter dated. There was a while,
46:06
Speaker 1: Doctor Solomon, where I protested the idea of him putting
46:10
Speaker 1: all this in computerizing. I said, just keep a paper file.
46:13
Speaker 1: I don't want my information computerized.
46:15
Speaker 6: I said.
46:15
Speaker 1: The main reason why is you also offer services for
46:18
Speaker 1: Medicare Medicaid people, and by virtue of that connection, the
46:22
Speaker 1: federal government and the powers that be have access to
46:25
Speaker 1: all of your patient's medical records. Am I correct on
46:28
Speaker 1: that conclusion, doctor Soloway? Even though I'm not a Medicare,
46:31
Speaker 1: Medicaid federal government insured person, they still could look at
46:35
Speaker 1: my records.
46:38
Speaker 7: Not only are you correct, they do look at your records,
46:41
Speaker 7: and they do extrapolate data about everybody, not just the
46:46
Speaker 7: ones that they are allegedly covering, the insurance or the
46:50
Speaker 7: live for so.
46:54
Speaker 9: On.
46:55
Speaker 7: What you just said. What happens is when a person
46:57
Speaker 7: is on Medicare, their secondary insurance, which again I'm just
47:03
Speaker 7: using anthems since you've broke it up before, but it
47:05
Speaker 7: could be any private payer they take over as an HMO.
47:11
Speaker 7: So Medicare isn't what it used to be. Not that
47:14
Speaker 7: I'm for a socialized system, because we have one now
47:16
Speaker 7: and it's horrible. And what you said about paperwork and
47:19
Speaker 7: your family doctor having to get out of it to
47:21
Speaker 7: be concierge, that's all true. But when seniors hit sixty
47:26
Speaker 7: five and they go on Medicare, they no longer can
47:28
Speaker 7: pick and choose their doctor because the secondary insurance, which
47:32
Speaker 7: is the private payer that covers the twenty percent, the
47:35
Speaker 7: part B or the medi gap. You know, this is
47:39
Speaker 7: a totalitarian medicine. This is not just g I'll pay
47:44
Speaker 7: my twenty percent and move along. This is you get
47:48
Speaker 7: your doctor is going to get the Medicare pay rate.
47:51
Speaker 7: But the decision for if your prescription or test is
47:54
Speaker 7: allowed has nothing to do with Medicare. It has all
47:56
Speaker 7: to do with the private payer, and the government allows
47:59
Speaker 7: them to make whatever rules they want. So when they're auditing,
48:04
Speaker 7: looking or snooping around in the Medicare chart. All the
48:08
Speaker 7: Medicare people, they have other insurances. So if you're looking
48:11
Speaker 7: at the Medicare and Anthem patients, well you might as
48:13
Speaker 7: well look at the Anthem patients too and see what's
48:15
Speaker 7: going on with them. And just like, just like you
48:18
Speaker 7: don't want to get an IRIS scan because you don't
48:20
Speaker 7: want them to have your DNA on file or whatever,
48:23
Speaker 7: you don't want them to have your private health records
48:26
Speaker 7: known either. I mean many people have this same feeling
48:29
Speaker 7: as you do. And the problem is, fifteen years ago,
48:33
Speaker 7: with the Affordable Care Act, these computers became a law.
48:36
Speaker 7: And as you said to your doctor, I don't want
48:38
Speaker 7: my stuff on paper charts, and he told you correctly, Well,
48:42
Speaker 7: you know, if I use paper charts, I'm going to
48:44
Speaker 7: get in trouble with the government. It's true. He'll be
48:46
Speaker 7: convicted of fraud or accused or something terrible.
48:48
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting he didn't say he get in trouble
48:50
Speaker 1: with the government. He said basically, it came down he
48:52
Speaker 1: get in trouble with the healthcare system that own his
48:57
Speaker 1: practice because they're the ones that mandated everything to be electronic.
48:59
Speaker 1: And p sume that is because the federal government told them.
49:01
Speaker 1: They must be put in electronic form.
49:05
Speaker 7: That's correct. Yes, So his situation is one step different.
49:10
Speaker 7: The situation that he was in some big system came
49:13
Speaker 7: along with the government money bought his practice, and then
49:16
Speaker 7: he became an employee instead of an entrepreneur exactly. And
49:20
Speaker 7: this is a big problem. You can't take away thinking
49:23
Speaker 7: in a thinking man's world. And that's what the governments
49:26
Speaker 7: that are too large do. They take away your thinking,
49:29
Speaker 7: and they put you in a corner, and they give
49:31
Speaker 7: you rules, and they tell you you have fifteen minutes
49:33
Speaker 7: with a patient and not sixteen. And if you go
49:37
Speaker 7: over by a minute, and if the thing isn't documented
49:39
Speaker 7: correctly the medical record, then you're going to be penalized
49:42
Speaker 7: because the being counter who's looking to look for certain
49:47
Speaker 7: keywords to justify Medicare's payment to that insurance company, if
49:51
Speaker 7: you don't fulfill all the criteria. Forget the patient, they
49:54
Speaker 7: don't count, but the criteria or the check the boxes,
49:58
Speaker 7: then they're not going to get paid. And if they
49:59
Speaker 7: don't get paid, it's a trickle down effect. So the
50:02
Speaker 7: government controls the money. The government tells the insurance companies,
50:07
Speaker 7: you know you're in charge, but we're really in charge,
50:09
Speaker 7: and yeah, you're going to buy up all these doctors
50:12
Speaker 7: and they're going to follow the rules, otherwise they're not
50:13
Speaker 7: going to be employed.
50:14
Speaker 1: So my doctor oll in a regular scenario under those circumstances.
50:18
Speaker 1: Since again it's con Scierre's practice, they're no longer a diagnostician.
50:21
Speaker 6: They're basically.
50:24
Speaker 1: I like to say, the MBA practice of medicine's almost
50:26
Speaker 1: like a four next sloop or and if then statement
50:29
Speaker 1: they get a chart to if this happened, then do this,
50:31
Speaker 1: and they don't have any out of the box thinking
50:33
Speaker 1: to probably provide you with better medical care.
50:37
Speaker 7: I put in the book that in twenty five to
50:39
Speaker 7: fifty years the doctor's going to be replaced with a kiosk. Yep,
50:42
Speaker 7: it's happening now. Unless you know, in plastic surgery, you
50:46
Speaker 7: don't have to worry about this because people are going
50:48
Speaker 7: with money and the guy's going to spend all day,
50:50
Speaker 7: you know, doing whatever plastic surgery. But in normal good health,
50:54
Speaker 7: nobody cares anymore. And I say nobody again, I start
50:57
Speaker 7: with the government, go down to the CEO of the
50:59
Speaker 7: private company and take over of all the practices.
51:03
Speaker 1: Well, that's a frightening reality. And then you can back
51:05
Speaker 1: what you said in your conclusions very clearly up with
51:09
Speaker 1: the dumbing down of medical schools. They're not requiring any
51:12
Speaker 1: specific academic standards or achievements in order to allow people
51:15
Speaker 1: to get into medical school, which just scares the living
51:17
Speaker 1: hell out of me.
51:18
Speaker 6: Doctor soloin no wealth.
51:20
Speaker 7: System, the health system or I'm the chairman of rheumatology
51:24
Speaker 7: and that covers four hospitals. The medicine residents are not
51:28
Speaker 7: required to rotate through rheumatology at all during their three years.
51:31
Speaker 7: So how much worse can it get? They're not even
51:33
Speaker 7: exposed to all the fields that are within their field.
51:37
Speaker 7: You know, it's terrible.
51:38
Speaker 6: So what do they do get?
51:39
Speaker 1: I mean, they have it written down by some government
51:41
Speaker 1: entity what you should do if these certain symptoms are presented,
51:45
Speaker 1: and they just do that, or they get on Google
51:46
Speaker 1: to figure out why these symptoms are present in their patient.
51:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand how you can become a
51:51
Speaker 1: doctor without having some exposure to that very important field.
51:55
Speaker 7: If you ask me this question thirty years ago, I'd
51:57
Speaker 7: say you're out of your mind for even asking the question.
51:59
Speaker 7: But now now it's so real that it's insane, and
52:01
Speaker 7: I don't understand it myself. I can just tell you
52:04
Speaker 7: that the people that are training today, that are coming
52:08
Speaker 7: out today or tomorrow, they know next to nothing. This
52:11
Speaker 7: is no lie. I work with them. I see them
52:13
Speaker 7: with hospitals. I you know, share patients, you know from
52:17
Speaker 7: different illnesses and different doctors and whatnot. And the people
52:21
Speaker 7: that are in practice twenty five thirty years like me,
52:24
Speaker 7: we all speak the same language. The other people they
52:28
Speaker 7: click the boxes and they say, Okay, it's a fever,
52:30
Speaker 7: send it to the infection guy, it's it's swollen, send
52:33
Speaker 7: it to that guy, it's this, send it there. They
52:36
Speaker 7: don't know what they're doing. And then what happens is
52:38
Speaker 7: when these people are sending it everywhere, then all of
52:40
Speaker 7: a sudden, that's when the insurance comes in and denies everything.
52:43
Speaker 1: See not medically necessary.
52:47
Speaker 7: You got it, not medically necessary. And the person who
52:51
Speaker 7: deems it not medically necessary is never in the healthcare field.
52:54
Speaker 7: They only work for a healthcare company, but they don't
52:56
Speaker 7: have any medical background whatsoever.
52:58
Speaker 1: Well, that's also where the pharmaceuticals come any companies come in,
53:01
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking of for example, I used commercials for
53:05
Speaker 1: a company that did or a service that provided bioidentical
53:09
Speaker 1: hormone replacement therapy, which are really good for curing a
53:11
Speaker 1: lot of problems like high cholesterol. But the pharmaceutical companies
53:14
Speaker 1: hate it because you can't patent something that exists in nature,
53:18
Speaker 1: so they steer doctors away from something that might be
53:21
Speaker 1: quite effective for that particular problem, as well as others,
53:25
Speaker 1: in favor of putting them on something like lipator for
53:27
Speaker 1: their entire life, which probably has its own side effects,
53:29
Speaker 1: which I'm thinking maybe dementia is included in there. That's
53:32
Speaker 1: just my conclusion. But ivermectin was another one. Donald Trump
53:36
Speaker 1: mentioned the word ivermecnim. It's no longer patented, it's a
53:38
Speaker 1: generic now. It could help solve people's problems and it
53:42
Speaker 1: has been proven to do so with COVID nineteen in
53:44
Speaker 1: terms of recovery. That was foreboden. I mean even mentioning it.
53:47
Speaker 1: That you were ridiculed for thinking it was a possibility.
53:49
Speaker 1: But that's what a diagnostician does.
53:53
Speaker 7: That's correct. Diagnostician needs to think outside the box and
53:57
Speaker 7: needs to understand that drugs are available through the FDA
54:04
Speaker 7: only for what they were studied for. There's not enough
54:07
Speaker 7: money to go around to study it. For five hundred problems.
54:10
Speaker 7: You study it for the most profitable, and then after
54:13
Speaker 7: the most profitable, you find out all the things that
54:15
Speaker 7: can do that are great in other conditions. And when
54:17
Speaker 7: you want to use it for the other conditions, you're
54:19
Speaker 7: getting feedback saying, no, you can't use it. It's not
54:22
Speaker 7: approved for that awfully right right. It may not be approved,
54:26
Speaker 7: but it is the standard of care is nothing better.
54:29
Speaker 7: So you see, depending on depending on, you know, kind
54:32
Speaker 7: of like with the irs. You know, if you live
54:34
Speaker 7: across the street from you're getting auto insurance, and some
54:39
Speaker 7: people will say, oh, you know, I drive four hundred
54:42
Speaker 7: miles to go to work for my taxes, but I
54:45
Speaker 7: don't drive to work. I leave the car in the garage.
54:47
Speaker 7: When it comes to my income tax I'm sorry for
54:50
Speaker 7: the auto insurance company. So it's all a spin on words.
54:55
Speaker 1: It's sure as the name of the book Medical Politics,
54:57
Speaker 1: How to Protect yourself from bad doctors, insurance companies in
54:59
Speaker 1: big government. Real quick here, I know you can't get
55:01
Speaker 1: know the wise and wareforce because everybody's going to want
55:03
Speaker 1: to read the book and get more information. But you
55:05
Speaker 1: mentioned the bad doctors. Obviously, the scenario is presenting itself
55:08
Speaker 1: it's only going to get worse. Based upon what you
55:10
Speaker 1: know and what we all now know that how do
55:12
Speaker 1: you protect yourself from a bad doctor? How do you
55:13
Speaker 1: find a good doctor?
55:15
Speaker 7: Then you ask your friends and family and you find
55:18
Speaker 7: somebody self employed, because if you gets stuck within the system,
55:22
Speaker 7: you're going to be referred within the system for the
55:24
Speaker 7: rest of your life and you're going to become an
55:25
Speaker 7: annuity for the system. You don't want to be an
55:27
Speaker 7: annuity for a system. You don't want to go to
55:29
Speaker 7: a place with five hundred doctors. You want to go
55:31
Speaker 7: to a place that's one or two doctors or three doctors,
55:33
Speaker 7: and that's it, and you want to sit down and
55:35
Speaker 7: be able to talk to them.
55:36
Speaker 6: There you have it.
55:37
Speaker 1: Which, honestly, doctor, you've proven the point about a concierge's practice.
55:41
Speaker 1: They don't deal with the federal government. They're free to
55:44
Speaker 1: diagnose you and quite often, and this has been my experience,
55:48
Speaker 1: they're readily accessible. Last time I got sick, I texted him,
55:52
Speaker 1: I told him I had an infection. I got a
55:54
Speaker 1: prescription for antibiotics without even able to go in. It
55:57
Speaker 1: was like God was the easiest thing ever.
55:59
Speaker 7: So so the only problem with concierge medicine is if
56:03
Speaker 7: Scott forbid, you need to go to the hospital and
56:05
Speaker 7: they run the bill up to a million dollars, you
56:07
Speaker 7: better have catastrophic insurance just for that. But if you
56:10
Speaker 7: have that, then yes, that's the better way to go today.
56:13
Speaker 7: And I do hope the pendulum swings back one day
56:15
Speaker 7: and that there's an uprising and doctors stopped taking insurances altogether,
56:20
Speaker 7: and by doing that it'll force the system to reverse.
56:24
Speaker 7: And we do have political shifting, and we do have
56:27
Speaker 7: all kinds of shifting, so I can only hope that
56:29
Speaker 7: this pendulum too will shift, hopefully in my lifetime. But
56:33
Speaker 7: things I always say, I'm happy, I'm not at the
56:36
Speaker 7: beginning of my career right now, that's for sure.
56:39
Speaker 1: You sound like someone is already in retirement and not
56:43
Speaker 1: concerned about the collapse of Social Security because they're going
56:46
Speaker 1: to be dead before it collapses. It's not my problem,
56:49
Speaker 1: doctor Steven Saloway. I have wonderful conversation. Thank you for
56:52
Speaker 1: writing this book so we can apply your principles and
56:54
Speaker 1: what we learn from it to fighting back medical politics.
56:57
Speaker 1: How to protect yourself from bad doctors, insurance companies, a
56:59
Speaker 1: big government doctor. It's on my website at fifty five
57:02
Speaker 1: KRC dot com so my listeners can easily get a
57:04
Speaker 1: copy of it.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to say signed copies at at
57:07
Speaker 7: medicine book dot net.
57:09
Speaker 1: Okay, we can do it that way as well. Medicine
57:11
Speaker 1: book dot net for a sign one my relab website
57:13
Speaker 1: for any copy and be sure and share it with
57:15
Speaker 1: your friends. Spread the knowledge, Doctor Soloway, It's been a
57:17
Speaker 1: real pleasure joining me today. I am pleased. Welcome to
57:19
Speaker 1: the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Senior Master Sergeant retired
57:22
Speaker 1: Israel DT del Toro Junior. By the way a background,
57:26
Speaker 1: he served in the United States Air Force in Afghanistan
57:28
Speaker 1: as a special warfare operator severely injured in action in
57:32
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. We'll talk about his recovery and
57:35
Speaker 1: his advocacy on behalf of his fellow wounded warriors, but
57:38
Speaker 1: he was instrumental in the creation of the Air Force
57:40
Speaker 1: Wounded Warrior program. In February twenty ten, my guest was
57:44
Speaker 1: the first one hundred percent disabled airman to re enlist
57:49
Speaker 1: in the Air Force. He's also the recipient of Purple Heart,
57:51
Speaker 1: Bronze Star, and the Pat Tilman Award for service. Welcome
57:54
Speaker 1: to the program DT. It is a distinct pleasure to
57:57
Speaker 1: have you. Want to let me start by thanking you
57:59
Speaker 1: for your service to our country and your continued service
58:02
Speaker 1: to your fellow veterans.
58:04
Speaker 11: Thank you, thank you for having me on. It's a pleasure.
58:07
Speaker 1: It is my pleasure. Indeed the name of the book,
58:09
Speaker 1: and it's a best seller. Congratulations on being best seller.
58:12
Speaker 1: I checked Amazon right before the program started. A Patriots promise,
58:15
Speaker 1: protecting my brothers, fighting for my life and keeping my word.
58:19
Speaker 1: Let us start with the book's titled a Patriots Promise.
58:22
Speaker 1: My understanding is that came as a consequence of a
58:26
Speaker 1: promise you made to your late father when you were
58:28
Speaker 1: a young man.
58:30
Speaker 11: Yeah. So when I was twelve years old, my dad
58:35
Speaker 11: on January twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, had called a
58:39
Speaker 11: home because he had he was in Mexico because he
58:42
Speaker 11: had health problems with his lungs, so went out there
58:44
Speaker 11: to even get help. And I was the last one
58:47
Speaker 11: to speak to him, and the last thing he told
58:50
Speaker 11: me he was, you know, promise me they'll take care
58:53
Speaker 11: of his sisters and your family. And you know, for
58:57
Speaker 11: a twelve year old kids like okay whatever, And it
58:59
Speaker 11: makes me it again. So I say it, you know,
59:02
Speaker 11: not knowing that the next day he was going to
59:04
Speaker 11: be gone. So I knew that the tide of the book.
59:10
Speaker 11: I wanted to promise and had to have to have
59:12
Speaker 11: the order to promise because that promise shaped my path
59:16
Speaker 11: and who I was going to become. And I remember,
59:19
Speaker 11: I'm trying to use hero a hero's problems.
59:22
Speaker 7: I'm like, you know, if there.
59:24
Speaker 11: Was someone writing my book about me, Yeah, but I'm
59:28
Speaker 11: doing it.
59:28
Speaker 1: I heard, yeah, yeah, little little spushy little self deprecation
59:34
Speaker 1: never hurt anybody, My friend, a patriots problem, you will
59:38
Speaker 1: obviously demonstrably a patriot you and and I guess your
59:42
Speaker 1: father when you said, you know, take care of your
59:44
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, you were talking about he was talking
59:46
Speaker 1: about your siblings, correct.
59:47
Speaker 2: I mean.
59:49
Speaker 1: You took it to the next level though, because when
59:52
Speaker 1: you joined America's military and listened to the Air Force,
59:55
Speaker 1: you inherited a huge family of additional brothers and sisters.
59:59
Speaker 11: I did that promise, like I said, at first, started
1:00:02
Speaker 11: with my brother's DISTERSI my mom, and has now evolved
1:00:06
Speaker 11: to what it is now. Where anyone out there that
1:00:09
Speaker 11: feels like they don't have a voice, there there or
1:00:13
Speaker 11: needs help. They're my family, and I try and step
1:00:16
Speaker 11: up and continue honoring that promise.
1:00:18
Speaker 3: To my dad.
1:00:19
Speaker 1: Well, and you have done it, just more so than
1:00:22
Speaker 1: I think anybody else I've ever talked to. Considering the
1:00:25
Speaker 1: extent of your injuries, tell my listeners what happened in
1:00:29
Speaker 1: Afghanistan when you were serving that led you to receiving,
1:00:32
Speaker 1: of course the purple Heart, but also that inspired you
1:00:35
Speaker 1: to move forward and rehabilitate your life and continue to
1:00:38
Speaker 1: be this wonderful, wonderful inspiration.
1:00:42
Speaker 2: Thank you. Sure.
1:00:44
Speaker 7: So.
1:00:44
Speaker 11: On December fourth, two thousand and five, I was I
1:00:47
Speaker 11: had a mission with my Scout team and we were
1:00:49
Speaker 11: coming back and we'd lead vehicle and we crossed this
1:00:55
Speaker 11: creek and no more than two hundred meters after creek
1:00:58
Speaker 11: do I feel an intense heatlast time my left sign.
1:01:00
Speaker 11: I was like, holy crap, we just got hit, and you.
1:01:03
Speaker 7: Know, I get out of the truck.
1:01:05
Speaker 11: But when I got out of the truck, I was
1:01:07
Speaker 11: on fire from at the toe, and so I turned
1:01:11
Speaker 11: and try to run to the creek, but the flames
1:01:14
Speaker 11: over overtook me and I collapsed and I'm laying.
1:01:17
Speaker 9: There and this is it.
1:01:19
Speaker 11: As I broke my promise to my family, and I
1:01:21
Speaker 11: always come back. I broke my promise to my son
1:01:24
Speaker 11: that I will never let him grow up without his
1:01:27
Speaker 11: dad like I did. But most importantly, I'm going to
1:01:30
Speaker 11: break my promise to my dad that I always take
1:01:32
Speaker 11: care of my family. But then one of my teammates
1:01:35
Speaker 11: tells me up and we both jumped in the creek
1:01:37
Speaker 11: and the sound that I heard was the same sound
1:01:40
Speaker 11: you hear when you put a hot hand in cold water,
1:01:43
Speaker 11: but it was instead of a pan, it was my body.
1:01:47
Speaker 11: But you know, my missions didn't stop there because there
1:01:50
Speaker 11: was a plan ambush. As soon as we got hit.
1:01:52
Speaker 11: The second half of the guys that were picking up
1:01:55
Speaker 11: starting to get hit with the crossway and now they're
1:01:57
Speaker 11: calling back. It's like where's Gunslinger, which was my call sign.
1:02:01
Speaker 11: I was like, we need close air support because I'm
1:02:03
Speaker 11: the guy that causing the air strikes. You know, Yeah,
1:02:06
Speaker 11: I was deployed, you know, air Force, and those guys
1:02:08
Speaker 11: were Army. Well, when we're downrange, it doesn't matter Army, Navy, Marines,
1:02:14
Speaker 11: air Force. We're all brothers in arms. We have each
1:02:17
Speaker 11: other's back, and they're my family. So again I had
1:02:20
Speaker 11: an honor my dad's promise, and I had to figure
1:02:24
Speaker 11: out how to take care of my family because my
1:02:26
Speaker 11: raidos were destroyed. So luckily one of the other Scout
1:02:31
Speaker 11: members had a radio and I just told him, get
1:02:34
Speaker 11: on this frequency, repeat everything I say so we can
1:02:36
Speaker 11: get some aircraft in here, get some help. And by
1:02:39
Speaker 11: the time the last transmission went out, I started getting scared,
1:02:44
Speaker 11: like I'm never be the one that says, you know,
1:02:47
Speaker 11: I wasn't scared, you know, I was like ramble nerves
1:02:50
Speaker 11: of steel. Once that adrenaline went down, I started getting scared.
1:02:55
Speaker 11: I was asking where's the where's the metabac because I
1:02:59
Speaker 11: was having a heart time breathing and I just wanted
1:03:02
Speaker 11: to sleep. And I remember the medics saying trying to
1:03:08
Speaker 11: keep me up because he knew if he let me
1:03:10
Speaker 11: fall asleep, I won't.
1:03:11
Speaker 2: Wake up again.
1:03:12
Speaker 11: And so he started using my son to keep me awake.
1:03:16
Speaker 11: Because I like to say we all have a spark,
1:03:19
Speaker 11: which is ironic. Here's a burn guy now talking about
1:03:21
Speaker 11: that we all have a spark, but we do. We
1:03:26
Speaker 11: have a spark that drives us and that motivates it
1:03:29
Speaker 11: keeps us going. And for me, it was my son
1:03:32
Speaker 11: and used that to keep me awake till the helicopter came,
1:03:35
Speaker 11: and I remember they wanted to call me yet, and
1:03:38
Speaker 11: I was like, oh, hell no, I walked into this fight.
1:03:40
Speaker 11: I'm going to walk out, and I get on the helicopter.
1:03:45
Speaker 11: They find me to our foreign operating base. They take
1:03:48
Speaker 11: him to the little field hospital, the doctor cutting off
1:03:51
Speaker 11: my watch, telling me I'm going to be okay. That
1:03:55
Speaker 11: was December fourth oh five and I wake up March.
1:03:58
Speaker 2: Of o six.
1:04:00
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to elaborate slightly. You didn't delve
1:04:03
Speaker 1: into the extent of your injuries. Third degree burns over
1:04:06
Speaker 1: eighty percent of your body. And also, as I'm reading,
1:04:11
Speaker 1: you died nearly three times.
1:04:15
Speaker 11: Yes, surday, you know when I was in a coma.
1:04:19
Speaker 11: You know, like I said, I had three burns on
1:04:22
Speaker 11: eighty percent of my body, almost at three times and
1:04:25
Speaker 11: given a fifteen percent chance to survive.
1:04:29
Speaker 1: And also the idea that if you did survive, which
1:04:31
Speaker 1: clearly you did, your doctors told you would have a
1:04:33
Speaker 1: respirator for the rest of your life and never walk again.
1:04:37
Speaker 1: You proved them all wrong.
1:04:41
Speaker 4: I did.
1:04:42
Speaker 11: It's very unique waking up and them telling you let
1:04:45
Speaker 11: it happened. Then they're telling you what your life's going
1:04:47
Speaker 11: to be. And you know, I never accepted what people
1:04:52
Speaker 11: said my life's going to be. I was not going
1:04:54
Speaker 11: to let this injury define me. I was going to
1:04:57
Speaker 11: define it. And I want to show my son that
1:05:01
Speaker 11: dad was not going to give up. I wasn't gonna
1:05:02
Speaker 11: want it. I want to be one of those people
1:05:05
Speaker 11: that sit in a chair, stare out and curse the world.
1:05:08
Speaker 6: Yes, why me?
1:05:10
Speaker 11: I was like, I'm not teaching my three year old
1:05:12
Speaker 11: son at the time anything, And I really wanted to
1:05:16
Speaker 11: show those that's little bees.
1:05:17
Speaker 7: I left that bomb that.
1:05:18
Speaker 11: They weren't going to ruin my life.
1:05:20
Speaker 6: I love that.
1:05:20
Speaker 11: And two months after, you know, they gave me that
1:05:24
Speaker 11: grim diagnosi. You know, I left that hospital walking and
1:05:28
Speaker 11: breathing my own.
1:05:30
Speaker 1: And this promise, this original promise to your dad, extended
1:05:34
Speaker 1: to your children. Obviously, your children and the thought about
1:05:37
Speaker 1: staying alive for them got you through all of this,
1:05:40
Speaker 1: all through the rehabilitation you went through, and I'm sure
1:05:43
Speaker 1: it was extensive, and then to the rest of your
1:05:46
Speaker 1: service members by being such a strong, you know, willed
1:05:49
Speaker 1: individual and someone who's gonna to meet the challenges you
1:05:52
Speaker 1: were facing and live up to your promises. That obviously
1:05:56
Speaker 1: went a long way. You were the one that helped
1:05:58
Speaker 1: created the Air Force Wounded Warrior program. H And also,
1:06:02
Speaker 1: and I got to ask you about this because you know,
1:06:03
Speaker 1: we're almost at a time. You were the first one
1:06:05
Speaker 1: hundred percent disabled veteran to re enlist in the Air Force.
1:06:09
Speaker 1: What does it mean to be one hundred percent disabled?
1:06:12
Speaker 1: Because honestly, sir, you don't sound like a disabled individual
1:06:15
Speaker 1: talking on the phone.
1:06:17
Speaker 11: Well, you know, people, when I was walking on my
1:06:20
Speaker 11: recovery view, I was like, do you be able to do?
1:06:23
Speaker 11: I was like, I want to continue, I want to
1:06:24
Speaker 11: still served, And like why, I was like, you can
1:06:27
Speaker 11: make a lot of money, you know, as in the
1:06:30
Speaker 11: civilian world as a public speaker, which you're right, some
1:06:33
Speaker 11: public speakers make like six fingers for forty five minutes
1:06:36
Speaker 11: to an hour speech, you know, not saying I'm there.
1:06:40
Speaker 6: You know, I get it.
1:06:41
Speaker 11: Yeah, But I was like, there's there's so many people
1:06:46
Speaker 11: out there and make so much money and hate their job.
1:06:49
Speaker 11: So why am I going to give up a job
1:06:50
Speaker 11: that I love. I love serving my country, I love
1:06:54
Speaker 11: being the Air Force, I love being an operator, So
1:06:57
Speaker 11: why am I going to give that for a couple
1:06:58
Speaker 11: of bucks? And yeah, a five years. But yeah, in
1:07:02
Speaker 11: February of to Dunton, that's when I became the first
1:07:04
Speaker 11: one hundred percent disabled to enlist.
1:07:07
Speaker 1: That is amazing, And in what capacity are you serving now?
1:07:11
Speaker 11: So I when I went back in for five years,
1:07:15
Speaker 11: I was an instructor. As much as I wanted to
1:07:18
Speaker 11: be an operator, to be out down range, I couldn't
1:07:21
Speaker 11: unless we become like Star Wars and I get a
1:07:23
Speaker 11: cool like Luke Skywalker. Hen I used that Jedi Minjergun
1:07:27
Speaker 11: people were not there, but I knew I can instruct.
1:07:30
Speaker 11: So I did that for five years, and then I
1:07:32
Speaker 11: started excelling in para sports. Where and I went. The
1:07:38
Speaker 11: pcasked me the Colorado Springs to the Olympic Training Center,
1:07:41
Speaker 11: train there for the Paralympics. Then after that, in twenty seventeen,
1:07:46
Speaker 11: I went to the Air Force Academy, talked of that's
1:07:49
Speaker 11: how to skydive and I retired August twenty nineteen.
1:07:53
Speaker 1: That is truly amazing. My guest today Israel DT del Toro, Junior,
1:07:59
Speaker 1: return hired from the America's military only to re enlists error.
1:08:04
Speaker 6: For Senior Masters Sergeant.
1:08:06
Speaker 1: The Inspirational Book A Patriot's Promise protecting my brothers, protecting
1:08:09
Speaker 1: my life and keeping my words. You know, And I'm
1:08:12
Speaker 1: talking to my listeners now, DT. You think you got
1:08:14
Speaker 1: a bad Listen to what this man went through. Listen
1:08:17
Speaker 1: to the challenges and the hurdles he overcame, and the
1:08:20
Speaker 1: commitment to continue to serve God Bless you, sir. It
1:08:24
Speaker 1: has been a distinct pleasure. Keep up the great work.
1:08:27
Speaker 1: My listeners are going to buy your book and they're
1:08:28
Speaker 1: going to share it with their friends and also become inspired.
1:08:31
Speaker 1: And next time they're starting to feel sorry for themselves,
1:08:34
Speaker 1: they can remember you, DT.
1:08:37
Speaker 11: Thank you, Thank you, sir, Thank you for having me
1:08:38
Speaker 11: on here, and thank you for letting me speak about
1:08:41
Speaker 11: you know, pretty much a twelve year old kid just
1:08:45
Speaker 11: trying to honor his dad.
1:08:47
Speaker 1: What an amazing story, truly inspirational. Thank you, sir for
1:08:49
Speaker 1: your time and for writing the book, and keep up
1:08:51
Speaker 1: the great work. Local author Rick Pender he's returning here
1:08:54
Speaker 1: to the fifty five KRSE morning shows. A Cincinnati historian, journalist, author,
1:08:57
Speaker 1: and tour guide. We're gonna get a little insight into that.
1:09:01
Speaker 1: He moved to Southwest Ohio back in nineteen eighty. He's
1:09:03
Speaker 1: been here ever since. He wrote a book and we've
1:09:05
Speaker 1: talked about this one before, one hundred Things to Do
1:09:07
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati Before You Die. And he has a second
1:09:10
Speaker 1: issue in a doubt edition of that out. First one
1:09:14
Speaker 1: was published in twenty sixteen and then I think it
1:09:16
Speaker 1: was twenty or twenty nineteen or twenty twenty put another
1:09:19
Speaker 1: one out so you can get that one as well.
1:09:20
Speaker 1: And I last Joe put a link of it on
1:09:22
Speaker 1: it today. But we're going to talk today about his
1:09:24
Speaker 1: new book, Oldest Cincinnati. Rick Pender, Welcome back to the
1:09:27
Speaker 1: fifty five Krsey Morning Show. Hope you're well.
1:09:30
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Brian, it's great to be with you.
1:09:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, you moved in I don't know how old you are,
1:09:34
Speaker 1: but you moved here to from northeast Ohio back in
1:09:39
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. As I mentioned there in the intro. You know,
1:09:42
Speaker 1: I lived here my whole life until I moved to
1:09:44
Speaker 1: Chicago back after law school in nineteen ninety And when
1:09:47
Speaker 1: we moved back in ninety eight to Cincinnati, it was
1:09:50
Speaker 1: only at that time did I really wake up just
1:09:54
Speaker 1: how great we've got it here in spite of we
1:09:56
Speaker 1: have troubles like every city, but what an amazing city.
1:10:00
Speaker 1: Actually go to events you can afford to go. There
1:10:02
Speaker 1: are tickets available to things that you want to go to,
1:10:05
Speaker 1: and loads and loads of history and we're just blessed
1:10:09
Speaker 1: to be here. And I'm sure you feel the same way.
1:10:11
Speaker 2: That's for sure. That's very much what inspired this book.
1:10:14
Speaker 12: I did those books called A Hundred Things to Do
1:10:18
Speaker 12: in Cincinnati. In fact, I have a third edition coming
1:10:21
Speaker 12: out next month. So the pandemic changed a lot of
1:10:26
Speaker 12: stuff that I had in the second edition, so it
1:10:28
Speaker 12: was time to update that and that'll be out next month.
1:10:31
Speaker 1: Well, Rick, you'll have to come back on the fifty
1:10:34
Speaker 1: five care seemore you should talk about the new edition
1:10:36
Speaker 1: on that one.
1:10:38
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to do that.
1:10:40
Speaker 12: But let me tell you it was in part doing
1:10:42
Speaker 12: those books and also living in a couple of historic
1:10:45
Speaker 12: neighborhoods here in town that really lit my fuse on.
1:10:51
Speaker 2: Finding out more about our history.
1:10:53
Speaker 12: And have had so many of the things that we
1:10:55
Speaker 12: have here that are the oldest things in town that
1:10:58
Speaker 12: are still around, some of which were some of the
1:11:02
Speaker 12: first things in the US. A few of them were
1:11:05
Speaker 12: first things, and you know this part of the world.
1:11:07
Speaker 12: So it was great fun to put this book together
1:11:10
Speaker 12: and it was my it.
1:11:11
Speaker 2: Was my pandemic project.
1:11:13
Speaker 12: Most of twenty twenty I spent researching and getting this
1:11:17
Speaker 12: book pulled together.
1:11:19
Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what I pivoting to your being
1:11:22
Speaker 1: a tour guide. One of the neat things about Over
1:11:25
Speaker 1: the Rhine. Of course, we talked to Heinrich Toltzmann Hair
1:11:28
Speaker 1: Toltzman a lot on our German history specifically, but it's
1:11:32
Speaker 1: the beer history there. I did the beer tour and
1:11:34
Speaker 1: got to go in the old caves down below the
1:11:37
Speaker 1: city streets and just absolutely fascinating. And since we are
1:11:41
Speaker 1: currently going through almost what is legitimately a beer renaissance,
1:11:44
Speaker 1: kind of turning back to where we were in Over
1:11:47
Speaker 1: the Rhine with a beer a micro brewery at every corner.
1:11:51
Speaker 1: But some really neat historic things in Over the Rhine,
1:11:57
Speaker 1: that's for sure.
1:11:58
Speaker 12: And you know, a lot of those places where beer
1:12:01
Speaker 12: is being brewed now in Over the Rhine are places
1:12:04
Speaker 12: where it was brewed century and a half ago, so
1:12:08
Speaker 12: there is.
1:12:08
Speaker 2: That history there.
1:12:11
Speaker 12: I'm on the board of the Friends of Music Hall
1:12:14
Speaker 12: and we've started doing occasional beer tours at music Hall.
1:12:18
Speaker 12: We do it with the Rheinegeist folks and people get
1:12:21
Speaker 12: to nose around and see some of the interesting insides
1:12:25
Speaker 12: of music hall that was built back in the mid
1:12:28
Speaker 12: to late nineteenth century. And so yeah, and beer in
1:12:33
Speaker 12: music hall sort of go hand in hand.
1:12:35
Speaker 1: Will you anticipated where I was going with that one,
1:12:37
Speaker 1: because I was going to pivot over to your the
1:12:40
Speaker 1: since a May festival, which the German immigrants established, was
1:12:44
Speaker 1: what ultimately resulted in the building of music halls, I
1:12:47
Speaker 1: understand it.
1:12:49
Speaker 2: That's absolutely right.
1:12:50
Speaker 12: They were performing originally in the very early eighteen seventies
1:12:54
Speaker 12: in a wooden building that had a kind of a
1:12:57
Speaker 12: rickety roof on it, and during one of the first
1:13:00
Speaker 12: May festivals there was a thunderstorm. It was so loud
1:13:03
Speaker 12: that it drowned out the chorus. So a man named
1:13:06
Speaker 12: Reuben Springer was there and he said, all right, we
1:13:08
Speaker 12: got to do a better job with this, and he
1:13:10
Speaker 12: put up five hundred thousand dollars, which was a lot
1:13:13
Speaker 12: of money in the eighteen seventies, and said that if
1:13:17
Speaker 12: the city would raise some money to match some of that,
1:13:20
Speaker 12: then he would be able to help fund a new
1:13:23
Speaker 12: music hall. And that's really where it all got started.
1:13:26
Speaker 12: Music Hall opened up in eighteen seventy eight. Of course,
1:13:29
Speaker 12: we did a big, beautiful renovation of it about five
1:13:32
Speaker 12: years ago, but it's still a wonderful historic place to visit.
1:13:36
Speaker 6: It sure is.
1:13:37
Speaker 1: And Dayton may claim that the birthplace of aviation, but
1:13:40
Speaker 1: we here in the Greater Cincinnati area are the birthplace
1:13:43
Speaker 1: of American astronomy.
1:13:46
Speaker 12: That's right, that's right. Our observatory really started life up
1:13:51
Speaker 12: on top of Mount Adams's was an hect it's named
1:13:56
Speaker 12: for John Quincy Adams.
1:13:58
Speaker 2: Mount Adams is.
1:13:59
Speaker 12: Because he came here to dedicate the observatory in the
1:14:03
Speaker 12: first telescope. But after about thirty years there in Mount
1:14:07
Speaker 12: Adams in the nineteenth century, with coal burning and all
1:14:11
Speaker 12: of that sort of thing, there was so much smog
1:14:15
Speaker 12: around downtown that it wasn't very very good for observing
1:14:19
Speaker 12: the night sky. So at that point they said we're
1:14:21
Speaker 12: going to move out to the suburbs. They went out
1:14:23
Speaker 12: to Mount Lookout. Of course wasn't out then because didn't
1:14:28
Speaker 12: have an observatory. But in eighteen seventy five the observatory
1:14:33
Speaker 12: that we all know and love out there on Observatory
1:14:35
Speaker 12: Avenue started. That's got one of the oldest telescopes in
1:14:39
Speaker 12: the United States, and it was really the first public
1:14:43
Speaker 12: observatory in the western hemisphere, so you know, it has
1:14:47
Speaker 12: a great history. The other interesting thing about that is
1:14:51
Speaker 12: that the fellow who was the first the first astronomer there,
1:14:58
Speaker 12: I mean in Cleveland, started collecting weather information and eventually
1:15:04
Speaker 12: he went to Washington, d c. And started the US
1:15:07
Speaker 12: Weather Service. So again another really fascinating piece of history
1:15:11
Speaker 12: that comes right out of Cincinnati.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: The first meteorologist came from Cincinnati.
1:15:16
Speaker 6: Wow.
1:15:16
Speaker 1: And you mentioned that the telescope it's still in operation.
1:15:19
Speaker 1: It was, it's from eighteen forty three, that's right.
1:15:24
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a classic.
1:15:26
Speaker 12: It's not, you know, not the power that some of
1:15:28
Speaker 12: our current telescopes are. No, but it's a kick that
1:15:31
Speaker 12: it's still there and still works. And you know, they've
1:15:35
Speaker 12: got a couple of nights a week when the sky
1:15:37
Speaker 12: is clear and folks can drop by.
1:15:39
Speaker 2: And take a look at the moon or some of
1:15:41
Speaker 2: the planets.
1:15:42
Speaker 1: That is so cool. Rick Pender, you would I have
1:15:45
Speaker 1: to ask you. Since the book name of the book
1:15:47
Speaker 1: is Oldest Cincinnati, and my listeners can get a copy
1:15:49
Speaker 1: of it at fifty five care sea dot com. Joe's
1:15:51
Speaker 1: going to update the blog page to put a link
1:15:53
Speaker 1: there and we'll get the information about your book signing,
1:15:56
Speaker 1: which is coming up to what's the oldest thing that
1:15:58
Speaker 1: you have in your book? I have to asked that
1:16:00
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a spoiler on this rick,
1:16:02
Speaker 1: but we well.
1:16:03
Speaker 2: Know that's all right.
1:16:04
Speaker 12: The oldest thing that I talk about are some highways
1:16:08
Speaker 12: in northern Kentucky. Now that may not make sense, but
1:16:12
Speaker 12: let me explain. There used to be buffalo that roamed
1:16:15
Speaker 12: on the plains in central Ohio, and as the winter
1:16:19
Speaker 12: weather came upon them, they migrated south, sort of like
1:16:22
Speaker 12: our birds do today. They came down this way, they
1:16:26
Speaker 12: crossed the river where the Licking and the Ohio meet
1:16:30
Speaker 12: because it got very shallow that time of year, and
1:16:33
Speaker 12: then they pounded their way on down into Kentucky and
1:16:36
Speaker 12: created what we call today buffalo roads. And many of
1:16:40
Speaker 12: those are the highways that are still there. Dixie Highway
1:16:44
Speaker 12: is one of those roads. You know, that's US twenty seven,
1:16:48
Speaker 12: So you know there are all these pathways through northern
1:16:52
Speaker 12: Kentucky that those buffalo made. I like to say they
1:16:55
Speaker 12: were our first traffic engineers. And that was about ten
1:16:59
Speaker 12: thousand years ago that that was happening. That's the oldest
1:17:02
Speaker 12: that I have.
1:17:02
Speaker 2: In the book.
1:17:03
Speaker 1: Well, and I want to ask you, obviously subjective, everybody's
1:17:06
Speaker 1: got their own favorite thing, but what's your favorite place?
1:17:10
Speaker 1: That the place that you never get tired of? For me, like,
1:17:12
Speaker 1: for example, Crone Conservatory has a warm place in my heart.
1:17:15
Speaker 1: My parents took me there. My mom took me there
1:17:17
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid. It always fascinated me,
1:17:19
Speaker 1: you know, the plans and the way it just feels
1:17:21
Speaker 1: when you're in walking around. So I could go there
1:17:24
Speaker 1: probably every day of the week and never get tired
1:17:26
Speaker 1: of it. Is there something in your book or books
1:17:28
Speaker 1: that you could gravitate to and feel that way about?
1:17:31
Speaker 13: Specifically, Rick, I'll tell you I live right in downtown
1:17:36
Speaker 13: Cincinnati in a condo on the banks of the Ohio River,
1:17:40
Speaker 13: and I can look out my window and see the
1:17:42
Speaker 13: Suspension Bridge.
1:17:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's it, you know.
1:17:45
Speaker 12: I mean everybody sees it, knows it. But it has
1:17:48
Speaker 12: a great history and it is something that I like
1:17:52
Speaker 12: to think of as it really is the what part
1:17:55
Speaker 12: of what binds northern Kentucky and Cincinnati together. And we've
1:17:58
Speaker 12: got lots of shared His Street between between those areas,
1:18:03
Speaker 12: but that it is a beautiful piece of architecture. It
1:18:06
Speaker 12: is great has great history. You know, it was built.
1:18:09
Speaker 12: When it was originally built, it was also a foot
1:18:12
Speaker 12: bridge and a carriage bridge, and people paid a couple
1:18:15
Speaker 12: of pennies to walk across it. When it opened in
1:18:18
Speaker 12: eighteen sixty six, a couple like more than one hundred
1:18:21
Speaker 12: thousand people walked across it in the first couple of
1:18:24
Speaker 12: days that it was open. So if the biggest traction
1:18:27
Speaker 12: then and it still.
1:18:28
Speaker 1: Is today, and it is beautiful, there's no question about it.
1:18:32
Speaker 1: You're going to do a book signing tonight. Tell my
1:18:33
Speaker 1: listeners the details on that one, because I know you're
1:18:36
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of people that want to
1:18:37
Speaker 1: get a copy of Oldest Cincinnati.
1:18:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks. I'm going to be at the Reading Library.
1:18:43
Speaker 12: It's at eighty seven forty Reading Road at six thirty
1:18:46
Speaker 12: this evening, and I've picked out about fifteen things from
1:18:51
Speaker 12: my book. There are there are ninety items pulled together
1:18:55
Speaker 12: in this book, but I'm going.
1:18:56
Speaker 2: To talk about fifteen or so of them.
1:18:58
Speaker 12: I'll talk for thirty five forty minutes and then be
1:19:01
Speaker 12: happy to answer questions, and I'll have books there if
1:19:04
Speaker 12: people are interested.
1:19:05
Speaker 2: In buying them.
1:19:06
Speaker 1: Rick Pender, local author his latest book, Oldest Cincinnati. We'll
1:19:09
Speaker 1: have Rick back on when he gets this third edition
1:19:11
Speaker 1: of Wondering Things to Do in Cincinnati Before you Die. Rick,
1:19:14
Speaker 1: always a pleasure keep writing the good stuff about the
1:19:16
Speaker 1: city that we both love and listeners get under the
1:19:19
Speaker 1: Reading Branch library. This evening six thirty, Joe Streckel will
1:19:23
Speaker 1: put all the information on my blog page, Rick, so
1:19:25
Speaker 1: they can easily go to fifty five Caresee dot com
1:19:27
Speaker 1: and get that as well as a copy of your book.
1:19:30
Speaker 2: That's great, Thanks so much, thank.
1:19:32
Speaker 1: You for documenting Cincinnati's glorious history. Rick Pender will have
1:19:35
Speaker 1: you on again real soon. The return of here Don
1:19:38
Speaker 1: Heinrich Toltzman, Are I like to joke Resident German expert
1:19:42
Speaker 1: and historian on things German? Don Toltsman, welcome back to
1:19:46
Speaker 1: the fifty five Carceme morning showing a very happy new
1:19:48
Speaker 1: year to you, my.
1:19:48
Speaker 14: Friend Guten Morgan, Guten Morgan and Brian. It was really
1:19:51
Speaker 14: good to talk to you, and I want to wish
1:19:53
Speaker 14: you a happy new year and I hope we can
1:19:56
Speaker 14: get together at a German festival this year and enjoy
1:20:00
Speaker 14: some good German beer together.
1:20:01
Speaker 1: Is there any doubt in your mind that that's going
1:20:04
Speaker 1: to happen to come on. Man, I'm already looking forward
1:20:07
Speaker 1: to I got my notice the other day about shoots Infest.
1:20:10
Speaker 1: They said, keep the date open. Here's the shoots Infest date.
1:20:13
Speaker 1: I can't say it off the top of my head
1:20:14
Speaker 1: because I got to remember it, but I know that
1:20:16
Speaker 1: one's coming and I always enjoy that. And of course
1:20:19
Speaker 1: all the spring fall and winter celebrations, the Christmas celebration,
1:20:22
Speaker 1: everything with the German clubs. It's just it is a
1:20:24
Speaker 1: great time. They are a great group of people.
1:20:26
Speaker 6: They are.
1:20:27
Speaker 1: And so you got a second edition of your book.
1:20:29
Speaker 1: It's called The Robling Suspension Bridge, A Guide to Historic Sites,
1:20:32
Speaker 1: People and Places, second edition by my guest Harr Toltzman.
1:20:36
Speaker 1: What's different about this? First off, when did the first
1:20:39
Speaker 1: edition come out? I know it's been published for a while.
1:20:41
Speaker 1: And what prompted you to do the second.
1:20:43
Speaker 14: Well, it came out. First edition came out in twenty seventeen,
1:20:47
Speaker 14: and the reason it came out was that was one
1:20:50
Speaker 14: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Robling Suspension Bridge and
1:20:57
Speaker 14: there was a Robling Fest that we had here in Coverington.
1:21:01
Speaker 14: It was sponsored by the Covington Cincinnati Suspension Bridge Committee
1:21:06
Speaker 14: of which I'm a historian, So I brought out that
1:21:10
Speaker 14: book for that occasion, and we had a big event
1:21:12
Speaker 14: and celebration at that time, and as a matter of fact,
1:21:16
Speaker 14: Chris Robling, a great great grandson of John Robling, was here,
1:21:21
Speaker 14: so we've got a chance to meet him. And since
1:21:25
Speaker 14: that time, I continue to do research on Robling and
1:21:32
Speaker 14: the Bridge and collected a lot more information and really
1:21:40
Speaker 14: double the size of the first edition. So I thought
1:21:43
Speaker 14: it'd be a good idea to bring out this this
1:21:47
Speaker 14: new edition because I, you know, had collected so much.
1:21:50
Speaker 14: And also I responded to so many questions that I
1:21:54
Speaker 14: get about Robling in the Bridge, and so I wanted
1:21:59
Speaker 14: to respond to them. And I should say too that
1:22:04
Speaker 14: much of what has been written about Robling understandably focuses
1:22:09
Speaker 14: on the Brooklyn Bridge, not our bridge.
1:22:13
Speaker 4: Uh.
1:22:13
Speaker 14: And also what has written been written about him is
1:22:16
Speaker 14: mostly based on second hand sources rather than people who
1:22:23
Speaker 14: knew him personally. And what I tried to do is
1:22:27
Speaker 14: to get to want to I want to get the sources,
1:22:30
Speaker 14: uh or find one of somebody who knew him. And
1:22:35
Speaker 14: also I did research in local archives such as the
1:22:41
Speaker 14: Cincinnati History Library at the Union Terminal, but the one
1:22:45
Speaker 14: archive that was especially important for me is that was
1:22:49
Speaker 14: the Robling Collection, which is at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
1:22:55
Speaker 14: in New York. And this is this is the collection
1:22:58
Speaker 14: of Roebling's own records of his bridges, of his notes,
1:23:04
Speaker 14: his plans, diaries, and so on. So what I put
1:23:09
Speaker 14: together here in the second edition really is it's a
1:23:12
Speaker 14: gold mine of information about our bridge and Robley. It's
1:23:18
Speaker 14: like an Encyclopedia handbook about Roby and the bridge.
1:23:23
Speaker 1: I guess I'm always wildly curious when you think about
1:23:26
Speaker 1: the technology that existed when this bridge opened in eighteen
1:23:29
Speaker 1: sixty seven, and that was the bridge formal opening and
1:23:32
Speaker 1: celebration day, So it took a while to build this,
1:23:35
Speaker 1: and you probably know exactly how long it did. But
1:23:37
Speaker 1: getting those footings in a moving river to start a bridge,
1:23:41
Speaker 1: and I just I'm not an engineer, so I don't
1:23:45
Speaker 1: get it. It's like the peace of God. But doing
1:23:47
Speaker 1: it now with modern technology, I imagine, is a damn
1:23:50
Speaker 1: sight easier than doing it back in the eighteen hundreds.
1:23:54
Speaker 1: I guess he was a trained engineer, and how did
1:23:56
Speaker 1: he learn how to build bridges?
1:23:57
Speaker 6: Generally?
1:23:59
Speaker 14: Well, he has studied engineering in Berlin at a polytechnical institute.
1:24:05
Speaker 14: There he had studied engineering, and when he came here,
1:24:11
Speaker 14: he moved to a town near Pittsburgh, and he started
1:24:16
Speaker 14: working with road construction aqueducts, and then he got into
1:24:20
Speaker 14: bridge building, and by the time he had gotten to
1:24:27
Speaker 14: our area, he had already constructed a number of aqueducts
1:24:31
Speaker 14: and bridges. And one thing is interesting that he spent
1:24:35
Speaker 14: more time in our area than in any other area
1:24:39
Speaker 14: working on the bridge. He first came here in eighteen
1:24:42
Speaker 14: forty six to survey the area and his first proposal
1:24:47
Speaker 14: was for one tower in the middle of the river,
1:24:51
Speaker 14: and nobody liked it and that was rejected. So he
1:24:55
Speaker 14: was back then in eighteen fifty six with the current
1:24:58
Speaker 14: plan for Tutaw and he started working in eighteen fifty six,
1:25:03
Speaker 14: but because of a financial panic, the work was halted,
1:25:08
Speaker 14: so he came back in eighteen sixty three. Then the
1:25:11
Speaker 14: bridge was dedicated finally in eighteen sixty seven. So over
1:25:14
Speaker 14: a period of twenty years, Roebling had been in our area,
1:25:19
Speaker 14: which was much more than any other area. So it's
1:25:23
Speaker 14: really there's a lot of fascinating things to tell him
1:25:27
Speaker 14: about him, and that's what I tried to uncover and
1:25:31
Speaker 14: some of the questions I get, like where did he
1:25:33
Speaker 14: stay when he was here? So I located places where
1:25:37
Speaker 14: he stayed in Covington and where his son stayed. And
1:25:42
Speaker 14: also one thing that I was really happy to find
1:25:46
Speaker 14: in going through some German language materials here I found
1:25:51
Speaker 14: in the writings of Heinrich rodernand he was a local historian.
1:25:55
Speaker 14: He actually met and got to know Robling and he
1:26:02
Speaker 14: met him over the rhine because in the evenings Roblin
1:26:06
Speaker 14: would like to come across the river and go to
1:26:08
Speaker 14: some of the beer gardens here.
1:26:10
Speaker 1: Can you believe that no, no one likes doing that. Well,
1:26:16
Speaker 1: that was OTR was party central, for if you wanted
1:26:19
Speaker 1: to get beer, can have a good time, that was
1:26:21
Speaker 1: where you went. I imagine those days exactly.
1:26:25
Speaker 14: So he came over here and Roderman got to know him.
1:26:29
Speaker 14: And what I liked about this report that I found
1:26:32
Speaker 14: up was and it was in German. And I can
1:26:34
Speaker 14: understand that it has never been cited elsewhere because other
1:26:38
Speaker 14: historians have not focused on our Bridge and especially anything
1:26:43
Speaker 14: in German. But Roderman wrote about what he was like
1:26:47
Speaker 14: and how sociable he was, how talkative he was, how
1:26:52
Speaker 14: he liked to talk about the bridge, and at that time,
1:26:56
Speaker 14: some people were very doubtful about building a suspension bridge.
1:27:02
Speaker 14: They doubted it would be strong enough and durable enough
1:27:05
Speaker 14: to withstand the pressure of the loads, and he convinced
1:27:09
Speaker 14: a lot of people of its durability and encourage people
1:27:14
Speaker 14: to invest in the bridge. So it's interesting he liked
1:27:19
Speaker 14: to talk a lot about philosophy because when he was
1:27:22
Speaker 14: in Berlin he studied under Hegel, the German philosopher, and
1:27:27
Speaker 14: he was very interested in philosophical topics and he was
1:27:32
Speaker 14: really a renaissance person and a genius. And so I
1:27:38
Speaker 14: really like getting a close up picture that i've of Roderman.
1:27:42
Speaker 14: What do he looked and also what did he look
1:27:45
Speaker 14: like physically? Well, he was a very imposing person. He
1:27:49
Speaker 14: was very animated, and Roderman goes into describing that, and
1:27:54
Speaker 14: so what I tried, I think this will provide a
1:27:57
Speaker 14: close picture of what Robling was like as a person
1:28:02
Speaker 14: personality and physically what did he look like?
1:28:05
Speaker 4: I mean, just so.
1:28:07
Speaker 14: That's just other things that I did find too from
1:28:11
Speaker 14: the Robling collection. I even located Roebling's memo book, an
1:28:17
Speaker 14: address book where he he wrote down addresses of people
1:28:22
Speaker 14: here in our area, and then he'd write comments about people.
1:28:26
Speaker 14: So it's kind of an insight sent Yeah, what he
1:28:30
Speaker 14: thought about people?
1:28:31
Speaker 9: About that.
1:28:34
Speaker 1: Let's see, everybody's asking you about what the you know,
1:28:35
Speaker 1: what was Robling like? And he's going around writing down
1:28:38
Speaker 1: what he thinks of other you know, probably somewhat famous
1:28:40
Speaker 1: people or people known to the region.
1:28:42
Speaker 6: Fascinating account.
1:28:43
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're able to stumble across those archives that
1:28:45
Speaker 1: hadn't been looked into anymore, harr Toltzman. The name of
1:28:48
Speaker 1: the book again is the Robling Suspension Bridge, A Guide
1:28:50
Speaker 1: to Historic Sites, People in Places, second edition. With all
1:28:52
Speaker 1: this new wealth of information about John Robling and his
1:28:55
Speaker 1: family and the other construction projects he was on real
1:28:57
Speaker 1: quick before he parted company because we have to you said,
1:29:01
Speaker 1: he got people to invest in it. Was this like
1:29:03
Speaker 1: a public works project that he was retained to do.
1:29:07
Speaker 1: I don't have any idea how this bridge would get
1:29:09
Speaker 1: built back then. I mean, did did they solicit it
1:29:11
Speaker 1: out for bid? Did the city go looking for someone
1:29:13
Speaker 1: to build it? Was this his idea? Real briefly, don Well.
1:29:17
Speaker 14: It was a private corporation, a company called the Covington
1:29:23
Speaker 14: Cincinnati Bridge Company, that was incorporated in eighteen forty six. Okay, so,
1:29:30
Speaker 14: and that company owned the bridge actually up until nineteen
1:29:35
Speaker 14: fifty three when it was sold to the state of Kentucky.
1:29:39
Speaker 14: So the company contracted with Robling to build the bridge. See,
1:29:45
Speaker 14: so they needed to enlist investors in the company. And
1:29:50
Speaker 14: this is another interesting.
1:29:51
Speaker 6: Thing I got, Don.
1:29:53
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we're at a time and I don't want
1:29:55
Speaker 1: to get the Harry eyeball from Joe. Just had get
1:29:57
Speaker 1: the book, folks. Joe Strecker is going to add to
1:29:59
Speaker 1: my blow page so people can easily get a copy
1:30:01
Speaker 1: of it. Don Tolsman, It's always great talking with you,
1:30:03
Speaker 1: and yes, I will be drinking a beer with you
1:30:05
Speaker 1: at one of the German fests this year. God bless you, sir,
1:30:08
Speaker 1: and a very happy New Year and best to health
1:30:10
Speaker 1: you in your family. My friend Tamara Leech, she's got
1:30:12
Speaker 1: a new book, Hold the Line, My story from the
1:30:14
Speaker 1: heart of the Freedom Convoy passion an organizer, mother, grandmother,
1:30:18
Speaker 1: no loving when she is defiant, political prisoner, self described
1:30:22
Speaker 1: and jailed for daring to criticize the Canadian government and
1:30:26
Speaker 1: in fact maybe facing ten years in prison. Welcome to
1:30:29
Speaker 1: the program, Tamara Leech, to talk about your book. Hold
1:30:32
Speaker 1: the line, my whoops, hold the line, my story from
1:30:38
Speaker 1: the I lost my I'm sorry, ma'am, my page, my
1:30:43
Speaker 1: page disappeared in front of me. Anyway, it's the Canadian
1:30:47
Speaker 1: Trucker Story.
1:30:47
Speaker 6: I'll bring it back up.
1:30:49
Speaker 1: You know, this dominated the news here in the United
1:30:51
Speaker 1: States for quite a while. Marshall Law got declared over
1:30:55
Speaker 1: vaccine mandates. Remind my listeners the whole setup and how
1:30:59
Speaker 1: you became the face of and the target for this
1:31:02
Speaker 1: amazing protest that took place in twenty twenty two.
1:31:06
Speaker 10: Well, good morning, Brian, and thank you so much for
1:31:08
Speaker 10: having me. Yes, the book is called Voldem My Story
1:31:12
Speaker 10: from the Heart of the Freedom Convoy, and basically it
1:31:16
Speaker 10: all cod The COVID pandemic here in Canada is pretty
1:31:20
Speaker 10: dark times and I was watching you know, a lot
1:31:25
Speaker 10: of my sons and family their their families were brobibing.
1:31:28
Speaker 10: You know, we were only we weren't able to say
1:31:31
Speaker 10: goodbye to our love believe in long tan tail hands
1:31:33
Speaker 10: of you know, it's just so darth and depression. And
1:31:38
Speaker 10: as the rest of the world started opening us, you know,
1:31:41
Speaker 10: split towards the end of the pandemic, Canada our prime
1:31:45
Speaker 10: ministers to be inposed harsen harscale assistance. And it just
1:31:50
Speaker 10: got to a point when they when we declared the
1:31:52
Speaker 10: truck for mandate for the cross order any checkers and
1:31:57
Speaker 10: that wasn't us. A small baby less got together and
1:32:01
Speaker 10: decided he had to do something. And the raftic history
1:32:06
Speaker 10: it is.
1:32:07
Speaker 1: And honestly, your protests and everything you stood for and
1:32:10
Speaker 1: still stand for, he turned. It turned out you're on
1:32:13
Speaker 1: the right side of the ledger on all this. I mean,
1:32:14
Speaker 1: we were sold to bill of goods on these vaccines,
1:32:17
Speaker 1: multiple jabs, you know, get another one, get a booster jab,
1:32:20
Speaker 1: get four of them a year. You can't have a
1:32:23
Speaker 1: job unless you've been you've gotten the jab. It's your
1:32:26
Speaker 1: duty as a you know, a citizen of Canada or
1:32:29
Speaker 1: the United States, is the case, maybe to protect your
1:32:31
Speaker 1: fellow man against the spread of COVID. It never stopped
1:32:33
Speaker 1: the spread of COVID. It didn't stop people from getting COVID.
1:32:36
Speaker 1: And now all these vaccine mandates have been retracted or
1:32:39
Speaker 1: otherwise thrown out as a matter of law. What was
1:32:41
Speaker 1: Trudeau thinking? Was this all about a power grab? And
1:32:44
Speaker 1: how in God's name does a vaccine relate to truckers
1:32:48
Speaker 1: doing their job.
1:32:51
Speaker 10: You know, it was ridiculous. Our planets there is a
1:32:54
Speaker 10: puppulent file basically, and when he does think did it
1:32:57
Speaker 10: his own way, he bumped his feet and start calling name.
1:33:01
Speaker 10: He's been bastly what he did. And then he came
1:33:03
Speaker 10: right out of the gate calling us racists and he
1:33:05
Speaker 10: liked the gumicists and terrorists. You know, it's ridiculous, I
1:33:10
Speaker 10: said in my testimony when I when I was at
1:33:12
Speaker 10: the inquiry in the fall. You know, when you're the
1:33:14
Speaker 10: leader of a country, you don't get to pick and
1:33:16
Speaker 10: cheerity you needed. You have responsibility to put everyone, whether
1:33:20
Speaker 10: they believe the same ideology that they were not. So
1:33:24
Speaker 10: you know, we're I mean, he's a drama teacher. He
1:33:27
Speaker 10: was a part time drama teacher, a snowboard instructor. So
1:33:31
Speaker 10: you know, I don't I don't know what else we
1:33:33
Speaker 10: can't expect, but you know it the emergency Bascinat, he
1:33:37
Speaker 10: invoked it. The border had been peered, all of them,
1:33:40
Speaker 10: they tim extend the blockaded you know winter and seat
1:33:44
Speaker 10: of course I'm on the field. They that had already
1:33:47
Speaker 10: been cleared. And at one of the cyteria for invoking
1:33:51
Speaker 10: the emergency vaccis then has to be a threat to
1:33:54
Speaker 10: national security. So it wasn't the threat to national security.
1:33:58
Speaker 10: And you were in Ottawa, so you know, none of
1:34:01
Speaker 10: the stuff that he did in made sense if those
1:34:03
Speaker 10: the bank account the Canadians without arliamentary oversight, no point
1:34:08
Speaker 10: order from a judge, and that shit aligne every dady,
1:34:12
Speaker 10: everybody in the world, because if baysn do it in
1:34:14
Speaker 10: Canada like the most peafault polite, you know, country on
1:34:18
Speaker 10: the planet, basically make you do it anyway. And and
1:34:22
Speaker 10: that's parifying, you know. And he had mom stuck at
1:34:24
Speaker 10: glas Counters that could he pay for the groceries they
1:34:27
Speaker 10: had to leave them Marior.
1:34:28
Speaker 5: You know how.
1:34:28
Speaker 10: Embarrassfing that is? Its famine, that couldn't buy meditation fit
1:34:32
Speaker 10: their children? Uh? People, could he paid in more of
1:34:35
Speaker 10: the cares that could he create their child support?
1:34:37
Speaker 3: You know? It was It was terrible and.
1:34:42
Speaker 1: No part of the Yeah, okay, So they ignored parliament
1:34:46
Speaker 1: much in the same way that you know, executive orders
1:34:48
Speaker 1: here in the United States ignore the powers of Congress like,
1:34:51
Speaker 1: for example, powers of person and the legislative branch in lawmaking.
1:34:54
Speaker 4: Uh.
1:34:54
Speaker 1: And the idea that they were able to seal bank
1:34:57
Speaker 1: accounts without due process, denying people access to their own
1:35:00
Speaker 1: property based upon their refusal to get a vaccine. That
1:35:05
Speaker 1: we even lived through this period of time is mind blowing.
1:35:08
Speaker 1: Tell my listeners what is the rule low commission findings?
1:35:11
Speaker 1: What are those about? Because I'm I'm not familiar with
1:35:14
Speaker 1: that myself, Tamera, Yes.
1:35:18
Speaker 10: Well, the Relow Commission was the Public Order Emergit Conmission.
1:35:22
Speaker 10: Basically the inquiry any kind of thing invoked the EMERGIP
1:35:25
Speaker 10: vac in Canada. Well, that was the first time that
1:35:28
Speaker 10: they have to have an inquiry. It's it's law, it's legislation,
1:35:32
Speaker 10: and so they had this inquiry into in any indication
1:35:36
Speaker 10: of the Act. And basically what the commission came out
1:35:40
Speaker 10: and said was that government and competence is now the
1:35:43
Speaker 10: main bar for evoth the EMERGIP doc. He said that
1:35:47
Speaker 10: he agreed that they did the right thing, even though
1:35:51
Speaker 10: none of the criteria for invoking the act.
1:35:53
Speaker 7: It's net.
1:35:54
Speaker 10: This tells me that Number one, I'll charter of writing
1:35:57
Speaker 10: freedom the emergency as legislation, we aren't most the pay
1:36:01
Speaker 10: for the written on if he could just tossed him out.
1:36:04
Speaker 10: There was no sabotlaus, there was no spionage there was
1:36:07
Speaker 10: no national security. It was nonsense. And what it was was,
1:36:13
Speaker 10: you know, he embarrassed themselves. He embarrassed himself and he
1:36:18
Speaker 10: bat he falls into a corner. And yet me tell you,
1:36:20
Speaker 10: our Prime Minister is the swamping it, the bit to
1:36:23
Speaker 10: use the and the beginning of COVID at the beginning
1:36:26
Speaker 10: of the pandemic. He has signed it. He has signedy
1:36:29
Speaker 10: in bulk again so that he can expend the itever
1:36:31
Speaker 10: he wanted to be on the condemnic without you know,
1:36:34
Speaker 10: any any parliamentary oversight again the data in the House
1:36:38
Speaker 10: of Commons.
1:36:38
Speaker 7: And for my.
1:36:39
Speaker 1: American friends who are listening here in the Tri State area,
1:36:41
Speaker 1: let me just remind folks about martial law declarations, which
1:36:45
Speaker 1: is exactly the kind of thing we're talking about. Nobody
1:36:47
Speaker 1: salivates over invoking martial law more than people want to
1:36:50
Speaker 1: control every element of our lives. And suspending our Constitution
1:36:53
Speaker 1: and our Fourth Amendment rights and our First and Second
1:36:56
Speaker 1: Amendment rights is of course all in line with a
1:36:58
Speaker 1: martial law declaration. You've lived through this, you're also still
1:37:03
Speaker 1: facing trial. What are the charges that have been levied
1:37:06
Speaker 1: against you?
1:37:07
Speaker 6: Tamera?
1:37:07
Speaker 1: And and uh it sounds to me like you have
1:37:10
Speaker 1: a wonderfully defensible case. But what are they What are
1:37:12
Speaker 1: they charging you with? Or have they charged you with?
1:37:16
Speaker 10: Mixtif mischief makes difference? So you missed yes, like which
1:37:20
Speaker 10: I'm not sure what you're looking in mog and life
1:37:22
Speaker 10: in the United States, But in Canada, a midsgift charge
1:37:24
Speaker 10: would be extended spray painting graffiti on the side of
1:37:27
Speaker 10: a wall. You know. It's well, So I've been charge
1:37:31
Speaker 10: of missiff counseling to submit missif intimidation and counseling intimidation,
1:37:36
Speaker 10: which is quite funny because I'm only five feet falling
1:37:39
Speaker 10: about one hundred and fifty pounds. I don't I don't
1:37:41
Speaker 10: consider myself very intimidating. You know, It's just nonsense. It's
1:37:46
Speaker 10: all nonsense. And so he wants ten years in jail.
1:37:50
Speaker 10: So it's Cliff Barbara and I were a cull of
1:37:52
Speaker 10: key ten years in jale for that, Nita Quick Barber. No,
1:37:56
Speaker 10: I have a pentemal elector and he has no history
1:37:58
Speaker 10: in violence.
1:37:59
Speaker 5: Uh.
1:38:00
Speaker 10: I've never even been in facebook Gale before, so you know,
1:38:04
Speaker 10: and we have a very over either and emotionally invested
1:38:07
Speaker 10: sound prosecutor, which is literally is quite horrifying. To even say,
1:38:12
Speaker 10: you know, his job is simply to uphold the Vidion law,
1:38:15
Speaker 10: but he is been big base and beneful and this
1:38:18
Speaker 10: is more like a perfeccession.
1:38:21
Speaker 1: Well, I'm certain it does. And it sounds to me
1:38:24
Speaker 1: like one of your defenses, if they is that they
1:38:26
Speaker 1: trod upon the rule of law in order to bring
1:38:28
Speaker 1: about a charge against you and so many other people
1:38:31
Speaker 1: that were involved in these protests.
1:38:34
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's over leaps at uh
1:38:38
Speaker 10: at the highest level, and it's big, clatly bitous. I
1:38:44
Speaker 10: mean a catab in their racist similarers get treated better
1:38:47
Speaker 10: than fifth than I. And you know our child starts
1:38:50
Speaker 10: to kindle the fifth and it wraps up in the
1:38:53
Speaker 10: middle of October for mich gift.
1:38:56
Speaker 5: You know, mother stuy's a lot that long.
1:38:59
Speaker 6: I know, No, they don't.
1:39:01
Speaker 1: And honestly, I am a litigation at t anybody trade,
1:39:03
Speaker 1: not a criminal h I wasn't ever practitioner criminal law.
1:39:07
Speaker 1: But you know, in American jurisprudence, the idea that you
1:39:10
Speaker 1: could be charged with something as absurd sounding as mischief
1:39:13
Speaker 1: is seemingly a laughable thing. And we do have a
1:39:15
Speaker 1: First Amendment and right to free speech and you know,
1:39:18
Speaker 1: quite often free free speech can be deemed by at
1:39:21
Speaker 1: least some subjectively as mischievous. That's what I get paid
1:39:25
Speaker 1: to do, Tamera, is be mischievous on the radio. Here lord,
1:39:29
Speaker 1: that's right, Hold the line.
1:39:31
Speaker 6: The name of the book, Hold the line, go ahead?
1:39:35
Speaker 10: Oh sorry, I think they say. And the thing, as
1:39:37
Speaker 10: you know, I was being lives in videos all the time,
1:39:41
Speaker 10: continularly advocating to each expecting our police officers, be expecting
1:39:46
Speaker 10: your rule of law. So yeah, it's it's nonsense.
1:39:51
Speaker 6: Well we always you the best.
1:39:52
Speaker 1: Is there a sort of a legal defense fund that
1:39:54
Speaker 1: you are that people can can make contributions to, or
1:39:58
Speaker 1: maybe perhaps that's maybe is buying a copy of a
1:40:00
Speaker 1: Hold the Line My story from the heart of the
1:40:02
Speaker 1: Freedom Convoy as a mechanism of helping you defend yourself
1:40:06
Speaker 1: because no one knows more than me how expensive litigation is.
1:40:09
Speaker 1: And of course, when your life and your freedom and
1:40:11
Speaker 1: liberty are on the line, it's very important you have
1:40:13
Speaker 1: a good legal defense on your side.
1:40:17
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, there, yeah, And it's sssly because you know,
1:40:21
Speaker 10: this case is goes I'll come about trial is going
1:40:24
Speaker 10: to affect all Canadians. Yes, you know, going forward you know,
1:40:28
Speaker 10: and we have a right to see and I'm so
1:40:32
Speaker 10: must see that. I've got an organization that's taught me
1:40:35
Speaker 10: fund my defense. They called the Democracy Fund here in Canada,
1:40:39
Speaker 10: and there a terrible organization and donation day, the Democraphy
1:40:44
Speaker 10: Direct Democracy Fund dot G. And yeah, so you've got
1:40:49
Speaker 10: a We've got a long, good ahead of us, and
1:40:50
Speaker 10: you're right, and it is not cheap. And I've got
1:40:54
Speaker 10: a great player and got a great team. So yeah,
1:40:58
Speaker 10: I'm looking forward to my dand court.
1:41:00
Speaker 1: The Democracyfund dot CAA obviously for Canada if you want
1:41:03
Speaker 1: to help her out, and of course, get a copy
1:41:05
Speaker 1: of the book. It's important that we keep in touch
1:41:07
Speaker 1: and stay in touch with this and I will definitely
1:41:09
Speaker 1: be following what happens you at trial. Tamara Leech my
1:41:12
Speaker 1: guest today. Get a copy of the book at fifty
1:41:14
Speaker 1: five care Sea dot com. Hold the line my story
1:41:16
Speaker 1: from the heart of the Freedom Convoy, Tamara, keep up
1:41:19
Speaker 1: the great work.
1:41:20
Speaker 6: My next guest. You know her, I'm sure you do.
1:41:23
Speaker 6: My listeners do.
1:41:24
Speaker 1: Carrie Lake, she just read a book and it's just
1:41:26
Speaker 1: been released. Unafraid, just getting started. Daughter of a teacher
1:41:29
Speaker 1: and a nurse. She grew up in Iowa next to
1:41:31
Speaker 1: her eight siblings, learned the value of a hard day's work,
1:41:34
Speaker 1: which is so important. She pursued a career in the
1:41:37
Speaker 1: news industry, where she'd become a symbol of truth in journalism.
1:41:40
Speaker 1: She was rejected the agenda driven press, walking away from
1:41:43
Speaker 1: the mainstream media after a highly successful twenty seven year career. Thereafter,
1:41:48
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, she ran for governor of Arizona,
1:41:50
Speaker 1: got the endorsement of President Donald J. Trump, and earned
1:41:54
Speaker 1: a moniker that I'm sure she wears with great pride,
1:41:57
Speaker 1: the most dangerous politician in America. Carrie, Welcome to the
1:42:00
Speaker 1: fifty five Caresity Morning Show. It's great to have you
1:42:03
Speaker 1: on today.
1:42:04
Speaker 5: Hi.
1:42:05
Speaker 15: Yeah, you're in danger talking to.
1:42:06
Speaker 16: Me, Brian I am.
1:42:07
Speaker 1: I am so afraid Carrie, to give you a forum
1:42:10
Speaker 1: on this program. We love having folks like you on
1:42:14
Speaker 1: the fifty five cares of the Morning Show. Why the
1:42:17
Speaker 1: mainstream media really labeled you the most dangerous politician in America?
1:42:20
Speaker 1: Is this because you had the good fortune of getting
1:42:24
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's endorsement. What was behind that, Carrie?
1:42:28
Speaker 8: Well, I think they.
1:42:29
Speaker 15: See me as the threat I am to the political
1:42:31
Speaker 15: and media establishment. I'm calling them out for what they're doing.
1:42:35
Speaker 15: I'm articulate. I understand how the media and the fake
1:42:38
Speaker 15: news works. I worked in the media for thirty years,
1:42:43
Speaker 15: and you know, they saw what we had in Arizona.
1:42:46
Speaker 15: We still have. It's a major movement. The people are
1:42:49
Speaker 15: awake in Arizona. They all stepped forward. They got involved
1:42:52
Speaker 15: so much so that the only way to stop us
1:42:54
Speaker 15: was to rig an election, which they did. But I'll
1:42:56
Speaker 15: never forget the day. You know, my amazing team would
1:43:00
Speaker 15: send me the press clippings, and you know, if I
1:43:02
Speaker 15: had a little time in the morning, I kind of
1:43:03
Speaker 15: go through and see what they were writing about me,
1:43:05
Speaker 15: which was always negative. It's so sad that that the
1:43:08
Speaker 15: press has gone so rotten because everything about our campaign
1:43:11
Speaker 15: was positive, but they wrote they wrote about me kind
1:43:14
Speaker 15: of like they wrote about Trump. And I will never
1:43:16
Speaker 15: forget the morning I woke up, I'm drinking my coffee
1:43:18
Speaker 15: and I see the headline the most dangerous politician in America,
1:43:22
Speaker 15: And I scrolled down, thinking it's going to be a
1:43:25
Speaker 15: picture of President Trump and it's me And I'm thinking,
1:43:28
Speaker 15: little old me, a mom from Arizona who's fed up
1:43:32
Speaker 15: with the way things are going and dares to step
1:43:34
Speaker 15: into politics, and they call me, that's what they labeled me.
1:43:38
Speaker 15: But I am a danger to the system, the status quo.
1:43:41
Speaker 15: We the people are a danger to the status quo
1:43:44
Speaker 15: because it seems that we've forgotten that we hold the
1:43:46
Speaker 15: power in the government. And I'm about bringing the government,
1:43:51
Speaker 15: getting the government back to the people. And that's why
1:43:54
Speaker 15: I'm a danger to them.
1:43:55
Speaker 1: Well, you're reminding the people that they are in control.
1:43:58
Speaker 1: And this is what's so frustrating for me, because you
1:44:00
Speaker 1: and I share the same you know, I like to
1:44:02
Speaker 1: refer myself as a little libertarian. I believe you know,
1:44:05
Speaker 1: I trust you with your zipper and your wallet. I
1:44:07
Speaker 1: want minimal government in my life. I want my own
1:44:09
Speaker 1: freedom to choose my own life direction. That is the
1:44:11
Speaker 1: beauty of being American. But it bothers me so much
1:44:15
Speaker 1: that so many people are either they don't care, they
1:44:18
Speaker 1: want to be controlled, that they don't mind being manipulated,
1:44:21
Speaker 1: or I'm my default is they're just asleep, you know,
1:44:25
Speaker 1: after all the trials and tribulations and everything else they
1:44:27
Speaker 1: got to deal with. You know, they're stuck on watching
1:44:29
Speaker 1: binge watching programs. They don't have time to even lift
1:44:33
Speaker 1: a finger to pay attention to politics, and when they do,
1:44:35
Speaker 1: they default to their ten minute little dose of CBS
1:44:38
Speaker 1: and that's all they get. That is not enough for
1:44:42
Speaker 1: an educated and informed electorate to stand up against this
1:44:46
Speaker 1: micro management we're getting from federal government more and more
1:44:48
Speaker 1: every day, you know.
1:44:51
Speaker 15: And I don't blame the people. I'm saddened if by
1:44:56
Speaker 15: what's happening. You know, if all you know is the
1:44:59
Speaker 15: news you're you're told, you know, you still believe that
1:45:02
Speaker 15: the papers you pick up, you haven't been exposed to
1:45:05
Speaker 15: other sources where you kind of get the red pill
1:45:07
Speaker 15: or where you go, wait a minute, that's nothing's adding
1:45:10
Speaker 15: up right now. This is a massive operation to brainwash
1:45:15
Speaker 15: Americans and the people. I was sitting at lunch yesterday
1:45:19
Speaker 15: and there was a table of young people, probably twenty
1:45:22
Speaker 15: twenty one year olds behind me, maybe a little older
1:45:24
Speaker 15: than that, and they were just talking about how the
1:45:27
Speaker 15: systemic racism, and you know, the whole conversation was obviously
1:45:31
Speaker 15: these woke, you know, brainwashing that they have endured for
1:45:37
Speaker 15: I don't know, probably fourteen years of their education life.
1:45:41
Speaker 15: When you're raised in that environment, the news is lying
1:45:44
Speaker 15: to you, The schooling and education is lying to you,
1:45:48
Speaker 15: that's exactly what you get are a bunch of brainwashed
1:45:51
Speaker 15: people walking around thinking that this is all normal. And
1:45:54
Speaker 15: it takes kind of a jolt to wake you up.
1:45:56
Speaker 15: And I'm hoping that more people are kind of wising
1:45:59
Speaker 15: up to a just seeing and not tuning into.
1:46:01
Speaker 8: The fake news.
1:46:03
Speaker 1: Carry Lake, author of the book we're talking about today, Unafraid,
1:46:05
Speaker 1: just getting started. I guess the other really confounding and
1:46:11
Speaker 1: frightening component of this is it's not just mainstream media,
1:46:14
Speaker 1: the George Soros manipulators out in the world, the moneyed
1:46:16
Speaker 1: interest that always have this more globalist agenda. But now
1:46:20
Speaker 1: we know that our federal government is also working behind
1:46:22
Speaker 1: the scenes two our more conservative minded disadvantage. I mean,
1:46:26
Speaker 1: you look at what happened the Comber has revealed with
1:46:28
Speaker 1: the whistleblowers and the irs and the foreign government payments
1:46:31
Speaker 1: that they didn't bother lifting a finger to do. They
1:46:33
Speaker 1: let it ay slow walk it. So a statute of
1:46:34
Speaker 1: limitations would kick in the disparate treatment of Donald Trump
1:46:38
Speaker 1: compared to all of the others who have had you know,
1:46:40
Speaker 1: so called confidential documents in their position. I mean, for
1:46:43
Speaker 1: anybody who pays any attention they see that this deck
1:46:46
Speaker 1: is so stacked against freedom loving conservative mind of individuals
1:46:49
Speaker 1: like ourselves. I'm thinking some people just say I can't
1:46:52
Speaker 1: fight it.
1:46:55
Speaker 15: Well, but we can, and we can. The only way
1:46:58
Speaker 15: we lose is when we quit. My dad was that
1:47:02
Speaker 15: you lose. When you quit, you lose.
1:47:04
Speaker 3: That's it.
1:47:04
Speaker 15: You're done. So we're going to fight every day. And
1:47:08
Speaker 15: you know they're going after They're going after the good guys.
1:47:11
Speaker 15: The media is going after Donald Trump relentlessly, other people
1:47:14
Speaker 15: who are America first. You see, you know, they're fighting
1:47:16
Speaker 15: for us, and you see the media going after them.
1:47:18
Speaker 15: I'm being sued now by an election official because I'm
1:47:22
Speaker 15: calling out the corruption and the elections, and now they're
1:47:26
Speaker 15: trying to assume me to stop me from from exposing
1:47:29
Speaker 15: the corruption of this rigged and stolen election, so they
1:47:32
Speaker 15: will continue to come after us. I mean that that's
1:47:35
Speaker 15: just how it's going to be. Nobody gets out of
1:47:37
Speaker 15: this on scathed. We're in the process of saving our country,
1:47:41
Speaker 15: restoring America to its glory, and restoring the power back
1:47:47
Speaker 15: to the people. I believe it's happening.
1:47:48
Speaker 2: I believe it is.
1:47:49
Speaker 15: We're in the process of restoring our government back to
1:47:52
Speaker 15: the American people, and it's not an easy process. It's
1:47:56
Speaker 15: kind of like the birthing process. It's it's not easy,
1:47:58
Speaker 15: it's painful, and nobody gets out of it unscathed. But
1:48:02
Speaker 15: what good is a comfortable life? If you're living a
1:48:05
Speaker 15: life right now and you know things are not working right,
1:48:08
Speaker 15: you know it's wrong. You know, maybe you're forced to
1:48:10
Speaker 15: get a vaccine against your will to keep your job,
1:48:13
Speaker 15: or maybe you're seeing this this justice system that is
1:48:18
Speaker 15: really an injustice system. We have to be willing to
1:48:22
Speaker 15: give everything up to save our country. And I'm talking
1:48:24
Speaker 15: about the paycheck, the benefits, the pension, the four oh
1:48:28
Speaker 15: one thing. What good is that if we're living in
1:48:31
Speaker 15: a country that is we're not free, that.
1:48:33
Speaker 8: We don't have our liberties.
1:48:34
Speaker 15: And that's why I walked away from my career. I
1:48:36
Speaker 15: just realized the media was the problem, and if I
1:48:39
Speaker 15: continue to work in the media, I was the problem.
1:48:42
Speaker 15: And I thought it was an immoral profession at that
1:48:45
Speaker 15: point because of the lies that were being told about
1:48:47
Speaker 15: COVID about the election. So I walked away from my career.
1:48:50
Speaker 15: And little did I know that the people would be
1:48:53
Speaker 15: so moved by that act of courage that they would
1:48:56
Speaker 15: start doing courageous things, and they started to ask me
1:48:59
Speaker 15: to run for office. Had never imagined getting into politics
1:49:02
Speaker 15: in my life, and I thought, well, you know, maybe
1:49:04
Speaker 15: this was a me being a bit naive after going
1:49:08
Speaker 15: through history classes through school. That's what our founding fathers envisioned,
1:49:13
Speaker 15: real people stepping forward and getting into politics, and so
1:49:16
Speaker 15: I jumped in. But little did I know, the swamp
1:49:19
Speaker 15: has a different set of rules. They only allow people
1:49:21
Speaker 15: in who they can blackmail and control. And that's why
1:49:25
Speaker 15: they threw such a fit when I got into politics,
1:49:27
Speaker 15: because they saw that the people were with me, because
1:49:30
Speaker 15: I was representing the people, and they just went all
1:49:35
Speaker 15: out war with us, and they could not stop us,
1:49:37
Speaker 15: other than to rig an election, roll out intentionally roll
1:49:41
Speaker 15: out broken machines on election day when our people were
1:49:44
Speaker 15: showing up, and they put those broken machines in Republican
1:49:48
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1:49:53
Speaker 15: people around the country don't realize it. And that's why
1:49:55
Speaker 15: I'm working hard to get the word out that we
1:49:57
Speaker 15: have to reform our elections. If we don't have on
1:50:00
Speaker 15: of selections, we will lose our country.
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1:52:53
Speaker 1: Please to welcome to the fifty five Carrace Morning Show.
1:52:55
Speaker 1: Author Robert J. Dela Hunt. He's a fellow the Claremont
1:52:59
Speaker 1: or a Claremont in Stay Center for American Way of
1:53:01
Speaker 1: Life in Washington. D c held a Lejune Chair of
1:53:04
Speaker 1: Law at the University of Saint Thomas Law School in
1:53:06
Speaker 1: Minneapolis until his retirement and is published widely on constitutional law.
1:53:10
Speaker 1: I served as US Department of Justice for seventeen years
1:53:13
Speaker 1: when was Deputy General Counsel in the White House Office
1:53:15
Speaker 1: of Homeland Security. Welcome to the program, Robert. It is
1:53:19
Speaker 1: a pleasure to talk to you about the politically Incorrect
1:53:22
Speaker 1: Guy to the Supreme Court.
1:53:23
Speaker 6: Welcome to the fifty five CAREC Morning Show.
1:53:26
Speaker 9: Well, thank you very much. It's a real pleasure in
1:53:28
Speaker 9: honor to be here.
1:53:29
Speaker 1: Pleasure and honor for me too, a fellow lawyer, I
1:53:32
Speaker 1: consider myself a recovering lawyer, Robert, I have. This is
1:53:35
Speaker 1: my seventeenth year in radio, and prior to that, I
1:53:38
Speaker 1: did sixteen years in litigation, both in private practice as
1:53:41
Speaker 1: well as in the corporate U I did. Yeah, I've
1:53:44
Speaker 1: kept my license up just in case. You know, I
1:53:47
Speaker 1: have bosses here too, so I like to be able
1:53:49
Speaker 1: to remind him that, you know, someday I could always
1:53:52
Speaker 1: go back to practicing law. But you and I both
1:53:54
Speaker 1: know the true reality of that. After seventeen years, maybe not.
1:53:58
Speaker 1: You obviously stayed at it. The politically Incorrect Guides they're
1:54:03
Speaker 1: not satire works necessarily, they're actually extremely informative works, and
1:54:09
Speaker 1: this is an extremely informative work on the Supreme Court.
1:54:13
Speaker 9: Well, thank you. Yes, it's a series it's published by Riginery,
1:54:17
Speaker 9: and ours happens to be the politically incorrect guide to
1:54:20
Speaker 9: the Supreme Court. But you could find others in the
1:54:23
Speaker 9: series about let's say, Christianity or Islam, or the Constitution
1:54:28
Speaker 9: or whatever you please. And they are designed and are
1:54:31
Speaker 9: certainly is designed to be user friendly. You don't need
1:54:35
Speaker 9: a legal education, you don't need a law degree to
1:54:38
Speaker 9: be able to read it and understand it. We aim
1:54:40
Speaker 9: for a general audience of people who want to learn
1:54:43
Speaker 9: about the workings and the history of the Supreme Court
1:54:46
Speaker 9: and to have an informed discussion of some of its
1:54:50
Speaker 9: major recent cases. If you're a retired person like me
1:54:54
Speaker 9: and you want to learn more about the court, this
1:54:56
Speaker 9: is a book for you. If you have a child
1:54:59
Speaker 9: or a grandchild at home home who has an interest
1:55:02
Speaker 9: in civics, again, this is a kind of book you
1:55:04
Speaker 9: could give as a gift. If you're an accountant but
1:55:09
Speaker 9: want to know more, or you have friendly arguments with
1:55:11
Speaker 9: your next door neighbor about the Court, this is meant
1:55:14
Speaker 9: for you. It's meant to be sophisticated. As you say,
1:55:17
Speaker 9: we both have careers in teaching and practicing constitutional law,
1:55:21
Speaker 9: but it's also meant to be accessible let.
1:55:24
Speaker 6: Me use let's go to Roe v.
1:55:26
Speaker 1: Wade, one of the most controversial decisions ever in the
1:55:29
Speaker 1: context of discussing originalists versus activist judges and the perception
1:55:34
Speaker 1: of the Constitution. Now, I always view it doesn't matter
1:55:38
Speaker 1: where your position is on abortion. I did never I
1:55:41
Speaker 1: never liked Roe v. Wade because it is a great
1:55:43
Speaker 1: illustration of judicial drafting legislation. I mean, where did trimesters
1:55:49
Speaker 1: come from? How did that come into play? We're talking
1:55:51
Speaker 1: about whether abortion is protected or not, and they end
1:55:54
Speaker 1: up with this long piece of what should have been
1:55:56
Speaker 1: legislation coming from a a constitution from the Supreme Court,
1:56:02
Speaker 1: you know, a constitutional based decision that equaled legislation. That
1:56:08
Speaker 1: to me is activism, whereas a court should have just
1:56:10
Speaker 1: either addressed the issue as within the confines of the
1:56:13
Speaker 1: Constitution or not. The law is either constitutional or not.
1:56:18
Speaker 1: If it is not explained, why overrule the law and
1:56:21
Speaker 1: then let the legislative branch go to work to refine
1:56:23
Speaker 1: it that so it consists with the law. People got
1:56:27
Speaker 1: up in arms and crazy over the idea that the
1:56:30
Speaker 1: judges the most recently issued the Supreme Court decision over
1:56:33
Speaker 1: ruling Roll Rowe, saying there's nothing in the Constitution that
1:56:37
Speaker 1: deals with this subject matter. This is not within the
1:56:40
Speaker 1: purview of the federal government. That returns the issue to
1:56:45
Speaker 1: the states, consistent with all powers not specifically reserved in
1:56:48
Speaker 1: the Constitution belong to the states. That is a originalist viewpoint.
1:56:53
Speaker 1: Am I wrong on my analysis on that?
1:56:55
Speaker 9: No, No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Of what
1:57:00
Speaker 9: the court does and constitutional decisions is to make sure
1:57:03
Speaker 9: that the decisions are made by the right decision maker.
1:57:08
Speaker 9: It doesn't decide on the policy of abortion. It decides
1:57:13
Speaker 9: who makes that call. It doesn't decide on the policy
1:57:17
Speaker 9: of student loan relief. It decides who makes that call.
1:57:21
Speaker 9: It doesn't it's not supposed to make substantive policy decisions.
1:57:26
Speaker 9: It has to decide who is the right agency, who
1:57:29
Speaker 9: is the right actor, what is the right branch of
1:57:32
Speaker 9: the government to make the policy call? Or is it Sometimes,
1:57:35
Speaker 9: as with abortion, the voters, the people in the states.
1:57:39
Speaker 9: The problem with Roe all along was exactly what you say.
1:57:43
Speaker 9: It looked like a piece of legislation. It looked like
1:57:47
Speaker 9: something that could be mandated by the state legislature in
1:57:52
Speaker 9: Montana or Ohio or Arizona. It did not look like
1:57:57
Speaker 9: a piece of judicial decision making. And the re and
1:58:00
Speaker 9: was that it was not that the Court got out
1:58:03
Speaker 9: of its lane. It grabbed power that did not belong
1:58:07
Speaker 9: to it. And after decades, finally the Court last year
1:58:12
Speaker 9: reversed itself and it sent the question back to those
1:58:15
Speaker 9: who constitutionally do have the authority to make abortion policy decisions,
1:58:21
Speaker 9: and that is state governments and the people of those states.
1:58:25
Speaker 9: And that was I think a major accomplishment. This court,
1:58:29
Speaker 9: especially since the three new appointments by Donald Trump, has
1:58:33
Speaker 9: been trying to get out of the wrong lanes and
1:58:37
Speaker 9: enter the lane that belongs to judicial decision making. And yes,
1:58:41
Speaker 9: as you say, its method is originalist. It looks for
1:58:45
Speaker 9: the meaning of constitutional language as it was understood at
1:58:49
Speaker 9: the time the people, the voters adopted that language, and
1:58:53
Speaker 9: it says, unless the constitutional language has been changed or modified,
1:58:59
Speaker 9: and there are ways you can do that, we will
1:59:01
Speaker 9: give it the interpretation that it had at the time
1:59:04
Speaker 9: it was ratified. Unless you change the law, it remains
1:59:08
Speaker 9: the law. And that's how the Court use the Constitution.
1:59:12
Speaker 9: And I think my co author thinks that that is
1:59:14
Speaker 9: the correct approach.
1:59:16
Speaker 1: My guess today, political or rather legal scholar, an author
1:59:19
Speaker 1: of politically correct guide to a plically and correct guide
1:59:22
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. I want to dive into one
1:59:26
Speaker 1: that don't. It's Robert de la Houney. I want to
1:59:28
Speaker 1: dive into one really quick. Robert here, it's the most
1:59:30
Speaker 1: frustrating case. It remains on the books, at least from
1:59:32
Speaker 1: my perspective, Wickered versus Philburn that had did more to
1:59:36
Speaker 1: expand the reach overreach of government, I think than any
1:59:39
Speaker 1: decision handed down by the Supreme Court when they found
1:59:42
Speaker 1: that one man on his farm within the confines of
1:59:45
Speaker 1: the borders of his state and his property could not
1:59:48
Speaker 1: grow crops because that had a ripple effect that impacted
1:59:51
Speaker 1: interstate commerce, because the volume of wheed or tomatoes, or
1:59:55
Speaker 1: whatever it was he was growing, it was impacted by
1:59:58
Speaker 1: his growth. That to me is an believable overreach, and
2:00:00
Speaker 1: it allowed so much intrusion into our freedoms and liberties
2:00:03
Speaker 1: that transcend the limitations of the Constitution. Given the makeup
2:00:06
Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court, now, first off, do you believe
2:00:08
Speaker 1: that the case was incorrectly decided along these originalists versus
2:00:11
Speaker 1: activist grounds? But more fundamentally, regardless where you're on that,
2:00:14
Speaker 1: do you think this current court would ever overturn that,
2:00:17
Speaker 1: and might the repercussions be on that.
2:00:21
Speaker 9: I do agree with you. I think the Philburn case
2:00:24
Speaker 9: was wrongly decided. It was a decision under the interstate
2:00:28
Speaker 9: Commerce clause, Congress has the power to regulate commerce between
2:00:32
Speaker 9: the states. In effect, that gives it the ability to
2:00:36
Speaker 9: create a kind of free trade zone within the United States.
2:00:38
Speaker 9: It also has the power to regulate commerce with foreign
2:00:41
Speaker 9: nations and with the Indian peoples. And Wickert was a
2:00:45
Speaker 9: case in which a wheat farmer was basically mining his
2:00:49
Speaker 9: own business, growing his own crops. Much of it he
2:00:52
Speaker 9: consumed himself, some he fed to his animals on the farm,
2:00:56
Speaker 9: some he so locally. It is impossible to see how
2:00:59
Speaker 9: that could really be considered interstate commerce. Nevertheless, the government
2:01:05
Speaker 9: tried to limit the amount of wheat he could grow
2:01:07
Speaker 9: on the theory that even a small amount of wheat
2:01:10
Speaker 9: sales would affect the price of wheat in interstate commerce,
2:01:14
Speaker 9: and the government was trying to regulate those prices and
2:01:18
Speaker 9: keep them higher because of the depression. It clearly was
2:01:21
Speaker 9: an overreach of governmental power, and the Supreme Court back
2:01:26
Speaker 9: in the nineteen thirties permitted it. Will the Court get
2:01:30
Speaker 9: to the point where it overturns Wickered. I don't think
2:01:35
Speaker 9: anytime soon, because so much of the administrative state has
2:01:40
Speaker 9: been built on a very exsive reading.
2:01:44
Speaker 1: That's right, if people comply my program, I'm delivered, little
2:01:47
Speaker 1: elementarian minded guy. I trust you with that well, your life,
2:01:50
Speaker 1: and you trust me with mine and my money, and
2:01:52
Speaker 1: we're going to get along just fine, regardless of what
2:01:54
Speaker 1: your philosophy is. But I have you regularly complained about
2:01:58
Speaker 1: the overreach of the administrative state, the intrusions into our
2:02:01
Speaker 1: protected rights under the Bill of Rights. We could go
2:02:04
Speaker 1: on for hours, sir, on the Fourth Amendment abuses that
2:02:07
Speaker 1: our government is currently engaging in. But if Wickered were
2:02:10
Speaker 1: magically dis to disappear, every complaint we've got about the
2:02:14
Speaker 1: administrative state would practically be wiped out, because most of
2:02:17
Speaker 1: the administ's administrative state would be wiped out for lack
2:02:20
Speaker 1: of ability to reach into our neighborhoods. Anyway, sorry about that.
2:02:24
Speaker 1: You have one beautiful thing I have to mention this, Robert,
2:02:27
Speaker 1: I was disappointed in the Supreme Court's decision on the
2:02:29
Speaker 1: Obamacare finding that it was constitutional. Was the one gift
2:02:34
Speaker 1: that we were given in that case was the definitive
2:02:37
Speaker 1: statement that no, the commerce clause cannot be used to
2:02:41
Speaker 1: force us to engage in activity.
2:02:44
Speaker 9: That's right. Yes, that was the holding of the court,
2:02:47
Speaker 9: so that the government cannot compel you to enter the
2:02:50
Speaker 9: market for medical insurance. But you know that's truly the
2:02:54
Speaker 9: outermost bounds of the Grain Farmer case. On the other hand,
2:02:59
Speaker 9: look the court three cases next term, and it has
2:03:02
Speaker 9: decided one this term that have a direct bearing on
2:03:05
Speaker 9: the administrative state, and I think it's chipping away at
2:03:09
Speaker 9: this vast edifice. And next term when it decides these
2:03:13
Speaker 9: three cases, we may see a significant change in the
2:03:16
Speaker 9: way recoverned because the administrate, if the Court continues on
2:03:21
Speaker 9: its path, is going to have to be slimmed down.
2:03:24
Speaker 9: Grook is not going to be overturned in a single year,
2:03:28
Speaker 9: but it will be slenderized.
2:03:30
Speaker 1: Well, we saw that with West virgin Universus EPA. They
2:03:33
Speaker 1: exceed the boundaries under the Water Act, like it can't
2:03:36
Speaker 1: claim a tablespoon of water on your property is now
2:03:38
Speaker 1: part of navigabal waterways. So that was a great, great
2:03:41
Speaker 1: limitation and that case will be relied upon down the
2:03:44
Speaker 1: road to further whittle away these gross abuses of our
2:03:48
Speaker 1: administrators writing laws behind the scenes and without elected accountability.
2:03:53
Speaker 1: The name of the book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to
2:03:55
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. I have really enjoyed our conversation Robert
2:03:58
Speaker 1: Della honeymore Kelat and I maybe look forward to having
2:04:02
Speaker 1: you on again the program on other matters related to
2:04:04
Speaker 1: the Constitution. Fantastic conversation, fun book. My listeners can get
2:04:08
Speaker 1: it on my blog page at fifty five krs dot com.
2:04:10
Speaker 1: And I really encourage you to do it because books
2:04:13
Speaker 1: like this will boil down what otherwise seem to be
2:04:15
Speaker 1: complex legal topics into really easily understandable principles, and that's
2:04:20
Speaker 1: what it's all about. Robert, you did a great job,
2:04:22
Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you very much. I'd like to welcome
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Speaker 1: Today, we're going to be talking about a new book,
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Speaker 1: Crimes against America, the lefts takedown of our Republic, described
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Speaker 1: as an unmatched indictment against Joe Biden's administration and far
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Speaker 1: left id logus who've sought to change our way of
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Speaker 1: life by fundamentally transforming America as we know it. Judge
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Speaker 1: Janeen Perrou, Welcome to the fifty five Careceon Morning Show.
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Speaker 1: A distinct pleasure to have you on today.
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Speaker 16: Well, thank you very much, and thank you for that introduction.
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Speaker 16: You know, it's kind of like a rundown in past history.
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Speaker 4: Well I am.
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Speaker 16: But the book, though, is really contemporary history. I mean
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Speaker 16: every day when you listen to you or open a
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Speaker 16: turn on a TV, read the newspaper. I mean, everything
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Speaker 16: is in this book. Everything that's been going on, from
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Speaker 16: the Durham Report to the takedown of law and order
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Speaker 16: to the craziness at the Southern border is in the book.
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Speaker 16: It is wild. You know, we're no longer a sovereign nation.
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Speaker 16: We're nothing more than a globalist landing spot with benefits
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Speaker 16: for anyone who wants to decide to come here and
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Speaker 16: partake of our conacopeia benefits, whether it's education, medication, housing,
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Speaker 16: it's America is just not the sovereign nation she once was.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that the case? And I, you know, agree wholeheartedly
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Speaker 1: with everything you said. You obviously didn't call me looking
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Speaker 1: for an argument. I'm witnessing it myself.
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Speaker 7: Question.
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Speaker 1: Here's a parallel I want to draw because I watched
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Speaker 1: this Ukraine war go on, and if Russia ends up
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Speaker 1: winning or Ukraine ends up retaining the territory, they are
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Speaker 1: going to get nothing but a bombed out wasteland. And
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Speaker 1: I think about this in terms of what the left
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Speaker 1: is pushing for. What in the hell is their endgame?
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Speaker 1: Because the way everything they're pushing for, whether it be
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Speaker 1: trillions of dollars in reparations or unlimited benefits from the
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Speaker 1: umbilical court of government, I'm sorry, the dollars don't add up.
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Speaker 6: It's not there.
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Speaker 1: And if they get what they want, they're going to
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Speaker 1: inherit a total wasteland in the United States of America
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Speaker 1: as the world relies on it with a perpetual handout,
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Speaker 1: is not going to be around in the way it
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Speaker 1: is now. So what's the endgame?
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Speaker 16: Well, you know, I wish I knew what the endgame was,
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Speaker 16: but I can only imagine that it's about ports, uh,
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Speaker 16: and it's about h waterways, it's about transportation. Look, Russia
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Speaker 16: needs Ukraine. Ukraine is you know, the bread basket of
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Speaker 16: the world, so they have wheat and they have the
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Speaker 16: ability to get Russia transfer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Judgine, I was using Ukraine as a metaphor
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Speaker 1: because if you take it over, fine, I guess you
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Speaker 1: get the what's left in terms of natural resources, but
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Speaker 1: other everything.
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Speaker 6: Else is just dilapidated.
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Speaker 1: Now, the left here in the United States would inherit
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Speaker 1: this massive unsustainable welfare state that they keep perpetuating. But
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Speaker 1: we're working through this budget negotiation, debt ceiling. We obviously
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Speaker 1: have a spending problem. It can't go on forever.
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Speaker 16: So I sure again, don't you remember AOC said, well,
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Speaker 16: we'll just we'll just print more money. And you know,
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Speaker 16: the amazing part of is the trillions that we gave
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Speaker 16: during COVID billions, the schools we don't even have account
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Speaker 16: and accounting of where they spend it. But what we
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Speaker 16: do know is that the schools, through Randy Weingarten, she
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Speaker 16: will end up giving millions and millions to the Democrat
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Speaker 16: Party because that's how it works. And as it relates
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Speaker 16: to the other stuff, you remember, well, let's talk about
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Speaker 16: Black Lives Matter, not the movement, but the organization. Okay,
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Speaker 16: all the big corporations contributed to them because of all
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Speaker 16: this value signaling. And the truth is they ended up
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Speaker 16: buying a few mansions in California, didn't want to file taxes.
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Speaker 16: Very few of the dollars, if any, went to young
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Speaker 16: African Americans who needed it in the inner cities. You know,
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Speaker 16: we've got to try to figure out a way to
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Speaker 16: stop spending money and a way to improve people's lives.
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Speaker 16: And whether it's through some kind of schooling, and whether
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Speaker 16: it's a charter school, and you know, whether it's any
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Speaker 16: kind of school other than the public schools where our
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Speaker 16: kids are there. And I say this in the first
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Speaker 16: few minutes of the book. You know, our kids are
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Speaker 16: graduating from school and thirty eight percent of them are
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Speaker 16: not proficient in reading or in maths. And it gets
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Speaker 16: worse with the pandemic. So we keep throwing money at problems.
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Speaker 16: Nothing comes of it. But I'll tell you something. You
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Speaker 16: want to use Ukraine as a metaphor. You want to
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Speaker 16: tell me why Randy Weingarten went to Ukraine three times?
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Speaker 16: What is she doing there? And the first time she
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Speaker 16: went there the head of the AFT. First time she
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Speaker 16: goes there, she says, Oh, I'm comparing the education systems
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Speaker 16: of the United States and Ukraine?
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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 16: Every school has been bombed and destroyed in Ukraine. What
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Speaker 16: else are you doing there? Randy tell me? And so
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Speaker 16: when the left throws money and they can't stop throwing
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Speaker 16: money at this green energy, we don't even have an
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Speaker 16: infrastructure to support it, and we destroy jobs. I mean,
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Speaker 16: everything that Joe Biden is doing, and I say this
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Speaker 16: in crimes against America. Everything that he's doing is hurting America.
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Speaker 16: It's making America last. And it's sad because this is
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Speaker 16: not the country that.
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Speaker 4: We grew up in.
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Speaker 16: And everything goes down. The statues, the schools, you know, reading, writing, arithmetic,
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Speaker 16: and now we're talking about teaching kids how to perform
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Speaker 16: sex on each other in the second grade. When I
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Speaker 16: was a da I'd prosecute that as child pornography. And
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Speaker 16: they want to fight if they want to fight for
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Speaker 16: that stuff. And you know, you listen to people, Oh,
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Speaker 16: we we think third term abortions are good. And you know,
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Speaker 16: if it's a it's for the help of the mother.
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Speaker 16: You know, she can decide after the baby's born. According
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Speaker 16: to Governor north Im in Virginia, UH, she can decide
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Speaker 16: with an up or down like the Emperor and the coliseum.
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Speaker 16: Then let the baby live. Then you're right, let the
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Speaker 16: baby die. I mean, these are not the values of
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Speaker 16: this country. And whether it's whether it's the mass invasion
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Speaker 16: of the border, and you know what we're doing in
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Speaker 16: New York City. The mayor of New York City has
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Speaker 16: thrown kids out of schools, putting illegals in the gyms
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Speaker 16: and telling kids that they have they have to have
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Speaker 16: gym in the streets. And we've got we've got veterans
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Speaker 16: on the streets, illegals in the UH in the hotels.
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Speaker 16: Fifty percent of the hotels in New York City have illegals.
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Speaker 16: And you know, I don't blaim the Southern States for
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Speaker 16: sending the illegals to the Northern States, because why should
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Speaker 16: they suffer the indignity and the destruction of their budgets
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Speaker 16: and everything else, whereas the people in the north are like, oh,
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Speaker 16: you have to take it, you have to take it.
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Speaker 16: It's about time they understood what it really means to
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Speaker 16: be a sanctuary city or a sanctuary state. Put your
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Speaker 16: money where you're up as a buster.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, that virtue signaling. Ultimately, the chickens come home to
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Speaker 1: roost and now they're suffering, and they are a micro
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Speaker 1: example of the macro reality that's going on in America
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Speaker 1: with this unflowed immigration situation we have on the border.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe before we part company the name of
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Speaker 1: the book and of course my guest today, Judge Jeanine Pero,
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Speaker 1: crimes against America, the left takedown of our republic. You
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Speaker 1: can get it on my blog page fifty five casey
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Speaker 1: dot com. Do you believe in all the things you
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Speaker 1: say are logical and reasonable? And to me, like school
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Speaker 1: choice and the border, these don't have a political stripe
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Speaker 1: from my standpoint. I mean, it is not a Republican
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Speaker 1: Democrat thing to say I want my children to go
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Speaker 1: to a good school. Do you believe that the public
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Speaker 1: is now waking up to this whole. Are this lock
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Speaker 1: stock and barrel leftist movement to undermine literally everything we've
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Speaker 1: previously stood for that's been so successful for us.
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Speaker 16: Well, you know, I must tell you, I think it
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Speaker 16: was Donald Trump who showed us for the first time
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Speaker 16: what fake news was.
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Speaker 9: You know, for the for.
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Speaker 16: Generations, we thought the news was the news, and it
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Speaker 16: was objective, it was clear. But now we look behind
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Speaker 16: the headline. Now we read the articles. Now we understand that,
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Speaker 16: you know, it's more than what they say it is.
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Speaker 16: It's called gas lighting. They gaslight us all the time.
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Speaker 16: It's like Joe Biden, he came into the White House
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Speaker 16: and the Trojan horse.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm a moderate.
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Speaker 16: Meanwhile all the little people run into the White House
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Speaker 16: and are running this country. Is though, it's a Marxist state.
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Speaker 16: And you're right, it's not Republican or democrat. We talk
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Speaker 16: about schools or education, but it's part of a Marxist ideology.
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Speaker 16: And that's the socialism that's going on here where the
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Speaker 16: progressive das who know nothing about prosecuting and who prefer
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Speaker 16: to elect criminals out well, the victims just you know,
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Speaker 16: they can just flounder. Hey, you had a rough day
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Speaker 16: at it too bad. We got to take care of
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Speaker 16: this criminal it is. It is about, you know, the
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Speaker 16: state taking over our children and owning our children. And
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Speaker 16: I talk about it in Crimes against America, which, by
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Speaker 16: the way, in addition, you can get a judge jabook
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Speaker 16: dot com. You can get it real fast that.
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Speaker 6: Way, Judge a book.
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Speaker 1: I'll have my I'll have my producer ad that, I'll
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Speaker 1: have her add I have him add that to the
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Speaker 1: link as well. Judge nine pero, you know, the only
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Speaker 1: problem is you just aren't passionate enough about this subject matter.
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Speaker 1: It has been a real pleasure having you on. Everybody's
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Speaker 1: going to get a copy of Crimes against America, the
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Speaker 1: left's take down of our republic. Get it, read it
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Speaker 1: and share it with a friend. We'll be watching you
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Speaker 1: on the five. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 16: I'll be there. Thank you.