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Episode 264 - Crypto for Ukraine: A Case Study in Humanitarian Aid and Crisis Response · Crypto Altruists: Real-World Stories of Social & Environmental Impact with Web3

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  SPEAKER_00: Today you'll discover how, in the first days of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the crypto community mobilized over 100 million faster than some governments could act.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why speed, borderlessness, and transparency made crypto uniquely suited to a moment when traditional systems were breaking down.
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  SPEAKER_00: How the story matured from viral donations in a serious infrastructure, including the UN's own blockchain-based aid delivery.
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  SPEAKER_00: And an honest look at the limitations and the risks because the real case study looks at what didn't work as well.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to CryptoUltras, where we explore the intersections of Web3 and social good to the stories of impact-driven builders and offer actionable insights to empower your journey into the world of blockchain for good.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Drew Simon.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now before we dive in, please remember that this is not financial or legal advice, and always do your own research on any of the projects or investment opportunities that we discuss.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the CryptoUltras podcast, and thank you so much for joining me today.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is a solo episode, and it's one that means a lot to me, because next week, on Monday, August 24th, is Ukrainian Independence Day.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to step back and tell a story that I think is one of the most important in the entire history of crypto for good.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's the story of what happened when Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, and the crypto community responded in a way that honestly still gives me chills.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: If you've been listening for a while, you know we've covered pieces on this before.
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  SPEAKER_00: We told Ivan's story in our documentary, we've talked about UNHCR and stablecoins, but today I want to zoom out and look at the whole arc, the broader picture, from the very first frantic days of the war, all the way to the sophisticated humanitarian infrastructure being built today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because when people ask me for the single clearest example of crypto making a real difference in the world, this is the one that I keep coming back to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ukraine is an incredible case study in the power of blockchain for humanitarian and crisis situations, so let's walk through it together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And to start, I want to take you back to February 24th, 2022.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the day that Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
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  SPEAKER_00: And almost immediately the country's financial system came under enormous strain.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a run on the banks, a halt in the domestic currency market, and a steep devaluation of the Ukrainian Ravenia.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: For ordinary people trying to access their money, and for a government trying to fund an emergency response, the traditional financial rails were buckling under incredible pressure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then something happened that never happened before.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just two days later, on February 26th, the Ukrainian government does something no nation has ever done.
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  SPEAKER_00: They go on Twitter and they post pleas for cryptocurrency donations, sharing their Bitcoin and Ethereum wallet addresses directly for the whole world to see.
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  SPEAKER_00: So think for a second about how remarkable that is.
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  SPEAKER_00: A sovereign nation in the middle of an invasion saying to the entire internet, here's our wallet address, send help.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the world responded fast.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the first four days of the war, they raised more than$10 million, and it kept climbing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Within days, 100 million had been raised across the wallets for the government and top NGOs like Come Back Alive and World Central Kitchen.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now I want to give you the one detail from this whole period that really captures the power of what was happening.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: There was a moment when the European Union announced it would give 100 million euros in humanitarian aid, but by that same day, 109 million had already hit crypto wallets and was being spent on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let that sink in for a moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: A grassroots decentralized community moved money faster than one of the largest political and economic blocks on Earth.
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  SPEAKER_00: As one expert at the World Economic Forum put it, an important benefit of these emerging technologies is the ability to mobilize, organize, and deliver very quickly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they saw millions of dollars of aid delivered in a single day.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was in many ways the first time the world watched a nation fund both its defense and its humanitarian response through crypto in real time, and it was just the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's pause and ask the important question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why did crypto work so well in this particular moment?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because understanding that is the key to understanding where else it might help.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think it comes down to a few things.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first is speed.
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  SPEAKER_00: In a crisis, speed is everything, and while traditional bank wire can take up to 24 hours to validate between two countries, a cryptocurrency transfer typically takes far less time.
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  SPEAKER_00: When people are fleeing their homes and a government is scrambling to respond, the difference between 24 hours and a few minutes can be enormous.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second is that it's borderless and it invites everyone in.
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  SPEAKER_00: This wasn't just governments and giant institutions writing checks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyone anywhere in the world with an internet connection and a few dollars of crypto could help directly.
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  SPEAKER_00: The global crypto community reacted with this incredible outpouring of support.
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  SPEAKER_00: It democratized the act of giving at the moment that it mattered most.
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  SPEAKER_00: The third is, of course, transparency.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because these are public blockchains, you can actually see the walled activity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in a world where people are rightly skeptical about where their donations really go, especially in wartime, that kind of traceability was something really new and exciting.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you add it all up, the scale is staggering.
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  SPEAKER_00: By July of 2023, 17 months after the full-scale invasion, the Ukrainian government and NGOs secured around 225 million in cryptocurrencies, with the majority earmarked for humanitarian purposes and the rest for military support.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it changes the country's relationship with the technology itself.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Just one month after the invasion, in March 2022, Ukraine legalized crypto accounts, formalizing what the community had already made real.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now here's the part that I find really inspiring, especially for those of us who love the builder side of the space.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because the crisis didn't just attract donations, it sparked very real innovation.
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  SPEAKER_00: People invented new ways to organize and give on the fly in the middle of a war.
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  SPEAKER_00: As they say, necessity breeds innovation, and this is a great example of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let me share a few examples to make this concrete.
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  SPEAKER_00: First, there's Ukraine DAO.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was one of the first crypto initiatives for Ukraine and raised over$8 million very quickly.
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  SPEAKER_00: In one of its efforts alone, it collected$6.75 million, largely in Ethereum, for a single NFT depicting the Ukrainian flag.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take a moment to think about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's really cool how a decentralized autonomous organization was able to spin up in real time to rally around a global cause and raise significant funds.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then there was the official campaign Aid for Ukraine launched with the Ministry of Digital Transformation on February 26th.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was a collaboration between the government and crypto companies, complete with a public tracker so anyone could follow the funds.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people use crypto's own tools to build trust.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take the Unchained Fund.
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  SPEAKER_00: They set up wallets that required multiple signature-based approvals, what we call multi-six to those who are new to crypto, to provide greater security and transparency in how the collected funds were spent.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a really thoughtful way to signal to donors that you can trust us and that there's a technology that proves it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We also saw how platforms stepped up to make giving easy for everyone, not just crypto natives.
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  SPEAKER_00: The giving block let people donate a wide range of tokens to vetted humanitarian charities like Direct Relief and Save the Children.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Endowment lowered its minimum donations and integrated PayPal so more people could give however they wanted.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this had real tangible results.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Laleco Foundation, which distributes medical supplies, received$200,000 in just five days from people all over the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both Endowment and the Giving Block also launched funds that pooled together donations for a variety of Ukrainian NGOs, allowing individuals to make one donation that was split between these organizations.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't only about moving money quickly in those first frantic days.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the most powerful examples were about building local lasting resilience on the ground.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: Great example of this is John Ukraine, the Ukrainian branch of the Global Eco-Village Network, who we were lucky enough to feature on the show in episode 253, I believe, but don't worry, I'll link that in the show notes.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: Since the full-scale invasion, their network of eco-villages has sheltered thousands of displaced people, while also restoring land damaged by the war and building sustainable, self-reliant communities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what's really cool about this is that they've woven Web3 tools right into the work, using blockchain to track their impact transparently, connect their local efforts to a global community of supporters, and channel resources to where they're needed most.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: As their founder Maxim put it to me in our discussion, blockchain became their new public story, a way of writing their future in the open and staying resilient through it all.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's a beautiful reminder that this technology isn't just about emergency cash transfers, but that it can also help communities rebuild, regenerate, and endure.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: This is the crypto community at its best.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not speculating, but building.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Building something real, solving real problems for real people and very quickly too.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: So here's where the story gets even more interesting to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of people assume the crypto for Ukraine story is just about the first viral surge in 2022, the big numbers, the flag NFT, the headlines.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was an incredible time, but that's not where the story ended.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'd say that since then it's really matured.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because what happened next is that this grassroots energy evolved into serious institutional grade humanitarian infrastructure.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the centerpiece of that is a partnership I've talked about before on the show, but I think it deserves the full spotlight.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was that in December of 2022, the UNHCR, the UN's refugee agency, launched a first of its kind blockchain payment solution, powered by the Stellar Network, to deliver cash assistance to people displaced and impacted by the war.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: Let me walk you through how it actually works because it's pretty damn cool, and it's a case study that I often refer to.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: So to start, the UNHCR confirms the recipient's eligibility and then distributes aid in the form of USDC.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: For those who aren't familiar, that's a stable coin pegged one-to-one to the US dollar.
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  SPEAKER_00: So unlike volatile crypto, its value stays steady.
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  SPEAKER_00: That USDC then goes directly into a digital wallet the recipient downloads onto their smartphone.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this gives them a secure place to hold and transport funds so they can travel within the country or even across borders without the danger of carrying physical cash.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: And when they actually did need physical cash in hand, they could cash out in dollars, euros, or a local currency at any money gram location.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there are over 4,500 of those in Ukraine alone.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was really about meeting people where they were at and leveraging the infrastructure that already existed locally.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: And here's one of the coolest parts that I think speaks to the opportunities crypto creates for those who may be unbanked or lack access to financial services.
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  SPEAKER_00: Recipients didn't need a bank account.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: They could receive funds within minutes right to their smartphone, and the money helped cover the essentials rent, food, medical care, heating through a brutal winter.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: That said, it's no surprise that in 2023, Paris Blockchain Week awarded UNHCR its best impact project award for this pilot.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: And here's why I think this is a true case study, rather than just a feel-good story.
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  SPEAKER_00: The pilot was designed for Ukraine, but from the very beginning it was built to be adapted worldwide.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ukraine became the proving around, the place where this model was tested, refined, and shown to work so that it could then be scaled to help displace people anywhere on Earth.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that there is the arc, from a government tweeting out wallet addresses in a panic to the United Nations delivering stablecoin aid on blockchain, with a model now spreading around the globe.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you listen to our recent episode on the UN embracing blockchain, this is that same story seen through the lens of one country where it all crystallized.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I would be doing a disservice if I stood here and told you this was all perfect, because it wasn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a real case study has to look honestly at what didn't work and at the risks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because if the crypto space is known for anything, it's hype, so it's important not to fall into that trap and speak honestly about the limitations here, because there are limitations.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: And the first of those is, of course, volatility.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the early days, a lot of donations came in the form of Bitcoin and Ethereum, which has the tendency to swing in value, especially at that time.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Donations could turn out to be worth less than expected, and beneficiaries could find that their assets had lost value by the time they converted them back to cash.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is a real problem, and a problem that stablecoins like USDC were brought in to solve.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: The technology learned and adapted, and we've seen a shift towards stable coins becoming more of the default rails for aid over traditional cryptocurrencies.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Second, there is of course scams, because as we know, there are scams in crypto as there are anywhere else.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Wherever there's generosity and urgency, bad actors show up, and scammers unfortunately exploited the situation, setting up fraudulent cryptocurrency fundraising campaigns to trick well-meaning people into donating their money, including fake versions of a planned government token.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's an ugly reality that donors had to stay vigilant and aware of.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Third, of course, crypto is not a magic wand.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: It fixed all the panacea for all the challenges Ukraine faced and faces.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: As Western aid faltered over time, crypto donations to Ukraine also dropped significantly, as is often the case in fundraising campaigns.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, as time went on, headlines changed, and so did donor behavior.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Crypto played an important role, but it represented no magic wand, and we should keep proportion here.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: The aid that flowed from the US, Canada, the EU, and other partners in traditional currency dwarfed the crypto donations.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Crypto's real power wasn't that it replaced traditional aid, it was that it let individuals get involved in a way they never could before, and that it allowed initial aid to get to places it needed to go very quickly, which was huge in the early days of the war.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Fourth, there's the reality that technology is neutral and that both sides of the war use blockchain technology, and pro-Russian campaigns raised funds too, some of it from illicit sources.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is very real, unfortunately, though it's worth noting the counterpoint from analysts that crypto markets likely aren't liquid enough to support mass-scale systematic sanctions evasion.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: And finally, sometimes blockchain just isn't the right tool.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: One example worth sharing here is a program called Direct Cash Aid, run by a consortium of 121 humanitarian groups.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Piloting Kenya, the project actually had to abandon blockchain after they found it didn't help their goals.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted to use blockchain-based digital identity, but most of their recipients didn't have smartphones or reliable internet access.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: The pilot showed firsthand how problems with digital literacy, communication, connectivity, interoperability, and the practical use of self-sovereign identity in humanitarian settings can be huge barriers for Frontier Tech for Good initiatives.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's one of the most valuable lessons in this entire story.
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  SPEAKER_00: The technology has to fit the context.
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  SPEAKER_00: When it does, like it did in Ukraine with the stablecoin pilot, it can be transformative.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: When it doesn't, forcing it helps no one.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Knowing the difference is the whole game, and this is something we've discussed consistently on our podcast, so sorry if I'm sounding like a broken record here.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: No humanitarian project should ever use blockchain for the sake of using blockchain.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's important to focus on the outcome, the realities on the ground, and then see if it makes sense to bring new technology into the equation.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: The technology should never be the starting point.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Brings me back to a conversation I recently had with his team from All In for Sports and their work with an incredible NGO out of Somaliland called Saraya.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: After working to develop solutions to record community impact, they eventually settled on WhatsApp and found ways to integrate attestations into a tool that folks in the ground were already using every day, as opposed to building something entirely new.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's called Preba, and sorry if I mispronounce that, that's P-R-U-E-B-A, and it's definitely worth checking out, so I'll link it in the show notes.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: So let's bring this all together as we near the end of this episode.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: What exactly does this case study teach us about blockchain in humanitarian contexts?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there are four big lessons that I take away here.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: The first is that crypto shines brightest where traditional systems break down.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Ukraine is the clearest proof we have.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: When the banks froze and every minute counted, decentralized Rails delivered help that the old systems simply couldn't move fast enough to provide.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen many other examples of this as well.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: We saw it with Hesepay in Afghanistan, where it helped facilitate donations and payments following the Taliban's retaking of power and the subsequent collapse of the banking system.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Another great example is NUGPA in Myanmar, where the national unity government set up a whole shadow banking system to ensure donations and payments could flow, despite the military juntas intent on controlling the financial system.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: This ended up being huge in light of the earthquake that struck Myanmar in March of 2025, enabling 2 million in aid to flow into affected areas.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: These are just two examples of many of the incredible potential of this technology to thrive in the most challenging of contexts.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: The second lesson is that behind the technology there is a community that shows up.
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  SPEAKER_00: This came in the form of DAOs, the NFT campaigns, new platforms, and countless individuals sending what they could from every corner of the world.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: No technology can succeed without a dedicated community behind it.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I often hear from builders in Web3 that building the tech is the easy part, and building the community around it is where the real challenges come.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: The third lesson is that the best solutions don't just flare up and fade.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: They mature.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: This story didn't stop at viral donations.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: It grew into stablecoin infrastructure, UN adoption, and a model now being scaled worldwide.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's the difference between a moment and a movement.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: And the fourth and final lesson is that honesty makes the case stronger, not weaker.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: When we're clear-eyed about the volatility, the scams, and the limits, the wins become that much more credible.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: So we really don't need to oversell this.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: The truth is compelling enough, and we need to embrace that.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: So, let's fast forward to today.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to share this story now a few days before Ukrainian Independence Day, because at its heart, this is a story about resilience.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: The resilience of the Ukrainian people who continue to persevere through something almost unimaginable.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: And in a much smaller but still very real way, the resilience of a community and a technology that showed up when it mattered.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because while the headlines have faded, the world's attention has drifted the way it always does.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because here's the reality: the headlines have faded.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: The world's attention has drifted the way it always does.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: And if you listen to our documentary with Yvonne and Alliance for Public Health, you heard me say it there too.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: The headlines may have faded, but the need hasn't, and neither, I hope, have we.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: The beautiful thing about the infrastructure built during this war is that it endures.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: The models pioneered in Kyiv and Lviv are now ready to help displace people anywhere in the world, and that's a legacy that's absolutely worth honoring.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: So whether it's by supporting the organization still doing this work or simply by carrying forward a clearer understanding of what this technology can really do for good, I hope this story stays with you the way it stayed with me.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: And if you do want to support some great organizations doing work on the ground, I'd highly recommend Alliance for Public Health, who we've been working alongside with to help them integrate crypto solutions.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: They have a campaign on endowment, which I'll link here, and it also enables matching funds as well, which is great.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: So again, I'll share that in the show notes.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: And a couple months back, you may have heard a story about how Russia bombed a warehouse carrying essential HIV and public health supplies.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: That massively impacted Alliance for Public Health, and they've been scrambling to get donations and important supplies to replace them.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: So again, I'll share the links in the show notes if you want to support this incredible organization.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want the human story behind all these numbers, I recommend going back and listening to our documentary on Yvonne or our interview with Maxim of Gen Ukraine.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're both incredibly powerful stories.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: So a huge thank you to those who showed up, who donated, built, supported, or amplified.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: It may have seemed like a one-off action at the time, but it has led to something very powerful, and the story is still being written today.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that wraps up today's episode of Crypto Altrists.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for tuning in.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you enjoyed the conversation as much as I did.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you're inspired to explore more stories at the intersection of Web3 and Social Impact, be sure to visit us at CryptoAltruist.com for articles, resources, and more.
• 18:34
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• 18:38
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• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks again for joining us, and I look forward to having you back for the next episode.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Until then, let's keep showing the world the good of crypto.