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Signal 99 on with Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Seven oh six at fifty five kr CD Talk station.
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas right here, wishing everyone a very happy Friday
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Speaker 1: and looking forward to the next hour. I'm looking forward
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Speaker 1: to this hour as well. We're gonna get that in
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Speaker 1: the moment. Claire Corcoran from Claremont County. She's running for
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Speaker 1: Claremont County Commissioner already is one and it's been active
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Speaker 1: in politics for decades. She's got to join the program
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Speaker 1: talk about that, but more importantly, what Claremont County is
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Speaker 1: going to be doing for the twentdred and fiftieth Celebration
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Speaker 1: of America. Robert Borton's going to generate a lot of
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Speaker 1: interest this morning. He's got a book about Marxism taking
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Speaker 1: over our schools and how we can do something about it,
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Speaker 1: Woke and weaponized. That'll be the eight thirty the meantime.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back and how come I'm not looking across the
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Speaker 1: board here at you Signal ninety nine. Follow her on
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Speaker 1: Facebook if you want to know all the details behind
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Speaker 1: the scenes about what going on in the police department,
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Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati, the fire Department, every other thing that's going
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Speaker 1: on with city government. Welcome back, Signal ninety nine, Good morning.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know you wanted me to come in or
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Speaker 2: I would it came in?
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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I love guests in studio.
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Speaker 3: In the studio, oh, I hope it's.
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Speaker 1: Not a bad place to be here anyway. I enjoyed
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Speaker 1: the face to face communication, regardless of whether I agree
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Speaker 1: with the person across from me. And boy, how could
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Speaker 1: I not agree with what you flag? I don't know
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Speaker 1: where you want to start? I can, I guess, I
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Speaker 1: asked him this morning. I texted him I han't heard
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Speaker 1: back from Christopher smith Aman about how the signature drive
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Speaker 1: is going, because what we need is Christopher Smitheman's proposal
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Speaker 1: to amend the charter in downtown Cincinnati to require seven
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Speaker 1: of nine council members to approve the hiring or firing
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Speaker 1: of a police chief or fire chief. That would solve
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Speaker 1: the problems going on in connection with police Chief Thiji
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Speaker 1: and former fire Chief Washington. Might it not? I know
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Speaker 1: you're on the side of Christopher's proposal, aren't you?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 2: I am, But I also I still want to say
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Speaker 2: that it's a start. There's a whole revamp of the
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Speaker 2: entire charter that needs to be done. Of course, there
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Speaker 2: wasn't time to get that done before this election. But
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Speaker 2: it is a start. But that you know, that all
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Speaker 2: comes down to Brian, how many people are all of
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Speaker 2: one mindset on city council and how many or not.
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Speaker 2: We don't have a balance on council anymore, we really don't.
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Speaker 2: So like with this particular council, it wouldn't matter. They'd
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Speaker 2: get their seven of nine true vote, however they want.
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Speaker 1: It, well, it would require them to go on record
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Speaker 1: and do it and therefore be accountable for any decision
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Speaker 1: that was made. I mean, this provides the voters with
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Speaker 1: with Okay, I was right in voting for fill in
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Speaker 1: the blank. Oh look what that person did. I shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have voted for him. I'm not going to do it
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Speaker 1: again next time around. At least it has connection with
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Speaker 1: public accountability. Your representatis are supposed to represent your interest
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Speaker 1: in If you don't think they are, you vote them
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Speaker 1: out of office. So I at least like that development,
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Speaker 1: even if they are lockstep together.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that is why I'm backing it, and that's
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Speaker 2: why I'm pushing it and endorsing it. And it's a start. Now. Eventually,
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Speaker 2: you know, we need to get some of the big
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Speaker 2: shiny brains together, and I have several of them in mine,
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Speaker 2: you know, to sit down and completely revamp the charter.
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Speaker 2: But that's not something that can be done in time
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Speaker 2: before this election. So this is absolutely a phenomenal start.
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Speaker 2: So it's better than what we have, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. And I saw, based on a
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Speaker 1: post from Signal ninety nine on Facebook, former fire chief
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Speaker 1: Mike Washington, who was terminated under sketchy circumstances and who's
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Speaker 1: got a lawsuit pending against the City of Cincinnati. He too,
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Speaker 1: has endorsed Christopher Smith's petition for the city Charter amendment,
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Speaker 1: so he's on board. He was a victim of these shenanigans.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, and we all know that I
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Speaker 2: love me some Chief Mike Washington.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good man. So his where is his
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Speaker 1: case in process? If you know, I'm going to put
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Speaker 1: you on the spot. But we've all been expecting that
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Speaker 1: the city Cincinnat's going to have to write him a
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Speaker 1: settlement check for wrongful termination. Do you know where we
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Speaker 1: are in process with Chief? We're in Chief Washington.
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Speaker 2: Yep. It'll drop this month, So it should be I
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Speaker 2: mean today May first, So it should definitely happen sometime
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Speaker 2: this month. Could be today, it could be next week,
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Speaker 2: it could be two weeks, but it's coming. And I again,
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that the federal court is going to
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Speaker 2: overturn the lower court's decision. And I think that the
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Speaker 2: city's in panic mode. And so I dropped a little
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Speaker 2: hot potato about ten minutes ago some developments yesterday with
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Speaker 2: the city of them given an ab plan and to
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Speaker 2: one of those city attorneys and hr representatives of the
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Speaker 2: city that actually was in the room when Mike Washington
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Speaker 2: got terminated, and she led the charge against Sherman Smith
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Speaker 2: getting terminated, and they just got handed a whole massive
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Speaker 2: mess over that. So Kelsey Bradio got the ad plan yesterday,
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Speaker 2: which is, for those of you that don't know me,
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Speaker 2: it's either resigned, effective immediately, or we're going to fire you.
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Speaker 1: Oh no ultimatum time.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was yesterday. And here's the thing. I
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Speaker 2: have no love for Kelsey Radio because of what she's.
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Speaker 3: Done in her job.
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Speaker 2: However, here's another shining example of somebody that did exactly
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Speaker 2: what they were told to do by the city manager
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Speaker 2: and then they lost their job for it because the
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Speaker 2: whole case just fell apart.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's that kind of sounds reminiscent of what happens
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Speaker 1: a former police chief, DJ, doesn't it?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? And Mike Washington so, and this one who was
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Speaker 2: over as as the chief sermons myth So last year
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Speaker 2: they accused Sherman Smith of sending classified emails to Mike Washington,
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Speaker 2: and CFD at the time had no policy in place
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Speaker 2: prohibiting them from sending an email and the material certainly
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Speaker 2: wasn't classified. They strenuously disagreed and tried to fire Shermon Smiths,
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Speaker 2: and arbitration just came back and said, not only did
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Speaker 2: he not, you know, break any rules, but you the
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Speaker 2: city released these exact same records in a public record
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Speaker 2: or wise, so how are they classified? So yeah, that
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Speaker 2: was such a devastating blow to them that you know,
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Speaker 2: when that happened. When that happened, the hologram chiefs sat
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Speaker 2: there with his mouth open, and then a little while later,
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Speaker 2: with a little week in the knees, had to be
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Speaker 2: transported by squad to the hospital where they looked at
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Speaker 2: him and released him.
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Speaker 1: You referred to the current fire chief, the hologram chief.
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Speaker 1: You refer to the current fire chief.
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Speaker 3: Because you tang hologram. He's got all kinds of names.
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Speaker 2: Those are the only ones that I can say that
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Speaker 2: won't get that won't make you hit the dump button.
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Speaker 1: Okay, be careful on that one.
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Speaker 2: And hey, hey, Brian, we have a safe word now,
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Speaker 2: me and you. I'm thinking pineapple or worship fire. So
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Speaker 2: anytime one of us wants to say a curse word,
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Speaker 2: we need to we need to say pineapple.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, And looking into the future, it would be
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Speaker 1: one of those times I wish I had a dollar
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Speaker 1: for every time I had to say pineapple based upon
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Speaker 1: these new guidelines. Yeah, down the road, I know anyway,
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Speaker 1: But where is police ST's already filed suit against the
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Speaker 1: city Cincinnati. Correct a former.
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Speaker 2: Chief, Well, I actually didn't spend any time on the
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Speaker 2: entity yesterday, okay, Weaves, so I don't know if it's
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Speaker 2: hit pacer yet.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I was only the impression it had, So
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Speaker 1: you've corrected my understanding the situation. But we're a moment
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Speaker 1: in time regardless of this today, tomorrow, or a week
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Speaker 1: from now from the lawsuit landing. Correct.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if it's not in pastry yet, I'm fairly
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Speaker 2: certain it'll be there this next week.
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Speaker 1: So fair enough. And in answer to the question about
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Speaker 1: these signatures, christophas smin And just confirmed they're going to
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Speaker 1: have the petition today. It's in the printer picking them
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Speaker 1: up at eight am, so they'll hit the streets presumably
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Speaker 1: today or tomorrow wherever you happen to run in a petition.
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Speaker 1: If you are a resident of the city of Cincinnati,
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Speaker 1: it's just residents. Is it residents but also registered to vote?
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Speaker 1: Or just a resident, Well.
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Speaker 2: It's residents, but they should also if they're not registered
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Speaker 2: to vote, they should go ahead and register to vote
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Speaker 2: because they're going to have to vote on that petition
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Speaker 2: in November. On that what gets on the ballot. So
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Speaker 2: the petition gets it to the ballot, and then you
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Speaker 2: vote on the ballot.
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Speaker 1: So get out there and sign the petition. I suppose
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Speaker 1: businesses could post that petition. I was thinking maybe, uh,
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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman in his King's Arms coffee shop, they could
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Speaker 1: put a petition in there and people could sign it
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Speaker 1: when they go up and get coffee. Signal ninety nine.
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Speaker 1: We will continue. We've got a lot more to talk
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Speaker 1: about coming up. It's seven to fifteen right now at
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Speaker 1: fifty five KRCD talk station, and it's time krs they
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Speaker 1: talk station. It is seven to twenty. Here ififty five
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Speaker 1: KRSITE talk station, it's Friday. We're talking to Signal ninety nine.
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Speaker 1: And again a reminder Facebook, find Signal ninety nine and
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Speaker 1: follow what she has to say about all these antics
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Speaker 1: going on in downtown. Let us pivot over to we'll
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Speaker 1: eventually get to the collaborative agreement. You wrote very very
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Speaker 1: well and broke down the whole reality of what the
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Speaker 1: collaborative agreement was and what it is now a lot
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Speaker 1: of confusion about management and who the police are supposed
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Speaker 1: to listen to. We'll say that for a moment. I
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Speaker 1: want to pivot over to this interesting analysis you did
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Speaker 1: about the double edged sword, that is the new digitizing
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Speaker 1: of the or the encryption of emergency communications that's being
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Speaker 1: rolled out. You start your article by pointing out the
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Speaker 1: radios are about to go quiet Hamilton County moving toward
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Speaker 1: encrypted emergency communications, which means, I understand it from your
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Speaker 1: writing a Signal ninety nine that people out there in
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Speaker 1: the world that have scanners aren't going to be able
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Speaker 1: to hear the communications like fire calls, police calls, reports
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Speaker 1: for runs and that type of thing. But it's all
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Speaker 1: going to be digitized, so only the officers or the
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Speaker 1: fire department will be able to hear what the dispatch
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Speaker 1: is saying. Do I understand that correctly?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Now the city is considering doing an hour delay, so
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Speaker 2: you get a scanner, oh, access an hour after the call.
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Speaker 1: Oh like the dump button. Like if you said an
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Speaker 1: S word that or I misinterpreted it and I hit it,
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Speaker 1: it deletes the whole minute of conversation that preceded it.
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Speaker 1: This would delay the communications for a full hour and
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Speaker 1: then have it come out so the general public would
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Speaker 1: know absolutely what they actually said, as opposed to some
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Speaker 1: sort of boiled down recitation of the facts a day
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Speaker 1: or a week later.
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Speaker 2: Well, this would be the best case scenario. So hopefully
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Speaker 2: the county and the city decide to do to go
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Speaker 2: that route, and that way the media can stay on
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Speaker 2: top of breaking news. I mean, yes, it'll be an
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Speaker 2: hour behind, but it keeps the media, it keeps people
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Speaker 2: from showing up at crime scene, from showing up at
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Speaker 2: house fires. They've got a couple of apps out there,
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Speaker 2: like the citizen app is one of them, where they
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Speaker 2: have guys that just drive around listening to the scanner,
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Speaker 2: and they chase police calls and fire calls, and then
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Speaker 2: they go on scene and they report and they take videos.
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Speaker 2: And so for instance, last night they reported that some
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Speaker 2: woman got shot in the neck at Chicken Salad Chick
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Speaker 2: here in Westwood, and they had put in there that
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Speaker 2: a tourniquet had been applied, And I'm thinking, how do
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Speaker 2: you apply a tourniquet to somebody who's shot in the neck.
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Speaker 4: That's kind of strange.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, flast forward three hours later they're like, no,
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Speaker 2: it was actually in the leg she got shot, So okay.
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Speaker 2: But see, this is the problem with these apps is
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Speaker 2: you have people facing information and they rely on information
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Speaker 2: that they're hearing, but they're not hearing dissolutions. They're not
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Speaker 2: hearing things that change.
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Speaker 1: The more fundamental part that you point out is that
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Speaker 1: you know officers calling out their positions on the radio,
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Speaker 1: the suspects in a car with a scanner, the suspect
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Speaker 1: himself or herself as a case, maybe maybe scan So
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Speaker 1: this is a safety threat to the officers in the
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Speaker 1: fire department personnel. I get that, which is why you're
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Speaker 1: happy about digital communication. So they can't do that but
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Speaker 1: then again, the double edged sword, that's a good thing.
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Speaker 1: It's bad for the bad guys, but it's bad for
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Speaker 1: public information. Our city government is a little bit cagy
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Speaker 1: when it comes to giving us truthful information. They find
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Speaker 1: themselves backed into a corner a lot because of that.
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Speaker 1: So at least if we have multimute, yeah, transcript or again,
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Speaker 1: the delay would give us access to what actually was
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Speaker 1: said and done a little bit later to protect the
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Speaker 1: interest of the officers on the front line. I think
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Speaker 1: that's an excellent balance.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you remember that Big Street takeover CPDA.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely crush.
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Speaker 2: Well, most of the people that they arrested and cars
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Speaker 2: that they impacted, they had scanner. Oh wow, they had
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Speaker 2: I mean they had scanner.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my grandfather used to have one, and it was
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Speaker 1: the old school scanner. You had to buy a specific
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Speaker 1: circuit for each line of communication you wanted to listen to.
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Speaker 1: This is way old school. And then before they came
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Speaker 1: out with automatic you know, basically pick it all up.
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Speaker 1: I'm under the impression you can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 1: If you even know signal ninety nine didn't it used to? Did?
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Speaker 1: There used to be a log inst someone driving around
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Speaker 1: with a police scanner in their car.
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well depending on what state you were in yet. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: so yeah, a lot of states frowned upon that heavily
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Speaker 2: for a very good reason.
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Speaker 1: What we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, Cincinnati Hamleta County, Ohio, basically
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Speaker 2: they're decades behind other departments on the other side of
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Speaker 2: the rocky that you know went encrypted thirty forty years ago.
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Speaker 1: Well, that Cincinnati signal ninety ninety. You know what happens
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Speaker 1: here is going to it take ten years for whatever
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Speaker 1: happens in the outside world to finally land in Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: It's the best place to be if the world ends.
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Speaker 1: So I've heard nine. We got more to talk about,
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Speaker 1: including the collaborative agreement. And I really am wildly curious
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Speaker 1: your take on this. This this felony charge, felony retaliation.
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Speaker 1: A guy threatened the life of a judge and his
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Speaker 1: entire family, witnessed by multiple people, and yet the grand
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Speaker 1: jury didn't indict him for this felony. I thought you
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Speaker 1: can indict a ham sandwich. We'll talk about that. The
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Speaker 1: talk station sevent twenty nine fifty on KCD talk station
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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Brian Thomas was Signal ninety nine online at
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Speaker 1: Facebook Signal ninety nine. Pivoting over the old adage is
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Speaker 1: you can indict a ham Sandwich because even though a
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Speaker 1: ham Sandwich can't commit a crime, the prosecutors in charge
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Speaker 1: of all evidence presented to the grand jury, they can
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Speaker 1: say anything they want. There's no defense counsel. There, there's
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Speaker 1: no obligation to provide exculplatory evidence. Boom, ham Sandwich indictment,
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Speaker 1: then you gotta try him. That doesn't an indictment is
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Speaker 1: not a conviction, often stated by a lot of people
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Speaker 1: who have been indicted, I haven't been convicted proof beyond
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Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt. You can't get proof beyond a reasonable
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Speaker 1: doubt for a ham Sandwich, but you can get an indictment.
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Speaker 1: Pivoting over Xavier Jackson, we have apparently signal ninety nine
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Speaker 1: bas upon what you said, and I don't doubt a
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Speaker 1: word that you have stated here. Explicit threats against common
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Speaker 1: Please Judge, Hamilton County, Common Please Judge, and his entire family,
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Speaker 1: threatening him with death in courtroom within earshot of witnesses,
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Speaker 1: including his own attorney and a deputy. So multiple witnesses
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Speaker 1: said he'd tried. He threatened to kill a judge. That
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Speaker 1: would be easy in a grand jury. You just present
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Speaker 1: the witnesses statements he threatened to kill the judge in
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Speaker 1: his family, and then you get an indictment for felony retaliation.
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Speaker 1: But that didn't happen here in Hamilton County. What happened
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Speaker 1: to Xavier Jackson in the grand jury signal ninety nine?
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Speaker 2: Well, first, let me say, Xavier Jackson is a piece of.
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Speaker 1: Pineapple gotcha, going back to our new safe word excrema.
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Speaker 2: That's all on the prosecutor's office. The prosecutor goes in,
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Speaker 2: they basically they basically telegram jury, hey, this is what
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Speaker 2: we're looking for. This is what supports what we're looking for.
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Speaker 2: It couldn't be any more clear cut than it was.
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Speaker 2: Right they had. They had witnesses from a member of
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Speaker 2: the bar, his own defense attorney. They had witnesses from
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Speaker 2: the sitting judge, They had witnesses from a deputy, witnesses
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Speaker 2: within the courthouse. So all the prosecutor's office had to
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Speaker 2: do was say, you can't threaten a sitting judge and
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Speaker 2: threatened to murder him and his entire family, because he's
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Speaker 2: sending you back to prison for something you did. You
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Speaker 2: don't get to get away with that. We're going to
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Speaker 2: make an example out of him. He needs to This
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Speaker 2: needs to be built out as a felony. And that
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Speaker 2: didn't happen. So who do I point the finger at.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you right now, I'm pointing at
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Speaker 2: right straight smack at the prosecutor's office. Because Joe Edge
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Speaker 2: Christopher McDowell is a conservative, and he's a very vocal
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Speaker 2: law and order judge. He doesn't care about political affiliation.
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Speaker 2: He cares about law and order. That's why the governor
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Speaker 2: appointed him. So he's all business. He doesn't put up
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Speaker 2: with any bologney in his court. And when this happened,
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Speaker 2: they dropped the ball. They told him, yeah, your honor,
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Speaker 2: we're charging him with a felony. And then they didn't, Oh, well,
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Speaker 2: the grand jury, okay, whatever.
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Speaker 1: Right the grand jury.
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Speaker 4: That thing is.
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Speaker 1: The grand jury dyna him on a single misdemeanor aggravated
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Speaker 1: menacing charge, obviously carrying a lot less penalty than a
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Speaker 1: felony retaliation charge. So I think that obviously it seems
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Speaker 1: to be stark evidence that they dropped the ball, because again,
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Speaker 1: all of the elements of the crime would be presented
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Speaker 1: to the jury and then you have all the elements
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Speaker 1: of the crime met with the witness testimony, playing simple
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Speaker 1: dun dry over with how could they come up with
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Speaker 1: anything else but a felony retaliation unless maybe the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: didn't put it that simply to them.
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Speaker 2: Well, and not only that, the worst part is is
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Speaker 2: this pineapple Xavier Jackson has decided he's going to represent
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Speaker 2: himself so that he himself can ask question of the
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Speaker 2: judge while he's in the witness box.
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Speaker 1: Hmm, well, you know what they say about people who
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Speaker 1: choose to represent themselves.
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Speaker 2: Mm. I do, but I don't want you to hit
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Speaker 2: the dump button.
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Speaker 1: I they have a piece of pineapple as a client.
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Speaker 1: That's the way that goes.
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Speaker 2: You know, It's just you know, this is this is
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Speaker 2: the prosecutor's office that we have. Now. It's it's a
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Speaker 2: shame because you know what somebody commented on my post
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Speaker 2: when I posted that, and he said, Joe Dieters would
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Speaker 2: have buried this guy under the under the under the jail.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's absolutely true.
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Speaker 2: And you know what MORESSA Powers would have done that too, and.
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Speaker 1: Or signal ninety nine. Let me observe either of those
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Speaker 1: two would have fired an assistant prosecutor who couldn't get
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Speaker 1: an indictment for a felony retaliation conviction. With all of
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Speaker 1: this evidence right there, you go.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely we got more.
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Speaker 1: We got a few more topics to talk about with
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Speaker 1: a Signal ninety nine and including we'll get a commentary
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Speaker 1: to about the collabative agreement. What's going on with that
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Speaker 1: KRCD talxation brought that was Signal ninety nine talking about
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Speaker 1: well matters involving downtown Cincinnati. Not pretty, not a pretty
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Speaker 1: picture given our current structure, administration and the confusion I
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Speaker 1: think that police officers are operating under right now. Since
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Speaker 1: any collaborative agreement, this has brought up all the time,
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Speaker 1: and it was twenty plus years ago, as you wrote
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Speaker 1: the other day on your post on Signal ninety nine Facebook,
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Speaker 1: but it's apparently being used as a weapon against law
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Speaker 1: enforcement for the purpose of activism. Originally Signal ninety nine,
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Speaker 1: what was the collaborative agreement designed to address? I know
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Speaker 1: we had claims of problems in racism and accusations against
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Speaker 1: the city police going back a couple of decades, Riots
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Speaker 1: in the streets, people demanding some action, and the action
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Speaker 1: that was brought about, and the result was this collaborative Agreement,
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Speaker 1: cited regularly as the example for the entire law enforcement
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Speaker 1: community across the United States. But twenty years later, what
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Speaker 1: now needs to be done and how is it being used,
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Speaker 1: according to you, for what I will call nefarious purposes?
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Iris is not thrilled that I
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Speaker 2: called her a coconut. So let's just put that on
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Speaker 2: the table. Talk about the elephant in the room. Yes,
21:34
Speaker 2: I called her a coconut, and I'm not sorry. So
21:37
Speaker 2: moving on, the collaborative Agreement is used, it's been weaponized.
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Speaker 2: It's so vague and ambiguous. Have you ever read it, Brian.
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Speaker 1: No, I have not, I'll be honest with you. But
21:48
Speaker 1: if you want to read, it's right there in served
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Speaker 1: the ninety nine posts, go ahead and pour through it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little ambiguous, it's a lot ambiguous. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be for over site. It's not supposed
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Speaker 2: to be the absolute tell all of everything. We're going
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Speaker 2: to dictate how you're going to be a police department
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Speaker 2: from here to eternity. And you got to remember, I mean,
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Speaker 2: we have my gosh, what is this? Twenty four years later,
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Speaker 2: we've got BWC's, we've got cruiser cam.
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Speaker 1: Bodywarn she means body worn cameras. We've got to do
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Speaker 1: more explaining Signal ninety nine because treat me like an
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Speaker 1: eight year old that I don't know anything about what
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Speaker 1: you're talking about. So body warren cameras we got. You
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Speaker 1: talked about tasers versus the use of maybe PR twenty
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Speaker 1: fours or firearms. We've got license plate readers. You got
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Speaker 1: all this new technology. Every single moment in time is
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Speaker 1: basically recorded. We know where the offices are, we know
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Speaker 1: what they did, we know how they interacted with the public.
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Speaker 1: And this I think has served to benefit the officers
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Speaker 1: over time because quite often they're accused of engaging in
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Speaker 1: well untoured conduct or even issues of racism when they
22:56
Speaker 1: didn't do it. They at least have body camera footage
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Speaker 1: to show exactly what was said or during the interaction.
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Speaker 1: So that's a big plus for everybody. What needs to
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Speaker 1: be done and does the collaborative agreement control the day
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Speaker 1: to day functioning of what a police officer does when
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Speaker 1: he or she encounters someone out there engaging in criminal activity.
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Speaker 1: That seems to be the problem right there, Well.
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Speaker 2: That's correct. And I'm just going to use this one example. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Iris had a cow and wrote it around the city.
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Speaker 2: When staff wanted to bring in the full package that
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Speaker 2: the governor offered last year.
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Speaker 1: All right, and recall that was after the riot. The
23:35
Speaker 1: governor said, all the state resources that you want, you
23:38
Speaker 1: can have thirty every day of the calendar months, every
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Speaker 1: day of the week. We got state patrol. We've got
23:43
Speaker 1: other resources here they are if you want them. What
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Speaker 1: did the city do. They chose to take what at
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Speaker 1: one weekend a month or something of that.
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Speaker 2: It was two days a month to two days. And
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Speaker 2: the reasoning was, okay, well no, because all they could
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Speaker 2: do is at the enforcement because they won't follow the
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Speaker 2: collaborative agreement. They're not trained in it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, back up.
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Speaker 2: Right, they don't have to be trained in it. They
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Speaker 2: enforced the law and nobody is exempt from the law.
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Speaker 2: And that was the problem that Iris really had. No,
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Speaker 2: we're not going to have people down here getting getting,
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Speaker 2: you know, cited for for having alcohol in public or
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Speaker 2: smoking weed public. No, no, no, he was having absolutely
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Speaker 2: none of it.
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Speaker 1: So specifically to that point that to that exact point
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Speaker 1: that is, okay, let's say open container drinking outside of
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Speaker 1: a door is a problem. It is a citable offense.
24:43
Speaker 1: There's no questions along on the book about that. Does
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Speaker 1: the Collaborative Agreement specifically address the encounters with people drinking
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Speaker 1: alcohol outside? I cannot believe it contains that level of specificity.
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Speaker 3: That's not right. Okay, it does not.
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Speaker 1: So what does it say about the day to day
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Speaker 1: apple of the laws as it applies to the citizenry
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Speaker 1: at large?
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Speaker 2: Pretty much in a nutshell, it says that police officers
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Speaker 2: have to be professional to the public yep, not exhibit racism,
25:14
Speaker 2: and not use excessive force when not necessary. You know,
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Speaker 2: all the standard things you would consider to have to
25:22
Speaker 2: be a cop, be.
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Speaker 1: A good officer, and apply the law equally to everyone. Period.
25:26
Speaker 1: Now does it give the power Does it give the
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Speaker 1: power to anyone other than the police chief to ensure
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Speaker 1: that that is going on out on the front lines?
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Speaker 1: Who do the police respond to and who do they
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Speaker 1: take their cues from under the Collaborative Agreement? Does it
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Speaker 1: speak to that?
25:42
Speaker 2: Well, there is no director of this Collaborative Agreement, So
25:45
Speaker 2: it's just been the coconut. The coconut's been running with
25:48
Speaker 2: it for a while.
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Speaker 1: And for those not knowing she's referring to Iris Roli,
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Speaker 1: who's a community activist, was integrally involved in the creation
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Speaker 1: of the Collaborative Agreement. She's an outspoken anti police. Am
25:57
Speaker 1: I right on that. She's a defund the police type person.
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Speaker 1: And you do have documented evidence on videotape that she
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Speaker 1: has interfered with police officers doing their.
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Speaker 2: Job many times and insulted them and harassed them and
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Speaker 2: threatened them. Yeah, oh yeah, it's all out.
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Speaker 1: There, all right, So we'll pause from it because you're
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Speaker 1: gonna answer this question recognizing what you said. It's silent
26:21
Speaker 1: about the day to day enforcement of the laws. You
26:23
Speaker 1: expect equal treatment of the laws. It basically governs the
26:25
Speaker 1: conduct of police officers, so they are being decent, good people.
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Speaker 1: How do they shoehorn this nebulousness in the Collaborative Agreement
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Speaker 1: into the day to day functioning of a police officer
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Speaker 1: doing his job. Let's signal nine nine answer that question.
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Speaker 1: We come back seven forty five right now. If you
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Speaker 1: in enlightening stuff she reports on Claire Corkoran, Clemer County
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Speaker 1: Trusty Clik. Corkan joined the program at top of there,
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Speaker 1: neaed to talk about America's fiftieth Birthday, what Clairemont County's doing,
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Speaker 1: and Robert Borton's book Next Hour eight eight thirty woke
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Speaker 1: and weaponized about the sad state of the Marxism in
27:08
Speaker 1: our education system. The meantime pivoting over to Signal ninet nine,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Collaborative Agreement. All right, collaborate agreement
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Speaker 1: just basically governs just day to day conduct. Be a
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Speaker 1: good officer. Let's boil it down. Don't treat people differently.
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Speaker 1: Everyone equally apply it under the law. Some is dotted
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Speaker 1: and teas crossed, all that, but nothing with regard to
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Speaker 1: the specifics of the day to day workings of the
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Speaker 1: police department, Like what do you do when you encounter
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Speaker 1: a kid with an open container? Downsound out to outside
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Speaker 1: of Dora. Now, I would presume that you would take
27:36
Speaker 1: your instructions from the chief on that. There's got to
27:38
Speaker 1: be policies and standards that would apply equally to everyone.
27:42
Speaker 1: But that doesn't sound like the case. But How does
27:45
Speaker 1: one shoehorn the collaborative agreement into giving somebody other than
27:50
Speaker 1: let's say, the chief of police, the authority to make
27:52
Speaker 1: decisions with regard who gets cited and who doesn't, or
27:55
Speaker 1: under what circumstances. I get the impression the police are
27:58
Speaker 1: very confused right now.
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Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you this. You'll never find a
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Speaker 2: policy that says you can't enforce this, this, this, this, this, this,
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Speaker 2: this is right. I did a big post last year
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Speaker 2: over there were over twenty five things that CPD is
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Speaker 2: supposed to just ignore. Okay, they're not supposed to enforce
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Speaker 2: it any of these things. There's no policy that says
28:26
Speaker 2: they cannot. But it's all sprinkle down, word of mouth,
28:30
Speaker 2: wink at a nod. Right, you know, answer your call,
28:35
Speaker 2: pay attention to the really important stuff, and ignore, you know,
28:39
Speaker 2: ignore all this other static. That's not policing. That's why
28:45
Speaker 2: we have the issues that we have. I mean, of course,
28:48
Speaker 2: the biggest reason why crime is out of control are
28:51
Speaker 2: because we have coconut judges that you know, won't hold
28:58
Speaker 2: criminals accountable, and court judge, administrative judge that absolutely won't
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Speaker 2: hold juveniles accountable. So you know, they know that they
29:09
Speaker 2: all know that.
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Speaker 1: But Judge Silberstein, for example, isn't Silverstein one of the
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Speaker 1: the real light on crime judges?
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Speaker 2: She is? She is one of the worst coconuts.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's that's kind of what I thought. And
29:21
Speaker 1: when you say cocaine loop, yeah, okay, you just mean
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Speaker 1: looney tunes when you say coconut. You don't intend anything
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Speaker 1: racist by that, do you?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I'm just I hear somebody out there drawing
29:34
Speaker 1: a conclusion. You know how things are these days, is
29:36
Speaker 1: trying to cover your button mind because Thomas, you didn't say,
29:38
Speaker 1: you didn't you didn't say anything about her racist statement
29:40
Speaker 1: that iris rolis a coconut. Yeah, Senner nine nine's using
29:44
Speaker 1: that term across the board for anybody who's looney tunes.
29:46
Speaker 1: I I guess so. But real quick, here, the officers
29:51
Speaker 1: are concerned because of these unwritten policies what they're supposed
29:54
Speaker 1: to do versus what's actually written down, which would be
29:56
Speaker 1: equal treatment and equal enforcement of the law. You see
29:59
Speaker 1: a crime, the issue a sideation for a crime to
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Speaker 1: anybody who's committing to crime. What is the risk of
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Speaker 1: an officer who defies this unwritten group of woke Policies
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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine. What happened?
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Speaker 2: What do you think the risk is, Brian.
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Speaker 1: Well, under the circumstances, based on what happened to police
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Speaker 1: Chief Dji and Chief Washington in the fire department, they
30:18
Speaker 1: get fired.
30:21
Speaker 2: Well, either that or they go on some crap shift
30:25
Speaker 2: and some crap assignment.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:29
Speaker 2: No, I mean they're gonna do what they're told to do.
30:32
Speaker 3: And I guess don't.
30:34
Speaker 1: Promotions probably might be at risk as well.
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Speaker 2: Promotions evaluations yes, so is it worth the risk? No?
30:45
Speaker 2: And the reason why IRIS doesn't want them to mess
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Speaker 2: with low level crime is because a lot of these
30:54
Speaker 2: idiots walking around drinking in public, smoking weed in public,
30:58
Speaker 2: you know, petty saff panhand jaywalking, all of these things. Okay,
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Speaker 2: they have warrants. A lot of people have warrants. So
31:09
Speaker 2: if CPD approaches somebody and says, hey, you can't drink that,
31:12
Speaker 2: come over here, give me your ID what if they
31:16
Speaker 2: have a warrant, Oh my god, we can't have that.
31:20
Speaker 2: We can't have them picked up on a warrant. What
31:22
Speaker 2: so we better not even just approached these.
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Speaker 1: This is a person who has a warrant out. They
31:26
Speaker 1: have demonstrated that they've either violated the law, or at
31:29
Speaker 1: least we have a strong suspicion they have that they
31:31
Speaker 1: violated at alaw enough to get a warrant out. That
31:33
Speaker 1: seems to be the type of person you absolutely want
31:35
Speaker 1: to find. So good they're out breaking the law again
31:38
Speaker 1: in the form of a misdemeanor open container. But lo
31:40
Speaker 1: and behold that by doing that you found the person
31:43
Speaker 1: you've been looking for. That sounds to me like you
31:45
Speaker 1: shoul get a feather in their cap rather than be
31:47
Speaker 1: condemned for it.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, well, they took an oath Brian not to only
31:54
Speaker 2: enforce these laws. They took an oath to and to
31:59
Speaker 2: enforce all of the laws in the state of Ohio.
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Speaker 2: So it rubs a lot of these officers the wrong way.
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Speaker 2: And you know, every single day, that's every single day.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that brings all.
32:13
Speaker 2: Their eyes so far that they can see their own brain.
32:15
Speaker 2: That's how you know. And but what are they supposed
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Speaker 2: to do?
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Speaker 1: Well, that seems to be where we find ourselves right now.
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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine. I love what you're doing each and
32:25
Speaker 1: every day for the folks in the city of Cincinnati
32:26
Speaker 1: and revealing these this craziness. I appreciate your judicial endorsements.
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Speaker 1: Chris McDowell, Roger Bouchard, Katie Cash, Leah dink Locker, Robert Gerring,
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Speaker 1: Dennis Charles Mahoney, Betsy Sunderman over the juvenile Susan Lucan
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Speaker 1: in the probate Court, Ralph Winkler. Those are outstanding choices.
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Speaker 1: I also approve of your endorsements. And you know the
32:45
Speaker 1: real reason I'm upset you didn't show up today. I'm
32:47
Speaker 1: jealous because Warty Warren County Prosecutor David Fornshaw was proudly
32:51
Speaker 1: displaying his brand new Signal ninety nine shirt. I didn't
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Speaker 1: get one.
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm picking up some shirts today, so I'm
33:02
Speaker 4: going to take one to the prosecutor in Claremont County
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Speaker 4: and triple dog dare him to do the same thing
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Speaker 4: David Horntell did.
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Speaker 2: Do it?
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Speaker 1: Do it? Signlighty. I thank you for your time today.
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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Connie? Do you think Connie would do
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Speaker 2: it for him and the county prosecutor page?
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's rich. That's we'll end on that comedic note
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Speaker 1: rhetorical question. Yeah, I think we all know the answer
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Speaker 1: to that. One big no