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The Kenny Report | 19 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Ross plenty on the economy on this program here
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Speaker 2: tonight as well.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me. Labor and the economy.
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Speaker 2: Your cost of living There dish a spin about budget
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Speaker 2: savings and how labor lashes out at its critics. One
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Speaker 2: nation's one time Muslim candidate hits back at Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 2: over those controversial comments. A man who lost his daughter
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Speaker 2: in an inter Farda attack shares his thoughts on calls
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Speaker 2: to globalize the Interfada Iran making waves at the United
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Speaker 2: Nations as the US prepares for a military attack.
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Speaker 3: Alexander Downer joins me from London.
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Speaker 2: All that and in Sport with Robo a Grand Prix
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Speaker 2: heading back to Adelaide plus Mark and Tim to make sense.
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Speaker 3: Of all the madness around us. Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the cost of living and the economy
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Speaker 2: and how the alban easy labor government is performing and
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Speaker 2: how it's reacting to criticism. We know real wages have
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Speaker 2: gone backwards. That was the economic news yesterday. Electricity prices
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Speaker 2: continue to surge despite record increases.
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Speaker 3: They're expected to keep.
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Speaker 2: Going up thanks to labour's renewable energy push. Government spending
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Speaker 2: is at record levels, pushing up inflation again and that
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Speaker 2: scene interest rates increase again, pushing mortgages up. Government debt
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Speaker 2: is about to hit a trillion dollars for the first time,
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Speaker 2: one thousand billion dollars, and crucially, our productivity growth is low,
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Speaker 2: with the Reserve Bank lowering its expectations. But the Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Jim Charmers well, smug as ever he reckons he's doing
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Speaker 2: a great job now.
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Speaker 4: Of course, with inflation higher than we like, that has
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Speaker 4: implications for the real wages calculation. But the overwhelming story
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Speaker 4: of this labor government has been real wages growth.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, if there's confidence in the face of serious economic
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Speaker 2: problems and an ongoing cost of living crisis doesn't worry
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Speaker 2: you enough, have a look at how the Albanezy government
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Speaker 2: deals with fair criticism from experts. The government got a
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Speaker 2: public warning from the former Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe yesterday.
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Speaker 2: He blasted the federal government's cost of living handouts and
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Speaker 2: in action on boosting the overall size of the economy,
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Speaker 2: warning it has condemned the nation to high interest rates,
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Speaker 2: low wage growth and a stagnation in living standards, reported
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Speaker 2: the Australian Financial Review. The productivity capacity of the economy
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Speaker 2: is not growing very quickly, and the government wants to
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Speaker 2: keep spending and wants to keep offering people handouts, which
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Speaker 2: adds to demand, which in the normal course of events
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Speaker 2: would be fine. But if the supply is not growing,
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Speaker 2: you can't do it, and if you try to do it,
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Speaker 2: then interest rates have to go up, said the former
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Speaker 2: RBA governor. Specific and timely economic commentary from a well
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Speaker 2: qualified and experienced expert.
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Speaker 3: But listen to the Treasurer's response.
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Speaker 4: I think it's a matter of public record. Phil Low
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Speaker 4: would have liked to have been reappointed by the government.
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Speaker 4: After he wasn't reappointed by the government, he's become a
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Speaker 4: fairly persistent critic of the Labor government in the pages
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Speaker 4: of the Financial Review and elsewhere. I think, to some
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Speaker 4: extent that's just human nature.
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Speaker 2: Forget the economy, forget taxpayers and the cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 2: He just played the man and the Prime Minister did
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Speaker 2: the same.
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Speaker 6: I haven't seen his comments, but you know, feel Low
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Speaker 6: the footballer, former Manly player or former RBA governor. You
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Speaker 6: know you have people who are exers who get their
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Speaker 6: name in the paper.
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Speaker 3: How about that.
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Speaker 2: Hey, we have a government breaking its own economic promises.
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Speaker 2: It's broken promises on the cost of living, on inflation,
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Speaker 2: on mortgage rates, and on electricity prices. Yet instead of
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Speaker 2: tackling the problems, it just lashes out at the critics.
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Speaker 3: But the other thing it does is spin.
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Speaker 2: It spins like crazy, trying to sell an economic story
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Speaker 2: that's the opposite to reality.
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Speaker 3: Listen to the Prime Minister again.
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Speaker 6: What I'm focused on is today, making a difference today,
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Speaker 6: right now, and that is something that we continue to do.
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Speaker 6: And that's why when it comes to savings, we're produced
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Speaker 6: one hundred and fourteen billion dollars of savings, including twenty
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Speaker 6: billion dollars of savings in the midyear forecast. That makes
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Speaker 6: a substantial difference.
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Speaker 2: You heard it, one hundred and fourteen billion dollars worth
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Speaker 2: of saving. Sounds impressive, doesn't it. Well, it is the
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Speaker 2: figure that the Finance Minister has been using, and she's
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Speaker 2: the one who's supposed to be on top of all
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Speaker 2: this stuff.
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Speaker 7: We found one hundred and fourteen billion dollars in savings.
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Speaker 7: I know it rolls off the tongue, but that is
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Speaker 7: you know, that is much more than any government that
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Speaker 7: I can recall.
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Speaker 2: There it is again one hundred and fourteen billion dollars
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Speaker 2: in savings. Let's see how that stacks up under scrutiny.
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Speaker 5: You said there's been one hundred and fourteen billion dollars
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Speaker 5: of savings across your budgets. Is that net savings or
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Speaker 5: gross savings?
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Speaker 7: Well, it's savings and reprioritizing, so we're saving and then
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Speaker 7: real essentially to offset new priorities.
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Speaker 5: So you're saying that's net of spending decisions. You reduced
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Speaker 5: expenditure of one hundred and fourteen billions.
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Speaker 8: It's a gross figure.
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Speaker 5: It's gross, right, What is the net figure?
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Speaker 7: I don't have that available.
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Speaker 5: Is it positive or negative?
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Speaker 9: Well, I just.
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Speaker 7: Don't have that figure in front of me.
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Speaker 3: Are there savings or are they not?
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Speaker 2: Gallagher either has no idea what she's doing, or she's
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Speaker 2: determined not to level with the public about how she
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Speaker 2: spends their money.
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Speaker 7: I have not claimed or overclaimed that achievement that has
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Speaker 7: been basically to support offsetting new spending and also those
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Speaker 7: demand driven programs which are not decisions of government, but
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Speaker 7: which have had a very significant impact on expenditure. On
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Speaker 7: the expenditure side of the budget since we came to government.
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Speaker 5: But if you spend every dollar that you've saved, it's
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Speaker 5: not a save it, it's just spending it on something else.
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Speaker 7: That can be the way you twist it. I've founded
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Speaker 7: finding one hundred and fourteen billion dollars in savings has
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Speaker 7: been a big effort.
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Speaker 2: They haven't saved a cent. They've shifted one hundred and
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Speaker 2: fourteen billion dollars from one kind of spending to other spending.
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Speaker 2: And then they've spent more than thirty billion dollars extra
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Speaker 2: on top of that.
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Speaker 3: They haven't made savings, they've spent more. It's as simple
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Speaker 3: as that. Yet they spin the opposite.
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Speaker 2: They try to fool the public, the very people whose
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Speaker 2: money they're spending. And the more scrutiny they come under,
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Speaker 2: the more criticism they cop, the more falsehoods they push out.
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Speaker 3: Check this one.
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Speaker 5: Yesterday in the Senate, you said, and I quote, the
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Speaker 5: highest spending government was the Howard government. What is the
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Speaker 5: basis for this claim?
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Speaker 2: The Finance Minister was caught out again, yet again clueless
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Speaker 2: and pushing falsehoods.
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Speaker 7: If I have made an error, I'm happy to change that.
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Speaker 7: I will get the figures that I was relying on Sorry,
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Speaker 7: I've just been trying to get some advice my comments here,
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Speaker 7: so I do need to correct the record. My comments
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Speaker 7: should have said the Morrison government, not the Howard government.
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Speaker 2: They're not laughing with you, minister, They're laughing at you.
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Speaker 2: To suggest the Howard government was big spending is ludicrous.
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Speaker 2: No one who understands the budget would try to run
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Speaker 2: that line. And yeah, the Morrison government spent big in
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Speaker 2: the pandemic. Labor urged it to spend even more at
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Speaker 2: the time. But none of this matches the alb and
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Speaker 2: easy Labor government's record spending wildly and unproductively, expanding government
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Speaker 2: and condemning taxpayers to years of economic pain to come,
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Speaker 2: and all the while showing us that they've got no idea.
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Speaker 2: I just want to follow up on the Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: story from this week, her attack on Muslims.
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Speaker 10: Here.
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Speaker 3: She was on Monday night with Shari you know.
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Speaker 11: You say, oh, well there's good Muslims out there. Well,
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Speaker 11: I'm sorry, how can you tell me there are good Muslims?
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Speaker 2: And last night, right here on this program, she offered
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Speaker 2: a half hearted apology.
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Speaker 11: I'm straight at my case with it, and I said,
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Speaker 11: if I've infound the people on what my beliefs are
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Speaker 11: and they're a Muslim, then I do apologize to those
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Speaker 11: people if I have found them.
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Speaker 2: Hanson's supporters are rallying around her, but major party politicians,
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Speaker 2: including the Prime Minister and the new Deputy Liberal Leader,
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Speaker 2: have continued to condemn Hanson's remarks.
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Speaker 12: Those are not comments that I would ever wish to
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Speaker 12: associate myself with. I think that they are a borring
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Speaker 12: and I think most Australians, sensible Australians, right thinking Australians,
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Speaker 12: would agree that that is a nut necessary insult to
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Speaker 12: the so many good Australian Muslims.
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Speaker 2: Now, some of you have contacted me directly or gone
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Speaker 2: on to social media attacking me for daring to question
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Speaker 2: paul En Hanson on this yesterday. Well, you're all entitled
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Speaker 2: to your views, of course, but there are a couple
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Speaker 2: of key points to make. First, I don't accept that
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Speaker 2: anyone should be smearing all people of one faith, or
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Speaker 2: one ethnic background or one skin color. I happen to
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Speaker 2: believe in individual rights and responsibilities, not in lumping people
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Speaker 2: together and making judgments about them based on their religion,
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Speaker 2: their race, or anything else.
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Speaker 3: And second, if you support paul Enhanson and.
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Speaker 2: Believe she's a strong political leader, as many people understandably do,
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Speaker 2: then surely you have to accept she'll be questioned and tested,
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Speaker 2: and obviously she's capable of handling such questioning. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the alternative is ridiculous that some politicians, any politicians, should
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Speaker 2: never be questioned, should never be pressed. What a world
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Speaker 2: that would be? Anyway, Today I spoke with Emma ros
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Speaker 2: she was the Muslim candidate for One Nation in the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales state election seven years ago that I
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Speaker 2: showed you last night in this.
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Speaker 3: Video with Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 2: Eos was busy on a construction site today and couldn't
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Speaker 2: join us in the studio, but she had this to
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Speaker 2: say about Pauline Hanson's comments.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely ridiculous.
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Speaker 14: It's an insult to all Muslim hard paying taxpayers, working peoples.
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Speaker 14: Didn't come five minutes ago, it didn't come nine to eleven.
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Speaker 14: They've been here since the Kamali's era. Come on in US,
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Speaker 14: en US, they're hard working Muslims out there. Of course,
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Speaker 14: we do not want terrorism. Who wants terrorism, you know?
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Speaker 14: So to say that there are no good Muslims out there, it's.
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Speaker 2: Just wrong now that is from a former One Nation candidate. Interestingly,
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Speaker 2: Roos does think the controversy will cost hands in any support.
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Speaker 14: I don't believe she's going to be losing members because
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Speaker 14: her members birds of a feather flops together, and you
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Speaker 14: know there are some great members. I mean they've verted
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Speaker 14: for me. I just you know, I don't think it's
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Speaker 14: going to affect her, and Pauline needs to just you know,
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Speaker 14: probably pause before saying something so ignorant.
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Speaker 2: There you go, that's the view from a Muslim One
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Speaker 2: Nation candidate. Ros By, the way, is no longer a
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Speaker 2: One Nation member. She'd moved on long before this controversy.
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Speaker 9: That's it.
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Speaker 13: Really, it's just over time. I don't like certain views
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Speaker 13: and I don't represent a toxic society. I just don't
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Speaker 13: like the reetrick that's negative. I don't like hetrick that's
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Speaker 13: negative when it's against.
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Speaker 14: Australian people, mums, dad's taxpayers, just humans in general.
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Speaker 2: Now, one frustrating aspect of this Lates skufuffle is that
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Speaker 2: it feeds into the Muslim victimhood meme. I've spoken about
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Speaker 2: this before. It's a central grievance that Islamus extremists often
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Speaker 2: try to exploit. Intolerant words from people like Hanson can
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Speaker 2: only feed into this narrative.
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Speaker 15: We have to accept that words have consequences and you
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Speaker 15: can put hate in someone's heart with that kind of
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Speaker 15: racist demagoguery of members of our community. And I want
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Speaker 15: to say in a categorical way that we have wonderful,
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Speaker 15: great Muslim Australians that have done amazing things for our
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Speaker 15: state and for our country.
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Speaker 2: And after the New South Wales police were criticized for
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Speaker 2: forcibly moving on Muslims praying at an anti Israel protest
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Speaker 2: last week and now threatening messages being sent to mosques
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Speaker 2: in New South Wales while the police are providing added
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Speaker 2: security at Ramadan events in the Sydney suburbs. Meanwhile, Jewish
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Speaker 2: schools and synagogues are still surrounded by armed guards and
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Speaker 2: traffic barriers. Tragically, social cohesion has become a foreign concept
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Speaker 2: in Australia. How bad is the United Nations? How much
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Speaker 2: worse can it gets? I showed you the other day
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Speaker 2: how the UN appointed at Iran as vice chair of
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Speaker 2: a committee looking at social development. Yeah, a hardline Islamist
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Speaker 2: theocracy that slaughters its own people, sponsors terrorism and illegally
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Speaker 2: pursues nuclear weapons, or it leads the charge on Social development.
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Speaker 3: At the United Nations. But what about the United Nations Charter.
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Speaker 2: If you had a committee looking at ways to improve
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Speaker 2: the way the UN works, who would you look to
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Speaker 2: for that job?
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 16: We therefore consider that the presentative of the Islamic Public
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Speaker 16: of Iran has been elected to the position of vice chair.
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Speaker 2: Yeah vice chair of the Special Committee on the UN Charter.
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Speaker 2: The Islamic Republic of Iran, Venezuela got a gig too.
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Speaker 2: Israel objected.
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Speaker 17: A state has systematically violates the Charter and international law,
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Speaker 17: under minds international business, security, and massacres its own civilians
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Speaker 17: cannot credibly serve on a bureau of the committee task
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Speaker 17: with strengthening the very child of the United Nations. The
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Speaker 17: fact that this decision is allowed to be passed without
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Speaker 17: objection or even without calling for a vote, speaks volume.
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Speaker 3: It sure does.
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Speaker 2: The Americans also spoke up for sanity.
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Speaker 8: We extras sincere regret and disappointment that Venezuela and Iran
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Speaker 8: have been selected by their regional groups to take on
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Speaker 8: leadership positions in this body, and we similarly associate from
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Speaker 8: their election for these rules.
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Speaker 3: But it all went ahead.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Iran got the position, and the United Nations
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Speaker 2: marches along on its hopeless path and we wonder why
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Speaker 2: the world's a mess.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to.
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Speaker 2: Western Australia now and catch up with the Shadow Attorney
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Speaker 2: General Michaulia Cash. Good to talk to you, Mikaylia. That
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Speaker 2: you and they're a great bunch, aren't they. Iran in
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Speaker 2: the chair on a couple of key committees.
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Speaker 18: Well, hold on, isn't the United Nations, Chris, meant to
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Speaker 18: be all about, you know, standing up for the downtrodden,
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Speaker 18: standing up for the oppressed, ensuring that we put in
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Speaker 18: place better rules, et cetera for them. Is this an
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Speaker 18: absolute joke, Iran, as you said, currently slaughtering their own
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Speaker 18: people for standing up and begging for the freedoms that
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Speaker 18: we have on a daily basis. I actually hope that
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Speaker 18: It'sustralia also endorsed what the USA said, disassociated ourselves from
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Speaker 18: this vote because it is a total joke and quite frankly,
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Speaker 18: undermines are what the UN is meant to be doing.
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Speaker 2: Spot on. Australia is not immune from this, though, because
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Speaker 2: we learned today that this country has given permanent residency
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Speaker 2: to the daughter of a sanctioned Uranian military leader who
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Speaker 2: took that decision, Was it the wrong decision? And can
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Speaker 2: it be rescinded?
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Speaker 18: They are all the questions which the government should be answering.
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Speaker 18: So we have on one hand, and we'll talk about
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Speaker 18: that shortly. Let's bring back in a whole lot of
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Speaker 18: women and their kids who left Australia turned their backs
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Speaker 18: on us and everything we stand for to go and
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Speaker 18: actually live with terrorists, and then we wake up this
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Speaker 18: morning to go, well, hey, hold on, Australia has listed
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Speaker 18: the IRGC as a terrorist organization. We have sanctioned this
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Speaker 18: particular individual, Yahn is currently slaughtering its own people who
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Speaker 18: are out there begging, begging for the freedoms that we
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Speaker 18: have on a daily basis. But hey, this is a
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Speaker 18: government who then gives permanent residency to the daughter of
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Speaker 18: this sanctioned individual. This is not a normal routine immigration case, Chris,
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Speaker 18: this is a national security case. You're either serious about
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Speaker 18: sanctions or you're not. You're either serious about listing the
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Speaker 18: IIGC as a terrorist organization or you're not. And this
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Speaker 18: government is clearly not serious.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is mind boggling as you say from a
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Speaker 2: national security point of view, because we know that there
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Speaker 2: are Iranians in this country, Australian Iranians who are living
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Speaker 2: in fear of the outreach of this regime which has
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Speaker 2: been known to kill and persecute people in other countries,
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Speaker 2: and yet they're letting into this country someone closely connected
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Speaker 2: to the very worst elements of the.
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Speaker 18: H Well, what is worse than that? What an insult
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Speaker 18: to every Australian, but to every Jewish Australian because if
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Speaker 18: you recall, the IRGC were also found to be responsible
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Speaker 18: for an act of terrorism on Australian soil. So again,
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Speaker 18: those questions that you posed in your introduction are exactly
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Speaker 18: the questions that this government should be answering. But more
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Speaker 18: than that, I read a lot of the comments underneath
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Speaker 18: the story. This is what I found interesting. The comments
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Speaker 18: went to this effect, well, I've known someone from the
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Speaker 18: US or from England who've been here for ten years
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Speaker 18: and they can't get permanent residency. So I have to say, Jesus,
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Speaker 18: who is this government actually bringing into this country and
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Speaker 18: who are they stopping from coming into this country. This
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Speaker 18: is a government that is not standing up for Australia.
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Speaker 18: And Australian values and they should be made Chris to
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Speaker 18: basically explain to Australians how this decision was made.
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Speaker 2: Well, that brings us to the so called isis brides.
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Speaker 2: Now we know that the government has to be proactive
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Speaker 2: in allowing these returns to happen, because travel documents need
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Speaker 2: to be issued.
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Speaker 3: There has to be.
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Speaker 2: Passports issues, visas issues. You don't just turn up. You
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Speaker 2: can't get on a plane to Australia unless you've actually
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Speaker 2: had all this documentation handled. Now two questions here, really,
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Speaker 2: I mean the government's pretending this is all basically happening
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Speaker 2: without it even knowing what's going on. That's ridiculous. The
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Speaker 2: minister oversees this. And secondly, under law, do they have
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Speaker 2: the right to actually refuse passports to these people?
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Speaker 18: Okay, So in the first instance, you now have Australia
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Speaker 18: a Prime minister who is blatantly lying to your face,
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Speaker 18: identity checks, DNA checks, passports being issued, documents for travel
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Speaker 18: being prepared. I'm going to do something really unparliamentary and
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Speaker 18: I'm going to call bullshit on this Prime Minister. You
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Speaker 18: are lying to the Australian people. You are assisting these
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Speaker 18: women and their children who turned their back on Australia
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Speaker 18: to come back here. Do not treat Australians as mugs.
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Speaker 18: But this is actually the bigger deception. It's in relation
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Speaker 18: to the temporary exclusion orders. The Minister keeps on saying,
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Speaker 18: I haven't got the national security advice. What the Minister
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Speaker 18: is forgetting to tell the Australian people is that under
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Speaker 18: Section ten of the relevant Act, the Minister does not
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Speaker 18: need the advice of the security agencies. The Minister can
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Speaker 18: form his own reasonable suspicion that keeping these women out
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Speaker 18: of our country would assist in ensuring that there is
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Speaker 18: not a terrorist related event on Australian soil. So the
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Speaker 18: Minister is hiding behind our security agencies when he himself
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Speaker 18: could form a reasonable suspicion. Now let me give you
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Speaker 18: the facts, though, because the Minister will say mcay is wrong,
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Speaker 18: I need the security agencies to actually give me that
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Speaker 18: reasonable suspicion wrong. These women left Australia to go to
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Speaker 18: an ISIS controlled territory. These women lived in an ISIS
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Speaker 18: controlled territory whilst the terrorists committed acts of genocide and
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Speaker 18: global terrorist events. These women either married or associated with
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Speaker 18: ISIS fighters. These women have spent the last six years
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Speaker 18: in camps specifically for ISIS families. Worse, they've chosen to
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Speaker 18: come back to Australia but a few weeks, a few
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Speaker 18: months after the most significant terrorist related event this country
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Speaker 18: has ever seen. Now, I don't know about you, Chris,
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Speaker 18: but if Minister Burke cannot form a reasonable suspicion on
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Speaker 18: those publicly available facts that I just don't know what
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Speaker 18: you actually need, he could issue temper exclusion orders this
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Speaker 18: afternoon against every single one of these individuals. And as
23:06
Speaker 18: Angus Taylor has so articulately said, shut the door.
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Speaker 2: It is a deep worry and that argument was brilliantly
23:15
Speaker 2: articulated their Mikaelia Cash.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, thanks very much.
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Speaker 2: That's the challenge there for the minister under the law,
23:24
Speaker 2: don't bring these people in.
23:25
Speaker 3: They're arisk to the country. You have the powers to act. Now.
23:30
Speaker 2: None of us can forget the hateful bile we saw
23:33
Speaker 2: in the Sydney CBD just last week from a former
23:37
Speaker 2: Australian of the Year at that anti Israel protest.
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Speaker 18: Have a look from Gadigal to Gaza Globalize the anger.
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Speaker 11: Final won my time from Gaigol to Gadha globaline.
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Speaker 2: Just terrible and reckless and irresponsible, as I've said many times.
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Speaker 3: My next guest is.
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Speaker 2: An Australian whose daughter was killed in the second Into Farda.
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Speaker 2: Malki Roth was fifteen years old in two thousand and
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Speaker 2: one when a Huamas suicide bomber detonated a device inside
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Speaker 2: a pizza bar in Jerusalem, killing her and fifteen other
24:19
Speaker 2: innocent people. Malki's father, Arnold, joins me from Israel. Now, Arnold,
24:24
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us. Your suffering which must
24:29
Speaker 2: be with you every day since two thousand and one,
24:35
Speaker 2: How has that increased when you hear people cheering for
24:38
Speaker 2: into Farda and calling for a globalized into Farda.
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Speaker 19: First all, I appreciate being here, and I want to
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Speaker 19: correct you because it's a classically bad way to start
24:50
Speaker 19: an interview. It's not my suffering that's the issue here
24:54
Speaker 19: at all. It's my experience and the things that I've
24:56
Speaker 19: learned over these years, recognizing that the genuinely are people,
25:01
Speaker 19: large numbers of them, who don't understand the consequences of
25:05
Speaker 19: calling for mass murder in the streets. That's what Australia
25:09
Speaker 19: is confronting now major movements in the public places, people
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Speaker 19: who have attractive profiles, essentially saying we need to be
25:18
Speaker 19: doing more murder.
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Speaker 1: That's what's missing in our lives.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the point, right, you understand better than
25:26
Speaker 2: most obviously what into farta is, but it shouted around
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Speaker 2: the world as some sort of cute slogan. In fact,
25:33
Speaker 2: in justifying her remarks, Grace Tame talked about a literal
25:37
Speaker 2: translation of shaking off.
25:38
Speaker 3: But we know what into farda is. It is violence,
25:43
Speaker 3: it is terrorism.
25:44
Speaker 2: We've seen it in Israel in two waves, and it
25:48
Speaker 2: is effectively what Australia saw on Bondeau Beach in December,
25:51
Speaker 2: is it not?
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Speaker 1: It is exactly right.
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Speaker 19: I challenge anybody on the pro into farther side to
25:58
Speaker 19: find an actual use of the word in any public
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Speaker 19: discourse where it means something like getting up and walking
26:05
Speaker 19: around and trying to shake something off. No, it's about murder,
26:10
Speaker 19: and we've had lots of exposure to acts of into
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Speaker 19: farder inspired murder here to be completely cured of any
26:19
Speaker 19: illusions about what these people really mean.
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Speaker 1: The fact that you have.
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Speaker 19: Bright, relatively young public figures in Australia getting up in
26:29
Speaker 19: front of really angry street crowds who who are buying
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Speaker 19: for blood and saying we need more into farder. There
26:38
Speaker 19: is a really serious problem for Australians and if it's
26:42
Speaker 19: not being dealt with is a really serious problem, the
26:44
Speaker 19: kind of problem that already has taken human lives. Then
26:49
Speaker 19: people are asleep at the wheel and that can't possibly
26:51
Speaker 19: be Nobody should put up with that.
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Speaker 3: Well, no one should put up with that.
26:55
Speaker 2: There are malicious forces at play here and they're also
26:58
Speaker 2: to give some protests the.
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Speaker 3: Benefit of the doubt.
27:01
Speaker 2: There must be ignorance there and that's where while this
27:04
Speaker 2: is not about your suffering, as you say, but as
27:06
Speaker 2: where your personal suffering and that of so many other
27:10
Speaker 2: families is relevant, because these protesters need to understand that
27:14
Speaker 2: when you bandy around terms or ideas like in Defada,
27:18
Speaker 2: this is not about war between liberation armies and occupiers.
27:22
Speaker 2: This is about innocent lives being taken. Young women and children.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more. The key word here is normalise.
27:32
Speaker 19: If you engage in enough acts of normalization, you're going
27:36
Speaker 19: to completely blur the distinction between some of the worst
27:39
Speaker 19: acts that human beings are capable of doing and ordinary descent.
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Speaker 1: We're in the midst of that.
27:44
Speaker 19: Australia is not the only place where that battle is
27:47
Speaker 19: being conducted on its streets and in its public squares
27:49
Speaker 19: and in its pizza restaurants.
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Speaker 1: It's one of many.
27:53
Speaker 19: But that doesn't give Australia any easy way out, and
27:56
Speaker 19: there are hard decisions that need to be made. I
27:59
Speaker 19: haven't lived in Australia now for thirty eight years. I
28:02
Speaker 19: still consider myself Australian and love everything about the australingness
28:08
Speaker 19: of my family. But I feel terrible for people in
28:12
Speaker 19: Australia watching essentially powerless as people making important decisions at
28:17
Speaker 19: the foreign policy level and at the legislative level, being
28:22
Speaker 19: treated to a spectacle where the people calling for murder
28:26
Speaker 19: have their rights And who are you to be judgmental
28:28
Speaker 19: about this and try to interfere with their ability to
28:32
Speaker 19: communicate to tens of thousands of people on the streets.
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Speaker 1: So this is madness. This is a road to disaster.
28:38
Speaker 2: It is What would you say to Grace Tame if
28:41
Speaker 2: you could sit across the room from her and look
28:43
Speaker 2: her in the eye and understand that she believes she's
28:45
Speaker 2: an activist for the freedom of the Palestinian people. What
28:49
Speaker 2: would you say to her about making that call publicly?
28:53
Speaker 19: I'd like to say something really attractive that you would
28:55
Speaker 19: want to replay later, but I can't. I'm an old fart.
28:59
Speaker 19: She's not going to be interested in anything I say.
29:01
Speaker 19: I'd really like to see people of her generation getting
29:04
Speaker 19: up there and saying, where the hell do you want
29:06
Speaker 19: to lead Australia? Is this what your experience in Australia
29:09
Speaker 19: has brought you to do? And now I step back
29:12
Speaker 19: from that kind of stupid comment that I've just made
29:15
Speaker 19: and say, there are lots of grace teams in Australia
29:18
Speaker 19: right now. They are on streets and outside synagogues and
29:22
Speaker 19: making trouble because they're all in the provocation mode right now.
29:27
Speaker 19: Those provocations aren't about getting people irritated, they're about getting
29:31
Speaker 19: people dead.
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Speaker 1: Dead. Now, I've had an awful experience.
29:35
Speaker 19: I'm not unique in this, but losing a fifteen year
29:37
Speaker 19: old child to an active murder with the murderer, I repeat,
29:40
Speaker 19: the murderer is still free today. She literally is dancing
29:44
Speaker 19: on my child's grave. And if that weren't bad enough,
29:47
Speaker 19: I also have two little girls, five and three, who
29:51
Speaker 19: I babysat for last night. Whose other that's Hebrew for
29:55
Speaker 19: Daddy was killed in Gaza as a member of the
30:00
Speaker 19: Israel Defense Force. Is not engaged in genocide, but in
30:03
Speaker 19: real battle. And this is the moment where I say
30:06
Speaker 19: those little girls are orphans, because Israel could have engaged
30:10
Speaker 19: in a mass act of genocide by just dropping bombs
30:13
Speaker 19: all over the alleys and buildings where he inside his
30:18
Speaker 19: tank working with colleagues, was putting his life at risk,
30:23
Speaker 19: and then we lost him. Israel's not about genocide and globalizing.
30:28
Speaker 19: The Interofada is about the worst recipe anybody can come
30:32
Speaker 19: up with if they are interested in this.
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Speaker 1: What is it called free? Free, free?
30:36
Speaker 19: Free Palestine has nothing to do with freedom, nothing to
30:39
Speaker 19: do with Palestine has got everything to do with hatred.
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Speaker 2: Arna Roth, thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it.
30:46
Speaker 2: Arnold Roth. There, who's daughter was killed in that Interfada
30:50
Speaker 2: attack in two thousand and one.
30:51
Speaker 3: There you heard him. People are chanting for death. They're
30:55
Speaker 3: not chanting for freedom.
30:56
Speaker 2: They're chanting for death when they're chanting for Indofada.
31:00
Speaker 3: Let's go to break on the other side.
31:01
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with Alexander down I find out what
31:03
Speaker 2: he thinks about Iran getting this new position at the
31:05
Speaker 2: United Nations as the US is prepared for military attack
31:09
Speaker 2: against that very country. The US says it's ready for
31:17
Speaker 2: military action against Iran. After a second round of negotiations
31:21
Speaker 2: between the US and Iran wrapped up without a deal
31:24
Speaker 2: on Tehran's nuclear program, here's US Vice President jd.
31:28
Speaker 3: Vance.
31:29
Speaker 20: You know, in some ways it went well, they agreed
31:31
Speaker 20: to meet afterwards. But another way is it was very
31:33
Speaker 20: clear that the President has set some red lines that
31:36
Speaker 20: the Iranians are not yet willing to actually acknowledge and
31:40
Speaker 20: work through.
31:42
Speaker 2: Let's go to Australia's longest serving foreign Minister, Alexander Downer,
31:45
Speaker 2: who joins US from London.
31:46
Speaker 3: Good to talk to Alexander. Were there's a.
31:49
Speaker 2: National Day of Action on the weekend, people marching against
31:52
Speaker 2: the Iranian regime right around the world, peaceful protest. The
31:56
Speaker 2: military build up is continuing from the UN US in
32:00
Speaker 2: the region. There seems to be an expectation that there
32:04
Speaker 2: could be some sort of striking coming days. What are
32:06
Speaker 2: your thoughts about the messages we're getting from the US.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's hard to be sure what they will eventually do.
32:15
Speaker 9: I said for quite a while.
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Speaker 21: I think they might hit particular military targets in Iran,
32:24
Speaker 21: including what's left at their nuclear facilities, because they still.
32:28
Speaker 9: Have sort of lower level enrichment.
32:31
Speaker 10: Capability, so they have a nuclear program of sorts, so
32:38
Speaker 10: they might decide to take on those targets.
32:42
Speaker 9: But I think the Americans are doing what they can to.
32:46
Speaker 22: Try to support the people of Iran who are trying
32:50
Speaker 22: to rise up against the regime, and they want to
32:53
Speaker 22: signal their support for those people, and no doubt behind
32:56
Speaker 22: the scenes they're providing some support to them as world
33:01
Speaker 22: So there's that play as well as just the negotiations.
33:06
Speaker 22: But as far as the negotiations are concerned, this is
33:09
Speaker 22: the typical Iranian strategy. They just strain negotiations out endlessly
33:15
Speaker 22: without ever coming to a conclusion. So I would expect
33:20
Speaker 22: some sort of military action before too long.
33:23
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the message that's coming out
33:25
Speaker 2: of the White House.
33:30
Speaker 23: For a strike against the against Iran. The President has
33:34
Speaker 23: always been very clear though with respect to Iran or
33:36
Speaker 23: any country around the world, diplomacy is always his first option,
33:39
Speaker 23: and Iran would be very wise to make a deal
33:43
Speaker 23: with President Trump.
33:45
Speaker 2: The pressure coming from the US now the pressure here
33:48
Speaker 2: from the US is very clear about what sort of
33:51
Speaker 2: a regime is running Iran, and talk to me about
33:55
Speaker 2: the paradox as we see play out. Though I talked
33:57
Speaker 2: at the top of the program, how Iran has just
34:00
Speaker 2: been made a vice chair of the Special Committee at
34:02
Speaker 2: the on the UN Charter. Last week it was made
34:05
Speaker 2: vice chair of the UN Special Committee on Social Development.
34:09
Speaker 2: And here in Australia we're not immun It turns out
34:11
Speaker 2: that the Australian government has given permanent residency to the
34:14
Speaker 2: daughter of a leading Iranian general.
34:18
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
34:20
Speaker 21: Okay, so I can't comment on the daughter of the
34:23
Speaker 21: Iranian general because I don't know enough about her and what.
34:30
Speaker 9: Due diligence was done.
34:31
Speaker 22: I mean, their question is what sort of due diligence
34:36
Speaker 22: did the government do on granting her a visa?
34:41
Speaker 9: But more broadly, I mean, unfortunately, the election of the
34:45
Speaker 9: vice chair of Iran as the vice chairer of the
34:49
Speaker 9: UN Charter Committee just undermines the credibility of that organization.
34:55
Speaker 9: The UN is now heading for the dustbin of history,
35:00
Speaker 9: along with its predecessor, the League of Nations.
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Speaker 22: It's just not credible. It's not If you like this
35:08
Speaker 22: is the Charter Committee. A committee is just not upholding
35:12
Speaker 22: its charter. And you've got a country like Iran, which
35:17
Speaker 22: is a serial human rights destroyer, a country which has
35:24
Speaker 22: been breaching international law by supporting the elimination of a
35:28
Speaker 22: nearby nation using proxies to attack it, that being Israel,
35:35
Speaker 22: and it's getting elected as the vice chair of the
35:38
Speaker 22: Charter Committee.
35:40
Speaker 9: By the way, in the wake of.
35:42
Speaker 22: The Secretary Secretary General sending a.
35:46
Speaker 2: Letter of congratulations, yes he did, through commemorating the revolution.
35:50
Speaker 2: Outrageous stuff. Thanks for joining us, Alexander. I appreciate Alexander.
35:54
Speaker 2: Down to the Live from London. We've got to get
35:56
Speaker 2: to a break on the other side, going to have
35:58
Speaker 2: a look at some private health that Bill's gowing up.
36:00
Speaker 2: Also a grand prix heading back to Adelaide.
36:03
Speaker 3: Don't go away.
36:07
Speaker 2: Two horrible and deadly incidents in Sydney over the past
36:10
Speaker 2: couple of days have raised serious concerns about the management
36:13
Speaker 2: of mental health patients and risks to the community.
36:16
Speaker 3: Here's Channel seven.
36:18
Speaker 24: This South Wales mental health system is under increasing scrutiny
36:22
Speaker 24: with revelations two men broke out of the same hospital
36:26
Speaker 24: within twenty four hours before allegedly killing multiple people. In
36:30
Speaker 24: separate incidents, two patients escaped separately. One allegedly stole a
36:35
Speaker 24: car and killed two people in Camden, the other allegedly
36:38
Speaker 24: stubed three people in Marylands, leaving one dead. Security procedures
36:42
Speaker 24: at the hospital are right now on the spotlight and
36:46
Speaker 24: the new.
36:46
Speaker 3: South Wales Premier has had this to say.
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Speaker 15: Obviously there needs to be a full investigation into the
36:51
Speaker 15: circumstances relating to these patients. These are very serious criminal
36:57
Speaker 15: charges and as soon as we receive that port we
37:01
Speaker 15: will will act on it.
37:04
Speaker 2: Let's go to the shadow of Federal Health Minister and
37:06
Speaker 2: Rustin joining us from Adelaide.
37:08
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
37:09
Speaker 2: And now I know the management of mental health issues
37:11
Speaker 2: like this is mainly state governments, but this is a
37:14
Speaker 2: big national health issue and these incidents in Sydney come
37:17
Speaker 2: on the back of course of that shocking stabbing at
37:20
Speaker 2: Bondi Junction some years ago with seven people killed. We
37:24
Speaker 2: have a bit of a national crisis, don't we when
37:26
Speaker 2: it comes to managing mental health patients and the risks
37:30
Speaker 2: that poses to the rest of the community.
37:35
Speaker 25: Look absolutely, Chris, and I think you know we can't
37:37
Speaker 25: keep on waking up to the stories that we've seen
37:40
Speaker 25: constantly where people with serious and chronic mental health conditions
37:46
Speaker 25: are not getting the treatment that they need and as
37:49
Speaker 25: a result of that, the Australian community isn't safe. And
37:53
Speaker 25: you know, quite frankly, I think the federal government has
37:55
Speaker 25: dropped the ball on mental health. We know that we're
37:57
Speaker 25: seeing an incredible rise in particularly more complex and chronic
38:01
Speaker 25: mental health conditions, and you know, we've seen this government,
38:05
Speaker 25: you know, cut mental health supports in half. We've seen
38:08
Speaker 25: them abolish the Mental Health Commission, We've seen them cut
38:11
Speaker 25: funding to the National Suicide Prevention Strategy. I mean, quite frankly,
38:15
Speaker 25: unless we actually are going to address this as a serious,
38:18
Speaker 25: serious issue in a national perspective, we can't keep on
38:22
Speaker 25: allowing the ad hoc responses that we're seeing. I mean,
38:25
Speaker 25: quite rightly, Chris min should be investigating the situation about
38:29
Speaker 25: these two people that have escaped from this same hospital,
38:32
Speaker 25: but that's too late. We need to be actually looking
38:36
Speaker 25: at the systemic problems that exist within our system so
38:39
Speaker 25: that they don't this doesn't happen in the first place,
38:41
Speaker 25: because you know, Australians, we've got the right to feel
38:43
Speaker 25: safe in Australia and you know, we have got so
38:47
Speaker 25: many areas where I think Australians aren't sing.
38:49
Speaker 2: It's unthinkable, it's so dangerous, it's costing lives needlessly. While
38:54
Speaker 2: I've got you there and Russell, I just wanting to
38:56
Speaker 2: get your thoughts. We talked about cost of living at
38:58
Speaker 2: the top of the program, health insurance a.
39:01
Speaker 3: Huge jump again.
39:02
Speaker 2: This is just going to push more people back onto
39:05
Speaker 2: the public system, isn't it if they can't afford private
39:07
Speaker 2: health insurance.
39:09
Speaker 25: Look absolutely, fifteen million Australians choose to take out private
39:14
Speaker 25: health insurance and many of them are questioning the affordability
39:18
Speaker 25: of that after this incredible price hike, the largest hike
39:22
Speaker 25: in premium costs in nearly a decade. And all it
39:26
Speaker 25: will do is take people out of the private system
39:28
Speaker 25: put them into the public system. And we already know
39:31
Speaker 25: that our public system is under incredible pressure. We're seeing
39:34
Speaker 25: ramping at the worst it's ever been. We're seeing elective
39:37
Speaker 25: surgery weight lists blow out. We know older Australians are
39:41
Speaker 25: stuck in hospital beds because of the lack of access
39:43
Speaker 25: to residential care or home care in the age care system.
39:47
Speaker 25: I mean, this is a crisis that is hurtling towards
39:49
Speaker 25: us at a rate of knots and the government just
39:52
Speaker 25: doesn't seem to be either prepared or able to do
39:54
Speaker 25: anything about it.
39:56
Speaker 2: And Rustin thanks so much for joining us, and Rustin
39:58
Speaker 2: joining us there from Adelai, I want to talk sport.
40:01
Speaker 3: With Robbo in a second.
40:02
Speaker 2: And Adelaide's very much in the news there because it's
40:05
Speaker 2: just pinched the Moto GP from Victoria. Here's the South
40:09
Speaker 2: Australian Premier, Peter malinowskis.
40:12
Speaker 26: These gentlemen will be riding at over three hundred and
40:16
Speaker 26: fortykmeters an hour, racing on the streets of Adelaide, and
40:21
Speaker 26: six hundred plus million people are going to be watching
40:24
Speaker 26: because it'll.
40:25
Speaker 3: Be impossible not to.
40:27
Speaker 26: This demands the international intention of the world on a city,
40:31
Speaker 26: in a state that's going somewhere.
40:34
Speaker 3: Let's go to Mark Robinson in Victoria.
40:37
Speaker 2: Robbo, look, there's a lot of politics in this is
40:39
Speaker 2: on the eve of an election. Be stolen this great
40:42
Speaker 2: event from Victoria, you know, decades after Victoria stole the
40:47
Speaker 2: Formula One Grand Prix from Adelaide.
40:49
Speaker 3: But I just can't get my head around.
40:52
Speaker 2: Those motorcycles at those speeds on a street circuit.
40:57
Speaker 27: No, no, it's going to be interesting at that.
41:00
Speaker 28: For a second, mate, I live on the Beast Coast.
41:04
Speaker 28: I lived twenty five minutes from Phillip Island, and I
41:07
Speaker 28: can tell you right now the people down here are
41:10
Speaker 28: just so angry at this because it's such a bonanza
41:14
Speaker 28: for the shire. Money that comes into the local restaurants.
41:18
Speaker 27: The b and bs.
41:19
Speaker 28: It goes for three or four days, people might stay
41:22
Speaker 28: a week. And you got me on to talk about
41:25
Speaker 28: sport one day, getting me on to talk about bloody politics.
41:29
Speaker 3: This state, this state, Oh your hardest.
41:33
Speaker 28: This state is dying. And it's just every week it
41:37
Speaker 28: is just one complete and out of a mauck up.
41:41
Speaker 28: And I said, muck up after another.
41:44
Speaker 27: We've got corruption, We've got losing great sporting events, we've
41:48
Speaker 27: got smily, got a deaded out premier, We've got the
41:51
Speaker 27: Labor Party and cannot possibly get back into this state.
41:55
Speaker 27: And then just by by the way, we've lost.
41:57
Speaker 28: The Phillip Island Grand Prix, which is a world class event.
42:01
Speaker 28: I mean, I know they're not entirely to blame, but
42:04
Speaker 28: God on mighty, this state is taking hit after hit
42:08
Speaker 28: after hit.
42:10
Speaker 2: It's incredible, mate, Robo fantastic mate. I think you've expressed
42:15
Speaker 2: the sport and politics involved in there in this one brilliantly.
42:19
Speaker 3: I want to get you on the cricket though.
42:21
Speaker 2: Australia out of the T twenty World Cup.
42:24
Speaker 3: I can't believe that. You know, they gave in and
42:28
Speaker 3: at the last moment.
42:29
Speaker 2: Called Steve Smith over there when he should have been
42:31
Speaker 2: in the squad to start with, and then they didn't
42:33
Speaker 2: even play him.
42:35
Speaker 28: I saw that and Mark Wall went nuts again. He
42:38
Speaker 28: was the first one on this when he said on
42:41
Speaker 28: Fox Cricket he's got to go, he's got to go,
42:44
Speaker 28: and they fly him.
42:44
Speaker 9: Over and he didn't even play.
42:47
Speaker 27: I don't know what the excuses are.
42:49
Speaker 3: They'll roll them.
42:50
Speaker 9: Ound losing the Zimbabe. We were a world class team.
42:53
Speaker 28: I don't think they are. We all know, and then
42:54
Speaker 28: I would have worked world class team. They'll have I'll
42:57
Speaker 28: tell you what.
42:58
Speaker 27: The Victorian government won't have a real commission.
43:01
Speaker 28: Into the corruption, but I bet you Cricket Australia will
43:04
Speaker 28: have an investigation in what went wrong at the twenty twenty.
43:09
Speaker 3: Spot on spot On.
43:11
Speaker 2: We are right out of time this week, going to
43:12
Speaker 2: have more time for you next week, Robbo, because we
43:14
Speaker 2: want to get into some footy and maybe pick your
43:16
Speaker 2: brains a bit more about Victorian politics. Mark Robinson there
43:20
Speaker 2: alive from Victoria, sharing his thoughts on the world of
43:24
Speaker 2: universe and everything. We've got to get to a break.
43:25
Speaker 2: On the other side, we got Tim and Mark. One
43:27
Speaker 2: of the things we're talking to them about is that
43:29
Speaker 2: that reporter who was tired and emotional last night, she's
43:32
Speaker 2: made in a bit of an apology. Let's catch up
43:40
Speaker 2: with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson as we do every Thursday.
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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, gentlemen. I were down there.
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Speaker 3: What Tim. I just want to go to Mark first because.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about this Pauline controversy.
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Speaker 3: No good Muslims made.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a line you would have put in
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Speaker 2: one of your cartoons.
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Speaker 3: You would have just worked shot that one a bit.
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Speaker 29: Yeah, Look, that is one that's you know, when I
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Speaker 29: write a lot of Pauline's dialogue in scripts, I very
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Speaker 29: carefully try and manufacture the right way to go about it.
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Speaker 29: But that's what I honestly, that's what I love about
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Speaker 29: Pauline Hanson, and I've seen it in action, is that
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Speaker 29: it just comes out straight out how she thinks it,
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Speaker 29: and there's no two ways about it. But it's one
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Speaker 29: of those things that have My phone has just been
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Speaker 29: everyone's been texting, has gone.
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Speaker 3: Did you see this? Did you see this?
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Speaker 29: But ultimately, in classic Pauline Hanson fashion, it started a conversation.
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Speaker 29: It started we're now able to talk. She's got the
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Speaker 29: courage to be disliked and to say these things. That's
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Speaker 29: opened up a dialogue for people like me who are
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Speaker 29: more cowardly to be able to talk about, well, what
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Speaker 29: qualifies as a good Muslim and when does it cross
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Speaker 29: the line and become dangerous and when does it become
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Speaker 29: extremist Islam?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the difference there? And that's an.
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Speaker 29: Important conversation to have. So that's the solace there.
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Speaker 3: She knows she's gone too far.
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Speaker 2: But as we can see from this clip when she
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Speaker 2: spoke to me last night, she's not going to give
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Speaker 2: a wholehearted apology.
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Speaker 11: I'm straight at my case with it, and I said,
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Speaker 11: if I've in found the people on what my beliefs
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Speaker 11: are and they're a Muslim, then I do apologize to
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Speaker 11: those people if I have found them.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty clever, tim.
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Speaker 2: A bit of an apology there for anyone who's taken
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Speaker 2: offense but not backing down for all those who are
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Speaker 2: cheering her on.
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Speaker 30: Absolutely, I mean Paul and Hansom was factually wrong. There
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Speaker 30: are good Muslims, it's not a universal thing. But at
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Speaker 30: the same time, there are a huge amount, a huge
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Speaker 30: number of models who are either are extremists or who
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Speaker 30: are inclined to sympathy to extremists. I think maybe in
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Speaker 30: the future she should maybe change course and criticize Jews,
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Speaker 30: because then all that happens is you get if you
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Speaker 30: get invited.
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Speaker 2: To exactly if she slams your Jews, she'd get a
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Speaker 2: should get her own show on.
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Speaker 3: The APC, and she'd do the writers Festival circuit. That
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Speaker 3: is a fair point.
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Speaker 2: Now, I want to go to something someone else who's
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Speaker 2: had a bad week, but in a much more lighthearted way.
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Speaker 2: He's outstarted.
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Speaker 31: But literally, like the price of coffee over here is
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Speaker 31: actually fine, it's more the price of coffee in the
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Speaker 31: US that we are going to have to get used to.
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Speaker 31: I'm not sure that the Iguanas. Where are we going
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Speaker 31: with that one?
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Speaker 3: But anyway, that's Danika Mason.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what, we could do a good show
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Speaker 2: if you if we all did a late night version
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Speaker 2: of that.
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Speaker 3: But here she was this morning mopping up.
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Speaker 31: Look, I totally misjudged a situation. I shouldn't have had
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Speaker 31: a drink, and especially in these conditions it's cold, we've
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Speaker 31: got altitude, and not having had dinner probably didn't help
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Speaker 31: as well.
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Speaker 3: It looks like she's got to keep her job. Tim.
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Speaker 3: Thank god she's not an airline pilot.
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Speaker 30: Absolutely, I think I think all of us, all of
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Speaker 30: us watching and all of us participating in this, should
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Speaker 30: adopt as policy in future. Anytime we find ourselves in
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Speaker 30: a situation like that, perhaps arriving at home a little
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Speaker 30: late from an event, just say, I don't know what
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Speaker 30: it is about the iguanas, it just sounds like it's
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Speaker 30: going to work for me.
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Speaker 3: Sorry I'm late, but you know we missed you last week. Mark,
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Speaker 3: and Bob Catter was putting out this call.
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Speaker 32: Hell, look, we're looking for a cartoonist. He can draw
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Speaker 32: on me like like I am there something like that? Please,
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Speaker 32: And I mean there's a few quid in this right,
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Speaker 32: cart turners bring us up, Please contact.
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Speaker 3: Us, Bob Catter after a car turnist? Mark, are you
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Speaker 3: going to apply?
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Speaker 15: Wait?
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Speaker 33: He's got my number?
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Speaker 3: But what are you doing?
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Speaker 20: To me.
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Speaker 9: I can do the voice.
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Speaker 23: I can do everything for you.
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Speaker 3: I can make a move. What are you talking about?
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Speaker 9: Job's lost it?
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Speaker 3: What the hell is going on here?
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Speaker 12: This is? This is?
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Speaker 29: I'm so I could not have done more of a
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Speaker 29: more flattering cartoon in that in that series, He's the
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Speaker 29: only one we were flattering to. To be honest, I
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Speaker 29: could not be any more flattering.
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Speaker 33: I'm heartbroken.
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Speaker 3: But what are you doing to me?
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Speaker 2: Let me shamelessly ask you to do his voice for
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Speaker 2: us before we finish.
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Speaker 33: Oh, you know, come on for a cartoonist. He's looking
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Speaker 33: for a kid, a cartooner. He called him a cartooner.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joinous market.
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Speaker 2: We'll catch you next week, and we'll leave Mark to
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Speaker 2: follow up with Bob Catter.
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Speaker 3: He's been overlooked. We'll see you next week. Here's Peter