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Ep. 285: Tying Flies with Tucker Carlson · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
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  Speaker 1: everybody joined today very special guest Tucker Carlson, host of
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  Speaker 1: Fox News Channels, Tucker Carlson Tonight this is where it
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  Speaker 1: gets confusing, and host of Fox Nations Tucker Carlson Today
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  Speaker 1: and Tucker Carlson Originals, which got Crian wondering, Um, since
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  Speaker 1: Tonight is encapsulated in Today, what's the different scene in
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  Speaker 1: two shows? You know, I haven't need to I haven't
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  Speaker 1: looked at my contract, and no other is. There is
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  Speaker 1: a distinction, but it's a lot of talking in both.
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  Speaker 1: Hit me with a bunch of superlatives you have, like
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  Speaker 1: you're the you're the most watched cable news commentator, cable
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  Speaker 1: news newscaster, having been this is my year doing this,
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  Speaker 1: and having been the least watched cable news commentator. I
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  Speaker 1: see everything is kind of the Buddhist wheel of life,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm on one end of it at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: doubtless will be on the other end. You know you
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  Speaker 1: have it on the other end. You know you would
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  Speaker 1: know this because I can't say that we met but
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  Speaker 1: you um uh I was in your presence one time
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  Speaker 1: because years ago uh t r c P. Yes, theater
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  Speaker 1: rules about conservation partnership. They do this Capitol Awards dinner
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  Speaker 1: where they give the usually honor, they honor someone from
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  Speaker 1: each side of the aisle. Yes, so the honor Republican
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  Speaker 1: and a Democrat, and then usually someone from the House,
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  Speaker 1: usually from someone from the Senate, sometimes too governors. And
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  Speaker 1: you gave some opening remarks. You might have noticed a
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  Speaker 1: young man in the audience. So I like them, and
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  Speaker 1: I like try to unlimited there. I mean, I lived
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  Speaker 1: in Washington for a long time and I dealt with
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Obviously I care about conservation and the land
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  Speaker 1: and all that, and I but I only trust the
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  Speaker 1: groups with sportsman in um. I mean, if you can't
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  Speaker 1: tell a deciduous from a conifer, if you can't like
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  Speaker 1: identify fish species, like you're you're faking it. And those
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  Speaker 1: guys are for real and they fish and they shoot
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  Speaker 1: in and I like that. You have a conversation. There
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of there are a lot of fake
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  Speaker 1: groups out there. Whoa uh you know, I I've always
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  Speaker 1: only been focused on the sportsman ones. They're the best
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  Speaker 1: because they were talking the same language, because they're rooted
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  Speaker 1: in physical reality, you know, saving the environment. Okay, what environment?
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  Speaker 1: And how are you saving it? And how is it improving?
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  Speaker 1: You know, so if you can go to it, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. It's not it's a non ideal logical measure,
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  Speaker 1: but like, tell me what you're doing with the money.
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  Speaker 1: And and that's one of the reasons I like to you.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, well, okay, there's a stream near my house
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  Speaker 1: that they improved. How did they improve it? They you know,
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  Speaker 1: they put more cover. Do you know? They put some
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  Speaker 1: pools in. Like that's a good thing. The fish like it.
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  Speaker 1: I like it, you know, I'm happy to give money
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  Speaker 1: to them. Um anyway, So but the other day we
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  Speaker 1: did a tu who was more involved than that. It
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  Speaker 1: was us, our company, trot I think Trotten Limited did
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  Speaker 1: it right, the river clean up the Gallatin County chapter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's two companies that are base here, SIMS, like we're
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  Speaker 1: based here. SIMS is based here. The Waiter company. But
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  Speaker 1: then tu put on a basically just cleaning trash out
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  Speaker 1: of the lower. If you're taking tires out of the stream,
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  Speaker 1: I'm on your side. You know, I've mentioned a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of times. But do you remember the humorist m Patrick McManus,
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  Speaker 1: he's the right like humor fishing pieces. Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 1: He had a piece where he explained that the difference
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  Speaker 1: between a creek and a creek is that a creek
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  Speaker 1: has a tire in it. Truck tires all the time. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: So audio books sales update um Man with our camp
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  Speaker 1: Fire Metiators camp Fire Stories, Close Calls came out on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: By Tuesday night, it was number one on Apple for audiobooks.
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  Speaker 1: It was bounced between two and four on Audible, number
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  Speaker 1: two and number four. We're like neck and neck with
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  Speaker 1: all uh, alright, alright, Matthew Connaughey's book and neck and
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  Speaker 1: Neck with one of the political tell alls that's out
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  Speaker 1: right now. So that books kicking ask and I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you that's all too. Uh. That's all you listeners that
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  Speaker 1: did that for us, um, because we have there was
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  Speaker 1: no it's an audio original, so there's no like physical book, right, Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's no h it's just you guys did that. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for the support, because it wasn't from there's no like
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  Speaker 1: media channel that was supporting us. We just like made it,
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  Speaker 1: did it, and it launched up and became the number
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  Speaker 1: one book on Apple for audio that day out of
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  Speaker 1: the gate. So thanks to everyone listening man, heartfelt appreciation.
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  Speaker 1: And then also, you guys really made my di because
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  Speaker 1: we had ore. We finally had the our Wilderness Skills
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  Speaker 1: um and Survival book made the New York Times bestseller
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  Speaker 1: list thanks to you guys. There's no other way to
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  Speaker 1: there's no other way to account for it, which I
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  Speaker 1: actually read. Yeah, it's great, It was great, So appreciate
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  Speaker 1: the help everybody out there. Uh here's I added this
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  Speaker 1: one cran, you know, I added a note New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: will now have no bear season at all. Um, it
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  Speaker 1: was that you weren't gonna be able to do it
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  Speaker 1: one on like state Land. Now you can't do it
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  Speaker 1: at all. And like they have a they have a
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  Speaker 1: management plan, but everyody's gotta sign off on the management plan,
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  Speaker 1: so they just are acting like they just haven't read
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  Speaker 1: the management plan. So now like past a certain deadline,
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  Speaker 1: no one actually said there can't be a bear season,
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  Speaker 1: but the opponents of the bear season just stalled furthering
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  Speaker 1: the management plan and like, haven't read it the deadline hit.
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  Speaker 1: Now that the deadline hit, it's too late in the year. Huh.
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  Speaker 1: If you live in New Jersey, gotta get a brand
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  Speaker 1: new governor. Phil Murphy campaigned is like ending the bear
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  Speaker 1: That was like a campaign promise to end bear hunting?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a population conservation argument to be made for
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  Speaker 1: the decision? New Jersey has the highest density of black
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  Speaker 1: bears in the They ate a kid from Regers a
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  Speaker 1: few years ago. Bears. It takes a lot for a
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  Speaker 1: black bear to eat someone. There have to be a lot.
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  Speaker 1: What they would do, what they would do that was
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  Speaker 1: stupid in my view, is when you hunt bears in
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey and you get a bear, you have to
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  Speaker 1: go to the check station. Okay, but they just have
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  Speaker 1: check stations out in public, like in a parking lot
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  Speaker 1: off the side of the road, and they publicize it here.
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  Speaker 1: When you get a bear, you very you go and
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  Speaker 1: you take it to what would make sense. You go
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  Speaker 1: to the Fishing Game office and you meet with a
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  Speaker 1: biologist and you go to a place a secure location whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Not secure, but it's not. It's like they don't like
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  Speaker 1: call the press to tell him you're coming down with
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  Speaker 1: the bear. They pull a tooth to get the biometric data,
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  Speaker 1: and you register the bear here they have like they
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  Speaker 1: were like on Saturday at noon, we'll be registering bears
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  Speaker 1: at this public pull out and so everybody shows up
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  Speaker 1: there and has like a connection. They do that what
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  Speaker 1: they did that with white tails too. I remember shooting
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  Speaker 1: deer in New Jersey and taking it down to the
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  Speaker 1: local Delhi and you show a guy and you hand
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  Speaker 1: you a sight. He's tag over the ham. It's just
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a site he's tag. Yeah. They would
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  Speaker 1: give you a red like tag that you would then
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  Speaker 1: clip on the deer after you checked it in. That's
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  Speaker 1: what they do in main. No sids is the international
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  Speaker 1: What the hell side he's call's that's right, not side,
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  Speaker 1: But it's like that same same sort of tag, like
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  Speaker 1: the metal tag E clip on. Uh. Murphy's one of
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  Speaker 1: those dudes that also as well. He's one of those
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  Speaker 1: dudes that during his state's lockdown, he had the really
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  Speaker 1: thing where someone made a very embarrassing video where he's
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  Speaker 1: out at a restaurant with everybody and then this woman
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  Speaker 1: comes off to him who's making the video, and she goes, Murphy,
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  Speaker 1: you're such a dick. I thought she was a bear hunter,
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  Speaker 1: but she was just pissed about the I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important to point out, though, that that the governor doesn't
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  Speaker 1: care about bears. He's not doing this on behalf of bears.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing it on behalf of the segment of the
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  Speaker 1: population that cares about bears, and he wants that vote.
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  Speaker 1: This person not out saving bears. Another states one of
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  Speaker 1: the like statistically crazy things, UH that that you're kind
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  Speaker 1: of glossed over is the student. The record student that
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  Speaker 1: was eaten was in a group of hikers. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: an individual is one thing. A group being accosted by
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  Speaker 1: a bear and an individual being taken out of that
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  Speaker 1: group puts it into a wholly another statistical category. Black bear.
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  Speaker 1: Has that ever happened before? I've never heard it, not
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  Speaker 1: to my knowledge. It's probably some crazy bear. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it is a wild deal with that that
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  Speaker 1: bear consumed part of that student and because of that,
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  Speaker 1: he was protecting his cash. And the UH has a
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  Speaker 1: DNR and in New Jersey, I can't think of what
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  Speaker 1: it is I say, um, the State Fish and Wildlife
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  Speaker 1: agency that always covers you. Right, you look like you
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  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Yeh uh oh. We got
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  Speaker 1: a quick book report, so we have a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: times talked, but we're trying to explain, like, what's up
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  Speaker 1: with um? This became of interest, what's up with us?
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  Speaker 1: What what we used to call silencers but have been
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  Speaker 1: rebranded as suppressors. And I was explaining how when I
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  Speaker 1: first got a suppressor, I turned in my paperwork and
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  Speaker 1: it took fourteen months, and then I thought something had changed.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I don't know what changed, but it felt
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  Speaker 1: like something changed. And then someone starts talking about I'm
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  Speaker 1: holding in my hand what's called Yeah, this is some listen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm all for it, but this is some BS. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I love it, but it's b It's like, well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: holding my hand a suppressor that doesn't have the whole
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  Speaker 1: drilled in it, right, which prompted to me that there
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  Speaker 1: was a remember a garage band And when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid in Michigan, there was a garage band that
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  Speaker 1: sold records and no hole in it and the record
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  Speaker 1: was called Drill your Own Hole. It's like the album
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  Speaker 1: it was marked, but you have to drill your own hole.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a drill your own hole and similarly
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  Speaker 1: take it over because Garret's gonna explain this whole world
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  Speaker 1: does Yeah, I was gonna say, if you drilled your
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  Speaker 1: own hole in the wrong spot, it'd probably wrecked the
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  Speaker 1: album and you'd probably have a like an adverse effect
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  Speaker 1: on your suppressor there if you just drilled it off
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  Speaker 1: to the side. Yeah, so that that company, Actually this
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  Speaker 1: is yours, that's mine. Yeah, so it doesn't have a
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  Speaker 1: hole in the end of it. When they send you
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  Speaker 1: your solvent trap, uh, they send you a drill bit
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  Speaker 1: and a guide for your drill bit just in case,
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  Speaker 1: just in case he might, you know, want to turn
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  Speaker 1: into a suppressor. Walk us through the walk us through
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  Speaker 1: all the legs. Yeah. So the legal like like you
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  Speaker 1: laid out with the regular suppressor side. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty long but straightforward process where you have to
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  Speaker 1: file for to get your own suppressor. Right, this is
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  Speaker 1: solvent traps are just another form of a homemade suppressor.
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  Speaker 1: So people have been doing it, like with oil filters, right,
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  Speaker 1: they buy an oil filter, plug a hole in the
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  Speaker 1: end of it, and it's a suppressor. Because really a
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  Speaker 1: suppressor is just like a like a muffler on a car.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's maximum suppressors. They are pretty well, they were
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  Speaker 1: the first ones. Like Theodore Roosevelt ran a suppressor on
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  Speaker 1: his gun right there, right, Yeah, did you just learn
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  Speaker 1: that in your little research session or did you already
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  Speaker 1: know that? Oh Man NiFi was on the spot. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: he was, he was all about it. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: Cheddy Roosevelt rano suppressor lever action. Yeah, what was the chamber? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, I did suppressor on a lever gun. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think they had to have just like welded it
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  Speaker 1: on there. There's no other way to do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so no, he did on several guns. But the biggest
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  Speaker 1: thing is so homemade suppressors have been around for a while.
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  Speaker 1: And so what the a t F did is they
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  Speaker 1: established this like it's a form one. So it's an
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  Speaker 1: e form that you can fill out that says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I want to build a suppressor um and you have
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  Speaker 1: to get permission to build one. That's why there's not
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  Speaker 1: a whole drilled in the end of that one is
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  Speaker 1: I haven't got permission yet. And also you don't drill
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  Speaker 1: the whole till they say, you can drill the hole exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So the thing that's attractive about this that makes a
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  Speaker 1: hell of a lot more sense. Now, what's attractive about
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  Speaker 1: this is like your experience with fourteen months, which is
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  Speaker 1: a little different now, like it's more like seven to
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  Speaker 1: eight months. Yeah, well, Silence are Central, they're doing them
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  Speaker 1: in twelve weeks. Eight twelve weeks or no, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think so. I feel like somebody kind of maybe misspoke
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  Speaker 1: when they said that, but it's still like seven to
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  Speaker 1: eight months. The nice thing about Silence are Central, it's
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  Speaker 1: different is like you saw it, you can go up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, buy your suppressor, fill out a form, and
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  Speaker 1: then they take it from there and you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to do anything, Like you don't have to worry about
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  Speaker 1: how to fill out all the other paperwork. They just
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  Speaker 1: auto populated all and then they send it because they
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  Speaker 1: have a FFL in every state, they just send it
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  Speaker 1: directly to your house. Like there's no checkout process right
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  Speaker 1: like when it's approved, it goes right to your house
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  Speaker 1: and they do the fingerprinting. So like I noticed that
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  Speaker 1: they're at the Sturgist Bike Rally. At the Sturgist Bike Rally,
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  Speaker 1: they can fingerprint you. Yeah, which normally dudes. I think
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  Speaker 1: that dudes that sturges aren't looking to get fingerprinted. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, certainly not having sentence, but many have been before.
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  Speaker 1: This is the second time I got fingered. Just go
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  Speaker 1: down to the county jail. They have them for me.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, they should be on file broum. But the
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  Speaker 1: attractive thing with homemade suppressors or buying a solvent trap
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  Speaker 1: is you can realize explain what a solvent trap is,
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  Speaker 1: all right, yeah, because nobody can see it that was
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  Speaker 1: being passed around. A solvent trap is for for all
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  Speaker 1: intensive purposes. It's a suppressor that doesn't have the handhole
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  Speaker 1: drilled in. Yeah, why would one. When you're cleaning your gun, right,
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  Speaker 1: you can push patches through your gun and it catches
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  Speaker 1: the solvent in the patches, so it doesn't. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've actually pushed solvent into that solvent trap
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  Speaker 1: just because that's why I bought it. Do you think that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: But here, let me ask you this. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: that anyone out there on the planet has um use
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  Speaker 1: the solvent trap? Just a trap? Solvent? Originally? Yes, like
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  Speaker 1: it was a thing. They looked a lot different than
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  Speaker 1: this right, it was. It was not a undrilled suppressor
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  Speaker 1: when it originally came out. Use that for a suppressor
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  Speaker 1: to but a Charman permit. So these solvent traps where
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  Speaker 1: they're attractive is like they're pretty much a suppressor without
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  Speaker 1: a whole drilled in the end of it and you
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  Speaker 1: can extrapulate from there. But what did that one cost you?
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  Speaker 1: So that was seven bucks? So they charge in the
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  Speaker 1: suppressor fees. Yeah, if you go to the same site,
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  Speaker 1: it's also seven hundred bucks for a suppressor, right, so
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  Speaker 1: there's the same cost. You'll notice my name and there's
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  Speaker 1: some other numbers are engraved on that and uh, put
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  Speaker 1: your glasses on. But the reason for it is if
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  Speaker 1: you buy a solvent trap, a lot of companies just
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  Speaker 1: you know, thinking maybe you want people to be able
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  Speaker 1: to find it in case you lose it, um ask
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  Speaker 1: if you want certain things engraved on the side of it.
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  Speaker 1: And the reasoning for that is when you turn a
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  Speaker 1: solvent trap into a suppressor, when you're filming filling out
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  Speaker 1: your e form, your form one, they require you to
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  Speaker 1: state your name, where it's manufactured, the serial number, and
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  Speaker 1: I think like the caliber, and they said it has
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  Speaker 1: to be printed on your suppressor that you're making. So
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  Speaker 1: lot of these companies, when they send you a solvent trap,
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  Speaker 1: they'll just ask you what you're putting on your form one,
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  Speaker 1: just in case you decided to turn, just in case
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  Speaker 1: you want to drill a hole. Um. Now, the attractive
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  Speaker 1: thing about it is if you're willing to go through
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  Speaker 1: like those steps. Um, A lot of times you're approved
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  Speaker 1: in sixty days, sometimes less, sometimes more like six weeks.
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  Speaker 1: You can have that now I screwed my then just
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  Speaker 1: as legal. The main difference is that it's electronics. So
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  Speaker 1: the reasoning that a regular suppressor takes so long is
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  Speaker 1: you send in all this paperwork to the A T. F. Right,
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  Speaker 1: and then they have to file it, and then they're
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  Speaker 1: checking on you and they're checking on the manufacturer. What's
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  Speaker 1: frustrating about is after all that time, when you send
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  Speaker 1: in your paperwork, the system that they check is the
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  Speaker 1: same system that when you go to go get a firearm. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So like a lot of knicks, right, yeah, the Knick system. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So like a lot of countries when they sell you
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  Speaker 1: fire up. Not a lot, but there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: European countries when they send sell you a firearm, like
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  Speaker 1: you can buy it with a suppressor on it, because
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  Speaker 1: they're like, well, if we checked you out for a
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  Speaker 1: firearm and you don't have a you know, felonies or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that, why couldn't you have a suppressor. And
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  Speaker 1: so that's why I like the the whole solvent trap
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  Speaker 1: thing is pretty cool if you're willing to go through
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  Speaker 1: those steps right and and fill out an e form
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, six weeks usually you can have a suppressor.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So are you waiting on um? Yeah, John Law until
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you can drill your hole. Yeah, I screwed up the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: first process they send you. They basically send you a
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: confirmation email that says, hey, sign this and send in
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: your fingerprints. Um. And I didn't see that. And then
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you have thirty days to print it off and send
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it back. And I did it at thirty five. And
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: then I called him and pleaded with them, and they're like,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: no start over. But yeah, other than that, it would
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: have been drilled by Now tell everybody about how you
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: we're honored with Employee of the Month. You're a meta.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I was. Yeah. It's also the first time on the
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: podcast Garrett Long Second Ladies and gent Garrett Long. Yeah,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I was at the feel doesn't know what you do? Yeah,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: just for the audience, I guess. I guess my job
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: is to make sure that people listen to the podcast. Um,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: so I'm the marketing director here. But yeah, I was
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: on it when I was at Cheap Foundation. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't remember. But you didn't work for us then, No,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't work for you. Um, but that was pretty cool.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: We were kind of upset actually because we tried to
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: find like this specific brand of wild cheap whiskey to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: bring in and then we asked you after the podcast
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: if you want to have a drink, and you're like, oh,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I don't drink anymore. And then it was like a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: couple of months later, you were drinking like a beer
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: in one of the episodes. We're like, oh, man, wrong
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: brand of whiskey. Well, no, it's just I've I bounced
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: around on drinking and drinking, like I like, I drank
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: last night, but I still don't drink right right? Do
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? I do feel like though, Yeah,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you were there for it was awkward last night. Yeah,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: what did I say to the waitress? Yeah, for half
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a shot of vodka in your body. She was very
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: she didn't really know. Well, no, here's the problem. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: didn't know they're normal. Pore is a two ounce poor.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So I said I want half the amount, and so
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: she goes so an ounce. I'm like, no, half the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: amount she goes was normally too. I'm like, well, I
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: want a quarter a quarter of the normal amount, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Brody would like my give my left over to Brody.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: She's very accommodating. She also looked very confused. I do
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: think we need to go back, though, Steve. This employee
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: of the month thing, yeah, we kind of glossed over that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I was very honored you want to spend I feel
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: like you kind of mentioned it. And I don't know
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: if the listeners are like I grasped that I got
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: employed in a month. He got it, and and he
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: does Everything he does is great. But it was kind
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of like it was sort of a looking back on
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, Garrett, when everything got shut down, the governor closed,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, close the whole state. You
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: weren't supposed to go anywhere. Garrett fearlessly just drove all
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: over in his truck. He he became like ups meal
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Delivery Quarantine Services if you had a direct exposure and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: had to hold up, Garrett would come bringing your stuff.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You look out your window and see him leaving stuff
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: on your doorstep selflessly. Wow. Yeah, I actually didn't think
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go into it that much, but I appreciate it. Well. Listen,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, if there's a thing I like about people, um,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I like the people who will only people who will
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: shovel ship and not complain about it. And you were
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: ship shoveling. Yeah, during the pandemic. He also woke up
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: at the butt crack the other day to take Samantha
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Nyce shooting. So whenever you're on this podcast, no, no
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Spencer's experience, he usually hates the exact opposite. Definitely not
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Phil's experience. We'll get you next time. Next time we'll
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: say some bad stuff about you. Oh cran, can you
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: do the quick thing about the town? Oh okay, Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So a couple of episodes ago, we talked about dear
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: vehicle collision study where wolves and wolves saving lives possibly
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: was kind of all part of that. Yeah, we weren't.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: We weren't quite sure about that, but in any case,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: there were a number of The study was done in Wisconsin,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and uh, I really butchered the pronunciation of one county
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. The correct pronunciation is Waka Shaw. Dozens of
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: people wrote in to correct me on that, so we
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: issued a correction a current NFL play, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: what did what did you call it? Waukesha? Yeah, and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: someone who lives in Wisconsin with family and Wauka Shaw
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: wrote that he was just absolutely stunned that the one
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: thing that we had missed in our correction was that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Waukashaw is where the film Grumpy Old Men has had
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: no idea. No, I don't think any. I mean, I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: didn't know that until when we talked about that film
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, which brought up you need to go
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: go to Instagram, go to my instagram probably cals to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: what's your scale? Cols is like old cal four or six.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Mine's very tricky. It's at Stephen Ronella. Go there and
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you'll see. On April one, we had a we didn't
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: what the French would calling homage. It's brilliant to grumpy
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: old men called grumpy middle aged men. One of the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: most ruthless fight scenes you'll ever see wasn't It wasn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a Wabby Shaw on the I thought it was Wabble
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Show in the movie. Yeah it is. I thought, Oh,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: is this whole thing wrong? Do we need to issue
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: another correction. It's gonna go the way of those when
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you get hair growing on your eyeball. How we quit
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: talking about that. It's gonna go Walker Shaw is going
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: away of that. Um anyway, go check that out. It's
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the one of the funniest videos we put out this year,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: real quick. And this is gonna tie into our next
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: talking point. So it's really slick. Um. Seth and I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: are fresh off well, I am fresh off a spear
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: fishing trip to Louisiana. I'm fresh off fishing trip to Louisiana. Seth,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: don't get in the water. I've told anybody this. I was,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I was rasing. I was like, Seth, he's not like.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: He doesn't like he loves the water, doesn't want to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: be in it. I love boats, he likes It's not
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: he likes the water. He likes boats. Uh. I kept
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: harrassing about why he wouldn't get in there and take
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a take a little shot or two with the spear gun,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and he clarified to me he likes to bring the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: fish to him, Yeah, that's right. I need to go
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like boats, I like rodding reels. Doesn't need to go
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: in there with them. But we were. This is the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: thing that I've been wanting to do for a long time.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: My god, it was fun. We were diving the oil rigs.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's hard to even explain, man, thousands
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of oil oil platforms to do all manner of things
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: out How many miles out there we go? I think
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: just over seventy. Yeah, we had a distinct advantage because
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: our buddies had just speared a our bodies were down
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: there to do. Um who they both been on the podcast,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Greg Fonts and Alex were no and you want to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: see some full circle, full circling. These two are featured
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: in the Close Calls the Mediator's Campfire Stories Close Calls edition.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: They're featured in the Close Calls with spear Fishing Close Calls.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Um hell's that saying about us? Seth? They were down
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: there doing something. Oh, they were there for a spear
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: fishing tournament. So they had already like beyond scouted for
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: two days. So we got the real gravy pickings because
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: we went on out of the Gulf, and they knew
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like that rig, that rig, that rig. When the Mississippi
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: flows out, it's got like a murky fresh water and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: freshwater lays on the salt water. So when you go
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: up to a rig, like you get out of the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: boat and swim up to a rig, you can't see
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: anything man Like you can hold your hand out and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: can't see your fingertips. In fact, you can't reload your
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: spear gun at the surface without moving it around to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: see what's going on, Like you can't see the other
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: end of the gun. But when you dive down from
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: three ft to fifteen ft, all of a sudden, it's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: like you like enter the blue water. Like it's just
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it's like someone pulling back the curtains. So you dive
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: down and you get through that muddy murk. And also
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it's like the whole world opens up unbelievable, unbelievable fish uh,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: which gives me to this point. These guys, you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you'll get we were we we went out one time,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: fire out to try chumming. So we're chumming. What was
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that fish we're chumming with? You remember not bunker, No,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I don't remember the name of it. Yeah,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I can't remember either. They used the word I wasn't
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: familiar with. I bet I would know it by a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: different name. They use a lot of the guys on
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: there use a lot of French words in it. That
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: all their ducks, the Cajuns, all their ducks that use
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the French word for the duck. Um. Sharks show up
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: like like a mofo when you're doing this, and these guys,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: when a shark comes in and he starts getting like
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: kind of aggressive, what's funny is they're very good at
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: reading the shark's mood and they'll go in and chase
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: him like they dived down and chase him off, dive
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: down and maybe like pokem or hit him in the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: nose to run him off, like you're running off a dog. Ah.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And we had a recent episode we do with Kimmy
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Werner and she talked about the same thing. And I
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: was remarking on her going down and confronting sharks, diving
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: down to him to confront him to get him to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: move away. And this guy was saying he was listening
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to Kimmy's hot tip about this, and he was surfing
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: at Dana Point California, and there was a great white
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that was hanging around there and he charged at it
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: with his surfboard and spooked it off. It's huge. Yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: gotta took Kimmy's advice, got aggressive on it. It left
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and never came back, so he says. But he also
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: mentions that he did not stay in the water. He
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: returned the shore immediately. I didn't read it that far. Yeah,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: So did the shark leave or did he leave a
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: little bit of both, but he did successfully charge the shark.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: The fin disappeared, never to be seen again. But his
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: vantage point from thereafter was from the shore looking out,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: not the surfboard looking down. He includes some beautiful photographs
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: of the shark. Gorgeous. I like that shark a lot. Okay,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: now turn the attention is our last thing before we
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: get to our guests. But this is this is sizeable, right.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Are we ready to move on? Spencer has been advocating
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: can I just tell him? Can we can just do
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you care if it's like kind of post modern feeling
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: where we talk about talking about it, take the lead,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: go ahead, you don't care. It's very it's postmodern, it's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, it's show businesses to thing called the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: fourth wall. Um, what you can imagine like whilet's stay
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: watching the sitcom, you can see what's happened ng on
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: three of the walls, right, like they come in the
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: husband wife get an argument that the kids say something sassy. Right,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you can see like three walls, but you never see
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the fourth wall. That's where the cameras so in show
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: business will say that we broke the fourth wall. We're
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: breaking the fourth wall. Spencer has been advocating heavily that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: we need to have a trivia, a trivia element, an
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: occasional trivial trivia element to the show. Um, and I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: think it's got a lot of legs, and I see
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: our path toward of board game. There's a lot of
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: writing on this. If Spencer does, if he's good, that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: he has a bright future. These are trivia questions curated
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: by me. You're not gonna find them anywhere else. Not
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: trivia questions you're gonna get in trivial Pursuit or on
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Jeopardy Where your neighborhood bar and grill. This is exclusive
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to the Mediator podcast, but it's informed by audience correct,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: It's informed by things that people want to know these
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: questions are born out of meat eaters for verticals. Tell
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: what they are Steve hunting, fishing, wild foods, and conservation.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: That's right. And we have ten questions and there is
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a prize, so we have steaks, So no cheating off,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Tucker cal when when you're writing down here, I want
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you to know, man, you don't have to participate. I
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was on Jeopardy about like like a celebrity Jeopardy or
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it was he was the bullshit edition, and you know
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I knew him. He was a nice guy. No, it
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: was it was, Oh god, he's so unimpressive from also
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: from Michigan. I'm sorry, No, Bob Woodward. The journalists, yeah,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the journalist. And he didn't tear it up. No, he's
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a little slow. Actually, it was sort of surprised. And
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Peggy new In, who's very nice person. Why do you
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: say it was bullshit? Do you think they like come on? Yeah? Yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: there was like no Greek mythology and I did it
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: hungover and did fine. It was pretty right. So the prize,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: so Spencer wanted forty five minutes, and we've negotiated down
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to think we're like twenty. Yeah, but I'm very excited
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: about this. I think that if you I'm I hope,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I'm I had Spencer sit. I made uh, Spencer has
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Brody's chair. I wanted to be so cold, s Spencer
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: while he did it, to see how it went. And
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the prize is meat Eater has generously agreed to donate
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: one hundred dollars to a conservation organization of the winner's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: choice in the winner's name. So that is what's on
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the line here. And if this takes off and becomes
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: really good, we'll have to up the state. There we go.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: This is just an introductory level. Comminder, Philik and one
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of you tally up the scores for me while we
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: do this. Right, look on, Natan, know what I should
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: win everything. I'm saying, just tend to win everything. We
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: were ready. Everyone has a white right. None of us
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: know what's going on. We've never tried it. I thought
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: we should just shout out the answers. Yeah, the first
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: question is multiple choice. You're not going to get any
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: more multiple choice after this, so I'm giving you. Do
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: we keep our whole board secret? Yeah? I mean I
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: don't want. I don't want cal Show and Garrett, And
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: what I mean is we do all of that. There
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: will be after the first question, I will tell you
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to reveal your answer, and then we'll have a moment
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: where we can laugh at Seth because he wrote something
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: dumb um and we all know what everyone's as. Probably
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: that's right. Multiple choice. The topic is conservation. Which one
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: of these conservation organizations is oldest? Wall Eyes Unlimited, Duck's Unlimited,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Trout Unlimited, or White Tails unlimited. Which one is the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: oldest wal Eyes, Ducks, Trout or White Tails? Oh? Man, see,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's one of those ones where, oh,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: come on, that's obvious. I know what to put. Wow,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: look up. Huh. These are the only four unlimited uh
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: conservation organizations that I could find. But I feel like
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: we should start like a squirrel one at some point.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we have Rocky Mountain Squirrel Foundation. Is there
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: really such a thing. No, we're gonna starts unofficially organization.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: He doesn't do anything with it. It used to be
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: in the Honest's bio on the website that he is
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the founder of it. All right, does everyone have an answer?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Reveal your answers. We have White Tails un Limited was
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: found in nineteen two. Let me tell you why I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: put down what I never Walleyes Unlimited was found in
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, Trout Unlimited in nineteen fifty five, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Ducks Unlimited. The correct answer was nineteen thirty seven. We
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: got everyone did well there, listen, Here's why I thought
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it was gonna be one of those got you questions.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: That's kind of embarrassed. So now that I see that
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you're just going for I wanted it so bad to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: be Wales. And the great story about it is when
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: it was founded, the founder was originally just going to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: just going to call it Ducks, but it was going
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to be an international organization, and one of the other
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: founders pointed out to him that, well, this would be limited.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: This would be uh categorized as a limited corporation in Canada,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: so Canada would refer to it as Ducks Limited. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the founders quote was, damn it, we don't want limited Ducks.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: So the solution then was to name it Ducks Unlimited.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: But question, it's now Duck's Unlimited limited if you like
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: dug around in the paperwork of what Canadians we forer
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: do it as I'm guessing that's would be Comma limited. Ye,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: So that's and that then like I imagine Spawn Trout
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to give that name in white Tails and sure everyone else.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: So that's how it started, staying Canadians, you're into this,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: aren't you? Hey, where's our interest? Meters Phil, there's a
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: lot of people in the room. I don't think I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: would have had space to set it up. Turn mine
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: up if you can't got it. Question to the categories
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: public lands? Which state has the most national parks? M
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: hm oh, I mean by number, you know, the number
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of them? Oh, I think the number of national parks.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Hold on a minute, man, are you talking about like
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: like uh, like what about like Gettysburg or something like
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: what what the National Park Service would identify as an
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: national parks? But this is not This is not square miles,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: is not percentage of land, the number of them that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: there are, and it is a close race at the top.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I will give you that hint. Yeah, because I think
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the smallest national park on register is less than a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: square mile of land. I believe so that I think
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: so that is not the question though, reminding the questions,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: letting people know there's really there's at Which state has
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the most? I don't think I have it right. What's
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: your fear do you think did you go to the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: obvious or not obvious one on this one? Because I'm
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: thinking about something that's probably wrong, worked yourself into a pretzel. Yeah,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to tell you. Does everyone have an answer
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: but grudgingly reveal your answers. The only person who got
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it right is Tucker. It is a California, California, California, California. Okay,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I'll put you on. California leads the nation at nine.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: You then have Alaska at eight, Utah at five, in
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Colorado at four. Here's why I went Alaska because you
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: know they have like the park, they have those like
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: park and preserved designations and there's a lot of them. Man,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: talk about that earlier today. Explanations of why you were on. No,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you do not, but I appreciate to tell you. I'm
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: gonna quit doing it. I'm just gonna be wrong. I'm
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking for that in this game. I want
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: you to like make me fat chest self and explain
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: how wrong you got it. That kind of thing. Keep
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it on. California nine, in Alaska eight, last GA eight,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Ute five, Colorado four. The nine national parks are Channel
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Island's Death Valley, Joshua Tree, King's Canyon, lastin Volcanic Pinnacles,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Redwood Sequoia, and Semity. You know, uh, a little bit
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of constructive feedback for you. Okay, I'm ready your You
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: knocked it out of the park on the first tidbit,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: like the post question tidbit, the second no one wants
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to hear a list of nine things. I disagree. The
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: second tidbit I thought was horrible. Okay, it's going forward.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Too much information, Yeah, going forward. The first tidbit was wonderful,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: but it's already constrict, like you can get list nine
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: things to somebody. Look at look at what happened in
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: the competition side of things though, right we were like
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: had a strong heat going and all of a sudden,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: now we have a clear front runner. Two rounds like that.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: That's a mark of a good game. The tidbit was
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: specifically for criticizing the tidbit, and I would like the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: first tidbits at a real bar. I'm rounding out your compliments.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And hey, at least he didn't slow down the podcast
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: or anything with that and keep us from question three.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Ready ready, I just like the point out that Karen
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: is also playing and she is also two for two.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Have a whiteboard, so I don't trust what she says.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I like it, Philip fact checker, I'm gonna do a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: scoreboard update. That's very unnecessary. Where Steve has zero correct
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and the only person in the room was zero, we're
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: just getting started. Question three, the topic is biology. What
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: is the term for when there is a distinct difference
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in size or appearance between males and females of the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: same species. I'll give you some examples. A female soft
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: shell turtle grows about twice as big as a male
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: soft shell turtle. A mule deer buck has antlers, well,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: a mule deer dough does not. These are examples of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: what biological term. It's basically, did you listen to the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: last episode of the Mediator podcast? Was this talked about?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Then we're talked about. We've talked about how Neanderthals don't
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: seem to have exhibited it and at low levels ospreys
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: are extreme. Okay, does everyone have it written down? I
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: don't know. I saze sports, so I can't. I can't.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Just sorry. The correct answer, as most folks in the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: room macrofructations. The correct answer is what karine? That is ratual.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: That's hot. Who got I read that? Not only do
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you do? It seems like from the sculpt remains do
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Neanderthals did not have as extreme a form of sexual
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: dimorphism is hominids or not? They were hominids as Homo sapien,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: but they a Their skeletal remains exhibit the same suites
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: of injuries from what anthropologists call a confrontational style of hunting,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and that it seems that the women were mixing it
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: up with the men in big game hunting, a suite
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: of injuries that is reminiscent of what you see on
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: professional bull riders. They noted, it's a good book. I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: read all that out of Okay, all right, now we
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: have Korean pitching a perfect game. That's the tidbit, three
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: for three. Yeah, but she's disqualified because Brodie, did you
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: get that one or not? It's only an honorable man.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Caught up Phil Question four's fishing. The fifty one bass
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Master Classic, which is the super Bowl Bass Fishing, just
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: wrapped up in June. The annual tournament features some of
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the world's most famous anglers on some of America's premier
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: bass lakes and rivers. You need to name one body
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: of water the bass Master Classic has been held on.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Has been held on, Yes, any of the fifty one events.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: You need to name one of those lakes or rivers
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: or impoundments that the Classic has been held on. Have
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to spell it right. No, I'm right there. I think
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: we're writing down the same lakes down. This is gonna
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: take me a minute to check all of your answers,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: because you have about forty options. The lake is or
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the the the tournament has been held on some some
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: duplicates at some point, so you have to bear with us.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: We reveal on I see Garrett still writing Lake macro Fructation.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: All right, Steve, you go first. What do we got
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: oka chobe Um? I don't. I don't know if that's
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: one of them because you sheld it so wrong. I can't.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Did you write it this way? Steve? Yeah, lake of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Lake of Florida Lake. Oh oh, he's got the same answer,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: but he probably spelled about kay. I do not I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: do not seek cho beyond you, Tucker, what is your answer?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry? How do you spell the nar? Think it's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: l A and I E R in Georgia. That is
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: not one of them. Come on, I don't think. I
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: think you're like, I don't even want to show, but
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know if there's bass Lake
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Michigan is correct, I don't even here. Two thousand they
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: held the Bass Master Classic on Lake Michigan. That Wood
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Davies one with twenty seven pounds. Seth, what do you
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: got like? Fork? He likes bass tournaments. That is not
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: one of the lakes. Really really, what is this? I know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I know, I know for a fact Lake Fork was
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: on a stop on the series this year, not the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Master Classics, the class So what is like? What fake answer?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I had three question marks? So Garrett the person who
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: have you caught bass? Like? Right? Have you caught bass before? Yeah?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I do it quite a lot around here? Yeah, get
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: at it is the one person got it right? Yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: fly Rod. Mainly he's lying, like I know this year
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: it was held in Florida, but I forget the body
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: of water name or not Florida, Texas. It was in Texas. Oh,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I know what like? But I don't Ray Roberts. Roberts,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I couldn't think of it. Okay, you got a tidbit
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: or no, that's it. No, I think part of your
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: signature deal should be a little tidbit. Yeah. Well the
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: tidbit was telling Garrett that it was held in two
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: thousand and in Wade Davies won it with twenty seven pounds. Alright.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Question five, we no longer have a perfect game from Karan.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: The topic is biology. What is the color of spider blood? Spencer?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: That's it, that's the whole question. What is the color
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of spider blood? Is it different? You probably can't give
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: me a hint. Is it different inside and outside the body? Yeah?
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Because right exactly. I was just thinking that exact same,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: because I mean, who hasn't squashed a spider? Moved to disqualified?
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: That's it? I like the way you think. That's very smart.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: What is the color of spider blood? Does everyone have
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: an answer? Oh? No, I'm changing mind because you're not
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: going to answer that. I thought I'm not very relevant question.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I can answer anything. This could be an overthinking underthinking situation.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So what are you doing? You reveal
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: your answers. The correct answer is blue? Which who got it? Cal?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Got it blue? Steve? No? I know? Is that only
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Cal on that one? It is because it is because
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: check He's gonna go over to the corner of the
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: room and fact check their blood has an atom of
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: copper instead of iron. Like most animals. They share this
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: trait with snails and OCTOPI that was a good tidbit,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you, very good tidbit. Okay, I got a half
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: time round up here. We have Karin and Cal tied
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: for first with three, Brody Garrett tied for second, oh,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and Tucker tied for second, and then we've got Steven
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Seth around it out last with one. These are hard, dude,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I'm so depressed now. Out of all the hot tips
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that we're getting out of these, I'm thinking Wade Davies
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and the weight of the bass is probably the one
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: that's gonna come in least handy. Yeah, yeah, Question six,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: back to the topic of conservation. Before becoming president, Teddy
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Roosevelt had held titles such as Minority Leader of the
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: State Assembly, President of the Police Commissioners, and governor in
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: what state? Teddy Roosevelt titles such as Minority Leader of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the State Assembly, President of the Police Commissioners, and governor
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: in what state? We have very confident, Tucker Carlson that
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: so far's from How about this heat, Teddy Roosevelt introduced
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: what caliber of side arm to the police department that
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: he oversaw. Yes, Spencer, I don't know. Spencer's got zero.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: And he did it so they would kill fewer criminals.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: True story. That's a good tidbit. Good tidbit. Does everyone
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: have an answer? Yeah, but I don't like mine. Reveal
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: your answers. The correct answer is New York, which everybody
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: but Garrett. Everybody but Garrett. What did you put down Garrett,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: North Dakota. I didn't put down Montana, Rhode Island. Why.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: It just seemed like geographically like an east somewhere. It's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: like just in the east. We have a fun article
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: on the media dot com talking about Teddy how during
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: when he while he held those roles, he really loved boxing,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and there was a moment where he got hit so
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: hard by an intern that it made him blind in
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: one eye, and then he kept doing it all the
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: way through the White House. But somebody told them that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: it was like unbecoming of a president to be walking
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: around with black eyes and cuts on his face, and
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: so he gave it up for a little bit. M hm.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Question seven, we are on public lands. What is the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: deepest lake in America. What is the deepest lake in America?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I saw some fast writing so far. I see some
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: erasing as well, man made. I see no writing by
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Steve made so far. Come man made. I'm not going
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: to give a hint. Oh, I see a third round
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: of writing from Cal once a hundred dollar donations in Oregon.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I am not giving any hints. I see everybody ready,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: but Steve, I honestly don't have an answer. Just come
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: up with an answer that's not superior about write that
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: down al right? Everybody reveals your answer the correct I
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: was trying to think of though, So who got it right?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: We had Set and Brody and Cal, Garrett Tucker. No,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I got it wrong, but I knew, but I knew
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the answer. It is located in Oregon. You see what
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, And it is point five Yeah, it is
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: one thousand ninety nine ft deep. And while it is
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the deepest lake in the USA, it is not the
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: deepest lake in North America. That title is held by
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the Great Slave Lake in the Northwest Territories of Canada.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: That lake is two thousand ten ft deep, about sixty
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: ft deeper than Crater Lake. You fish that one yet,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Tucker small, it's small mouth. It's gotta be like gin
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: clear right, yeah, no, no, I was there in bad weather.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: So tons of shoreline looks awesome. Yeah, m hm cool
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: lag to creep on X for no reason. Alright, we're
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: onto question eight. How many are There's ten questions, so
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: we're coming off with the end. One of the most
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: googled fire question is what is better between the two
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: seventy Winchester in the thirty odds six Springfield. We aimed
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: at answering this question in a recent article in media
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: dot Com called caliber Battle to seventy Winchester versus thirty
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: odds six Springfield. If you want that answer, you're gonna
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: have to go to the media dot com to see
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: the winner. George Stillers did a great job of breaking
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: down the two cartridges and declaring a winner. I'm not
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: gonna tell you who it was your interview that no, ok.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Your question is what does the odds six stand for?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: In the name thirty odds six Springfield? We have a confidence, Steve,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and a confidence ordinarily confident, confident, cal confident everybody but Garrett,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: who is our gun guy. Don't call him the gun guy.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: He's a he's a competing he's a competit. He's a
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: competitive shooter, he's a solving. His garage floor is clean.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: He's got that deep pile rug in his garage, not
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: a drop on it. So, but before you get the answer,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: what was the answer to the predicate question, like what
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: is superior? I can't can't to drive traffic. You need
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to go to the media dot com traffic because it's
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a newer cartridge. You need to go to the media
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: dot com and read Jordan Stiller's article from July one. Yeah,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: it's like it's subjective but grounded. He does as good
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: as job of breaking the two down. Is anybody just?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: But the ultimate thing is subjective? Yes, yet grounded. Yes,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: this question is not subjective. Everyone reveals your answers. The
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: answer is the odd six refers to nineteen o six,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: the year the cartridge was adopted. I think we should
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: give it the south who wrote year made Yeah, for sure,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: everybody got it? Oh no, no, I wrote, what did
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: you write? I wrote, oh yeah, Oh man, I'm embarrassed
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: admit this. I wrote zero six Because the way you
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: format of your question, you said, what is odd six?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Stand for the thirty? I thought you were trying to
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: be tricky there with your last statement. The thirty refers
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: to the caliber of the bullet in inches, while the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: old six stands for nineteen or six, the year the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: cartridge was adopted. That was question eight. We're on the
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: question nine. What is the score? Phil? We have cal
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: with six points in first place, really, followed closely by
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Brody with five, Tucker with four, and then Karin with
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and Steve with three. Oh, set Scott four as well?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Did I say that? And Garrett has too? Beforehand? I
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: thought it were taken six to win this and we
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: have two questions left, so you guys are on a
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: good pace. I'm I've gone from wanting to win to
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: just not wanting to be last place, which is the
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: mark of a good game. We got condition question nine
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the categories wildlife management. The two most common types of
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: tracking collars that biologists use on animals are GPS and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: v h F. GPS, of course, stands for Global Positioning System.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: What does v h F stand for? Oh, that's a
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: good one. It is a good one. The two primary
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: times GPS and VHF. GPS is Global positioning system. What
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: does v h F stand for? V is in venus.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: This is the hardest I've seen in the room think yet,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: because it's knowable. Yeah, it's like I think it feels
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: like one of those things you should not right, m
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: cal the front runners thinking especially hard. Those brows are
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: very furrowed. I've strapped these onto animals, and so it's
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: killing me that I don't confident. Does everyone have an answer?
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Reveal your answers. I'm not seeing correct. I think that's
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: right right, Very high frequency that is correct. High frequency
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: that is right, very high high frequency as you can
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: get right, They're like, how high, very high, very high.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Tucker is the only one that got that one right.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: VHF colors work by sending out a radio signal that
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: allows biologist to physically locate the animal by using a
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: receiver and directional antenna. They only cost about three hundred
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: fifty dollars, while a GPS collar can cost anywhere from
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: eight hundred to three Thank you, very high frequency, very
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: high frequency. There were some close answers. I saw a
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: few of you had like the very some people had
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the frequencies. Uh, Tucker was the only one to put
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: it all together there. You can't buy him right now, No,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I imagine, I don't know. I just got a couple
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: of new dogs and I want callers from me, and
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: there you can't get them. Run the last question, Phil,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: is it close? Uh? Well, the only way Cal can.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Cal can't lose, but he can tie for first. Have
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a tiebreaker. We need to go to America. We don't
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: tie Phil soccer stuff. There you go. I I like
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: to Cal has six, Brody and you did that, Brody
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: and don't like Yeah, I don't like just drag people
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: through the dirt, Brody and Tucker. I tied for second
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and Seth is in third with four. Yeah. Like you
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: know when the Olympus are coming up and they get
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to like gold right, they don't go like gold browns
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and they keep going, oh yeah the last place person.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: To remind everyone just let's focus on the winners. Let's
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: focus on the lot of bitterness in this room. That
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: focus on question ten. The topic is white tails. The
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: most popular state mammal is the white tailed deer. In fact,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: there are twelve states that recognize the white tail as
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: their state mammal. Name one of them really twelve states
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: name one of the states that recognize the white tail
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: as their official state mammal. This is for all the marbles,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and I don't see cal looking confident. It ain't Arizona, Garrett,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: don't put Arizona. Oh, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I have to keep people up to speed on what
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking. Does everybody have an answer? Reveal your answers.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I will list off the correct answers. You can tell
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: us if you're right, Wisconsin, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Ohio,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: new hand, sure, Nebraska, Mississippi, Michigan, Steve, Illinois, Georgia, and Arkansas.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: You put a very logical answer though, but of course
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: it's the steer right. So we had we had everybody
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: get it right except Tucker and cow Okay, I missed.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I said Louisiana, okay, which I don't know what the
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: state mammal for Louisiana would be. So in our first
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: ever time playing trivia, we were going to a tiebreaker.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: They both got what seven correct? Six? Six? Okay, So
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I'm out while you kind of fell behind. Are you
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: kind of choked? Yeah? I missed the last two. Yeah, okay.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: You all can participate in the tiebreaker, but the only
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: answers that matter are Brody and cow your question is
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: in the number of days, how long is the gestation
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: period of an ELK thesis? Will be the winner. Oh,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: this goes very well into our heated conversation last there's
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: there's a good play on words right there, Steve. Steve.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Steve filled the audience in and what the conversation was
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: last night between Callum Brody while they got so bad.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: We were out celebrating the launch of meetings, camp Fire Stories,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Close Calls, and we were celebrating the launch at a restaurant,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: and so everybody that was involved in that project was there,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: and Calum Brody got into a fight so bad that
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: made other people at the table uncomfortable. The number of
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: days those people get uncomfortable around people anyway, a little
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: bit hard to track. It had to do with that
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Montana now has a Montana now has a primitive. They
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: now have a flint lock season, which will be tacked
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: on to the end of the general season. Brody, are
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you one of those folks that knows that how many
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: days in each month? Because I just kind of gassed well,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I guess too, all right, right, the correct answer by
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: still in the two seventy caliber, the correct He's seventy
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: kis coming in my mind. It's two by the winner
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: with the answer of two seventy. That number comes from
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain ELK Foundation. So take it up with them,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: cal who was very wrong. I'm your skills is what
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: failed there? You have an art in June. They get
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: inseminated in September. Cali, you could have made an argument
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: that I went over. No, no, no, you know, like
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, you can do it like prices
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: going over. Yeah, yeah, price is right doing. But he
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: didn't say that. Well done, Brody. Yeah, now body tell
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: us who you're going to donate your one dollars too. No,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: let's keep in the family and do TRCP all right,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Uh soccer Carlson, Um, you're here to go fishing, I am.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: And you live in Maine. Yep, tell us about that,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: about how Maine you're you're explaining Maine kind of drives
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: up as if fishing matter. Yeah. So we live in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: the Western Mountains in Maine, at the top of the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Appalachian Chain in the United States, and um, really pretty area,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: great fishing, biggest brook trout in the United States. Been
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: there my whole life, and we have landlocked salmon too
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: throughout the watershed and they're great, great little game fish,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and but it gets hot and so um we have
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of still water fishing, a lot of lake fishing.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I fly fish, So that's a problem because obviously, you know,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: casting lead cores, it loses. It's a p you like
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: being a moving water for sure. I fish rivers mostly.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: There's about a maybe three week period where I live
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: on a lake where we get um rising trout and salmon,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, you just kill it for that period.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: But you know, stripping scuds on sinking line just I'm
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: not that into it. So but anyway, as the summer
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: gets warm, what I always come out west to the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: state to fish every you know, every year without fail.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: And I have a lot of kids, and how many
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: kids you got for and you got a kid coming
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: out to fish with it, and so various kids will
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: meet me out here and we're just get in the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: truck and drive around and stay motels and fish. What
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: are the age ranges. My oldest is twenty six, second
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: is twenty four. It was a outstanding fly caster, like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: one of the best. Is just a natural and a
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: really good shot. My third is two and my fourth
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: is eighteen, and they're all into the outdoors. Were raised
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: that way, and but they have varying degrees of enthusiasm
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: for fly fishing. Two out of four earlier are into it.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: It's pretty good. I mean, considering you know how difficult
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: it is to get a kid to learn to cast
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a fly rod? Is very difficult. And were you saying
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: you just recently turned fifty. I'm fifty two. It's really old.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: But my my son, who's a who's a really superior
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: fly caster, much better than I am. Um, you know,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you have to make them. You have to make them,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: so you start them on spinning rods obviously, you know,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: throwing the daredevil on a whatever big castor spinning rod
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And then at about when he was nine,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I just switched him over to and eight waite because
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: it's just easier to load it. And uh, he really
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: hated it like a lot because his catch rate went
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: to zero. And I was just a complete fashion coming
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: after throwing spinners. Yeah, if you're throwing a daredevil in
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: the Andreskoggin River like you're going to hook up for sure. Well,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I started all my kids on nightcrawlers. Yeah. Well I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: never I never because that's in moral So I didn't
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: do that. But but no bait fishing. But anyway, but
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I made him take up the fly. Rodney deeply resented it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: And I've had a pretty lazy, fair attitude with my
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: kids about most things. You know, you get to choose
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: your political beliefs or what you know. It's not into
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: forcing my beliefs and my kids except for a couple
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: of things. And one of the most evening you have
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: to be able to competently cast and this one kid,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: it sounds well because no one else is going to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: teach him, you know what I mean, that's like your
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: duty as a father, and you gotta you know, I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: like wing shooting, so that too. But anyway, this one
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: kid really hated it and stared at me in this resentful,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: almost edible way like I want to I want to
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: kill you. And but I kept at it, and it
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: was it was such a great victory because he really
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: became talented and learned to love it. So I fished
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: with him a lot. And but now I'm fishing with
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: one of my girls. Are you're you're in Maine? You
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: have a camp, right? We have a kid? How do
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you know that? Because that's like so main culture. You
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: go out for a paddle and you go to the camp. Yeah,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: every every house in May in the woods as a camp.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: And then we we have a camp which is our
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: family house where we grew up, and then we have
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: a fishing We have another camp which is off grid,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: just two cabins on a river, and that's the fishing camp.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: That's the fishing camp. So we fish at boat at both.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: But we have a like fully you know, no electricity
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: or running water place, which is great. And your kids
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: like going to the camp. They're obsessed. Yeah, they love it. Yeah,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: because i mean, you know, you can we shoot a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: lot and you know, you can shoot off the porch
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: and swim in the river and the fishing for a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: couple of months is pretty great. It it turns up
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: again in September. We're mostly for brook trout, and the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: brook trout really don't let any water over seventy there's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: not into it at all, so they find the springs
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: so they just kind of disappear. But they come back
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: in September. So you know, most of August is shooting
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: heavy on the Tanna, right, you know, three awight into
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Tanna right that that that's how we clear the wood.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: And the forest in Maine is very different from the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: forest out here, and it's like a rainforest. That's a move.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: We get so much precipitation, and you know, white pines dominate,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: of course at the whole point of Maine is the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: eastern white pine. But we get a ton of spruce
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: and fur and seed during a lot of other things,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: but mostly spruce and for just like just pop up
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: like you know, like five o'clock shadow. They're just everywhere.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: So you know, there's a lot of a lot, but
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: there's you know, you have to cut basically if it's
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: your land, and so we try to use tanna right
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: to do that because it's just so much more fun.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: That's how you shop them down. Well, no, I mean,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: we we use chainsaws typically, but tanna right is fun.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: You know. Uh, did you guys see that the you know,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: the story of the couple that had a gender reveal
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: party for a baby, burn the burn the forest down.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I just saw it. Just I saw in the news
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: this morning that they were there being charged for the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: death of a firefighter. Fire thirty felonies or something. They
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: got charged with. It was some it was some ridiculous
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: number like that. It's pretty hard to set the forest
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: in Maine on fire. It's really wet. Yeah, like a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: pig shows upside. It's a it's a little more like
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Oregon than it is Monte. And this is this is
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: North North, like the big Northwood. This is western Maine,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: which is the mountainous part of Maine. So a lot
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: of Maine, actually northern Maine is flat. Coastal Maine is
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: rocky and really don't have that many evergreens um the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: mountains of western Maine, so sort of maybe two hours
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: above Portland, and then it's all paper company land up
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: to the Canadian border. That's less like pond swamp country
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: more well, there's all over Maine, which is like the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: downside that an insane amount of water, insane amount of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: water and insane amount of swamps. And you know, depending
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: on the year, the ticks are just ridiculous and you
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: have to be happy, you know, comfortable with mosquitoes and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: black flights, which I am. I've just totally zend out
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: and I don't even care. Um, but the ticks some
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: years are really bad. In fact, it was last year
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the estimate was we lost half of all yearling moose
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: to blood loss from ticks. Kid, Oh, it's into, it's real.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: It's totally intense this year. I mean I'm in the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: woods every day and six eight ticks, and I mean
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I haven't worn shorts a single day. I got to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Maine on June tenth. I haven't worn shorts a single
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: day because not one what is don't wear shorts and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Maine because that's like you don't do that? And I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: still get six or eight ticks every day. The mortality
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: on that moose study, uh, they were averaging a little
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: over forty seven thousand ticks on each calf moves. Which
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: ever seen it? I have not seen it in person,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: but it's over twenty pounds of ticks. You can imagine that.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: It's so well, I mean, it's disgusting obviously, like beyond
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: it's like the most repulsive thing you've ever seen, but
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: it's also just a tragedy. You see it and you
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: just feel so sorry. Moose are a big thing where
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: we live. I hit one two years ago, totally destroyed
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: my truck. I hit a bull moose going seventy and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: just total to full size silverado on them. So they're
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: kind of a threat. They killed dogs moose for that
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: like the only thing in the main woods that will
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: hurt you. So you kind of have ambivalent feelings about moose,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: but when you see the ticks on them, you really
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: have sympathy because it's just and that's why they're in
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the swamps all day. You know, they're missing huge patches
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: of fur, and the clusters of ticks are just like,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: never see anything like it. Tixer sizes your thumb. Thousands
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: of them just gorge with blood gorged the poor animals.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: You know, is it widely known that you uh produce
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: that you like, do your show from not Manhattan. I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: don't know that it is. Um. I had a remember
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: being really when I found that out. I didn't know
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: you could pull that off. Oh yeah, and it's it's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: gotta be people who are like, well, I'm gonna do
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: that too, when people should. I mean, you know, some
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: people really like cities. I I emphatically don't. I don't
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: see the upside. I really strong feelings about it. I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: try to express them because there are a lot of
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: great people who live in cities and I don't want
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: to alienate them. It's like golf. I don't know I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: don't golf, but I don't attack golf. I don't know,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: it's not in my heart. I do, but I don't.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I don't say that out loud. Um, So I'm not
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not attacking cities, but I just I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: don't care to live that at all. And I'm sure
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: he's a nice person. It seems like a nice person.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Oh you know, uh, you know, I was gonna ask
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: you about see that, show him, show him your arm, Spencer.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Spencer got this listening tree. Now, he could have planted
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: a thousand trees for what it cost him to get
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: that tree. Like trees, Yeah, I was gonna ask you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: have tattoos. We're gonna argue about tattoos lately. I'm not
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: gonna answer that question. Let me just say I was
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville seven drunk and I did wind up with
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: a couple and did Yeah. I mean it was the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: eighties and I drank a lot. I no longer drank
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: or go to Jacksonville, So I'm fine now. But I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: do love trees, and I and I love that. And
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: then you spend part of your year working out of Florida,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: so you'd pack up the whole operation everybody goes with you. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: do they look forward to that part of the year. Yeah,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: we we live I mean, I really care about the outdoors,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: and so I'm here and uh and so yeah, we
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: live on the west coast of Florida, UM on one
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: of the Barrier Islands, where you know, tarpin fishing is
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: a is kind of the center of the It's the reason,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: it's the reason the town is. End of that. Yeah,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I like tarping, Honestly, I don't. I like tarpin fishing.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I live in like the world's capital tarpin fishing, But
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: I really like snooking and redfish stuck mostly so all
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: winter I fish for snook on a fly, and you know,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you can catch one stock after the other in the mangroves,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: but to catch up forty and snook on the fly
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: is definitely something you need to dedicate yours to doing.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: It's actually think it's actually harder than tarpin fishing. Tarpin
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: fishing on a fly is heavily luck related, So I
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: I do think that. I mean, it's just if you
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: tried on a fly for tarpins, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: you pulled it off, haven't you. Oh? Yeah, no, I've
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: got I've got a handful. But it is I think
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: I knew you win. Uh, Like you know my my
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: buddies that are guides and do it all the time,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: like they definitely have this. Oh it happens or it doesn't,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: and there's no more thought. You have to be able
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: to get the fly to them. It's very quick reaction.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: It's not casting, obviously to trout or even to snook
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: where you know you're safe fish and you're thinking, okay,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: lead him. That's it's just a pure reaction. I fish
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: with actually a one piece nine weight because I don't
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: like nice thing. The big The one piece don't blow up,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: and that's why I do it, so I use a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: lighter rod for it. Explain me when you say blow up,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: well your rottle shatter. Oh you mean blow up like
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: break well there's a big fish. Yeah. Have you have
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: you got one of those mako reels? No, I those
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: things are And it's so funny. I called one tarpin
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: this spring because I go to main pretty early, so
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: tarpin season where I live starts, well, it kind of
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: depends on the year. Last year it started, I caught
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: a tarpet in March. This year, it was a little
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: bit later, maybe mid April, and I fished throughout April
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: and early May, and my last day in Florida, I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: caught a tarp in my first cast, maybe d and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: twenty pound tarpin and my rod my son was using
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: my rut so was. I borrowed a friend's rod and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: the reel was broken, and it it just I mean,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, they just well, you know, you've caught him.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's almost a chore to catch him.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: You well, that's why people snap them off. It's like, oh,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: I caught the tarping, great, good for me, but you
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to actually get into the boat because it's
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: really intense. But this thing took off and the real
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: hit my thumb and I couldn't use my hand. It
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: was it was absolutely awful. So that's like the one
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: kind of fishing. I fish a lot of fish every day,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: and that's the only kind of fishing where I think
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: the real matters. I mean, even with snook, and I
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: never put a fish on the reel ever. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: I've seen people take more time to land a trout
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: fly fishing trying to get it on the reel and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: mess around. And I've seen I've seen like pro tarpan
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: people land tarpan with proper rod mechanics, proper real mechanics
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: in less time than i've seen sloppy trout fishing. Its
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: totally right, and it's like someone who's great. The guy
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: I fished with Austin Ladder is actually from Montana can.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I mean he can muscle a hundred and kind of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: tarp into the boat in like six minutes. But for
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: a normal person like me who fishes a lot, but
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: it is not a guide. I mean take twenty five
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: minutes to get the fish to the boat. And Latin fact,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: last year I cut a fish that was big enough
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  Speaker 1: and it was a nasty enough fight that I actually
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: took a nap in the boat. That's how old. I mean,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: it just it just wore me right out. That's awesome. Hey,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: what's what? How does snook fishing work? Snook fishing is like,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: how do you guys go about it? You just get
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: out into flats boat. Actually, I do what I like
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: to fish on foot for trout to I really don't
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: like fishing from a boat. I never do float trips
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: for example. I just I'm not into it. I'm not
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: into Bobbera fishing in general, but I like to walk
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: and I like it some nice long drift though, man,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: you do. To be honest, my snobbery is based on
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: my lack of skill. So my son actually does a
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: lot of indicator fishing, and he's like, you're an idiot
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: for trout. I do a lot of swinging wet flies.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I tied a lot, and I tie for myself and
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: my son and a couple of other people. So I've
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: got all these like super strong theories about trout fly.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm a purist. I love to
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: tie flies and I always have, and I love wet
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: flies and I love main featherweg streamers are the two
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: things really that I spend most time time anyway. Whatever,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: So that anyone you know who ties, just asking what
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: you tie affects how you fish. So if you're like
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: super into tying hoppers, you know you're you're throwing hoppers
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: early season, even when they're on the hoppers, because you
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: tied it, and you've like spend on when I'm thinking
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: about how the fish are reacting. Oh ship, it's purple
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: this year or whatever. You know, what I mean. So
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: like anyway, I don't do a lot of bobber fishing.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I mostly do walk up fishing. I just like walking
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: along rivers and streams um so for snook. You know,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you get out. We have a lot of mangrove islands
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: where we live, so I just get out. I always
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: wait barefoot. There's really nothing that will. You know, if
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: you're sort of awake, you're not going to step on
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: a ray. You're fine. And and I try to, you know,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: you see the snook and then you try and fishing,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: you're like stalking along the edges of mangrove violence Oh yeah,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: looking for the awake or absolutely. And it's skinny water,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: very very I mean, I have a flats boat I
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: have which actually sank tarping my son's. I bought a
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Hell's bay and I'm cheap, so I bought an old
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: one and I had a bait well. Now why a
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Hell's bay would have a bait well, since I've never
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: heard of someone using a Hell's bait of bait fish,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: But whatever, it had a bait well in it, and
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: the valve in the bait well was bad, and the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: boat literally sank the second week of May off an
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: island in Sherlotta Harbor as we were fishing with my
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: son in it, and it cost me a huge amount
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: of money to get it back. Have you done that?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: You buy insurance for it, which I never do because
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: I know you can't. It can be legally dicey to
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: walk away from dude. By the insurance, I think it's
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: fifty bucks a year. It was like six thousand dollars
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: to get the boat towed back to the marina. It
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: was insane. It was insane. I'm still mad about it,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: but whatever. Anyway, the point is, um, I like to
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: fish on foot very very much, and I do think
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: your catch raate goes down. I mean, obviously, the most
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: efficient way to fish just to have someone pull you
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: stand on the platform at the front, hold your fly,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: you know, wait to see the fish draw it across
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: his nose, you know whatever. But I fished by myself
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: a lot, so I'm happy to catch fewer at this age.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so freaking old that I'm happy, and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I've caught a lot of fish. I'm I'm happy to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: catch fewer fish, but be more fully immersed in and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: is the is the mark the over forty inches it
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: is for me. I mean, you know, anyone who fishes
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: a lot winds up in your head kind of and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: so in my head is like, holy shit, that's a
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: snook and and a forty and stuff for some rea
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: snooker one of those weird fish where I think to
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: get to that size there's just like four standard deviations
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: of intelligence higher. So it's pretty easy to fool like
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: ay in snook, just one after the other after the other,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: if you can, you know, I I tie a and
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Enrico Pagliazi baitfish that I think is pretty compelling to snook.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: So um, I feel like I can do pretty well.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: But to catch a forty two foolist smoke that big,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: he's just been duped too many times, I think so,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: and I think and I just think it's just hard
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: to get that big. And I just know from my
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: catch rate, I've caught very few, like five in my life.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: And I fished a lot in the same place. That's
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: the other thing. I fish in the same places, so
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I know that I know the places pretty well. You know,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: at a certain point you kind of know the water.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: And um, I've cut very few stoked that big. So
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's the most exciting. I love tailing red fish.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: We've got some environmental problems where I live with the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: red tide, and I think it's really affected the red
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: fish a lot. It's very upsetting. That's how to do
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: with how they're draining water off a job, right, I
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: think the golf courses. I mean, it's like, there are
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of theories about it. I mean, I could
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: bore you for hours. I won't, but there are a
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: lot of theories on it. I've actually got so upset about.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: We did a couple of shows on it on Fox.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure anyone was interested except me, but um,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: I am interested in to use your platform. What are
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: quality matters? Like? All that can always an environmentalist really
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: really well, then why aren't you upset about the water
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: quality in South Florida? Like and why is this happening?
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Is is it? It's clearly it's phosphates from development and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: golf courses. It's the cutting of the mangroves along the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Army Corps dicking with the drainage. You know, it's often
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: the arm and no offense. And I'm not against the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Army Corps, and I think they do you know, good
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: stuff in a lot of places, but boy, they they
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: use blunt instruments. We had someone on the show that
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: did We had someone on the show we recorded in Florida.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Wish I wish we could find that episode. It was
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: someone who's like they took a memory, had them on.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: They did have like a historic approach on it got
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: into that big flood in the twenties that killed everybody,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: and and then everybody's like, Okay, so that's not gonna
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: happen again, and then like overcorrected and that's exactly what
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: that's And that's exactly right. And you know, the Army
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Corps job is not to make certain the water quality
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: is good enough to sustain a robust fishery. That's kind
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: of not what they're thinking that It was like, you know,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: hundreds of people got killed. That's exactly right. And Florida
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: has a lot of water related drama. There's just a
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: lot of water in Florida. That's complex. But you know,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I've seen him do this a couple of times. There
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: was a hurricane up in northern New England where we live,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: maybe fifteen years ago. I can't I can't really remember
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: about fifteen years ago. And they had massive flooding in Vermont,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: and Vermont had all these you know, pretty blue lines
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: of small board trout streams that are just and I
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: like small stream fishing very much. You know, you get
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: your came three weight and go, you know what I mean,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: like throw for Brookies and the Army corpsyman and basically
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: paved all the streams. I'm overstating that slightly, but they
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: they're just like, well, we have a problem with these
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: streams are flooding the towns, and we're just going to
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: take all the obstructions out what so that you know,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: you you bring earth moving equipment into a into a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: stream really and flatten it out, because thank you, that's
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: exactly right. So really I'm not attacking them. I think
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of good people the Army corp
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: of engineers, but they're they're not thinking about the effects
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: on on the fishery and that was distressing their task
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: with the town floods, their engineers and but you just
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: have to And by the way, I'm not I'm probably
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: a little more on the Ted Kazinski side if the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: equation actually when it comes to development, actually a lot
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: more of him being totally honest Montana guy. For a
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: while he was a Montana guy and and obviously a
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: bad person and kill people, and I'm totally opposed to that.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: But also, you know, not a stupid person at all,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: and a and a very deep person and an interesting
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: person with a lot of anyway whatever, don't keep me going.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: But um, but I think you know, people have a
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: right to have houses, and people want to live in
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: pretty places, and you can't stop all development. You should
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: stop all strip malls and dollar stores obviously, but you
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: can't stop all development. And people want to golf. I
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: get it. So you've got competing imperatives and desires and
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: it's a country three million people. It can't just be
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: about you know, fifty two year old fly fisherman. Okay,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I get it. On the other hand, like the views
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: of fifty two five fisherman should all should be represented.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I think they should be. We should have Spencer on
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: sometime just to talk about why he likes a golf
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: golfing segment. Oh, I think that's was that episode one
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: oh seven Saving the Evergladesh ever? Was that name of
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, they did, they didn't. I thought they
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: did a very good job. We had a couple of
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: people various subjects, Kelly Ralston, Matt Cook, you and Yanni
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: and Fort Lauderdale. That's correct, Okay, Saving the Everglades episode
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: one of seven. Uh did you learn? Did you? Uh?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Your dad got you started in fishing? Yeah, because his
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: dad into it. Uh No, Actually, my father was an
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: orphan who spent his early life in an orphanage. So no,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: wait really yeah, yeah, the home for little wanderers in
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: real name. How what happened? How'd that go down? Well?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: He actually found out later his mother was just really
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: really young, mid teens, and um, she was the Swedish girl,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: and she got pregnant and and so her parents made
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: her put the baby up for adoption and wound up
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: in this orphanage. So he grew up in foster homes,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: an orphanage, then ultimately was adopted. Your kid. You know,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: have you read your your dad's Wikipedia page? I've never
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: read Wikipedia, saying I don't read a single word about
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: myself for my family, not one time. Okay, the what
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: you're saying like lines up with that page. But my
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: impression of reading that was like this is out of
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: a movie, like it it's a it's a tragic Wikipedia. Yeah,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a tragic to hate that. The violation
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: suprivacy are just like to extreme. You know, you're a
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: public figure, I know, but my family has nothing to
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: do with it. I had kind of this lunit to
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: your dad's a historical personal My dad's a great a
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: great man, and a and a and like a real
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: outdoorsman and a really avid wing shooter and and and
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: a great guy. And but he was very intense about
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: camping in the woods and you know, bird hunting and
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: dogs especially, always had always had bird dogs, a lot
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: of them, and highly intense about it. So how did
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: he because that was that that wanted to being a
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: result of his adoptive family. Honestly, I don't really know,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: because like the things that are closest to you know,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: the least about actually, but I think when he was little,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: somebody brought him to a Y m C. A camp
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: in Maine, and that had a huge effect. So then
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, he left high school, joined the Marine Corps.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: You know, didn't have credentials, but he's very smart. So
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: he went up in journalism because they'll take anybody, and
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: became a fairly prominent and successful reporter. At the l
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: A Times in ABC News in California. So we lived
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: in California. I grew up in California and southern California,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: and but we had this camp in Maine because he
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: was he really felt it was important to eat beans
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: and be cold and from New England, and so we
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: would spend the summers. We go from Lajoya, California, which
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: has got to be one of the richest zip codes
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: in the world. It's all in the beach and everyone
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: serfs and everyone's mom like smokes weed at the breakfast
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: table too, And then we'd spend the summer in this
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: beautiful but totally impoverished milltown where they made clothes pins,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: no exaggeration, that was the town business. They had a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: closed pin factory which around a business or night and
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: there was never kind of any employment since. And we've
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: been in that town our whole lives and it's just
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: beautiful and they're great people, but it's very much a
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: sporting culture. I mean, that's what without getting boring in
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: one sentence. So Maine after the Civil War, Maine was
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: an agricultural state. The Civil War happens, you know, every
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: other man in the entire state joins the Union Army.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: I think that the highest enlistment rate of any state.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: They leave Maine for the first time and realized, wait
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: a second, you can farm in places where there aren't
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: granite boulders every four feet and the growing season is
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: longer than six weeks. So every moved to Ohio. So
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Maine had I think ten million acres under cultivation in
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: eighteen sixty. It now has a million acres. So the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: state went from like, yes, it went from being a
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: state of farms to a state of of timberland, of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: paper company land. So it was bought up by the
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Pingree family of Massachusetts and a couple of others, and
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: the majority of the state to this day is owned
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: by Timber Holding Company. So in exchange for owning the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: majority of the state and there's very little public land
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: and Maine, the paper company struck this deal where if
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: you live in Maine you can use paper company land.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: There's no sense of It's the opposite of Montana and Wyoming,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: where you get shot for going on someone's land, especially Wyoming.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: In Maine, you can walk on to the land. It's
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: like there's an expectation I can just hunt on your land.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: I can fish on your land, I can camp on
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: your land. The only thing I can't do is cut
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: the trees. So it's the state, but it's it creates
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: such an interesting culture because you have a state full of,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: like by national standards, very poor people who have amazing
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: sporting opportunities for hunting and fishing, and we have this
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: incredible They reintroduced turkeys into Maine and they just went crazy.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Obviously moose and deer. Where I lived, tons of bears, lots.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I saw a bear on my property last week. I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: thought it was I thought it was a man. It was,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: so it was black bears, huge bears. And then we
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: have trout and salmon, and then in the fall ruffle grouse,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: which and woodcock ruffle grouse and Maine are called partridge
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: for some reason. Yeah I grew up when when I
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: grew up, they would no one calls them grouse, but
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: they are. But they were called pats patridge. Yeah, that
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: spelled a A R. So you're just like, you know,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: if you're working part time in the woods, you know,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: cutting for the paper mill, or you work at the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: dollar store, you know, you don't have any money, but
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, you really have a lot of opportunity in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: a way that they don't have out west. Obviously there's
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: better fishing in some ways, there's better hunting out west,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: but the access in Maine is just incredible for normal people,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: and it creates a really interesting culture where or you know,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: people who work at the middle fly fish. So like
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: in the state of New York, for example, you know
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of other places Connecticut, the only people who
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: fly fish are people who are rich, you know. But
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: in Maine, like poor people fly fish and then tie
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: their own flies, and it's just it's a really neat
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: it's a really neat sporting culture. I think Karan sent
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: us a article um from years ago where there was
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: a thing in the Hollywood Reporter about some guy that
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: decided you were fishing in Central Park. Yes, I was,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: and a guy was decided to make like a started
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: to film you. Yeah, and you had to explain to
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: him that I had this gig where I worked in
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: New York on the weekends. So I would never obviously
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: live in New York because that's soul destroying, but I
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: had a job there on the weekend, so I would
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: go into New York and stay in a hotel for
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: two nights by myself, which is just like hell, Well
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: you're on the roddle out, you know, it's hell. And
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: I just had to get outside of with like driving
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: me freaking crazy. I can't, you know what I mean.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: So I would walk up to Central Park with my
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: eight weight and try and catch bass in the park.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of people fishing there? No,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a fly right there. So I would
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: do it every weekend I get off work. I hosted
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: a morning show and then I'd walk up to the
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: park and cast my stupid fly rod, just like feel better.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: And this guy comes up to me. He's filming me,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: and I thought, I want to hit this. You know,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: it's such a violation of your privacy fishing please, you know, God,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: it's like someone filming you having sex. It's like no, no no, no,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: this is the private realm. Like I'm not I don't
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: want to be seen doing this. And it turned out
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: he worked for Howard Stern and he was fine. He
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: actually later died of a heroin o d weirdly or
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: maybe not so weirdly, but he goes, what are you
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: doing And I said, I'm fly fishing, and he said
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: fly fishing. He thought I meant like house fly. I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: was fishing with house flies. He goes, where do you
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: catch the flies? And I said, why don't. I was
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: totally confused. But he's from New York, so like he
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't know, you know, like he understands subway Matt, like
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: he's you know. He said he was an idiot, and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: I said, no, I don't know. I tied the flage
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: what do you many times? So I showed him my
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: fly box with my stupid, you know, poppers. And at
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: the time, I had this theory about poppers where I
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: was gonna take sheet foam and make the popper out
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: of pieces of sheet foam glued together, rather than like
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: doing him on a drummall tool or whatever. I had
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: this whole theory like I'm gonna create this new kind
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: of popper or whatever, very ugly poppers, but very effective.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: So I like showed him my box of poppers. He
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: has regular buddies. Actually, I I absolutely hated him, but
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: once he get the camera out, I was like, Okay,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: don't be a dick trying to be nice and he
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: didn't mean any harm. He was just dumb and you
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: had to show him the poppers, because you never know
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: who your first investor is going to be. My poppers
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: at that point they were awful. It's funny how much
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: mental disk space I've like devoted to dumb question like
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: how to make the perfect phone popper? But actually I'm
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: not bragging. I've perfected it. You take a nail, like
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: a threepenny nail, and you put it in a drama
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: tool and you just slide the foam over it and
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: then you shape it with sandpaper. Well what was it
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: you put the nail on the drumal? Yeah, it makes
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: you basically you're turning your drama into a lathe. I
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: mean it is, you're turning it into it like a
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: tiny little lathe. Um, and you can actually use like
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: a jeweler's lathe for it. But this is just way easier,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: and you can. It's crazy what you can? I mean,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: do you have a fish with poppers? I have. I
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: don't do a ton of fly fish, to be frank,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: but I have for sure. You can get really carried
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: away with it. It's crazy. Um, So I I obviously
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: I need help, um, but I think the more do
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: you tie hundreds of flies every year? Oh? Yeah, a
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: lot of flies. Quick quick popper jump aside here some
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I'm dying to ask you anyway. Uh, you're year old
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: man had a year long stant as the ambassador to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: the say Schelles. Yeah, did you get to go to
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: one of the saddest things that ever happened? No, So
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: I went to college. That's like the if you're into
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: throwing poppers for giant Travalli fishing, it's like the best
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: in the world. It's it's the destination. That's what I
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: went there for my honey. I went there. We went
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: to all Yeah, we didn't do it right. We went
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: to we went all three major islands. We didn't go
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: to any of the off islands. You know what I mean.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: We didn't go to like but that I didn't realize
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: at the time. I kind of was half thinking that
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I would get it, I would throw it in. I
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: don't really, it's to go from to go from the
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: say Sheells to like the outer islands that are famous
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: for fishing. Is about like getting from here to the
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: say Shells. I mean it's like a whole thing, but
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: in like a dangerous plane. Yeah, I mean it's just
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: like it's not you know, just like like go talk
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: to the guy down to the beach and having buzzy
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: out there, you know. I mean it's like a whole
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: different deal. So I've been there but not really had
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: a great time though. Do you think it surprising? Most
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: is um um. I can't remember what happened, but I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: had to go down and get a prescription for something,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: and it was like sixty six cents including my doctor's
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: visit for xannex whatever they got going on, whatever they
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: got going on for the medical plan. I think it's
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: highly subsidized by tourists, Like when something happens, they don't
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: charge any money. I get all my cody and coughs
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: are up there. Yeah, like I got like a like
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: an antibiotic or something that I can't remember. And uh,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: I mean so long ago, it's thirteen years ago, but
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: I do remember. Oh, you know, we didn't talk about seth.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: What the freaking squirrel hides? Man? Oh, I'm laying here
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: to as a reminder. Do you squirrel hunt a lot? Yeah? Yeah?
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: What do you use? Do you ever tie a fly
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: called a squirrel tail? Is that a fly? Is here?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: The squirrel hair leeches? There's there's one called the red
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: squirrel nimph, that's a good one. I used red squirrel
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: all My roommate and graduate school would tie flies for money.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: He would have contracts to sell them, and he would
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: now and then he didn't hunt, but he would now
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: and then accompany me to go out to shoot pine squirrels.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: And then you take her fur and put in a
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: coffee grinder and make flies with it, make dubbing out
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: of it. Well, actually, pine squirrel, just the pelt is like,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: it's an amazing leech pattern. I've used that, I've exactly,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: I've used that a lot. I was use mink, which
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: is totally underrated for mouse patterns. I do a ton
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: of mousing in mid day, by the way, which really
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: they always tell you, oh, mousing is for you know,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: spring creek at full two in the morning. Bullshit, try
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: it at noon. I'm not no, No, I'm serious. I'm serious.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Swing a mouse pattern. I probably shouldn't say it. Just
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: cast across forty five degrees, let it hang down, drag
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: awake behind it. It's insane, what I mean, it's crazy.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: And you only get about three casts and then it's
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: like they're not taking it. Fine, move on to something else.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: But I would say, at least fifty percent time mid day,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: the biggest trout in the pool will be like, holy shit,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: and you hook up every single time. I've done that
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: all over the world and river in the middle of
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: the night too, totally or waiting through a muckey. I mean,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: I've done this like Silver Creek or you know and
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: I or whatever. You know, it's like famous for midnight mousing.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: No mid day. Well, you know we saw that was
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about the squirrels some our times. That beautiful
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: job that it's gonna start a podcast called Squirrel Greefe Podcast.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna send him in a panther Martin and
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: get your money? No, these are for a different project. Uh,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: these are for a friend of ours who's a squirrel enthusiast.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: We're gonna send him a black phase, eastern gray, gray phase,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: eastern gray. Sure fox squirrel. We're gonna send him the
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: whole he's a squirrel enthusiast, but somehow he doesn't have
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: squirrel hides. So you take the guard hairs out of
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: this and that's like amazing taste stuff. Don't touch that one. Sorry,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: you can look at it, touch it, but just don't
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: pluck anything for a guy named Guy we had. We
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: had to do a guy named guys up. I did
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: this morning show for four years. We had this guy
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: come on once who like worked at some bald eagle preserve.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of bald eagles where we live.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: They eat my troad and so I deeply resent them.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: But whatever, So he has this bald eagle in the set.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: They're incredibly nasty animals. I've never seen one up close,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: but they're really hostile, and I think this is the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: burden new I didn't like it, and he was like
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: angry at me, and at one point he jumps up
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: and he loses a tail feather, so I snatched up think.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you're not allowed to have that.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: Only Native Americans can have it. It's a federal okay, right, Okay,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: got it, So I bring it home. I took it
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: and tied too wet flies out of it to soft tackles,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: and those were the single most effective for salmon I've
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: ever fished. Bald eagle. We did. I can't here if
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: we had him on, we had award none uh, And
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: we raised that question with them, and he has he
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: had this guy we had had on twice in his
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: career issued citations for what you're talking about. There were
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: egregious examples. The one, he's sitting at a stoplight and
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: the guy next to him has his rear view mirror
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: adorned with raft or feet, so he pulled him over
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: to have a chat. The other one, he's leaving the
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: grocery store and it happens to be walking by a
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: truck and sees that the guy has a like a
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: small truckload of rafter carcasses, and so he waited for
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: him to come out of the grocery store to have
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: asked asked him a few questions, but he said, like, yes,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: it's true. What those are The two times I was
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: compelled to like follow up, Well, you can't be stupid.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Whenever I eat California condor, I grill it indoors because
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: it's just too provocative to put it on the barbecue.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: What was that? We're on? Squirrels talk about time, all
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: kind of flies? What do you shoot squirrels with? What
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: do you what do you think of it? It does
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: too much damage? Man? But but now I have a
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: game point, like solid point. I do like it, but um,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: it doesn't I own one and like it. But I
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: fund the emma never got as cheap as they promised
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: it would. You haven't noticed, you should go to the
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: media dot com and read a caliber battle I actually
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: have on caliver. So tell me what this is. I'm
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: not gonna tell you gonna use this to drive traffic.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Let me teach you something about media, Tucker, Now we
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: can we could use this here platform to send people
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: to another one of our platforms. Sorry, he's like, you know,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: indictments were made against two senators and to find out
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: to go to my article see me on TikTok. So
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: we have a caliber ballot's about the twenty two long
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: rival versus the seventeen h m R you can find
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: on the meat eator dock. Seriously, is that even a like? So,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: what what are the measurements you're using? He uses because
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: I shoot them both. We measure in three categories ballistics, shootability,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: and versatility and cost. I mean it's you factored in
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: the readily the abundance of two to three in low cost.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: I read the article. Yes, that's correct. Shootability means more
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: than just like the recoil or the availability of AMMO
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: or an actual word. It is on the Mediator dot com.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: And you know who's great with this series that we do, Garrett.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: He is a good resource for our writer Jordan Stillers.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Jordan has a question about uh using a twenty two
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: to fifty on a white tailed deer, he will shoot,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: get an email, and Garrett always has the answer, what
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: do you think of that fifty on a white tail? Uh?
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, Like, sure you can do, but
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: I agree, I completely agree. I completely agree. Two fifties.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: Are you think it's okay amazing on white tail? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: it's It's kind of like the whole argument with like
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: six five three hundreds. You know, how could you hunt
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: in elk with a six five until you've shot an
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: elk with a six five three hundred, and it's very cis.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: People are like obsessed. I can't handle any more caliber,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: so I haven't gotten one. But it's like for good
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: reason you're saying you like, yeah, man, they're legal rights,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: They're just they're moving so fast. When that bullet expands,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: when it hits, it's very catastrophic. Like it's same like
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: I said, six If you've never shot one one a
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Weatherby's cartridges, you're shooting elk with one of those and
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: you're it's just like whoa, that's it's way harder than
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: like people are gonna hate this, but like then my
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: win meg kind of relate. Yeah, as far as it
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: comes out of it comes out of the barrel and
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: a thousand feet faster than than your barrel life though,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many rounds can you put? Like two
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: thousand and then you're done. Yeah, but they make your
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: gun live ab as long as a smoker. It's totally right.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: But it also has to do with like all that
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: is is heat, right, So it has to do with
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: how you shoot your gun. If you went out with
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: the six fifty and shot you know, a box of
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Ammo through it, and you just sort of wrapping rounds,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: then yeah, it's gonna anyway at this point, right, Yeah,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: well you'd have to be sponsored. It's not too bad.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: I'm serious. I but I got I mean I shoot
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot, and I think about that.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: In fact, I even got an eight million in mouser
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: because I buy a lot of Kurosa primary ammo because
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: it's super cheap, like you know, Turkish am a Greek
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: ammo from nine forty. It's like I don't give a ship.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: I'll clean my barrel with Windex. The gun costs four
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks, do you know what I mean? And I
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: can shoot and I actually like the round, but I'm
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: not going to get a six five creed More because
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: really I'm paying or three even three in a blackout
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get. I wanted to get a Supressor
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: in blackout because my friend was one is such a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: fun gun. So I'm not going to buy that AMMO
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: because it just bums me out. It's every bowling pin
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: that's like I shoot is two dollars or something. No thanks, Yeah,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: it's just a lot of Yeah, they're popular because they're good.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: They are good, we're shootability by Tucker Carlson. I'm just
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: saying the cost of AMMO. I was shooting a three
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: way the other day, which I really like. I like mine.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: I actually have a I see your left handed left
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: hand and butts the only rifle I have a left
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: hand and bolt on it, and I like it. But
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, how much is a three weight round? Now? Like?
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: What is it? What does it called? Yeah? Very but
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I shoot but all my god, all my bolk right
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: hand because that's where they all come from. I was
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: in my thirties before I had one, and I couldn't
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: get used to it. I initially didn't like it when
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: I got a left hand bolt. Do you know why
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: I bought my I've only had one, it's my three eight,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: because it was cheaper. Honestly, no one wants a left
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: hand bolt I just bought. I just bought a new
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: seventeen HMR that you ever shoot the Ruger seventy seven
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: like the model, and I've got it in three seven.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: It's like probably my favorite rightfalities, absolutely, and I just
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: loved the action on it. So I saw one in
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: seventeen and I was like, I just can't resist. And
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: it was pretty cheap, but it was right handed, and
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: I liked it better than the left but it's cheap anyway.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: I just think the cast had one of My brother
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Danny has it now in Alaska, really because it was
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: right handed. Once Motime made to switch the left handed.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Oh so you're all about that now? Now I'm Joe
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: left hand. I mean, I've always been left handed, but
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: now I got used to, Like, I got over the
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: impulse to lower the guns, switch hands, work the bowl,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: which is once I got over it. Now I would
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: never go back. But at first I'll just very because
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: we shot hand me downs, Like you grew up shooting
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: hand me down right hand. That's exactly how I grew up.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: And now I have so many right handed bolt action
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: rifles that I would like, what am I going to
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: do with them? All? You know what I mean? So
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: I have to stick with them. Yeah, we're going on caliber's. Yeah,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: we got a covering. Yeah, hey, walk walk me through.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Um uh oh, you know there's nothing I want to
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: ask you. First. Do you argue about politics of your kids?
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  Speaker 1: Not once, not one time. We don't talk politics at
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: home ever, ever, not one time. I raised my kids
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: in Northwest DC and Washington, d C. In the city,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: and Washingtons are very I have to say. I mean,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: it's a very screwed up place, and I'm glad I
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: don't live there anymore. But I spent many years the
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: decades there and it's a very pretty city. I mean,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: we lived right on a National park. You would not
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: know you were in a city. It's like it's a
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: it's a nice place stories kids, if you're going to
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: do it in a city, but you're right in the
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: middle of all this political drama. And because you are
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: Washington had this pretty wonderful culture of nonpartisanship in the neighborhoods.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: So you live next to people because it's a trans
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: and city, so it's like people coming into work for
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: this administration that administration. The neighborhood that we lived in
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: and raised our kids in was like the permanent people
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: who stayed and because you're around it all day, you
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: just didn't talk about it at all. We would never
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: talk politics. In fact, it was like forbidden. You don't
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: bring that ship up at a dinner party. And you
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people with dinner party go over
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: someone's house for dinner. That was very common every weekend.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: And like my neighbor was Hunter Biden's business partner, and
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: then Hunter Biden lived right down the street. You know,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: we would never had many dinners with Hunter Biden. Always
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: liked him. Our wives were good friends and we never
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: talk politics one time ever ever. And you extended that
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: into your and my wife was always pretty resolutely non political.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Um she's from Michigan, talks just like you the car
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: and the park and um. And she was always kind
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: of liberal but kind just not you know, just nice person,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um, she got way more political when
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: in Tifa showed up at her house. Uh, that kind
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: of radicalized her a little bit. But but we just
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: never weve gotten had never talked about I mean, I
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: don't think I've talked about my job with my kids
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: a single time at dinner, not one time. And they
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: sort of dimly were aware of what I did. But then,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: you know, we lived in a neighborhood with you know,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: senators and ambassadors and everyone has a kind of high
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: profile sort of political job in the world that they
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: grew up in and so and there are a lot
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: of famous people, and so my kids were just like,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: they don't like that stuff. They don't like politics. Um, No,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: we never talked about it. And because it felt a
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: little bit like if you're a porn star, would you
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: come home and be like, yeah, you'll never gets what
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: I did today? You just like, wouldn't. It's just kind
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: of not for kids. That's how we always felt. And
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think you should politicize your kids,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: Like what is that you know? They don't know? What
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: do they know? They don't you know, they're not married,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: they don't have their own children, they don't pay taxes.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: They don't. They can't even vote, so like that are
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: getting them involved. I do find it hard with them,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: um and deal with my own kids when you talk
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: about politicizing, because something will come up and it's like
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: extremely complicated, and they'll pick up a sentiment and I
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: almost one of them be like, no, even though that's
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: a sentiment I just expressed, don't have that sentiment, well
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: kind of because there's a whole lot of things that
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: went into that sentiment, and so just don't like how
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: old are your children? Don't ride your bike? Uh, six
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: eight and eleven? So I think if I were raising
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: my kids now, thank god I'm not. They're all out
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: of the house and all sort of happy and well adjusted.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: But if I were raising them now, I would push
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: back against this ship because they are they are. There
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: are totally unscrupulous people who are trying to politicize kids.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: And I don't almost don't care what your political views are.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Stay the funk away from children. I mean that, like,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? You know, you're not allowed to
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: have sex with children. You shouldn't be allowed to politicize
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: you know, their children, like stop And people are so
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: aggressive in the world that I use to live in
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: about throwing propaganda in your kids faces and laying these
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: heavy duty moral trips on them and all the stuff
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: that is so wrong that I think that if I
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: had kids in like sixth grade, and they were coming
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: home and saying stuff and be like, you know, fuck
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: your teachers, honestly, fuck your teachers. Excuse me, sorry, Like
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: I feel that way really strongly. I think it's like,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: it's so immoral to do that to someone who can't
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: fight back over whom you have power. Teachers have power
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: over kids. They can't disagree, Like, who would do something
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: like that. You're not able to captive audience, I think that, yeah,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: and you're not able to give the full they're they're
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: not equipped to understand like all the steps that got
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: there exactly. So when you introduce, like when you introduce
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: even contemporary subjects to them, um, you lose sight of
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: the fact that you're carrying behind you sort of like
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: decades worth of understanding the evolution of ideas, and then
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you just deliver them. They'd be like,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: you're giving them the answer without showing them the work.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: That's a really smart analogy, and I I recoil from it.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: But then I also don't want them to be like
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want them to be naive and idiots. Well,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: kids also have a hair trigger sense of moral outrage.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: All children do. It's very easy to exploit. So it's
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: very easy to tell kids there's a right side and
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: a wrong side. The wrong side is im moral, the
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: right side is virtuous, and kids will buy it. Kids
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: are extremely judgmental because they're not aware of their own
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: shortcomings because they haven't failed yet. So your average fifty
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: two year old, which is where I find myself, it's
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit harder to judge because you're like, you know,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: I kind of get I disagree with what you're doing,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: but I kind of get why you're doing it, or
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: in that circumstances, maybe I would do the same. You're
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: you're less judgmental as you age because you understand how
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: incredibly complex life is and decisions are hard to wise,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: decisions are hard to reach, and sometimes people fail and
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: you've failed, and you know, as my father Sho said,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: I was a kid, the root of all wisdom is
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: knowing what an asshole you are, And as you age,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: you appreciate what an asshole you are. Kids do appreciate that,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: and so you can turn them into the camera rousion
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: about twenty minutes and the cameras literally did this with
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: kids that'd be like, you know, you know, here's an
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: a K forty seven. Those are the bad guys, go
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: kill them. They're like okay. And so to exploit that
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: weakness in children strikes me as especially dishonorable. It really
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: really did. I'm like so offended by it, I can't
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: even And by the way it, you know, it goes.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: That's saying that the politics that kids are being exposed
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: to are not my politics. But even if they were,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: I would disagree with it. I just I'm just liberal
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: in a traditional sense that way. I think we should
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: keep kids out of it. I really do uh talk
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: talk through when you get involved in something like pebble mind,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: like on your show, I mean, you gotta be like
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: inundated with all like every issue on the planet, right,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: And here's the one that probably um wasn't like it
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't in the news cycle, you know, on a national sense.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like it wasn't sort of like driving the
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: day's news, right, but you you kind of like hit
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: on a thing like this an address and had people
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: come talk about it and it's not a ratings play. No, no,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: it's definitely not my press. Like really Bristol Bay a
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: lask like what the salmon spawn come on? How often
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: do you get like how often do you do a
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: thing where you bring a thing up that that is
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: sort of dovetailed with your personal Like you don't do
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: a fishing report every night? You're interesting fishing? Well, you know,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: I try not, And this is something else you fight
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: against his u h. I try not to be boorish,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: Like if you had given me any leash at all,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: I would have bored you about fly tying for like
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: an hour because I can't control myself. You know, how
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: do you wrap the hackle? That's not the right way
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: to palmer, Like, I could actually get stultifying on the subject,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: but you pull yourself back, so you try try to
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: be self aware and like, just because your interesting doesn't
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: mean other people are and whatever, So I pull back
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: a lot. I have all kinds of weird obsessions um,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: mostly having to do with hunting and fishing and nature
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: and animals. Dogs. I'm really we have four dogs. They
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: sleep on the bed, four spaniels you know, like, so
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I could do like a dog show, but not everyone else,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Not everyone thinks like springers and English cockers are as
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: endlessly fascinating as I think they are. Literally exactly. I
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: literally looked at pictures of my spaniels on the plane
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: today flying here. That's how obsessed him. But I don't
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I don't want to impose that in my audience because
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: they're not as interested as I am. But occasionally there's
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: there's a subject that the emotion comes welling up in
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: such a way that I can't pull it back, and
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: destroying the largest salmon spawning ground in the world because
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: some Canadian copper company wants more, you know, no, And
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: I just felt like that crossed a line in my mind.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: And it does match up with something that I try
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: to introduce as a concept a lot, which is the
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: more that people, especially I'm just gonna say it, I
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: am one of them, but the more that rich people
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: virtue signal about the environment and the earth, the more
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: they tend to kind of degrade the environment in the earth.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: The more we talk about climate and I'm not anying
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: the existence of climate change at all, It's clear to me.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, the more we focus on that,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: the more I noticed that, like the places I fish
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: become dirtier and there's more garbage by the side of
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: the stream, Like whatever happened to stopping littering, Like if
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: you can't stop littering, then you're failing as a conservationist,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Like because littering is despoiling the environment and stuff like that.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: I just I really feel strongly about that. And air
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: and water quality is like the most basic level of conservation.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: There's nothing theoretical about it. If the water is too
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: dirty for the fish to live, you're guilty of a crime.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. It's super simple, and
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: we can measure that. It's not hard to know whether
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: that's happening. You know, we don't need some scientific model. Well,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: really is the hockey stick real? Like what was the
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: temperature in medieval Europe? We don't need to guess about
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: water quality. We can find out immediately and we can
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: look at the fishery and the health of the fishery
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: and you know, d D T. We didn't need to
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: guess that it was killing birds of prey because suddenly
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: there are fewer birds of prey. Like we knew that
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: the shells were getting thinner, and you know, Rachel Carson
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: was right, Okay, so we stopped you anyway, you see
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: my point. So on that subject, it was like, you know,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not against mining, I'm not against extraction. I'm not
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: against medals. As a shooter. You know, I go through
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of copper, so I'm I'm for copper. Copper. Yeah,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: I have jars and pennies in my closet, so you know,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not against copper. But it's a balance. You know,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: there are coppers found in a lot of different places,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: and like, how about we don't destroy this very rare place.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: And I was just in this weird circumstance or no
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: fault on my own, where I had some small man,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: I'm a talk show host, I'm not elected to anything.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: I have no actual power. But there was just this
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: weird confluence of events where I did have some measure
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: of influence on this one specific thing. Yeah, it was timed,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: I mean it was timed right. Yeah. And again, my
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: job is just to explain what I think the news means.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: It's a really simple job. My job is not to
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: change the world old it's not to make you know,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: lead a movement or anything like that. I mean, I
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: have a very narrowly defined job description in my head.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: What's going on in the world, what does it mean?
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's my whole job. And I write my
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: script every I write my open every night. I'm gonna
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: write it after the show. And that's what I brewed
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: on him. I'm basically a writer that I'm not basically,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: I'm literally a writer. That's my job. So I don't
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: see myself as like waking up every morning to make
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: the world better, you know, save some fishing spot that
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: I happened to like. But it just so happened that,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I had the for a fleeting second, the
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: power to have a small effect on this one thing
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: that I cared about, and so I did. I tried
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: to make a habit of that. I'm not an activist.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: On the opposite of an activist, what's the opposite of
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: an activist? I like to watch. I'm a voyeur. I
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: started as a print journalist. My dad was a print journalist.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: Like he. My dad had politics. I have politics. But
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: ultimately you're job is to is to just sit quietly
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: and watch things and try and figure out what they mean.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: And tell people what happened. I mean, I really feel
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: that way. But what was so interesting about that moment
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: in time, over the course of how long the back
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: and forth of pebble mind has been going, was, uh,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: the activists from all corners of the activist world said,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: holy shit, even Tucker Carlson's talking about this. People are
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: so dumb. It's like, even Carls and what, I'm on
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: the side of some Canadian copper mine, Like, why would
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: I be on that side? And I like Canada. I
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: fished a lot in Canada, I used to have property
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: in Canada, But like, why would I necessarily be on
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: that side. It's just just how dumb people are. They're like, well,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: you must be for this. Well, no, actually I'm not.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: You know where people have assumption. I don't really care
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: what people think of me. Obviously you can't be this
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: hated if you care, and I really don't. But I'm
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: always kind of amazed by the assumption that people have,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: well you must think this, will know, why would I
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: think that? No, I really don't. And on the just
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: because I don't have any weird mystical reason, but I
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: I just really enjoy the outdoors. I have my whole life,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: and I have my views on actual environmental stuff are
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: definitely more on the radical side. I just you know,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think that we should ban wood stoves because
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: of climate change so like, but that doesn't mean I mean,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I think some of the climate stuff is
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: is a pure power grab. And I noticed because I
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: lived there for thirty years. I know a lot of
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: the people involved in it, and you know, they don't
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: ever go outside like ever. They know nothing about the
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: natural world. And you're lecturing me on the environment. Really,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: you know, who do There's another agenda here, and it's
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: a political agenda. It's politics, of course, so there's a
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: political agenda. But the pure conservation environmentalist agenda is something
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: I buy one hundred percent. Why wouldn't I? I I love nature,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: It's at the center of my life. You saying you
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: mentioned um Rachel Carlson. Rachel Carson made me think of
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow. You guys lined up at some point in
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: your career. Is at a news organization when you're young? Yeah,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: I hired her. Actually, Um, I had a show. There
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: was a period when MSNBC didn't sort of know what
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: it was. I had just I've beenn't seeing n for
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: a long time. Um, I hated them. They were just
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: so loathsome Oh my god, they're like the worst people.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: Was like the collection of the worst people in the world,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: all worked in one place, made it convenient to avoid
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: it was it was, it was, And ultimately I laughed
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: and MS was trying to rebrand as like a more
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: populous I don't know what. They didn't really know what
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: they wanted, but they made me the lead anchor there.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: I was later fired for low ratings. It didn't work. Um,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: but while I was there, I wanted someone to debate,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to like that's what you guys
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: link up was. Yeah. So I went through. We actually
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: had all these tapes from different agents like people, well
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: you should hire my client or whatever. And I got
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: to hers and I was like, Wow, this woman is
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: really smart and she's a she's a linear thinker. She'd
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: be like, Okay, if this happens, then that happens. She wasn't.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: She was very rational in her debate STYT, which I love,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: and she's a nice person and so we brought her on.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: We hired her to do this debate segment, and I
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: thought she was great. I always got along with her.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: Um in later life she got obsessed with fishing. That's
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask about fishing. Yes, I knew
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: that you guys had had some overlap at a news organization,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: and I knew she liked to fish. I was curious,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: if you guys are like, just like a funny play fishing.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: Well it was well, Actually what happened was she wasn't
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: into fishing when she was a radio host actually on
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: this like progressive UH network Air America that later went
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: to FUNCTI. I remember that wasn't l frank and Franken
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: started it exactly and it was just a different time,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: you know, where you could have friends with different views.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: That it was like a satellite show right right exactly,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: a big serious or whatever the hell. And she was
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: not into fishing. I was. In fact, one of the
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: reasons I got fired was I would like fish too
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: much and not do my work. I was incredibly lazy
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: and and tight old at the time. Getting fired makes
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: you less lazy and entitled. But I would literally this
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: show was shot in a warehouse in Cea Caucus, New Jersey,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: which is like it's it's where it's like a post
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: industrial wastee. It's where all the slaughter houses words right
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: outside the city, on the other side of the Lincoln Tunnel.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: It's truly unattractive, but they're all these retaining ponds there,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: and so I would always bring my fly rod and
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: just like bass fish before the show. And anyway, I
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: ultimately got fired because people see you on TV, is
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: that's safe to assume you were fishing within twenty four hours?
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: First of all? For sure? Well, now I mean I live.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: I mean I live on an island in a lake
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: where you know, fish rise off my dock, so it's
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: pretty easy. But anyway, I got fired, and she became
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: the star of the network, which she still is. That
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: was fifteen at least fifteen years ago, and she went
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: on to serious startum and she's like one of the
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: most influential people in the Democratic Party. Then she got
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: into fishing, and then she got into fishing and she
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: is she told me this, and I'm I'm probably gonna
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: butcher this, but I think was a friend of her said,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: you're under a lot of stress. You should go out
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: into New York Harbor. There's pretty good striper fishing certain
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: times a year, and you should pick up a fly
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: rod and see if you can take one on a popper,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: And she did after the show, like at night, which
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: is pretty crazy also kind of dangerous actually to be
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: fishing in New York Harbor at night, you know. But whatever,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: But she got really really into it, like obsessed as
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: people do with the fly rod, you know, something about
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: the action of loading a rod. It's like one of
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: the coolest sort of experiences in physics here, just like
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: how does that happen? You know? Anyway, she got really
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: into it, and we've always gotten along. I've never criticized her.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: I think she's totally sincere. You know, we just have
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: different views, which has always been fine. We've never fished,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: you know, and she lives. I wanted. I wanted to
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: hear that. You guys, we never did, and I'm sure
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: that we will because um some of the guys that
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: UM tr CP know her. Well. I just never go
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: anywhere because like why would I. So I go to
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: I go to Montana and Alaska and that's about it.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you about a current event d thing. UM,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're up on it or not.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: If you're not, you don't have to. UM. No, apologies necessary,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: but they did. So they voted on if you don't
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: know this by now, like, we don't really, we don't
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: release these the day we make them. Anyways, today, whatever
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: the hell today is Thursday. It was a stone manning
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: the BLM. Biden's tapped the person he tapped to head
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: the BLM. You familiar with the story at all? Yep?
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: Someone an earth first person or yeah, seemingly layout. So
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: so they we're texting about this morning. It's it's undecided.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: It was like, but how is it a toss up?
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: It's not a fifty to fifty toss up. It's like
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: a five to five toss up. No, the Senate Committee
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: on Energy and Natural Resources voted. It was split along
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: party lines. So stri party lines, Um, so the vote
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: will go to the full Senate. This is a really
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: tricky one, man, it is I agree, lay it out,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: just lay a layout. Who not the if stansor butts.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: When Tracy Stone manning Biden's pick his nominee for the
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: head of BLM Bureau of Land Management, Uh, she is
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: or was at National Wildlife Federation, I believe is that
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: that is right now? Okay? Um, in her younger days
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: and this apparently was on record uh throughout her career,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: but now is much more much more on topic is
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: University Montana ble Steve and I went to the University
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: of Montana for stance Um. She was involved with earth First.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: Uh and like a radical group of Earth First, not
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: as a high schooler, as a graduate student, as a
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: graduate So you're getting up into you're getting up into
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: being like a sentient beings. Ben, being a sentient being.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: Your parents shouldn't be coming in wave and a finger
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: and being like now you know better? Right, So you're like, yeah,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: you're well into your twenties. Yes, and uh, this this
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: group of Earth first 's uh, there's a logging operations
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: set set to go over the hill and the clear water.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: Um they were protesting that. Uh. Within that group, they
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: decided in order to protest this, they were going to
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: spike trees, which is the act of driving some sort
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: of a rod into a tree that when a chainsaw
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: bar and chain hit that can have some catastrophic destructive
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: repercussions potentially with chunks of metal flying places. And you
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: know it's it's a situation that can get somebody hurt. Yeah,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: well I know that A I don't even know where
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: I just read it in relation to this story that
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: a mill at least one known mill worker was killed
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: from a blade hitting us an intentionally placed spike in
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: in this situation or just in the history of it
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: was like giving a round up on spiking how it's
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: generally used to be that like done in the way
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: you're gonna lay out people spike and they go like, hey,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: heads up, don't even bother their spike. You wouldn't. Not
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't. Um, you could also spike it not
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: tell anybody, which is I'm not trying to one better
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: than the other, but like worse than spiking is spiking
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: and not telling anyone. You'd be like the I E.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: D or a land mine would be like the contemporary equivalent.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: I would say, I don't. I don't think that's too
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: much of a stretch. You're hiding something that's gonna blow
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: up in somebody's face. Um. Now, the two sides of this,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: from what I understand is, uh, Tracy stone Manning has
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: been uh called like part of the group no knew
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: about the tree spiking, very involved. And then the other
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: side would be that she just retyped a letter for
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: the group and was in fact, like not that involved,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: but attached to it. And she turned state's evidence on
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: the tree spikers, the folks that actually committed the act
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: of tree spiking. And I think too the guys went
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: to prison, um for pretty good stance. You know, I'm
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: not mistake. And it was they wrote. Ah, it's described
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: um that subscribed in news articles as profanity laced. Uh.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: They wrote a profanity laced letter to the Forest Service saying, hey,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: we spiked the trees for some reason. I'll never understand this,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: and only the people involved would know. She transcribed it.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: She typed a hand she typed a handwritten letter and
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: turned the letter in later. UM. Her story was that, oh,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: I was notifying them, like giving them the heads up.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: And in another way to look at it would be
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: that you were complicit and it was part the plan
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: to do it and tell people, and so you were
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: part of it. You weren't like calling nine on one.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: And I think she's trying to recast it as more
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: of like a nine one one call rather than a
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: I l part of all part of the plan call. Yeah.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: And I have, like I've transcribed plenty of stuff, and
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: I don't always do it without adding my own little right.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, there's there's parts of that
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: that I I just it's hard to say. But um,
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: so there's this. We can say that she's an eco terrorist,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: um or we can say she's just caught up in
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: the wrong crowd. But like the over arching thing here
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: is like it did happen a long time ago, thirty
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: years but we know that no one cares. There's no
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: statutal limitations on anything anymore. Minute right, Um, but she's
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: had a long career and has pretty darn good marks
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: as far as like her willingness to work with different
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: groups and uh, you know, comple eat objectives on behalf
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: of wild places throughout her career. Yeah. I don't buy
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: the thirty year thing because if someone made you could
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: make an off color joke thirty years ago and still
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: lose your career. So the fact that you commit like uh,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: like you are are are not involved in in an
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: act of terrorism, Like I don't think it would term out.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's tricky. It's like I don't I try
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: to reading this morning, I try to get an opinion.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: I can't make a good opinion. I can't make a
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: good opinion, Like, I don't know, it's very tricky for
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: the Biden administration because here's like, oh, it's like, uh,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: it's radicalized domestic terrorism. And you've always been talking about
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: that a whole bunch about not liking that, blaming me
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean a bunch of
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: different lean. First of all, I'm in Montana, So let
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: me just say, because I think it's required, I hate
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: peeling Bureau of Land. Man. Actually I don't hate pealing,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: but I know that there I've had some intense conversations
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: about Bureau of Land Management fishing out here. People are
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: very strong feelings about them. Holy smokes. So as far
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: as like if they're running their cattle out, whether they've
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: been managing whenever the public land. Well, I'm not gonna
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: get involved. This is not my region of the purity um.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: But man, some people hate them, you know. I'd say
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of things. One, you know, they're hiring a
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: lot of radicals, like actual radicals, which freaks me out
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: because I'm one thing, I'm not as radical. I believe
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: in kind of incremental progress. I mean, I believe in nature,
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: which doesn't know, there's something radical about nature it's like, no,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: they're there, big time radical. That guy's a freaking But
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: in this case, I have a bunch of different feelings. One,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: I live in a region that is defined by logging,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: you know, lumber and paper mills. That's what you know,
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: that's what it is. And I think the the threat
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: to forests is not Wherehouse or Meade I p you know,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: it's not the traditional paper companies, the land management companies.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: It's the selling off of the physical assets of a
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: lot of these companies to private equity firms like Beirut,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: the Yale Endowment, the University Endowment. And the problem is
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: they whack the ship out of the land. And you know,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: your traditional like the Pingree family in Maine, which they
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: own like a million acres of land they have for
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty years, like they cut carefully because
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: that's you know, it's their land. But when you disaggregate
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: this stuff, it creates incentives for people just to come
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: in and just rape the land. And I'm against that.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a way to manage a forest that's
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: good for everybody. And if the then gets chopped up
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: into really small places and sold off, then it's a
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: huge problem, like we don't get the forest back ever,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: thank you. So there are real concerns about how to
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: manage forest, especially around fires. There's like an endless conversation
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: that I'm super interested in because I live in the
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: middle of a forest. But not to be boring, but
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: so I think it's worth having a debate about how
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: do we do this some of the the radicals you
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: know on this subject, I am kind of sympathetic with
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: making trees is ridiculous because first of all, who's it hurt?
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: The working man, the most despised suffering group in America.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: The people are dying of fentinelods, the people who live
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: near me all. You know, every man in my county
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: has worked in the woods, as they say, in me
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: at one point or another. I had a chainsaw blow
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: up in me two years ago. I over sharpened the chain,
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: you know those I don't know if you ever sharpened
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: a chainsaw chain, but the files are incredibly sharp and
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: you can weaken the chain if you're not paying attention.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't have my glasses and I was and the
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: thing I was making a cut at shoulder height and
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: the chain broke and nothing happened. Actually it was totally fine,
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: but it scared the ship out of me. So like
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: the idea people can get really hurt, but you're on
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: a chance, say you had your your pro I didn't.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't know I had. Actually, honestly, I had those
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: whatever the stupid cheap ear protection that Hiccock forty five wears.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just like the strap around because it
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: does hurt your ears. And I didn't even have glasses
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: on because it was like long story, but when it blops, no,
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: I did flip flog, but it was but it was
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: just scary. Anyway, I'm very sympathetic, Like spiking trees hurts
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: exactly the wrong people if you're mad about what Warehouser's doing,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: taken up with the head of Warehouser and but not
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: the man who's cutting the trees. Absolutely, And that's but
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: that's like one of the things that I battle with
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: on this conversation. That But it's also like the mark
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: of a stupid kid, where it's like, have you ever
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: met a logger that is logging because they hate trees.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: I've been around a lot along me too, and they
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: love trees and they can talk about trees forever. I mean,
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: I have a guy who is one of my closest
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: friends in Maine. It was was longer alas like, but
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: he can bore you for like three hours and did
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: the other night just on hemlock. You know. The thing
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: about hemlock is I mean, and I'm not exaggerating, like
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: they love trees and you know everything about trees, and
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: now they have Feller bunchers where I live. So it's
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: like you're sitting inside a cab, you know, cutting ten
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: trees at once. There's no you know, spiking is not
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: because skinners and chainsaws are gone. Actually they're not a
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: part of industrial loging anymore. But the point is hitting
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: the guy on the ground who's making a wage. Really,
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: if you're doing that, you're the exactly the kind of
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: person I hate, which is a morally inflamed, out of touch,
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: rich college kid with head up his ass, Like that's
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: the wrong way to approach whatever you think the problem
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: is is hurting the wager on or at the bottom
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: of the food chain. I just hate that. But I
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: do think that we should have a real conversation about
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: forest management, and we're not because we're only about climate.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: I'm again, I'm not saying climate's not an issue. I
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: think it is, but like we have actual solvable issues.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: You know, how do you manage a forest? The beetle
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: kill it killed me. Forest management and climate change are
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: like very dovetailed. They are, they are, but climate change,
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: like climate change, is more real than the solutions to
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: climate change. So my problem the climate change is not
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: does it exist or whatever? I mean, it's hard to measure,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: but to something sense, it's measurable. And as someone who
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: loves to snowshoe, it's clearly something's going on where I snowshoe. Okay,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: I get it. But what do we do about it?
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: Is the real question, And that's a highly politicized question,
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: the nuanced question with a lot of unknowns. What's not
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: unknown is why the water quality sucks, or you know,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: if Beirut is somehow you know, selling off paper company
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: land for condos on Moosehead, Like I think we can
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: be against that. I guess that's my point. So like,
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: let's start with the things that we can actually affect
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: that have known solutions, Like why not start there? Like
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: how about no more throwing McDonald's bags at your window?
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: How about when you come to this country, the first
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  Speaker 1: thing you learned. We're totally welcome to have you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm pro immigrant personally. We don't litter here. And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, if you literal were gonna cut your hands
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  Speaker 1: off because you're not allowed to do that. No littering,
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  Speaker 1: like no littering, just no littering. That would cut down
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  Speaker 1: on littering. Well, when I was a kid growing up
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  Speaker 1: in California, littering was like the worst thing you could do.
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  Speaker 1: You know. The sexual ethics in the world I lived
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  Speaker 1: in were very loose. I would say, you could have
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  Speaker 1: sex with anybody. But throwing a beer can out a
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  Speaker 1: window there was the crying Indian. Remember that because remember,
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  Speaker 1: like littering was bad. I still feel that way. Don't
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  Speaker 1: wreck the land, you don't throw ship on the land,
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  Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? They recreated that scene
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  Speaker 1: in Wayne's world too, Spencer, if that's closer. But if
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  Speaker 1: I've got a fifty gallon druma used motor oil, maybe
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  Speaker 1: don't pour it in the stream where I live. The
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  Speaker 1: paper companies they have, you know, they send the cruise in.
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  Speaker 1: You can't cut in the spring because it's too wet.
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  Speaker 1: You can't get the machines in there. Um so you know,
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  Speaker 1: late spring when it dries out a little bit, they'd
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  Speaker 1: send the cruise in to cut and the mosquitoes are
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  Speaker 1: so intense, it's like Alaska in western Maine, that they
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  Speaker 1: would take use motor oil and just pour it on
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  Speaker 1: the streams because it you know, mosquitoes can't lay their
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  Speaker 1: eggs and yeah, or another thing that people did where
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  Speaker 1: I live is to rustproof their cars. They drill holes
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  Speaker 1: around the top of the windows and they would pour
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  Speaker 1: use motor oil into the car are frame, get into
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  Speaker 1: the into the body of the car, and then it
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  Speaker 1: would solely drip out and that would keep your car
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  Speaker 1: from rusting. Remember that, Like that's bad, Like let's stop
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  Speaker 1: that kind of thing before we start, you know, stopping
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  Speaker 1: my woodstove. I don't know where they're at on it now.
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  Speaker 1: But there was, uh, who's the guy who's the guy
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  Speaker 1: that wrote like the no not the corrections, damn it?
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  Speaker 1: A novelist. I was reading his thing. He had to
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  Speaker 1: think about climate change, and he was looking at the
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  Speaker 1: insurmountability of of addressing the issue, and he was like
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  Speaker 1: basically pessimistic about the you know, getting like India on
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  Speaker 1: board and China on board and that do it, and
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  Speaker 1: he was like, the thing we can do is tighten
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  Speaker 1: up our program in all the areas that we can affect,
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  Speaker 1: meaning habitat preservation right clean, this is gonna go. There's
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  Speaker 1: one thing we can do, is is like batting down
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  Speaker 1: the hatches. That's how I feel, exactly know. And that
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  Speaker 1: was and it was it was the thought provoking set
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  Speaker 1: of ideas kind of like but I said, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: pessimistic or fatalistic, which is where I would you sit
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  Speaker 1: because um on that one, I just looking and be like, oh, now,
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  Speaker 1: globally like how climate change like to get the developing
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  Speaker 1: world on board, it just seems so hard to do. Man,
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  Speaker 1: So some people say, like, if it'll be, it'll wind
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  Speaker 1: up needing to be. It's gonna need to be a
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  Speaker 1: technological solution because it's not going to be that everyone
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  Speaker 1: that that globally everything, we have to revisit massive imperialism
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  Speaker 1: to get everybody on one program. And it's just harbon
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  Speaker 1: emissions are driven by industrial production and that's not what
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  Speaker 1: we do anymore. We let other countries do exactly, so
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  Speaker 1: the countries that and and global I mean, over time,
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  Speaker 1: the most powerful country in the world is the industrial
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  Speaker 1: power the country that makes the most ship has the
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  Speaker 1: most power. Was true of the UK, was true of
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  Speaker 1: the U S. It's becoming true of China. So that's
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  Speaker 1: very obvious when you look over this scope of a
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  Speaker 1: hundred years. So like, why would China say, well, we're
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  Speaker 1: just gonna de industrialize right as we're taking over the world.
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  Speaker 1: Probably not gonna happen. Same with India, same with Africa.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're cooking dinner over cow pies,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to have bottled LP gas, Like,
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  Speaker 1: why wouldn't you want that? And they do And I
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  Speaker 1: understand that. So I don't know, you need to kind
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  Speaker 1: of keep that in mind that we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: stop carbon emissions in a meaningful way until we can
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  Speaker 1: stop the industrialized, the emerging industrialized powers from building coal plants.
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  Speaker 1: And we can't because coal is just cheaper. How many
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  Speaker 1: coal plants is China build? This? Ye, I'm attacking China.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, that's their national interest. But we need
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  Speaker 1: to be honest about it. Oh, we we would have
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  Speaker 1: to ignore our history here in the United States in
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: order to but we're not going to be honest. And
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  Speaker 1: and but let me just say this, is one thing
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  Speaker 1: I am an expert on. I'm not an expert on
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  Speaker 1: global climate change. I spent a lot of time reading
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  Speaker 1: about it, but I'm not hardly an expert. Obviously, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a scientist. I'm an expert on politics. I think
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  Speaker 1: I can say that concludes of Lee. And whenever politicians
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  Speaker 1: of either party enter into a political debate, the solutions
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  Speaker 1: will be political. And by political, I mean they will
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  Speaker 1: be designed to enhance the power of the people designing
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  Speaker 1: the solutions. Sorry, that that's what it is. That's what
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  Speaker 1: politics is. How do I, yeah, exactly, how do I
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  Speaker 1: empower myself and dis empower you? And to pretend that
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  Speaker 1: because we call something science, that the rules of politics,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: which are fundamental laws that are unchanging, don't apply your
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: lying and the true but it's also true for COVID
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean COVID it's not real. It doesn't mean we
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't take precautions against our trying fight it or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: We should do all kinds of things. But the second
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  Speaker 1: politicians enter into the equation, they're overriding concern is how
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  Speaker 1: will these solutions make me more powerful? And that's just
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  Speaker 1: always true. It doesn't matter what the topic is, and
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: for the rest of us to pretend it's not because
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: someone yelled science in a crowded theater relying to ourselves
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  Speaker 1: and we're not. You know, we're not going to get
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  Speaker 1: to the wisest answer if we pretend that politicians aren't
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  Speaker 1: always acting to make themselves more powerful and us less powerful,
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  Speaker 1: because they are always that's true account. Can I get
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: an amen? Yeah? I believe you, Laz Joonan Tuck, Carlson Spence,
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: what do you need to plug? Wrote me a note
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  Speaker 1: through my computer. One last thing. We set up an
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  Speaker 1: email address called Trivia at the mediator dot com so
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: you can wait to see how it went. Wouldn't That's
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  Speaker 1: what I want. Send an email there, tell me what
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  Speaker 1: you like, tell me what you didn't like, tell me
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  Speaker 1: if there's something you think I got wrong. But most
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  Speaker 1: of all, I want you to write in with your
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  Speaker 1: own questions that you want to stump Steve and the
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  Speaker 1: crew with. And if we use your question and give
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: you a shout out on the podcast, and do you
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: want to invite their feedback about whether you should be
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: given more time and more latitude to pursue your trivia dream. Yes,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: I want you to convince Steve that this is a
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: good idea. I can't believe I lost to a clerical
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  Speaker 1: error on my own. I never, I never, I never
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  Speaker 1: finish explained what you guys are fighting about. Oh last night? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they got a real bad fight, real bad. It
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: was hard to track. Rode was more pointing out that
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  Speaker 1: you could now use a muzzleloader and flintlock. So fed up,
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  Speaker 1: she just almost left. My wife wanted to go home.
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  Speaker 1: She's so irritated. Uh. We had a debate last night.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying because we got like it wasn't clear. It
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  Speaker 1: became that Um, it turned into this is this is
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: what they got some mad about. It turned into would
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  Speaker 1: having a flintlock season at that time contribute to pushing
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  Speaker 1: more Elk off public land onto private and would they
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  Speaker 1: then return? I think that's what you guys were fighting about.
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  Speaker 1: We got into that, for sure, and Cal At one
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  Speaker 1: point Um tried to put Broody in his place, Kel
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  Speaker 1: saying I wouldn't come and tell you about wolves in Colorado,
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  Speaker 1: don't tell me about Elk and Montana. That was one
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  Speaker 1: of the lower points. That was the point him an
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  Speaker 1: asshole question. Flintlock? Is it rifle barrel or muskets, rifled
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  Speaker 1: barrel primitive like okay, traditional not in the new in
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  Speaker 1: but the lock is traditional, but the barrel is ok
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  Speaker 1: you can usually kill elk and you gotta and you
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  Speaker 1: can't use a telescope. You can't use the scope. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it was it was the reason. Here's why they
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: were so testy about it. Um, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: spend a ton time. They were so testy about it
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  Speaker 1: because it's a it's a part of a longer thing.
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  Speaker 1: There's a conversation about are we pushing elk too hard?
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  Speaker 1: Too long? Yeah, that's a fair And so it was
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  Speaker 1: like this was like a proxy battle you had like
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  Speaker 1: the Soviet Union in America, right, which is like are
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  Speaker 1: we That was that? And then this was a flare
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  Speaker 1: up in Louse, you know about the flint lock that
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  Speaker 1: you guys are fighting about. Are we pushing elk too hard? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And then but it took the form of like yet
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  Speaker 1: another example of we don't even need to get that
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  Speaker 1: we do on half of the word opportunity, Like everything's
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  Speaker 1: good if we provide more opportunity. Yeah, And at a
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  Speaker 1: point it might be just you can't kill elk seven
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  Speaker 1: months out of the year and meanwhile, while folks at
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  Speaker 1: the dinner table are getting uncomfortable and with like and
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: Steve is scoring it like a boxing match. That's a
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  Speaker 1: great point, Brodie. And then Brodi would take is here
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  Speaker 1: and he said, oh, well, said Brodie, cow what he got.
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  Speaker 1: But does anyone think it's kind of I mean, to
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  Speaker 1: shoot an elk with a frontlock does seem like kind
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  Speaker 1: of sporting. That's the problem with the end of the
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: argument is like, what do you gotta get flat? Like nothing?
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  Speaker 1: If it goes into effect, I will get one and
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  Speaker 1: kill an elk withly. But what I'm saying in the
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  Speaker 1: end it was a pointless argument. So what's the range
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  Speaker 1: for effective range for pontock? We need to put it?
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  Speaker 1: Because Seth grew up in the first state to ever
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  Speaker 1: have a flint lock deer season Pennsylvania. Did you learn
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: all about this? Watch media on Netflix coming up September
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  Speaker 1: Because you're hunting white tails that go insane after they've
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: been hunted with rifles for a couple of stuff. Did
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: you ever take one of the phont lock? Yeah? Several? Wow, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we used to. It was the last season of the year,
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: so it was like your last chance to get a
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: deer for the standard. Are you talking to them? A
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: lot of deer drives? I forgot they do that. Oh yeah, man, yeah,
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: we shot an episode all about I haven't seen I've
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  Speaker 1: never done that. We haven't released yet, and I'll just
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: tell you right now, well I could. I'm gonna be
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: like Spencer to watch all right, everybody, Uh, talker, thanks
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  Speaker 1: so much for coming out. It's fun to talk. This
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  Speaker 1: is what you guys do for a living. I really
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: envy you. Oh yeah, painted about flintlock l hunting like
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: you've already won. I don't know what you get paid,
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: but you you win. Well. We're going up to the
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: fish shack in Alaska, uh, starting tomorrow, right, and you
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  Speaker 1: know the rule up there is no politics over dinner either,
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  Speaker 1: So good. I like that it is now. I'm just saying, yeah,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: we should like that. But but I'm bringing my three
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  Speaker 1: kids too, so that would violate the other rule about
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: not politicizing children. That's true. It's all about our treble
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  Speaker 1: hook snagging. You know what I like in salt water
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: up there, You've got a position that of course you do,
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: but you are allowed like it's yeah, put that down
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: in future talking point future like saltwater snagging. Uh, okay,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: you're not. It's not. And I'm sorry it's not. And
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: I don't care if you have a native exemption, it's not.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: And and put this question in there, why is it
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: so much easier to land a salmon with a fly rod?
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: Because about eyes in their mouths? Because when not hooked
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  Speaker 1: in the postman, No, that's totally true. Actually, I like
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: my son's always on me for foul hooking fish on
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: dry flies. Your resections aren't fast enough, whatever, But I
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  Speaker 1: always argue it's it's actually more impressive to land of
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: foul hook fish, like in the Dorsho fan. Yeah, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, when he's out there and you can feel
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: his tail moving, we say they fight harder when you
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  Speaker 1: hook him in the motor. All right, everybody, thanks for joining,
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