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Magic Mike XXL with Becca Ramos · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have women?
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  Speaker 1: And um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
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  Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing
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  Speaker 1: it with the beck Del Cast. Hey Jamie, Hey Caitlin,
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  Speaker 1: it's me Magical Caitlin, and I decided to give up
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  Speaker 1: podcasting and go back to my roots, which is dancing,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to join you on the little road
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  Speaker 1: trip you're taking to the Stripper Convention and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do a show together. Okay, Well, Hey, well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It's not that simple. I think that you
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  Speaker 1: have to let me punch you in the stomach before
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  Speaker 1: we can really we got to resolve this. We have,
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  Speaker 1: we have. We're in masculine crisis and I would just
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  Speaker 1: feel better if I could physically attack you. Okay, is
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  Speaker 1: that cool? Yeah, that's cool. That's just Florida rules. Baby
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  Speaker 1: is what is at Florida? That's a masculine Florida greeting. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we'll go to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Magical
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  Speaker 1: Jamie and I'm Magical Caitlin, and this is our magical
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  Speaker 1: show in which we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens,
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  Speaker 1: using the Bechtel test as a jumping off point to
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  Speaker 1: initiate a larger conversation. That's true, what's to tell you
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  Speaker 1: what it is? Okay? Yeah, well at Bechtel test. A
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel test, and the is I guess that that's true
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  Speaker 1: because there's a bunch of different kinds. It's a media
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  Speaker 1: matric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel Wallace Test. A lot of versions of the test.
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  Speaker 1: It was originally created as a one off bit in
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  Speaker 1: Alice and Betel's amazing comic strip Dikes to Watch Out
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  Speaker 1: for having recommend And now it's sort of used as
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  Speaker 1: a way of telling if there's more than one woman
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  Speaker 1: in the movie. So here's the version of the test
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  Speaker 1: we use. Um our test requires that there be two
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  Speaker 1: characters with names of a marginalized gender talking to each
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  Speaker 1: other about something other than a man for two lines
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  Speaker 1: of dialogue or more. Should be a you know, meaningful dialogue.
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  Speaker 1: Make of that what you will. A lot of movies pass,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of movies don't. But today, you know, today's
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  Speaker 1: a magical episode. I feel I feel good about today.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I I kind of always because we've
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  Speaker 1: covered the original, we've covered Magical Michael as a live show,
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  Speaker 1: as a live show in which I danced on top
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  Speaker 1: of you. I was wondering if you would bring that up,
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  Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about it all day. It's been
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  Speaker 1: on my mind. And now we're covering Magical Michael Extra
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  Speaker 1: extra Large, and I just forgot what what a good
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  Speaker 1: mood I'm in when I'm watching these dou faces gyrate
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  Speaker 1: and learn a little less than about life. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: about it. I just love it. And we have an
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  Speaker 1: amazing guest to discuss Magical Michael Extra extra Large with
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  Speaker 1: us today. We certainly do. She's a super producer at
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  Speaker 1: my heart, works on The Daily Zigeist and Last Culture Stas.
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  Speaker 1: It's Beccaramos. Hello, Hello, Oh my god, you guys, I
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  Speaker 1: am so stoked to be here. First of all, because
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  Speaker 1: this is a little little dream. If I can indulge
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  Speaker 1: you in a little story of my history with the
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  Speaker 1: Bechdel Cast, the show. Oh my gosh, this is probably
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  Speaker 1: one of the podcasts I've listened to the longest, Like
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  Speaker 1: I've been a Bechdel head, probably since you guys started,
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  Speaker 1: and I actually went to you You're the only podcast
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  Speaker 1: I've paid to see live. I've paid to see y'all
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  Speaker 1: in Portland, and I went to the New York show,
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  Speaker 1: the last one y'all did before COVID. I had just
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  Speaker 1: moved to New York, and I was like, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anybody here, and I don't have any
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  Speaker 1: plans tonight, and I'm feeling really lonely and really sad,
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  Speaker 1: and I just like I was looking at things to
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  Speaker 1: do in New York and I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast is doing a live show. So I
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  Speaker 1: just bought a ticket and I like went after work. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I've been a listener. I'm wearing a Becktel shirt
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  Speaker 1: because my sweet sweet partner was like, I want to
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  Speaker 1: take you to go see the Betel Cast live in
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  Speaker 1: l A for Christmas, but then, you know, we unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: couldn't make the trip. But yeah, so I just want
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  Speaker 1: to give you all a little fangirl moment of mine
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  Speaker 1: to be here. I am gushing, that's so nice. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, we're so happy to have you. This is
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  Speaker 1: so exciting. Yes, I'm so excited. I don't even remember
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  Speaker 1: what the show was in Portland, but I do remember
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  Speaker 1: going by myself because I was like, no one listens
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  Speaker 1: to my podcast, so I'm gonna go by myself. And
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  Speaker 1: I took myself on a little date, took myself to
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  Speaker 1: dinner when because the Betel cast, and then I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is too stressule. There's too many people here after
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  Speaker 1: the end of the show, you know, so I just
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  Speaker 1: left and I was like my little two hours. I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to come back to New York so we can
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  Speaker 1: actually like see you at some point. Yes, I think
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  Speaker 1: that that Portland show wouldn't have been fun Club. Was
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  Speaker 1: that what we did? Yes, it was fight Club and
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  Speaker 1: I had never seen fight Club. I didn't even see
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  Speaker 1: it for the show. I was just like, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to go through the back podcast. I think that
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  Speaker 1: we were so like learning that was such a fun episode.
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  Speaker 1: And also I think after that when we were like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we shouldn't choose like really complicated for live shows, but
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  Speaker 1: it was so much fun. And that theater is so
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  Speaker 1: cool anyways, that theater is really fun. Yeah, I love
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  Speaker 1: that theater in Portland. And at the time of this
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  Speaker 1: episode's release, we will have just done a few shows there.
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  Speaker 1: So with Sarah Marshall and now we can say Robert Evans, Um,
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  Speaker 1: she'll be a fun little treat. I can't wait to
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  Speaker 1: get that man in a hand in Montana Wig. It's
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  Speaker 1: just gonna feel good. Um, Oh my gosh. Well, we're
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  Speaker 1: so happy to have you here. We didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: That's so cool. We're so happy to have you and exciting.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Magical Michael XXL. What's your what's your relationship?
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  Speaker 1: Your your history with the movie. So the first movie
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  Speaker 1: came out, like o G. Magic Mike when I was
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  Speaker 1: a senior in high school, so I was probably freshly seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like I saw it with some girlfriends,
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  Speaker 1: like some high school friends. But as I was telling
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin off Pod, I revisited this movie after I had
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  Speaker 1: watched XXL for this, I was like, Okay, well, let
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  Speaker 1: me just like watch Magic Mike to see if there's
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  Speaker 1: any like true connection. I know it's technically a sequel,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't remember there being a lot of like
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  Speaker 1: through And so I watched Magic Mike after I watched
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  Speaker 1: Magic My xx L, and I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I've ever seen this movie. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot about it. I remember certain bits
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  Speaker 1: and pieces, but there was a lot of moments I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I don't remember this at all. But then
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  Speaker 1: to say my history, Magic my xx L. It came
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  Speaker 1: out summer, so I was a sophomore going to my
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  Speaker 1: junior of college, and I distinctly remember seeing it with
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  Speaker 1: some sorety sisters. Like that summer. It was like a
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  Speaker 1: raunchy you know, like my first real summer, like as
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  Speaker 1: a young adult on my own. Like I was living
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  Speaker 1: in way Go, which is where I went was cool
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  Speaker 1: yuck for the summer, you know, I was like interning.
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  Speaker 1: I was working like three jobs so I could pay
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  Speaker 1: my rent. I was like, I'm having a fun working
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  Speaker 1: girl summer um. And then I've probably watched it a
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  Speaker 1: few times since because it's it's a wrong it's fun
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  Speaker 1: on the rampo meter. That's that's so. It really is like,
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  Speaker 1: because we're going to release this episode like to line
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  Speaker 1: up with the third movies release, and it does seem
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  Speaker 1: like kind of like almost an anthology series movie exactly.
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  Speaker 1: They're all kind of a different genre. Like this next one,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of love it where it's like this next
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  Speaker 1: one takes place in London and it seems like magic
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  Speaker 1: Mike is the only continuous character, and I have no
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  Speaker 1: problem with I don't know. I was like, Okay, there's
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  Speaker 1: the Magical Michael movie. It's like glass Onion and like
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  Speaker 1: what was the one before Yeah knives out? You know,
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  Speaker 1: like very like you have one character and then you're
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  Speaker 1: just kind of forming new adventures with you know, a
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  Speaker 1: new cast each time, which I have no problem with that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah. I was like, it's it's cool
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  Speaker 1: and and this is the this is the Buddy road
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  Speaker 1: Trip version of that movie, and I loved it. Wait, so, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: what's your history with the movie? I hadn't seen it. No,
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  Speaker 1: I was, um, I was not tapped into the Magical
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  Speaker 1: Michael cinematic universe before we covered it last year, and
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  Speaker 1: then I knew we would cover the second one, so
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  Speaker 1: I sort of I was very tempted to watch it,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, fortunately slash Unfortunately, I would have had
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  Speaker 1: to rent it. And when I was introduced with a
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  Speaker 1: three dollar stumbling block, I was like, all right, I'll
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  Speaker 1: just wait. So I did just wait, and I wasn't disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: I had. I mean, it's like I enjoyed this movie
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  Speaker 1: a lot in a lot of the same ways that
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed the first one, and then also in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different ways. I thought it was like a
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  Speaker 1: cool kind of building out and like sort of course
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  Speaker 1: correcting some of the stuff about the first movie that
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  Speaker 1: we weren't so wild about out. You know, not a
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  Speaker 1: perfect but it's just like it's such a good ROMP movie.
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  Speaker 1: It made me feel so good. It's like two hours
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  Speaker 1: of like fun for play. Like it's just like it's
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: all for play. Um. The Donald Glover character, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I was just like he was like four played the man. No, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: When I watched this, I was like, I forgot how
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  Speaker 1: many people were in this movie. I forgot that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I vaguely remember Jada Piggins in this movie, Elizabeth Banks
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  Speaker 1: of this movie, Donald Glovers in this movie. I forgot
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  Speaker 1: Eric Delco of c S I, Miami Face, tray Hand
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  Speaker 1: like Michael Strahand Twitch, Rest and Peace. But so many
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  Speaker 1: people are in this movie. Wild Yeah, I was really
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  Speaker 1: it seems like um, Steven Soderbergh called in every favor
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  Speaker 1: that he had for this for this one, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like, I mean it were I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was so Funnyeah. They were like we must
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  Speaker 1: trade up from Matthew McConaughey, you know, and thank goodness,
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  Speaker 1: like they were like get rid of one, gain eight
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you can't really do much better than
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  Speaker 1: Jada Pinkett Smith. Like I kind of I think that
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: this movie did like an amazing thing, which is because
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: it is like Dallas is like a very iconic character,
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  Speaker 1: but I totally forgot about him by like you didn't
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  Speaker 1: need him at all in this movie. And the kid
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: who was like, I mean, God bless him, but like
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: that kid Alex Petty for they were just trying to
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: make him happen over and over and over and it
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: just wasn't happening, and they're like, we gotta get him
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  Speaker 1: out of here, and so what's his face? Who did Elvis?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like they were like coming up at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, and he became awesome. Butler, you know, surpass
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: Alex Pettifer. They are kind of the same man in
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  Speaker 1: a way. For the longest time, I only knew Austin
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  Speaker 1: Butler as m Vanessa Hudgens's boyfriend boyfriend. Yes, and that's
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  Speaker 1: as you should know him. I hope that if he
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: will not win an Oscar I mean and I hope,
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess maybe I'm saying I hope he doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel earned. You know, he can do other
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  Speaker 1: stuff and and maybe win for that, but but not this.
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  Speaker 1: But it would be fun if they brought him to
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  Speaker 1: the stage as Vanessa Hudgens boyfriend, because that is still
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  Speaker 1: his most iconic role. Well, Caitlin, what's your history with
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  Speaker 1: Magic Mike XXL? I gotta now, Well, I will tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I saw it shortly after it came out, I think
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  Speaker 1: just once or twice. I very distinctly remember a few
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  Speaker 1: different scenes in it, such as the scene where Channing
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  Speaker 1: Tatum parkours all over his workshop and then has sex
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  Speaker 1: with his work bench. Really, I distinctly remember the scene
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  Speaker 1: where he goes to Jada Pinkett Smith's characters mansion place
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  Speaker 1: and Magical Michael dances all over the place there. I
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  Speaker 1: distinctly remember the scene where he goes to Andy McDowell's
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  Speaker 1: house and everyone just like talks about their sex lives.
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  Speaker 1: So there were a few scenes that I that were
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  Speaker 1: kind of just like seared into my memory. But I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen it in several years, and it was a
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  Speaker 1: joy to revisit it's really so. I mean, Matt Bomer
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  Speaker 1: really is Bomber or Bomber was like I could not say.
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  Speaker 1: He still that scene for me where he remembered the
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  Speaker 1: lesson that Donald Glover taught him and then he sang
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  Speaker 1: his beautiful song. And there's so many parts of this
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  Speaker 1: movie that we're I mean, I don't know, it's complicated,
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  Speaker 1: but also like every time I had a complicated thought,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I kind of like was banishing it
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  Speaker 1: from my mind because I was just like, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to enjoy this. Yeah, it's kind of a challenging
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: factal cast watch because I didn't want to think too
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  Speaker 1: hard about anything. Oh yeah, it's like after watching the
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  Speaker 1: first one, after I watched this one, you can see
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  Speaker 1: where they try to correct some of the issues they
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: may have made in the first one, but they were
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: still like of the time being fifteen not quite correct, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I guess we'll talk about them. Job to get
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  Speaker 1: into every every time we make a criticism, we're also
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  Speaker 1: allowed to be like, but that's that. I was very horny.
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  Speaker 1: It's complicated. Yeah, exactly. Okay, shall I do the recap
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  Speaker 1: of the movie. Yes, let's go, let's get Yes, feel
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  Speaker 1: free to sound and oh my gosh, wait, this is
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  Speaker 1: another problematic favorite oars James Cameron and Caitlin and I
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: sent this story to you, I know I did. Where
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  Speaker 1: James Cameron said that he is so locked in when
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  Speaker 1: he's filming Avatar movies that someone needs to sound and
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  Speaker 1: a wuga sound if they want his attention on set.
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  Speaker 1: And I would just like to bring that energy to
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  Speaker 1: this episode for any part that made you specifically like horny.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: If you're willing to disclose, feel free to sound the
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  Speaker 1: wua and everyone will know James that your else. But
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  Speaker 1: that could be interesting. You know, he really responds to
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  Speaker 1: the Auga. He really does. Um. Okay, wait, let's take
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  Speaker 1: a break real quick and then we will come back
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  Speaker 1: for the recap. Okay, so here here we go Auga's
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  Speaker 1: and all we see Mike AK magic, Mike AK, magical Michael.
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  Speaker 1: That's Channing Tatum. Famously, it has been three years, I
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  Speaker 1: believe since he left stripping. He is now running his
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: own furniture company where he designs and builds furniture and
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  Speaker 1: delivers it to his clients. He then gets a call
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: from Tarzan, which wait, did we notice that the apartment
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: is the same apartment from the first movie, like Brooks
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: apartment from the first movie. Doesn't it look very similar? No,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't watch the first one. Okay, see I did
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  Speaker 1: watch the first one, So I do think they are
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  Speaker 1: using her apartment from the first movie. Well do you
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  Speaker 1: think that he got her apartment in the breakup? Well
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: maybe she moved on to bigger and better things. What
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  Speaker 1: was sad though, because I felt like his apartment was
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  Speaker 1: really nice, except for, obviously in the first movie getting
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  Speaker 1: destroyed by those drug lords. But he had a very
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  Speaker 1: nice apartment. Yeah. I didn't even put that together. He
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  Speaker 1: had a great apartment to hold that ugly as furniture
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  Speaker 1: he made, I will say between the first and second movie,
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  Speaker 1: he appears to have gotten better at furniture making furniture
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: he makes more wood base pieces. Now, yes, let's not
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: trash that washed up on the beach not beach Trump
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: bless his heart. He got better. He got better at
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: it with three years of practice. That Malcolm Gladwell ten thing.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, feminist Malcolm Okay, so um, Tarzan calls because
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  Speaker 1: him and the other guys from the first movie are
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: coming up through Tampa and he also has some bad news,
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  Speaker 1: which is that Dallas, the Matthew McConaughey character, died, so
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  Speaker 1: Mike goes to the wake, but it turns out to
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: be a pool party because Dallas did not actually die,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: but he did bail on them. He took the kid
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  Speaker 1: a k a adam ak Magical Michael Jr. From the
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  Speaker 1: first movie, and they started a show overseas not Austin Butler. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It goes on so Um Tarzan played by Kevin nash Ken,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Boehmer, Big Dick, Ritchie Uh played by Joe Manganello,
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  Speaker 1: Tito played by Adam Rodriguez, and their MC Tobias Gabriel Iglesias.
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  Speaker 1: They are all on their way to Myrtle Beach for
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  Speaker 1: a stripping convention and Mike is like, that's cool, have fun.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mike goes home. He works on his furniture
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  Speaker 1: in his workshop. This is when we get the scene
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  Speaker 1: where Pony by Genuine comes on Spotify. Immediately Horny a
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  Speaker 1: wuga wuga wuga channing like he's a star. He's just
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  Speaker 1: simply a star. Yes, that is exactly how I felt, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: when like that moment happened. I was like, this is
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  Speaker 1: why we come to the movies. You know like I
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  Speaker 1: was like, he is a star. The movie was feeling
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: like a movie. It was a lot. We come to
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: this place for magic. We come to this place for magic, Mike.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: We come to the place for magical Michael. The movie
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: felt like a movie hardcore. I like, couldn't. I watched
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: that scene probably three times. It took me a long
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: time and to watch this movie because I got rewatching
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: because you just see like he's resisting it. He's making
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  Speaker 1: choices and he's laughing. He's like I remember, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm dancing like no one's watching. I love when we
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  Speaker 1: are watching and we're loving it. He Channing Tatum seems like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, by all accounts, hopefully when you listen to
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  Speaker 1: this this is still true. He seems like a terrific person.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: He's not canceled by then, but so he Kravitce loves
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: him so much. Come on, okay. Dancing around his workshop
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: and fucking his workbench inspires him to join his friends
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and go to the convention. So they all load into
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Tito's fro Yo food truck and start their road trip.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: They make a stop in Jacksonville at a nightclub called
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Mad Mary's, where there is this drag show slash competition happening,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and Mike and the other guys get on stage and
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: compete in it, although no one is in drag for
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: some reason except for like the host of the show,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: where I was like, there's one person in drag confusing, right.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Then there's a nighttime beach hang seen where the guys
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: are talking about their current work situations and their dream jobs.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: A few of them air some grievances with each other,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and they're just like having a heart to heart. Then
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Mike meets a woman whose name we will eventually learn
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to be Zoe. Pretty far into the movie, to be honest,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's like literally the last twenty minutes. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: do wonder how like deep into the writing process Zoe's
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: character was added because I mean it's like I didn't
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: hate that she was there, but it just felt like
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: she felt kind of shoehorned into every scenario she appeared in.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: She definitely didn't need be there. I guess, yeah, it's
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: again it's like I'm not mad about it, but it's
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: like I felt like she like there there were more
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: interesting women in the narrative that you could have like
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: zoned in on, but whatever, is fine whatever. Um Zoe
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: played by Amber Heard, is a photographer. She and Mike
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: flirt a little bit. It seems like she wants to
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: smooch on him, but he's like, I shouldn't and he
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: wishes her a good night. The next morning, the guys
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: are back on the road again. Mike suggests they shake
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: up their routine at the convention, but the guys are like, no,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: we only have two days. We gotta do what we rehearsed,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and also like, Mike, you've been gone for three years,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: like slow your role, which is fair. Even so, Mike
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: is like, no, let's do my idea. And he's like,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: all the songs and the dances are things that Dallas
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: decided for you. We have to do stuff that comes
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: from us, that comes from the heart. And so he
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: helps Big Dick Ritchie come up with a new route,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a new routine, and part of that process is Richie
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: going into a convenience store doing a horny dance for
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the like grumpy cashier lady to a Backstreet Boys song
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and he successfully gets hurt to smile and the guys
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: are like, whoo, well that was the bet. Yeah, he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: had to make the cashier smile. To agree to change
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the routines. Yes. So there's a lot of scenes in
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: this movie that you're like, yeah, the scene could have
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: gone a lot of different ways. Good thing you went
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the way it went right. But I I know that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the writer of this movie read Caroline. He's a white
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: guy who went to Harvard. Like, he's not um much
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: outside of like what you would kind of expect from
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: someone who is successful in Hollywood. But he and Channing
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Tatum collaborate a lot, and I was, I'm cure I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure out where he's from originally, because there's so
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: much like solid Florida man lore in this franchise where
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: they were like debating about the Backstreet Boys and like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: which member left and which and and they were like, yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that's the greatest thing to come out of Orlando. And
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: as a Backstreet Boys head, even though they are thoroughly
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: canceled and with good reason, but these are facts that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I have locked into my mind forever. I was like, Yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Kevin Richardson did leave and then come back, and that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: was historically significant, and why don't we talk about that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Kevin Richardson not canceled Brian and Nick canceled them rightfully.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So the other three we can keep them as far
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: as we know, as far as yeah, so far at
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the time of recording, we can keep them, okay. So yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: we see the scene where big Dick Ritchie gets the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: woman to smile, and you know who else was smiling
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: during that scene? Me keep that? Couldn't help it of us.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: How big Dick Richie got his groove back like, it
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: was really beautiful and he brought a bag of cheetahs
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: into the mix. And it's hard. It's hard to not
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: love it, even when you're like, is this okay? It
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: was okay to the guy slamming on the window. Why
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: was the woman not frightened? Who knows? But it was
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: very adorable. Luff is like fucking about to break the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: pain of glass with enthusiasm and love for his friend.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's complicated. And then I was like, Jamie stopped
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: thinking and I was like, wait, no, that's your job.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Stop thinking and start feeling. Okay, So back on the truck,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: they take Molly and they're like, oh, man, I love
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you so much. I've missed you. Magical Michael. We're in
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: harmony right now. And they love each other so much
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that they crashed the truck and Tobias gets a concussion,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So now they don't have transportation costumes because they threw
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: them out the window or there m c because he
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: is undered and the convention is in two days. What
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: are they going to do? Big Dick Ritchie is like, oh,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the trip is over, let's just give up. But then
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Mike reveals that he and Brooke had broken up because
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: she said no when he proposed, and he's like, look,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: my life is in shambles and that's the real reason
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I'm on this trip. I'm trying to move on, so
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: we can't give up now, and they're like, okay, let's
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: do it. It never comes up again, which I kind
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of like. He's like remember that girl from the first
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: movie and I was like, oh yeah, I didn't really
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: like her very much. And he's like, well she broke
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: my heart anyways, that we have to do this. Yeah,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and then they bail on Fluffy ad percent. They're like,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: goodbye Fluffy? Did they leave him at the hospital? Like
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: how did they get home? You take the greyround with
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a concussion? Like I think they circle back around because
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: at this point there in outside of Jackson outside Yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: because they're going to Charleston so or no, they're going
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to is Myrtle Beach near Charleston? Are they in the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: same place? I don't know. They have to go to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Savannah first, so they do, got to go to Georgia first.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So that's what happens. Florida Georgia line. Hello. So they
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: go to Savannah where Mike knows another em C because
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they need an m C. And he knows someone named Rome,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: who turns out to be Jada Pickens Smith, and she
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: has this house where women come and watch various male
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: strip shows or just kind of like male entertainer acts
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: in different rooms. We see a few of these different acts,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: including those of Augustus Ak, Michael Strahan, as well as
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Andre played by Donald Glover and Twitch and dance right. Yes,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: yes he is Jada Pinkett Smith's rooms like assistant guy.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: But then like when they bring when when Rome and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Magic Michael come downstairs, Uh, they have like a dance
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: battle almost right, like the main guy dancing against Magic
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Michael is Twitch. Right. He plays a character named Malik. Yes, yes,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: so that's Malik Got It, which was so iconic and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: lovely and he passed last year. I man i grew
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: up watching you thinking dance one time? Really really, Oh
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: my gosh, my senior year, I was a dancer for
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: many years. Wait me too, Oh my gosh, should we
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: start a dance troupe together? I can't dance, but I'll learn.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: My sophomore year of high school, I went to see
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So you Think He'd Dance Live? And Twitch was there,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and my friends and I were like, like, it was
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: just so thrilling and what a loss, what an icon.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't know he was in this movie, and I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: was was frantically googly. I was like, is that Twitch?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: What a legend? Beautiful? Okay, So we see these different
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: acts throughout the night, and then Mike mentions the convention
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to Rome, and she's like, oh, you want a favor
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: from me even though you walked out on me eight
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: years ago, because apparently he used to dance for her.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So she's kind of like upset with him, and he
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: just like comes like waltzing back in, wanting this favor,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and she's like, you have to redeem yourself, and he
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: does so by doing a very horny dance. Uh woa,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: ho was so good. I had so many questions about, like,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, we can get to this in the discussion,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I had so many questions about like, and I was like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I'm probably deeply naive, and I was looking for like
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: answers to this question wasn't able to find them. I'm like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: what are like the rules of consent that happened when
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you enter this place? Because probably sign a waiver, I
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: would assume, And You're like, and I'm assuming because magical
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Michael worked there, he would know the rules, So like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's not doing anything that is like out
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of pocket or bad. But but I was just like,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: what do you agree to? It really seems like you're
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: getting flipped and dipped around. What if there's an injury?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Because there like a medic it's just injury. Also, like
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: your personal space is at risk of being invaded, which
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: it seems as though if you go to an event
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: show like this, you just basically agree to consent to whatever.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know how ethical that actually is. I don't
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: know if it happened. I mean, it's like I'm sure
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that Like, I mean, I'm not sure the places like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that exists. It feels like if you sit in the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: splash zone at Sea World, you understand there's you know
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: what was going to happen. Probably just have to go
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: in with the same mindset. If you're going to a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: show like this, yes, and everyone is I mean canonically
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: everyone is fucking thrilled about everything that happens all night long.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: There's no I saw not a twitch of an eye
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of someone who was like, I don't know if I'm
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: okay with this. Everyone was very okay with it. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I mean, honestly, I just had
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: questions because I'm like, the places like this exists, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: could can we go? Could I go? I would love
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Michael Straighthand and Channing Tatum to um ruined my life.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: So my favorite part was when he put his hand
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: on both of their backs and he was doing the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: like side like swivels around and like humps them both
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: from behind. Again a wouga. But I was worried about
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the like the two the two women who like yeah
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: when he did that, but then he put another woman
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: on top of one of the women. I'm like, we
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: don't know about her back, what if she had scoliosis,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Like we don't know how secure as as sculios his head.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, that would have that I would have collapsed,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: would have broke me, would have broken me. I would
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: have you know, I would have died doing what I loved.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: But but but I would have died. Yeah, I simply
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's a fantasy movie. Whatever, right, Okay, So
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: at the end of the night, Mike any other guys
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: say goodbye to Rome and then Andre Donald Glover takes
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: them to Charleston, where they go to the house of
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: this woman, Megan, who Tito had hooked up with maybe
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like the night before at that like beach hang But
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: they first run into Megan's mom, Nancy, Okay, Andy McDowell
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and her friends. And I didn't realize this until my
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: second watch of the movie to fully register what happened here,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: because I was like, wait, whose house are they going
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to and how do they know her? And who is
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Andy McDowell in relation to any of these people? And
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: then I realized that, so Megan is this woman who
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: they met maybe one or two days before, they barely
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: know her. She was like, come through to my house
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: in Charleston. They just show up and go inside of
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the house. They don't even they didn't not they just
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: marched right in. Honestly, the fact that the door was unlocked.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Was very Southern of them, Like, that does not shock
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: me that it's very as someone from the South. I
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I guess that's that's accurate. Yeah, And
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: then is this a Southern thing where the owner of
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the house sees like five strange men in her foyer
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and it is like, oh, hey, come on in and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: have a drink. Honestly, it is that is the Southern hospitality.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, Honestly, that whole scene was not that
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: crazy because I'm like, rich, lonely old women from the South.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Then what they see hot men? First, they didn't see like,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know, most of them are white, you know what
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like they were not threatened. They
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, look at these charming young men. They
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: look like strippers. And if they're still in Georgia, I'm
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: sure they're like understand that there is a lot of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: because from my understanding, there are a lot of strip
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: clubs in Georgia. So yeah, I think there's like it's
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: like Atlanta and Portland's I think the highest strip clubs.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Portland has so been quite a few of them. Kitlin
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and I went to one once. We went to an
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: eggs and legs situation in Portland a couple of years ago.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: We should go back, We should go back. A fan
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of the show hooked us up, So thank you for that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: It's fast. We had eggs, we had legs. I was
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: curious about that because it was like the way that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Andy McDowell's character reacted made it seem like her daughter
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: brought home really hot troops of men. Constantly, She's like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: who is this? Oh my daughter? Okay, that makes sense.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, wow, chill mom. She's a cool mom.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: She's like, cool mom. So they you start chatting with Nancy,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and then Megan and her friends come into the room
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and one of them is Zoe. So all of the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: guys are talking to all the women. They're asking about
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: their like fantasies and their sex lives and all this stuff.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: In another room, Mike and Zoe are chatting some more. Uh.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Later that night, Big Dick Richie ends up having sex
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: with Nancy off screen, which is a shame. It's a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: shame would have liked to see. But then the next
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: morning they head out from Charleston and arrive in Myrtle
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Beach at the convention. Surprise, Rome and Andre meet them
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: there because Rome has decided to m see the show
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: after all. Then they go to check in with Elizabeth Banks,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the director of Cocaine Bear herself. I hope that is.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I hope that's how history remembers her ultimately. What a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: treat that would be amazing. Yes, um, so she's checking
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: them in. But then we find out that these guys
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: did not even register for the convention or book a
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: show there. They just showed up thinking they were going
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to do a spot. To be fair, that is what
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: they just did at Andy McDowell's house, and it worked
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: out pretty spectacularly for them. I'm gonna say, as men,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's made sense to me because I'm
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: sure Dallas did all that booking and stuff. I'm sure
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: they had no idea like that was something they had
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: to do. They were just like, well, we go to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: this thing every year, so like, why don't we just
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: show up? We're going there. They truly are like baby
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: men in a lot of ways, where they're like, what
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: do you mean We're so beautiful? Why can't we Like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: no one's ever said no to me before. But I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: don't understand Jada Pinkett s meant to the rescue. She
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and I also liked that those characters were named Paris
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and Rome and that they were friends. You're like, yeah,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: it's all consense. Wow, he got, he got. And then
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it's because of Realm's clout that Elizabeth Banks is like, okay,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you get this, like prime Spot. Then there's a montage
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of them prepping for the show. We see them shopping,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: they're making costumes, their building sets, and then they put
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: on a show that Rome m c s. We see
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: solo acts from all the guys, each one relating to
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: their passion. So Tarzan does like a painting thing, Tito
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: does a candy thing since he's the fro yo guy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Ken sings because he is also like a musical performer
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and singer, Big Dick Ritchie. It does this whole like
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: wedding slash kinky wedding night act. And then finally it's magical.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Michael and Malik do this like mirror act. They said
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: step up here we go then and we are like
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a wuga. Zoe is there with Megan and she gets
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: brought up on stage and Mike dances all horny all
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: over her. Then like we see a little montage of
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: them like getting ice cream after the show, and that's
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: basically the movie. If you're wondering if there is a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: conflict in this movie, they're kind of is not. There
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: is not. Often there's some like interpersonal tension between the characters,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: but it's usually pretty quickly resolved and then there's not
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: much in the way of conflict aside from that, which
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: is usually not how you write a screenplay. But this
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: movie is great and I have no complaints. So that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: is the story. Let's take a quick break and we
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: will come right back to discuss and back. Oh my goodness, Okay, yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I I agree. I mean, I guess that there isn't
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: really much there. I didn't. I honestly didn't notice until
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I was, like I really thought about it, because it
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: did feel like the main tension of this movie kind
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: of like came from both like this group of men
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: who we knew resolving their differences with each other and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: then like growing as people whilst on a road trip.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And I love I loved that. I don't know, that's
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: all I really have to say that. I feel like
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the biggest conflict was with Rome, right because it was
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: like obviously like this like new plot point being brought
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: up of like we have to make Chang Tatum this
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: central character, not that we didn't already make in the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: central character by coming back, but it felt like in
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the first movie, you don't get anything of the other guys, right,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Like it's all about you know, Magic Michael and Little
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Michael and Brooke, and so I feel like this was
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the moment to bring it back to like what is
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Michael's history? He is a titular dancer, Like who is
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: this strife with his older host or manager? I don't
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: know what to call her, madam, I don't know, I
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: don't know her job title. But yeah, I feel like
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that's where the biggest conflict was. But obviously it gets
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: resolved by the end of the movie. And yeah, back
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: to your point, Jamie, as far as like the movie
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: being about men like connecting and growing together and like
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: figuring themselves out, there aren't a lot of movies like that,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And there aren't a lot of movies that center male
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: friendship and male friendship in which the characters are like
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: vulnerable with each other and they like open up to
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: each other. So there's like all these like wonderful things
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: that you don't normally see on screen. Happening in this movie,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: especially that these men are like such like expressions of
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: like heteronormative you know, like like these big, buff, hot
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: like himbo men, men that you wouldn't consider vulnerable or
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: people that would you know, express themselves that way, that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: kind of thing so traditionally. Yeah, yeah, I felt like
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that was like some of the most strong stuff in
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the movie was like focused on their relationships with each other,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: because it also didn't make it so easy for them
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, well, these are just like this is
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: a band of emotionally intelligent, like I think, mostly heterosexual
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: men as far as we know, which would be you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I mean that it would truly be a fantasy movie
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: because you're like, that's just like not how heterosexual men
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: are socialized. And so you do see towards the beginning
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: of the movie, like them trying to resolve interpersonal issues
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: with like traditional masculinities such as magical Michael starting by
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: being like all right, we're gonna do some therapy and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: then he's like punch me and they throw up, and
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you're just like all right, these guys like you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you're runk on a beach in Florida. Of course, that's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: how you're going to try to resolve the problem. But
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: they continue to grow and I like that like every character,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: although like I mean, I do feel like some characters
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: more than others, which we should talk about, but they
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: all enjoy being male entertainers. They get a lot of
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: personal satisfaction out of that. It just seems like it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: it's so funny because I feel like that's part of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: what's so appealing about this franchise to me. Of like
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you're watching men have impostor syndrome all the time, which
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: you don't really see very much of, Like they feel
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: judged by the world by being strippers, but also they
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: have other dreams and they want to have both of
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: those things at the same They want to have it all,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: which is every movie about every woman ever, and you
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: never really see that about men because you don't really
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: see men and professions where they are treated like meat,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: which these men are. So it's interesting seeing like these
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: different characters have different you know, and it like it
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: relates to their age in some ways, where Tarzan is like, yeah,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I've I don't know, maybe like I don't
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: regret my life choices, but it would have been really
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: cool to have like a domestic life and you know
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you have people that I mean, Matt Bohmer's character is
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: like I wish I had, you know, been a singer
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: and like you have everyone had the thing, like they
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: both love what they do and also I wonder what
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: life would have been like if they had done something else.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And that's really I don't know. You just don't see
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it a lot with with male characters, specifically because men
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: usually get what they want well and them all showing
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: envy too of of magic Michael because he did quit
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and he did pursue what he wanted to do, and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that was part of why they were upset with him,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: because they were like, you know, as much as like
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: we're mad at you for abandoning us, we're also jealous
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that you like found your thing and you like stuck
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: to your guns and you made it happen. But I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: also so and I was worried that there was going
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to be because this is an issue that we had
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: with the first movie, where because so often the way
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: sex work is presented in media, it's something that no
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: one chooses to do and that people are trying to escape.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: And that might be true for some sex workers. But
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: there are a large number of sex workers who this
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: is their chosen profession and they're very proud to do it,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and they're very excited to do it. And there was
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: discussion around the first movie where Mike quitting stripping partially
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: it seems because that's what his girlfriend wanted him to do.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: There was criticism around that, and so I was worried that, like,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: there might be some degree of that in this movie.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: But it seems as though all of the men who
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: are doing this work in this movie, at least a
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: few of them say if I had my dreams like
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Donald Glover's, like, oh, if my LP dropped tomorrow and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I like made it big, I would still do this.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: On the side, if I was, for example, childish Gambino,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I would still do this. You're like, all right, Donald
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Glover as himself, he's not Donald Glover in this movie.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: He's childish Gambino. Like specifically, I'm like, yeah, you are
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: in your child like everything about you, like the Fedora,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: like everything about this era of childish Gambio. It is
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: not Donald Glover as he is today, because like today,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he's not childish green to know he is
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Donald Glover now, but then that is childish Gambio that movie.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: That's not he is. And it's like, because the internet
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: childish Gambiano too, it's like really childish Gampio. Like absolutely,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I did not know he was in this movie, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, I forgot. I totally agree with You're like, wow,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: this is a very specific Donald Glover we're getting in
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: this movie. Two years later, this Donald Glover was no
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: longer available, and arguably two years later, the body of
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that Donald Glover would have made more sense in this movie.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: But you know, man, it was wild seeing him in
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: this role and but was I was like, he's such
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: a baby. He's a baby. He was still doing like
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Troy like he It was very it was a different
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: era of Donald Globber. It feels like the tail end
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: of that era. But yeah, I I totally agree with you, Caitlin,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: because that was something we talked about in our first episode,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: was that like it's made to seem like, Okay, well,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: he got a lot out of working as a sex worker,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, that's not the
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: quote unquote the sensible choice. But I like that this
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: franchise course corrects in this way. Where it's like, well,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: this is like a huge part of who he is,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and like why can't more than one like it? Just
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it sort of wants to explore like you don't need
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: to choose one thing and like the less of a person,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: And that seems like what most of the guys are
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: kind of coming to terms with and struggling with in
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: in this movie in a way that I thought was
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: like pretty effective and cool because you also have Tito,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: who's dream is to get this like artisanal fro yo
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: food truck slash dance party DJ. I love that all
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: their dreams are like best of luck guys. But so
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: his dream is to get that going. But he says
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: like nothing makes me feel better than that, aside from
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: being on stage, like he still loves performing. So I
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: appreciate that you have at least a few of the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: characters expressing like this is not something I'm trying to escape. Uh,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: this is something that like I will always do. So
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I appreciated that, and and that they come to accept
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: each other like and it totally makes sense that they
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: have like the tension they do. Like I really liked
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the conversation between Magical Michael and sorry I'm just gonna
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: keep calling him Matt Bomer. What is that? Damn Ken,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: He's literally the Kendall. I was a little like not
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: sure what to make of him. I mean, I I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: really like Matt Bomer, so I feel like maybe I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: was like bringing I like Matt Boomer energy into the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: chat on this one. But I did like how they
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: had to have converence, like a couple conversations before they
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: had really made peace, because it was like, oh that,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you know, like, I think it's interesting with people of
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: all genders when people get into, for lack of a
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: better term, because I am pro this, I've made whole
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: shows about it, woo woo stuff, and then sort of
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: are able to say, like, well, because I am now
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a spiritual person, all of my past problems and trauma
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: have been resolved via this. And that is not always
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: not for everyone, is always necessarily true, because it's like
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's like you can use a spiritual practice to
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: avoid actually dealing with your ship, and it seems like
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what Kenn is doing and I did,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: And there were moments where I felt like the movie
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: was kind of making fun of him for like the
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: reigy stuff over Gabriel Glacia Is like there were moments
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: where he's clearly being made fun of. Well, do you
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: feel like he was queer coded in this movie, because
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to me, you watched the first one and none of
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: them really have speaking rules, right, like you kind of
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like going back into it. I was watching the first
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: one and I was like, oh, yeah, they really aren't
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: actualized characters there, like a part of a group, but
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you don't really learn much about them. You just know
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: like Ken's wife has big tits, and like they like
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the funk and they do drunks. Like that's about it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: He doesn't really say more than three lines the whole movie.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: But this movie, as they developed his character, it felt
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: really queer coded. And at this time, Matthew Bomber has
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: already come out, like he in the first movie had
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: not come out yet. He came out in which is
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: when the movie was released, So during the production of
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that movie he had not come out. So by this
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: movie he had come out. So I was like, it
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: felt like to me, by the end of the movie,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: they were trying to get to him having an arc
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of you know, coming out, and then they just like
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: cut it, and it felt very like like not actualized
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: or like I couldn't tell what they were trying to do.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I hadn't I honestly hadn't thought about
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: it that thoroughly, but I did. I didn't know that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Matt Boehmer came out the same year Magic Mike one
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: was released and has been out ever since, and I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: don't know. We felt like I had a conversation on
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: this show many times where it's like, you know, it's
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: because you're a queer actor, doesn't mean you need to
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: play queer characters. But it did seem like at moments
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: where it was like, what are we trying to say
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: about this character? And I feel like it speaks to
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: kind of like a larger point that I have with
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of the non Magical Michael characters, which I
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: think some were better developed than others. I totally agree
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: with you that like Ken's story is like they're like, well,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: he wanted to be a singer, and that's kind of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: where they leave it, which is bizarre given the like
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: stuff you know about him from the first movie, which
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: never really comes back, and you're like, they broke uh, yeah,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: never mentioned again. Yeah. And in fact, so there's a
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: scene on the beach where where Mike says to Ken like, oh,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: are you still with Mercedes? And he says no because
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: he cites the reason being like they tried to do
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: monogamy and that didn't work out for them, so they
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: split up. And then that's what leads to magical Michael
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: being like punched me in the stomach. I was like,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: where did this come from? Um? Because suddenly like one
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: of them is being passive aggressive. I didn't even notice it.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. But if you consider that Mike
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: has a love interest who is a woman, you have
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Big Dick, Ritchie has sex with Andy McDowell, Tito has
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: sex with her daughter Megan, you have um Tarzan saying like, oh,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I would love to go home to like a wife
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and kids. But there's never any men mention of Ken
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: having a romantic interest who is a woman. So I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: think maybe based on that there is possible queer coding,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: but it's not overt to me. It wasn't clear enough
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: that I felt like you could like. I just wonder.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, is there something that was like cut?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because it is also like there is
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: kind of a vibe of a one to one, and
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I don't even mean that as an insult to this movie.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: But as far as I know, the only and maybe
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I'm incorrect about this, I'm not totally sure. As far
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: as I know, the only people I knew to be
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: openly queer who are in this movie are Matt Bomer
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and Amber Heard, And it is a one to one
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: situation if we are interpreting Ken is a queer coded character,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: where Matt Bomer is an openly gay actor and Amber
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Heard is openly bisexual and has been for a long time,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: and they make that can and into her character as
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: well in a way that I didn't take any issue with.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: It was presented very matter of factly, and she wasn't,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like bisexual characters are treated like shit or
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: like as jokes so much, and she wasn't. But I
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: did feel like, oh, yeah, the only actors in this
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: movie that I know are openly queer. I don't know.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's I don't know, yeah, it's not
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: even a positive or negative. I'm just like, what was
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: going on? Interesting to ponder. I do like, like you mentioned, Becca,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that each character is given more characterization in this movie,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: which helps too. Again, another issue we had when we
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: discussed the first Magic Mike movie is that it's a
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: movie that seems like it has the agenda to humanize
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: sex workers or you know, male entertainers, but it kind
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: of doesn't do that that much because it really only
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: focuses on two of those characters and puts the other
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: ones kind of in the background. This sequel doesn't do that.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: It gives each of the five main Magical Michaels a
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: distinct either like arc or goal or just kind of
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: more characterization in general, although two varying degrees I supposed
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to say, because I feel like Adam Rodriguez's character was
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: characterized by a large margin the least like I was
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: going to say that, Yeah, like the guys we learned
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: more about, because we do get characterization of everybody to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: some extent. But like for my reading, it was like Ken,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: even though that was ambiguous as you were just talking about,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: but like Ken's was more of a I don't know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really have an issue with it
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: because some people were like a relationship thing with Ken.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: It was more of a career thing whatever. But Ken,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Big Dick, Ritchie and tar Zanne I think got the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: most attention. They are like three white passing men, and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: then Adam Rodriguez I thought, was given the least attention
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: of the bunch. And then Gabriel Iglesias is like ejected
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: out of the movie rocket in the middle and and you,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not like there is I don't know.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm curious to discuss that, because there was
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: some sort of I don't know, it's the discourse around
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: this movie when I was revisiting it for research was
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: so that I was like, I don't know, because it
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: is like a pretty diverse movie. It's not like you know,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe Gabriel Iglesias was like I have to
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: go on a world tour. I can only be on
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: set for like three days or whatever. Like he's really
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: successful in it, and like it is a very diverse movie,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: but it's still like there's still kind of these things
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: that feel very rooted and like, okay, like it's still
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: centers whiteness, light skinnedness. Yes, right. They even call out
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Adam Rodriguez as like their token man of color in
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: their like group. They're like, yeah, we got the the Latino,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: you know, and then Adam trying to throw it back
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: at Big dig Ritchie. It was like, well, you are
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: also technically a person of color, and he's like, I'm
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Armenium whatever, I'm white. Like he literally was like, I
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: have internalized racism and I'm white. And you know, justice
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: for Adam Rodriguez because I have had a crush on
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: him for very many years and he's a beautiful Latino
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: man and he deserved. He was also the second best
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: dancer in my opinion. I think he's a better dancer
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: than Big Dick Ritchie. And I feel like he did
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: not get enough dancing time. Yeah, I agree, I agree.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: He's wondering and it's like also, I was just like, wow,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Mr Criminal, minds the disrespect, Like it's just Adam Rodriguez
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: is an icon and they didn't give him enough to do. No,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: he's an amazing dancer, but I just like, I feel
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: like it really actually kind of aim all the way around,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: like who was characterized versus who wasn't at the end,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: because they were all given big set pieces about like,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: hey remember their arc here it is in a sexy dance,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and Adam Rodriguez is I think was like, even though
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: he is one of the stronger dancers, was one of
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: the and who like what he does in that routine
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: with the chocolate in the licking y're just like a
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: wuga Like I was going pretty hard. I was really
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: present in the auga zone for that one, but narratively
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: you're he's just in front of like the fro Yo truck. Yeah,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: and it's like I again, And as far as I'm
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: at Bomber character, I honestly don't know where to fall
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: in terms of like how we were supposed to feel
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: about Ken. It did feel like the cannon from the
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: previous movie was abandoned in a way that felt a
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: little bizarre. It was done to everybody to some extent,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: but like Ken's felt especially dismissed. But it is like
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Ken and Tito have career based things going. But even so,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: like Ken gets the bigger spotlight on his moment in
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like the Antie McDowell sequence where you get to see
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: like Donald Glover in his childish Gambino era plants the
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: seeds of like you know you can and a plot
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: point I thought was like really cool of like well
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: you can like combine your passions in a way that
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: is really like beautiful and like you can use your
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: you know singing in musicality to like make women happy,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: which is why we've been put on this earth, which
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: is kind of the theme of the movie for whatever reason.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: And it's great, But like Ken gets that big moment
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: where he uses his dream to do what he's currently
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: doing in a way that makes him and a woman happy.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Tito doesn't really get that moment, and so like when
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: you see him dancing in front of his fro Yo truck,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: it just like doesn't have the same amount of impact
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: because he wasn't given like the same moment in focus. True, um,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I was prepared to argue that Tarzan was given the
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: least amount of kind of characterization. Maybe it's just because
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: he's on screen the least amount of time. I felt
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you, Kaitlin, in a different way,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Like I agree that I think characterized he is the
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: least focused on, but I feel like Adams was more
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: poignant because he is the only brown one. Definitely, But
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I was noticing that there were scenes that like Tarzan
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't even in, Like it seems like the four younger
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: guys would like go do something fun, and so I
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: was like, is this an ageist choice that's happening because
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Tarzan is the oldest of them, can I tell you,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe this is like rude because I know
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: that Kevin Nash has been in a lot of stuff.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I sort of interpreted that choice of like, yeah, professional
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: wrestlers aren't always great actors. Uh, that was sort of
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: my thing. I was like, and I don't know, absolutely
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: could be agism. I think I defaulted to like, not
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: everyone's the rock and not everyone like but maybe that
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: was unfair of me because the scenes that Tarzan is
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: in I really loved him. He's a lovable character. Yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: but but if you think, like he does say in
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: that one scene that he would like trade his dick
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: swinging lifestyle for a wife and kids and people who
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: love him. But that's the only moment that we get
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: any indication of that, especially because we didn't even know
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: his name. Like there's that moment where Magic Michael's like
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and and he's like Ernie and he's like, I don't
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: know anything about him. And then there's another scene where
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: later kind of booze him when he and when he
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: says like that was I thought that that was I mean,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: it was like both very like it felt Soderbergie where
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: it felt very like I don't know, like I love
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I love in soderberg movies, like the way that conversations
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: play out feel like pretty realistic and funny, even when
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: they're like not very sensitive towards everybody. But it didn't
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: really come all the way back around in a way
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: that felt sensitive to him because because he was like, oh,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: this is what I want, and everyone's like bummer, You're like,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: oh he he pours his heart out and everyone's like
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: buzz kill alert and then they move on if there
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: was like tomato tomato, and then they move on and
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: talk to a woman who we hadn't met before, won't
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: we won't see again, So it's like Tarzan's right there, like,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: but if she doesn't go on a journey in that scene,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest. I thought that then, was I was like, honestly,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think it is interesting how this movie,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I think, with varying degrees of success, but
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: this movie does attempt and seems to have an agenda
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: to navigate through a lot of different class systems and
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: races and gender and like I feel like it try
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: to use the road Trip movie in a in an
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: unusual way, which is like not to make I feel
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: like the road trip movies that were used to are
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: more often used to like make a mockery of the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: communities they're passing through to characterize the protagonists, whereas like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: this movie is trying to again with like varying degrees
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: of success, to like not do that, to like pass
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: through a lot of different classes and and but do
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: it in a way that like you have a moment
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: to appreciate someone in the scene that's like specific, and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of like movies like that. I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: don't know, like the Antimidald thing. I was kind of
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: all over the place on that sequence. I didn't know
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: because it's like you don't really like I want to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: like linger on like upper crossed white Ladies of the South. However,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: the way that they're written and characterized, I thought in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: that moment, especially with like a woman, I don't know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: it just got me thinking about like the boomer women
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: in my life who like Andy McDowell's character, I thought,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you know, she's very like cool, moming it, which who
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: knows how her daughter feels about that. That can suck,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: but you know she's just like, oh, I've only ever
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: had sex with one person because that's what I was
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: told to do. And now I'm fucking miserable. I don't
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: really know what where her husband's like, I think that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: they're divorced. Maybe I don't know. It seems like she
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: kicked him out, but maybe the papers aren't finalized. Vibes
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: like he obviously I felt like he cheated on her.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: And then she was like wow, like I've only had
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: one dick in my life and you out here swinging it.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Get out of my house. Like, I'm not signing the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: papers yet because I want the money right now, so
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the house. She also says like we broke up because
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: he's gay, and then her daughter is like, you don't
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: know that for sure, and then she like like that yeah.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: She's like, well he loved it when I stuck my
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: finger up his and then she means, no, I don't
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: want to hear it, and Tito was like, it's really
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: kind of fun. Tito did come in and say like, hey,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a finger up the bum, what's wrong with it? Yeah?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: But with that, I mean specifically with the I I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: know that she was given a name. I don't remember
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: what it is because I hate women but the character
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: who I just thought it was like a very vulnerable
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: writing point for like a middle aged woman to say, like,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: my husband has never had sex with me with the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: lights on. And I don't know if that's a him thing.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like, but it's clear that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: like she's internalized it and it's very insecure and it's like,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: is something wrong with me? And then I don't know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I mean it's I guess you can like come at
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: this movie in so many different ways because in a way,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: the married troop of male strippers is characterizes like these
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: men are coming to save you and make you feel
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: good about yourself again. And I think there is a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: way to look at that a little critically of like,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of movies that I think really effectively
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: show fellow women and people of marginalized genders like helping
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: each other through stuff like that versus like this guy
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: you just met making you feel good about yourself. But
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: I also think that there is like some beauty in
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: that and some like that character seems to feel so
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: like vindicated and comforted by the fact that it's like, no,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: you're hot, your husband is who knows what's going on
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: with him and you're beautiful and you're great, and like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I do think there is some value in hearing that
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: from someone that you're attracted to in a way that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: can be like really impact. I don't know, I liked
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: that scene, is what I'm saying, Especially because men are
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: not conditioned to be equipped to help really anyone with
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: their emotional issues that they're going through. I would like
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: sex workers of any gender are especially equipped to make
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: people feel valued and attractive and loved. That's like the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: service that sex workers often provide. So even though like
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: at large, men are conditioned in such a way to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: like not have those skills, these particular men that's their job,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: that's what they're good at. So like Donald Glover gives
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: that great sort of like mini monologue about about that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: of like how he and again, I do think that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: there's multiple ways to look at this where there is
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a patronizing vibe to a man saying like we're healers,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: we heal women, and you're like, yeah, sure, but like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: you know, but I think in the context of the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: movie it is like an attempted, very wholesome message because
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: when the conversation is before that is like Donald Glover's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: character talking about how through sex work he's like realized
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: how infrequently the women that he worked with are like
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: listened to and cared for. Yeah, and he's like, Okay,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: so this is something that I can provide that like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: unfairly the women that I meet are not given in
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: their day to day life, and it is I do
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: think it is a little overly simplistic, and I do
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: think it is, like, if you think about it too hard,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: a little patronizing, but because it kind of makes the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: women seem sad, like all of them are sad, and
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: some of us are just horny. Some of us are
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: like like, okay, i'm here, I'm single, you know, assumingly right,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Like it's like i'm single, I'm having fun or you know,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: like if you're like a couple of my friends that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: love going to strip club and they're not single, she's like,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing my man, Like we're having a great time.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Like we're just like we're enjoying, we're tipping the ladies.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Like there's a whole spectrum available of reasons why you
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: would like seek out entertainment like that. Yeah, that's I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: guess that that's like one of them more because this
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: movie is written and directed by straight white guys. Yeah,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: like man, and I think you know the fact that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: like mostly straight men are involved at the highest level.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really know how they pulled it off,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: but I do think that there is, like there is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: this tendency in this franchise that is true for some
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: women but not all, And I feel like maybe that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: is where like the a little bit of dissonance comes
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: in that like there is always ad a necessary emotional
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: aspect to seeking out sex, work or seeking out pleasure, Like,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: like there there's because of how the men in this
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: story approach their work, which again I'm like worked for me, um,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: but it does seem like it's like a prerequisite that
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: most of the women they come into contact with are
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: not just seeking a physical experience but seeking an emotional experience, right,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Which is a bit trophy to assume that women need
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: an emotional component to sex and pleasure because women are
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: so emotional, even though, of course many women and films
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: are very capable of non emotional sexual gratification. Although to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: go back to the kind of monologue that Andre gives
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: in the car, where he's saying, like, yeah, like men
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: don't listen to women. Men never ask women what they
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: actually want, and all we have to do is just
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: listen to them and ask them what they want. And
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: when they tell us, that's a beautiful thing. And my
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: initial reaction was like, it is beautiful, and oh my gosh, yes,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: it would be so nice to have someone listen to
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: me and ask me what I want. But then I
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: was like, damn, women have to pay men to listen
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: to them, and that does pretend to care about them.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: It is. I'm just like, but that has so many
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: implications too, because I'm like, well, first of all, it's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: indicative of the way it's like the individual he's fault, right.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: It's also it's just like indicative of the way men
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: are again like socialized in conditioned, especially in like hetero
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: romantic relationships, where like men aren't often really taught how
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: to like like be romantic or just like have the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: emotional intelligence to like care for their partners emotional needs,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: like just all this stuff. And I don't want to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: sound like I'm I'm suggesting that it's pathetic or anything
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like that in any way to like pay someone up.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that the movie is trying to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: code it that way. No, definitely not, And so I
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: just want to make that clear, like there's there's no
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: judgment from us or from the movie that like anyone
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: would pay for that type of like I don't know,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: just like emotional care that these men are often giving
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: to women. But I guess I was just reminded of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: the the bar is so low for male behavior where
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: it's just like all you have to do is just
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: like listen and then like check in with me, and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: then it's just like, oh my god, I'm coming. Literally,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: all those women, all those older women in uh, South Carolina,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: were just like gushing. They were just so happy to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: have these young men in their home. And also, like
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I think Caroline in Savannah like is also sort of
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: utilized to a similar extent. And it's like it sucks
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: because in both of those sequences, I was like so
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: thrilled for them that they were like getting something that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: they clearly like wanted. But with Andre and Caroline in
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: the Savannah sequence, like he brings her up, and I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: think that it seems like she's expecting, you know, I mean,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because I don't know if she's been
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: there before, but like you know, it seems like she's
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: expecting kind of a traditional, very very physical stripper experience
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: and then he lap dance fine, but then he shocks
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: and amazes her by asking her a question about her grandma.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: And it's like, again, that scene really works for me.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I love how it plays out, and it's like the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: character Caroline is clearly like wow, this is great. But
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I did feel like she's a doing hard hard. Becca
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: was so hard. That was like my challenge Cambio obsession
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: era right like the first time, and I was like, uh,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: you know, this time, I was like, I mean, I
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: was still kind of loved it, but I like back then,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I needed that. And
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: so it's like it's in a way it's like I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: don't know, like there's a way to come at it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: where you're like, wow, that is something that most women
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: don't even feel entitled to in their day to day life,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: to the point where it's like this would be a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: really unusual thing to happen. And then the other way,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know that, like guys are writing
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: and directing this, and it's like it is to some extent,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: men writing what they think women want and then controlling
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: the behavior of the women in the story to be like, Wow,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: this is what I want, and so it's like, you know,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: it's a little yeah. I think some of those interactions
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: would feel more authentic had there been more women behind
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: the camera in creative positions, making creative choices. I had
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: way more Like I watched the movie all the way
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: through and I was like, well, I love this, I'm horny.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: This is the best ever. And then I think I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: forgot this between our episode of Magic Mike a year
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: ago and now. But I was like, oh, yeah, this
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: was all written by a white guy who went to Harvard.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Now I feel dubious, like I was tricked. I enjoy
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: his work, I'm a fan, but you're also just like
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I don't want a white guy from Harvard to tell
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: me like what women of all generations and races and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: classes want, like how how? But you know what, knowing
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: that it was written by a white man from Harvard
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: does explain why there wasn't more nudity. I mean also
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: like the ratings some but to me, I'm like men
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: are so I feel like prude for themselves, which is
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: why the rating systems the way that it is, where
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: it's like we must exploit women's bodies, but like if
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: a dick is on screen, it's rated X. You know.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like this movie was a lot of fun
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: and it was horny in terms of the dancing, and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: like the storyline was I think a little bit more
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: horny than the last one, because the first one is
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: like more gritty. You're only focusing on magic Michael. You know,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: obviously magic Michael does his thing. But but I feel
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: like the first one was way more nudity in like
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: sexiness than in the second one. Like the second one
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: is like way more about the sensuality and the people
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: and like less bodies, Like we only see full ass
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: at the very end. Why wasn't there more acts? Was
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: not a problem with the first one, It was the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: last as we even saw a little bit of Joe
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: whatever his last name, I can't pronounce it. It's dick. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: we did, we did, and we didn't get any dick
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: in this movie. Dick. I wonder why that was, Yeah,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: because it was like this movie was more focused on
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: emotions and less focused on bodies. But I'm like, you
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: can have everybody, come on, let's figure it out. I'm
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: glad there wasn't like women knew this time, like there
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: wasn't the first one. I feel like there was like
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: unnecessary female nudity in the first one, where you're just like, Okay,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: I guess like we're just living in round Florida, and
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: I guess that's part of it. But in the second one,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, glad that we like course corrected that,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: but also you don't have to take all the udy out.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, the still men stripping, I want more stripping.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I had the same complaint, Well, well we're at it,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the women that are in this movie,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: because we've we've got to talk about them very much.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I think that to start with, I mean, uh, the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: women that we see in the kind of peripheral of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: this movie. And again, this feels like a very generally
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: positive but also like hinged with some baggage where there
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: is a lot of racial, class, and body diversity in
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: this movie on the surface, but in terms of who
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: gets characterized, it's still skews very straight and white. That said,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I was I think, even for a movie that came
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: out like right now, I was kind of struck by
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: And again, maybe this just says how low the bar is. Um,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: it probably does, but like there is a focus on
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: women feeling pleasure in this movie. This was a big
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: talking point when this movie came out. There are many, many,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: many like essays about how it's like, wow, women enjoying
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: themselves and like, oh god, we're just like so disservice.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: It's depressing. Like, but you do see like women across
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: all these different lines enjoying themselves and being treated like people,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: not being like monked or made a meal of by
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: the camera in any way that we're used to seeing.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: And there is like you just see a wide variety
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: of like people of marginalized gender like having a good
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: fucking time and that's great, Like I really loved that.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: But then in terms of like actual women who we
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: get to know and that's right, I feel like that's
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: perhaps a bit of a different story. Yeah, I think
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to body diversity and body size,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: where there's not much body diversity you see on screen
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: for the men, they all pretty much have a like
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: quote unquote standard male stripper body, which maybe you would expect.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: But also maybe there's a conversation to be had just
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: on a societal level about like rigid beauty standards when
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: it comes to strippers and dancers and models and entertainers
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: in general. And I don't think that that's even completely
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: like an accurate portrayal of like people who do sex work.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: There are men of all body types work, It's just
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: this movie focuses on guys with like pecks and six packs.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Very Hollywood, very very very shredded read. Yeah, um, there
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: is more body diversity seen in women on screen. While yes,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of thin women, but there are
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: people with bodies of all shapes and sizes on screen,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: including a number of fat women. However, are only ever
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: like featured extras. They're always in the audience of the shows.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: We never hear from them or learn their names or
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: hear them speak. They are always like spectators paying for
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: this like kind of idealized image of masculinity, whereas like
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: the love interest characters for the various men are all
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: thin and attractive by Western standards of beauty. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like the three I think main women
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: we get to focus on this movie are Amber Heard,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Jada Pinkett Smith, and Andy McDowell, who all have very
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: traditionally Western beauty standards bodies. I think in particular with
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: the Zoe character, that was like all over the place
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: for me because she felt very studio notes to me
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: of like why does the magic Mike have a girlfriend
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: in this one? Because she is on the peripheral of
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: every scene you have to keep cutting to her to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: remember that she's there, And it's like the script tries
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to give you and you do get like I almost
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: understood why they liked each other, but they don't even
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: like it just felt very weird, like where you do
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: get a little bit of background into who Zoe is,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: where she says, like what was it? Like I I
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: am a photographer, but like the first person who gave
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: me a career opportunity was trying to fund me and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: like it ended poorly, and like it feels like kind
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: of a story that like I think unfortunately a lot
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: of people are familiar with of like imposter syndrome of
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: like am I even good at this if the person
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: who gave me the opportunity was trying to sexually exploit me,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: which you know isn't exactly magical Michael's journey, but I understand,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: like why would sort of connect on feeling exploited and like,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: also he like seems to want like he notices her,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: he wants to make her happy. But the character just
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: like was pretty underwritten. And then on top of that,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, the things I appreciated about her
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: was that the movie went out of its way to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: make her canonically by in a way that wasn't mocking
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: or like challenged by the fact that she seemed interested
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: in Magical Michael. He didn't have an issue with it,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Like it wasn't even talked about really other than her
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: just stating it, which is rare, felt normalized. Yeah, but
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: I just felt like the character was just like why
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: is she here, Like in a way that as a
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: bummer in a movie with so few women. I just
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: didn't like. She didn't seem to have much narrative impact,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: and it just felt like she was added in in
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: a not the original draft. I also was confused by
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: an aspect of her character where at one point, I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: think when they first meet her and Mike, she says
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: that she's trying to avoid ending up on the poll,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: and I didn't know if that meant that she had
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: been a stripper and she's trying to avoid returning to it,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: because that's how I initially interpreted it. But then I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: was like, I think maybe, yeah, I think maybe she
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: means that she wants to avoid becoming a stripper, as
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: if that was something that like, if her photography doesn't
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: work out, it would be something that she would have
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: to quote unquote resort to. Yeah. I was like, that's
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: like a weird thing to stripper. And in this movie specifically,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: it felt like one of those comments that people who
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: have unconscious biases it just bubbles out of them, kind
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: of like when I don't like gay people, but you know,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: they say something homophobic. Like it felt kind of like
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the same byword, Like it's like that's cool that you
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: do it, but like I don't want to do it,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: but just like keep it behind clothes, don't every something
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: like that? Yeah right, yeah, Like I just I but
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: again it's like that I didn't even pick up on
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: that line, to be honest, but it just everything she
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: says and does feel so was this supposed to be here?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: That's how I felt. In the very first scene they chalked,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: I like literally even putting my notes. I was like
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: I felt like that improv Like it felt like they
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. Like I was like, was
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: this scripted? Like I felt like like she came up
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: to him and the notes were like talk about his
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: dick and he's peeing, and then they didn't know what
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: to do after that and they just like had weird
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: banter and then it didn't come up in the next
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: scene everything that had been Like That's why I was like,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: was this character added after shooting? Like I couldn't find
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: any information about it, and it probably wasn't, but like
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: it just felt like, you know, like magic. Mike in
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: the next scene talks with Ken about other stuff that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: they've established in the previous scene, but she doesn't come up.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: And I feel like normally in a scene like that,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: a character like Ken would be like so what was
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: up with that girl? Less like she just doesn't come up.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: It's like she wasn't there. Because they have this weird
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: way like asking each other if they've had sex the
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: night before and it's so corny, but they're like what
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: did they say? It made me? They're like did you bangy?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Did you bang me? Not? Did you bang? Did you
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: bang me? And I'm like, what are you babies? Like
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: what are you saying? They're All twelve. Not that I
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: would put it past heaters axual men to like say
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: ship like that, but not in my presence. This movie
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: is for me, Like I don't want to watch this.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I will say that I was so And I'm curious
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: how this kind of bears out with Magic Mike three,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: because I hope that between and now there has been
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, not a satisfactory, but significant cultural shift.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: And when this movie came out, the audience for Weekend
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: one was nine percent identifying as women. And I'm wondering
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: how that kind of bears out for Magic By three.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like have like men caught on to the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: fact that they're just fucking awesome movies. Yeah that they're fun,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: they're fun looking fun. What do you hate fun? Okay? Anyways,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I I just and then also on top
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: of that, and this is like no reflection on the actor,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: because it's like it's not her fault, but like the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: fact that for both movies, it just seemed like a
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: very sequel e thing of like, oh, yeah, he dated
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: a hot, thin white woman in the first movie, so
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: we just need to find a different, hot, thin white
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: lady for him to date in the second. Movie and
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, no, you don't. And also I wouldn't
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: have been bothered if I don't know. It's it's always
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: bizarre when we come up on movies like this where
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I just I wouldn't have mind did if
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: that woman wasn't in the story, because it's just like
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: she wasn't effectively fit in. She would show up at
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: random points. I don't think she really factors into Mike's
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: development as a character very much, And all it really
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: seems like for her development is like she was kind
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: of and this was like a note we had about
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Magical Michael's original girlfriend Brooke was that she's so uptight
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: she can't feel pleasure and like in an even lazier
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: way because she's barely in the movie. That's how Zoe's
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: character is made to seem like all the other women
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: in the scene are really engaged and they want to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: like not only get horny, but like talk about their
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: feelings and as do the men, and like it's a
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: very kind of like wow, this is cool, but Zoe's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: like I'm eating cake into kitchen. I'm not like the
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: other girls. I'm not horny, And it's just like what
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: are you trying to tell me with this character? Why
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: is she always in the other room? Like can she
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: ever be in the room. It's really bizarre to me
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: the way she's written. Yeah, um, but we have we
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: have other women to talk about that have way more
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: narrative Rome. Can we talk about Rome? Yes? I love
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: that she's a successful business owner. Most of her customers,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: it seems, are black women. It seems as though Rome's
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: like mission statement for her business is she wants to
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: create a space where black women can enjoy themselves, where
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: they can feel valued and appreciated and beautiful. She like
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: makes a point to like go around to different women
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: at this like horny mansion and be like and like
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: you're all queens. I have so many questions about the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Horny Mansion, like and and that said, like listeners, if
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: you know that these horny mansions exist and if they're safe,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: like drop the links. I want to go seriously to
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: the Horny Mansion. Um. But yeah, she just like she
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: wants to again just like create this safe space. And
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: it seems like a safe space for both the performers
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: and the clientele. And she seems just like be curating
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: this like great space again specifically for black women, because
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: black women are so historically undervalued and underappreciated that she's
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: and this never gets explicitly stated in the movie, but
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: that was my read on that, but also romantically discriminated,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like this is a safe space for black
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: women to express their desires and to be desired in
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: a way that like in the other club circles, I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: feel like it is more about like with the white
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: dancers and the white male entertainers, you know, it's about
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: them being like, look at me and all my sexiness,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: and I know you want this, whereas like in um
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Rome's club, you know, it's focus more from an honest
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: place of her pleasure, Like it's like, this is about
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: her desire and what does she want? How can we
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: make her feel special? Like this is about you and
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: not about how sexy I am. It's about how do
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: I turn you on? And there's so many rooms. There's
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: so many rooms that I got turned on um And
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I think, especially like I listens, I make a lot
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: of comments right now about black and row woman I am,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: and after Latina, I am a black and brown woman.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: But all that to say, I feel like it was
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: very beautiful to see like especially dark skinned black men
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: be interested in desiring these you know, or making these
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: black women feel desired, because so many times oftentimes like
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: that is so not the case. So I thought that
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: was really lovely. That was like, you know, a space
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: where these women can find what they're looking for because
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: their communities refuse to acknowledge them. So for sure. Yeah,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: and it felt like those themes and like that was
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: introduced in a very in a way that was very
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: organic to the story too, in a way that I
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: feel like sometimes killing I forget what movie we were
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: talking about this recently, where it feels like a lot
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: of times between movies and franchises, there's like a very
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: needed demand for like why was there no diversity in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: this movie? Why was there no like diversity of race
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: or class or body type or anything. And then the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: way that the sequels try to address it are very fine.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Here you go, like in a way that's very careless
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: and like worse than if they had done nothing. So again,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: it's like the bar is absolutely on the floor. I'm
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: not even congratulating the Magic Mike team for having done this,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: but it's like there was a glaring lack of diversity
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: in the first movie. It was something that we talked
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: about We're being in Florida, like it's like right, right,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: and and so it's like the movie, you know, like
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: it felt like the higher up creatives like did hear
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: that criticism and tried to make the movie more equitable
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: and diverse in a way that also felt very like
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: in step with what the story was and not in
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: a way that was like fine, there you go, like
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: because I feel like viewers can you can feel when
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: that's happening. For sure, I agree, especially with the club
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: being in Georgia, Like I felt like that was like
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: very organic to what it could have been. And I
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: think the only way they could have done it right
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: was having um rome b Jada Pagin Smith you know,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: or like a black actress like it definitely could not
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: have been a man. And I'm glad that they made it.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm a damn owning this horny mansion. Right. She's so
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: fucking I mean and truly like Jada Pinkett Smith is
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: just like such a potent person. She's so great. Like
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: you forget about Matthew McConney, like you just do, and
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: no you did not. I hated Matthew mcconnughey in the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: first one, I feel like a better edition, Like because
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Matthew coconney was so gross. His whole character was like
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I'm on cocaine. Was the vibe Like it was just
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: like and it wasn't like Matthew McConaughey, like his character
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: like did not respect or understand what women wanted outside
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: of a way that made him money. It just seemed
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: like Rome. It wasn't that she didn't want their money.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: She absolutely did, and judgment isn't passed on her for that,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: and I think rightfully so. But also it's like she
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: knew what to do better Dallas did. She was creating
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: a real experience set at the core was what these
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: women wanted versus Dallas is like, I'm a creepy, money
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: hungry man who owns a club, you know, which, Like statistically,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: women that own clubs like stripper clubs and things like
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: that have better, you know, employees because the women feel
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: cared for and protected in a way that men simply
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: don't do that to their workers. So well, a big
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: thing that the characters were dealing with in the first
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: movie is that Dallas was like exploiting their labor and
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: like not paying anyone well enough, whereas it seems like
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: in Rome's horny mansion, she's and again the movie doesn't
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: get into this with any specificity, but it seems at
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: least that the like male performers and entertainers in her
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: house are given like artistic freedom because some of them
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: are doing like very horny dances. And then you have
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Andre who like only just like takes his shirt off
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: and and he's just like freestyle wrapping the rest of
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: the time, like he's not doing like traditional stripping, he's
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: like doing his music and also like showing his abs too.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: But like it does it reminded me of like it's
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: like when you I don't know, I mean, I'm a
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: fan of Jumbo's clown Room in l A. And it's
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: like that is a club where it is predominantly women,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: but not exclusively, but like it's a club where as
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: far as I know, generally people who work their love
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: working there because they're given a lot of creative freedom.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: And that's like part of the point. And I think
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: that this is like a um criticism. I saw this
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: franchise that I don't know, I mean, I I have
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: never done sex working. I don't feel like my opinion
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: here carries a lot of weight, but I just wanted
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: to bring it up of like, because this movie I
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: do feel like there are elements of Magic Mike that
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: are like, it's kind of a fantasy movie in a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: lot of ways, because in order for it to be
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: as cathartic and amazing as it is, you have to
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: ignore things that happen in the world. Things that happen
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: in the world don't happen in the Magic Mike cinematic universe.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: And that's not a criticism. I'm glad that horrible things
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: don't really happen in this world. I love that about
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, I was like, this movie was pleasant
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: from start to finish, Like there's no real traumas, Like
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: it was just guys getting to know each other and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: solving their problem at the end of the day. That right.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: So I came across this article that that came out
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: at the time that this movie came out in twenty fifteen.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: It's by Chloe Cooper Jones in Vice articles called Magic
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: Mike Excel was the most important feminist movie, of which,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: my god, if that's true, U was goal for us.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: There's no women in the movie. But okay, right, um
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: not no women few okay um, But but she interviewed
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: the former president of the American Philosophical Association, a person
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: named Linda Martin Alcof, who had some criticisms with this
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: movie that I thought were interesting, even if I didn't
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: totally agree with them, and I just wanted to kind
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: of bring them up. She's sad. Dr Alcof quote. There's
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: a danger when popular culture uses feminist ideas in ways
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: that not only misrepresent, but mislead. This is the case
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: with Magic Mike XXL, which appears to be about the
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: gender equality of men and women in sex work. So
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: the movie makes use of this representation and then goes
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: on to portray sex work as a choice individuals can make.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: It does not show the real costs, the constant violence,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: regular dehumanization by clients, wage theft, and sexual violence that
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: is part of so much sex work. So there is
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: a falseness to that representation. Unquote. I see what she's saying,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: but I also don't think that that has a place
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: in this franchise. That's not why this exists exactly, but
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: it does feel worth acknowledging. We're obvious like this is
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: a fantasy, like magic Mike XXL Special. I feel like
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: the first one they like kinda like that it was
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: all over the place, honestly the first one, but the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: second one like it was like the goal is fun.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: This is a fantasy. We know that this is not
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: how the world works, but that is the point of fiction,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: that this is fiction so exactly. And then the other
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: criticism I myself of this movie popping up is for
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: all the diversity of like women feeling pleasure in this movie,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: outside of the fact that it's still um, straight thin
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: women that seem to be getting precedents, that there's no
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: representation of disability, which I think it's fair, especially in
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: a movie that seems to be prioritizing such a wide
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: spectrum of pleasure that we didn't see any disabled women
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: did feel a bit glaring. But okay, what can we
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about Andy McDowell's character. Yes,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: let's do it. I wanted to point out a few
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: positive a few things I enjoyed. You see sexual desire
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: in older women and like horny mom energy and like
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: they are expressing their frustrations of like some of them
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: are like feeling sexually repressed and you know, we we
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: talked to a little bit about this already, but I
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: was just I appreciated there being a representation of like
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: older women's sexuality being a thing on screen, and that
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: big dick Ritchie gets with an older woman or a
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: woman older than him, and they called her absolutely beautiful.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I think, like they were like that beautiful, amazing woman
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And they didn't call her old, and they
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: didn't say mills. And I appreciate that they were just
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: like she's hot as hell, good job, just accurate, I mean, right.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: And I also appreciated that you have a mom telling
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: her daughter to like play the field and like don't
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: stop until you find like the best dick of your life,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: where you would normally see on screen a mother like
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: slut shaming her daughter or like warning her of like
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: the quote unquote dangers of having multiple partners. I was
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: gonna say, because I tend to associate like a Southern
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: woman in her forties or fifties as being this kind
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: of like pearl clutching, like well, I never kind of like,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: oh my goodness, and I know that that's a stereotype,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: but I've seen it in a bunch of movies, and
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: when the only representation you see of something is a stereotype,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: you think that that must be the truth, which is
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: what our whole show is about anyway. Yeah, so for
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Nancy to be like, yeah, my daughter should fuck a
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: bunch of men, including male strippers, that was pretty serversive.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: That was pretty cool, I liked, And again, it like
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: fit into the story in a very cool and logical way.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I read a few um accounts of like younger women
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: bringing their moms to this movie and mom's feeling really
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: like liberated by that scene because I did. I think
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: it was in that same Vice article where um, the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: writer whose name is Chloe Cooper Jones was describing seeing
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: this movie with her mom and her mom like kind
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: of tensing up when the Andy mcdowalls scene started because
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: women are so conditioned to seeing like any woman over
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: a certain age treated as a joke if they're experiencing
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: any sexual desire. And then like really loving that scene
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: because I don't know, they're just like treated like people
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: that are horny, which makes sense, And I loved that
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: scene with like it just felt very like true to
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: that character where she was really horny, but also like,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: what's going on where um Andy mcdowall's character like asked
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: big Dick Ritchie, like if she could unzip him, and
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: then he was or what did he say? Like she said,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: can I pop the hood? Pop up something objectifying men?
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: That's not nice? But it's like that scene fucking ruled.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: I just like it was really it was really nice.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: I like that the movie wanted to take all of
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: these like I don't know, because it's like road trip
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: movies are so episodic like this, but this felt like
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: really intentionally episodic of like, here's a woman you don't
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: normally see in a movie like this, experiencing pleasure and
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: having a nice time. Isn't that great? All right, they're gone,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of like, yeah, that was great. Yeah cool.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Another kind of episodic thing that happens a little stop
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: they make on the trip is the drag Show, which
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I was the first stop. Yeah, yeah, I had some questions.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: So you have this scene taking place at a nightclub
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: called Mad Mary's. The drag queen character Tori Snatch played
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: by Vicky Vox, is like hosting this show and then
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: says something like all right, now, all of you amateur
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: queens get up here and strut your stuff, and I'll
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: give you four hundred dollars to the winner. No one
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: who gets on stage is in drag, including because like
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: you understand why, like Magic Mike and his friends are
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: not in drag. But the first few people who get
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: on stage were clearly people who were there to participate
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: in this drag competition, and for some reason, they're not
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: in drag. And then you have these seems as though
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: mostly straight guys going on stage kind of inserting themselves
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: into this like queer space, into this queer competition, I
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: would say, not doing a very good job, and then
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: somehow still winning, and he was half passing it big time,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: and nevertheless he persisted there. So I found that confusing,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: and it just felt like a scene that was written
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: by straight men. Oh for sure, it's like men, like
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: they had no idea. They were like, oh, well, Fluffy
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: like is wearing the what's a face costume from the Yeah,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: so he's wearing the costume, but that's not a drag costume.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: That is like a normal costume. And it's also vaguely
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: racialized because like that is a like Argentinian banana. I
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: think they're from Argentina. Those bananas, um, so you know
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: it's just like okay, it was like the closest they
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: could think. They're like, well, we can't actually put them
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: in drag because like that's too gay and these are
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: straight men. We have to remember that they dress up,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: but they're not gay. They're performing masculinity for women. It
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: has to be hetero, which is something that I'm curious about,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Like will the third movie Dare to not have a
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: single moment that feels a little no homo in a
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: way that I think that, Like, again, this movie improves
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: upon the first in that regard, but there are still
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: little moments where were just like why although there's one
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: crumb that I maybe would give the movie, give me
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: give me that crowb it's when I think they've checked
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: into the convention. So they're like staying in the hotel
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: in Myrtle Beach and Magic Mike and Tito get into
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: the one bed that's in the room, get into the
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: bed together, and there's no like gay panic moment, there's
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: no like what we hope to share a bed. They
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: just get into the bed together and start talking about
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: frozen yogurt, and I was like, wow, it's it's a crumb.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: But I was like, huh, but honestly, like most movies
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: would be like, now let's go like let's go wild
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: on this moment. And I guess the crumb is that
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: they like don't make fun of the drag queens or
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: like you know, going to a gay bar like they
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: were like they apparently go every year. Yeah, they like
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: say that they go every time that they go to
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: this competition. So another smidgen crumb, another tiny little crome,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: which like, yeah, it's like and it makes sense, like
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: it's like they have a lot in common. They work
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: in similar settings, like cool, it makes sense that everyone
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: would get along here and the movie doesn't like try
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: to do anything weird about it, right, and which just
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: goes to show how low the bar is, right because
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: you you're always like if something funked up about to happen,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: because I don't trust these men, but this, I mean,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: this franchise will will generally go with not even just
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: like a more realistic choice, but like the Path of
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Least Resistance narratively, like it makes more sense that this
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: group of men would be friends than not. So yeah, true, Um,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: is there anything else we want to talk about? No,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: but I do want to mention that the Twilight Stripper
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: moment killed me and I always felt like that was
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: very of the era as someone who used to be
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: a twy heart. I Team I. Okay, I bounced back
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: and forth, but I think ultimately I was Team Edward.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Oh that's the wrong answer. Unfortunately it's all about Team Jacob. No,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: but also like they're but the right answer is neither
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: team Nobody. Yeah, team not even Team Bella, like team
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Why am I reading this? Like all three of them
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: are kind of diabolical, and I was, Yeah, I was
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Team Jacob back in the day, and which you would
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: catch a lot of ship for that. It was brutal um.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: But also all three teams everyone's wrong. Everyone was wrong.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: Magic Mike EXXEL seems to understand that. It does seem
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: to understand that because they made fun of them, they
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: were like the fucking vampire acts warning. Yeah, And the
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: last thing I wanted to say, because I didn't realize
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: like the two I think the two most successful erotic
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: movies were Magic Mike XXL and the Final fifty Shades
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: of Gray movie. And so if we're putting ourselves in
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: that headspace, it made me appreciate Magic Mike exic fell
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: a lot more because you think of how you know,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: they are both technically folks on women's pleasure. But if
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: you watch a Fifty Shades of Gray movie, it's like, oh,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: this domineering guy who doesn't respect boundaries and it's like
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: ruining your life, like hates her, like you're just like, well,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: I guess honestly, Magic Mike x Excel was in that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: media landscape a miracle, which is so depressing. But yeah,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: that was that was my That was my final thought
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: on it. But does it pass the Bechtel test? Folks? Oh,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think it does or I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's two lines of dialogue. But in
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: theory you got Paris and Rome chatting about their love
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: for one another. But it is narrowly like in the
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: vein of male entertainment. So I feel like that would
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: have been the only time that it would have passed,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: right because all the horny moms are they aren't really
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: talking amongst themselves, They're mostly talking to the And I
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: do think it passed, but it wasn't like as thorough
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: passes you would like. I think there were like individual
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: because the movie does seem to go out of its
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: way to give every woman a name in a way
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: that almost felt glaring to me at some point, it's
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: sort of like these are my friends, blah blah blah
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: bla blah, and I'm like this pass eventual asked like what,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: because it was a popular discussion of like what lass
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: versus what wasn't. And I do think that there were
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: a few off hand exchanges in the Andy McDowell sequence
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: that would have passed. I think that the Rome and
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Paris like again contextually. Ultimately, I guess Rome's goal is
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: to get magical Michael into the room, but also she's
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: trying to get herself into the room. I think there's
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit of wiggle room there. It's not a
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: hard pass. You never see Megan and uh I can't
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: even remember her name in the movie, Zoe. You never
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: see them in a room together. They were like supposed
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: to be friends talk yeah. Yeah, Well, it's like because
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: Zoe just seemed so out of play, is out of time,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: out of movie in this movie, where it's like we
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: keep being told she and megat her friends, but it
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: seems like she disagrees with Megan on everything. And like
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: they never speak. So I do think like in a
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: movie like this, while it is very valuable to have
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: a movie that is focused on I think coded heterosexual
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: men coming to terms with themselves and each other in
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: an emotionally intelligent way, is a is a good mission.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of movies that do that well.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: This movie does it pretty well. But it's like there
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: was room for more women. It seems like, based on
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: the trailer that I've watched five thousand times for the
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: new magical Michael, that women are there. There are at
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: least two. There's like a mother daughter dynamic. In the
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: third movie, is Rossaiah is supposed to be Samahayaks daughter.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: I think that they say that in the trailer. I'm
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: pretty sure I'll watch it after this, but I don't know.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe I maybe, but I'm pretty sure that, yeah, they're
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: supposed to be playing mother daughter and like that's an
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: impression I got. Also, Channing Tatum knows her daughter and
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: then meets her mother, and it's like and that's like big,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, who is he dating? And then I'm like, well,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: maybe he's not dating anyone in this one, and maybe
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: that maybe he's been liberated from the need to be
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: in love with a boring character. But I like that
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: they didn't end up like truly at the end together,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, yes, he danced on her, but I
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: think obviously he's like, this is also my job, like
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: and I want to have fun and I think this
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: is funny. But I like that they didn't like kiss,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: like they didn't like it wasn't clear that they're like
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: ending up together. It was more like, like he had
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: mentioned throughout the whole movie, was like come have fun,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: like like you're young, like you're young ones your friends
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: want to go, like just have fun with a bunch
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: of strip your we're friends now. They mentioned like we're
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: friends now. So I do like that. Even though obviously
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: it's like gear that he she is like the romantic
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: interest of his I like that it wasn't actually very
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: romantic and that they didn't kiss. It just seems like
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: their lives intersect for a few days and then that's
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: kind of it. Yeah, It's like I love stories like that,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: and I agree with you Becca that it didn't seem
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: like the movie was like you'll be seeing this character again,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: like yeah, and that's fine, Like whatever you know. I. Yeah,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: I magical Michael. You know he's still hurting. He's still
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: hurting from Yeah, he'll from his engagement. You know, he
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: wasn't ready to take that off. He said he lit
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: a candle and everything. He was really tight. He was like,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I lit a candle and everything. She said, nod bacon.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: I don't understand, bacon. I had epic random bacon. She
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: still said, freaking no, I will never understand. If you're like, well, whatever, magic,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: you still got to grow up. Like there must have
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: been some other problems. She also sucked, so it's like
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: she did stop. She wanted him to quit stripping. Not cool,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah she was. She was a bit of a like
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: a traditionalist in a way that I don't think suited
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: the beauty that is magical Michael his lifestyle. But maybe
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: he's going to fall in love with Samahiak. I think
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: that to me is sexy. Yeah, they can do that
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: for two hours and I will watch it. I'll be happy.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: The same same writer. So the third one, Steven Soderberg
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: is back directing. I thought it was interesting. So and
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: I like like Steven Soderberg. I think he's a really
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: cool artist, where like he seems like kind of unpretentious
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: in the way he does stuff where he directed the
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: first movie and then for the second movie his cinematographer
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: from the first movie and him switched places. So in
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: this movie, the cinematographer is directing, Steven Soderberg is doing
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: the cinematography and editing, and they just kind of like
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: switched things up in a way that I thought was
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: like visually cool. And then in the final one or finding,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: I guess we're to believe perhaps could be the final one,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: but like you know, would I'd be mad? No, But
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: in the final with Steven Soderberg is directing again, which
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: I do think fits with the tone of the trailer
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: now that you've mentioned that, because the railer to me
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: is giving like step up one, yes, but like sexy,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: like it's like it's giving the same type of draws,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: like it's going to be more drama this time than
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: it is comedy. It does feel very like I haven't
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: seen any of the Tom Holland Spider Man's will be honest,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: but I do like, you know, this character, you know
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: and love is in London, question more, and that's like
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: what is happening in the third Magic Like I can't
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: wait to see it. I will see it opening weekends.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: I will laugh, cry, pee myself, like get very morny.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm there, That's why we're there, That's why
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: we go to the movies. The movie. We come to
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: this place, we come from magic. We come to this
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: place to laugh, to cry, to care. Um. How about
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: that nipple scale of ours where we rate the movie
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: from zero to five nipples based on looking at the
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: movie through an intersectional feminist lens. I'm going to give
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: this movie. This might be wild, but I'm gonna give
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: it three point five because the two kind of like
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: main thrusts of the movie. That's my new favorite way
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: to discree. I've been saying that ship we need to stop,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: we have to knock it out. It's triggering my fight
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: or flight response when we say that out loud. Okay, fine.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: The two main themes of the movie are male friendship
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: that is like healthy and productive or at least trying
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: to be. And they're doing it in a very like
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: the way hetero men are conditioned to behave when it
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: comes to like emotional vulnerability. But they are like talking
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: through their problems. They're expressing vulnerabilities. They are saying that
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: they love each other, and yes they're doing it while
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: they're rolling on Molly and I'm expressing their love does
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: lead to a car crash um, But generally it seems
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: like the movie is very much in favor of this
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: male friendship and I really appreciate that. And I also
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: appreciate the focus on and this is mostly through the
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Rome character, but her mission being like cult to vading
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: a space where women can like experience joy and pleasure
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: and to feel valued and to feel attractive and you know,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: all these things that are good. So I'm gonna give
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: the movie three and a half nipples. I will give
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: one to Jada, I will give one to Elizabeth Banks,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: the director of Cocaine Bear. I will give one to
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: the scene where Magic My dances to Pony by Genuine
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: and has sex with his work bench. And I'll give
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: my half nipples. And I'll give my half nipple to
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Tito because he deserved more characterization. I'm gonna go three
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: and a half as well. I think that the Zoe
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: character was kind of the biggest miss for me in
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: terms of a woman, where it felt like she was
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: a character who has added as a girlfriend kind of halfheartedly.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: We didn't get to know very much about her. Um,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: I do appreciate like we were just saying Becca that,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't forced on us as like and now
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: she's the great love of his life, because it just
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: like I wouldn't have worked at all. But it just
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: I you know, for someone who was pretty high build
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: in the movie, she could be removed from the movie
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: and nothing would change. She didn't really factor into Magical
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: Michael's growth at all. However, Rome is a great character.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: I really liked her. I liked that they reset everything
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of every Magic Mic movie. But I'm
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: like kind of bummed that we won't get to see
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: more of her because it feels like that character like
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: she just like I would see h spinoff movie only
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: about her same and her horny mansion and her horny mansion,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: like how do you the prequill Like her life was
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: magical Michael before went to Dallas, because those two have chemistry.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: It was like wow, when he kissed her hand, I
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: was like begging for her forgiveness. I was like, wow, Wow,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: this is great. Why isn't it me? I'm just gonna
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: right like it was Yeah, like I thought she was
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: a great character. I feel like she you know, I
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: would love to see her again down the line, but
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: in this movie she is wonderful. But I think for me,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: she and the animate Dowel characters were the best written,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: most narratively impactful women in the story, which is kind
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: of cool because you know they are like women over
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: forty and you don't usually see in kind of a
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: sexy movie older women taking narrative precedence over younger women.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: I think there was room for everybody, though, But I
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: love this movie. I love it's like focus on um,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: straight men getting their ship together. I love how it
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: celebrates sex work and doesn't shame it in the way
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: that I think the first movie, Tacit Lee did towards
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: the end. I think this movie kind of course corrects
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: that issue from the first movie. Um, there is more diversity.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: I know that some of it is sort of like
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: or much of it is very surface level and flawed,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: and we it is still a white character centric movie
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: in a way that I really hope the third movie
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: course corrects on Justice for Adam. But it's a hell
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: of a rob it's a hell of a horny movie.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy it and I also do like it
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: is kind of nice to come at a franchise like
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: this with general optimism, where I feel like with future
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: movies and most franchises, I'm like, there's no way they're
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: going to do any better and I just need to
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: manage my expectations. But for a two movie franchise, I
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: feel like they made significant strides between one and two.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: I am excited to see three. I hope it is
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: really awesome and at least I hope I get fucking
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: horny and a room full of my peers. That's what
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: I want. Um, so I will give it three and
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: a half. I'm going to give all of my nipples
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: to Twitch because I love Twitch and I was very sad,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: I honestly like I learned when Twitch passed because it
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: was like last month, and I was really sad, and
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: then I didn't I wasn't expecting to see him in
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: this movie, and then I was crying. Uh just um,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: you know, if you haven't seen Twitch dancing, and I
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: mean at any point, but like in his so you
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: think you can dance. Prime just a beautiful, wonderful spirit
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: in person, and I'm very sad he's gone. So all
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: my nipples are going to twitch. Nice Becca, how about you?
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my time to give away nipples. Okay,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: I'm also gonna go with three and a half. I
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: was leaning more for three, but then after our discussion,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: I landed on three and a half. But I will
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: say I really love the arc of this movie from
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: the first to the second. After watching them back to back,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: I think there was so much more joy in this
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: movie and it was just such a fun, lighthearted watch.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Obviously we dug into it. There's a lot to be said,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: but I think generally for the context of the movie
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: and the content and for the timing it came out,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: I think it is such a joy that, you know,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: for the most part, withheld with time, which is you know,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: rare for I think movies within even the past five years. Um.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: I will say I do wish was horn Ear in
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: the sense that I did not see enough nakedness for
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: being a rated art movie. It really felt like a
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: PG thirteen movie. I was shocked when I googled that
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: it was rated are still and I felt like the
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: most sex we got was in the last ten minutes
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: and that just wasn't enough for me. But otherwise, yeah,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: I agree with both, with everything you said. I don't
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: have much besides those two notes to add onto that
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: um and yeah, I'm gonna get my nipples to one
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: to Childe Cambino for my heart could not stand love,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: one A Chang Tatum because I've been horny for him,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: some step up, and then one Adam Rodriguez because I
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: love that man Delco forever. And then I have to
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: pulled a twitch ress in peace. Oh my goodness, Well, Becca,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, truly long time coming.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad we did it. Me too. This was
• 1:56:55
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• 1:56:57
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• 1:57:00
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• 1:57:02
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• 1:57:08
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