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#HURDLEMOMENT: Everything You Need to Know About Adaptogens · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Encourage everyone when bringing adaptions on board to think about
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Speaker 1: their day, like what does your day to day look like?
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Speaker 1: And where is there some sort of consistent routine all
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Speaker 1: of us have it. It's you know, maybe we do
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Speaker 1: something in the morning through our you know, French press
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Speaker 1: of coffee, or we have a little something sweet at night,
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Speaker 1: or we always make that midday smoothie, Like what does
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Speaker 1: your day look like? And that's the best time to
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Speaker 1: bring adaptations on board because I would always tell my
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Speaker 1: clients the medicine doesn't work if you don't take it.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Hurdler's Emily Abadi are bringing you another installment of
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Speaker 2: Hurdle Moment from Hurdle. Today, I am diving into something
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Speaker 2: that might not sound super sexy, but stick with me
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Speaker 2: here because it is important. That is adaptogens. I get
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Speaker 2: so many questions, what are they, how do they work,
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Speaker 2: what are they called? What do they look like? A
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Speaker 2: lot of them involve mushrooms? Do they taste like mushrooms?
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Speaker 2: Like so many things, And I'll be honest. Until a
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Speaker 2: few years ago, when I started using adaptogens as a
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Speaker 2: regular part of my routine, I just thought it was
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Speaker 2: a lot of like goopy hype. But I am totally
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Speaker 2: on the bandwagon again. They are in my regular routine
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Speaker 2: and I wanted to come to the feed today and
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Speaker 2: give you all the intel so you can make a
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Speaker 2: smart decision that can better your health. And that is
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Speaker 2: where Danielle Ryan Broida comes in. She is a registered
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Speaker 2: herblist and she's also a certificolistic nutritionist and national educator
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Speaker 2: Abody and at Hurdle podcast and this conversation. This idea
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Speaker 2: came because I had a lot of people reaching out
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Speaker 2: to me to ask about adaptagen. So if you have
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Speaker 2: down with Danielle Ryan Breida. She's the national educator for
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Speaker 2: four Stigmatic and I couldn't think of anyone better to
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Speaker 2: get on the show to talk to us about the
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Speaker 2: ever lovely topic of adaptagens. How you doing today, I'm
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Speaker 2: doing well, Thanks so much for having me excited to
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Speaker 2: drop in with you. I know, And here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: I feel as though, and I know that I include
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Speaker 2: a lot of things into my diet that have adaptagens,
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Speaker 2: and I talk about them a lot on the show,
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Speaker 2: and I'm pretty in the loop about why they're rad.
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Speaker 2: But I started to realize as I talked about them,
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Speaker 2: more here that I wasn't doing them justice, which is
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Speaker 2: why you and I are having this lovely opportunity to
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Speaker 2: connect today. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're in so many things, and the word is
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Speaker 1: definitely trending and being thrown around, and for good reason.
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Speaker 1: We all desperately need adaptagens to help us balance ourselves
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Speaker 1: through the wild, turbulent year of twenty twenty. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: we can kind of dig on one step deeper and
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Speaker 1: understand really what they are and why to use them
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Speaker 1: and everything that you want to know.
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Speaker 2: Okay, great, so you said it first, What are they?
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Speaker 2: Let's dive into that first. What are adaptogens?
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Speaker 1: Yes, so we're going to zoom out first and talk
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Speaker 1: about natural medicine because the way that we categorize any
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Speaker 1: natural medicine, whether it's a plant or a mushroom, is
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Speaker 1: based on its action, what it's doing for our body. So,
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Speaker 1: for example, I'll start with some more common herbs that
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Speaker 1: people might know of and be familiar with. We have
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Speaker 1: herbs that we might use for our digestion, say like
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Speaker 1: mince or ginger, So those are these put into this
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Speaker 1: category of digestive herbs. We have, you know, other categories
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Speaker 1: of herbs that help with our nervous system directly being
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Speaker 1: more sedative or hypnotic. Right, our passionflower, lemon, bomb, camomeal
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Speaker 1: could be in that category. So we have these groups.
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Speaker 1: Think of them like umbrella categories. And adaptogens are another category.
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Speaker 1: So they encompass both herbs and fungi. Right, So plants
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Speaker 1: and mushrooms, and there's four criteria which make a plant
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Speaker 1: or a mushroom an adaptogen.
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Speaker 2: Oh, this is this is good. This is the good stuff. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: this is what's up.
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Speaker 1: The first is that it's naturally occurring, so it's coming
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Speaker 1: from nature. The second is that it's non to toxic.
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Speaker 1: So there are plants and mushrooms that can be toxic. Right,
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Speaker 1: The more you take there can be either a beneficial
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Speaker 1: effect or if you take too much, there might be
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Speaker 1: a negative effect. With adaptogens, it's almost impossible to overdose
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Speaker 1: on them, so they're non toxic. The third is that
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Speaker 1: they're non habit forming. And so if you think of
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Speaker 1: something like green tea or coffee beans, right, things that
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Speaker 1: have caffeine in them, those are habit forming. You need
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Speaker 1: to take more and more to experience the same effect.
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Speaker 1: Adaptations are non habit forming, which means you want to
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Speaker 1: take them every single day, and they actually work best
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Speaker 1: when you take them long term. And then this fourth
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Speaker 1: categorization is what trips people up sometimes, and it's that
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Speaker 1: they're non specific. And so what do I mean by this?
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Speaker 1: Most natural medicines or things that we ingest push our
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Speaker 1: body in a certain direction, so they might be more
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Speaker 1: stimulating or relaxing. With adaptagens, they're nonspecific. So depending on
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Speaker 1: the state of your body, there's going to be a
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Speaker 1: slightly different reaction to bring your body back into a
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Speaker 1: state of balance. So, for example, if there's overactive stress
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Speaker 1: in your body, you take an adaptagen, it'll tamper down
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Speaker 1: that stress response. If say, you know you're really exhausted
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Speaker 1: and you need more energy, you can take that same
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Speaker 1: adaptagen and it might calm that stress response to bring
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Speaker 1: an increase of energy on board. So they're pun intended
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Speaker 1: helping your body to adapt to primarily different stressors.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, So if you are hoping that an adaptagen
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Speaker 2: will do one thing, it could technically do another thing.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we basically take them on board. It's just like
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Speaker 1: part of the everyday magic of you know. Functional mushrooms
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Speaker 1: are some of my favorite adaptagens, but they really will
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Speaker 1: bring your body what your body needs, and oftentimes we
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Speaker 1: don't know what our body needs. We think that, you know,
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Speaker 1: we need a specific quick fix band aid, you know,
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Speaker 1: a pill that's going to be this magic formula that's
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Speaker 1: going to get us where we need to go. And
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Speaker 1: adaptions are much more subtle in terms of bringing this
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Speaker 1: equilibrium so that our bodies can function optimally on their
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Speaker 1: own without being kind of tricked or pushed in a
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Speaker 1: certain direction. It's really like stoking our own body's vitality.
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Speaker 1: Like the body is brilliant, you know, the body has
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Speaker 1: evolved to deal with whatever it might be, whether it's
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Speaker 1: healing a cut on your leg and being able to
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Speaker 1: scar over and repair that tissue or deal with you know,
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Speaker 1: all sorts of things. The way that we deal with
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Speaker 1: stress is fascinating and we can digive into that, you know,
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Speaker 1: the evolutionary way we dealt with stress. But the body
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Speaker 1: is really wise and so with adaptogens, they're not band aids.
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Speaker 1: They're really this long term way of supporting the body's
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Speaker 1: natural vitality. Like this flow, this energy. In every tradition
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Speaker 1: there's a different word, you know energy in the West
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Speaker 1: or chi or whatever word resonates with you, but it's
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Speaker 1: really activating your body's own vitality so that you can
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Speaker 1: show up into in the world. Is the most optimal
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Speaker 1: version of yourself naturally, right, without having a crutch or
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Speaker 1: something that you're leaning on to get you there.
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Speaker 2: Awesome? Okay, So I take as I mentioned, a fair
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Speaker 2: share of things with adaptagens, and there are a few
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Speaker 2: different types of adaptagens in what I regularly consume from
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Speaker 2: the Greenspotter. I use in the morning too, things like
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Speaker 2: my four sigmatic coffee. So let's talk about maybe two
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Speaker 2: or three if possible, buzzy adaptogens that tend to be
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Speaker 2: in a lot of things. And I'm also curious on
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Speaker 2: this note if it's possible to have you said it's
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Speaker 2: hard to overdose quote on quote on adaptagens, but like
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Speaker 2: what's the right amount as well?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a really great question because just like
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Speaker 1: any category of natural medicine, there's a spectrum. So there's
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Speaker 1: adaptagens that are going to be more gentle and nourishing,
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Speaker 1: things like oshwagonda or tolsi holy basil, and then there's
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Speaker 1: adaptions that are going to be a little bit more
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Speaker 1: aggressive per se which could be more of our you know,
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Speaker 1: aluthros or you know, even cordyceps mushroom. So there is
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Speaker 1: this range, and so you can choose which adaptagen is
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Speaker 1: right for you kind of based on.
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Speaker 2: What you're looking for.
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Speaker 1: So while they have these you know, those four criteria
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Speaker 1: that we laid out, they all have those in common,
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Speaker 1: they each have something a little additional that makes.
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Speaker 2: Them who they are. Right.
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Speaker 1: For example, we both have a lot of things in common.
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Speaker 1: We're sitting here spending our afternoon together talking about adaptagen,
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Speaker 1: so we have that commonality, and yet we each offer
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Speaker 1: something unique into the world. Similar similar kind of metaphor
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Speaker 1: holds true with our adaptogens.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So how much of an adaptagen is a
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Speaker 2: normal amount of an adaptagen? And is it possible to
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Speaker 2: be adding too much to your diet at once? So
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Speaker 2: this is a really important question. There's a couple layers
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Speaker 2: to it. I think of adaptagens like, okay, we're going
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Speaker 2: to use this example of a city. Okay, So in
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Speaker 2: a city, there's often a reservoir, which is, you know,
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Speaker 2: this pool of water. So if there's drought.
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Speaker 1: In the city, you can pull from this resource, right,
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Speaker 1: and you can bring the city back into from a
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Speaker 1: state of stress. Right. Oh no, there's not enough water
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Speaker 1: into Okay, we're bringing balance again here, we're pulling from
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Speaker 1: this reservoir. Think of adaptagens like filling up what I
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Speaker 1: call our own bodies vital reserve. Okay, so if you
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Speaker 1: are acutely in a state of stress and you take
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Speaker 1: an adaptagen, it could be beneficial.
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Speaker 2: But what we want to do is.
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Speaker 1: Fill that reservoir, build this vital reserve so that when
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Speaker 1: the stressor comes, which is inevitable, we have the tools
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Speaker 1: the resources to more efficiently deal with it and then
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Speaker 1: bring our bodies back into a state of balance quicker.
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Speaker 1: So the dosing is going to depend on a couple things. Really,
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Speaker 1: every single body is unique. Which is part of the
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Speaker 1: beauty of natural medicine is that it's really not necessarily
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Speaker 1: about your gender, or your age or your weight, you know,
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Speaker 1: that would dictate how much you need. It has much
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Speaker 1: more to do with internal states. How is you know,
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Speaker 1: what level of stress are you dealing with, How well
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Speaker 1: is your liver functioning? You know?
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Speaker 2: How healthy is your gut?
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Speaker 1: You know? And are you able to actually absorb the
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Speaker 1: compounds from these adaptagens You're ingesting. So there's kind of
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Speaker 1: these subtle factors. But and then it really depends on
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Speaker 1: the species as well. So when we talk about mushrooms,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of a separate topic and there's a lot
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Speaker 1: to look for in terms of dosing. When we're talking
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Speaker 1: about our plant adaptogens, it's a little simpler, and I
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Speaker 1: recommend starting with five hundred milligrams a day, and then
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Speaker 1: the high end to start with being fifteen hundred milligrams
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Speaker 1: a day.
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Speaker 2: Okay, And if you were taking say in the middle
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Speaker 2: of that, how would you know if you were taking
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Speaker 2: too much?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we always want to check in with our
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Speaker 1: body and never use adaptagens as a crutch. Okay. This
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Speaker 1: is like kind of the piece with adaptagens is I
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Speaker 1: find it's so easy for us in the modern day
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Speaker 1: to be like, I just need something that's going to
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Speaker 1: help me get through today. And with adaptagens, they're really powerful,
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Speaker 1: and they're really great at bringing us into this state
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Speaker 1: of calm and balance, and I never want people to
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Speaker 1: be reliant upon it. So while you're taking adaptagens, you know,
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Speaker 1: I almost recommend simultaneously building the system from a dietary
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Speaker 1: perspective or making sure that you're replete in certain nutrients,
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Speaker 1: like making sure you have a good foundation so that
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Speaker 1: you're not using adaptagens to just as a way to like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is getting me by. This is like I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna take more and more to get by.
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Speaker 2: Right, Because when you take them, it's not like all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden you have like a total energy boost.
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Speaker 2: I feel as though the energy that I get, Like,
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Speaker 2: for instance, I am a huge fan of making a
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Speaker 2: smoothie about an hour after I have my lunch, and
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Speaker 2: I'll use the four segmatic peanut butter protein which I
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Speaker 2: am so so so so such a big fan of,
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Speaker 2: and I'll use that, and I feel as though it
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Speaker 2: is just part of the insurance policy. Right, It's like
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Speaker 2: something that I can do that I can use. That
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Speaker 2: means I don't need to walk over to min Espresso
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Speaker 2: and make another iced coffee.
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Speaker 1: Totally, yes, absolutely right, instead of having this, you know,
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Speaker 1: just reaching for our stimulant. It's like, how can we
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Speaker 1: actually give our body what it's looking for to function
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Speaker 1: in the way that we want, you know, when we
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Speaker 1: reach for that cup of coffee. Most of us want
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Speaker 1: to be more productive and focused and you know, have
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Speaker 1: a clear head but what we're often taught is like,
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Speaker 1: this is the only option for that drink another cup
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Speaker 1: of coffee. And so by bringing on board things like
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Speaker 1: functional mushrooms plant based adaptogens, we can often get the
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Speaker 1: results we're looking for without a lot of the negatives
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Speaker 1: that come with some of the crutches that are you know,
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Speaker 1: may be more.
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Speaker 2: Used to is there at best time of day to
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Speaker 2: take something that has adaptogens?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it depends on which adaptagen you're taking. So
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Speaker 1: this is a really great question. There's adaptions kind of
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Speaker 1: like what I mentioned which will be more energizing, So
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Speaker 1: things like alu throw and Rodiola route. We want to
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Speaker 1: take those more in the morning or you know, latest
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Speaker 1: I would recommend like early afternoon if you're someone that
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Speaker 1: has that mid afternoon cup of coffee. Uh. And then
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Speaker 1: there's adaptions that are much more relaxing. And so these
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Speaker 1: are our Rachi mushroom, are Oshogonda holy basil, And so
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Speaker 1: it always comes down to you know, the thing with
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Speaker 1: adaptagens is you got to be consistent.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: I can't say it enough. They're not band aids. We
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Speaker 1: have to make sure that we're taking them long term
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Speaker 1: to really experience the benefits. And so I encourage everyone
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Speaker 1: when bringing adaptions on board to think about their day,
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Speaker 1: like what is your data day look like? And where
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Speaker 1: is there some sort of consistent routine all of us
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Speaker 1: have it. It's you know, maybe we do something in
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Speaker 1: the morning through our you know, French press of coffee,
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Speaker 1: or we have a little something sweet at night, or
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Speaker 1: we always make that mid day smoothie, Like what does
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Speaker 1: your day look like? And that's the best time to
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Speaker 1: bring adaptogens on board because I would always tell my
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Speaker 1: clients the medicine doesn't work if you don't take it.
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Speaker 1: So rather than be prescribing like this is the perfect
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Speaker 1: time of day and the perfect day, it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we've got to make it work for your routine, meet
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Speaker 1: yourself where you're at. That is where long term sustainable
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Speaker 1: results really come from is and it can be it
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Speaker 1: can start so simple. And that's why I love what
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Speaker 1: we're doing it for sigmatic is we're really embedding these adaptagens,
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Speaker 1: super foods, functional mushrooms, like the most nutrient dense ingredients
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Speaker 1: on the planet into things that are so easy, that
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Speaker 1: are so part of our day to day lives, like
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Speaker 1: we don't even think about them. That it's almost more
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Speaker 1: challenging to make it not part of your daily routine, right,
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Speaker 1: you just want to do it every day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think also to go hand in hand
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Speaker 2: with this a great comparison to integrating adaptagens, Like what's
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Speaker 2: important is that you take them and that they're in
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Speaker 2: your day, maybe not so much exactly where they're placed.
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Speaker 2: It's almost like consuming water, right, It's like you want
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Speaker 2: to consume water throughout the day, and their number one
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Speaker 2: priority is consuming water throughout the day. And it doesn't
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Speaker 2: matter if you drink it with meals or you drink
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Speaker 2: it in between meals or where you're taking it. Just
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Speaker 2: focus on having water period. Yes.
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Speaker 1: I love that, and I think, you know, that's a
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Speaker 1: really great starting place. And then if after a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks, like okay, I got this, and someone's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm super down with my water routine. I'm being consistent,
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Speaker 1: I'm drinking X amount of ounces a day, and then
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Speaker 1: they're like, now I want you know the next level,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, probably don't drink that water with
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Speaker 1: your meal if you can handle it, so you can
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Speaker 1: make sure you have all those great digestive enzymes that
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Speaker 1: aren't diluted while you're eating. Similarly, with adaptogens, like step one,
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Speaker 1: just bring them in. You know, notice where your routine is,
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Speaker 1: bring them in, you know, the more stimulating adaptions in
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Speaker 1: the morning, if you have more of an evening routine,
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Speaker 1: bring more of the calming adaptagens on board. And then
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Speaker 1: from there we'll have a two point zero where we
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Speaker 1: go like the best practices of you know when to
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Speaker 1: take with what, you know the synergy of when you
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Speaker 1: combine adaptogens. There's so much we can get into totally.
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Speaker 2: Okay, a couple last listener questions to bring into the mix.
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Speaker 2: One are adaptagen safe wall breastfeeding.
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Speaker 1: So this is a great question. It's really interesting as
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Speaker 1: a as a registered herbalist, there's only three types of
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Speaker 1: individuals who it's actually illegal for me to work with.
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Speaker 1: One of them are cancer patients, the other are pregnant
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Speaker 1: and breastfeeding women, and the other are children under two.
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Speaker 1: And so there's such vulnerable you know, when you're when
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Speaker 1: you're going through pregnancy, breastfeeding, the postpartum phases, your body
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Speaker 1: is adjusting in so many ways, especially hormonally, which is
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Speaker 1: oftentimes where adaptagens are targeting.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Stress is a hormone port of all right, So I
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Speaker 1: do have to say it's so body dependent. I know
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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of pregnant women that do
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Speaker 1: take adaptagens at certain phases in pregnancy, but there's specific
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Speaker 1: adaptagens based on your body so always, you know, and
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Speaker 1: we can in the show notes link some herbalist recommendations
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Speaker 1: that specifically focus on women's fertility and making sure that
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Speaker 1: you're choosing the right herbs, whether they're adaptagens or even
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Speaker 1: other herbs that that are right for your body at
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Speaker 1: these really vulnerable and import certain times of your life,
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Speaker 1: like you know, pregnancy being such a such a loud
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Speaker 1: example of that.
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Speaker 2: I've never had a guest tell me what we should
21:09
Speaker 2: include in the show notes, but I love that. I'm
21:12
Speaker 2: so in Danielle Well. So many people like.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you know after shows, you know, oh, can I
21:19
Speaker 1: schedule an appointment? And there are so many incredible Rbliss
21:23
Speaker 1: and practitioners out there, and I think it's a really
21:26
Speaker 1: underrated art where it's so easy to get herbs. You know,
21:30
Speaker 1: we can pick them up in any grocery store, most
21:33
Speaker 1: of our pharmacies now and it is medicine, and so
21:37
Speaker 1: I would want to remind us like there's a proper
21:39
Speaker 1: way and to really see the most beneficial results. It's
21:43
Speaker 1: so important to work with someone like I even have
21:46
Speaker 1: an herbalist. I don't make my own formulas for myself, right,
21:50
Speaker 1: And when it comes to natural medicine, it's really like matchmaking.
21:56
Speaker 1: Like what I mean by that is, you know the
21:58
Speaker 1: big difference when we're talking about natural medicine, like our
22:01
Speaker 1: adaptogens and Western medicine are. With natural medicine, there's a synergy.
22:07
Speaker 1: So you have this whole form with tons of different
22:12
Speaker 1: compounds working together right in harmony. And when we have
22:18
Speaker 1: a medication, right, a Western you know, FDA proved medication,
22:23
Speaker 1: it's one synthesized compound that can have a repeatable effect
22:29
Speaker 1: in almost anybody that takes it.
22:30
Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: One of us take an end sad right, like an ibuprofen,
22:34
Speaker 1: and it'll have a similar effect no matter who you are.
22:39
Speaker 1: With natural medicine, it's so different. It's like each of
22:43
Speaker 1: us as a human is unique, right, And there's different
22:48
Speaker 1: in Western herbalism. We call them constitutions, which means some
22:52
Speaker 1: of us are prone to be a little more warm,
22:54
Speaker 1: a little cooler, a little more moist, a little more
22:58
Speaker 1: dry andre veda right, traditional Indian medicine, there's these three doshas,
23:04
Speaker 1: are you more airy, fiery, earthy? In traditional Chinese medicine
23:08
Speaker 1: there's four you know, different body types, and you can
23:13
Speaker 1: look at this. This is an almost all traditional folklore.
23:17
Speaker 1: We recognize that not all bodies are the same. And
23:20
Speaker 1: when we look at our natural medicines like our you know,
23:23
Speaker 1: grati mushroom, our aluthro root, whatever we might be talking about,
23:27
Speaker 1: they also have different energetics. So you know, there's plants
23:32
Speaker 1: that are a lot more warming, right I think of
23:35
Speaker 1: like ginger or cayenne pepper. And there's herbs that are
23:41
Speaker 1: a lot drier, like think about cannabis is like or nettle.
23:44
Speaker 1: You know, these are like some of our premiere really
23:46
Speaker 1: dry herbs. And so instead of just saying like oh
23:49
Speaker 1: I read that, you know oshwaganda is great to support
23:54
Speaker 1: my stress response and chill me out, it's like okay,
23:58
Speaker 1: but but is that right for for your body? And
24:00
Speaker 1: I feel like this is kind of the magic missing
24:02
Speaker 1: link that a lot of people just grab something and
24:06
Speaker 1: don't and miss like, okay, how am I actually feeling?
24:09
Speaker 1: And is this right for what my body needs? And
24:13
Speaker 1: there's so much incredible synergy that happens when you get
24:18
Speaker 1: that match right. You know, when it's like, Okay, my
24:20
Speaker 1: body's a little more dry. I love it. Six thousand
24:23
Speaker 1: feet in Colorado, Like it's dry up here. So your
24:26
Speaker 1: your environment where you live in definitely has an effect
24:29
Speaker 1: on your constitution. So I'm dry, So I know that
24:33
Speaker 1: I need some more moistening herbs, you know, think of
24:36
Speaker 1: like alobera. These really like moist we call them demulsion,
24:42
Speaker 1: you know, natural medicines, and so yeah, just taking into
24:45
Speaker 1: account too, like you know, just always listening to your body,
24:50
Speaker 1: because each of our bodies are unique, each of the
24:52
Speaker 1: plants and mushrooms are unique, and so it's really about
24:55
Speaker 1: finding the right dose for you. And matchmaking is like
25:01
Speaker 1: the best example that I can relate it to.
25:05
Speaker 2: And the last question I have for you today, how
25:07
Speaker 2: long would you say, I know, we talked about the
25:10
Speaker 2: reservoir effect so to speak, but how long would you
25:13
Speaker 2: say that someone could be taking adaptagens regularly to start
25:19
Speaker 2: to maybe feel a difference.
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Speaker 1: I would give them six weeks, so every single day
25:25
Speaker 1: for six weeks, starting at a minimum of that five
25:28
Speaker 1: hundred milligram dosage, and then listening to your body throughout,
25:31
Speaker 1: you know, building up or stepping down based on how
25:34
Speaker 1: you feel. Yeah, before kind of judging, aga, this works,
25:38
Speaker 1: this doesn't. But what's so cool about adaptions is they're subtle.
25:42
Speaker 1: So I would recommend before you bring on X adaptogen
25:46
Speaker 1: into your daily routine, writing down maybe I call it
25:51
Speaker 1: like a symptom checklist, but writing down a couple of
25:53
Speaker 1: ways that you're feeling, so you know, this is how
25:56
Speaker 1: my digestion is looking, This is how well I'm sleeping,
26:00
Speaker 1: This is you know, whether or not you get headaches,
26:03
Speaker 1: your hunger level, and then put that aside, just like
26:06
Speaker 1: put it in a cupboard, don't look at it. And
26:08
Speaker 1: then every day you take your adaptro gen. Six weeks
26:13
Speaker 1: later you fill out the same checklist, right, and Okay,
26:17
Speaker 1: this is how my digestion's doing. This is my head,
26:19
Speaker 1: this is my sleep, and then compare the two and
26:23
Speaker 1: that is the best way because there's not like, oh,
26:26
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I have this and then it
26:28
Speaker 1: fixed this. They're much more building and nourishing, and so
26:34
Speaker 1: we notice them in different ways, and it's so fascinating
26:39
Speaker 1: to you know, working with clients and you could be
26:42
Speaker 1: dealing with something and once it goes away, we really
26:47
Speaker 1: forget what we were dealing with. It's fascinating. It's like
26:50
Speaker 1: you could have headaches every single day for three years
26:53
Speaker 1: and once they go away, you forget that you had headaches, like, oh, yeah,
26:57
Speaker 1: I was dealing with that. So it's it is really
27:01
Speaker 1: important to have that kind of before and after so
27:04
Speaker 1: you can look and notice, Okay, this is actually what shifted.
27:08
Speaker 1: A lot of times when we're in a state of
27:11
Speaker 1: stress and we bring adaptions on board, things that we
27:14
Speaker 1: don't think have anything to do with stress begin to resolve,
27:19
Speaker 1: or you know, we begin to get more energy and
27:21
Speaker 1: vitality in certain areas. You know, it's basically like we're
27:24
Speaker 1: taking ourselves out of out of survival mode and allowing
27:29
Speaker 1: our bodies to start restoring and working optimally once again.
27:34
Speaker 1: And so give them six weeks. Keep checking in with
27:38
Speaker 1: your body throughout before and after checklist would be a
27:42
Speaker 1: top recommendation. And yeah, and then share your results. It's
27:47
Speaker 1: really important.
27:48
Speaker 2: You know.
27:48
Speaker 1: Stories are one of the most profound ways that we
27:51
Speaker 1: can learn about natural medicine and what they do. Right.
27:54
Speaker 1: That's how they've been passed on for hundreds, sometimes thousands
27:57
Speaker 1: of years, depending on the culture, and so it's like,
28:00
Speaker 1: don't believe me, bring them on board, and then let
28:03
Speaker 1: us know what you feel and your experience will be
28:05
Speaker 1: unique and add to add to the kind of knowledge
28:09
Speaker 1: base of what we know about.
28:11
Speaker 2: That species that you took. I'm so grateful for this.
28:16
Speaker 2: I feel like this is everything I wish that I
28:19
Speaker 2: knew before I started taking adaptogens. I mean when I
28:23
Speaker 2: started taking adaptogens, I think I was working at self
28:29
Speaker 2: maybe four years ago, and I had written up a
28:33
Speaker 2: blurb about past hurdle guests Moonjuice founder Amanda Chantel Bacon,
28:38
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, if Amanda takes them, then
28:40
Speaker 2: I should definitely start taking them. And I knew nothing.
28:46
Speaker 2: And so it wasn't until I'd say about two two
28:49
Speaker 2: and a half years ago that I started consistently every
28:52
Speaker 2: single day putting them in to my routine. And I've
28:56
Speaker 2: never looked back. And so I agree with you. I
28:58
Speaker 2: think the stories are important. And I really love your
29:01
Speaker 2: piece of advice when it comes to the journaling and
29:03
Speaker 2: the checklist and just really checking in with yourself, because
29:07
Speaker 2: I think that that's something that when things are busy
29:09
Speaker 2: and we're feeling stressed or anxious or whatnot. We don't
29:12
Speaker 2: take the time to do that self inventory, and that
29:15
Speaker 2: self inventory can make a major, major difference. So thank
29:20
Speaker 2: you so much, Danielle for sharing your wisdom with me.
29:24
Speaker 2: And depending how the hurdlers feel about this, you guys,
29:27
Speaker 2: let me know. But I have a feeling that we
29:29
Speaker 2: have a lot more things that we can talk about
29:30
Speaker 2: in the weeks and the months to come.
29:33
Speaker 1: For sure, thank you so much for having me. Yeah,
29:37
Speaker 1: it feels like such an important time to really be
29:40
Speaker 1: digging into adaptagens and you know, these natural, long term
29:45
Speaker 1: solutions to our stress response. You know, this year, I've
29:49
Speaker 1: never gotten more questions about what can I do to
29:52
Speaker 1: support my stress? You know, it keeps coming unexpectedly. I
29:55
Speaker 1: get another trigger, like every day, every week, what can
29:59
Speaker 1: I be doing? And so just to speak to the
30:01
Speaker 1: times that feels so relevant and it's such an easy way.
30:06
Speaker 1: You know, I always say, like add before you take away.
30:09
Speaker 1: You know, it's something that you can add. Think of
30:10
Speaker 1: it like a little gift that you're giving to yourself
30:13
Speaker 1: to feel better every day, you know, in a really
30:17
Speaker 1: really simple, in a simple way that is also delicious,
30:20
Speaker 1: and yeah, check in with yourself, make it, make it
30:24
Speaker 1: something special. And that extra piece of mindfulness goes so
30:28
Speaker 1: far when you're taking when you're taking adaptations.
30:32
Speaker 2: I'm about it. Thank you so much. How did the
30:34
Speaker 2: hurdlers find you? How do they keep up with you?
30:36
Speaker 2: Give me the details.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, my website is Danielle Ryanwellness dot com. You
30:43
Speaker 1: can also find me on four sigmatic dot com. We
30:47
Speaker 1: just launched a great mushroom academy. It's totally free, so
30:50
Speaker 1: you can go check that out on for sigmatic dot
30:52
Speaker 1: com on social either at for Sigmatic or at Danielle
30:58
Speaker 1: Ryan Bryda.
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