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Drag Race Secrets, Bachelor Sex Scandals, and Swiftie Rumors Fixed with World of Wonder · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm gonna do a
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  Speaker 3: couple topics and then I have such a juicy interview.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it. First of all, I wanna say
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  Speaker 3: a couple more things about the Taylor wedding. You're like, Heather,
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  Speaker 3: I'm done. Well, I need to correct myself. I talked
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  Speaker 3: about this girl who, what appeared to be in her
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  Speaker 3: Instagram photo in which TMZ picked it up that she
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  Speaker 3: was wearing a stark white dress as I described it.
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  Speaker 3: The boyfriend has gone online to defend her and say
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  Speaker 3: it was champagne pink and that the light from her
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  Speaker 3: phone made it look more white. Listen, I had no
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  Speaker 3: problem with her wearing it. I don't think it matters
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  Speaker 3: what you wear as long as you're wearing a formal
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  Speaker 3: dress or cocktail dress that follows the guidelines of black tie.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know if her wedding invitation said black tie. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: a couple other weird things that they did that people
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  Speaker 3: thought were weird, other people thought was great, is that
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  Speaker 3: with the, all the different little like arcade games and
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  Speaker 3: stuff they brought in, there was also an auction. And
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  Speaker 3: one of the items was a Chanel purse. I'm assuming
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  Speaker 3: it was a real Chanel purse. And this wife of
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  Speaker 3: somebody important won it. And that was fun for her.
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  Speaker 3: And people thought that was so odd. And they're like, no,
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  Speaker 3: it was auctioned off for charity. So then I'm on
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  Speaker 3: auction off. So are the people doing, did they do
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  Speaker 3: an auction too? Or did they just do a cute
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  Speaker 3: little raffle? Like everybody take their winning tickets from the
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  Speaker 3: arcade and we've got some fun prizes. Still weird, still
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  Speaker 3: weird for a wedding. But again, it was her fricking
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  Speaker 3: day and very atypical. Um, and so that was it.
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  Speaker 3: I also didn't mention all the great performances she'd, um,
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  Speaker 3: Stevie Nicks, she had Paul McCartney perform. I mean, that
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  Speaker 3: part is all cool. We still have not seen much
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  Speaker 3: because these people are being real quiet about it in
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  Speaker 3: hopes not to piss her off or whatever. But there
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  Speaker 3: was a big sign, which happens at most parties I
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  Speaker 3: go to when a reality show is having a sign.
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  Speaker 3: It was your typical big sign. Just know you're going
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  Speaker 3: in here, there's filming happening, and you might be filmed. Well,
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  Speaker 3: of course, at a wedding, you're going to have at
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  Speaker 3: least a videographer, even if it's, you know, you're just
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  Speaker 3: a normal person having a normal wedding. So some people,
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  Speaker 3: Swifty's hoping that this will be, in fact, we will
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  Speaker 3: see this in some capacity and they should warn their guests,
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  Speaker 3: especially their famous guests, that they're gonna be seen, they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be featured. This is what's gonna make whatever this is,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's something you pay to see, see on a
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  Speaker 3: paid platform, It's free. The money goes to charity. She
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  Speaker 3: just puts it on her Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Get ready to know that if you walk in here,
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  Speaker 3: you know, your privacy is not what it's about. It's
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  Speaker 3: about what I choose. So there you go. Also, someone
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  Speaker 3: reminded me that Julia Roberts, who was a guest, was
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  Speaker 3: in a movie with her called Valentine's Day. Niecy Nash
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  Speaker 3: was also in some project with her. So definitely there
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  Speaker 3: was ties to everybody. Bowen Yang knew Travis from SNL.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying any of those people shouldn't have been there,
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  Speaker 3: but there was a tie to every single famous person.
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  Speaker 3: Ellen wasn't there and Blake Lively wasn't there. That's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: So this other, this other people were like, was this
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  Speaker 3: all just, did you have to have this big wedding
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  Speaker 3: to really even stick it to Blake Lively?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It makes it worse for Blake Lively that it was
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  Speaker 3: a thousand person wedding. Of course it makes it worse
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  Speaker 3: than if it was just 50 people on an island
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  Speaker 3: and she was not there. That friendship has sailed. Just
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  Speaker 3: like her boyfriend relationships are over with, friendships can end too.
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  Speaker 3: Women are always obsessed when a female friendship ends, yet
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  Speaker 3: nobody cares when you break up with the father of
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  Speaker 3: your three kids. They were like, good, kick them to
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  Speaker 3: the curb. But when you want to stop being friends
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  Speaker 3: with someone that you were very close to for five
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  Speaker 3: or 10 years, people can't get over the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you don't want to hang out with this girl anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Just like you don't want to hang out with your
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  Speaker 3: husband or your boyfriend anymore. Sometimes you don't want to
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  Speaker 3: hang out with this girl anymore. And that is what
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  Speaker 3: happened with them. So that was interesting. Also, I came
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  Speaker 3: across this story that I wasn't even aware it was happening.
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  Speaker 3: There is this girl who was a producer on The
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor and her name is Julie LaPlaca or LaPlaca. And
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  Speaker 3: she was a young female producer on The Bachelor and
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  Speaker 3: she has come out with a book and she's making
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  Speaker 3: the rounds and the book is called The Love Producer.
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  Speaker 3: And it's about her time working on The Bachelor. And
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  Speaker 3: the juicy scoop on that, the reason she got a
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  Speaker 3: book deal is because while she was a producer on
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  Speaker 3: the Pilot Pete season, do you remember I covered it
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  Speaker 3: heavily on Juicy Scoop? That's when I was very into
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  Speaker 3: The Bachelor. I was into the pilot Pete because he
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  Speaker 3: was from Westlake Village. He was a pilot. His mom
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  Speaker 3: was like obsessed with his relationship and she would cry
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  Speaker 3: all the time. And then she kind of was a
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  Speaker 3: thirst bucket and like was starting, you know, doing her
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  Speaker 3: own Instagram. And like, I don't know what she was doing,
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  Speaker 3: but they've said to all of them, I haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: pilot Pete in years, but his name was Peter Weber
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  Speaker 3: and he was a real pilot. And she said that
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  Speaker 3: when the show ended, They dated. They met each other's families.
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  Speaker 3: They had sex. They had secret hookups, all of this.
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  Speaker 3: And so the show was airing while she was seeing him.
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  Speaker 3: I would have to read the book. And you know what?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not, to figure out the timeline. Because I don't remember.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not going to go back and watch the season.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really care. But the point is, she was
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  Speaker 3: his producer. And they had chemistry. And then they had
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  Speaker 3: a romantic relationship. So then he was single. And then
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  Speaker 3: he met this girl, Kelly, at the Four Seasons in Westlake.
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  Speaker 3: And then he dated her for a while. Anyway, he
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  Speaker 3: is not happy that she wrote this book and talked
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  Speaker 3: about how they had this relationship. He asked her to
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  Speaker 3: please keep it quiet. And she's like, too bad. It's
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  Speaker 3: my personal life. And I'm going to tell the story.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm adding this. Pilot Pete, you are a public figure.
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  Speaker 3: She can talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody would have wanted, no one would have given her
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  Speaker 3: a book deal if she didn't have this element of it.
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  Speaker 3: So then it gets juicy. The fans start figuring out
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  Speaker 3: that they're actually seeing each other, the sleuths. They see
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  Speaker 3: that she, they're following her and they see that she's
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  Speaker 3: taking a photo and it looks to be the same
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  Speaker 3: restaurant or the same place that he's at. And Reddit
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  Speaker 3: starts going crazy. Is he dating one of the Bachelor
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  Speaker 3: producers who's a female? She gets a call from Mike
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  Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick Fleiss, who's the creator of the whole thing. And
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  Speaker 3: he says, um, Hey, I think it'd be great if
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  Speaker 3: you were the bachelorette and I'm going to pitch it
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  Speaker 3: to the rest of the producers. And she pees in
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  Speaker 3: her pants with excitement. She tells pilot Pete, he's like,
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  Speaker 3: this is great. You're going to be the bachelorette. I
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  Speaker 3: can come back and be on it too. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: these are two thirsty thirst buckets. So many times people
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  Speaker 3: that start from behind the scenes They pretend they want
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  Speaker 3: to just be behind the scenes, but they actually want
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  Speaker 3: to be famous. And clearly she did. And she's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: she's working all these hours helping the girl. She said
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  Speaker 3: she worked with Hannah Brown for a while. She was
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  Speaker 3: her then producer. And, you know, where she has to
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  Speaker 3: act like she's their best friend, but then she's encouraging
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  Speaker 3: them to break up with this guy and then say
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  Speaker 3: she's excited to go on the date with this other
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  Speaker 3: person one hour later. And they need to do that
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  Speaker 3: for television and they need to get the bachelor bachelorette
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  Speaker 3: to say these things to camera to get it going.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why it's always the same thing because they're
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  Speaker 3: not that most very creative people. And that's why they
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  Speaker 3: say this journey and it's authentic and you really challenge
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  Speaker 3: me and this, you know, what this is and opening
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  Speaker 3: my heart, all the same thing that they say. So
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  Speaker 3: she said she was difficult. Hannah Brown is like, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: you know, leave me alone. And so- She's going around
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  Speaker 3: and saying, oh, so then the other producers say, no,
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  Speaker 3: we do not want a former producer being the Bachelorette
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  Speaker 3: just because she may or may not have fucked Pilot
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  Speaker 3: Pete at a family vacation.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 3: It's too much inside baseball. It'll screw up the whole
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  Speaker 3: authenticity or whatever. Too much, you know, magic revealed thing.
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  Speaker 3: So she's devastated that she's not going to be the bachelorette.
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  Speaker 3: Pilot Pete is devastated that he can't come back and
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  Speaker 3: be on camera for a while. And then many, many
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  Speaker 3: years pass. And then she writes this book. And she's doing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, interviews and whatnot. And she's just like, like,
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  Speaker 3: she's just very like, well, um, but again, good for you.
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  Speaker 3: You got a book deal, you know? But once this
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  Speaker 3: story's told, who knows what's going to happen with you?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone really cares, but I thought it
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  Speaker 3: was interesting that these producers want to, um, Oftentimes, or
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  Speaker 3: the behind the scenes, people actually want to be the star.
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  Speaker 3: And can you blame them? It's a lot easier being
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  Speaker 3: the bachelorette and getting hair and makeup done and wearing
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  Speaker 3: cute outfits and having a bunch of guys claim that
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  Speaker 3: they love you than running around. Of course, it's very
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  Speaker 3: hard work to be these producers. You have four hours
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  Speaker 3: of sleep a night. you're sweating, you're, um, barely eating,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're traveling all around, you're on these long
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  Speaker 3: flights to set up a date at the top of
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  Speaker 3: a mountain in China or whatever. It's, and it gets old.
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  Speaker 3: And she eventually, she got real burnt out, especially after
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  Speaker 3: she was told she couldn't be the bachelorette and she
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  Speaker 3: quit and then decided I'm going to spill the beans
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  Speaker 3: and write this book. And there you go. Um, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: now for our interview. You guys are going to really
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  Speaker 3: the top production companies called World of Wonder. They do
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  Speaker 3: all the drag race shows, documentaries, movies, and their origin
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  Speaker 3: different things about their careers and their relationship, which even
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  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
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  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
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  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
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  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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  Speaker 2: what would you do if it was given back?
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  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
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  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
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  Speaker 2: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
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  Speaker 2: started crying.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I am so excited
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  Speaker 3: to have the creators of one of the top production
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  Speaker 3: companies in Hollywood, World of Wonder. You may have heard
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  Speaker 3: of it. They do all the drag, race, movies, documentaries,
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  Speaker 3: great comedies. Welcome Randy and Fenton, the creators of it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so excited that you guys wanted to come on
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: We're excited to be here. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome, welcome. I loved the movie called Stop That Train,
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  Speaker 3: which is so funny and it's so clever. We watched
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  Speaker 3: it last night, Drake and I, and he was dying laughing.
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  Speaker 3: And it is, for the people that may remember this,
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  Speaker 3: one of the funniest comedies I've ever seen as a kid.
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  Speaker 3: It's like when I knew, like I understood comedy was Airplane,
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  Speaker 3: which I felt it, it emulated that with the, with
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  Speaker 3: the jokes, like how many jokes a minute got in
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  Speaker 3: this thing that was so clever and so funny. How
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  Speaker 3: did you guys come about doing this movie?
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  Speaker 2: Um, well, actually it was originally called Drag Queens on
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  Speaker 2: a Plane and it was originally set on a plane. Um, So,
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  Speaker 2: because the homage, the inspiration is Airplane. I mean, I agree.
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  Speaker 2: It is one of the funniest movies ever made. And
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  Speaker 2: we talked with.
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  Speaker 7: RuPaul for a long time about doing a movie and
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  Speaker 7: wanting it to be broad, wanting it to be stupid,
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  Speaker 7: wanting it to be really funny. And, I don't know,
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  Speaker 7: over five years ago, we worked with these amazing writers.
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  Speaker 2: Who, Connor and Christina.
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  Speaker 7: Connor and Christina, who wrote a VH1 movie for us,
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  Speaker 7: The Bitch Who Stole Christmas, which also featured a number
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  Speaker 7: of amazing drag queens and RuPaul.
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  Speaker 2: And it was so funny.
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  Speaker 7: So we had been wanting to work with them again.
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  Speaker 7: And we called them up and said, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 7: let's do this. Let's do a movie, Drag Queens on
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  Speaker 7: a Plane. And can you guys write it? And so
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  Speaker 7: that was the first step was figuring out, you know,
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  Speaker 7: come up with some money. getting them to write it,
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  Speaker 7: not that much money. And then figuring out, you know,
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  Speaker 7: who could we get to direct this? We wanted someone
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  Speaker 7: who was super funny and had an amazing studio track
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  Speaker 7: record because we did want, we wanted to play, you know,
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  Speaker 7: in the big leagues with it. So we, so Adam
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  Speaker 7: Shankman came on board who is an amazing director and.
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  Speaker 3: Remind people of some other hits that he's had. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did Hairspray, the movie, and Chanted, too.
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  Speaker 7: He's done a lot of big studio movies, and he's
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  Speaker 7: got a movie coming out with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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  Speaker 2: A Christmas movie, right? A Christmas movie, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So he, and he is part of, you know, it's
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  Speaker 7: a lot of the people in the movie, a lot
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  Speaker 7: of the people who worked on the movie, they're all
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  Speaker 7: part of the World of Wonder family, in a way,
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  Speaker 7: and the Drag Race family. Adam's been on the show
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  Speaker 7: many times. He's also an amazing choreographer. He's done some
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  Speaker 7: of the challenges.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Jamal Sims was the choreographer who's one of our judges,
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  Speaker 7: did the choreography. Leland, who does all the musical challenges
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  Speaker 7: and writes a lot of the music for Drag Race,
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  Speaker 7: he wrote the musical numbers for it. So it was like,
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  Speaker 7: it was kind of like calling all our friends in,
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  Speaker 7: let's make a movie. And yeah, and also a lot
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  Speaker 7: of the people in front of the camera, whether it's
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  Speaker 7: the drag queens who are amazing actors.
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  Speaker 3: You know, something that prior to RuPaul's Drag Race, it
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  Speaker 3: would always be like, oh my God, can you believe
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  Speaker 3: that these are actually men singing this song or whatever?
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  Speaker 3: And it would be, you know, it was always featured
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  Speaker 3: in movies and things, but in it that it's such
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  Speaker 3: an entertaining show, it made it into mainstream. And I
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  Speaker 3: think it's so great that there is an art of
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  Speaker 3: drag now that is respected as a creative outlet and
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  Speaker 3: that through the success of these individuals can make, you know,
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  Speaker 3: full living being successful entertainers and traveling and doing cruises
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  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. And I think that's
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  Speaker 3: so great. And then I was thinking and watching the
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  Speaker 3: show because you, there, you have these three mean girl stewardesses,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: which are really funny and one's top bitch and one's
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: a druggie kind of a ditz and the other one
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: is just dumb and like they're, but they're all funny together.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: And then you have the two best friends and.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: The Romy and Michelle.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. I was just going to say, it reminded
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: me of Romy and Michelle. And so I thought that was,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: you know, really lovely. And then there was an arc
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: where like, maybe their friendship isn't going to make it. Like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: it's so, it's so funny. And, but I was like,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: now- how did you choose which five or 10, um,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: drag Queens were going to be featured in this movie
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: because you have a hundred or more to choose from
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: at this point, 700 to choose from probably a hundred
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: that are maybe at the top that are working and
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: have a following and everything.
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: Uh, it was difficult. And also it just, um, It's
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: almost like they chose us. You know, there are so
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: many talented queens who are booked and blessed and working
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: in television, working on Broadway. They're everywhere. But these guys
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: who ended up being featured, we either had a long
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: history and we knew they could do it and they just...
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: seemed right for the part. It just, like, all the,
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: I don't know, everything, all the stars aligned.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And they ended up being the chosen ones. Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: And the ones who weren't in it, well, there's always
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: sequel opportunities, perhaps. Yeah, I definitely think so. You know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: with all of that, like, in watching it, I'm like,
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: you know, it's interesting, like, like, that these guys are
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: so funny. And then they get into drag and it
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: just makes for these incredible characters.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: As a female comedian, I'm kind of like, wow, like...
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not jealous, but it is sort of interesting. Like,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: were they always funny guys, you know, that then... But
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: once they got to this persona, it really kind of
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: all pops because it's like this extra layer of glam
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: where female comedians were just like... ourselves and if we
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: ever got that overly glam women would be like who's
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: this whore like you know what I mean they wouldn't
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: really appreciate like I just started wearing like a skirt
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: on stage after 30 years of doing stand-up because I'm
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: seeing the younger girls do it but for so long
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I felt like oh that'd be distracting I'll wear jeans
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I'll wear a blouse.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Well I think you know But I think one of
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the things about drag is that it allows you to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: step into another role and another persona that may not
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: be the persona you walk around with in your everyday life.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And it gives you a license and a freedom and
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: can also at the same time be a kind of armor,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: So that where someone might be actually in real life
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: almost introvert... this, the glam thing, just gives you permission
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to go all out. Now, it sounds like I'm speaking
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: as someone who knows drag intimately. Randy and I have
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: actually done drag a couple of times. One. Last century, right?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: At Wig Scott, you know? So we're not really professional
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: drag queens by any means. But I think that that's
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: part of it, that it gives you a freedom and
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a license, a license to thrill.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: I think, though, also, the queens who are featured in
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: the movie, they're all really actors.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, yeah.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: So it's more their acting chops than their drag that
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: made it work.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And got them in the movie. And so it's.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: A slightly, and not all the, like, there are amazing
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: drag queens, who aren't necessarily great actors.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: But they're amazing drag queens.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: They either have a specific persona or they're like total
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: fashion queens and they have a look and.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Right, or they're better at the singing and the dancing
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: and pulling off like an impression or whatever. I totally agree.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I think it's just... Yeah, it's fascinating because I agree too.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: And I also think it's kind of great. It's kind
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: of like the early days of the rock band Kiss
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: in that they would wear these... these makeup and we
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: never knew what they look like. So then they could
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: go out in public and not be approached. And I
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: think it's kind of cool that these guys, when they're
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: not doing drag, they are dressed like you guys. They're
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: men and they wouldn't be bothered and they wouldn't put
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: people running up to them. But then when they want
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: to do something or are working, then they are these,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: you know, enjoy the fame when they're working, sign everything,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: but they're not being approached at Trader Joe's per se.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because celebrity is a weird thing that way, right?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Celebrity is sort of the disease of the 21st century.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: And I think it's amazing how desperate so many people
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: are to have it without understanding how toxic it can be, right?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: And how difficult it can be.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so wise. I think I lifted it from you. Well, yeah, maybe. Well,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: it can.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Be for some people, especially like reality stars and stuff.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I think everyone wants to be.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I think it can be quite addictive. Yes. But with
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: reality stars, which is different with actors, drag queens, singers,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: they are famous for being themselves. And so then when
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: that runs its course or they're a reality star or
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: a real housewife that doesn't get asked back, it's like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know. how to live because every September the
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: crew comes into my house and we have, I've had
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: this routine for 15 years and now I have nothing
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to lose this fame and I don't
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: know how to parlay it into, you know.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Do you think the Kardashians are Kardashian like at home?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: That's how they actually are 24 seven.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I knew them very well right from
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: the beginning. And for like the first, I would say
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: like eight years, um, They were seen as like trash
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood. Like Hollywood people were not looking to be
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: their friends. If they did watch it, they weren't gushing
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: over them on a talk show panel like they are now. Now,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: everybody is a content creator. Now, it's cool to like
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the Housewives and sit next to Andy Cohen. You could
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: have an Oscar and say, I'm obsessed with The Real
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Housewives of Potomac and it's totally fine. But back then
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: it was kind of, so they were just having their
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: parties and inviting the same people that they invited before
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: the show and everything. And then when it started to
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: become the J-Lo's and the Tommy Hill figures and all
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: of that, which I am like, yeah, girl, go on
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Tommy's boat. You don't need to hang out with the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: 818 Valley crew anymore. Like you moved on.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Skyrocket to the sky. Like, I don't care. But I
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: do think it just like anybody, they get to a level.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And also the security, the horrible thing that happened to Kim,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that changed things as far as like being as comfortable
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: because they did love the fame so much. They did
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: love going out and having paparazzi. And now I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: it's very– calculated when they need to go out for press,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: they will. Otherwise, everything can come to the house. You know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: they don't have to shop. They don't have to do
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: anything like that. And so, no, I think now that
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the show's gone on so long, I think it's a
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: win-win in that as you get older, even if you
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: live next door to your mom and stuff, you're not
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: spending as much time with your parent. It's just, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: that was Chris's plan all along was to get them
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: all in Hidden Hill's have them on a show be
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: able to work with them forever and as a mom
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: it's every parent's dream yeah and this is like the
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: perfect thing they all are successful in their own right
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: they all have their own homes but then the show
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the reason i think they keep the show going is
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: to stay relevant and stuff but they don't have to
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: clearly for money or anything else i mean they they're
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But I think it's their way of like, we get
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: to hang out and have a salad. And all we
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: have to do is talk about that, you know, Kim
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: was a little bitchy last night and we can have
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: a salad and we can knock it out in three hours. And,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: you know, I think that's part of it. You know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: they've really worked it out perfectly.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: You were reminiscing about that time, like the mid-90s, you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: with OJ. Oh, yeah. Because how prescient to... kind of
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: figure all that stuff out and do it then. They actually,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: don't you remember that Kim and her mom came to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: World of Wonder before the show? Yeah. They came to
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: World of Wonder and we met with them about doing
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: a show. Oh, before the E thing. Before the E thing.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: And tell me what their pitch was. Who brought them in?
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: First of all, weirdly, I'm trying to think, did Steve,
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: because we had done a series about Vivid, remember?
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, Vivid.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Porno Valley it was called. We did it for Showtime.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Stop It?
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Stop It. And stop because one of my wonderful traits
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: in this world is that I remember shows vividly that
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: don't vivid. No, no pun intended. That maybe didn't make
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: it that I thought were the most brilliant things. And
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: that is one of the shows.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Because I remember everything about it. The one family, he's
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: running for mayor. It was a Romeo and Juliet set
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: in the valley between the king of porno in the
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: valley and this aspiring mayor who was Latino. And their
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: kids loved each other, but they both had like, quote unquote,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: traditional families. Brilliant. I was so excited.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Well, it was like, you know, the life of a
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: porn star isn't always what you see as a consumer.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe just.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: And you know that Steve.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: What was his name? Steve.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Steve Hirsch.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: That owned Vivid. Then went on to date Melissa Rivers
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: for quite a while.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yes. And Joan Rivers was pushing that. She loved it
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: because he was married. Right. He didn't have a married
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: and some kids. He got divorced. And then he was
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: dating Melissa for, like, a while.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: And it was kind of like, wow. And then, of course, Vivid,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Steve Hirsch, allegedly has a role in whatever the truth
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: or the truth may not be with the sex tape
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: getting out there.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, and was there a deal? And that's why, like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I forget who introduced us to him. I think they
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: were shopping around for a production company for the Kardashians.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: And I think what I understood was we weren't chosen
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: because of our relationship with Steve Hirsch.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's right.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: That's right. Because we had made Porno Valley. Yes. Then
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Steve Hirsch.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Was it called Porno Valley?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Porno Valley, yeah. I remember that we also, we spent
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of that time talking about Kathie Lee Gifford
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: because you and I had just.
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: We had this afternoon meeting. This is so random.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: No, this is so good.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: With Kathie Lee Gifford. in New York, in a limo.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Don't you remember?
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: And we were just driving around and we drank wine
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: and we got a little tipsy.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's a stretch. Like it just like that's how it
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: fit into her schedule.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Because Kathy Lee was friends with Kris Jenner. Yes.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: That's how she came up because Kris said, oh.
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: I think.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Were we going to cast her in Party Monster? Wasn't
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: she gonna play Michael's mom? That's what the meeting was about.
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: But what I remember from that meeting was drinking in
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: a limo with Kathie Lee and her at one point
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: saying the difference between bitter and better is one letter.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: And actually, we were meeting with her.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Wait, Kathy said that?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the difference between bitter and better is one letter.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Isn't that good?
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: That is brilliant.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: It's so good.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: And the reason we met with her is because she
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: had seen the eyes of Tammy Faye and she was thinking.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: About having a documentary. Uh-huh, that's right. Doing a documentary.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: About herself.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which kind of would be really good right now.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, she's selling the $ 100 million house. Yes. And I
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: just saw a little interview about that, that beautiful Connecticut
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: home on the water.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: She did everything.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Make a note, Brandy.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay, yes. Sorry. Excuse me, we got to go.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I would love to see it because, well, I had
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: a weird Kathie Lee story. That's not bad, but it
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: was strange. Okay, so I'll get to that in a minute.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: But in hearing the interview about her selling the house,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: And she's like, we don't need to sell it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: There's no music anymore. Did you, did we hear the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: same thing?
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: She's like, I used to have all these friends come
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: over and everything. And the kids were younger. And then
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: of course her husband's passed quite a while ago now.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: And now the kids are not just out of college.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: They're at least one is married with kids or they're
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: both married with kids. And you know, you never know
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: how far it is to get to grandmother's house and, and,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: And they're like, well, why wouldn't you keep it? You know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: all the comments are like, why wouldn't you keep it?
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And she's just like, you know, you get to a
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: certain age and friendships change and things like that. And
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: she is well into her 60s or late 60s. And,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you know, the friends that were coming over are probably
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: not in the energy or the health to still come
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: over and have those parties. And it's almost probably sad
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: at that point where if she just had a fresh
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: start somewhere else, Maybe, you know, in a high-rise condo
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: or maybe in a community that has more community going
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: on that aren't $ 100 million houses, but maybe they're $ 7
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: million houses around a country club or something. And she
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: can go meet people. I just, yeah, I thought it was...
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I think it's, you know, an element of life, no
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: matter how rich you are, that things change when you
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: get older and your kids get older.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I felt for her. I was sad.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: It was kind of sad.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: It was sad, but also relatable in a weird way.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: But it's also like she should enjoy, you know, she's
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: worked her whole life and like this could be a
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: great new chapter is what she's saying. And, you know,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine how much. Stress goes on with a
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: house like that. Even if you have a house manager
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: and everything.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Something's always breaking.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: You know, someone says like, what does anyone that rich
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: have to worry about? And I'm like, firing people. Firing
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: people that you love or people that you liked or,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you know, well, that person didn't work out and this
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: person didn't work out. That is, that's more money, more problems.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Like that is probably the hardest thing, I think, for
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: someone really wealthy that has, you know, people running their
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: homes and their companies and everything like that versus... not
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: being wealthy, you know?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: And it's plumbing. I mean, every house, the more lose
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: you've got, the more problem. Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: And we just had like a water heater thing. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I'm like, but how are they trying to deal with it?
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, What would I do? He's like, what
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: would you do if I wasn't around? I go, I
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: think I'd just have a little man move in. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: would just need some dude because I'm like, I don't even,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: there's so many things. And so, and I'm so grateful to, again,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: have the issue that I even have a water heater.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: But like, so imagine a hundred million dollar house that size.
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: And, you know, and who you're going to choose. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: is this person stealing or taking advantage or whatever? And
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: you wake up and you're stressed about, is there a leak? Like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know. She probably is just like, I don't
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: need this.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe she just.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Wants to be in a high-rise condo where she locks
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the door and leaves.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I think it might be time for her documentary.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I think so. I mean, I can, all the exciting parts,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: the children making the clothing and she didn't know. The
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: affair through the window. They got the photo of them
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: making out with the stewardess. It's a great life. The
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Christian singing. Her being really great friends with the mistress
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: of Gary, monkey business, running for president.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: What was that woman's name?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but that was her good friend. They
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: were in the Christian singing world.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: And also just how iconic she was as a morning television.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: That was the beginning of that world. I mean, Tammy
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: Faye was a little... you know, they're in the same family.
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: And then, yeah. And also being like a super Christian woman,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: that's kind of also like a gay icon, like the
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: gayest lover. And that's one thing I think is kind
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: of interesting too.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Is that like, remember when this story, I don't know
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: if you know about this, but in the Real Housewife world,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Kathy Hilton, and you had Lisa Rinna in your show,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: which was great. And oh, by the way, when I
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: was watching this with my son, Drake, who loved it,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: thought it was so funny. There's like seven people in
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: that movie that have been on Juicy Scoop. When I
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: was like, they've been on Juicy Scoop, they've been on
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Natasha Lazaro, Guy Branagh, like, you know, Lisa Renna, like
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: all these people that I was like, oh, this reporter,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: but on Juicy Scoop, you know, like, so, but... Anyway,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: because I've had this a long time too, 11 years.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Tell me when you're ready to do my documentary. I
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: cannot wait. I always said like, I'd be like walking
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: home from school from my little mile and a half
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: from St. Mel's and my parents forgot that they like
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: drove me that day. So I didn't have my bike
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: because it was raining that morning and they just forgot
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: because they're doing real estate. And I remember I'm like
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: walking home and I'm looking at my feet and I'm like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: this is going to be the opening scene for my
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: made for TV movie about my sad life.
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: Oh my god but that will be it i don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: know what their thing is gonna be but um so
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: the kathy lee thing i went on her went on
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: kathy lee and hoda for like one of my books
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: had like a great experience whatever and then we did
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: this this after lately episode which was like a almost
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: like a kerber enthusiasm when i was on chelsea lately
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: and it was like an improv thing but they.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Were kind of mean and like, I didn't understand, but
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they were just trying to be funny.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: And then I, then I went back on again and
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I had this, it was for this, this show called
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: all about sex, but I was wearing like this, like
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: kind of, I thought a daytime talk show host show dress.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: And I had like my boobs out and she was like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: what's going on there? Like looking at my boobs and
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: making me kind of feel like.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: While you're on the air or.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I think it might've been the air or maybe right before, but.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. It's all good. Like, it's all fine.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: It was just interesting.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I just, I thought they were always both really funny together.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: You know, now it's a new generation of the show,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: but it's, I think it's fascinating. Yes, I do think
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: it's time for her. And, but yeah, oh, I was
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: going to say Kathy Hilton. Sorry, I'm going off.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: So Kathy Hilton, there was this controversy that happened while
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: they were filming and which Lisa Renna said they left
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: this caribou club in Aspen. And in the Sprinter van
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: where there were no cameras and no one recorded it,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Lisa Renick claims that Kathy Hilton was saying very nasty
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: things about the DJ and using a homophobic slur because
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: he didn't play her request of Michael Jackson. Okay. And
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: she denied it. And we really don't know, but another
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: housewife kind of confirmed that Lisa was telling the truth.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: And I think most people think maybe she was telling
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: the truth. But I just think the gay men in
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: this world, they don't really care. And I'm just like,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Should they care? Why don't they care?
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they care? If that is true.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: And then there was that whole issue with her being
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: the grand marshal of gay pride. Did this story resurface
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: during that?
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: This is what I think. It's one of those things
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: that like I talked about on the show. I'm like,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: they don't care. She has been wonderful to the gay community.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Her daughter's Paris Hilton. She's never shown any kind of
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: behavior like that. She's, you know, hired many gay people
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and And so nobody cared. Lisa Rinna left the show
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: on her own accord, I believe. And Kathy stayed as
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: like a friend and she's kooky and she's funny and nobody,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: nobody cared. And then she was going to be the
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: grand marshal as I think she's done in the past.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: And then as we were talking before the show started,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: eight people, maybe one brought it up and just made
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: enough of a stink about it. And then she just,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: what can she do? She's like, well, if you don't
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: want me, that's fine. But like, look at the last
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: 65 years of my life. But it's this one story,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: which again, it really is just a hearsay thing. There
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: isn't a video of her.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But that's cancel culture in the era of social media.
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: And I'm just waiting for cancel culture to be canceled
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: because it's so crazy.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: And I also just, I also think even if that
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: word was said in a drunken, tired night of shooting
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: and she was pissed about other things that are, rolled
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: out i think it's bad but i think gay men
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: of a certain age they give her a pass yeah
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: i and why would they give her a pass in
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: your opinion Why aren't they turning all against her, as
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think they should?
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: Because there are such bigger battles for all of us
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: to focus our energy on.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: And it really is redonkulous. And, like, look who is
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: at the White House.
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: And part of the reason he's in the White House
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: is because we're busy, like— trolling people and policing.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Well, because he targeted trans people. That was like a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: huge last minute focus of his campaign.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And I think the answer to your question is I
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: think queer people are so used to being attacked and
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: judged and sort of marginalized that maybe they do have
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: more capacity to forgive and forget or move on rather
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: than just be in attack mode all the time.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I know. So it's interesting because I'm like, sometimes I
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: think the person in the attack mode is not the person,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: is not the marginalized person.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: You know, and it's kind of their way of like
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: tapping themselves on the back, you know, a little bit.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: The quote protector of the marginalized. The president who is
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: always posing as the most victimized, ill-treated person on earth.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: The most powerful man in the world. Complaining endlessly about
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: how badly treated he is. I mean, please. Yeah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people of celebrity find themselves in
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: that victim mode, you know, because it just feels whatever
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: they're going through. They're like, you have no idea. Like
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: we talk about online stuff. I'm getting death threats. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not opposing that you aren't, but I am saying like,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: it is just a phone. Yeah. It is an anonymous,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: you know, like I get it. Like if it's really
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: specific and you've been doxxed, like definitely go to the police.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: But also you could just block that person and you
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: could take two weeks off of your phone.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: And just, and you don't have to make an announcement
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: that you're taking two weeks off. Nobody is like, where is,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Heather hasn't posted for two days. Nobody is like going
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: in the streets and trying to find you. Like just
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: take a break.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You don't do those announcements where you're like, I'm stepping
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: back from social media.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: I'll never step back.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Taking a mental health break.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I've never stepped back, but I've definitely, like, gone on
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: vacation and, like, posted less and was like, you know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I just kind of want to enjoy my vacation. And
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: I know that you guys will be okay, you know, and, like,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I still put out a show, so, like, just relax. But,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, I don't think people need— no one's going
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: to worry about— like, unless it's really TMZ, Heather is missing forever.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: She went to Trader Joe's. She never came back. It's
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: been 24 hours. I don't think my fans need to
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: take to the streets.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: No, but if you have a book, your next book
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: coming out, maybe go to Trader Joe's and disappear and
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: leak that to TMZ.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I've always thought this would be a great movie idea.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: When there was a time when I was, and I've
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: told this right on the show, so I'm going to
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: tell it really quickly. But, you know, and just trying
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: to get an agent, you know, I just like be
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: doing stand-up, the improv for eight minutes and nobody's coming
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: and I invite the eight agents and no, you know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: they don't show. And I'm like, what if, and I
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: was like walking to my car around the corner of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Melrose and I'm like, what if I just faked my
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: own kidnapping? This is before Sherry Papini and stuff, before
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: it was in to fake your own. I'm like, what
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: if I faked my own and I like left my
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: VHS stand-up tapes in the car along with my headshots
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: So that the KTLA can like play that over and
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: over again. Where is she? And then I was like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: this could be a movie. And I get a little,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: and I'm like hiding out in someone's house. But then
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I'm like, but then the flip side is all my
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: thirsty friends start to use the publicity for themselves. We're
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: going to do a charity event where we all do
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: standard to try to find Heather just for them to
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: get like, and then I'm like, and then know what?
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Everyone forgets that I'm missing.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: But then when you came back and all was revealed,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: then you'd get canceled.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Right. How could you make us worry about you?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Like on the late night talk shows.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Like trashing you. Having gotten the agent that you wanted. Yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: That's good. That is good. That's the second idea we
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: got today. Thank you.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: So how did the two of you meet before starting
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: this empire?
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: We met at NYU in the graduate film program last century.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: That's. Such a classy story.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: What's classy about it? It's classy education. You're in the
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: graduate program. You both know what you're doing. It's like
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: what you'd hope that it would be, but it's not
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: as juicy of a story as what it could have been.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Well, the juicy part is that we used to cut classes. Okay.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Our editing class we used to cut.
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: And right around the corner was a bar called the
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: Pyramid Club. The Pyramid, just the Pyramid on Avenue A.
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: Fenton and I would go there regularly. And that's where
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: we were really introduced to our obsession with drag. Because
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: all the, you know, it was the 80s in New
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: York in the East Village. And there were all these
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: drag queens and there were incredible artists and they were... Um,
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: we loved them and we were obsessed early on. It
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: felt like, like what being in Hollywood and going to
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: the Academy Awards would be like, you know, it was
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: so glamorous and, and, and we met Rue, um, You know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: within the first, not the first year, probably the second
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: year we were there.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But that was the beginning. And we quit school.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: So it's not, it was a new.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: But you quit the graduate program.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It was a new kind of drag, though, too.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Because you had like, in the West Village, you had
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the sort of old school drag, which was. Judy Garland.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: There you go. Right. And this was much.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: More sort of- Where they would just be doing already
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: famous singers.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Judy Garland, Joan Rivers, like that kind of stuff.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: And just matronly drag. Great drag. But more show tunes drag,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: which we love that drag. A lot. Caftans and show tunes. Yes.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: But the East Village thing was more new wave, almost punk.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: And certainly Rue when we first met him was- Totally
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: complete drag punk. He used to call it gender fuck. Right.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, with sort of shredded bin liners and football
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: shoulder pads and jock straps and waders. I mean, it
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily glam. It was stunning. Uh, But it was
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: this sort of mishmash, this sort of... Gender fuck. Yeah.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And just taking bits and pieces from like commercials and
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: advertisements and popular culture and kind of cutting it all up.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: You know, it was this kind of kooky.
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: And Rue was kind of... fully realized back then. He
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: was saying, everybody say love. He was putting posters up.
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: RuPaul is everything. He was making music. He was on
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: his way.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: And we really enjoyed hanging out with him because even
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: though Fen and I, we weren't really, I.
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: Mean, we were going to clubs, but we were On
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: the sidelines, we DJed for a while, but really, we
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: weren't partying and doing drugs or anything like that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Well, we had jobs by day. We were working in
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the day, yeah. But Ru was doing everything at that time,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: but also, he could have these.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: We talked about things with him. We talked about pop culture.
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: He was so plugged in with everything.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: And he had a plan, you know, he definitely was
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: on his way.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Was RuPaul one of your first projects that really got
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: your production company off the ground?
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: Our first real television project was for Channel 4 in
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: the UK. And it was called Manhattan Cable. And basically
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: we licensed... Public access shows in Manhattan, which we would
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: watch all the time, including Robin Bird.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Which there's a documentary about Robin Bird coming out. I
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: used to watch the ones back in the day, the L.A. ones,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: which was a lot of porn stars.
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: A lot of porn stars. And I was like fascinated
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: by the porn stars. Hence why I love you. I
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: love that they were treated like they were happy porn stars.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: They were not ashamed. They were not drugged to do it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: They were doing it because they wanted to do it,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: and they had this level of fame.
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: We were kind of obsessed with all the porn stars
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: back then, too. Didn't really watch the porno. It was
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: more about all the other part of it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: When you wake up in the morning, and you leave
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the house, and you cross services on set, and you.
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: And you're doing an anal scene, but you have to
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: pick up the kids by three.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Yes. Mercedes-Benz. That was Mercedes-Benz, you're right.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: So with Ru, we knew who RuPaul was. As RuPaul, songs, hits,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: pop culture. When the show started of the drag race,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: how did that come about?
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: Well, we're working with Tom Campbell, who is the creative... executive.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: At World of Wonder, and he sort.
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: Of says, it's time for, we'd done the RuPaul talk show.
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: So we'd done that, you know, I don't know how
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: many years ago. And we talked about doing a Ru show,
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: but it hadn't really gelled. And Tom was definitely a
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: driving force in saying, let's, do this competition show and
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: Ru was ready to do TV again. But at first
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: Ru was like, I'm not sure if I want to
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: do a competitive show. And so we did develop some
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: other things and pitched them to Ru. And then Ru
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: was like, we should do a competitive reality show. And
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: I think for all of us, the idea was with drag,
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: you can kind of parody every competitive reality show out there.
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: It really gave us permission to, to.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: The format as a drag queen. Yeah. It's like a
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: bit of this, a bit of that, a bit of
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the other.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I did one episode.
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you did a great episode on Snatch Game.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: And I was super lucky because I got to do
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: the Snatch Game. For those that don't know, that is
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: where really the actor outshines the person that just can
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: emulate a look or do great makeup or lip sync
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: because they have to do basically a really great impression
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: of And, and so that was so fun to judge that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: And that's where you kind of really see that, you know,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: some struggled with it and some just killed it. And,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: but then also like, I remember sitting through the judging
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: when we're like, who's going to make the next round
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And there was this one drag queen and
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: she was young, like 19. And I'm like there and
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: she's looking at me and she's like, Like she really
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: didn't think she'd be picked. And like the mom in
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: me is like, it's going to be okay. It was
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: a lot. Like I was like, and I wasn't, I
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: don't know if we really had a say in like
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: who made it or I can't remember. But like, you know,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: of course I would give like accolades or whatever, or
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, well, but I just felt so bad.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: And like her story was like, she's only 19 and She, like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: lived in Bakersfield. I don't even know, but I just
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: remember seeing her face in front of me and how
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: nervous she was and, like, shaking.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: She made it through.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, you remember this?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was Adore Delano. Yes, yes. And
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: she actually ended up in the top four. Yes, yes.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: It was really like such a fun experience.
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: You also had on that episode, because that was an
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: amazing cast and an amazing snatch game. And I believe
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: Bianca Del Rio was Judge Judy.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: That was the best. And then I was in Bianca's movie.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: She had me be a reporter in it. Back in 2018,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: it came out. And yeah, her Judge Judy was just,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, this is, you know, as someone
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: who does impressions and stuff, I was so flattered that
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I got to do that. Because that's not in every episode,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: you know. The snatch came and it was just so like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: just so clever, so funny and such a good time.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah. And Rue is so good as a president
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: in this Stop That Train. Like, first of all, we
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: never see her in a sensible, mature wig.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Super flattering. Like, super flattering. Like, I was kind of like, ooh,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I kind of like this look on her face more
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: than the big. And just so, like, so funny. Like,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: just so funny with, you know, like, They do this thing.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: So she's the president. And it's like, where's my rating?
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: You know, there were just so many. I don't want
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: to give the jokes away, but I'm telling you, like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: you guys need to watch it because it is just
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: like a good time.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: You watched it with your son, right? And you said
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: your son is straight.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Yes. And he loved it. Well, he has a great
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: sense of humor. So I was like, okay, we're going
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: to watch this because he works with me. And I go,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: you won't, you know, he doesn't know airplane, whatever. So
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: you don't need to. But it's just that joke, that joke,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: that pile on joke, like, you know, kind of funny thing.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: And nothing is too stupid.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or boom, boom, boom. And he's like, this is
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: so dumb, but this is so funny. Like, it is dumb.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, you know, and maybe if
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: you didn't understand campy jokes, humor or drag humor, you
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: might be like, what is this? But I think even
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: people that are like, what is this still laughed and
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: enjoy it, you know? So it's really great.
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: I think also so much of humor and pop culture
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: has gotten campier. Like, I think there's a broader understanding
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: of that sensibility.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Then people realize.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, um, yeah, it was just, and it was
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: just so funny to see, like I said, so many
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: of my friends, that I've known throughout the years, whether
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: it's growlings or standup or whatever, have a funny little
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: part in it or big part or whatever. It was just, yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: it was, it was really fun. Wait, I want to
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: go back to one thing that we talked about. Cause
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like my audience is going to be like,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: what happened? So when Kim was, and Kris Jenner then
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: pitched their show and you said, we didn't get it.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: What was your vision for if you had gotten it
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: of a reality show? Would it have been what you
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: saw on E!
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Well, we'd never have to work again for one thing. No,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: we did question it though. I think that we weren't
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: sure what it would be. I mean, the initial meeting
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: was a meet and greet. It was a love fest.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: It was a love fest.
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: And yeah, but we didn't pitch out a hardcore dynamic
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: or a format for them.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: We just hung out and talked. And I remember Kim
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: came in with sunglasses on and then took them off
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: when she sat down in the conference room and just
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Took everything. And she wasn't a star then though.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: No, but she really was.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: She behaved like one.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: She really was meant to be a star. And when
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: you see even old like videos of her at like 14,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: like I'm famous and blah, blah, blah. I remember like,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: you know, meeting them for the first time and it
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: was over 20 years ago. And I was like, oh
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: my God, I'm going to have lunch with Courtney and
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Kris Jenner. all I want to do is ask about OJ,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: but that would probably be offensive. So we have, you know,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: half of our meal. My, my younger son is like
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: in a stroller. And then I go, do you mind
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: if I kind of ask? Cause of course I was
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: obsessed with the OJ trial. I lived in Brentwood at
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: the time and, and I always loved true crime and
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I was just fascinated by the whole thing. And they
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: were just open face sandwiches. And like, just right away,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Courtney was like, well, we kind of took my dad's
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: side because we felt sorry for him. And we, being
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: that OJ's innocent because we felt bad. And then Chris
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: was like, and you know, at the time, Robert and
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Chris were co-parenting quite nicely. She was pregnant with Kendall
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: or got pregnant with Kendall right after, but was during
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: the trial. And she's like, we'd have to, you know,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: meet at like a hillside to exchange the kids because
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: the paparazzi were following and all this other stuff. And
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: I'm like, how weird it was. And then I remember
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, So the day that you went for the verdict,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: what were you expecting? And she's like, we all were
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: expecting guilty. She and at the time Bruce, everybody thought
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: it would get, yeah. And so it was just like really,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: so I was always just like, oh, these people are
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: going to, this is fascinating. But at the time it
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: was just, I remember then another time we go to lunch,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Chris goes, I have a big announcement, a big announcement.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: So Kim was filming with Paris today on her show.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: And Paris announced, Kim, you're going to be my new
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: best friend. And the producers loved it because Paris didn't
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: know if her chihuahua was pregnant. And they thought it
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: was so funny that Kim got a real like EPT
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: test and was trying to see if the chihuahua could
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: pee on it. And they thought that was such a
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: funny scene. And I was like, and I remember at
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: the time I go, wait, Kim wants to be on
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: TV because at the time they had their little baby
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: store and Kim was, wanted to be a stylist to
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: the stars. And she was meeting with like the style channel,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: which doesn't exist anymore, to do like how to organize
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: your closet. And they were all super, super anal organized. Like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: I think the only one that's not crazy like that
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: is Kylie Jenner. She's more like the creative, not that
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: she's messy, but all the girls are like, you know, well,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: I don't have that gene. And I'm like jealous of
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: the gene. We're like, I can't go to bed before
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: everything has to be hung up and put away and
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: in color coordination. But they're all like that. So it's like,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: that's the way Kim was and Chris was and Chloe is. And,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: you know, so it's like that. I just was like, oh,
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: I remember thinking, oh, she wants to be on TV.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: I thought she just wanted to be like in fashion.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Do you know, I wanted to go back to OJ because.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: We were obsessed with that the whole time. And the
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: local news was always so crazy. And the one thing
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: that I remember so clearly was Robert Kardashian. And it
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: was like, what's in the bag, Mr. Kardashian? Remember, he
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: went to the estate and left with a bag. And
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: there was this whole sort of meme or sort of
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: went viral of like, What was in the bag? What
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: did Robert Kardashian take away from OJ's house? And then
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: there was another thing.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: We still don't know.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: We still don't know, and I don't know that we'll
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: ever know.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I think it was evidence. And I think he was,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: I think he got in this weird position where, he
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: thought he would be guilty. I think he knew he
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: was guilty and I thought he'd be guilty. And all
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I have to do is look at that face. It
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: wasn't a face of an attorney. That's like, got him.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I told you hugging, crying. It wasn't the face of
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: a defense attorney that felt like their guy did the right.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: It was like he was I think he was the
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: best friend truly. And he knew, and there was a,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: and he was confided in, but he gave, you know,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: the case was Robert Shapiro and all that. And then,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: and then of course, Johnny Cochran. And so he was
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: there as the friend and he wasn't really part of it.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: And he was really, his business at that time though,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: he was an attorney was music management. So he wasn't
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: like really working on the dream team. It was just
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: more like I think he wanted to stay on it
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: so that he wouldn't be deposed.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's good.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I just thought of that right now.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: My sister's a criminal defense attorney. That makes a lot
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: of sense. So I think maybe that's why, because I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: feel like they knew they had a super volatile relationship.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: And you know who really got the short end of
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: the stick in all of this was Faye Resnick. Because
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: when her book came out, I read that book. And
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: for 20 years, people, you know, thought she was an
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: opportunist and she did Playboy and this and that. And
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: she's selling out for. And then about 20 years later,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: all these other documentaries came out and every single thing
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: in that book has been proven to be true. From
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: like this other, you know, him looking through the window
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: when she had another boyfriend and like all this stuff
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: that at the time people still were like, well, could
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: it be that, you know, they were doing cocaine and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: it was an angry drug dealer? Like, no, this wasn't
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: the case, you know? And so I just, and Faye
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: is wonderful. Like she's always so nice. And I've asked
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: her to like come on the show and she said yes.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: And then one day she called me and she was like,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: You know, it just brings up so much if I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: talk about it. Like, and I was like, I totally
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: Don't.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Who cares? Like, you know, as much as I'd love
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: to have it on the show, like, I can imagine
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: the hate and the weirdos and everything that will then
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: pick apart your story or accuse you of being an
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: opportunistic person. When this was truly like Chris and Faye
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: and Nicole and this other girl, I coroner or something
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: they were like four best like four best mom friends
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: like all the kids were preschool like Chloe's age that's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: how they knew each other and like and a couple
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: of them were divorced a couple of them were like
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: having fun and going out but essentially they were like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: very active moms and it was just yeah that's why
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: it was so fascinating and then I rented the house
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: right across the street. So for years, even a couple
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: of years later, people would come park in front of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: my house and go with like, it was like, I couldn't,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: you know, back then there was, it was an old
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: house in Brentwood that you could rent with a couple
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: of girls. Now it's probably $ 5 million, but you'd look
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: and then people would be taking photos of the crime
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: scene and they eventually changed the actual address. Wow. Like
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: they were able to change it. And it was just, yeah,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: it's fascinating.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: That whole time that, that was like, Such an amazing
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: era in LA. You had the LA riots. You had
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: the Menendez brothers.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: You had.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: And they all affected the other cases.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, right from the riots, which was
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: Rodney King and how he was treated. And then to,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: and then that affected the OJ trial and like a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: payback kind of a thing and how, you know, there
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: was such a race divide in LA with the police.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: And it was just something that like, We didn't really
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: realize it until years later when people examined it.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: And it was like the beginning of Bob Turr, the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: helicopter above, filming everything.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Who discovered the Bronco on the freeway, right?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: And Bob became a woman.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. He was in two things we did. She
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: was in two things we did. We still sort of
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: stay in touch with her.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like an amazing- A crazy time.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: It's just amazing. Like you just wouldn't, you know, if
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: someone was to tell someone this 40 years ago, you
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: would go, there's no way this is what- Right.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Because there's not just one story. If so many things
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: about our.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: World today, if someone was to tell, like my parents
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: died over 10 years ago and I'm always just like-
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: If only you could- You know, like sometimes I've been
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: watching these TikToks where these people go to like the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: grave site of like- somebody and they tell them like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: what's been going on with other people. And it's such a...
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: like a joyful way to remember the dead because they're like,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: you won't believe it. And they're like rolling around laughing
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, and, and Kelly got pregnant again.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: And like, whatever it is. And I'm like, yeah, I'm
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: always just like, oh my God, my parents would just
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: be like, what?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: But aren't they watching?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're watching. But it's like, I want to be
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: the one to tell them so that it's like, I've
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: got the juicy scoop for the last 12 years that's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: been going on in the world and you just won't
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: believe it. Like, you just will not believe. It's, um, Yeah,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: so I think though, getting back to the carnage a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: little bit, they had that taste of fame, unwillingly, not
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: wanting to be a part of it.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: What, the sex tape?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: No, the OJ. And then I think she was always
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: like a little bit, she was always at events when
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: it was she and Bruce doing like the workout stuff
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: and everything like that. I think she always liked that.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: She was always made for it. It was always perfect.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: And then it was, but then it was like, oh,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: they ran this, she ran a little, you know, baby
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: store in Calabasas that I would go to. And, you know, and, and,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: but she would meet people and, you know, she had
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: some famous friends, you know, Sugar Ray Leonard and like
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: Alan Thicke. But it wasn't like, this is what, this
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: is the end goal. But then when it happened, she
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: was like, of course this was meant to happen.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: It seems to me like she was incredibly aspirational and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: was a player. But, you know, I think reality television
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: hadn't evolved into the obvious option yet. Like that was
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: still in its infancy. And so the timing was all perfect.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, so many things, don't you think, especially being
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: in this business, there's so many times that when there's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: a show, I think Valley Porn. Was that what it
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: was called?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Porno Valley. Porno Valley.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Ahead of its time. There's some shows that are just.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of ours are ahead of their time.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sometimes you're just the right timing and you want
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: to be ahead of your time because you want to
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: be the trailblazer. And then sometimes something is ahead of
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: its time. And you're like, that was just ahead of
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: its time. And people just didn't get the brilliance or
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: didn't catch on. And I feel like with them, it was...
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: the most perfect timing.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: But you nailed it because it was a reality show.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Everything that was happening in those years was a reality show.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: The news cycle was full of one amazing story after
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: another and all the details were just so fascinating and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: sort of ordinary. You know, like on the OJ thing,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Patrick Healy, the local news correspondent, he went to the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: ice cream shop where Nicole was at and then bought
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: a cone of ice cream and went back to her
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: place to see how much it had melted.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: And he's like showing the ice cream cone.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Sort of ridiculous stuff, you know, and sort of, I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think if reality TV hadn't been invented,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: what's the phrase? I don't know. If it hadn't happened,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: someone would have had to invent it, is the gist
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: of it. I don't know.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: And with... in like your adventures in this partnership together
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: was there ever a time that you guys were like
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: I hate you.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: And we're gonna break up every day still we fight
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: a lot in the edit bay um.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, Randy, we fight all the time. We do fight
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: all the time in a great way. I mean, we've been.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Working together for over 30- And you've only ever been
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: platonic business partners?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: We were together for 20 years. Oh, you were? And
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: when we were at film school, it wasn't like we
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: were in the closet, but we were in the same
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: class at film school. And in the morning, we'd go
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: to class and we'd walk in separately. We would be like, okay,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: you go in first, I'll follow in. Because, I mean,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: it was a different time. Of course. And, you know,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: there was- But what we did was the final assignment
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: of the term was to make a music video. I mean,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: this was a time of MTV. You had to make
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: it on film. It was film school. But it was like,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: take a song and make a music. Randy did I
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Like to Live in America, West Side Story. In a shopping,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: in a grocery store. Supermarket. Supermarket. And I did Radioactivity
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: by Kraftwerk. But then we did an extra film. Secretly.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: We did Boys Keep Swinging by David Bowie, and we
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: slipped it into the pile. They showed them all to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: the class, and we put this one in anonymously. And
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: it was us. In our underwear. In our underwear, yes. Well,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: not just, I wasn't porno, but it was sort of,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: it was arty. It was sort of like.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: We didn't put our faces in, so it was like,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: it was like Pop-Tarts popping up from toasters and just
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: campy imagery.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So then how did you break up romantically but
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: stay business partners? Does this only work out because you
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: are both men?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: I think that helps. I think that helps. I don't
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: think lesbians can do that.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think they... I don't know. I feel like
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: they have a harder time staying friends. I don't know, though.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not a lesbian. But I definitely think it's rare
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: that a heterosexual couple... Can, um, I think it's getting
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: better with anybody learning to like co-parent and like get
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: over it, but I don't know. I think it's hard.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: I know there's been people that have been romantic and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: can keep their business going, but, um, I mean, I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: think it's a challenge. So how did it happen?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I think it, it took a couple of minutes, but
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: it was never, I mean, first of all, we were
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: together for 20 years. We worked together. We lived together.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: It was this real tight collaboration. And when we broke up,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: it wasn't... We never really had lots of fights.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Like we had a really.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: peaceful 20 years together.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: And so I think we knew we were going to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: keep working together.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: And I.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Think it was more awkward for people around us.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, did you have a moment
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: where you went to the staff and the- We didn't
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: have a meeting, but we told people and- Were they
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: scared that like- This could all crumble.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: I think there was anxiety there, but I think it wasn't.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: It was short lived, I think, because really we you know,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: it took like six to eight months for it to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: become very natural.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: So then who moved out of the home?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: I did because– why did I? I'll tell you why
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: I did because Fenton fell in love with the house
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: that we were in instantly. And so for me, I
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: felt like this was– like me being like selfless.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I did it. That's why I did it, by the way.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: I made out really well, but that's what I did.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: I also feel like that is what's really interesting about
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: a gay male romantic relationship too, that there is the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: logic that is, I believe, special to a man's brain
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: that's different than the logic of a woman. And that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like when a heterosexual relationship happens, Even though
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: sometimes that can happen and the person can go, you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: care more about that boat than I ever did. But
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: oftentimes it's like a woman hates the boat and she's like,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: I'll take that boat.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Just to be like, and then the guy's like, you
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: hated that boat. Like, you know, like just whatever. And
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: so sometimes I do feel like there's something in just
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: men in general, regardless of sexuality, right? sometimes they just
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: look at things like more black and white and dry
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: and more logical and more financial. And I feel like
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: then their breakups can be nicer.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't a vengeful breakup, you know, because we
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: were going to keep working together. So I suppose it
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't much room to go at it, you know, and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: like wore the roses.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is so great. I think
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: like anybody would wish to have something where it seems
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: somewhat I think it's also very rarely that it's so mutual.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: And well, also for 20 years, like our, like our friends,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: we had, we had the same friend group, our family,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: like his family. I was very close with his family.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: He was close with my family. There was, there were
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: deep relationships across the board and those didn't really end.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: So no one had to pick and choose.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Because oftentimes in a breakup, it's like, who are we
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: getting custody of? And who are we, you know, we
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: have to side with the one that we knew first
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: or the one that we were closest with.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: No, there wasn't that. The one thing that was, we
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: thought we should do couples therapy. And we only went
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: once because it was so ridiculous. And in a way,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: that was helpful in a sense of like, well, look,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: we certainly know we don't need to do this.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: And when you went to the couples therapist, was it
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: a gay man?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: It was a gay man. And he would.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: He would play act behind, like Fenton would say something
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: to me and then he would imagine he was my voice.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 7: And he would come behind me and say, well, I don't,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: you know, he would, it was crazy.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: It was like being.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Do you think he wanted to be an actor?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe. Maybe he was pitching us something.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: My parents went to marriage counseling. They always went.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Did it work?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, they died, you know, married. But there were
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: times definitely where my sister and I would go to
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: bed and be like, when will they get a divorce?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Like, can you?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: And then when they were like old and go to
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: my kids like, you know, T-ball, whatever, people be like,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: your parents are the cutest. And I'm like, when they
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: were that cute in 88, like whatever. But. And they
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: went to this marriage counselor and I was doing standup
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: and they loved going to see my standup. They loved
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: going to the growlings and seeing my friends and everything.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: And they would spend the whole time just like bragging
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: about me and talking about me. And then the guy's like,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: I want to be a standup. So then they're like, oh,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: you're performing at Luna Park, you know, in West Hollywood.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think that exists anymore, but.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: It would go downstairs.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, and they liked that place because it
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: was nice. There was easy parking and they could get,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: my mom could get like a salmon dish, you know,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: they didn't like when it was just like chicken wings, right?
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: And they'd bring clients, they were realtors, they'd bring clients.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: And they're like, we're going to bring the marriage counselor.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, this is so weird, mom. The marriage,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: she's like, I just think he wants to be a standup,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: but you know, whatever, he's siding with me. So I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: don't really care. Let's bring the marriage.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Oh my God.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, so you guys are paying him,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: but then you're also treating him to the fun night.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Like it was just.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: She got him as a client? No, no, no.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: They, she, they had clients, they were realtors, but no, they,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: they would invite real estate clients as well.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: And, uh, but like, yeah, it was just so, but no,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: he wanted to be a standup, I think Mike.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: You know, our other obsession is real estate.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 7: Fenn and I have done a lot of real estate television,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 7: like Million Dollar Listings.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love it, too, because my parents were realtors.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: That's what their business. They were like the first to
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: have bus benches and stuff.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, D.M.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: Ray.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Remember D.M. Ray?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Well, we were Woodland Hills, so it was Bob and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Pam McDonald, welcome you to Woodland Hills. It was all over,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: been terrible of art. And then I was, and then
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: I got my license and I would do that in
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: pursuing standup or whatever. So it was kind of great.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: So like if someone got a sitcom while I was
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: at the groundlings, I wouldn't be sad that they booked something.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, you know, I think we look for
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: something around 300 in Sherman Oaks, which back then you
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: could get something 300 north of the boulevard in Sherman Oaks.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Let's find a cutie, you know.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: For you.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: And they'd be like, oh, this is great. You know,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: and then I'd like get the listing or get the sale.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I love real estate stuff. Now, do you
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: still do real estate shows?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: Do you feel it's... We did Owning Manhattan on Netflix
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: with Ryan Serhant.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: That was huge.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: And now, was that a big deal for him to skip,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: to leave Bravo, to go to Netflix?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Well, Bravo put a pin in Million Dollar Listings.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, so then he had it out.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: So, and with New York first and with LA, like
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: real estate and Bravo doesn't seem to fully, at the moment,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: it doesn't seem to.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I think there's a weird moment in streaming and cable
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: where people are thinking property isn't quite where it's at.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I think they're wrong. Yeah. Because I think we all
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: like to look behind the curtains.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I call that real estate porn. I feel
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: like I like to, especially when it's like, OC or whatever. Like,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: I remember I was like, I have a pool, I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: have a, it outs at my house in La Quinta.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: We have a TV out there. And I'm like, I
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: just want to watch the entire thing of OC, selling
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: OC from my pool.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, good.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: Because it's hot, but I'm in my pool, but I'm
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: looking at like oceanfront property.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: That's great. That's so good.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: That's a scene. I make it like an interactive experience.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: In your documentary.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: And then you just like stream the whole thing.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: From the feet walking down the street. She's like, I'm
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: going on vacation.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: And then you guys always have to, like, who chooses
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: that cheesy music? And I got my heels and I
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: got my money.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: They have a library. They have a library of, they
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: just make money on that. Yeah.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: Well, this has been so much fun talking to you guys.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Absolutely love it. We have several projects that we are
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: now doing together. Yes. We do.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Your documentary.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: My documentary.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Kathie Lee Gifford.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: Kathie Lee Gifford's documentary. The next movie. My movies.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: So just, you know where to find me. But no, seriously,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: it was so interesting to hear kind of your history
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: and how you came together. The movie is so funny.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: Stop that train. I'm telling you, bring whomever. It's not
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: too dirty at all. It's just edgy and funny enough
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: that And it's so clever. And there's lots of pop culture.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: There's even there's political jokes that both sides will love,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: which I thought was good, too. Just the absurdity. Like
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: there's some like Veep moments that I kind of like
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: that are really funny.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: You know, the satire in there was written to be
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: so ridiculously absurd. absurd that it wouldn't look like an attack.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: Not at all. But.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Events have so overtaken the movie. It's like now it
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: looks like it's a real targeted satire. It's only President
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Gagwell was the president of the United States. And if
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: only the president was Shifan. Yes.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just that it's a train and just so clever
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: and funny. So hats off to everybody that put that
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: movie together. It was really funny. And I want to
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: see Drew wear that wig. I want to see Drew
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: wear that wig a little bit more. I'm telling you,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: she looked great. I was like, I like this look. Well,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: here's a little secret.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: Next season of Drag Race, people are going to kind
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: of gag with some of the hair that Rue is wearing.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Good. It's fun.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: It's so great. Anyway, tell everybody where they can, anything
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: else you want to, how they can find you or
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: follow you or if you, do you have your personal
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: Instagram or no, or just.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Fenton J. Bailey is on Instagram and you're, what are you, Randy?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: I'm Randy Barbato on Instagram.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: But people can still see Stop That Train in movie
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: theaters and mid-July it'll be on video on demand on
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: Prime TV. Video and Apple TV. And then later this year,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: it'll be streaming, but we can't say where yet.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's exciting. And everybody, I'm at HeatherMcDonald.net for all
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: my things on my Patreon. Thank you. Love you.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Bye. Thank you.
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