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Why We (as Christians) Should Support Israel | Olivier Melnick · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy a Prophecy Watchers Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to the Prophecy Watchers Podcast. I am here
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  Speaker 2: in studio with Olivia Melnick. Welcome Olivier.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me on the show.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to be talking about a very important topic.
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  Speaker 2: And really before we do, I want to remind everybody
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot going on. We have another conference
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  Speaker 2: coming up in June in Colora Springs, Olivia. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to be there on that one. And so again lot's
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  Speaker 2: going on everybody. And the topic today, which we think
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  Speaker 2: is extremely important is you know, if we talk about
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  Speaker 2: anti semitism, sometimes people can be maybe a little shocked
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  Speaker 2: by that. Oh that's that's something I'm not really interested in.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe let's let's let's phrase it in a in
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  Speaker 2: a positive way for a moment. How would we instead
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  Speaker 2: of being anti something, what would be what would be
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  Speaker 2: the positive?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? Well, the opposite of anti Semitism is philo Semitism,
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  Speaker 1: which means, you know, loving the Jews. But what's interesting, Mando,
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  Speaker 1: is that, uh, the word Semite there basically comes from
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  Speaker 1: the descendants of Shem, you know, the the the one
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  Speaker 1: of the three sons of Noah. And uh, when you
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  Speaker 1: use the word Semite or Semitic, you know from Semitic descent,
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  Speaker 1: you are describing Jews and Arabs. But when you use
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  Speaker 1: the word anti Semitic, it's only for Jews.
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  Speaker 2: I just just no, no, I'm glad you did that
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  Speaker 2: because I actually had that question this week. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we get a lot of questions, and somebody had written
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  Speaker 2: in and asked, well, where where does this come from?
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  Speaker 2: You know, when they looked it up, they saw what
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  Speaker 2: you said was, you know, one of the sons of
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  Speaker 2: no And I said, well again, it's you have the way,
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  Speaker 2: you have the etymology of the word, but then you
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  Speaker 2: have the use of the word, and the use is
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  Speaker 2: only of Jewish people, because you know, in languages you
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  Speaker 2: talk about Semitic languages, you know, Hebrew and Arabic and
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  Speaker 2: other things.
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  Speaker 1: But and anti Semitism, by the way, the word itself
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  Speaker 1: is fairly recent. It's less than two hundred years old.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was. It was coined in eighteen sixty
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  Speaker 1: seven by a German guy by the name of Willem Mahr,
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  Speaker 1: who just decided to use the word to explain how
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  Speaker 1: people could, you know, could protect themselves from this Jewish race.
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  Speaker 1: And so it was anti Semitism moose in German. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the first time it was used, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: it got a life of its own, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: it is what it is now. But anti Semitism as
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  Speaker 1: a concepts, as a form of hatred against the Jews,
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  Speaker 1: has existed since you can you can make a case
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  Speaker 1: since the.
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  Speaker 2: First Jew, since the first Jew, you know. And it's
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  Speaker 2: interesting too that I like what you said earlier, just
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  Speaker 2: the idea of I think if we were anti Semitism
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  Speaker 2: is again is against or it's anti something. But to
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  Speaker 2: be even a supporter of Israel or pro Israel or
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  Speaker 2: a lover of Israel, let's talk about that. For a
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  Speaker 2: moment in the sense of as a Christian who loves
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  Speaker 2: the Scripture, who believes the Bible, why should we Why
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  Speaker 2: should our default? Okay, and that doesn't mean we endorse
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  Speaker 2: everything every Jew has ever done, just like we would
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  Speaker 2: endorse what every Gentile has ever done, or Italian or Chinese.
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  Speaker 2: But why should the default for a biblical, spirit filled
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  Speaker 2: born again Christian? Why should our default be in a
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  Speaker 2: support of Israel?
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  Speaker 1: Good question. I think it starts with your approach to
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  Speaker 1: the Bible itself. Anybody who has an allegorical, symbolic approach
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  Speaker 1: to the Bible that can mean whatever you want it
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  Speaker 1: to mean on a different day or to different people,
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  Speaker 1: theyre going to have a lot of trouble reconciling a
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  Speaker 1: lot of past. But if you take a grammatical, historical
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  Speaker 1: approach to the Bible and pay attention to the pay
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  Speaker 1: attention to the context, you cannot avoid the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Israel is all over the Bible and God as a
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  Speaker 1: plan for mankind that revolves around the Jewish people. You know,
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  Speaker 1: often tell people look at the First Book of the Bible,
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  Speaker 1: fifty chapters in Genesis, the first book of the Bible,
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  Speaker 1: eleven chapters on mankind and thirty nine chapters on Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Does that tell you anything? Do you think God wants
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  Speaker 1: to maybe from the word go give us an idea
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  Speaker 1: that there is going to put an emphasis on the
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  Speaker 1: Jewish people, not because we're better, not because we're more numerous. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: in his word he says, I chose you not because
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  Speaker 1: you are numerous, you're small people, but because of you. Know,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. I want to use
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  Speaker 1: you to be elect to the nations. Mind you, we
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  Speaker 1: haven't done a very good job at that. That's for
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  Speaker 1: another time.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, well you know, to me, it's you know, it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: As said, it comes back to the Bible. I mean
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  Speaker 2: John four twenty two, Jesus is speaking to this Mearitan woman.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, you don't you don't I have right here?
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  Speaker 2: You worship what you do not know? We know what
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  Speaker 2: we worship for salvation is of the Jews. I think
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  Speaker 2: as well that Paul addresses this in Romans nine, where
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  Speaker 2: he says, well, what advantage does it you have?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: They have all kinds of advantages that that that God
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  Speaker 2: gave them. But again he looked at the world and
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  Speaker 2: he decided I'm going to send my son and of
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  Speaker 2: course an eternity past, and he chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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  Speaker 2: But as we come down the question, I think or
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  Speaker 2: that that for me in my mind is Jesus has
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  Speaker 2: Jewish or when he was here, Okay, Jewish blood, is
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  Speaker 2: Jewish dna in his humanity.
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  Speaker 1: Is the only Jew kept the six hundred and thirteen
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  Speaker 1: Commandments perfectly? Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't we love Jesus our savior, who I would
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  Speaker 2: say he still is Jewish and his Jewish family, his
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  Speaker 2: Jewish brothren, Jesus. Did Jesus hate the Jews? Did Jesus
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  Speaker 2: hate the Jews?
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  Speaker 1: Of course not, of course not. Now it's interesting you
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  Speaker 1: had said that, because I was having a conversation with
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  Speaker 1: our good friend Indy Woods this morning talking about the
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  Speaker 1: Synagogue of Satan and of your Father the Devil. And
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  Speaker 1: when people tell me like, well, you know, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's obviously the New Testament is anti Semitic,
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  Speaker 1: and you know there's you know, there's a case to
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  Speaker 1: be made for hating the Jews. I have to bring
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  Speaker 1: people back to the reality that those passages they're speaking,
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  Speaker 1: whoever speaks to these people they are Jewish, Yes, But
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  Speaker 1: they're speaking to sinners who are missing the mark first,
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  Speaker 1: who happened to be Jewish. Second, their ethnicity has no
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  Speaker 1: bearing on their sin. But that's the way that the
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  Speaker 1: world is looking the other way. They believe today that
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  Speaker 1: the ethnicity of the Jewish people is the cause of
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  Speaker 1: their sin and that's why we should destroy them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's a great point because I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: a definition. Anti anti Semitism is racism, and when we
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  Speaker 2: talk about racism, it's it's stereotyping a certain person automatically,
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  Speaker 2: just by again their genetics or whatever. So in that regard,
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  Speaker 2: you hear people saying, well, well, what about George Soros. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's a sinful Jewish person. What about Bill Clinton? He's
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  Speaker 2: a sinful gentile person. So just just to say that.
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  Speaker 1: About you and me, we've been forgiven.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, you know what, I'm actually fifty percent French,
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  Speaker 2: so you're I'm sorry, so we're we're all my families
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  Speaker 2: from the south of France. But the so we're sinful
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  Speaker 2: French people. Or you know, I got a part Hispanic,
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  Speaker 2: so what whatever. But to say that just because somebody
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  Speaker 2: has this ethnic distinction, now all of a sudden automatically
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  Speaker 2: abc D. See that's racism, right of course.
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  Speaker 1: And again we are sinners first, and we happen to
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  Speaker 1: be whatever ethnicity we come from, and in that that
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have no bearing on our sin We don't need
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  Speaker 1: ethnicity or or any kind of background to be sentnered
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  Speaker 1: who is sinners from birth.
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  Speaker 2: But let's let's talk about give us you know, the
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  Speaker 2: audience here who might not know kind of some of
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  Speaker 2: the things. First of all, tell them I would like
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  Speaker 2: them to how can I find you? You know, how
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  Speaker 2: can I find you online to learn more about your ministry?
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  Speaker 2: And then let's talk about some of the books that
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  Speaker 2: you've written up until this current book that you dis got.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I post a lot of information on two sites.
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  Speaker 1: One is where I put my articles. It's like it's
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  Speaker 1: new anti Semitism dot com. And also I've got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of videos, devotional videos, videos on anti Semitism and
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  Speaker 1: times prophecy on my YouTube channel, Olivia Melnick Today through
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  Speaker 1: Jewish Eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're I mean, you're obviously a prophecy expert
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  Speaker 2: in that regard to so you talk about a broad things,
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  Speaker 2: but certainly Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, So that's they can find in my books
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  Speaker 1: are on Amazon. Yeah, so and you carry something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah and our yeah, in our lah store. So yes,
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  Speaker 2: you buy from us not and thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about that. The The End Times Anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: Uh you what what did you do there in that book?
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  Speaker 1: What do you antis? Okay? I'm sorry? Uh okay. En
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  Speaker 1: Times Anti Semitism is is two books prior to this
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  Speaker 1: one that I just published this year, n Times Anti
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  Speaker 1: Semitism is. It's an overview of the history of anti
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  Speaker 1: Semitism from basically, I speak a little bit about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Hayman and Pharaoh did not know Joseph and the Amelokites.
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  Speaker 1: And then I move and move forward to the anti
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  Speaker 1: nesse and Church fathers, the early church fathers who took
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  Speaker 1: the scriptures and and and allegorized and and decided that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they were starting to slowly distance themselves from
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  Speaker 1: the Jews. And that's what I call the the first
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  Speaker 1: kind of anti Simpism, the theological anti Judaism. It was
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  Speaker 1: not really against the Jews, but it was like us
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  Speaker 1: and them, we you know. So I I cover theological
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  Speaker 1: anti anti Judaism, I cover classical anti semitism, racial anti semitism,
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  Speaker 1: which is when you know what what led UH the
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  Speaker 1: Nazis to kill six million Jews. Then we move to
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  Speaker 1: the new anti Semitism and times anti Semitism is where
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  Speaker 1: we are right now, and I cover that too, and
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  Speaker 1: and even talk about the last UH, the last chapter
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  Speaker 1: which hasn't been written yet. What's been written but it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been played, is the uh tribulation anti Semitism. So
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  Speaker 1: I do an overview in that book of of of
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  Speaker 1: all those chapters in the history of anti Semitism, some
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  Speaker 1: of them past, some of them present, and some of
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  Speaker 1: them future. And I spend a little time also UH
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  Speaker 1: sharing with Christians how they can make a difference and
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  Speaker 1: fight it and speak up and and and against anti
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  Speaker 1: Semitism and and build bridges. You can use anti semitism
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  Speaker 1: when you fight it properly to build bridges between Christians
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  Speaker 1: and a Jewish unity.
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  Speaker 2: Right exactly. I mean, that's that seems to me. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you know this, but you know, my undergrad is in
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  Speaker 2: Jewish study, so we studied a lot of Jewish history
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  Speaker 2: and Moody, and but to me, it was fascinating to
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  Speaker 2: watch how the the reality of church persecution and anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism and how that closed the bridge, I mean shut
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  Speaker 2: that destroyed the bridge, burned the bridge. Yeah, there's nothing there.
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  Speaker 2: And and the goal here, I mean one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons why we're talking about this is because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: October seventh, it's kind of going to be a new day.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a new date, like like America
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  Speaker 2: has September eleventh, you know, for Israel, certainly there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of dates of wars, but something October seventh to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, October seventh, for if there's anybody in your audience
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  Speaker 1: not aware of what took place is basically a massive
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  Speaker 1: terrorist attack from the Gaza strip in southern and in
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  Speaker 1: the southwest part of Israel, moving into Israel and going
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  Speaker 1: into you know, seven different kibut seem the community, the
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  Speaker 1: commune where Jewish people live together and work together, and
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  Speaker 1: also some private homes.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a party going on, and there.
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  Speaker 1: Was also that forgot, Yeah, I forgot about that. The concert,
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  Speaker 1: the Peace Concert to Peace Concert, a Peace concert two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty. And what's interesting is that at that
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  Speaker 1: concert there were a lot of people that were Jewish
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  Speaker 1: people that were not necessarily in favor of everything that
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  Speaker 1: Israel is standing for kind of progazza. Many of them
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  Speaker 1: print out progressive but pro Palestinic pros two state solution
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter you're Jewish, you're gone. And so
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  Speaker 1: originally fourteen hundred people twelve hundred. Now about a week ago,
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  Speaker 1: the Israeli government brought it down to twelve hundred because
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  Speaker 1: they were able to recognize the bodies better, which it's
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  Speaker 1: amazing to me, you know. I bring it up because
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  Speaker 1: it shows the spirit of of the Israeli government and
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  Speaker 1: the idea. They went for fourteen hundred, which was really bad,
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  Speaker 1: the highest, the highest Jewish casualty since the Holocaust. But
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  Speaker 1: then they revised it to twelve hundred.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't inflate it.
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  Speaker 1: They did inflate it. The hospital that got the missile
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  Speaker 1: that fell on the hospital that you know, Israel was
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  Speaker 1: accused of it, and of course very quickly we found
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  Speaker 1: out there was you know, a dud that fell on
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  Speaker 1: the hospital from Hamas. They said that originally five hundred
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  Speaker 1: people died and the hospital was destroyed and it was Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Well it was actually the parking lot and not five
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  Speaker 1: hundred people died. But it doesn't matter because they always
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  Speaker 1: inflate and Israel in the midst of their tragedy, revised
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  Speaker 1: their numbers to be more accurate.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing the entire different perspective, even as it relates
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  Speaker 2: to the to the way that the war is handled
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  Speaker 2: and other things. I mean, here, do you have a
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  Speaker 2: specific target of just innocent people? You know, again, as
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  Speaker 2: we said, you know, the killing, the butchering, the beheading,
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  Speaker 2: the putting babies and ovens. I mean sick, it's wicked,
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  Speaker 2: it's evil. And but let's what's the source of it?
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  Speaker 2: What's the source of this?
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  Speaker 1: Satan?
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  Speaker 2: Satan?
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  Speaker 1: Satan is you know, in my definition of anti Semitism, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I give satan is is one second of fame because
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned the demonic aspect of the satanic aspect of
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  Speaker 1: anti Semitism. Anti Semitism is the irrational and satanic hatred
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  Speaker 1: of the Jewish people and Israel, characterized by thoughts, words,
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  Speaker 1: and or deeds against them. And you see this over
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  Speaker 1: over the centuries, and and the question you could ask
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  Speaker 1: is why is Satan so hell bent? I should say, maybe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hell bent on on on going after the Jews?
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  Speaker 1: What what what? What does he have against the Jews. Well,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at at the final chapter. You know
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen, you know in in you know
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  Speaker 1: the the the the end times, what which we're fast approaching. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the last seven years known as the Great Tribulation, also
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  Speaker 1: known as the time of Jacob's Trouble, where God is
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  Speaker 1: going to be disciplining Israel and chastising Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: What's going to happen is that at the end of
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  Speaker 1: that tribulation, the Jewish people who are going to survive
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  Speaker 1: will call on your shoe. Are going like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we missed our fathers missed him at the first coming.
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  Speaker 1: He is the Messiah. We believe it. And they're gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: blessed is he who comes in the name of the
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  Speaker 1: Lord Barham. Don't I Jesus said, you should have said
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  Speaker 1: you will not see me again until you say that
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  Speaker 1: those words. So what a lot of Christians don't They
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily connect the dots, but they need to understand this.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus is not coming back when all the gentiles are
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  Speaker 1: saved and in all the numbers, Jesus is coming back
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  Speaker 1: when Israel calls him to return. And when he returns,
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  Speaker 1: Satan goes unemployed and he doesn't like where it's being
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  Speaker 1: said for or retirement. It's not. It's not ready club men.
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  Speaker 1: So he wants to stop it or postpone it. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what he's been doing. So he's been beyond anti
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  Speaker 1: Semitism for for for millennia, and and he keeps reinventing
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  Speaker 1: or repackaging, i should say repackaging anti Semitism. So it
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  Speaker 1: comes from it comes from, you know, from from Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: from academia, from governments, from from individuals, from from churches,
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  Speaker 1: from within the church. I mean, there's a case to
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  Speaker 1: be made for anti symity, for replacement theology, which is
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  Speaker 1: the false theology claiming that the Church has replaced Israel
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  Speaker 1: and the promises of God. There's a case to be
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  Speaker 1: medt that this is actually anti Semitic because it's basically
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  Speaker 1: pushing the Jesus side. And if you push the Jesus side,
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  Speaker 1: they're not no longer in God's plan, then eventually we
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  Speaker 1: can get rid of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly. I mean they're if you think about
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  Speaker 2: a Christian who that they don't like replacement theology. They
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  Speaker 2: like the term fulfillment theology. But regardless, it's the same, different,
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  Speaker 2: it's the same. It's the same difference. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: for them, we're not saying either that anybody that would
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  Speaker 2: be uh replacement diologions that they're embracing the murder of
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  Speaker 2: Jewish people. Not necessarily, no, no. But it's interesting though
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  Speaker 2: that what people don't realize is that theology, the subtle
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  Speaker 2: nature of how it contributes to the full blown or
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  Speaker 2: even the medium blown ideas of anti Semitism. For sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think they're facilitating the process. Yeah, exactly. And
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  Speaker 1: then you can take you you take replacement theology, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I called it that in
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  Speaker 1: one of my of my messages. Christian Palestinianism is replacement
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  Speaker 1: theology on steroids. Yep. It's like making Israel Palestine, making
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the Jesus a Palestinian, not a Jew, and then changing everything.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I think that. I don't know if you ever have
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: had him on your show, but the expert on Christian
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Palastianism is Paul Wilkinson. Oh you know, no, he's a
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: he's a British guy. Is he's usually the pre tributes.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: He's the expert on that anyway. But so this there's
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: what was the usual question, Well, you know.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: We're just we're kind of just laying the foundation, because
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: where I do want to go is in your new book,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the normalization of anti Semitism, when the oldest hatred becomes
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: a new normal. Let's let's talk about that for a minute,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: because you know in the book, how do you define normalization?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Normalization is let me read it so it's it's not complicated.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Normalization is the process by which something previously considered abnormal
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: or unacceptable becomes perceived as normal. No, so normalization in
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: a vacuum is not necessarily bad. The normalization of diplomatic
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: ties between Saudi Arabia and Israel, that's good, would be
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: a good thing, okay. But normalization of anti Semitism, that's
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: an oxymoron. And that's that's I think where we are today.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: The the.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Like I mentioned to you in another conversation, the Palestinian narrative,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the agenda of the PLO and Arafat and the people
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: in Fata and Hamas and as. At first, it was like,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you know, it got some pushback in the sixties, and eventually,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you know, pushing it enough and enough and enough people
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: bought the lie. And now they're basically in agreement that
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you know, the Palestinians are the poor, the poor victims.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: The new anti Semitism has switched to victims and the perpetrators,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the Israelis are the new Nazis and the ad least
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and the Palestinians are the poor victims. And now the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: world is buying it, and I think especially in the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: young people. And then as we see right now, the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: young people are completely blinded to the truth by their
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: search for social justice.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: You know, and I will say this that do I
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: believe the Palestinians are victims?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, they're victims of Hamas absolutely. I mean they
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: You think about that, the billions and billions and billions
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of dollars that has come in, and I mean these
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: people people just need to be honest. That again, no
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: one's saying his rules perfect, but the fact of the
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: matter is the billions of dollars come in. You know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you have the Hamas leadership living in and Cutter and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: other places. They're living in these penthouses. I mean, where's
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: that money coming from. It's coming from the aid that's
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: been given. And instead of I read run report where
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the European Union won in and they were putting in
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: pipes for water and you know, for infrastructure. And then
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: as soon as they left, Hamas was digging up and
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: using the pipes for rocket launchers. And so you have
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: again you have a lot of good from the world
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: trying to help, but the people there, they're not getting helped. No.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And the question I have, Mundo, is what is the world?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: You know, when you think about it, do you think
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the people sending the money and sending the sending the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: materials for the infrastructure you think they don't? If you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and I find yeah, exactly. If you and I know
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that they're doing what they're doing, those governments sending billions
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of dollars, then know as well. So they become co
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: perpetrators with Hamas. I know it sounds terrible, but they
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: become coo perpetrators and they can posture all day. Want
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: we care about the Palestini costs.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: They don't. If they do, they would there be some
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: level of accountability by the United Nations. But people are
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: getting bought off. It's again, it comes back to the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: love of money, as we know scripture does. But you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you know one of the things that you do in
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the book, the different stages in the normalization, I really
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I want this is powerful to me help people understand,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: because if they understand the stages, all of us can
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: look inward and say, oh wow, I didn't realize that
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: maybe in my own mind or my own default position
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is participating in some of these stages.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Talk about that, well, the ten stages. It's very it's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: very interesting because when I work on the book, it
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: took me a while to do my research and write
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the book, and then it was published I think, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: early spring of twenty twenty three. And here are the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: ten stages that I identify. Some of them come from
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the previous one. They go in order, but they also
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: continue and overlap, so it's not a clear shut. It
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: stops the next one it stops.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: There's definitely a progression of intensity.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. So we start with apathy, which continues all
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the way through. So let me read you the ten
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and I'll comment on that apathy, lack of education, law
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: or incorrect reporting, desensitization, lack of accountability, empowerment, demonization of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the defenders, persecution of the Jews and the defenders, encouragement
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to kill and mass murder of Jews. And I'm going
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to need to do I'm going to need to revise
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: my book because until October seventh. I it's in the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: book it says all nine are in place, the only
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: one that hasn't been in place yet but will come
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: in place. When I'm thinking, probably during the tribulation is
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the mass murder of Jews? Well, twelve hundred Jews in
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a couple of hours on October seventh is a mass
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: murder of Jews? What does that amount to in American lives?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you do the proportion, it would
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: be like America losing over fifty thousand in one in
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: one two hour period, right, I mean again, that's more
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: than Vietnam War. So you think about that, How would America?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: How would the government America respond for a terrorist attack
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: maybe across the border, either from Canada or Mexico, doesn't matter.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: But they came in and slaughtered women, you know, men, women, babies, children,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: all of it. Over fifty thousand, that would be it'd
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: be a declaration of war.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Which is no, they would no, they would ask for
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a ceasefire.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Well that's see.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: But again that double standards, double standard, double.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Standard, And there's that's we know that the media and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: those the globalists have no conscience because they do have
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: double centers over.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Because what's going to happen in in in in Gaza
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: if there is a cease fire? Okay, you know, somebody
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: put on a social network. If we have a ceasefire,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: does that mean the the hostages go to go home,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they go home for the weekend.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes no sense of regrouping.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: It's a regrouping, reorganizing. They're not getting much from outside
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Gaza anymore in terms of weapons, but God knows how
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: much they have.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, and Israel has been very clear. Yeah, well
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the sea. As soon as you we'll stop the release
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the siege. As soon as you release the hostage, it's
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: no problem done.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: But you know they they want to use the hostages
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: as as you know, shield and currency. Yeah so uh
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: so anyway, so that those ten are in place, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and they need to be Christians need to uh they
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: have a part. They can plan that because uh uh
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: they they can speak up, they can be vocal about
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: every single step. You know. Apathy, You know you see
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: people people go like, well, you know, I don't know
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: anybody Jewish, or I don't have any any Jews in
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: my neighborhood, or I live in small town America and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: so they just go like, you know, I'm not gonna
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: worry about it. It's not it's not my fight, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: or they just they don't care. And and we have
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a lot and of course lack of education. Uh, you
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: see this on all level of society. I mean you
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: see TV shows, you know, uh, you know, you see
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: people I'm not gonna name names because I don't like
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to do that, but there's people on TV shows are
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: more liberal shows when they're you know, they make nonsense
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: comments like, uh like the Holocaust was white on white.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Uh you know who said that? But you know, I'm
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: not gonna unless you want to say it. Uh. So,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of a lot of misunderstanding
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: of the Holocaust and the low or incorrect reporting.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: That that's a key, right, there's this This also include
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: a lack of well you have that on education in
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the sense of reporting, but also understanding history.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Right and understanding you know that you know, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I say this often. The anti Semitism did not happen
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in a vacuum. We are today where we are because
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: of a progression of anti Semitism. Of all the acts,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you can actually look at the Jewish people and and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and and and and that's kind of like what I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: do in a class that I teach uh on the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: history of the Jewish people. You can look at the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: history of the Jewish people through the lens of anti
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Semitism and then look at all those events you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: like like the Church Fathers, uh, the Black Plagues, you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the Crusades, the Black Plagues, Luther the programs, the Holocaust
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and all those different things, and you know, just a
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: few You can look at Jewish history that way. And
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: but the lower incorrect reporting is that a lot of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: times things happen in uh in In in terms of
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: anti Semitic acts that are not reported as hate crimes exactly,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and uh in are or it's it's or it's not
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: even it's either not reported or it's it's underreported. And
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: that's for those who are reported. There's many many events,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: anti Submitic events that the Jewish community doesn't even bother
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to respond because they know it's.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Not gonna I just try to report that just a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: few days ago that if we're talking about hate crime
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: or whatever specifically, under that over sixty five percent of
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: hate crimes are anti Semitic hate crimes. I mean that's
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: that's a huge amount for such a small, relatively small
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: group by proportion. And again this is where it comes
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: back to wells. As we addressed why it's satanic. This
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: it's satanic, and so the whole world lies in this
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: way and the power of the wicked one right for
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: John five nineteen, and so the fact that and Jesus
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: called him the ruler of the world, and John twelve,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: John fourteen, and I mean John sixteen old and over,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: so the fact that Satan is the ruler of this
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: world presently and has much influence. And by nature, we're
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: all children of wrath, we are sons of the devil.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is Ephesians too. So you have this
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: theology here. So when I look around, I go, wow,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: it's amazing that people like you mentioned in John eighty
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: forty four, they are doing the works of their father,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the devil, who's a murder from the beginning. And so
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: you have this. It's pervasive amongst everywhere. Again, many people
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: have this negative attitude and they don't even know why.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: But the progression continues. Let's talk about for a moment,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: unless you want to talk about another a different one.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But the demonization of the defenders and how we've been
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: seeing that right now post October seven, right.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I want to go back briefly maybe to I want
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to say a few words about the lack of accountability, okay,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: because people will will, will have will commit acts of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: anti Semitism and there's absolutely zero punishment, and so it's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it's basically it leads to the next one, the empowerment.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It emboldens people to do more. There was a case
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: in France, I believe it was twenty seventeen when this
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: man threw this retired doctor, this woman out of the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: window of her apartment to her death, screaming a la
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: acbar and you know, through through the window and she died.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Her name was Sarah Halimi. She was a doctor and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: she was retired. And so of course he was arrested,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty one, the call Casas, which is
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the highest courte in France, kind of like the Supreme Court,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: decided that they were not even going to have a trial.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: It's not even like they were gonna, you know, have
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a trial. And he was you know, he was not
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: if not found guilty, they woulday, we're not even going
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to trial the man because he was smoking pot when
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he pushed her through the window, So he was not responsible.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So we're not gonna dismiss I'm not having a trial. Now.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: This on the backdrop of in France, if you throw
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: your dog through the window, you get fined I think
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: it's five thousand euros and you can get up to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: two years in prison. You doggle your cat a pet.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: So what is the message it's sending the Jewish community
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: of France and the world is that you know what,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: you can throw a Jew out the window and walk free,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: but not not a dog. So now again we're lesser
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: than animals or vermin were subhuman as going back.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: To the house, And what you just said is that
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: it leaves a tone, it leaves a flavor that for
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and emboldens those to be like, oh, well that's that case.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I'll just claim that I was, or maybe I will
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: go smoke Potter. So with that same reason, I guess
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: all these guys that were on drugs down to the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: hamas the captic on drug out killing their own drugs,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't be trying or.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: The I mean they don't have that's that's right. Well,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: they don't have to worry about accountability because they're actually
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: being praised for what they're doing by their own governments,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: so they're not going to be arrested or anything. Uh
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: soomin demonisation of the defenders. What's what's happening right now
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: is that uh we try it. Try to go walk
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a pro Hamas or I should
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: say pro Palestinian uh protest anywhere in the world right
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: now and walk with a flag of Israel. You don't
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: even have to be Jewish. Keep well, you don't even
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: have to be Jewish. You you know, you're brandishing a
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: flag of.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Is The one guy got killed ever we got hit
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: with the megaphone.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Right and I don't know if I think he was
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Jewish polecastler, yeah, in the in the in the l A, yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean maybe not, but but he was
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: definitely in that uh in that group of pro.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Said it doesn't matter if you're just you're holding an
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Israeli flag.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right now you're being demonized. Uh And and the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: next one, persecution of Jews and defenders. The demonisation in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: persecution is a is a reality now, you know. Going
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: back to UH. One thing I wanted to talk about
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in in the UH under the education in the reporting
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: is uh the three d's of not Sharansky. I don't
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: know if you know not that Sharansky is a so
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Viet refused Nick.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: He came to Israel and he worked with the the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: immigration department and he's still alive. He actually spoke at
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the the d C uh uh uh rally uh you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: recently and he came up with I haven't found anything
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: better as of as of yet, I use it all
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the time. He came up with a three d's to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: define if a person or an action is anti Semitic, demonization, delegitimization,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and double standards. If it fits any of those or
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: all three, it's anti Semitic. The demonization of the Jews
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: or Israel making them into you know, a people group
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: or a person that that's that's evil. Or the delegitimization
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: is saying that Israel doesn't have the right to exist,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Jews should should go somewhere else. Or the double standards.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, when when I said double standards, I have
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the word U N flashing flashing in front of my
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: my head. Okay, so the double standards are just mind boggling.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, how Israel is singled out by so many,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: not just at the u N, but so demonization, delegitimization,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: or double standards. If if any of those three apply
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to an event or something a person said, or then
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's anti Semitism. And let me say it, because
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of people tell me I'm not anti Semitic,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I'm anti Zionists. Well, I have yet to find an
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: anti Zionist who is not anti Semitic. I'm not saying
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: it's impossible. You can be anti Zonic Zionist politically. You can,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, fine tune the definition. But
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: all anti Zionists that I have talked to or or
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: watched or heard to date are basically anti Semites wearing
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a cloak of anti Zionism. But they're not fully it sounds.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I'm more pable that. Oh, I'm just you know, I'm
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: not against Jews in general, you know, let them go
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: live in your Ganda. I'm just against him living in
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Israel or whatever. And you go, no, in reality, again,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: there's that that subtle, that subtle hatred there.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Well, you know that Jews were also they were offered
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: your ganda before nineteen fourty eight. They were offered another place.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: The other place is Madagascar? Really, yes, it's convenient. It's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: an island we can get to.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You know, there is right there it is, you know
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: how consistent. Well, let's talk about probably. You know, we've
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: established certainly some of the wickedness and evil and the
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: basis and the foundations for some of this. But the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: goal isn't to leave people there. The goal is to
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: encourage a proper response. Let's let's talk about let's talk
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: about a proper response. You wrote about this in the book,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and let's let's let's define it. Let's let's talk about it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Okay. So in during the war, during the Second World War,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: not the Third World War that we're in right now, right,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, by the way, when do you define
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: war and when do we say it's a Third World War?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Not yet?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: No, it's always historical.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right. See, I knew you were going to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: teach me something today. All right. So, during the war,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: there was a group of people, and today they've identified
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: about maybe fifty five thousand of them. It's not that many.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: The Yad Vashem in Israel, the Holocaust Memorial has identified
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  Speaker 1: righteous gentiles who helped Jews during Second World Warst. Kitdler
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  Speaker 1: was one core tem boom Roll Wallenberg, Ditric Vanhaffat. All
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  Speaker 1: those guys, all those gentiles who risked their lives to
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  Speaker 1: help Jewish people. Didn't take any money, and they were
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  Speaker 1: not Jewish, and they risked their lives to help them.
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  Speaker 1: So these became known as the righteous among the nations,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: or the righteous gentiles. And again there's probably fifty three
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  Speaker 1: fifty five thousand in the world. They keep finding them,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: but not that many, you know, there are a lot
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: of them, you know, are dead now. So when these
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  Speaker 1: are recognized as righteous gentiles, the highest standard they can
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: get is this metal. And then when they die they
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: become honorary members, honorary citizens of Israel. Oh wow, So
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  Speaker 1: it's the highest downdar they can get. And so these
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  Speaker 1: were during the wars during the Second World War. And
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  Speaker 1: I've been looking at this passage in Matthew, which is
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Matthew twenty five forty six, the Parable
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  Speaker 1: of the Goats and the Sheep. And here we have
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  Speaker 1: a passage where you show I speaking to what I
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  Speaker 1: believe is a group of gentiles who were left behind
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  Speaker 1: went through the tribulation survived the tribulation. And actually when
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  Speaker 1: you see the passage, there's two groups. The sheep are
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  Speaker 1: the ones who actually help Jewish people, rescue them, sheltered them,
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  Speaker 1: closed them, fed them, protected them. And when you show
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  Speaker 1: comes back at the end of the tribulation, you look
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  Speaker 1: at these people and said, for what you did to
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  Speaker 1: the least of these brethrend of mine, which I believe
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  Speaker 1: means Jewish people according to the flesh, as Jesus was
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  Speaker 1: a Jew in the flesh, you did to me and so,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and he said, now you get to enter into the
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  Speaker 1: millenial kingdom. You know here you don't collect two hundred
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  Speaker 1: straight straight in and then you can talk to the goats.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the other side of the coin. To the
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  Speaker 1: to the extent that you didn't do any of those things,
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  Speaker 1: you go to the like of fire. And so I
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  Speaker 1: believe that we are you and I are going to
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  Speaker 1: be I mean the believers, not just you and I,
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  Speaker 1: but the believers are going to be raptured before the tribulation.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter if you think you're going to
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  Speaker 1: go through the tribulation, if you think you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be raptured before the wrath of God, to thirst three
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  Speaker 1: quarter of tribulation. Wherever you fit, it doesn't matter. There's
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  Speaker 1: a principle of being saved, becoming a child of God,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: becoming a Christian, and seeing that God has a plan
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  Speaker 1: for the Jews, and he loves the Jewish people the
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  Speaker 1: apple of his eyes zach Are to eight. And when
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  Speaker 1: you see that and you want to help the Jewish people,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that principle can be lifted from that passage. And if
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  Speaker 1: it's in the future, which I believe it is, the
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  Speaker 1: principle can be applied today to gentile Christians who love God,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: they love the Bible. And if you love God, if
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: you love the Bible, you love God. And if you
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  Speaker 1: love the Bible, you love God, you love Israel. Because
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  Speaker 1: that's all throughout the pages of the Bible. So why
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  Speaker 1: not have Christians today, and I call them the new
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  Speaker 1: righteous among the nations. Why don't have Christians look at
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  Speaker 1: what they can do to come to the rescue of
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  Speaker 1: Jewish people today, because that's where we are, believe in
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  Speaker 1: the history of our society.
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  Speaker 2: We could use that principle that Jesus is making a
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  Speaker 2: determination again. These people aren't saved by their works, They're
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  Speaker 2: saved by faith. But this is the fruit of their faith.
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  Speaker 2: But we could say that the principle there is anything
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  Speaker 2: pre second coming, right before his anything before his second cummy,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: he puts his feet on the ground. And so that
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: principle certainly would apply to any time at all before
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  Speaker 2: his second comry, including the tributation, which would which would
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  Speaker 2: be the context. But anytime before, any time before.
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  Speaker 1: But in light of October seventh, yep, now more than ever.
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  Speaker 2: Now more than ever. So so let's let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: the Also we talked earlier, Right now we're seeing people
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  Speaker 2: in America even again of crazy realizing that.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I read several articles recently where there was some very
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  Speaker 2: prominent Jewish businessmen that we're feeling that I might sell
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  Speaker 2: everything and move to Israel because even in my local community,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not feeling safe. I mean, you think about living
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: in Detroit or some of these other places where these
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: places are. So what what right now if you a
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Jewish or a righteous gentile, what can they do right now?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: We talked earlier about potential for being part of a
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: list or whatever, talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: So so right now there is a Christians have to
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  Speaker 1: ask themselves. They have to examine their hearts and if
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  Speaker 1: they find themselves in a place where they go, I
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: want to do something for the Jewish people. And then
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you can send money to Israel. There there's different different ways.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So you can make donations to help with the war effort.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And that's good, that that shouldn't stop. But we have
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: seven million Jews in America. That's half of the Jewish
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: population of the world. Okay, And I don't see this
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: wave of anti Semitism decreasing. I see it increasing because
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: of all those reasons why they're not being punished or
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: they're being emboldened and empowered. And so Christians are going
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to have a chance to and it sounds a little judgmental,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: but to redeem their ancestors who during the Second World
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: War were bystanders who you know, I always say a
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: bystander only facilitates the work of a perpetrator. If you're
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a buy start, if you don't do anything, whoever does
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: something bad, you basically you're encouraging them. You have to
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: speak up, you have to you know, silence is complicity.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: So so Christians are going to have a chance to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: to do something and do what Well, we're at the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: place where you might consider opening your home or if
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you live on a large property with a you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: a barn that's made into an office when you can
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: put beds or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: So so I.
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  Speaker 1: I can connect uh Christians who are interested in helping
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: that way to a network that's been growing. And basically
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: if people email me at Olivier Melnick number four Truth
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Olivier Melnick, maybe spell it for people,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: because this is audio, a lot of people are doing this. Okay,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: so it's it's my first Oliver. You got that right,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: You got that right. You know. The only person who
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: has a lot to Goby Oliver, you know that is
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: is Arnold Frickton, you know, as a joke and you
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: know that's you know, you don't mess with Arnold exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So spell it, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's O. L I v I E R Melnick M
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  Speaker 1: E L N I c K number four truth at
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  Speaker 1: gmail dot com, Olivier Melnick for truth at gmail dot com.
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  Speaker 1: You email me and I will put you in touch
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: with that network. You will be receiving some instructions and
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you'll be asked some questions and basically, you know, we
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: ask people questions of the network, asks questions like are
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you a doctor, are you are you a lawyer? Are
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you dot you drive a truck, do you fly a plane?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: You have property and so and and they're put in
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: different states. So now that network is able to help
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Jewish people in an area and put them somewhere for
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: a night, a day, a week, we don't know. And
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I pray that we never have to to get to
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that place. But I don't. I don't think it's a reality.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, with uh And And you know, it's interesting
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: because some of the things that we're seeing going on
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: now as relates to the state of Israel, it's Kumbayah
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  Speaker 2: is not coming, you know, in the sense of it.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I'll just peace, you know, Jesus is well, we know
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: it will come with Jesus here. But what I'm saying next.
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  Speaker 1: Kumbaya is going to be the Antichrist. It's a fake.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: So the this this idea that Israel is currently surrounded
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: by enemies that they until they're eliminated or or or
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: subjugated in some ways, they're not going to stop. And
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: so the fact is they're going to continue their attacks,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and which means Israel's going to have to continue to
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: respond appropriately, which is en is going to create again
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: all this this the ramifications out there amongst the world
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that are going to use those double standards call for
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: cease fire when people are getting murdered. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: envision I envisioned this, as you just said, getting far worse.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Because we're as we're entering the end times, anti Semitism
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: will increase because we know that it's full blown during
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the tribulation.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, it can only it could continue to increase, absolutely,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and they might be there probably will be some respite
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the tribulation when the anti Christ,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you know, Daniel nine twenty seven, when he signs a
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  Speaker 1: peace treaty with Israel, which incidentally, and I don't know
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: where you when you you fit on this, this is
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: where I see a gog and magogue between the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the Tribulation and the abomination of desolation. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you have a different view on that problem.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: It's a different it's a different topic altogether.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Go down. Yeah, we never less, but we, like you said,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: there's no doubt the Antichrist is in covenant with them, right,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and so they have his support.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: It's a covenant of peace. So so Israel is going
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to feel at peace for a while. So so it
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: might even be that anti Semitism might be punished in
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a in a in a very big way. Uh. And
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and then Israel's going to go like, oh, this is it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe this guy is the Messiah. He's not claiming to
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: be the Messiah, but but maybe they're going to think that.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: And then of course have tribulation, all hell breaks loose.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: So let's let's wrap it up here in the sense of,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of before we were talking where where's
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: where's the gospel? And all this, I mean the just
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: specifically what is the gospel? And then how how do
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you you know the average church person who embraces the gospel.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: We want to we want to leave them with hope. Well,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: also want to leave them with truth. Maybe somebody's been
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: listening to this and going, well, I don't want what
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: do they mean by gospel?
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, one one big misconception that we
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: have that people have in many churches is that the
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Jewish people, by virtue of being Jewish, are safe. There
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: are God's people, there are God's the apple of God's eyes,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the chosen people, and there's a lot of good things
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: said about Israel. So people say, well, I'm not gonna worry.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bother sharing the Gospel with the Jewish people,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: because hey, at the end, all Israel will be saved
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Romans eleven. And but this is really speaking of the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: end of the tribulation. Any Jews die with who dies
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: without the good news of You sue Us. Death and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: resurrection for them is bound for like a fire for eternity.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So so the Jewish people, just like the Palestinian, just
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: like Hamas, just like you and I did, need Yeshua.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: They need Jesus. And so the Gospel is the same
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: for everybody. If the Jews were in by virtue of
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: being Jewish, then we wouldn't have that passage in John
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  Speaker 1: three of you know, between Nicodemus and.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yashua, who you know must be born again.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Nicodemus is like super Jew.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: He is that you know, he's like you know, he's
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the teacher, is the.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Teacher of Israel. He's a Pharisee senator, and he's done
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: it all. And Jesus says, well, that's just not enough.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: You got to be born again. So all people need
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: to be born again, including Jewish people. So my people
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: need need the Gospel. What what I've been doing since
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I've been a believer for forty years is is uh
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you know, is trying to help my people understand that
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeshua is Jesus, Yashua is the Messiah of Israel. And actually,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: if you look in the Bible, all the prophecies of
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: the Old Testament, of the Tana, the Jewish Bible, they
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: all point to only one possible outcome, one possible person,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: issue of Nazareth. So I chow leunge my Jewish people
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to look at all the prophecies that talk about a
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: redeemer or a savior, because they all paint the picture
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: not by name, but by ministry. They paint the picture
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: of your shoe are the Messiah? And and what did
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: he do for you that he did for me that
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: he can do for them, is that he gave. He
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: was without sin, he gave his own life. He died
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: on the cross, and he rose again, and he's going
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: to return. And all we have to do is to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: believe that he did it on your behalf, on my behalf.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Just believe that he died for your sins. It's a
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: free gift. There's nothing to do you know. That's when
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I remember when my the young girl who became my wife,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: led me to the Lord. You know, she told me,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: she said, you don't have anything to do. You just
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: have to believe that he received the free gift of salvation,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: and and and and I did. And that's all. There's
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: no you don't have to be in a church building,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you don't have to be giving a donation somewhere. You
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: don't have to cut your right arm or your left leg.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: You just have to believe that you shure Jesus died
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: for your since the innocent for the guilty, and because
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of that, by his bloodshed on the cross, we can
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: accept that free gift and be saved and spend a
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: journey with God.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here we are. And the fact of
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: the matter is, and if somebody has truly put their
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: faith and trust in the Jewish Jesus as Xavior and Lord,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: then the fruit of that is going to be again
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: recognizing that God's covenant with him. Again. They still need
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to be saved through him, and we know that's going
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: to happen. But in the meantime we should be approaching
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: it from a theological and biblically accurate perspective, which means again,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: even if we didn't have that, we would still be
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: against any sort of racism in general, right, and that's
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: the right thing to do.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: People of good will.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people of good will. So anyways, well, I encourage
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: everybody get Olivier's book, The Normalization of Anti Semitism. Again,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I would even encourage you to use it as a
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Bible study. This is not going away. And what you've
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: done here is helpful because you not only shared the challenge,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: but you gave this and that's what we're working to
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to yes and yeah, well, thank you Olivia,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: thanks for being here, and thanks for listening today to
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: the Prophecy Watchers podcast, and as always, coouraged you to
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: continue to pray for us. We cannot be here without prayer.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: We know that God has to be at the center
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: of everything we're doing, and prayer is the most important.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Also another reminder, Orlando Prophecy Summit dot Com. Come join
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: us in Orlando February twenty ninth, March first that that weekend.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: And thanks for listening, see you next time.
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  Speaker 1: Show them hull em