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Fraud Friday: The Club Hopping Con Artist W/ Patrick Hinds & Gillian Pensavalle · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's poppin Congregation? Is your girl? Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of.
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  Speaker 2: Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam
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  Speaker 2: Goddess Baalt. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring
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  Speaker 2: back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this
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  Speaker 2: episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay.
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  Speaker 1: Scheming, scam, come robbery and froll scam, Come robb and
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  Speaker 1: froll Scam Goddess. What is poppin Congregation? Is your girl?
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  Speaker 2: Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess here with another installment of
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  Speaker 2: Scam Goddess, the show that celebrates robbery, fraud, boondockling, bamboozolan hood, winken.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all know we love it all for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes people are asty, guys. I'm so excited for today's guests.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I said it. I said it before
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  Speaker 2: you did. Oh my god, I'm so what. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is the cheat sheet y'all got the cheat sheet now
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  Speaker 2: college admission version like where everybody's cheating.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, excited, I'm thrilled, I'm hype.
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  Speaker 2: Dare I say for these guests and you know, congregations
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  Speaker 2: that's because.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all have been bullying me.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all have been tweeting me, texting me hello, Hey, bitch,
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  Speaker 2: can you get these guests on that we asked for?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know who empowered you to be
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  Speaker 2: this demand, and I guess it's me, but I listened
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  Speaker 2: to y'all because y'all are right most of the time.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: Today we have the creators and co hosts of the
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  Speaker 2: True Crime Obsessed podcast, Patrick Hines and Jillian Pennsylvali. On
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  Speaker 2: their show, they hilariously recap your favorite true crime documentaries now.
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  Speaker 3: Patrick is the founder of the.
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  Speaker 2: Obsessed Network, which I know you girls are obsessed because
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  Speaker 2: y'all would not stop telling me to get them on
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  Speaker 2: this show. Also, Jillian created the hamil Cast, a Hamilton podcast,
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  Speaker 2: So if you want all things in the Linn Manuelma, Randa, Hamilton,
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  Speaker 2: you know verse, please.
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  Speaker 1: Check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Congregation, please welcome Patrick and Jillian to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Macy, can you I will pay you? Can you be
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  Speaker 4: my alarm clock? I need this kind of energy?
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  Speaker 1: You scams?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, Lacy in real life is like the greatest. It's
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  Speaker 5: like it's the best thing to happen in my day.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they flowers when they hear Hanny give you
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  Speaker 3: yo you and why.
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  Speaker 1: Ye believe it?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm trying to go to my own funeral so
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  Speaker 3: I can see what's pappen.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Yes, yes, of course.
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  Speaker 5: It would be the ultimate episode of scam God is
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  Speaker 5: if you scammed everybody in your life and faked your
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  Speaker 5: own death.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I have to say I don't appreciate the bullying.
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  Speaker 1: We don't.
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  Speaker 4: We don't condone any of that. Everybody be nice, especially
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  Speaker 4: to Lacey.
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  Speaker 2: Of all people, friendly bullies, they're friendly bullies for the
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  Speaker 2: most part.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have to tell you.
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  Speaker 4: My best friend Ashley is like beside herself that I'm here.
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  Speaker 4: We're all very big fans, but Ashley's like, tell her
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  Speaker 4: I love her.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a member of the congregation. So this is obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with you.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Ashley, look at you scamming me getting free shoutouts
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  Speaker 2: for your friends. As usually also has a small business,
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  Speaker 2: but she selles candles.
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  Speaker 1: She's school teacher.
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  Speaker 6: I want to be a member of the congres gay.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there's there's a segment for that. We do love,
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  Speaker 2: we do love our gays. But I'm so happy you
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  Speaker 2: guys are here, Like I was saying to y'all before
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  Speaker 2: we started the podcast. It was so funny because people
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  Speaker 2: were tweeting at us, and then I'd tell Patrick like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yea, I'd love for you to come on the
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  Speaker 2: show on Twitter. And then I felt so bad because
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  Speaker 2: y'all dms me a video and.
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  Speaker 1: It was so cute.
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  Speaker 2: But I did not check my dms like that on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: And guys, if you DM me on my scam gouttes page,
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  Speaker 2: I will try to respond to me as I can.
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  Speaker 2: I try to repost over there if you dm my
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  Speaker 2: personal page and I want to respond. I'm just letting
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  Speaker 2: y'all know, like, please, don't be opening the floodgates, because
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  Speaker 2: every time I repost something on my main page, people
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh righty now, sis, let's start in the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: God created the heaven in the earth. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: had sandwich today. I maybe hit me up every single day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, I'm not trying to hide y'all or
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  Speaker 2: like block it, like I want to talk to y'all,
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  Speaker 2: but like it can't be every day now, Like when
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  Speaker 2: I open the door, you can't be like, okay, so
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  Speaker 2: we could.
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  Speaker 1: It's big, like you know, like, just take the reposts,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, come.
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  Speaker 5: On at but that doesn't apply to me, right, You
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  Speaker 5: and I are officially best friends now.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you can see me videos anytime you want
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  Speaker 2: send a video back.
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  Speaker 1: I was just late, and I feel bad.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna say, lady, you have to tell the listeners
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  Speaker 4: that you responded, because it just makes us.
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  Speaker 2: I never responded, and I was like, what the hell
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  Speaker 2: are they doing on the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: Guys, Jesus book to them?
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  Speaker 6: Who booked them?
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, we were as soon as we said
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  Speaker 5: that video, I was I was just assuming you were
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  Speaker 5: just waiting by your phone to receive a video message
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  Speaker 5: from us. So I was like refreshing every thirty seconds.
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  Speaker 5: And then after like two days of that, I was like,
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  Speaker 5: oh god, we blew it. Oh god, we had a
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  Speaker 5: chance to be friends and we blow it.
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  Speaker 4: We were coming to terms with it. We were like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's over. We level jumped, it's fine. We totally get it.
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  Speaker 1: We're not for everyone, and we totally understand.
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  Speaker 4: At the minute, we really were okay with that and
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  Speaker 4: in peace with that.
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  Speaker 1: You came along and saved the day.
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  Speaker 2: Damn.
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  Speaker 3: I love the relatif bod y'all I love it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you send a fun boy text and you're like.
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  Speaker 1: Damn it.
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  Speaker 2: He can respond, Oh my god, Okay, maybe he got
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  Speaker 2: hit by a bus, like it's cool, it's cool. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: maybe he got t mobile like maybe it didn't go in,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I don't know, like I cert And
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  Speaker 2: that's start rationalizing, and then I get to the pot.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I hate him anyway. I hate her, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, I didn't even like her. I can't even
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  Speaker 2: believe I did that shit if she responded to me
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  Speaker 2: like I'm about to text again and be like, oops,
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't for you.
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  Speaker 6: My other friend, Lacy, we sent it to you by accident. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I love this for us.
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  Speaker 2: So I do have to ask you, guys, what is
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  Speaker 2: your relationship with scams?
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  Speaker 1: Like have you been scammed?
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  Speaker 2: Do you love them? Do you hate them? Do you
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  Speaker 2: like scammers? Like how do you feel it could be?
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  Speaker 2: Anything you can tell me about a scam?
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  Speaker 1: Anything? Oh I got my identity stolen? Oh okay, cute,
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  Speaker 1: super cute.
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  Speaker 4: I was like a single, twenty two to twenty three
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  Speaker 4: year old living here in New York City, born and raised.
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  Speaker 4: But I started getting all these bills in the mail
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  Speaker 4: from like baby Gap and the Children's Place. Now, I
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  Speaker 4: am not a mother by choice. I don't want kids,
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  Speaker 4: not into it. So I was like right, like and
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  Speaker 4: I was like a single twenty two year old, So
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  Speaker 4: I'm getting these bills in the mail from the Children's
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  Speaker 4: Place and all of these like children's stores for like
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  Speaker 4: this is a one thousand percentury story. And they used
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  Speaker 4: my social security number and they went in personally because
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  Speaker 4: they were like on the video so in the on
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  Speaker 4: the surveillance camera, they went into these stores and opened
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  Speaker 4: credit cards in my name in these stores and chase
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  Speaker 4: my bank. I was like, I gotta tell you, I
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  Speaker 4: knew exactly where like the dates I had alibis for them.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I was at this part now it
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  Speaker 1: was at this show.
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  Speaker 6: Like that wasn't me.
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  Speaker 1: But I was also like, shit with today's newspaper, right,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what chase down?
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  Speaker 4: But that my real alibi was just myself because I
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  Speaker 4: was like single twenty two, don't want kids, never will,
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  Speaker 4: don't try to change my mind. And they were like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you totally did not go to the Children's Place in
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  Speaker 4: New Jersey and at the mall and spend like eight
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  Speaker 4: hundred dollars, so.
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  Speaker 1: They're randy them.
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  Speaker 2: I love that they also went to bougie ass places
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  Speaker 2: for their kids.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously this must be a parent. I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: now that we got the coins, let's go to Oshkosh Bagosh.
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  Speaker 3: Like right, y'all couldn't go down to the good Will.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all couldn't go to what's that?
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  Speaker 2: Uh uh aero puss now the bootleg em Like, y'all
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  Speaker 2: gotta go to the good shit.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, you want a baby boucci and we gain.
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  Speaker 3: We get little stef on some loafers, like.
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  Speaker 1: What little stuff?
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  Speaker 6: Oh my god. I have never been scammed, and I
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  Speaker 6: am so dumb.
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  Speaker 5: I really can't believe that I've never been scammed. But
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  Speaker 5: I would really like, I would relish the opportunity to
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  Speaker 5: hire a private investigator. I want a reason to hire
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  Speaker 5: a PI and really like find out some shit about somebody.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm an excellent googler. I will I care
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  Speaker 1: for you. Kadrick.
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  Speaker 2: You could say you have a miss scam. But if
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  Speaker 2: I'm correct, you do date men? Correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Married?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So you want that men are escape now gay as but.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, or a little more.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, especially when it comes to like
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  Speaker 5: attributes that people say that they have on the but
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  Speaker 5: like I gotta tell you, Jillian can vouch me. My
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  Speaker 5: husband Steve, who by the way, is a huge fan
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  Speaker 5: of yours. He was the one that like a while ago,
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  Speaker 5: was like you gotta check out scam gotta Steve is
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  Speaker 5: obsessed with you. My husband is the most like like,
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  Speaker 5: he's the least scammy scammer person possible. Somehow I ended
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  Speaker 5: up with a very like just honest to goodness good person.
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  Speaker 1: Well, also, if you have a seven year old and
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  Speaker 1: Daisy scams you on the daily, because she will, she
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  Speaker 1: will throw a tantrum and then the minute she gets
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  Speaker 1: what she wants, it's all puppies of rainbows.
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  Speaker 5: So she's daily She is a totalage, especially when it
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  Speaker 5: comes to washing her hair. That's the biggest scam like.
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  Speaker 5: She will literally like I guess I happened, scam Lacy.
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  Speaker 2: When yeah, you actually come out, they're unemployed, They take
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  Speaker 2: your things. They literally come into the world booty naked,
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they have a room and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's from the children's place, furnished from the children's place.
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  Speaker 5: She hates washing her hair so much that when I
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  Speaker 5: leave the bathroom. She will put actual shampoo in the water,
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  Speaker 5: and then when I like, and then and do that
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  Speaker 5: like the thing with their hands to make it bubbly.
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  Speaker 6: And then I'll come back in and she'll pretend that
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  Speaker 6: she washed her hair.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like you're not gonna notice, Like you can't tell
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  Speaker 2: when hair is unwashed.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, like, there's an age range.
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  Speaker 2: I think it is like seven eight where I distinctly remember,
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  Speaker 2: like I didn't want to get in the shower and.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember.
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  Speaker 2: I will run the shower water and one time I
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  Speaker 2: felt I was a little bit of a It was
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  Speaker 2: just seven and a. Guys, I'm clean, I washed my legs.
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  Speaker 2: I'm black, Okay, I have a dry brush, I have
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  Speaker 2: several different soaps for all of my different orifices.
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  Speaker 1: Don't try to okay.
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  Speaker 2: I have a black mama who I would get in
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  Speaker 2: trouble if I smelled like outside Like she did not
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  Speaker 2: play that shit. So if I was musty after I
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  Speaker 2: came off for school, she was like, oh, why are
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  Speaker 2: you musty? I would get in trouble. She'd be like,
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  Speaker 2: go to your room. I can't believe you came in
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  Speaker 2: here stinking after playing out on the playground. This is
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  Speaker 2: I'm so upset with you, Like black Mama's gonna play
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  Speaker 2: that shit.
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  Speaker 3: They'll smell all up.
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  Speaker 1: Under your arms.
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  Speaker 2: I know you ain't watched today. You just put some
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  Speaker 2: deodorant over the other deodorant, I'll kill you. Like so
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  Speaker 2: one time I went into the bathroom and I turned
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  Speaker 2: the water on like I was showering, and then I
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  Speaker 2: sat on the toilet.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me why I fell asleep on the toilet.
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  Speaker 1: My father came in because obviously I've been in the
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  Speaker 1: shower for too long. She was like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 1: a little bit dad in here. So she comes in
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  Speaker 1: and she sees me asleep on the toilet. I got
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  Speaker 1: in so much trouble, but I really feel like she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to laugh. It's like, what the fuck did I
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  Speaker 1: was just like knocked out.
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  Speaker 4: Like I tried to do the when I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sick, I can't go to school today. I tried
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  Speaker 4: to do the thing where you put the thermometer to
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  Speaker 4: the lamp and it would say that you.
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  Speaker 1: Had like one hundred and two fever, but it didn't change.
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  Speaker 4: It was ninety eight point six and I was like
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  Speaker 4: put pressing it onto the light bulb and it never
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  Speaker 4: changed temperature, and I was like, fuck, I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna get too hot, and she was gonna
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  Speaker 2: come in and be like, you.
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  Speaker 1: Was five hundred degrees are you like shipped off to
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  Speaker 1: the hospital. But no, it just didn't work at all.
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  Speaker 1: So that's bullshit. Nice a lot movies. You taught me nothing,
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  Speaker 1: you guys.
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  Speaker 5: I was such a good nerdy kid, like I just
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  Speaker 5: never broke a rule in my life. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 5: I live in fear of getting yelled at. Like I
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  Speaker 5: just remember, like when we would be in math class
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  Speaker 5: and the kids would be like messing around too much,
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  Speaker 5: like she's gonna yell just stop it, like she's gonna
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  Speaker 5: yell stop it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, and I got suspended because I plagiarized
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  Speaker 4: to paper in high school. So and the only reason
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  Speaker 4: they caught me is because this other person who's like
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  Speaker 4: an absolute piece of shit, different podcast time and place,
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  Speaker 4: he plagiarized the same paper, Dann, So we got caught,
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  Speaker 4: but I was diagnosed ADHD. So I was being scammed
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  Speaker 4: myself by.
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  Speaker 2: My suspension is a little extra, Like, clearly, if you
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  Speaker 2: are stealing papers, you need education. So I just feel
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  Speaker 2: like maybe like im school suspension. I agree, they're giving
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  Speaker 2: you consequences because in college you can get kicked out
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  Speaker 2: of school for that shit. But it's like that's a
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  Speaker 2: little extra, like look, obviously need helped we learn, and
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: how you.
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  Speaker 4: Go say, I'm in my home and so I was.
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  Speaker 4: I was on student government. This is so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: I was Ashley was actually the president, and I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was female. I was female.
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  Speaker 4: Social representative asked me what I planned the dances or
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  Speaker 4: I was too Because this happened very early on, I
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  Speaker 4: got kicked off student government. They then really made an
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  Speaker 4: example out of me. But my boyfriend at the time
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  Speaker 4: tried to make it. He wanted to make flyers and
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  Speaker 4: it was like a witch hunt and I was like, dude,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't like I lied on this paper, Like don't
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  Speaker 4: act like they're coming for me, Like they're coming for
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  Speaker 4: me hard.
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  Speaker 1: But I cheated, so like I'm in a little too hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, who wouldn't really known you had cheated other
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  Speaker 2: than the administrators, Like we could catch discush out like
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  Speaker 2: I'm a real president.
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  Speaker 6: Sweet this I'm the guy.
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  Speaker 4: And the teacher who was like in charge of student
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  Speaker 4: government literally fought they were. They were like, we had
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  Speaker 4: to count the votes for the other girl just to
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  Speaker 4: prove I wanted a landslide, and so they were like
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  Speaker 4: we kind of would love to have her. Like can
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  Speaker 4: you like it's a punishment enough to be on student
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  Speaker 4: government you have to go to the stupid meetings like.
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  Speaker 3: You doing his work and so other people can have
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  Speaker 3: fun like that was like I was.
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  Speaker 4: Like, Okay, I'll stay home from school for two days
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  Speaker 4: and then I don't have to go to your stupid meetings,
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  Speaker 4: have fun at your lame dances, you losers.
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  Speaker 5: Right, No, can we fume in on the boyfriend who
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  Speaker 5: wanted to make flyers about it being a witch huse?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I did it.
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  Speaker 6: I don't tell you.
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  Speaker 3: You should still be with him because he was down
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  Speaker 3: for you. He was like, uh, I'm going to fix
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  Speaker 3: can go right now?
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  Speaker 1: Girl? Damn? Like look, this is an ingustice.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah I know.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, yeah, my husband now is the
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  Speaker 4: greatest guy ever. But yeah, yeah he had my back
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  Speaker 4: that dude in high school.
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  Speaker 5: You know we're gonna do We're gonna make flyers and
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: we're gonna hand them out.
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: This is a witch hu.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, can you not make this worse. Please prod. Look,
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: he was trying to get you some social mobility.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: This was before Twitter, I'm guessing, so like, you know,
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: he couldn't get on Twitter and help you out and
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: get you know, be like Twitter do your things.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: So he was like one person Twitter. He was like,
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get the word out.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: I'm lady.
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. It
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: was before Twitter.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I think yes, I am actually nineteen years old. Thank
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: you so much. That is very kind. Scared god.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: But let's get into it. Our first segment here, what's
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: hot and fraud.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: This is where we weren't listeners about scams that are
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: popping on the streets, but more often not these days.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: We get a letter from you guys, as always snitch
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: on your family, friends and family at scam got uspot
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Just make sure your scam is
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: retired because we don't want to what fuck up your bag?
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: Amen?
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we have a letter. I need a fake
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: name from one of you guys. We don't care about gender. Brenda,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Brenda Brenda's gotta baby.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: It's actually Brenda's Shardonay. She goes by her first and
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: last name.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Right, Brenda Shardonnay love that for her clam.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Middle name is buttery. Oh yes, Brenda Buttery, Okay.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: I do occasionally I do love a buttery shardenay, like
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: with a fish, like a dessert.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: No figure scam on earth than butter.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: But I go away.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Your taste warm. You can have ten ice cubes in it.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: It always feels and tastes warm. I don't get it.
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: It's my favorite. I want it. I want I want
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: it twenty four hours a.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Day every now and then. Because I'm a steel barrel
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: girl myself. Oh yeah, yeah, my bougieness because I actually
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: will ask people where wines are from my restaurants, and
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I actually know what that means taste wise.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I don't even do it to be bougie.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I used to wait tables, but I do have like
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: a dick when I'm like, where's it from? Or Also, oysters,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I do not eat oat kutamon oysters, oysters from Washington,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: oysters from Hawaii.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: I'm an East Coast oysters girl and a Seattle oyster.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah well Washington you, but I like I like the
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: give me like the the like the oysters from.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: The Cape Cod Yeah, I can fuck with those soup.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: But them big ass oysters. If there's somebody's like, we
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: got dollar oysters, but I'm not eating that Okay, No
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: that oyster. That oyster is literally like getting biodiesel fuel
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: in it every day. Like y if you watching them
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: oysters with don like the ducks because like them moistures
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: just nasty.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, it's all about the sausage anyway. Like give me
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: the horse ride ash and the Mignonette.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Champagne Minionaip, Yeah, Champagne minionatte limit horse red.
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: Is it too late to change the ladies name to
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: Champagne Minionatte.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. No Champagne Minionette.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Love it, love it so Champagne Minuet says, you know
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I love you, girl.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I guess I do.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Champagne big fan of the pot. I'm here for a
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: submition for what's hot and front, all right. I live
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: in Vancouver, Canada. Today, I'm pretty sure I was scammed
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: by my dentists, and I'm not sure how to feel
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: about it. Here's how it went. So I went to
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: see my dentist for a routine checkup. I flys every day.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I go to regular appointments every six months like most folks.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, come on mouth what you never have a clean
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: ass mouth? She said, hoppy in my mouth?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Every day I put tied in it game for breeze,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I put fabrics offt on it in my mouth.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: The bitch is clean, Okay.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: I love it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: So Usually a regular cleaning and exam takes more no
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: more than an hour, and I was able to get
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: everything done X rays, exams, cleaning, fluoride, et cetera.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: But today something strange happened.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Oohol for a piece of change.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: My digital hygienist was doing her thing and she finished
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: cleaning the bottom half of my teeth, and she moved
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: onto the top half. She cleaned maybe three of my
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: top teeth and decided to call it quits. She told
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: me I have to come back for another appointment the
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: next week to finish the top half. She was also
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: emphasizing that visiting every six months is not enough and
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: told me that everyone should visit the dentists every three
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: months for a cleaning.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna stop there.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I do have friends who go every three months, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna start going every three months because
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I was trifling. I will share I think I might
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: have already shared this, so I'm not gonna get to
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it and deep into it.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: But I can't remember.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: But I got a new dentist, and obviously when the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: pandemic happened, I was not trying to have my mouth
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: open in front of strangers.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: That just felt very dangerous.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I've never gotten COVID, knock on wood, and if I
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: get COVID, like they'll be like, hey girl, jobs.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Like don't go.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like if I got COVID, because I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: get tested every day at work, they throw a bag
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: over my head and throw me into a vein, you.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Know, get out of here.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I get that nasty bit chat of hair, like you
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: know yeah, And so I understood, like I didn't want
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to go. So then when COVID kind of like I
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: got vaccinated, everything was getting a little bit more chill.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, let me set to these dental
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: plumbs because your girl's down bad.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I had one tooth that was hurting real bad.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I had one tooth that like, if I ate anything
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: sweet and I didn't brush right after, it would be
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: like hey girl, like.
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: Just like hey girl, hey y'all, it's me.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Your nerves.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: Have such bad. I have terrible teeth.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: I've had the worst like teeth problems my whole entire life.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: But when I was like younger and I didn't have
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: health insurance, I had one tooth that hurts so bad.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: I was literally grinding up like advil and rubbing it
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: directly onto the tooth that bad. Yeah it did, I
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: mean like it worked, but it made it worse because then,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: like you, I didn't get I like couldn't afford the
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: root canal or whatever, and then so like it just
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: keeps getting worse and worse worse, until I ended up
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: in the emergency room at Bellevue. The Bellevue Hospital in
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: New York, they have like an emergency dental area, And
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: I'll never forget the dentist numbing my mouth, putting his
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: foot up on the chair and ripping the tooth out
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: of my mouth, and hearing all of the cracking and
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: breaking he had embraced his foot on the chair to
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: rip the tooth. I feel, I know, I know, I'll
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: tell you it didn't hurt though, Like he did a
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: good job. He numbed me up and it didn't hurt.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: But like just the hearing of that sound. Oh, I'll
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: never forget it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: And I asked you what year this was, because I
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: lived across the street. I used to live on twenty ninth.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: At first, I mean, it would have been fifteen years ago.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: So I can't do that, belfew.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Because that just as though that was giving like.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: It's like the dentist from a little shop of hers, what
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the hell racing himself? He got one leg on the wall,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: he got one, and then he got on.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I can picture it, I can
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: see it.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: Oh God, God.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: She did not like you guys the Jaws A life
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: basic accident.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: But then years later I went to a fancy dentist
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: for another procedure and she gave me that the laughing
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: gas that they give you, and she gave me so much.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I was so fucked up, and I remember my eyes
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: were closed and I felt myself starting to like drift away,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: because you know, you don't go to sleep with that
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: that just like makes you happy. And I remember being
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: so fucked up on laughing gas and saying the words,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: I have to stay alive for Daisy.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: I have to stay alive. That's my daughter.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: No, you're not supposed to be seeing God when you
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: go to the dinners.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Be like, hey, sous is that you and you're not
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: supposed to see him when you go to dinner, but
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: fancy that. Just Sometimes they'll run it up if they're like,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: oh you got insurance, okay, bitch, so we actually gonna
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: give you some anesthesia and some laughing gas and we're
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: gonna numb the area, and also like would you like
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: a boob job?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: And it's like, hey, y'all do that?
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: No ship like what and I'm like yes to all.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And they said pity o.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: And put the skate ski mask on. It was like
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: run it up.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I do want to say, though, a little scam, which okay,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: only if you're in dire straints.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: Guys.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: If there's universities schools dental schools in your area, you
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: can sign up and should do it preemptively to have
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: dentists who are in dds school and they'll clean your
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: teeth for you. They'll like fix, they'll do root canals
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: for free, all the stuff for free. Sometimes it's like
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a menial charge that they'll charge, but it's way way
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: way cheaper. If you do not have insurance to go
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to look up your local colleges try to find the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: abyss one though, and why are you dental school?
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: They have that here in New York.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I never heard of doing that for haircuts, and that's
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: hairy enough.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But like a dentist.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: The last time I had like a big dental thing,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: it was my wisdom teeth getting taken out a thousand
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: years ago, and they were like impacted and upside down
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: and all this crazy stuff.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But they like they knocked me out. So there's like
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a needle in my arm for the anesthesia.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: And apparently when when kids are like teenagers, this is
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: a thing that happened, or maybe this was yet another
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: scam and I didn't realize it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I woke up with track marks all over my.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Arm because the dentist was like, oh, yeah, yeah, people
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: your age, when they're under they rip out like without
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: like unconsciously rip out the needles in the arm. I
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: got that this happened when I was I was incredibly
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: underweight at the time, like scary skinny in the middle
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: of the summer, So no long sleeves walking around with
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: track marks on bobs because of my fucking with some teeth.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: Now wait a.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Minute, both your arms they had needles in both your arms.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Well, because I kept ripping it out, and so they
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: would try the other arm and then I would rip
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: it out like as I was under, And I'm like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: is this real?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Or could you just not find a vein? Like what's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: happening here? I feel like somebody couldn't find a vein?
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Bro.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I really feel like I will say this about dentistry,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and if you're a DDS, like, I'm so sorry, because
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you know, i'd be shady towards y'all. I swear to god,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: they'd be letting anybody have a DDS. You gotta look
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: at reviews. You really gotta check because it'd be people
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: in here just drilling on your nerve like Bob the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Builder having I was crying and Combulston in the chair.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I swear to god, I'm gonna find that dentist. I'm
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: gonna ruin her. I don't remember her name, but I
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: will ruin her one day, because let's say that fuck me.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: It's like dentists. She's serious.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: If you if you're the Airbnb of dentist, She's never
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: gonna forget that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: She's never gonna forget.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: So Champagne minion Net says, you know the cleaning stopped abruptly.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: They did four teeth on the.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Top, and was like, I I'm good so knowing that
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: she's not going to finish the cleaning my teeth like
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: this appointment, I made an appointment to come back the
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: next week. When I saw the bill, I saw that
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: they charged me two full price cleanings. Like, hello, you
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: did half the job and expect me to pay for
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the whole thing and come back twice as often. I'm
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: pretty sure she was scamming at this point. What kind
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of hygienis would only do half of your teeth for
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: an appointment and then ask you to come back for
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the other half, then charge you double the price for
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the job. I hope this had I hope y'all have
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: more of a backbone than me. Tell your hygienis no,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I will have all my teeth cleaned and one appointment. Please,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: yes this I feel like because of the pandemic, Dennis
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: got hit hard.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, because it's like an open mouth thing.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: People are like, I'm not going to open my mouth
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: up to y'all and get her sauce all in my
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: mouth and my.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Thought and whatnot. I don't want your murders pray in
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: my mouth, get.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Out of here, right, It's like it's like facials and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: like things that were like that, Like I see that
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: they probably were down bad.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously this person was.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Like because here's the thing, it would be different because
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I did get half of my mouth cleaned and one
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: tooth extracted, and I had.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: To go back for the other half.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: To be deep cleaned and then teeth because they're really
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: not doing the whole. We take out all of your
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: wisdom teeth anymore at once because they push you down
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: for a while and I have to work, So I
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: get that. But if you numbed me top and bottom
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and then you just cleaned a little bit of the top,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: like that's a scam.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that isn't real.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: That is Champagne's problems, right, come on, sorry is it?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like, obviously this person is using insurance,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: and normally even good insurance, they're gonna give you like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: one cleaning every six months, like two X rays a year,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Like you have to pay out of pocket if you
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: go every three months. It's good for your mouth.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, every three months, that sounds like a lot.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: I've never heard that.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: That's your stub on it I to do it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And the thing is is like it'll prevent you from
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: getting cavities a lot. Like if you have a good
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: routine and you go every three months, it'll prevent like
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: some bad shit from popping off in your mouth.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I bet if you keep it up and
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: go every three months, the appointments aren't as long if
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: you go everything months, like it's more of an upkeep
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: kind of situation.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And I didn't go for like a year and a half,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: maybe two years. And when I went in, I tell you,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: they did the x rays and like I have like
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a nice front facing smile, but their ship going on
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: in the back there. It was like, honestly, when they start,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: like my dentists did the extra or the hygienist did
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the X rays. The dentist came in and he just started,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I only go to Dinnis in Beverly Hills because I
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: need your rent to be high enough that you can't
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: fuck me up, and that you're not. I mean I
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: came in they had but let's siaga pillows. I say, yes, okay,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: so y'all gonna do me dirty because y'all need y'all
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: coins to pay this rent.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So he was like sighing very heavily. He's like looking
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: at my X rays. He was like, oh, how did
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: it get this bad?
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: And like, oh my god, whatever.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I cried.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I cried a little bit at the Dinnis office because
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: like when I tell you, they shamed the funk out
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: of me, Like I felt like the dirtiest bitch.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I mean, it's all bullshit.
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: It's all to scare you.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: It's like fear mongering to get you to go every
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: three months.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: He was like a woman your age, like you should
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: own in your mouth right now, like you're so young,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Like what happened? Like he really, wait, yeah, I feel
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: like I was with a Yan. Look I feel like
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I was with Yalla fixed my teeth And he was
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: literally like you need to look at this photo of
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Harriet Tubman and explain why you're not flossing every day,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Like it hurt me.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: Oh my god. It's just the part where we talk
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: about a Ya love for forty five minutes.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can get back into this because people.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Oh god, I love a Yon love and sance more
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: than she love her.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Her skin is so good.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget when she had a black man who
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: had like he had like fifteen sixteen kids, and so
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: she gave him a bunch of baby dolls to hold
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and like all these different little black baby dolls, right,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and she was like, do you see do you see
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: how you cannot I can really father this many children
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: and give them love and support.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: You can't even hold all these babies.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: And then the camera pants and there's one baby face
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: down on the floor and she.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Was like, see that was that was on the grass?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Like you're a therapy? Is this?
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: You're yan love voice is really good?
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: My husband does it too, because remember when she scammed Oprah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Remember when a Yanla scammed Oprah because Oprah was trying
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: to give her a show.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Everybody's scammed Oprah a lot.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: But it was like she was like, yes, Oprah, I
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: totally want to do a show with you, while she
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: was secretly making a deal with Barbara Walters at the
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: same time.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: My Yana on a lot of scammers.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: That's why I need to meet Oprah because I'm trying.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: To get my scam onto a lot because like doctor
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: fielould just be like stop doing crack.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: And a doctor Auz feeling yeah, and doctor Oscar is
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: like not a medical doctor or whatever. Like there's something
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: about doctor Osra. Everyone's like, I don't even know if
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: he's licensed.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Right, but like if he wears scrubs, we're supposed to
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: fall for that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think exactly.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: And it's also like, bro, we had a TV show.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Why do you have on a white coat? Are you
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: about to.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: Do medicine somebody?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Right? At any moment, you're gonna do some medicine to somebody.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why you're wearing a white coat. We
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: own TV. Thankulous. A scammer, A scammer by.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: A Right, it's time for my favorite segment of the show,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: his story, Clinwick. This is where I'm gonna regale Jillian
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Patrick with a famous con caper, group of criminals, single miscreant.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: We don't know yet. Maybe we love him, maybe we
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: hate him. I have a feeling we ain't gonna like
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: this person. So today we're talking about Sean kirkhim.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: So he was a quintessential lifelong scam artist.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: I love that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: A serial entrepreneur. No, there's a life ruiner.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Damn okay.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I love that his bugshot he's giving me Instagram, Like,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: is that real?
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: He's six six and kind of hot. What's happening out up?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: No, he's hot. He's like looking up, try to be
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: all know, I hate him. It's hot. He's six y six.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: When you are out for six feet, you're automatically a
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: little bit cute.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: It don't matter what you look like.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: You know what.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I always say, ugly from within. That's it. He's ugly
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: from with them.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: And I mean he's not fine fine because they'll drag me.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes I'll say somebody cute, they're like they wasn't cut,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And another time, oh yeah, okay, I see it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I see it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Oh but he's like medium ugly and he's tall, so
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that's like gonna definitely take him over.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: The top sixt my lord, write.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: A tree, climb him like a tree.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: Yo.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: He's not as a life ruiner, which I love that.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I've met some life ruiners, like who I remember this
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: one girl in college, like she was a life ruiner.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Everybody who became friends with her ended up down bad.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Like one of her friends. She was like a hot girl.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: One of her the girls who didn't realize because we
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: was like, stay away from that bit.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: She's a life ruiner.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: She didn ended up so deep with her that somehow
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: shene got beat up by half the girls basketball team
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and a McDonald's college.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: What college in Pittsburgh?
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, where's the life ruiner? Now did she
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: peek when she was ruining everyone's lives?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And now she was real fine?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: She probably still out here ruining people's lives. And good
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: for her, you know, just moving to the next life
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to ruin. I hate that so many people are getting
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: stomped out in the McDonald's though, you know.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Like I mean by by bye bye bye batam. No,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the s nut I hate that for them. I hate
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that for them.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: That's not cool.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: No, he would take advantage of anyone around him. He
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: became most known for scandal surrounding a memorial stone project
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: commemorating missing and murdered women in British Columbia.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: However, the scam is only.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: The final chapter of the story that stretches back further
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: so his early life. So Kirkham spent much of his
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: early life with his mother in Hay River, Canada, before
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: moving to Montreal with an adopted family. At sixteen, He
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: ran away from home when his surrogate parents found out
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that he was gay.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: He's gay, Yeah, he's yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: Goddamn it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I like to say, g igh gay. He's gay.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he moved to New York City, Great place
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to go gay in nineteen ninety, where he lived on
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the streets. After several months, Kirkham found a job as
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: a busboy at Club USA, owned by New York nightlife
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: king Peter Geishen.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Shortly after Kirkham's rival, he and a bouncer robbed a
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: drug dealer by pretending to be security and taking everything
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: that he had.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Ad is this Peter, that's Peter Geisha.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: He got is that or he really? That's real?
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: I don't remember.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Remember the Limelight movie with Macaulay Culkin and Party Monster, Yes.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And Money. Dylan McDermott played Peter gashon Peter Geish.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to do Party Monster because I've heard
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: that story.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Is oh my god, close to Indie's in it. I mean,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: not the real story. I mean she probably was. She
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: was a club kid back in the day. But she's
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: also in the movie.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Michael, uh is it? Michael Allen al Michael alec
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: is dead now. He got out of prison and then
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: he died and I like new people who knew him,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: and he was they were like, he's not really any
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: fun to be around anymore.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: And then he died.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: He's also a murderer, by the way. Yeah, we forget her.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, not the greatest dude.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Shortly after Kirk's arrival, he in the boutley.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: They robbed somebody, right, and they were like, we're bouncers
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and he's tall, right, so like if you're getting tall,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: you're giving bouncer. Like totally robbed the drug dealer, and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the bouncer kept all the coke and Kirkham kept the money,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: a symbiotic relationship that would go on to hell sustain
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Kirkham's life in New York City.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I love that he was like, you keep the blow
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: and I keeping the money.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a mutually beneficial right transaction.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: Also, just like, robbing a drug dealer is just not
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: a smart way.
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: It's just not a smart thing to know.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, like if you're the drug dealer, you're
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: at the lowest level of drugs, so the drug dealer
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: got to take that ill.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: It's not like they robbed the kingpin.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: So he was eventually fired, but not before meeting Michael
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Alig and Peter Gaishen himself. Kirkham's firing prompted him to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: move to Miami, where he was then hired by the
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: FBI for his ability to worm his way into night
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: life clubs, parties aka magnets for high level criminals. One biographer,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Frank Owen, described Kirkham as the guy lied constantly about everything.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I mean literally everything. I like Sean because he was
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: really charming, but you know, he was not a good person.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: He just did really bad things to people.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: So I love that. You're like, he was a bad guy.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: He lied about everything, and like every little thing.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It's like, like, what else is he lying about?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: He's like, hey, y'all, I can't make it to work
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: because the sky is purple, Like what is he lie
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: about that?
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: It's just like, I also love that he found Like
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: he's a bad gay and he found all the other
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: bad gays.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he found each other.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: They could swell their own. I guess your time, find
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: your tribes.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: It goes down to like tunnel and limelight, cool story, a.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Shitty people in the world. You just got to shore
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: your person. They said to somebody for everybody. So if
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: you ask, she's probably somebody else out there who's asked too?
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: And y'all get together, be asked together. Love that for y'all.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So one night, while partying in Miami, Kirkham stole Madonna's
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: home phone number from a director's address book at the club.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, yeah, and did he call her?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: He showed it off and then sold the entire book
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: to promoters who used it to call celebrities like Bianca
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Jagger and Liam Neeson invite them to their parties.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Like Liam Neeson is showing up to your party.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: He might remember when he said he was out here
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: looking to beat up in any black man because his friend.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: All right, my black man, he's probably a black man.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I have a very special skit set. Excuse let me
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: go to this neck clup. See if this black man man.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: It's also just like Liam Neeson. You made it so far.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Just stay quiet and you could have like rode off
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: into the sunset as like one of the greats, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: you just had to fucking blow it in the end.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Girls, we loved when he.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Was next chopping everybody.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: You didn't have a volunteer disinformation.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Nobody found it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Now nobody knew. Yeah, you don't have to tell us.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: That's like Sean Connery that famous Barbara Walter's interview where
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: she's like, do you love still believe what you said
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: about how sometimes it's okay to hit a woman, and
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: he's like, oh yeah, no, no, no, it's like all like
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: for sure, always okay, always to hit a woman.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And it's like Sean, oh my god, shay, yeah, you
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: put a backtracked and said, no, Barbara, I've learned my lesson.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: That was a horrible thing for me to say that
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: their filo facts to the club. I wonder, I know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: why is this like address book, this valuable, valuable address
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: book just like strewn about.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Right, It's the nineties, though, he know if he was
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: gonna have to be at a payphone and be like, hey.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Monomahoo, hey mad.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: If I'm like nineteen early nineteen nineties, Liam Neeson and
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: I'm just now finding out that I was in the
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: same address book as Madonna.
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: That's a good day for early nineties.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was a neck chopping at that point,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: so you know, this is kind of nice. So the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: takedown of the Liblaine So in nineteen ninety five, Kirkham
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: returned to New York City and offered his services to
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the DEA.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: The government was like, this is our dude, Like, you
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: love him.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: This is before Twitter.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: The FBI got Twitter now, so they just be getting
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: all the they'd be like, confess, oh they tweeted, Okay,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: let's go to the house. But this is before Twitter.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: So he was just like, all right, we just got
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: kurk him. He gonna go in and he also does crime,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: but we're gonna let that slide because, you know, because.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: He's the tallest gay around.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: We needed we need him.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: So the DA immediately hopped on the opportunity and employed him,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: taking down the city's most popular clubs at the time,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Peter Geishen's Limelight Club, where Andy Warhol and other nineties
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: celebrities used to party.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: So this club looks like a church.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: Yes, that was, yeah, it was. It's a gym. Now
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: was it was like a shopping sent No, it was.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I've been here.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: It was a clothing store or something. At this point,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I've been to the clothing store.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Limelight is pretty badass.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Actually, Like when it was a nightclub and you went
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: into the nightclub and it was a church like that,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: it was pretty amazing.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: It was a pretty amazing spot right.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: It's giving. Look, you can drop it low for jesus.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: You know, I was talked about that on another episode,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: so I'm not mad at it. So due to the
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: high profile nature of the Limelight and the subsequent drugs
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: flowing through it, Gaish was the perfect scapegoat for Mayor
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Rudy Giuliani's tough on crime campaign, which I love that
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Rudy Giuliani was tough on crime, also doing crime. His
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: daughter was shopped. Love God, I have no crap because
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I do it. Wait did I say that?
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Take that out?
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: We have? Okay, okay, exactly, Julia really fucked up his
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: ship because he is like copping. People loved him America's
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: mayor after eleven?
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: Are you kidding me? I know how you go fuck
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: that up?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: How you got a whole like I'll never forget tragedy.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: And now now you at the fucking press conferences out
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: outside the lawn care center.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, my hair.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Landscaping, Total Landscaping its fucking garbage through and through that
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: four seasons.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Total Landscaping had to have known that they meant the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: right four seasons and was like, no, yeah, you could
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: book us.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: I loved that, like so many people were in on
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: that to just make them look so stupid.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: It was great that story was it just kept on
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: giving that story.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: He was leaking hair dye, remember that. Oh yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: It was like just the one year anniversary of four
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: seasons total landscaping.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: It was all over my timeline again because everyone was.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Like this was this, This was only a year ago
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: and also fifty years ago.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: So Kirka was one of three main informants working for
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the DA this they supplied evidence of limelight shady dealings.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Michael Algae was the one of the others before he
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: was arrested for the murder of Angel Melndez. So he
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: was helping the DEA and then they were like, wait
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: a man name, hey, anybody the ena.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Michael Alex murdered Angel and then chopped him up and
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: put him in a box in his living room where
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: it stayed for days on end before he took it
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: in a taxi and threw the box into the Hudson
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: River with the help of the taxi driver.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: It's a horrible, horrible, it is really bad.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: He murderer.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Murderer.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were literally in Michael Alex's living room with
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: their feet on the box being like, then let's see
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: an angel.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: It's awful, like doing drugs, and everyone was so fucked
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: up that was coming in and out of it that
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: they were like oh ha ha ha. Like he would
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: just be like, oh yeah, I killed him and chopped
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: him up, and everyone's like, oh, Michael passed the blow.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: You're hilarious, Like another, yeah, amazing, right.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Like why are you I'm not hanging out with No,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: murder's lazy, It's it's a banana story.
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: It's no, I'm not gonna be next exactly exactly, Yeah,
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: I don't understand.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: So, instead of waiting to be arrested for his own
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: illicited dealings of which the DA handlers were aware, Kirkham
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: began an escape plan. He started recording meetings with his
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: handlers and then contracted Gaishen's legal team to offer to
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: sell them confidential details of the case to make some
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: money before he fled the country with this Canadian passport. However,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the double crosser was double cross when Gaisen's legal team,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: knowing that Kirkham's plan was entirely illegal, contacted the prosecution
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: and set up a sting. So they were like, we're
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: gonna cross you because actually, we need to the charges
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: are bad on our side.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: So we down bank.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: We actually so we're gonna tell the DA you cuz
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: we got.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Murders that we gotta deal with.
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: Oh my god.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Kirkham immediately made his claims that he was a sex
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: worker and one of the prosecutors had a sexual relationship
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: with him, which earned him a charge of lying to
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the federal agent. So now he was like, all right, wait, wait, wait,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: this needs to be a mistrial because I've been boning yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Asian agent forbes, I've been boning him.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: So this all know the.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: Boie un I can't believe I don't know this story.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: He was found guilty, fled to Vancouver, re arrested, and
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: sent us to fifty seven months in prison. Ironically, he
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: was the only person involved in the Limelight case to
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: be convicted and.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Served any time.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: During a later interview in a documentary about the history
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of Limelight, Kirkham bizarrely said, if you go back to
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the times of the nineteen forties when the Nazis were
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: on trial in Nuremberg, they said they were doing a job.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: That's how I felt. I was doing a job and
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: getting paid for it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Now, how do you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Think what never never compare yourself to the plight of
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: the Nazi, I mean yeah, never, and.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: You thought people we gonna be sympathetic, gona thy like damn,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: you know, God, everybody at Ashwitz was really just like
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: trying to get a chick, like you're acting like ash
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: was his Amazon.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Like no, right, Oh my god, I cannot believe we've
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: never covered this.
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: How do we not know this story or that it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Was so glossed over in the Party Monster documentary that
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: we covered because all of the the other major players
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: in the story are in that documentary.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: They probably didn't have enough time.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Look at this, I'm wearing a T shirt that says
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: Where's my club?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Wow? Love that a fame.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: So Kirkham's next chapter began when he met Israeli points
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: star Drao Barack, also known as the Roman Ragazzi. Kirkham
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: found Barack's contact information online and tried to hire him
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: to model for his made up company, The World's My Playground.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Lellc a boot damn and I'm doing air quotes.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: A bootinue dam and brokerage firm that also specializes in
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: special events tuttle wit there So, kirk said that he
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: was on Michael Kirkham, the son of Baron Graham Kirkham,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: founder of the multimillion dollar furniture Empire.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: The two continue to exchange emails.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: When Kirkham discovered that Barack also had a career as
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: an aid in the United Nations, Israeli consolate Barack.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Thus he was a model and he was in the consulate. Okay,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: they just let anybody do anything.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: In the nineties.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say that he only got away with
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: this because it was before the Internet.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: But I guess if they're emailing, I guess not.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but their email like Sarah Jessica Parker is
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: sex in the City.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Email was fresh.
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was real.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: That was when AOL was popping. Now it was a
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: scammy email address. You do that when you sign up
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a porn like you.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Don't use AOL.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: It's also like mayoel, I know, it's crime.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: This was like before people knew that you were supposed
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: to like spend time on the internet doing a personal
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: background check on anybody you ever met.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly right.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: So Barack's agents found out about the exchange, and, upon
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the most basic of searches about Kirkham barred for their contact.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: So they did a you know, a little Google or
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: whatever and they were like, wait, this man is fraudulent.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: But it was too late. Kirkham had publicly outed Brock's.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Porn career in an anonymous page six expose, leading to
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Barocks firing from the Consulate.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: That's fucked up, Yeah, lighting up Consulate.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: It's just a little porn. Come on, like you're not.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: All invested in your your next porn extravaganza.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Like please work?
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: Is work?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: So like exactly Obviously the Consulate wasn't giving up enough coins,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: so so Kirkham then continued to harass Barock and his agent,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: even commenting on the page six article over a year
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: after it's publishing. Colin, your dumbest fuck, come and get me.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Waste your hoe bills made from the Romans ass and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: fly to Budapest if that's where you think I am.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to meet you in person. You'll never
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: leave the room alive.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: What whoa Oh my god?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: You put murder threats like online? He was gonna be
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: like paper trail. Who did he write that to to?
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: Oh my god?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: And so Barack actually this is sad, but he killed
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: himself a number of years later for unknown reasons.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I probably think of some reasons.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: So in twenty twelve, kirkham blanche the Living Stones, a
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: project that would have seen sixty two stone plaques placed
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: at the last locations of murdered and missing women of
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: British Columbia, many of whom were Indigenous. He used the
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: funds from the nonprofit that he created called the Canadian
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Foundation for Creative Development and Innovation. I love that vagas name.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: I say that, what like, that's the Canadian.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Foundation for Stuff and progress and also future in amiens.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Totally not a scam Ellman and t and where on
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: the up and up LLC.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: So in twenty thirteen, only four plaques had been placed,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and many who were involved in the projects said that
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: they had not been paid for their work.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: The plaques themselves are only four by four.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Inches big and embedded into the ground at their location,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: often noticed by the people passing over them.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: So they're small as hell.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Oh right, this is also asked, Wait can we go
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: back to that other plaque? This says Heather Bottomly born
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: August seventeenth, nineteen seventy six, murdered.
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: Ah oh what also?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I wish she was murdered for what we're supposed to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: be like commemorating he was.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Just like she did?
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: What?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? I mean, like we get it, must you.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: It's like sometimes being a little vague goes along.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Just say like in memoriam you have to say murdered.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: But imagine you are one of the people who actually
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: does see the plaque. As you're walking over it, you
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: feel like you're standing on the spot where that murder
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: took place.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what murdered?
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: How murdered?
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: When?
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: What are we supposed to be remembering?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Like whatever you do this kind of thing, you know,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: like a Holocaust museum or something like that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: The whole point is so that we pay.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Homage and remembrance to these victims, but also so that
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: we have a reminder that so it doesn't happen again.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: How are you gonna be like vague as murdered?
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: Who murdered her?
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna yea is it solved? Like can we help?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: What do they need?
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: How do we It makes me want to stop in
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: my tracks and also like get to work, but I
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: can't because there's no information.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Did they catch a murderer?
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: What?
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: How?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: How outraged do I have to be. Right now, I'd
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: like to know how angry I need to be?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Seventy six?
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: They killed her?
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Who is they?
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: What?
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: And why is there a plaque about it on the sidewalk?
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Like, that's that's the most confused.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: If you're just standing there and you look, there should
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: at least be a QR code that you can hold
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: your phone.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Over it, and like it takes you to a page
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: with more.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Information that tells you how angry to be?
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Right, Like who was supposed to be?
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: Mad at?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Who we're supposed to remember? What tragedy should we avoid?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Not just murdered?
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: They killed her?
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: What it leads to so many more questions instead of
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: just giving us information, Now we have fifteen more questions.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Right, this is like she did well? Okay, why did
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: we need to know what? That's horrible? But where does
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the anger go? I need a direction?
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: One of the missing women, Caroen Louise Ellis, was murdered
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: by Canadian serial killer Robert Picketon after her disappearance on
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: January twenty first, nineteen ninety seven. Kirkham prompted like promised
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: her relative Lori and Ellis five hundred dollars to travel
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: to the side of the plaque, which, of course he
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: never sent.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Ellis said, what.
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: I ended up, Jos, that's I need a gay gasped Yeah,
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: well we ended up in return, this is Ellie talking.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Was being in debt and he looked like a hero,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: which made me look like a liar. The City of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Vancouver gave Kirkham's foundation seven thousand dollars as a grant
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: to repair street murals as a part of the project,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: but the people who did that work have not been
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: paid either.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: So he was hiring people to do the work.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Then he was like, oh yeah, oh.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: Are y'all done?
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Are y'all done? Oh y'all finished so fast?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Actually, we do not have a fund yet because you know,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: this is a Canadian foundation for freedom and truth and love,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: and sometimes the checks come in a little slow.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: The sean king of it all, my goodness.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: So the City of Vancouver, you know, they gave him
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: all these coins. He's not paying people out Despite only
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: completing four plaques. Kirkham abruptly dissolved this foundation and ended
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the involvement with the project due to current events in
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: his life. Another vague as statement, I'm gonna start telling
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: people when I can't go somewhere girls, current events in
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: I would be there and I know, I know, I
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: know it's your wedding, but due to current.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Events in my life, I am.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Unable to currently Twitter Like, it's just so many current
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: events that are also in my life. And yeah, I
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: can't come to your baby shower because.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Currently the events that are transpiring.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Events weren't current, I would be there, but.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, fortunately current happening.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: There's many events that are inventing, so I can't come.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm so sorry.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: So in reality, the city implied that they couldn't trust
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Kirkham to finish the project. Kirkham was accused and sued
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: by the City of Vancouver on the basis of public
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: scandal and contempt, suffered and continuation of suffering grave damaged
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: his career and reputation. Okay, so he ultimately pled to
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: six charges related to the project and sentence he was
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: like sentenced to house arrests, which I.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: Feel like sentence to house arrests.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: What he's so tall, you can't put me in like
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: that in jail. He's he can't go to jail, he's
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: too tall, short, people in minorits.
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: Is he currently under house rest?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: We you will see.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: So Kirkham's biggest desire was always to be famous. He
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: spent his entire adulthood weaving elaborate lives about his accomplishments
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and status, and victoriously attacked anyone who said otherwise. In
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, at the age of forty three, he was
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: found dead in his apartment.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: The death does not ruled the suspicious, so you know.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: So somebody there's a definitive answer. Somebody knows what happened.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: But again, it's.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Like the plaques give me information.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: And like not to be a dick about it, but
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: I'm not sad, you know, I feel not this guy.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Fuck this guy, what he did to these people with
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: this memorial, these indigenous people, Like that's important. Like the
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: reason that we commemorate those things is not for vanity.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: It's not to wave it in people's faces so that
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: it doesn't fucking happen again.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Like that's the whole point of history is we're supposed
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: to look at it and be like, did that shit
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: just happen?
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Right, especially the missing and murdered Indigenous woman, Like this
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: is an epidemic, Like that that is like when people
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: fuck with stuff like that, that really makes me crazy,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: like when the scam is about people who have died
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: or trying to help, like it just it's too much.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: It's too much.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: My only thing is I hope somebody like picks this up,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: like his project with the plaques, but just does it better.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: Like it doesn't seem like this whole thing was very
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: well thought out.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: No, here's got to be a better way.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: I feel like I say it on every podcast I
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: ever do, There's got to be a better way.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: After he went to home depot, the plaques aren't that big.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, we'll burn it here right right?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Would you say four four inches?
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: It was like yapus scamming it on it though, because
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: it's gonna go into the ground.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, spring for the laminate now.
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: I only want four.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: I'm supposed to do sixteen before is enough?
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: Like what but my grant my grant check still hasn't cleared,
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: so I'll be back.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I'll be bad.
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: No, y'all make them though, and then I'm gonna come
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: in and approve them. I'm gonna need to hold all
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: of them at one time.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then and I'm.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Gonna approve them.
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, what a piece of shit, this guy.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Piece of shuffle. Awful guy, bad dude. We do not
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: fuck with this guy.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Guys, it's time for the saddest part of the show,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: where I have to let Jillian and Patrick go, but
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: not before we do Scammer of the week. This is
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: where we highlight an honorary Charlottean. Either we love them
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: or we hate them. We don't know yet. We make
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: no promises.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Today we're talking about davey On Sandford. He's twenty two
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: and currently on the run after allegedly committing fraud to
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: bond his boyfriend Davonte Jones, twenty six out of jail.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is real love, that's right?
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: Or die? You know what I mean?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Is this is this like a very special gay scam
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: episode or is this all random?
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: It's I mean, shout out to Kaitlin. Maybe she gave
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: us a through line here. Yes, but I love gay crime.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: I totally Also, those gays were super hot, both of them.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, and come on truely he said, ride or die,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: We ride it and we die and love this. So
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Sandler became romantically involved with Jones, a convicted felon while
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: they were housed in the same jail unit.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Love that for y'all.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Can we do a movie about this, like the Notebook?
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: But it's yes, like the book which one of the
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: book which one of them was putting up that it's
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: a witch hunt posters in prison.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. It's the real hero
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: of the story.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: So he bonded out of jail months before he illegally
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: used the identity and personal information of two other people
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: to secure eighty thousand dollars bond for Jones' release.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: That's love, love, he said.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I gotta get my boo out.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: I gotta spring bed. This is an unbelievable I love
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: day afternoon. Yes it is.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: But I also love that they like met like for real,
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: these like gay love in prison.
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: I support that.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Love this for them.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: They were out on the yard and they connected eyes
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: pump an iron in the sun.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: This is sexy. This is spicy.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: My god, I'm into this. They share ramen, they share
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: ramen together, They make some toilet hoots, and they they
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: to their love.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, crack open a bottle of toilet wine.
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: But my thing is like this is like they're reaping
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: the benefits the same way. Like when I was young
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: and not out and I could have like boys, I
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: was into sleepover and my mom just thought they were
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: my friends, you.
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: Know what I mean.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: Like yeah, but I'm like, this is great. They get
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: to like find each other in prison because they're both dudes.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Love this.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: So.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Sandford has been described by authorities as a repeat con artist,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: another serial entrepreneur love It, and was initially arrested in
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: charge with running an employment scam oh lovely earlier this year.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: He was also accused of hacking a woman's social media
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: accounts and then posting as her while asking her.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Friends for cash.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: In December twenty nineteen, Stanford pled guilty to two felonies
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: after being accused of using fake checks to pay for
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: sex in his dorm room at Briar Cliff University in Iowa.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Oh my lord, nowuddle.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Sex workers out here taking chicks.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right, I'm sorry. You need to be charged
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: for this. And you're a sex worker and you taking checks.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: You doing it all wrong, chicks.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, although, like if you're writing checks to your sex worker,
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: you're also.
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: Doing that wrong.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: Like this is a cash business. If ever there was
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: one forever on both sides. On both sides, you know
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: what I mean?
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Cash app Like how you go?
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: What you're writing on the little byline of the memo,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: the memo for Booty like what what?
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: Oh my god? You guys keep it cash, keep it
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: a cash business.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, Now, come on, guys, I don't know. I love
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: this couple. This is Bonnie and Clyde. This is a
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: this is no and they're sexy.
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna say it again, Bill and Clyde.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Love this for y'all, y'all on the run, get them
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: sche masks, make us sexy.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Love this for y'all on the Run tour. Beyonce and
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: jay Z could never love it Well, guys.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of the episode. As always,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: we asked on this podcast, where would you too like
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: to be found?
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Oh so that we don't get scammed?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, anything, I want to promote anywhere you want people
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: to find you and engage with you.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Well, you can go to true cromeupsess dot com. That's
• 56:27
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