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Michael Smith on Michael Vick, Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson & 25 years of the Black QB | 08.13 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. We have wrapped up our list of the
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  Speaker 1: top 25 athletes of the last 25 years. We've given
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  Speaker 1: episodes around them to offer a bit of context for
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  Speaker 1: things that have gone on in the last 25 years.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, joining us now, the man who needs
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  Speaker 1: no introduction, New Orleans East's own Michael Smith. What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Not much, man. What's happening with you?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, man, I was in Vegas a couple weeks ago. Wait, man,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the same without you. I lost a lot of money, too.
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  Speaker 1: Not like a lot, lot, lot, lot. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying? But I was not victorious. That's why I
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  Speaker 1: forgot to send you the text messages with the updates.
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  Speaker 2: But did you enjoy it, though?
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  Speaker 1: Had a ball. Had a ball. You know, that's all
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  Speaker 1: it could be.
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  Speaker 2: So my first, yeah, I won't take up too much
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  Speaker 2: time with this, but I'll just remind you that my
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  Speaker 2: first real visit to Vegas was with you. And when
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  Speaker 2: we sat on that blackjack table, you reminded me. It's like, look, man,
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  Speaker 2: you earned it. This is about enjoying yourself. If you're
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  Speaker 2: here to make money, you got a bigger problem.
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  Speaker 1: That is what I tell people all the time. I
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  Speaker 1: get people like, I just don't like giving away my money.
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  Speaker 1: And that's only kind of true because people give away
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  Speaker 1: their money in all kinds of ways. You spend money
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  Speaker 1: on all kinds of things where you don't get anything back.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is if you approach it with the plan
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  Speaker 1: of I'm going to walk out of here with more
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  Speaker 1: money than I came with. That strategy is, what's the
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  Speaker 1: word I'm looking for here? Fraught.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. That's an exercise in futility more often
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  Speaker 2: than not.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and you know what? It is keeping the place going,
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  Speaker 1: but I tell you this, I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: seen this, but they've been reporting about Vegas being down,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll be honest, it felt a little slower, but
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  Speaker 1: it's also worth noting, it's so goddamn hot that Summer
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  Speaker 1: Vegas is now a whole different animal.
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  Speaker 2: You better gamble. I can only imagine.
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  Speaker 1: You better gamble, otherwise you're going to fry. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Before you move on, I'm going to just make a request. Like,
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  Speaker 2: Can we do a podcast one day where we just
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  Speaker 2: give the inside story of our last trip to Vegas?
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  Speaker 1: I think we can pull that off.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I just remember some of our shenanigans that last
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  Speaker 2: time with that art exhibit that we went to. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We can get around to
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  Speaker 1: the immersive.
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  Speaker 2: All right, cool.
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  Speaker 1: Immersive Van Gogh.
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  Speaker 2: That installation. Yeah, that's what they call the business of tease.
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  Speaker 2: You got to find out the next time we dive
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  Speaker 2: into that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was a great day. I forgot what that
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  Speaker 1: thing was. I was about to say it's not a
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  Speaker 1: big deal. We need to talk about black quarterbacks anyway.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to talk about with you. The
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  Speaker 1: last 25 years of black quarterbacks. Now, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: run something by you. You don't even know that I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to run this by you, but I think you'll.
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  Speaker 2: Have thoughts on it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm curious. So when Lamar Jackson came up in
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  Speaker 1: our countdown, I made the point that it is entirely
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  Speaker 1: possible that he will go down as the last black
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  Speaker 1: quarterback to really get treated like we thought of black
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks being treated. and evaluated, right? Like the one that
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  Speaker 1: didn't run a 40 yard dash because he's afraid they're
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  Speaker 1: going to try to make a run back kick, slips
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  Speaker 1: all the way down, everything else, right? Switch positions. Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think something we don't talk nearly enough about, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it is important in these spaces for us
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  Speaker 1: to celebrate our victories because it can be very easy
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  Speaker 1: and understandable to lock in on everything that's left to.
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  Speaker 2: Do, right? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor bounces around and makes eight figures to be
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  Speaker 1: a backup now. That was something that did not happen
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  Speaker 1: for black quarterbacks at a different point in time. Something
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  Speaker 1: you and I, we would talk about Aaron Brooks, quarterback
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  Speaker 1: for the Saints, who I think people think of negatively,
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  Speaker 1: but when you think about it, he's the second best
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  Speaker 1: quarterback in the history of the franchise, if you really
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  Speaker 1: go through it. Aaron Brooks' career was seven years, and
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  Speaker 1: he was out of there. Not because he went to
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  Speaker 1: go do television or whatever, but a guy that was
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  Speaker 1: a legitimate starting quarterback. He was a He went from
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  Speaker 1: the Saints to the Raiders, and he was bad with
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders, never to be seen again. Those sorts of
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  Speaker 1: things don't seem to happen the same way. That boy
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  Speaker 1: Snoop Huntley keep turning up places. Somebody be calling Josh
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  Speaker 1: Johnson all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Josh Johnson got more jobs. He'd have been on every
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  Speaker 2: team multiple times. Yes, yes. Talk about a journeyman.
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  Speaker 1: He's like a throwback collector. He got a Mitchell and Nescloset.
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  Speaker 1: At his crib. All of that's the same. We have
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  Speaker 1: to acknowledge that there are things that have changed in
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  Speaker 1: the ways that we see black quarterbacks, where they get drafted,
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  Speaker 1: everything else. And it's been a fascinating evolution, I think,
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  Speaker 1: that once we got to where it was, I wonder
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  Speaker 1: how much of it is that media stopped covering more
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  Speaker 1: of the important societal type things that surround the game.
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  Speaker 1: But this millennium really starts, 01 is the year that
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  Speaker 1: Michael Vick goes as the number one overall pick. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you fast forward to 2025. We had a black quarterback
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  Speaker 1: go number one overall 2024. We had a black quarterback
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  Speaker 1: go number one overall 2023. We had a black quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: I think they've been one overall. I think they've been
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  Speaker 2: eight since since Vic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Like we it's not there. There are still
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  Speaker 1: things but it's not Gino Smith was able to get
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  Speaker 1: back to having a.
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  Speaker 2: Career and then and then get traded and get a contract.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, right.
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  Speaker 2: The The progress is incredible, man. I'm so glad you...
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what you were going to say, but
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  Speaker 2: I knew what the subject matter was. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you and I are usually on the same wavelength. And
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of what I was thinking about is just
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  Speaker 2: how far we've come.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, because you hate to get complacent. You hate
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  Speaker 3: to feel like, oh, we have overcome. I mean, but
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  Speaker 3: we're overcoming, I guess. And to your point, all I
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  Speaker 3: could think about is I was watching the draft. and
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  Speaker 3: I was watching the commentary and the outrage about Shadur
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  Speaker 3: Sanders sliding is, man, we.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't come a long way to where we are complaining
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  Speaker 2: about an injustice of a quarterback who is lauded for
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  Speaker 2: his accuracy and intelligence, not his athleticism, sliding to the
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  Speaker 2: fifth round of the draft. When once upon a time,
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  Speaker 2: some of the best black quarterbacks in the country would
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  Speaker 2: have just been happy to be drafted to play quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: to be drafted in any round, Forget the first round.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Doug Williams going 17 was history at the time.
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  Speaker 1: That was the first one.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, people were, white media, mainstream media, upset. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I know he's Deion's kid and all that, but upset
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  Speaker 2: because the consensus at the time, second best quarterback prospect
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  Speaker 2: in this class, slipped to the fifth round. I'm like, man, it's, wow.
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  Speaker 2: We have come such a long way in the discourse
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  Speaker 2: and the conversation about black quarterbacks because they're so prominent
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  Speaker 2: so successful, so well compensated. The highest paid players in
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  Speaker 2: the league, Dak Prescott, for example, black quarterback, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's going to challenge for the conversation as the
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  Speaker 2: GOAT is a black quarterback. So, yeah, man, it's really
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  Speaker 2: mind-blowing how quickly it happened because that's a snapshot of time.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and that's what I'm curious about right there as
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  Speaker 1: I think about it is, I don't think we'd be
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  Speaker 1: able to find a clear inflection point, right? There are
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  Speaker 1: little things that pop up that make you go, huh.
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  Speaker 1: For example, Kyler Murray, a diminutive fellow for a quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: being the number one overall pick, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: And somebody that you basically go and hire. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to tell exactly. Do you hire the head
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  Speaker 1: coach because you're going to take Kyler Murray? Did you
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  Speaker 1: take Kyler Murray because you had the head coach? But
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  Speaker 1: even still, it all went in that direction. But if
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  Speaker 1: you go back, and I was thinking about this, to 2014,
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  Speaker 1: That was the year that the first quarterback to go
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  Speaker 1: was Blake Bortles. But the two most prominent quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 1: that first round were Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember that was the first NFL draft after I
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  Speaker 1: had moved to Miami. So I was working with Dan Levitard,
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  Speaker 1: who could be, I would have contended a tad bit
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  Speaker 1: naive about certain things. And so going into that draft,
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  Speaker 1: I remember telling him, I was like, look, Just you
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  Speaker 1: watch what happens to Teddy. Now, Teddy ultimately proved to
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  Speaker 1: be a mid-to-fringe level starting quarterback, right?
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  Speaker 2: By the way, who just got another job?
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  Speaker 1: He just did, right, right, right. Who just did, right?
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  Speaker 1: But he was not, I mean, we went into that
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  Speaker 1: draft with people saying that he was, going into that season,
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  Speaker 1: he was the first quarterback that would probably go. He
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  Speaker 1: wound up going number 32 in the draft. But what
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  Speaker 1: I remember, and you had these moments in drafts where you,
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  Speaker 1: You remember this with brothers that were going through at
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  Speaker 1: this point in time. It was Johnny Manziel has big hands. Therefore,
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  Speaker 1: it does not matter that he is short. even though
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  Speaker 1: being short had been treated like a death knell for
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks the whole way. And now suddenly the ability to
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  Speaker 1: run a professional offense and do all the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater was known for, suddenly none of those things
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  Speaker 1: mattered anymore. And all that mattered was this little guy
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  Speaker 1: had big hands. So now we're going to eliminate the
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  Speaker 1: hype and maybe he could scurry around a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And now look, it turns out without question, the pick,
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  Speaker 1: if you needed one, should have been Teddy Bridgewater, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like history has borne that out without question, but not
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  Speaker 1: because them other dudes was cold, right? Like they weren't there,
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  Speaker 1: but that was one that now is only 11 years
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  Speaker 1: ago where I can point to and be like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you see how they be doing us? You see how
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  Speaker 1: they be doing us? I don't know how many examples.
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  Speaker 2: I have off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 1: The closest that I could think of was what we
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  Speaker 1: thought about with Justin Fields when he slipped in that draft.
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  Speaker 1: But even then, that came with a couple of things.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, other than Lamar Jackson, who I just talked about.
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  Speaker 2: But Justin Fields was more recent. And Fields was still,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't he like top 15? Yeah, he was top 15.
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  Speaker 2: And also, all the skeptics.
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  Speaker 1: And all the skepticism, it was fair. One of the
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  Speaker 1: things was the epilepsy diagnosis, and you'll never really be
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  Speaker 1: able to know exactly how. I know of one team
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  Speaker 1: that could have taken a quarterback that didn't because of
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  Speaker 1: the epilepsy. But then the other thing that bore out
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  Speaker 1: in the film proved to be true. It'd be back
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  Speaker 1: there taking too long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like, that was not a, we get in
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  Speaker 1: auto because it's a brother situation.
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  Speaker 2: But that, okay, but that's great that you brought that
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  Speaker 2: particular thing up because what has evolved is.
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  Speaker 2: That is no longer a generalization or a stereotype. Like
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  Speaker 2: if Justin Fields doesn't process quickly enough, Justin Fields doesn't
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  Speaker 2: process quickly enough. Not black people lack the necessities to
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  Speaker 2: play the position in general. You know, you asked about
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  Speaker 2: an inflection point. What about, and I don't remember exactly
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  Speaker 2: what year this is. You agree about this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can tell me the year. What about
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  Speaker 2: the implementation of spread offenses in the RPO game?
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  Speaker 1: Yo, that is.
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  Speaker 2: Because once that shit started... Yes. I mean, you want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about... It's like now, instead of, hey, Michael Vick,
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  Speaker 2: going back to Vick, you know, the beginning of this
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  Speaker 2: chapter in NFL history you're focusing on, going back to, man,
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  Speaker 2: you got to win from the pocket. The only way
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  Speaker 2: to do this is win from the pocket. You got
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  Speaker 2: to win from the pocket. To now.
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  Speaker 2: You can't be a statue. If you lack mobility as
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  Speaker 2: a black or white quarterback, if you lack mobility, you
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  Speaker 2: are the dinosaur. You don't fit in this modern game.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's like, yeah, we're going to wear it
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  Speaker 2: from the pocket, but we're going to, I mean, once
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  Speaker 2: upon a time, you know what you don't hear anymore
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  Speaker 2: about Lamar Jackson? Oh man, he's going to get hurt. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you got guys like Kyler Murray, diminutive though he may be, like, man,
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  Speaker 2: you don't run enough, though. We have come so far
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  Speaker 2: in this conversation about black quarterbacks that they get criticized
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  Speaker 2: for not running enough.
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  Speaker 1: That was C.J. Stroud at Ohio State. Their complaint about
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  Speaker 1: him was that he didn't run enough. And I ain't
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  Speaker 1: gonna lie. Yo, and I'm not going to lie. When
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  Speaker 1: that happened with him, my response to that was, damn,
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  Speaker 1: now you see how they do a situation for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's moving the goalposts.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, right, exactly. Now we're moving the goalposts, right?
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  Speaker 2: The brother too smart. He a smarty-arty brother, so he
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  Speaker 2: too easy.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you who I be feeling bad for
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  Speaker 1: tangentially in this conversation. I be feeling bad for them
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  Speaker 1: slow white boys, man. They changed the game on them overnight.
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  Speaker 1: They used to penalize you for being fast. It was
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  Speaker 1: better for you to not be able to move. Now
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  Speaker 1: they out here like, all right, cool, let's see you go.
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  Speaker 1: They might play some music to see if you can dance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever they started embracing quarterbacks as a rushing threat
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  Speaker 2: and the design run game, that just, I mean, now
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about you know, Cam, Cap, obviously we mentioned Lamar.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the list goes on. I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 2: I would say was, because the way the game was played,
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  Speaker 2: because before they could say, you don't play the game
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  Speaker 2: the way it needs to be played. And they didn't
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  Speaker 2: believe that we could play the game the way it
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  Speaker 2: needs to be played. Now it's like, oh, the game
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  Speaker 2: is played differently. We've embraced what these guys bring to
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  Speaker 2: the table. Oh, and by the way, they're also exceptional
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  Speaker 2: pocket passes. I mean, like, The guys that you don't
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  Speaker 2: think of as mobile quarterbacks are actually, you know, quite athletic.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Patrick Mahomes, for example. Patrick Mahomes could have won,
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  Speaker 2: but that's not his claim to fame. That's not his
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  Speaker 2: calling card, per se. So, yeah, man, like, it's really
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  Speaker 2: crazy how the conversation evolved. I think it's not just
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  Speaker 2: the way the game has been played, but also, like,
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  Speaker 2: these guys are also faces of the league. Not just
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  Speaker 2: their franchise, it's faces of the league. Guys like Mahomes,
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  Speaker 2: guys like Dak. guys that are getting these huge contracts.
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  Speaker 2: We've gone from quarterbacks just wanting to be paid fair
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  Speaker 2: market value, black quarterbacks want to be paid fair market value,
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  Speaker 2: to black quarterbacks setting the market. There are just so
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  Speaker 2: many examples of how we've come such a long way
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  Speaker 2: in such a short time.
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  Speaker 1: So I think part of what you described, I think
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  Speaker 1: the spread offense is a really interesting point in the
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  Speaker 1: role that Cam Newton plays there. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: something that I've talked about in this series and other episodes,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to try to walk it back a
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  Speaker 1: little farther, right? So I remember when in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the 2003 football season where Texas switched their offense
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  Speaker 1: and went to the spread and implemented with Vince Young
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  Speaker 1: and implemented the zone read as their default offense that
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  Speaker 1: they were going to. Part of that was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've got Vince Young. Right. Like. But the other part
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  Speaker 1: was a recognition by the coaching staff at Texas that
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  Speaker 1: the style of offense that they were now running was
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  Speaker 1: the style of offense that the players were playing in
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  Speaker 1: high school in the state of Texas and that their
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  Speaker 1: program had to respond to what the players they were
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  Speaker 1: recruiting were. were going to be able to do what
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  Speaker 1: they were going to be capable of doing. Now, you
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  Speaker 1: could argue that's a bit of a shortcut because you
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  Speaker 1: should be able to develop them into whatever it is
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  Speaker 1: that you need them to be. But I think we
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  Speaker 1: saw that same phenomenon start to happen as the spread
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  Speaker 1: game became more proliferate in college. And that also then
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  Speaker 1: required the NFL to make some adaptations because offensive line
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  Speaker 1: play is one thing you know about this. Having to
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  Speaker 1: teach offensive linemen how to play NFL offensive line versus
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  Speaker 1: college line is like a challenge. But you know something
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  Speaker 1: else that happens now in the doesn't that doesn't happen
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL or something that happens in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: now they didn't before, which is immediate impact rookie wide receivers.
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  Speaker 1: Randy Moss was such an anomaly before because there was
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  Speaker 1: you really couldn't tell. which of the college guys was
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  Speaker 1: going to turn into a pro guy because it was
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  Speaker 1: such a different game moving up. Now everything has changed.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's maybe because of the 7-on-7, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: The point I'm making is that at the lower levels,
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  Speaker 1: a style of offense began to spread that then caught
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  Speaker 1: on in the NFL, and Cam Newton became important because
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: he was the spread college quarterback. Sam Bradford was a
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: similar case the year before because he played in the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: spread at Oklahoma and was still the number one overall pick.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: The difference is Cam Newton was in one of the
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: most loaded drafts there has ever been.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: And if you redid that draft, he'd still be the
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: number one overall pick because you couldn't pass up on
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: that guy. And if you were going to do that,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: you were going to need to start putting some stuff
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: in that worked for him. And then as that went,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: that offered more of a premium for a quarterback who
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: could move. Yeah. And. I'm not saying that black people
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: are faster than white people. I'm saying that, but I
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: am saying that everybody thinks that black people are faster
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: than white people. Therefore, if you say the quarterback got
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: to have some speed, now you got to start talking
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: about these black quarterbacks. That's like the schools that ran
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the wishbone. Hey, man, if we're going to be playing
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the speed game, we might have to get some racial
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: progress in this motherfucker if we're going to try to
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: make this happen. But as that went on, It got
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: to the place where we talked about. You get to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: like 2021 and they're like, yo, if these white boys
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: can't move, we're going to have to go get a brother.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: And it's not just the evolution of the way the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: game was played. It's the physical evolution of the people
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: chasing these quarterbacks. Yes. If these dudes are going to
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: survive with these edge rushers and these pass rushers being
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: as athletic as they are, We got to have somebody
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: who could who can protect themselves, who could buy time
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: in the pocket, who could extend plays. Not to mention,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: you know, with the rule changes in the secondary and
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: how much you couldn't touch said receivers. It's just everything
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: just catered toward a style of play, you know, said
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: another way. that just so happens to cater to people
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: with a little more melanin in their skin.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on. Let me throw another theory out here.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard Harry Edwards say this,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: but he used to say it all the time. And,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a totally plausible thing. Harry would
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: make the point that once Vic got out there, right,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and you had other guys coming up, Donovan McNabb, because,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you know, there have been various points of, like, surges
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of black quarterbacks, and then it kind of recedes. It
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: happens very similar with black coaches also. where you look
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: up and it's seven of them, then one day you
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: look up and it was two, right? But like these
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: things would happen. And so Harry's argument was, once you
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: started to see the rise of those black quarterbacks, those
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: mobile quarterbacks, that is when you saw the penalties become
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: more punitive for hitting quarterbacks late in the pocket or
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: all those sorts of things, right? Because as those edge
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: rushers got faster, if you want to make sure that
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the white dudes can play, And you think the white
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: dudes aren't fast. All these are ifs, right? If you
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: believe those things, right? If you are to believe those things,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: then the way to make the white guys faster is
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: to slow down the defensive ends. And the way that
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you slow down the ends is make it to where
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: they got to pull up, right? They got to worry
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: about all the things that could possibly go wrong. And
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that seemed to happen. It feels like you kind of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: reached a point where... They if these things were the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: case that they reached a point where they had no
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: more rules, they could change. This is just what it
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: was going to be.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel weird? And by the way, here's another thing.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Going back to like the idea of intelligence. um you
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: could argue i mean the gold standard for rookie quarterbacks
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you talk because when you talk about receivers ready to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: play right away reminding me of quarterbacks and the development
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: curve the gold standard used to be marino 83 roethlisberger
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: 04 but i don't think there's any question that the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: two most impressive rookie seasons we've ever seen are were
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: back-to-back years of cj shroud followed by jane daniels you
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: know what i'm saying and it's like not only have
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: black quarterbacks dismantled the notion of we we can't process
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: we can't think we can't lead leadership is another part
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of it like black quarterbacks have been able to lead
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: organizations let alone locker rooms um but they've also hit
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: the ground running literally and figuratively But what I was
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: going to say was, isn't it weird?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Hold on, right fast. I want to say just right
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: quick on that. And I think it's important to note
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: specifically with Daniel. Stroud is interesting because whatever that fancy
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: test is that comes out, they try to get process
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of speed. No, not the Wonderlic. Oh, the other one.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The new one.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: As I recall.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: But Stroud did not. Oh, wow. Yes.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Wow. Where Stroud did not do well.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: You're right. You're right. That was a big thing going
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: into the draft.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a huge thing. And remember, he didn't
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: think the Texans were going to draft him for a
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: number of reasons. That's a different story for a different day.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But Jaden Daniels, the thing that he is praised for
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: above all else is processing speed.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Processing speed.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, and coming out, it was like, oh,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: he's just a runner. He doesn't throw over the middle
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: of the field. That's what I was going to say. Like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: as many difficult conversations and difficult, not for us, but
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: for certain people that don't want to have them or
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: listen to those conversations being had, but as many conversations
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: as we have had about Black progress or the lack
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: thereof in this country, in every sector of society, but
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: specifically sports for the most part for me and you, like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: it just feels so weird to even approach a feeling
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: of we've arrived. But it's really hard not to.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Well, the one point is it is not us who
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: have arrived.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: That's true. Fair enough. Fair enough.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: They finally caught up.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: They caught up.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: They finally decided that, you know, winning is probably a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: little bit more important than all this other stuff. And
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I would also like to make this note. While a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: quarterback still needs to be able to move, hey, man,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a guy that can drop back in the pocket and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: make it happen with quick decision-making and a big arm.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Can still be highly successful in this league. Tom Brady
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: was good.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Joe Bowe is not a runner. He got some wheels
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: when he needs them. He can move. He can move
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in the pocket, yes.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying this, Matthew Stafford can still play in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the league. Justin Herbert is not unathletic, but Justin Herbert,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: whose problem might be that he's a little bit too big,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: but Justin Herbert is not a guy that can move
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he can, but that ain't what he's here for.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That's not his calling card. No, that's not what they're
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: paying him to do.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Right, Dak Prescott can kind of run, but that's not
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: really what we're talking about with him. But if you
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: can drop back, see to throw, make Geno Smith a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: classic pocket passer, you can still do that. And what
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I think maybe is interesting about this time period as
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: anything else is the fact that Geno Smith can now
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: exist as a pocket passer because he used to be
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you will go through all rivals, and you know how
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: rivals are split it up with pro-style passers and dual
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: threat passers.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Athletes? Yeah, right, yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: But see, but like the athlete list makes sense because
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that was like you could play a different, depending on
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: what school wants you, right? But the dual threat list
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: would be a pretty decent mix demographically. The pro-style mix
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: would be all white dudes, which is basically to say,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: If you're not going to be fast, we don't want
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you because we could go find a white dude to
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: be slow. There's actually been a measure of progress, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: it is in allowing us to be slow. I'll give
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you an example. The late Dwayne Haskins. It did not
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: work out. He did not have a good NFL career
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: while he was there. But I remember asking myself, because remember,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Dwayne was struggling in the NFL while Joe Burrow was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: blowing the box at LSU, just blowing everything out. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man. How in the world did
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, if he's this good, how did he not
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: start at Ohio State? And brother, I pulled up those
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: clips of Dwayne Haskins out of high school, and it
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: was like looking at John Elway, right? Big, strong, drop back,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: throw the ball, couldn't really move, but he could do that.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: The fact that that now works, like what I think
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: has happened is just across the board, The idea of
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a having it out once you got your black quarterback
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: shit can get weird right with media with fans and everything.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: There's still some commentary that's problematic. Right.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: But the idea of having a black quarterback is not
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: nearly as provocative as it used to be like the notion.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: has dulled really in the last 10 years. And that is,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I don't fully understand it. Maybe it's just a matter
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of finally we got enough people, A, where the stakes
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: got too high, or B, you just wound up with
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: enough people that were like, oh yeah, this has been
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: going on forever.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also you mentioned it, the college game. I mean,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: you know, politically conservative doesn't begin to describe the college game.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I think you've often said the only thing black about
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: college football is the players. You know what I'm saying?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: So And, but once you started getting more and more
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: black quarterbacks, now we have black quarterbacks in college plenty
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: of for years. I mean, you know, obviously ask Warren
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: moon about that. You know what I mean? Black quarterbacks
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: have succeeded in college for decades. It took the NFL
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: a long time to embrace. You're right. The notion of
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: having a black quarterback to begin with. And I think
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: it also go, but it, but it lends itself. It's
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: interesting because I would say quarterback, if we could, if
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: we could liken quarterback to a, you know, a CEO
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: position or a management position. Cause it's an extension of ownership.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, it wasn't just about it being an up
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the middle thinking position, like center or safety or something
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: like that. It was also like, this is going to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: be the highest paid player more often than not based
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: on the hierarchy and infrastructure of our, of our salary system. Um,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: apologies to Doug Williams, who was like in the forties
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: when he was a starting quarterback, but, um, it's a
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: denial of wealth that took place for so long. So
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it was the notion of a Black person leading a
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: locker room, being the face of a franchise, but are
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: we going to write the biggest checks on our team
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to Black people and make them the highest paid player
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and give them the power and authority and the clout
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: that comes with that? Because then you want to talk
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: about some problematic commentary. What's interesting, I was thinking about
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: this too when I was talking to you, is like,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the conversation evolved or devolved rather from can a black
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: man play quarterback to the level of blackness we associate
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: with black quarterbacks. Like whether it's Donovan McNabb in certain circumstances,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: whether it's Russell Wilson in certain circumstances, whether it's Colin
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Kaepernick in certain conversations. And I'm not here to legitimize
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: those conversations. I'm just simply saying, we got so bored
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: with the conversation around whether or not we have enough
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: black quarterbacks from the days of when Warren moon was
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: literally the only one in the league. Once he came
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: from Canada, went to Oilers. So like what we got
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: so bored with that and black quarterbacks became so commonplace
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: going to super bowls, getting drafted. Number one, overall getting
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: big contracts, more than half the league is starting black quarterbacks.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, Oh, we're used to this now. So now
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: we've got to have something else to pick on them about.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: So like, are you black enough? You know, are you
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: using your platform enough? Even though we never asked white
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks to use their platform. You know, to make social commentary.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But is this person, you know, are you down for
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the calls enough as a black quarterback? So that's kind
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of where the conversation is going.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take a beat because I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: got a couple thoughts off of that. One that dawned
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: on me about college that I'm going to run by
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you and get your thoughts on. But are we talking
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to Michael Smith here on the right time? All right,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: we are back with Michael Smith. And you made an
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: interesting point about black quarterbacks quarterbacks in college and that
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that is a notion that we had seen for many
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: years and this is true like if I'm not mistaken
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the first black quarterback to win a national championship I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: believe was in 1960 uh University of Minnesota uh Tony
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Dungy played quarterback at the University of Minnesota uh cats
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: like me and you remember the boy what was his
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: name Reggie Foggy played at uh played at Minnesota Minnesota
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: had a lot of black quarterbacks you know why because
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you can't be out here discriminating when you Minnesota, right? Like, like,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like Minnesota can't be like, send it like it's the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: schools that wind up with the knuckleheads because they can't
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: send players that right. Like they, they can't be turning
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: down good players to go there.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Remember Tony Rice at Notre Dame. Right.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Well, that's an interesting story because that's Lou Holtz.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Politics are far from mine and far from yours.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: But, brought Tony Rice as a prop 48 to Notre Dame,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: hired Charlie Strong as the defensive coordinator in the SEC
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: in 2001, because football can get weird, right? But the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: thing about quarterbacks and black quarterbacks in college, there was
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: still a lot of places that just didn't do it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Case in point.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Vince Young was the second black starting quarterback at the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: University of Texas. The first one got the job, I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: want to say, in 1994. um go check how many
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: black starting quarterbacks there were at usc between rodney pete
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and caleb williams i think a couple may have popped
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: up but it was a long in the period in
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: which i did around the horn there had not been
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a black quarterback at usc since rodney pete um georgia
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: has had one black quarterback who started for one year
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: in the last 35 years, and that was DJ Shotgun. Miami,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: it took a long time before they got around to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: getting a black quarterback, right? All them dudes was people
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: from Florida, and then you go to New Jersey and
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: give any test a 30. It, in college, was very
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: often a do what you got to do if that's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the game that you need to play. You see cats
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: in a lot of these far-flung locations, and a little
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: less heat on you. in some of those places when
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you make those moves. Nah, it's everywhere now. It's everywhere now.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And in the NFL, look, you still have, well, it's
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: interesting now because the Giants win.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking about them.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: The Giants who have had a, who, Dino Smith, that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: one game was the Giants' first black starting quarterback.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Terod Taylor got some run after, you know, behind, after
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones got hurt. He got a couple of games
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: before they went to the Tommy DeVito situation. But they're
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: one of those teams that wasn't doing that. Jordan Love
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: is the first time that the Packers have had a
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: black quarterback, what I would call on purpose. Right.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Huntley has started some games. Wallace had gotten out there.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: But it's almost like but it's almost like you excuse
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that because, OK, they have Farvin and Rogers. It's like, OK,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: what you going to do?
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: The idea of a black quarterback didn't become a thing
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: until the 1990s.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Therefore, in the time that we thought about that, you
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: can't be mad at him to have Brett Farvin, Aaron Rogers.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: You can say that to a lesser degree about the Giants,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: although when they did start Gino Smith, they then fired
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the coach. for doing such a thing. But it's always,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: there's still pockets where it's like, yeah, we'll see. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: know the idea, for example, the idea that the Giants
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: are going to draft Shadurah Sanders at any point, I
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: was like, guys.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, you must not know the history of
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: this organization. Right, right.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: So I say that so that people understand that what
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: we're saying is it ain't all A-W-L-L-L-L-L good, right?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: We know it's not all good. Right, right. but it
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: is a hell of a lot different. Yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: And I mean, tomorrow somebody will say, Oh, do some shit.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's just, it's around the corner.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It's always around the corner, but no, I just, I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: think about some of the guys that hot, like how
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: they would have been received in today's game that see
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you and I are getting to that age where something
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: that feels like a long time ago was really just yesterday, right?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And so I think about the guy that comes to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: mind for me is Cordell Stewart. Like that old slash thing.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Like what kind of quarterback would Cordell Stewart be now?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Or how would he be viewed now? Or how would
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: he be utilized in today's game? You know, there were
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: so many guys who played this way that were denied
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: opportunities because as you said earlier, the league hadn't caught
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: up to them. They were too far. They were born
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: out of time. They were ahead of their time. It's
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: really quite tragic. I mean, I think Warren Moon, because
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Warren Moon was my, you talk about seeing it with
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: your chest? Warren Moon threw it with his chest. Warren Moon,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I tried to throw like Warren Moon my whole childhood.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: He was my favorite quarterback to watch throw a football.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Does he still, if I'm not mistaken, have more professional
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: passing yards? than anybody when you combine CFL and NFL?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I think Tom Brady's 100-year-old ass.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Might have got him. Okay, all right. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: But for the longest time, the most prolific passing quarterback
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: of all time, yardage-wise, was Warren Moon. But he had
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: to spend the early part of his prime in a CFL,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: because they literally wouldn't draft the best quarterback in the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: country or in Pac-8.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Cordell Stewart, who is from?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: New Orleans, Louisiana, baby. Okay.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: From the West Bank. By the way. From across the river.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder why he didn't go to LSU, neither
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: here nor there.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to tell people how we did not
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: get down with LSU when.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I was growing up. Yo, yo, that is an under,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it was in the 20, that is Nick Saban's greatest feat.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Is what he did for LSU football in terms of, hey, man,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: this segregation bag is not. Like I said, at some point,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: somebody come in and say, I thought y'all wanted to win, right?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: But Cordell Stewart went to Colorado where he was an
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: excellent college quarterback who quarterbacked excellent teams. And there's a
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: lot of formation, a lot of option there, but they
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: threw the ball. Like the most famous play of Cordell
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Stewart at Colorado was to throw to Michael Westbrook at.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: The big ones, right?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And that was a hell of a throw. Cordell Stewart,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to me, is a forgotten figure in that I think
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that he is the connective tissue of history between, and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I'm taking Moon out of this, and you'll understand why
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: when I say it, I think, between Randall Cunningham and
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, that generation of guys. If you
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: go back and look at clips of Cordell Stewart, the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: thing I don't think I properly appreciated at the time
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: was how absurdly athletic he was. Because I thought of
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: him much more as a guy who could just throw
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the ball. But when you look at some of the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: plays that he was capable of making and the things
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that he was doing, Randall Cunningham was a dual threat
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: because he could run, but they weren't doing a lot
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: of deploying of him in the run game. It wasn't
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: used as a strategic weapon. He also took way too
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: many sack yards. There is a blessing and curse of
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the style of Randall Cunningham's play, which is really fun
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to watch, right? The Steelers used... stewart as a weapon
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and please let us not forget they went to an
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: afc championship game with cordell stewart as their starting quarterback
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: his start his record as a starting quarterback was 50
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and 34 um that 97 season i want to say
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: they went to the afc championship game where they lost
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: to the broncos but in 01 and two different seasons.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: That was the page that was the patriots one oh
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: right he was going to go home to new orleans
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that was the story because that superbowl was in new
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: orleans about 36.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Two different seasons. Cordell Stewart was the starting quarterback in
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, that's a thing. Like, I think it's so
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: easy to forget him because, again, like other brothers in
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: that situation, after he got a little bit bad, they
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: got him out the league.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And then I think about Pittsburgh. I think
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: about how intentional we still have to be, not just
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: with our conversation, but also just with some of these moves, like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin has had all black quarterback rooms. Going back
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: to earlier, you're talking about backups, guys being paid to
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: be backups. And by the way, backup quarterback is such
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a lucrative career path if you could do it. Everybody
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: wants to be the start quarterback. If you could hang
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: around for a bunch of years as a backup quarterback,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: you'll make generational wealth. But all jokes aside, and I'm
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: serious about this, backup quarterback, there was backup quarterback, we're
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: not going to have you start quarterback. you know, Jefferson
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Street Joe, you know, because we're going to start Terry
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Bradshaw versus like, you know, hey, we want you to
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: be the backup. A backup quarterback is a very important
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: position in terms of preparation, in terms of just navigating
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the quarterback room, in terms of internal politics. So you
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: got a backup quarterback, that's not just because he ain't
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: good enough. That's a strategically assigned position. It takes a
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: certain type of person to have longevity in that role.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: But Mike Tomlin has had all black quarterback rooms. I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: think another frontier that's necessary to continue to push is
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: black quarterback coaches because that quarterback coach is the pipeline.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: There's still so much progress necessary for head coach in
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the NFL. So the more we can get the Byron
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Leperches of the world to transition from being a quarterback
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: to being a quarterback coach and hopefully a head coach,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I know he's still waiting on that latter opportunity, That's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: another frontier, another area of progress that needs to be attacked.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Well, an important note that you made there, and regular
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: right-time listeners know what I'm about to talk about right now.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: One of the best things about having the proliferation of
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the black starting quarterback is that it then meant the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: proliferation of the black backup quarterback. Because if you are
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: a team and you have a black starting quarterback in
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: whom you believe, then the only way to keep the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: white people off of his keister is is to have
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: a black backup quarterback because if you have any if
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it you can have any white man in town as
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the backup quarterback he could be the president of the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: city council if you got any white man in town
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in town behind him oh no no it's gonna be
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a thing like there was a point at which where
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: i felt like the packers got it and then i
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: felt like they didn't i was like man you better
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: get you you better go get you on the black
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: house baby You got to go do that. But the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: idea that like, so Terod Taylor became bridge starter guy, right?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Which has to be an insulting job to have, but
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like he was, you know, such terrible luck. He was
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the bridge starter ahead of Baker Mayfield. And then when
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the Chargers poke a hole in his lung, so he
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: could go play with a broken rib. Let's talk about
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that in the first place. Like what that tells me
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: now is ain't no bull playing with broken ribs. We
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: done with that. Like I treat that like we got
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to treat calf strains after what happened to Tyrese Halliburton.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: No, we ain't doing this.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Calf strains to now. Yeah, no doubt.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: But that's, I mean, it's been a fascinating journey to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: think about. And I think about Like Dominique and I
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: always talk about how we got enough black quarterbacks now
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that we ain't got to lie, right? Like my daddy
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: ain't got to pretend. like Tony Banks is better than
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: he was. We don't have to, we don't have to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: masquerade in this, but I do kind of like think
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: back on some of the dudes and wonder some of
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the cats were like, if things had gone a little
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: bit different, if the times had been a little bit different,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: like I'll give you an example. Michael Vick is still
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to me in large part of what if now, of course,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Many of his problems were self-inflicted, right? Like just general
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: negligence and outright stupidity on his part, right? But at
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the same time, if you go back and watch that
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Virginia Tech offense that they ran, it was prehistoric. He
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: was not at all prepared to play quarterback in the NFL.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: But I remember that first year, but really like that
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: first month when Chip Kelly was with the Eagles and
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: they were putting that offense on the road and it
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: was Michael Vick. Can you imagine if a 23-year-old Michael
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Vick would have been deployed in a Chip Kelly offense?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I think the black quarterbacks who've been successful, you can't overstate,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: because people look at the obvious when it comes to like, oh,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you know, the racism, the racial epithets, the hate mail,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the booing, you know, the overt discrimination. But like, Man,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: having to do your job when you can't do that
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: job by being yourself, you got to show up and
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: be somebody else. That amount of pressure, for lack of
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a better phrase, the mindfuck that had to take place,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: whether it was Michael Vick, whether it was Donovan McNabb,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: being criticized because, hey, you can't do it from the pocket.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And then them trying, because I know McNabb in particular,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: they would not run And just to prove that they
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: could pray from the pocket, they constantly had to basically
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: defend themselves. And I'm not talking about verbally. I'm talking about, like,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: stop themselves from using their best weapon in order to
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: shut critics up. So the people that had to endure
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing or just had offenses that would
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: handcuff them and hamstring them from being the best they
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: could be. And then when they weren't great, like you said,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: they yanked her out of the league. Like, all these
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: dudes we naming, like, not only were they limited in
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: terms of how long of a chance they got, but
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: how good could they have been on top of how
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: good they were if they were just been unleashed?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I also feel like to a degree we learned
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that a lot of what they had been saying was lies, right?
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is Cam Newton proved
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that you could go for running a spread offense in
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: college and learn how to run. It was 401, I believe.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: But you learned that you could learn how to run
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: an offense in the pros after doing that. And that
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: was the whole thing. Well, you're not going to be
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: smart to do this. If you do this too much,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you'll get hurt. Like it was, I guess a lot
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: of concern trolling would be the term that a lot
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of people use. But we found out like the idea
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: that being fast was a bad thing.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Unless you're John Elway, right? But to be
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: fair to the old logic, I do think that history
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: has borne out and it's been true. You do need
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: to be able to do it from the pocket. Right?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Yes. No question.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: The problem was acting like being fast was a problem
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: in and of itself.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: But when you hear somebody like Steve Young talk about,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I had to learn to stand there and do it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And Steve Young, to this day, is the best athletic
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: quarterback in the history of the NFL.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't think we have.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I even qualify. Like, Steve Young,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: circa 1993, 1992, three, four, five. Might have been the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: best four-year stretch I've ever seen a quarterback play.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: It absolutely is. But it is so funny because a
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: guy that absolutely saw the value of mobility in your
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: quarterback was Walsh.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, he did.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Montana was not Steve Young, obviously, but part of the
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: appeal of Montana was his ability to get out, buy
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: some time, roll out, pick up some yards when you
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: needed them and get it done. And so this idea
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that being able to move was a problem. And since
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: they think they could all dance, think they could all run,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? And that's
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: how you wind up in a world where Lamar Jackson
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: has to not run the 40.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I also was thinking about your question earlier about trying
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to pinpoint inflection points. I know this precedes 2001. But
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: since we're kind of going a little farther back anyway.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: McNair, not only getting drafted, was it third?
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Third.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, third overall, but out of an HBCU at that.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Now, other HBCU quarterbacks, obviously,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: to be clear, Shaq Harris, Williams is a long list,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: but third overall in the modern NFL from an HBCU.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: That was another big deal at the time.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Well, also what is interesting about McNabb is I think,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and you could pull up rushing yard numbers all you want.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: That's fine. People think of McNabb. McNair, I'm sorry.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: McNair. Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: People think of McNair as a running quarterback in a
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: way that I do not because I saw him play
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: at Alcorn. They were dropping back with eight, nine wide
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: receivers if they could and just throwing the ball 70,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: 80 times. Yeah, I don't think people I think people
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: who had heard about McNair at Alcorn, I don't think
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: they really had a true idea of. what kind of
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: pass player he was. And he was a passer. That was,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: it was air McNair, not running McNair.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Right. Not ground. Not FedEx ground. It was air McNair.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: It was air McNair. And then once he got to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the league, as could happen from time to time, you
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: get more running with him. Case in point, North Turner
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: having Teddy Bridgewater run the zone read.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's when you said him earlier, I was thinking
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: about Bridgewater. Like what could he have been if he
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: not blown out his knees? Um, I had a thought
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: about McNair when you were talking about him. I lost it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It'll come back. I'm getting old. You said something about
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: McNair and I had a thought that I wanted to
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: chime in with, but I just lost it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, Steve McNair, this close to being a Super Bowl champion.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Think about this. One yard more, he's a Super Bowl
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: champion and may be in the Hall of Fame and
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Kurt Warner is not. I think McNair would be a
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: fringe Hall of Fame case at best, but he would
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: have a Super Bowl ring. Kurt Warner without that ring
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: is not in the Hall of Fame.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: You know how cold you got to be? to steal
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: half an MVP from Peyton Manning? Yes, he did. I mean,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Steve McNair is so cold. They said, you know what, Peyton?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to share this joint.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: You might be the golden boy. Yo, not even going
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: to lie. That is one of many moments that I
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: believe that if I were a white person and I
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: was trying to compile my see racism is over.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: List, that would be on the list it'd be right
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: there with adrian peterson 2012 nfl.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Mvp yeah paint man is too right like like see
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: there it is like i need to stop giving any
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: white people material not all white people just the ones
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: that would be looking for it.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: But making the big narrows all the frame but yeah
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: i mean with a super bowl win an mvp under
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: his belt um the numbers he compiled, the way he won.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Toughest quarterback, he don't take a backseat to anybody when
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: it comes to toughness. Dude would not practice all week,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: be in the training room all week on the trainer's table,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: barely moving and go out there and put his body
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: on the line. So yeah, man, you remember, just apropos
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: of nothing, you remember going to them dances, taking them
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: pictures with the fellas? Remember that Oilers number nine, how
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: cold that was? Oh, man. That's back in my jersey
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: collecting days. I just had a flashback of that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I now imagine Michael Smith in front of a blanket
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: with a picture of Alexis on it. With his Steve
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: McNair number nine jersey.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: With picture me rolling. I had my daughter cracking up
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the other day. I was talking about the after exam jam.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Them dancers in high school, man.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Bruh.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Bringing back memories.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: That's right, because you from one of them dancing cities.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I'm from Houston. Houston is not a dancing city.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: It's not? Y'all have talent shows called Explosion?
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Brother.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: We have talent shows.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Brother, I don't feel confident using the appropriate language necessary
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to explain the way that I believe that men in
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Houston view dancing, who is supposed to do it, and
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: why they are supposed to do it. But if you
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: look up the only song in Houston about a dance,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it was the South Side, and it is not a dance.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: It is simply moving your hands to either side to
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the beat. We are not a... And, like, I got
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: to Atlanta, and I'm like, what are all these men
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: out here doing dancing?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Well, just to be clear, just because when I say dance...
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I don't mean I was dead. I mean like a
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: sock hop as the old.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Folks used to call it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I know what you were saying. I get that. I
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: get you there.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: But you talking about like explosion or whatever?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't do it. This is going
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: to shock you.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: But at least you knew anybody. Brother, I'm just saying this.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But when you talk about the fact that the fellas
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: might have a dance group?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Nah, nah, nah.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: That didn't happen there. Let me tell you something funny
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: right fast before we go. You're talking about not being
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: able to dance. I can't dance either. I can't dance
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: to save my life, right?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Me neither.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And I was talking to a good friend of mine
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and he was talking about how his son can't dance
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and he can't dance, but he had to have a
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: hard conversation with him, which is... is as long as
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you're going to be black, brother, there is no opting
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: out of the dancing. If you at a party and
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it's a girl and you try to make it happen,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: you're going to have to dance at some point. There's no,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: you don't get to say, I don't do that. That
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: is not on the board. And unlike white people, you
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: will be judged. You need to know that, too. You
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: can't dance, you will be judged. White privilege is the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: dance floor. Do whatever you want. The beat is what
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: you say the beat is. That's what's going on there. But, brother,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you're going to have to get out there and do it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like you can opt out of the electric
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: slide or any of them country-ass line dances. You don't
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: have to do that. But the other stuff, nah, brother,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you're going to have to get in there just a
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Hey, all I'm going to say is, man, you don't...
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: You want to laugh. I mean, people have seen me
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: dance before. They're laughing at me, not with me. Let's
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: put it that way. Yeah, nah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: People have seen it. Nah, like I said, my favorite
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: dance move used to be when you pull your T-shirt
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: up a little bit. That was the best dance move
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I had to offer, really.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Swishing your body from side to side?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I ain't got a lot, brother. I ain't got
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a lot. I'm good at math, though. You know what
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: You're good at this talking thing.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: If we could go somewhere without all this loud-ass music,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I could regale you with all kinds of charms. Instead,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: you out here dropping it, and I'm trying not to fall.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: That's what's up, man. It's always a pleasure talking to you, bro.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you, man. Michael Smith, my brother. I will
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: talk to you soon.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I always feel like I go down memory lane. If
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: we'd have grown up together, man, we'd have been unfair.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: We'd have been unfair, to be perfectly honest. It would
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: have worked out well. They'd have wrote a Jet Magazine
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: article about the two brothers of the same block. Look
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: how far they done come.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: No doubt. Love you, man. Appreciate you.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Love you too, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much
• 51:17
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