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Janice Hisle - From the Epoch Times · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: The 55KRCD Talk Station. Happy Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas welcoming you to the 55KRCD Morning Show, the
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  Speaker 2: return of I hope you have a bookmark, Epoch Times, E-P-O-C-H, TheEpochTimes.com.
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  Speaker 2: Just don't put in EpochTimes.com. You know, some Chinese site
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  Speaker 2: that you won't be able to read unless you speak
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  Speaker 2: that language. Welcome back, Janice Heisel. It's great having you
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  Speaker 2: on the program this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have any, not to take you off on
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  Speaker 2: a cul-de-sac, but since I opened my mouth, I typed
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  Speaker 2: in Epoch Times and I, just to routine course in
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  Speaker 2: a search engine, and I came up with that. Do
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  Speaker 2: you know what that site is when you just type
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  Speaker 2: in epictimes.com? Have you ever looked into that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, we do have multiple languages. Our publication is
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  Speaker 3: in about, I think, 32 languages.
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  Speaker 1: All my words.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't read a word on the site. I can't
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  Speaker 2: read that language. So that is your site except in
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  Speaker 2: that language. Well, that's a fun fact. All right, I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad you're getting it. Your site has grown year after
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  Speaker 2: year after year with good reason. Terrific reporting, I have
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  Speaker 2: to point out. I rely on the site, I say
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  Speaker 2: literally every day, to get good material for the 55KRC
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  Speaker 2: Morning Show, including this article about Christopher Columbus. Now, as
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  Speaker 2: you observe, this whole anti-Columbus thing, tearing down statues of
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  Speaker 2: Christopher Columbus, including in Columbus, the city of Columbus, and
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  Speaker 2: other cities that are named after the man, This really
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  Speaker 2: took off after the George Floyd riots. It's like every
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  Speaker 2: symbol of American history all of a sudden became just
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  Speaker 2: the focus of demonization and anger and, oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: that's an illustration of evil white colonialism or whatever the
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  Speaker 2: arguments were. But this actually with Columbus started back in 1991,
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  Speaker 2: didn't it?
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's true. But in a way, it predates
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  Speaker 3: that because, as my article points out, there is a
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  Speaker 3: book that came out in 1980 that one woman I
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  Speaker 3: interviewed and many others actually feel was instrumental, like really
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  Speaker 3: pivotal in changing how most people view Christopher Columbus in
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  Speaker 3: this country. And that particular book has been assailed as
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  Speaker 3: taking a lot of liberties, shall we say, with accounts
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  Speaker 3: that were said to come from Christopher Columbus. Now, I
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  Speaker 3: was able to document that his diaries are actually lost.
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  Speaker 3: And so all the accounts that are said to be
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  Speaker 3: from him are really secondhand.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you take that, you cobble together. It's
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  Speaker 2: a People's History of the United States by this Zinn guy.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one where you say he's misrepresented. And he quotes...
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  Speaker 2: He allegedly quotes these diary entries from Christopher Columbus, which
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  Speaker 2: you point out do not exist and have been lost
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  Speaker 2: to time.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. And then on top of it, the woman I
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  Speaker 3: interviewed who wrote a book about this, she calls it
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  Speaker 3: debunking Howard Zinn, the author of that book. She points
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  Speaker 3: out that, you know, when you put ellipses, the little
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  Speaker 3: three dots, it shows, hey, I left out a few
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  Speaker 3: words here. What if you leave out two days of
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  Speaker 3: diary entries in between? So that's basically what she's saying
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  Speaker 3: is happening here, that things are being cobbled together, made
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  Speaker 3: to look a different way than they were really intended,
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  Speaker 3: and some things like that. Now, she also does say, though,
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  Speaker 3: that some of the Spaniards who were under control were
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  Speaker 3: or leadership of Christopher Columbus would not listen to him.
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  Speaker 3: And they did do some things that were just really,
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  Speaker 3: really awful. But she's saying, like, don't lay this at
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  Speaker 3: his feet. It's not his fault, basically. There are people
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  Speaker 3: who say that. So it's a very interesting backstory to
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  Speaker 3: all of this. And what's consequential about this for everyone,
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  Speaker 3: as pointed out in my article, is that some people
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  Speaker 3: might not care about Christopher Columbus, but you may care
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  Speaker 3: about another icon in history. And as one person put it,
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  Speaker 3: they may be coming for us today, but what about
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  Speaker 3: you tomorrow?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, without question. Without question.
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  Speaker 2: The Democrat Party, I would argue, and you don't need
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  Speaker 2: to agree with me or not, but it's starting to
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  Speaker 2: eat their own. It's been taken over and co-opted by
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of far-left socialists-cum-communists.
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  Speaker 1: Who are right?
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  Speaker 2: Going after the old school, more traditional Democrats and ousting
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  Speaker 2: them in primaries and telling them they shouldn't run anymore
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  Speaker 2: and disagreeing with them publicly. So they're finding themselves in
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  Speaker 2: the crosshairs of many Democrats given the direction of the party.
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  Speaker 2: That is my conclusion. You don't need to share it,
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  Speaker 2: but that's what I see happening. Yes, just wait for it.
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  Speaker 2: A moment in time forward, you're going to be the
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  Speaker 2: target without question. That's why we need to stop this.
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  Speaker 2: But what they do is, I mean, a couple of
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  Speaker 2: things is it goes on all the time with this
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  Speaker 2: People failed to put the conduct that was going on,
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  Speaker 2: in other words, him being an explorer in the 1400s,
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  Speaker 2: in the context of cultural history. People viewed the world differently.
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  Speaker 2: Christopher Columbus was considered rather heroic and daring. Many people
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't get in a boat and leave sight of the coastline.
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  Speaker 2: This guy was willing to circumnavigate the world if he
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  Speaker 2: could get a chance to do it. He had the
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  Speaker 2: financing for it. This is the beginning of a modern exploration.
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  Speaker 2: This is a world-globe-changing historical moment, is it not?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Well, in my article, I also pointed out that
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  Speaker 3: an astrophysicist who studies how human beings fit into the universe,
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  Speaker 3: he put it this way. I thought this was really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people quite grasp this.
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  Speaker 3: Christopher Columbus, by coming to the hemisphere, rejoined two populations
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  Speaker 3: of people who had been separated for, think about this,
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  Speaker 3: 10,000 years. After the Ice Age melted away, the land
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  Speaker 3: bridge that connected those two hemispheres was now submerged. And then,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we have people in the Western Hemisphere who
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  Speaker 3: don't know there's people over there in the East for
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  Speaker 3: the most part. Yes, there were a few Vikings and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but his journey was the first meaningful reconnection of two
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  Speaker 3: populations separated for 10,000 years, for better or for worse.
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  Speaker 3: That is, in fact, what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed.
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  Speaker 2: And this campaign that began on the 500-year anniversary of
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  Speaker 2: Columbus's voyage, or before it, going back to your point
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  Speaker 2: about Zinn's book, it Is it the legacy of European
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  Speaker 2: colonialism that's at the heart of this? Because, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the explorers pretty much came from Spain and Italy and
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  Speaker 2: European countries. They're the ones that went out in search
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  Speaker 2: of treasure and in search of conquest, and I understand
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  Speaker 2: all that. But that's the point about this, that they're
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  Speaker 2: angry at the ultimate historical reality that unfolded over hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of years since Columbus got.
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  Speaker 1: In his boat.
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  Speaker 3: That's a large part of it from what I understand.
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  Speaker 3: But then the other part of it is actually there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of misunderstanding. If you look at the history,
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  Speaker 3: it's true that Columbus himself never actually set foot on
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  Speaker 3: the shores of what is now the United States of America.
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  Speaker 1: That is a fact.
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  Speaker 3: And so there was a Native American woman who was
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  Speaker 3: arguing with a guy that I interviewed. And according to him,
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  Speaker 3: she said, well, he did terrible things to the Native
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  Speaker 3: Americans here in our country. And he's like, don't you
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  Speaker 3: know he never set foot here? And she just refused
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  Speaker 3: to believe him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I always find those things hilarious. This is history.
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  Speaker 1: This is real. These are facts. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: they're not.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. This is where we've come in society in these days,
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  Speaker 2: Janice Heisel. And are we making progress toward what I
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  Speaker 2: would argue is a more sane position to spring from,
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  Speaker 2: which is, okay, acknowledge that he did have some faults, perhaps,
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  Speaker 2: and that there were some bad things that happened as
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  Speaker 2: a consequence of exploration and colonialism. But there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: to be, there's a lot for Italian-Americans, Italians generally, but
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  Speaker 2: people generally speaking, to say that it's positive about Christopher Columbus.
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  Speaker 3: The Italian-Americans have absolutely pushed back. One of the things
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  Speaker 3: that really touched my heart and why I led my
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  Speaker 3: article with this is that think about this. Imagine these
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  Speaker 3: were your ancestors. I saw two men, one of whom
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  Speaker 3: his dad was involved and the other guy, his grandfather
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  Speaker 3: was involved. They were in Syracuse, New York. Their ancestors
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  Speaker 3: during the Great Depression put together literally nickels and dimes
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  Speaker 3: to try to put together this statue of And that's
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  Speaker 3: how their statue came to be. Nickels and dimes contributions
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  Speaker 3: from Italian-American people who at that time in history, got
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  Speaker 3: to look at the entire context here, were still coming
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  Speaker 3: out of being very, very discriminated against. In fact, this
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  Speaker 3: closely followed... Some of the movement toward getting statues to
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  Speaker 3: Christopher Columbus by Italian-Americans came right after the worst lynching
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  Speaker 3: in American history. Eleven Italian-American men killed in New Orleans
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  Speaker 3: over a death that happened, and they were trying to
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  Speaker 3: say that these people did it even though a court
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  Speaker 3: acquitted them. So, um, it was really, really horrible. And
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  Speaker 3: that actually also could be a movement toward, uh, honoring
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  Speaker 3: Christopher Columbus actually closely followed the massacre at wounded knee
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  Speaker 3: in South Dakota. So American Indians were originally involved in
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  Speaker 3: the dedication of some of these statues, including the one
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  Speaker 3: in Syracuse, which remains under threat of possible removal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The local native American tribe there changed its mind after
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  Speaker 2: a long, long time decided that it was an offense
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  Speaker 2: to them. And, uh, They want him out. Christopher Columbus statues,
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  Speaker 2: the subject of the Janice Heisel article over at TheEpicTimes.com.
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  Speaker 2: Columbus statues become targets across America. Italian-Americans are fighting back.
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  Speaker 2: It's a wonderful historic discussion as well as the status
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  Speaker 2: of where things are with these various Christopher Columbus statues. Janice,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for bringing it all to our
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  Speaker 2: attention and spending time with my listeners and me here
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  Speaker 2: on the 55KRC Morning Show today.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. And before I go, I do
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  Speaker 3: want to point out that there's a big, controversy in Columbus, Ohio,
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  Speaker 3: over this very issue.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there is. And you addressed that in the article
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  Speaker 2: as well. I would encourage my listeners to take a
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  Speaker 2: look at it. Joe's going to put a link on
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  Speaker 2: the blog page at 55KRC. com to your article, Janice. Keep
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  Speaker 2: up the great writing work at Epoch Times, and I
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  Speaker 2: look forward to having you back on the program again
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  Speaker 2: real soon.
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  Speaker 3: Excellent. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: You take care.
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