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We All Have A Giant Mess Brndon Kyle Goodman Has Made It A Podcast · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 2: Hi, how are you?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely I'm I'm very excited to talk with you. And
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Speaker 1: the reason why is because my father used to tell
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Speaker 1: me all the time what kind of a mess did
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Speaker 1: you get into? And then all of a sudden I
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Speaker 1: come across you and I'm going, oh, this is the
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Speaker 1: guy that would drive my dad crazy. I love what
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Speaker 1: you're doing, dude, yay.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to rite your dad crazy. This is great.
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Speaker 1: So what where did it even come from? Because I mean,
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Speaker 1: are you a former radio jock? And the reason why
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Speaker 1: I bring that up is because you do a lot
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Speaker 1: of things in here that is so radio that it's like, man,
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Speaker 1: I can tap into this guy. And why hasn't somebody
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Speaker 1: in New York tapped into you to put you on
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Speaker 1: their morning show?
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Speaker 2: I don't know you know not. I mean I used
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Speaker 2: to love the radio, grew up listening to Zee one
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Speaker 2: hundred in New York. Yeah, but it mainly came from
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Speaker 2: I was on a show called Big Mouth, and we
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Speaker 2: used to write about puberty and a lot of nasty, gross,
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Speaker 2: fun things about that time. And so it just gave
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Speaker 2: me the gape of permission to ask my followers tell
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Speaker 2: us someone to go to something messy. And it was
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Speaker 2: during the pandemic and everyone was home and they wanted
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Speaker 2: to be messy, and so they were telling me all
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Speaker 2: their fantasies and all their things, and I just received
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Speaker 2: throughout shame and it was fun, and we just kept
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Speaker 2: talking about it. And then it grew into this podcast
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Speaker 2: where we talked about relationships and identity in the bedroom
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Speaker 2: and all of it without shame.
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Speaker 1: See, it's everyday conversation. We're talking about it. We just
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Speaker 1: do it in our own little clicks. And then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, here you come along, and it's like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, you're letting me inside these private moments
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Speaker 1: of basically of just exploring messiness.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying, let's have a conversation out loud, because
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Speaker 2: we're either we're all pretending like we don't do something
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Speaker 2: or like we know and it's like, let's have the
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Speaker 2: conversation together. Let's, you know, let's like squash the shame.
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Speaker 2: Let's know that we're not alone and get to learn
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Speaker 2: all these things that impact our adulthood.
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you though, I know we talked about
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Speaker 1: my dad, but I have to bring in my grandma
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Speaker 1: Dobrinch too, because if she were to hear a story
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Speaker 1: about Sarah Jones, my grandmother wouldn't have words, she would
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Speaker 1: have sounds. She would go mm mmm mmmmmm and inside
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Speaker 1: my heart when you hear a story like Sarah Jones,
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Speaker 1: I'm going, Grandma, I know somebody in your family did
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Speaker 1: it or you did it too. She is not different.
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Speaker 1: It didn't come from oudam nowhere. She this is part
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Speaker 1: of our of who we are as human beings. This
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Speaker 1: is a mess.
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Speaker 2: It's a mess, yes, Sarah. You know it's funny. Sarah's
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Speaker 2: is she cheated on every partner. But she cheated every
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Speaker 2: partner with their potential. So your grandma might actually be
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Speaker 2: cool with that and not cool with that. But you know,
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Speaker 2: it's like we've done that. We've all we've all had
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Speaker 2: partners that we saw the best in them. We had
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Speaker 2: the fantasy, but we didn't actually next necessarily accept them
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Speaker 2: for who they were, and we were cheating on them
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Speaker 2: with their potential, not not with what was in front
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Speaker 2: of us.
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Speaker 1: Well see, and what I loved about Sarah's story is that,
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Speaker 1: you know, because it proves that we try to bind them,
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Speaker 1: shape them, put them in our own little you know, formation,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, wow, what happened to individually? You know,
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Speaker 1: individuality and Sarah just you know, it just puts us
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Speaker 1: in that place where we can all relate because if
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Speaker 1: we haven't been there, we've thought about it, We've thought.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, that's I mean, that's the point of
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Speaker 2: the show is that like, if you haven't done it,
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Speaker 2: you've thought about it or you know somebody, and so
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Speaker 2: can we just again all get together and unpack it
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Speaker 2: together and learn together?
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Speaker 1: So then how do you deal with these moments? Because
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Speaker 1: I am convincing it's only because I'm a daily writer
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Speaker 1: of thirty four years that when we have an experience,
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Speaker 1: we tend to reshape the story. How do you know
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Speaker 1: when you're getting the authentic story and they're not sitting
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Speaker 1: there bending it right there in front of.
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Speaker 2: You, You know, it's a it's a you know this,
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Speaker 2: it's like a vibe when you're like, I'm looking you
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Speaker 2: right in your eye, You're looking at me in your eyes,
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Speaker 2: and you can tell the energy. You can see when
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Speaker 2: somebody is making stuff in the head or when they've
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Speaker 2: actually opened themselves up. And we start the show a
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Speaker 2: lot of times with what we call a messy appetizer.
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Speaker 2: So it's a game of some kind which I usually
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Speaker 2: play to like disarm the guests. We give them a lollipop.
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Speaker 2: They win the game, so they get a lollipop, a
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Speaker 2: dumb dumb or a blow pop. And then we're sitting
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Speaker 2: there and we just start talking and and I know,
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Speaker 2: I know when they've like let their guards down and
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Speaker 2: when they're when they're speaking from the heart. And and
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Speaker 2: I think our audience feels it too.
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Speaker 1: You sit there and you think you think it Okay,
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Speaker 1: here we go. Now we're gonna dig in. Thank god,
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Speaker 1: we've got editing on that digital editor.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they're those ones where I'm like, oh, this
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Speaker 2: is this is perfect, this is perfect, And in my
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Speaker 2: head i'm producing, I'm like, okay that it's a good clip.
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Speaker 2: That's good. So are you trying to stay with them.
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Speaker 2: But it's great.
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Speaker 1: Are you like me in the way that when when
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Speaker 1: you are you taking notes? Because I'll sit here and
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Speaker 1: I jot down everything and then people, anybody coming to
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Speaker 1: the studio, they would never know what my notes are
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Speaker 1: because it's between us. It's you and me, is what
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Speaker 1: it is?
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I know I have my my producers are
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Speaker 2: taking copious notes and I'm on my phone usually looking
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Speaker 2: at the next thing to ask them. But I keep
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Speaker 2: really good mental notes as soon as they leave my
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Speaker 2: producers and are debriefing, and I'm like, oh that part,
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Speaker 2: this moment, this thing, especially when it's suff that for
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Speaker 2: me is new. I love learning new stuff from my guests.
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Speaker 2: When they've made me think about something differently than I
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Speaker 2: thought about before, it's it's the best feeling.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Brandon Kyle Goodman
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Speaker 1: coming up next. The name of the podcast tell me
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Speaker 1: something messy. Ooh la la, we are back with Brandon.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that you bring up, and I
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Speaker 1: challenge anybody who is a pet owner dog slander, dog
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Speaker 1: owner slander. I know we're all guilty of this. Oh,
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Speaker 1: we say some stuff and it's not always nice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, our guest Tevi Oddley, really had some choice words
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Speaker 2: about dog owners and calling dog owners and narcissists forcing
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Speaker 2: their dogs to love them. I love my dog, honestly.
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Speaker 2: My dog owns me, so I don't know what I
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Speaker 2: was talking about. My dog is in charge of this household.
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Speaker 1: So yep, oh yeah, Chazzy's sitting right behind me right now,
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Speaker 1: and you'll know if she's bored because she'll go, We're
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Speaker 1: and I'm seeing there going, I'm in the middle of
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Speaker 1: a conversation, dude, Come on now.
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Speaker 2: They've worked a full day. They're ready to move on.
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Speaker 1: So now, how do you know when you've got a
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Speaker 1: mess that you want to talk about? Is there something
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Speaker 1: that you feel? Do you go by that emotion or
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Speaker 1: is it something you go there's a story in everybody,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to get that strike. My mantra is
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Speaker 1: share your story or someone will write it for you,
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Speaker 1: and you're going after the story.
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Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, it's the gut. I usually sometimes
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Speaker 2: have a general idea of what I want to talk about,
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Speaker 2: like a subject matter that I'm interested in, and I
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Speaker 2: find the guests and I think we'll have that lived
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Speaker 2: experience or that expertise, and I kind of say this
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Speaker 2: is what I want to talk about, but then we
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Speaker 2: just go where it goes. So even though I prep
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Speaker 2: I leave it open for us to go on any
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Speaker 2: journey the guests to go down. But there's you know,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of conversations happening in my life, a
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Speaker 2: lot of conversations happening with with my own community, and
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Speaker 2: so when something comes up, I go, oh, that might
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Speaker 2: be a good thing to talk about on the show,
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Speaker 2: or oh, these people are navigating that thing that might
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Speaker 2: actually be something to bring on to the show or
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Speaker 2: find an expert to talk about that with. So usually
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Speaker 2: it's a gut thing for sure.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you you being a writer, that
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Speaker 1: means your guard is always up. You're always listening to
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Speaker 1: conversations you shouldn't be in. But you know there's a
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Speaker 1: story in there that's a podcast yepisode waiting to happen.
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Speaker 2: Always, always, my brain never shuts off from like, oh
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Speaker 2: that works, that's a thing, or that's something to write about,
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Speaker 2: that's that's an essay to write, that's a podcast episode,
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Speaker 2: that might be a TV show idea. My brain is
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Speaker 2: always going.
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Speaker 1: How do you deal with people that once you pop
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Speaker 1: that microphone on, they all become the actor. And that's
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Speaker 1: the main thing. I mean, you and I understand what
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Speaker 1: a real conversation is. But to the average schmoe who's
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Speaker 1: having a messing time, you know, it's like, how do
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Speaker 1: you make sure that they don't get into their Randy
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Speaker 1: radio kind of voice where they all got to sound
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Speaker 1: like a disc jockey.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I had a friend tell me when
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Speaker 2: I started my a podcast. She said, only interview the
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Speaker 2: people that you want to interview, And so that's that's
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Speaker 2: how I get how I do it, Like I only
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Speaker 2: interview with the people that I know will show up
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Speaker 2: and show up as themselves. So it's oftentimes like I
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Speaker 2: have some kind of connection to the guests or I've
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Speaker 2: met them through somebody, so I know that they're not
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Speaker 2: going to put on that thing, because when that thing
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Speaker 2: goes on, you know, it's it's really hard to break
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Speaker 2: because then that person has their own agenda as opposed
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Speaker 2: to being present with you. And the whole point of
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Speaker 2: the show is to be present and to be honest,
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Speaker 2: and and even more than honesty, be transparent about what's
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Speaker 2: going on, not not present something.
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Speaker 1: You know, we've lived this life before and they were
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Speaker 1: part of that. And somewhere along the way you said,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do a story on you one day.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna be, but now I've
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Speaker 1: got the microphone and you're gonna get it. No, I
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Speaker 1: truly believe that that everybody that we have conversations with
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Speaker 1: we've met each other before. Trust me.
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Speaker 2: I feel yeah, yeah, I love that absolutely. Our hearts
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Speaker 2: of met before, or our experiences have met before, and
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Speaker 2: so if you can tap into the humanity with each other,
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Speaker 2: it always leads to a really fruitful conversation.
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Speaker 1: So when it comes to the messiest moments, because that's
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Speaker 1: what everything is here, it says, tell me something messy.
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Speaker 1: What is the messiest? Is it love? Is it infatuation?
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Speaker 1: Or is it the breakup?
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Speaker 2: You know what? I think love is the messiest. The
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Speaker 2: breakers can be messy, but then you get over it.
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Speaker 2: But the love is the met because you're trying to
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Speaker 2: keep that thing alive. And so there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: learning each other's love languages, learning each other's triggers, learning
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Speaker 2: each other's traumas. And so I think it's the breakup.
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Speaker 2: We break up and it's over, and that can be messy.
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Speaker 2: But the love is what you're trying to maintain the thing,
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Speaker 2: and there's just so much that that can stand in
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Speaker 2: the way of that, and so I find that to
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Speaker 2: be the messiest part of part of life.
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Speaker 1: How do you handle those situations though, when someone claims
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Speaker 1: that they're getting rid of the evil monster, the perfectionist,
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Speaker 1: and you know, darn good and well, dude, there is
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Speaker 1: no such thing as getting rid of a perfectionist. But
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Speaker 1: yet the people will sit there and try to share
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Speaker 1: with you all this is the reason why I got
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Speaker 1: messy because I'm a perfectionist or they are, and you're going,
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Speaker 1: you're just gonna bring up my Grandma duo brains all
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Speaker 1: over again.
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Speaker 2: I know. I always say I'm a recovering perfectionists, and
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Speaker 2: that's a rule of the saw is that we're no,
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Speaker 2: I'm a recovery. Like you know that you never kind
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Speaker 2: of get rid of it, but it is always that
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Speaker 2: it's always there. That's I mean, that's what I'm always
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Speaker 2: looking for. I'm looking for people to be honest that
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Speaker 2: they're still in struggle. Right Anyone who's like I'm fully healed,
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Speaker 2: I don't really believe it. We're always healing, ing over
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Speaker 2: ed and so that's what I'm always looking for when
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Speaker 2: when people are talking to you, I'm looking for them
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Speaker 2: to be curious, to be asking questions, and to actually
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Speaker 2: be processing in real time, to say, this is what
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Speaker 2: I figured out, but also this is what I'm still
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Speaker 2: curious about, or this is what I'm still not so
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Speaker 2: sure about, because that's where the conversation gets good, because
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Speaker 2: we get to process together, we get to unpack together
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Speaker 2: and hopefully come to a new resolution. But the person
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Speaker 2: who already knows what they want to say or or
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Speaker 2: thinks they've already got to figure it out. I'm always
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Speaker 2: worried of that, because life is ever evolving. You can't
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Speaker 2: have it all figured out.
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Speaker 1: You know, because you're so upbeat and honest and transparent.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever find yourself in a conversation where you
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Speaker 1: now are the teacher they're seeking answers from you?
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I think, I mean, I always say that I'm
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Speaker 2: a teacher's pet more than a teacher about by nature
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Speaker 2: of doing by nature of doing this show. I think
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Speaker 2: there are sometimes where people will see me as a teacher,
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Speaker 2: and I always say, listen, this is what worked for me.
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Speaker 2: You know, I had a mentor who would say, take
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Speaker 2: what you need, take what's useful, leave the rest. So
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Speaker 2: I always like to preface that I'm not an authority.
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Speaker 2: I can tell you what has worked from my lived experience,
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Speaker 2: but then you've got to take that and make your
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Speaker 2: own blueprint. You've got to take what I've said or
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Speaker 2: what other people have said, and then figure out what
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Speaker 2: works best for you. But it's not a copy and paste.
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Speaker 2: It's not a one to one, and anyone that tries
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Speaker 2: to tell you that it is be wary.
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Speaker 1: I am so jealous of you in the way that
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Speaker 1: you are creative enough to where you realize that your
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Speaker 1: listeners they really do fit into a group, and you
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Speaker 1: call them messy patriots. I think that is so cool
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Speaker 1: that you would call them that, because I mean, they
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Speaker 1: get it and they feel like they belong. And isn't
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Speaker 1: that what we're trying to do when it comes to
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Speaker 1: podcasting and sharing stories. It's about engagement. So if they're
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Speaker 1: a messy patron, I mean, my god, that means I
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Speaker 1: see you, I hear you, You're part of me.
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Speaker 2: Let's grow. Absolutely, we're a community. I think that's we're
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Speaker 2: all looking for in these spaces, whether it's a podcast
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Speaker 2: or a radio show or you know, a digital series.
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Speaker 2: We're all looking to be part of a community and
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Speaker 2: feel I feel like we're not alone. You know that
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Speaker 2: we're we're all interested in something similar and can learn
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Speaker 2: together and can and can build those human connections. I
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Speaker 2: think that's what we all want, is that human connection.
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Speaker 1: How do you deal with clickbait? Because you know people
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Speaker 1: are gonna be tapping into the podcast or they're gonna
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Speaker 1: be reading something about you. They're gonna say, no, way,
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Speaker 1: no way, this is clickbait. And because I mean, you
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Speaker 1: really do give us a messiness in the way of you.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, you're transparent, you're very authentic and and
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Speaker 1: that's what I love about what you're doing. And but
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Speaker 1: at the same time, we've got those naysayers out there, Ah,
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Speaker 1: that's clickbait. Don't even go there, man, No it's not.
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Speaker 1: But how do you deal with that?
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Speaker 2: Dude? I gotta I do with it. As like they're
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Speaker 2: they're gonna they're part of it, They're part of this.
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Speaker 2: And so like there are people who who are gonna
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Speaker 2: want to be heard and we're don't want to be seen.
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Speaker 2: They're gonna be like I don't It's like, okay, great,
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Speaker 2: But as long as I find the people who it's for,
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Speaker 2: that's what matters. So I understand that the angry people
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Speaker 2: or the upset people are going to show up, but
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Speaker 2: they they go very quickly, you know, they just want
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Speaker 2: to be heard. They let their Twitter figures go and
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Speaker 2: then they're off to the races. Whereas the people who
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Speaker 2: it's for they stick around, they stay, they subscribe, they
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Speaker 2: come back. And that's that's why I show up for.
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Speaker 2: I show up for those people who go, oh, this
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Speaker 2: is for me, I need this, I want this, I'm
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Speaker 2: looking for this.
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Speaker 1: Where did it come from? This art that you have
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Speaker 1: where it feels like that you're talking with us, not
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Speaker 1: at us, but you're with us, because I mean, your
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Speaker 1: podcast will fit into my work out of the gym,
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Speaker 1: when I'm driving in the car and when when when
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Speaker 1: I'm up with other people and it's like it's like
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Speaker 1: how does this guy know where I am?
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Speaker 2: First of all?
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Speaker 1: And number two, how does he know what mood I'm in?
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Speaker 1: And it's like it's like how is this happening?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, I think I try to I always
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Speaker 2: try to start from where I am because I'm like,
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Speaker 2: you know, you know, like wherever I am, You're probably
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Speaker 2: in a similar place. If I show up as myself
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Speaker 2: and I show up with you know today I'm a
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Speaker 2: little litle energy. Today, I got a lot of energy.
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Speaker 2: I think people will go, oh, I feel that, and
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Speaker 2: I'm allowed to be where I'm at. And so I
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Speaker 2: think that's the big thing is that I never tried
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Speaker 2: to force my mood. If you know, their episodes were like,
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Speaker 2: I'm not feeling great, and I will say it, I'm
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Speaker 2: not feeling great today. I'm being a little sad today.
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Speaker 2: Here's why I think my willingness to share where I
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Speaker 2: am and show up where I am gives my listener
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Speaker 2: permission to show where they are and to literally be
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Speaker 2: a human, which is that you have all these different emotions,
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Speaker 2: all these range of feelings, and all of them get
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Speaker 2: to exist. You don't have to be one version of yourself.
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Speaker 1: I want to get a ticket to go backstage with
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Speaker 1: you here. And the reason why is because you have
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Speaker 1: so many incredible subjects and I know that they does chronologically.
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Speaker 1: There's no way they all fall into place at the
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Speaker 1: same time. Are you like me and you keep an
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Speaker 1: archive and you keep a catalog of Okay, I've got
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Speaker 1: all of these stories, which one is going to happen next?
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Speaker 1: And what do you have to feel on the inside
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Speaker 1: of your creativity that says this is my next episode,
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Speaker 1: this is the one we're going with.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have I have a lot of notes
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Speaker 2: in my notes up with like messy topics of stories,
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Speaker 2: my own personal stories, and it's honestly whatever feels the
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Speaker 2: most exciting. Yep. So there's one that I'm like, ooh,
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that. I need to talk
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Speaker 2: about that right now, where I need to get this out.
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Speaker 2: Then then we we lead with that one, and then
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Speaker 2: there's some that take a little bit of time to cook.
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Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, there's there's a there's a negative idea here.
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Speaker 2: We've done an episode similar to this, but is there
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Speaker 2: a new angle for that? And that might take some time.
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Speaker 2: But usually I try to follow if I'm excited about it,
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Speaker 2: because you know, it's it's a host led show, right
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Speaker 2: and so like when we as hosts are excited about something,
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Speaker 2: we can sell anything like I could talk about churning butter.
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Speaker 2: If I'm excited about it, then my my audience will
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Speaker 2: also be excited about learning how to churn butter. But
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Speaker 2: that's the most important thing is that, like I want
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Speaker 2: to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna show my age because I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna tell you something. We were in Ranchester, Wyoming when
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Speaker 1: I was a kid, and we used to really churn butter. Dude,
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Speaker 1: we used to do it, so I know how I'm messy.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We would go out and get the milk from the
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Speaker 1: cows and we would take that cream off the top
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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what we would make the butter from.
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Speaker 1: So when you say that, I'm going wait a second.
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Speaker 1: We have lived this life before, we've met each other,
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Speaker 1: before you.
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Speaker 2: Were on that as farther. Yes, love it. I love it.
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Speaker 1: So then what do you do with situations where people
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Speaker 1: don't want to vocally send out a message to you
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Speaker 1: to talk about it. Are you accepting regular email to
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Speaker 1: emails or even even snail mail? Because I mean to me,
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Speaker 1: that's where a lot of people become super brave when
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Speaker 1: they can put it on a page.
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Speaker 2: Yes, take an email me. I we have an email inbox,
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Speaker 2: tell me something message email dot com. And then we
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Speaker 2: also have an anonymous inbox when they can go to
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Speaker 2: something messy dot com and they can writen me something
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Speaker 2: anonymously and then on my Instagram every Monday. Today's Monday,
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Speaker 2: I do something called Messy Mondays, and so people will
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Speaker 2: submit their submissions or their questions via my Instagram stories
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Speaker 2: and I'll use some of those as well, So there
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Speaker 2: are multiple used to get to me and get to
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Speaker 2: the show. But yeah, I always keep everything anonymous, even
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Speaker 2: if somebody's name shows up. I always keep it anonymous
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Speaker 2: because I think it allows us to be that much
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Speaker 2: braver when we're talking. And so, yes, that's a politic
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Speaker 2: of the show. Your name will never be revealed, so
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Speaker 2: you can ask me whatever you want and we will
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Speaker 2: get the answers for you.
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Speaker 1: We get to talk about Taylor Tomlinson. I want I
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Speaker 1: want people to go to that episode. I don't want
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Speaker 1: them to skip anything, but I know I want them
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Speaker 1: to know about Taylor Tonalind soon because I mean, wow,
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Speaker 1: I was captivated with this one. I mean, I what
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Speaker 1: is it about Taylor that makes people go wow? And
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Speaker 1: you had to have gone wow as well.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Taylor's I mean, I love Taylor. Taylor and I
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Speaker 2: have we're actually having lunch on Wednesday. We love to
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Speaker 2: have our little lunch date every couple of months. We
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Speaker 2: have an adult friendship for sometimes we have to schedule
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Speaker 2: and reschedule and cancel, but we love each other every
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Speaker 2: time we see each other. She's a phenomenal storyteller. She's
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's just no one like her. She's an
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Speaker 2: incredible storyteller, and she's smart, and she's sharp, and so
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Speaker 2: sitting down with and also very open and honest as well.
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Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful combination of like sharp, razor wit,
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Speaker 2: but also like transparent and open and and not and
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Speaker 2: not afraid of her mess. Right. I think that's what
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Speaker 2: makes for comedy so relatable, as like she's willing to
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Speaker 2: say this is what I've been through, this is what
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Speaker 2: I'm wrestling with, this is what scares me, and this
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Speaker 2: is how I make it funny. And so she's always
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Speaker 2: a great person to sit down and have a chat with.
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Speaker 1: All right, between us two creative people, How the hell
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Speaker 1: did you go to two Pride Pride celebrations and survive it?
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Speaker 1: Because you know, darn goodin well one is gonna wipe
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Speaker 1: you out, and then you go to two. How the
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Speaker 1: hell did you get the energy to do two Pride festivals?
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Speaker 2: Dude? I know, I know, I had to sleep between that,
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Speaker 2: I took some naps. I beg there's some napping going on.
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Speaker 2: There was some napping. There's some energy drinks going on there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I mean, you know what it's like
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Speaker 1: to be out there with people out there. And that's
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Speaker 1: what I love about your podcast is that you make
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Speaker 1: it so freaking authentic NPR like, but it's not. I mean,
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Speaker 1: NPR is not going to get that credit anymore. It's
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Speaker 1: gonna be the podcasters who have the courage and the
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Speaker 1: confidence to go out there and take those listeners with you.
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Speaker 1: And you've got that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much, thank you so much. I
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Speaker 2: appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you got to come back to this show any
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Speaker 1: time in the future, because twenty minutes with you was
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Speaker 1: like the blink of an eye. Man, it was not enough.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'll definitely be back. I can't wait. We'll have
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Speaker 2: to do it in person next time.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I would love that you come down to Charlotte.
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Speaker 1: We'll make it happen, or I'll come up to you. Man,
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Speaker 1: it sounds good. Thank you so much. Will you be
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Speaker 1: brilliant today?
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Speaker 2: Okay, you too, I'll talk to you soon.