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Undertone: Is the Haunting Even Real? - Xenomania 92 · Xenomania

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  Jon: This week on Xenomania, a podcast receives a series of mysterious
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  audio files from an unknown sender.
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  The files start as a man is trying to prove to his significant other that
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  she does indeed talk in her sleep.
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  As the hosts, a man who believes and a skeptical woman, play the files,
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  they grow increasingly ominous as the woman suffers from nightmares
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  and sleepwalking, culminating in a brief, horrific recording.
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  Meanwhile, Evie, the skeptic, is caring for her dying mother and seems to be
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  suffering from a haunted presence herself.
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  Will Evie come around to the reality before it's too late, or will
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  her skepticism be her downfall?
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  This is Undertone.
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  This is Xenomania
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  Ryan: I was really scared in this film.
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  I jumped a couple times.
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  Kearns: Yeah, I jumped a bit too.
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  It was a freaky movie.
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  Of course, we're talking about Undertone and everybody, as you just saw.
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  but before we jump into the movie, John's got a thing about
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  this month coming up to talk
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  Jon: Oh, yeah
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  Kearns: this upcoming month, John?
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  Jon: Oh, we're- by the time you hear this, we will be practically to October,
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  and one of my favorite things in the world is the October Movie Challenge.
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  I create one just about every year.
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  It's in process as we speak.
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  Well, not as we speak, but, you know, ongoing.
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  I have 27 of the 31 days planned out.
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  when it's done, we're gonna post it on our socials and invite you guys to play along.
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  it'll probably serve to help launch a Patreon, 'cause I'll
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  pop on and do some reviews of some of the movies that I watch.
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  And listen, I definitely invite you guys to play along.
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  There's a scoring system.
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  There's some fun categories.
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  You'll find some movies you've never seen before doing it this way
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  Kearns: Cool.
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  Ryan: That is cool
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  Kearns: And John does it every year.
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  Jon: Pretty much.
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  I mean,
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  Kearns: a big month
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  Jon: I take it a little beyond just this challenge too.
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  I, try to get in as many horror movies as I possibly can.
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  Kearns: That is
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  Jon: I got to 83
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  last year, I think
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  Ryan: In a
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  Kearns: That's a lot.
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  Jon: In a month, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Kearns: a lot
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  Ryan: I think I did like, we, Jada and I did like 15 'cause
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  we try to do like the 31, and
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Ryan: made it to 15.
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  This year we're gonna, we're gonna try, so.
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  Jon: It's hard to do the 31.
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  Kearns: One for each week of the podcast probably.
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  Ryan: Well, that counts.
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  So you just got like how many?
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  26?
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  You just have 27 more to go.
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  Kearns: retirement.
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  Retirement and being an old man and having zero responsibilities
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  and doing whatever I want.
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  I'll probably just sit in a chair outside and not do any of this cool
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: I'll be able to do stuff like this.
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  But all
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: challenge.
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  Cool.
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  So Undertone's that is, first of all, I'm just gonna flame out the,
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  or throw out the first flame on it.
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  It's, Iron Lung a house.
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  It's Iron Lung in a house
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  Ryan: that's so far.
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  That's so far, 'cause Iron Lung is literally just in a tin can and this you
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  have movement, you have, like, suspense.
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  Kearns: They go, they go from one room to another room,
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  Ryan: But that's all you
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  Kearns: to another room
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  Ryan: That's all you need in
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  Jon: I,
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  Ryan: it scary, and that's what they do so well with even the audio and the lighting.
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  It, it's so done.
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  It's
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  Jon: I think,
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  Ryan: There we go
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  Jon: I think there are as many rooms in this movie as there are
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  on-screen acting performances.
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  I think it's
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  Kearns: Three
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  Jon: rooms and three actors.
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  Kearns: or,
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  Jon: Yeah, 'cause you, 'cause you really just have Evie, her mom, and
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  the visiting nurse, and everybody else is just a, a vocal performance
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  Kearns: Which is very Iron Lung.
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  Ryan: the
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  Kearns: That's my point
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  Ryan: could be just like, just a voiceover too, you
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  Kearns: It's true
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  Jon: Yeah, you don't see her, but there is a, there is a physical being there
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  Kearns: the, ASMR aspect of it and what they do with the audio is, the
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  key part of the movie that makes it shine and/or become annoying
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  depending on what audio you're listening to in the movie at the time.
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  Can be kinda
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: they- that's
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  Jon: Eek.
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  Kearns: aspect
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  Jon: Yes.
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  Yes.
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  And I, feel like this is a good time to bring something up real quick
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  before we dive too deep into Undertone.
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  What are some of you guys' favorite podcasts?
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  Kearns: like historically all time, probably the one that I've
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: the most would be Last Podcast on the Left.
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  I just en- that was such good comfort food.
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  I,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: got into that one with the Satanic government episodes, like
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  That, I mean, for that podcast, it was pretty early, and those
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: up.
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: up, it's, there's some real stuff there.
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  That's like, that's got to do with the, traffic issues and… See, I gotta be
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  careful with my words here, YouTube, and the, you know, the Tiny Tots and
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: and a guy named Larry King and all that.
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  But I, I listened to like probably 200 episodes of Last Podcast.
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  Now I just listen to like Huberman Lab and, adult wellness crap and stuff.
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  As I'm getting older, I'm getting more and more boring.
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  But yeah
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: bad.
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  It's not
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  I sa- I saw a live Last Podcast on the Left.
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  They, they were pretty good live.
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  Kearns: Henry Zebrowski's hilarious, dude.
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: He just, he has it.
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  Whatever it is, he's got it.
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  you ever see his show that was on Cartoon Network for a long time?
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  Jon: No.
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  Kearns: the
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  Jon: I think it's on Netflix now.
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  Kearns: Oh, even better
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  Ryan: were there like office assistants or something?
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  Kearns: They're demons.
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  That's all I know.
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  Jon: I, yeah, I'm blanking on the name.
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  I know what it is, it's just not
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  Ryan: Swim.
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  Kearns: Yeah
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  Ryan: I know what you're talking about.
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  That was him?
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  Kearns: was Henry Zebrowski, yeah.
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  Ryan: Wow
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  Kearns: Yes, sir. He's a comedian first.
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  He was a stand-up
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yep.
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  Ryan: thought he was just a podcaster.
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  Kearns: sir.
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  Ryan: really good."
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  Kearns: Well, he
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: the show.
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  It was Marcus and Henry at first, and then they brought in… Not Henry.
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  Marcus and whoever the other one is.
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  Jon: It was Ben Kissel.
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  It's somebody else now.
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  Yeah, they brought somebody, uh,
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  Kearns: Yeah
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  Jon: I'm blanking on who it is 'cause I'm a lapsed last podcast listener.
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  Ryan, where are you?
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  Ryan: I stick with wrestling, to be honest.
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  So I really listen to Talk Is Jericho.
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  I do like Chris Jericho's interviews,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: when he joined AEW.
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  And it's just like you get behind the wrestler's personality, what their
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  gimmick is, and how they're trying to bring back pro wrestling compared to
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  entertainment, which is what W- WWE is.
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  Um, I also listen to Busted Open Radio, which is a- all wrestling.
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  It just got bought out by WWE, so they've been picky on
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  what they're talking about, so
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: to that less.
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  And then when I used to, uh, carpool with my buddy Rob Trauma, shout out to
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  Rob, it was always fantasy football.
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  Kearns: Oh, yeah
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  Ryan: he like, on like two speed from 45 minutes to work, he would
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  listen to the entire podcast.
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  And I'm like, "You understand everything that's coming out?" And
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  he's like, "Yeah, these are good picks.
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  Don't worry." And I don't know how he did it, but that's,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: about what I listen to.
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  I'm not like a big podcaster guy, but like I've listened to
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  a little Last House on the Left.
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  I like them.
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  Um, I've
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  Jon: This podcast.
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  Mm-hmm
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  Ryan: you know.
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  Yeah, the podcast.
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  Like I… Couple of those.
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  Like I
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  Kearns: I used to listen to Rogan a bit.
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  I used to listen to the pod, uh, the Fight Companions and stuff.
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  The COVID era of Rogan, the Joe Rogan Experience kinda dropped me out of it.
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  I did Two Bears One Cave and Your Mom's House, Tom Segura, but he's
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  also fall- When, since he got rich, he's like, kinda sucks.
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  So I think he and his wife are getting a divorce too
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  Ryan: Oh yeah,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: uh, finalized
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  Kearns: they an- I remember they announced it on the podcast, and
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  I saw, like, a YouTube clip of it, and I was just, I did not care.
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  Like, why does that affect me in any way?
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  Jon: Maybe that reinvigorates the podcast.
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  Something.
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  Oh, geez.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: which is funny too.
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  So he'll do it sometimes, she'll do it sometimes.
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  I think
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: That is interesting
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  Kearns: Well, it's an IP, so they have to retain or divide ownership in a divorce
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  'cause they both own half of it, so it's kind of like tricky, but may those
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: never find me.
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Kearns: Yep
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  Jon: No, sir. Yeah
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  Kearns: Yeah, no thank you.
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  Ryan: I
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  Kearns: But yeah, that's,
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  Ryan: my DVD collection.
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  Kearns: that's the podcasts that we all listen to
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  Jon: Oh, I, I have a couple others out there, out there.
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  I have two by the same two guys.
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  Crime in Sports and, Small Town Murder.
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  Kearns: Okay
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  Ryan: Hold
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  Jon: Crime in Sports is all j- it's all just athletes who are criminals.
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  Like, it's, like, biographies of athletes who got in legal trouble.
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  It's so much fun.
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  Ryan: Did
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  Jon: You get to make fun of these guys.
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  Ryan: Like,
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  Jon: they-
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  Ryan: like, I mean, like they didn't cover like OJ first.
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  They like built up to it, or have they
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  Jon: No, no.
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  And I mean, they did OJ, yeah, but it's way more fun most of the
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  time when it's somebody you don't know of, or at least somebody you
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  don't know had legal problems.
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  But like some, the wrestling ones are always outrageous
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  Kearns: Yeah, I bet
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  Jon: but any sport where there's, a risk of brain damage, you
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  wind up with some wild stories
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  Ryan: Probably a lot of football.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: Yeah
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  Jon: There's no shortage of that.
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  But like I said, like sometimes the ones that like you've never heard of, they
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  did a, dart player, like an English darts player, and it was just off the wall.
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  This guy was getting arrested.
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  Like you don't have to train so you can just get bombed and
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  get in trouble all the time.
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  Kearns: Yeah, it's like bowling.
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  K-
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: is pre-
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  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And then
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  Kearns: stuff
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  Jon: the oth- the other one I listen to a lot is very, very
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  much like, um, last podcast.
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  It's called Necronomipod
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  Kearns: I know of that one too, yeah.
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  Jon: They do a lot,
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  Kearns: uh, from you I know it
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  Jon: they do a lot of similar things to, to Last Podcast.
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  They're, none of them were professional comedians.
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  just, you know, a guy who likes to tell stories to his two friends
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  while they hang out and drink
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  Kearns: Yeah, that sounds fine.
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  Sounds like my kind of Saturday night for sure.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Kearns: are, are a thing that's, that's hit and that they have not gone away.
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  A lot of people thought they would.
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  No, it's replaced certain mainstream media.
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  People get their news on podcasts now.
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  People do everything through that.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: you can be
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  Jon: Yep
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  Kearns: and get lots of money on podcasts
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  Ryan: Simpler.
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  the information straight to you.
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  You don't have to go through anything crazy
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  Kearns: Cozy corner style too, where it's like they're in the room with you.
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  Yeah, I'm lonely.
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  I wanna hear some people talking.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yep.
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  Yep.
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  Kearns: Indeed.
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  let's get back to the movie now.
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  Enough of this
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  Jon: Yeah, so, so I'll, I'll segue us right back.
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  Ryan: sappy
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  Kearns: So Ryan was
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Kearns: So Ryan, do you believe in the paranormal?
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  Ryan: I, yes, I do.
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  I have encountered the paranormal a couple times, and I, I do believe.
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  Kearns: You do believe, huh?
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  Ryan: Mulder.
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  I believe in the aliens, I believe in ghosts, the paranormal.
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  I mean,
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  certain things happen in this world.
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  Sometimes you can explain it, sometimes you can't.
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  And it's like this movie, right?
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  is unbelieving.
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  She's questioning the world.
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  Her co-host is
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  Kearns: she?
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  Ryan: Oh, Evie?
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  Sorry.
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  I was getting onto the tangent.
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  And then Justin's the realist at that point.
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  Evie being the skeptic and Justin being the believer, I feel like
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  there are scenarios in this world where there have been demonic
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  encounters and, like, they mentioned it with the history books and stuff.
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  I believe that has existed in the past, exorcisms and all that.
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  It's just we don't hear a lot about it
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  Jon: Well, I, I'll say this.
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  Kearns: Exorcisms is a good place to go for the whole
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  belief in the paranormal thing
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm
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  Kearns: like the church.
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  So if there's stuff like that going on, you know, okay, there
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  might be something to this.
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  Could it have been, uh, to their benefit in some way?
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  Sure.
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  To make up demonic possession for means of control and stuff like that?
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  Sure.
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  But they didn't really that.
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  They tried to keep it under wraps and stuff.
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  So yeah.
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  personally, I've never encountered the paranormal.
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  I've encountered spooky weirdies, I've… but I've never seen a ghost or, you know,
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  something happen where I was like, "Oh yeah, that's definitely a, something
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  from another world," kind of thing.
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  We were in the woods doing through-hiking once.
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  We're all going to sleep.
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  It was like hikers' midnight, so like 10:30 maybe.
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  And, uh, just s- horrible screeching, awful noise ran through, and it was
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  most likely a screech owl or something like that up in the, uh, Adirondacks.
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  that would be the closest thing to my body being like, "That's a demon
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  coming for my soul," I've ev- We all got out of our tents with hatchets,
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  and knives, and stuff thinking we're gonna fight, like, the Wendigo.
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  was, it was an a tr- it was trippy.
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  And it was cool too, but it was, it was trippy.
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  Ryan: Do you, do you believe in the paranormal?
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  Jon: I want to.
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  Ryan: Have
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  Kearns: Makes for more fun
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  Jon: Nope.
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  Ryan: All right.
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  There's an insane asylum, Upstate
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  Jon: know what you're talking about.
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  I've driven through there.
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  Nothing.
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  Ryan: have you,
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  Jon: Nothing
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  Ryan: have you walked the grounds?
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  Jon: No, no.
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  But I've g- I've go- I've gone into allegedly haunted houses.
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  I've done all that stuff and nothing.
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  I wanna believe in it.
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  I, I think the world's a lot more interesting if that kind of stuff is real.
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  I don't know that it is.
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  I, I think it's…
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  I, I'm way closer to Evie than you guys are in this.
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  Like, I'm
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  Kearns: Um, well, um, I'm with you more so.
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  The, the other thing, Ryan, was There's a restaurant in
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  St. Thomas the Virgin Islands.
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  Have you ever heard of, um… Well, there, there- So basically when the,
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  whoever took it over, the British or whomever, the Dutch, whatever,
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  they brought their wife down, the governor, and she hated it there.
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  And apparently, like, she threw herself off some, like a cliff into the sea
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  there, and she haunts the restaurant.
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  And one of my family members was in the bathroom and came out of the
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  stall, and there was, like, hand soap dispensed all over her purse
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  that she put on the counter, and nobody had come in the bathroom.
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  Easily explainable in 10,000 different ways, but that one gave me chills
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  probably 'cause I was young at the time,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: what was the, the
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: called, it came on the History Network.
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  Yep, Smalley's Inn.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Ryan: has had some incidents, like
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: the steps and stuff
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  Jon: I went there.
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  You know what was creepy about that place?
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  Kearns: The food?
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  Jon: The o- the owner, who just stood in the corner and stink-eyed you all night.
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  Like, that's the creepiest thing about that place.
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  They tried, they tried real hard to make it creepy.
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  The only thing creepy was that dude
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  Ryan: heard stories.
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  Man, that, that's disappointing then.
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  All right, I still got the insane asylum
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  Listen, it was like a movie.
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  The clouds rolled in, the doors were shaking all at once, lightning flashing.
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  Kearns: Oh boy, like live?
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  Oh, I feel it coming back again a roller.
• 17:10
  And then you turn around and it's the whole band
• 17:13
  Jon: Yep.
• 17:14
  Ryan: I don't know.
• 17:14
  Jon: Yeah.
• 17:15
  Ryan: we went to an abandoned
• 17:16
  Jon: Ed Kowalczyk is standing and staring at you
• 17:22
  Ryan: Some, some was staring.
• 17:24
  I don't know.
• 17:24
  Kearns: Dolphins cry.
• 17:30
  So Brian, Brian's a belieber
• 17:33
  Ryan: Oh,
• 17:34
  Jon: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Ryan: get my peaches down in Georgia.
• 17:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah
• 17:38
  Kearns: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:40
  All right, so what we're gonna do for the rest of this episode is we're gonna,
• 17:43
  we're gonna speak like this, okay?
• 17:46
  Because
• 17:46
  Jon: Please
• 17:47
  Kearns: apparently teaches you that you have to speak like
• 17:51
  that in a pod- It's super quiet.
• 17:54
  It's,
• 17:55
  Ryan: ASMR-ing it
• 17:56
  Kearns: it's super
• 17:57
  Jon: a… Yeah, it's a very, very quiet movie.
• 18:02
  There's not even much score until, like, the last 15, 20 minutes.
• 18:06
  There's, you know, there's the screaming on some of the audio
• 18:10
  files, but it's really quiet
• 18:13
  Ryan: But that's what creates the perfect atmosphere.
• 18:16
  'Cause, like, I feel the last time I felt like this was when we watched
• 18:21
  Evil Dead Rise, 'cause I said I was, I got scared at this f- of that film.
• 18:25
  With this, I felt like it was a different scare, 'cause I
• 18:29
  was waiting for jump scares.
• 18:30
  I was waiting for the expectation of, like, the loud noises,
• 18:35
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 18:35
  Ryan: that's what that quiet does.
• 18:36
  And it really does it in a subtle way where you do or you're like, you jump
• 18:41
  and you feel the chill, but you can continue watching it and enjoy it, and
• 18:46
  be like, "Okay, I'm ready for the next thing." And I think it does well because
• 18:50
  it's different in the sense where all horror films are mostly visual, and now
• 18:55
  you're using the auditory for it, I think that's a smart way to go, especially
• 18:59
  for this film, and they, they nail it
• 19:04
  Kearns: But that's the-- it's all they got is the auditory for most of the movie.
• 19:09
  True.
• 19:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:10
  Kearns: So it's like that's what they have to rely on, so they have to do it well.
• 19:13
  And the very quiet is the gimmick with me was like, all right, so when
• 19:16
  it gets not very quiet, they're gonna scare the piss out of you, and that's
• 19:20
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:20
  Kearns: what they do, which
• 19:21
  Jon: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Kearns: It's disquieting 'cause you're sitting there and you're like, "I know
• 19:25
  it's coming. I know it's coming." I should have put on the, the noise-canceling
• 19:29
  headphones for my PS5 while watching it.
• 19:32
  That would have made it even better.
• 19:33
  Ryan: Ooh,
• 19:34
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:34
  Ryan: good
• 19:35
  Jon: Yeah, I th-
• 19:35
  Kearns: that for The
• 19:36
  Jon: probably a really good
• 19:37
  Kearns: Rose, bro.
• 19:38
  W- way back in the day, I was using, like, the, infrared wireless headphones
• 19:44
  way back in the day for Exorcism of Emily Rose, sitting on my bed, and
• 19:47
  the computer was, like, 10 feet away.
• 19:49
  And when she screams in the barn, my entire head almost exploded.
• 19:55
  I was like, "Oh, God."
• 19:58
  Ryan: You take a chance when you're watching, like, a really good horror film
• 20:01
  with those intense scenes, and it goes
• 20:03
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 20:04
  Ryan: games too, especially when you've got the headset on, 'cause
• 20:07
  you're so intertwined with it.
• 20:10
  Like, it puts you into it, I feel, more
• 20:12
  Kearns: does
• 20:13
  Ryan: to it on a soundbar.
• 20:15
  Like, I gotta sh- I shut things off sometimes, like,
• 20:19
  'cause it gets a little intense
• 20:21
  Kearns: It's scary.
• 20:22
  Ryan: I mean, I make the atmosphere.
• 20:24
  I shut off all the lights.
• 20:25
  The TV's just blasting like it's Dolby 500.
• 20:28
  Kearns: Mm-hmm
• 20:29
  Ryan: dark.
• 20:29
  I don't know what the hell's going on in there, you know?
• 20:34
  Kearns: No, I'm with you on that.
• 20:35
  Um, you gotta do that part.
• 20:38
  But
• 20:38
  Jon: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Kearns: would you be able to listen to that podcast?
• 20:41
  Would you find it boring as hell
• 20:44
  Ryan: I like them.
• 20:45
  I feel though they're characters.
• 20:48
  So I was thinking about us while watching it, and I feel like what
• 20:52
  works for us is we are ourselves.
• 20:55
  Kearns: Yeah
• 20:56
  Ryan: us.
• 20:56
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:57
  Ryan: we are.
• 20:57
  While with them, I just kept hearing, "Get back into character. Get back into
• 21:01
  character." And yes, viewers, this is us.
• 21:04
  We're not characters.
• 21:06
  We
• 21:07
  Jon: I,
• 21:07
  Ryan: characters, but we're not
• 21:08
  Jon: I'm, I mean, I think there's a little character in us when we're doing this.
• 21:13
  Like, I, this,
• 21:14
  Ryan: it…
• 21:14
  Jon: there are definitely elements of me that I play up some on here,
• 21:18
  and I think that's what they do.
• 21:19
  Like, I think Evie's probably very naturally skeptical, and Justin probably
• 21:25
  winds up somewhere more in the middle, but it works better for them if he's,
• 21:30
  like, the true Fox Mulder believer
• 21:34
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 21:35
  The cat just scared the piss out of me, by the way.
• 21:37
  She jumped up on the table and knocked something over.
• 21:39
  Did you see my head break
• 21:40
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 21:42
  Kearns: Scared the piss out of me.
• 21:45
  Oh, that was funny.
• 21:47
  Um, the Fox Mulder.
• 21:49
  Yeah, that's a good point.
• 21:50
  I want to believe
• 21:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 21:53
  Ryan: Fi- it was very Fox Mulder.
• 21:54
  Like, I got that vibe, and it wasn't, like, a bad, like,
• 21:58
  interpretation, but I agree with that
• 22:03
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 22:04
  Jon: that's what would make something like that interesting.
• 22:07
  If you put, if you listen to a podcast like that and we're both just like, "Oh
• 22:11
  my God, this is real. Holy cow. Holy cow." Like, I, I mean, you need, you
• 22:16
  need a pushback on some things sometimes.
• 22:19
  I think that's when we're at our best, when there's someone
• 22:21
  pushing back on an opinion
• 22:24
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 22:26
  Ryan: I agree with that.
• 22:28
  Agree with that
• 22:31
  Kearns: Our next bullet point just says, "Spouse is
• 22:33
  sleeping." So I'm gonna call that
• 22:37
  Jon: The,
• 22:37
  Kearns: Uh, what do you
• 22:38
  Jon: the,
• 22:38
  Kearns: one?
• 22:39
  Jon: this a, this is a very,
• 22:41
  Kearns: sleeping
• 22:41
  Jon: specifically me thing because th- those audio files could
• 22:47
  have been recorded in my house.
• 22:49
  Kearns: Mm-hmm
• 22:50
  Jon: is a notorious, notorious sleep talker
• 22:57
  Like she has whole conversations some nights and
• 23:00
  Ryan: thought you were gonna say snoring
• 23:03
  Jon: Uh, that too, but like the, what, the one that gets me is I, I would say
• 23:09
  maybe three or four times a year, in the middle of the night, there's a scream.
• 23:16
  It doesn't sound like it's coming from her, like it's not a
• 23:19
  scream sound that she would make.
• 23:22
  She just screams
• 23:24
  Ryan: Okay
• 23:26
  Jon: It doesn't, it's not her scream.
• 23:28
  I'm not… And then it happens and I wake up and that's the end of sleeping for me.
• 23:32
  And I've always said I'm gonna record this one night so you can
• 23:36
  hear it, 'cause she doesn't believe that it happens, but it does
• 23:42
  Kearns: Did you ever get her?
• 23:43
  Do you ever get
• 23:44
  Jon: No.
• 23:45
  No, it's almost im- because it happened, like I'm asleep when it happens.
• 23:49
  I'd have to sit up pretty much every night and record it
• 23:54
  Ryan: You gotta do what, uh, Mike did.
• 23:57
  Get that old school tape recorder
• 23:59
  Kearns: That sounds
• 24:00
  Jon: I,
• 24:01
  Ryan: What?
• 24:02
  Jon: I, I, I, I'm not, I'm not interested in recording the whole night because I
• 24:06
  don't wanna know what I do in my sleep
• 24:11
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 24:12
  Well, that's like, um, the reason why paranormal activity was so
• 24:15
  effective because freaky to think of
• 24:19
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 24:20
  Kearns: vulnerable state
• 24:21
  Ryan: You, you really thought the first one was freaky?
• 24:24
  Kearns: The first one was freaky.
• 24:25
  Ryan: I did, I thought the s- real quick, the second one was a little bit scarier.
• 24:29
  I enjoyed the second one more than the first one, actually
• 24:32
  Kearns: And then they went Rosemary's Baby 'cause they ran
• 24:34
  out of ideas with the third one
• 24:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 24:36
  Ryan: I got a good joke out of that theater.
• 24:39
  go down there
• 24:41
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 24:42
  That
• 24:42
  Ryan: Thank G-,
• 24:43
  Kearns: it, it hit hard?
• 24:44
  Ryan: Thank God they laughed.
• 24:45
  I d-, it was tense.
• 24:48
  Kearns: I bet
• 24:49
  Ryan: Are you, are you looking for the demon?
• 24:51
  Kearns: No, I'm staring at the cat.
• 24:53
  Cat's being weird.
• 24:55
  It's not… And I'm not worried about the paranormal, I'm worried
• 24:57
  about her para-pissing on my couch
• 25:00
  Ryan: The, well, speak about cats.
• 25:02
  Real quick, for our podcasters out there, um, I actually want
• 25:07
  to mention this to you guys.
• 25:08
  Did you guys see the new, um, species that's out?
• 25:12
  Kearns: Yeah, the, something came over my newsreel, but I did not read it yet
• 25:19
  Ryan: a s- it's smaller than a cat, full-grown size, and
• 25:22
  it looks like a leopard.
• 25:25
  Jon: Boy
• 25:26
  Kearns: new as in they made it, or new as in
• 25:28
  Ryan: It just popped up.
• 25:30
  They just, it just came out of nowhere
• 25:33
  Kearns: Pretty gnarly stuff.
• 25:35
  What is she doing?
• 25:36
  Ryan: breed, but I know you guys are cat lovers and
• 25:40
  Kearns: We are
• 25:40
  Ryan: be cat lovers who are listening.
• 25:42
  I thought it was cool information.
• 25:44
  Kind of cut the tension in this whole scary demon talk right now.
• 25:49
  But with them sleeping, right, I, I understand.
• 25:52
  I had the same conversation with Jada 'cause she snores, and we go
• 25:57
  back and forth of both of us snoring.
• 26:00
  I'll just wake her up.
• 26:01
  I'm very like, "Hey," you know.
• 26:03
  But she has recorded me snoring after I denied, and it's,
• 26:07
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:08
  Ryan: it's bad.
• 26:10
  it's bad.
• 26:11
  Jon: I don't snore.
• 26:13
  It surprises everybody.
• 26:14
  I don't snore
• 26:16
  Kearns: I don't snore either.
• 26:17
  I, um, I do talk every once in a while.
• 26:19
  I think the last thing I said when we were on vacation in Maine, 'cause we
• 26:22
  were all sleeping in the same room, was like, "I'm, I'm gonna burn them out."
• 26:25
  Kim was like, "You said something weird in your sleep." I was like, "Well,
• 26:28
  Jon: That,
• 26:29
  Kearns: of weird things when I sleep too, so…"
• 26:31
  Jon: that, that's gotta be real comforting for your family.
• 26:35
  Kearns: Gonna
• 26:36
  Jon: Burn 'em out
• 26:37
  Kearns: I'm gonna burn him out.
• 26:38
  So it's true, she did accuse me of saying that, and I believe her.
• 26:41
  Um, I have some- I've been having some trippy dreams lately anyway.
• 26:45
  I've been waking up being like, "Oh, that's like a layer cake of weird going on
• 26:49
  there." But, this movie I think nails the tension aspect with the nursery rhymes.
• 26:54
  Let's talk
• 26:54
  Jon: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Kearns: quick.
• 26:56
  Ryan: Is that true?
• 26:57
  Jon: What?
• 26:58
  The origin of Baa Baa Black Sheep?
• 27:00
  Ryan: well, I mean, like, J- so we got into the conversation today about
• 27:05
  this too today, Jada and I, on the idea of like the nursery rhymes,
• 27:10
  like having this bad history, right?
• 27:13
  with unaliving and all that.
• 27:15
  like
• 27:16
  Kearns: Well,
• 27:16
  Ryan: it's an
• 27:17
  Kearns: around the rosy
• 27:18
  Ryan: Well, yeah,
• 27:19
  Jon: Yeah.
• 27:20
  Re…
• 27:21
  Ryan: But like if you hear it in reverse, do you believe that's true?
• 27:25
  Jon: No.
• 27:26
  Ryan: Okay.
• 27:26
  Jon: think, I mean, 'cause there's not, like, a standard recording.
• 27:31
  I mean, is there, are there recordings where there's something backwards?
• 27:34
  Sure.
• 27:35
  Probably
• 27:35
  I think there may be recordings of nursery rhymes that have contained something
• 27:40
  backwards, but i, I mean, as a whole it's not real because there's not a single
• 27:45
  standard recording of a nursery rhyme.
• 27:48
  There's just sort of, you know, people have, uh, recorded them all
• 27:52
  throughout the history of recording.
• 27:54
  But I did f- I fo- I found some interesting ones, and I, we can start
• 27:58
  with Baa Baa Black Sheep since it's one that's featured in Undertonen.
• 28:04
  Um, so it's based on a wool tax imposed by Edward I, um, as a way to… Yeah,
• 28:13
  it's a, he did it as a way to pay off the massive bills racked up by the Crusades
• 28:19
  Kearns: Yeah, that sounds about right.
• 28:21
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 28:22
  Kearns: lead to a lot of revolutions and stuff, by
• 28:24
  Jon: yeah.
• 28:25
  Ryan: Yes, it
• 28:25
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 28:26
  Kearns: we don't like taxes.
• 28:28
  Jon: Yep.
• 28:29
  No.
• 28:30
  Ring Around the Rosie is a controversial one because, like, it's become,
• 28:35
  like, part of accepted history that, it's based on the plague,
• 28:39
  the bubonic plague and, and that.
• 28:42
  There's some questions about that because they can't find
• 28:45
  evidence of it, like, that early.
• 28:49
  So it could've been based on it afterwards, but they can't find
• 28:54
  evidence that that particular rhyme existed during the plague.
• 29:00
  Kearns: Right
• 29:02
  Jon: but, like, Mary I, AKA Bloody Mary, is responsible for two of them.
• 29:08
  one, Mary, Mary Quite Contrary, is her garden is England.
• 29:13
  the contrary refers to the persecution of Protestants.
• 29:17
  Uh, silver bells and cockle shells are torture devices.
• 29:22
  Kearns: Ooh, I
• 29:23
  Jon: Uh-huh.
• 29:24
  Kearns: it
• 29:25
  Jon: Three Blind Mice is also supposedly based on her, back to, again, persecuting
• 29:32
  Protestants, this time three Protestant bitch- bishops who, uh, were…
• 29:39
  Yeah, that wa- that was a, that was an interesting slip.
• 29:42
  There's probably something behind that.
• 29:43
  Um, who were tortured and executed at her demand.
• 29:50
  but yeah, nursery rhymes are pretty messed up.
• 29:52
  Uh, Georgie Porgie, King George IV.
• 29:55
  Um, the pudding pie is a reference to his weight.
• 29:59
  Uh, he allegedly had a 50-inch waist.
• 30:03
  Kearns: That's a big boy.
• 30:04
  Ryan: huge
• 30:05
  Jon: big, big boy.
• 30:06
  Kearns: that's a big boy
• 30:07
  Jon: and making the girls cry re- actually refers to his sexual appetites.
• 30:13
  He was apparently quite prolific
• 30:18
  Kearns: For such a big dude too.
• 30:20
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 30:21
  I mean,
• 30:22
  Kearns: it's gotta be the king, I guess
• 30:23
  Jon: yeah, it's good to be the king, baby
• 30:26
  Kearns: All right.
• 30:28
  See, and nursery rhymes being creepy, the, the first one I ever heard that
• 30:31
  creeped me out was the one from f- from, um, Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 30:34
  Ryan: Yep.
• 30:35
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 30:35
  Kearns: a nursery rhyme, right?
• 30:37
  Ryan: Yeah
• 30:37
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:38
  Kearns: Freddy's Yeah.
• 30:40
  Jon: Yep.
• 30:42
  Yeah, that's a good one
• 30:42
  Kearns: stuff.
• 30:43
  Ryan: I mean, you
• 30:44
  Kearns: Creepy stuff
• 30:45
  Ryan: nursery rhymes and you don't think anything bad when you're a kid,
• 30:48
  but then as you grow older and you hear it, it's like, "Wow, this is
• 30:51
  some, some dark stuff right here."
• 30:53
  Kearns: Yep.
• 30:55
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:55
  Ryan: You know?
• 30:56
  Kearns: The, whole, like, idea of singing that to one of my kids as
• 30:59
  they're going to sleep is a huge no-go.
• 31:03
  no-go.
• 31:05
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 31:05
  Kearns: let's pivot to the witching hour here.
• 31:07
  That's a big part of this movie.
• 31:09
  And we did bring up Emily Rose earlier.
• 31:10
  Exorcism of Emily Rose leans on the witching hour quite a bit with regard
• 31:15
  to being visited by the paranormal entities that are them, quote-unquote.
• 31:22
  So the witching hour is big there.
• 31:24
  What is the witching hour, everybody?
• 31:27
  Ryan: 3:00 in the morning when all the creepy ghouls come out, witches,
• 31:31
  skinwalkers, uh, demons, anything you can imagine, they come out to cause havoc.
• 31:38
  And I feel like in every paranormal film, the 3:00 is the biggest
• 31:44
  thing because that's what we know.
• 31:46
  And it goes back to centuries, I feel like the 1800s, um, with the
• 31:51
  Salem witch trials and all that
• 31:53
  Kearns: Is it universally accepted that it's 3:00 AM?
• 31:58
  Ryan: That is a
• 31:58
  Jon: I don't, I don't think it is.
• 32:00
  Ryan: be more of an American
• 32:02
  Jon: yeah, I had always thought it was midnight to 1:00
• 32:08
  Ryan: Really?
• 32:10
  Jon: That, that's what I grew up thinking.
• 32:12
  Kearns: I wonder if that's because of The Exorcism of Emily
• 32:14
  Rose though, 'cause that's what
• 32:15
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 32:17
  Kearns: never thought about it prior to that, so it might have
• 32:21
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 32:21
  Kearns: mind
• 32:22
  Ryan: I always thought it was 3:00 AM
• 32:24
  Kearns: Is there any chops to it?
• 32:25
  I mean, I wake up, if I wake up and it's 3:00 AM, like on the nose,
• 32:29
  I freak out a little bit inside
• 32:32
  Ryan: I, I do that a lot actually, funny enough
• 32:36
  Jon: Wake up at exactly
• 32:37
  Kearns: That
• 32:38
  Jon: 3:00 AM.
• 32:43
  Kearns: Yeah, I'm sure
• 32:44
  Jon: Um, but, but does it follow time zones?
• 32:52
  Is the witching hour time zone specific?
• 32:54
  Kearns: following… 'Cause I- you're poking holes in it, but it would
• 32:58
  really m- it wouldn't matter because the, it's the, where the, you know,
• 33:02
  where we are in our, or where you are in the revolution, you know?
• 33:07
  So it's
• 33:08
  Jon: So it's Earth-based, not time-based.
• 33:11
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 33:12
  Jon: It's,
• 33:13
  Kearns: it would have to be because time as a, a concept can't be
• 33:16
  quantified that way due to relativity.
• 33:19
  So time is not something that's constant,
• 33:23
  Jon: Okay
• 33:24
  Kearns: we all know, right, listeners?
• 33:26
  If the higher the gravity, the slower the time.
• 33:28
  So time is something that can be manipulated, so it can't be that.
• 33:32
  it would have to be Earth-based for sure
• 33:37
  Jon: Okay, fair enough.
• 33:38
  Fair enough
• 33:39
  Ryan: with you
• 33:41
  Kearns: But the witching hour.
• 33:42
  How does it factor into the film, though?
• 33:46
  Ryan: Each time she does the podcast and you listen to each of
• 33:49
  the audio, you see that the time is automatically at 3:00 o'clock.
• 33:54
  But how they do it with the camera angles with the spinning, right?
• 33:57
  And you see her and it spins, and you go into the hallway.
• 34:00
  And I like those little camera tricks they do where they're up close to her, but
• 34:05
  they have, like, the background through.
• 34:08
  And as a viewer, I don't know if you felt the same way, and especially
• 34:13
  during these times, is I was expecting something to pop out, and it doesn't.
• 34:18
  And it's like it's a tease,
• 34:21
  Kearns: they hold that tension.
• 34:23
  hold that tension for a while
• 34:25
  Ryan: Like you see the lights flicker, you see the camera go
• 34:27
  through, and then you see the clock.
• 34:29
  And the clock
• 34:30
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 34:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:31
  Ryan: 'cause I feel like as the movie continues, it looks
• 34:33
  like it's melting, I feel.
• 34:35
  Especially during, like, later on when, like, there's the red colors
• 34:39
  and it's like the dark colors.
• 34:41
  It
• 34:41
  Kearns: Yeah
• 34:42
  Ryan: it's melting in the wall, and it's pretty cool, and it's
• 34:44
  set at that time at all times.
• 34:47
  the idea of them losing time while in this podcast is an interesting
• 34:52
  concept I feel like by the time it hits 3:00, it's off, and it's like she's
• 34:59
  back to being who she is technically.
• 35:02
  It's interesting
• 35:04
  Kearns: It is interesting.
• 35:05
  I don't know what you mean by any of that, it's off.
• 35:07
  She is who she's is, like, this time.
• 35:10
  Ryan: like she
• 35:11
  Kearns: that a little better?
• 35:12
  Ryan: like she snaps back in.
• 35:13
  Like she's like zoning out 'cause she's not talking to
• 35:16
  Justin at 3:00 in the morning.
• 35:18
  She's sitting there with her headphones and then she
• 35:20
  Jon: No, they are.
• 35:21
  Kearns: right?
• 35:22
  Jon: They are.
• 35:22
  No, they, yeah, because, uh, i- like, they tell you, they, the very last recording
• 35:29
  that they, they make is a live recording.
• 35:31
  They get the call-ins, and they, they go live at 2:30 AM
• 35:37
  Ryan: Oh, okay.
• 35:38
  Jon: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Ryan: just like, like… So in my head, I thought, 'cause it would jump
• 35:42
  to 3:00, that the time was jumping and whatever they were inviting in
• 35:47
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 35:47
  Ryan: it, and I was like, "Oh, this is a pretty cool concept," but okay.
• 35:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 35:51
  Ryan: Scratch my concept out then.
• 35:53
  Never
• 35:53
  Kearns: Okay
• 35:55
  Ryan: But now that makes sense because… All right, it's interesting,
• 35:59
  like, I, I wouldn't be able to do a podcast at 2:30 in the morning
• 36:03
  Jon: Oh, I would.
• 36:04
  I'm, I can be wide awake at 2:30 in the morning
• 36:07
  You guys wanna play a game?
• 36:08
  Kearns: Let's do it with the game
• 36:11
  Jon: I, I have our classic,
• 36:12
  Kearns: more than
• 36:13
  Jon: our classic stasher slash, stash three slash five.
• 36:19
  Kearns: Okay.
• 36:19
  Jon: it's themed.
• 36:21
  I don't think guessing the theme n- will necessarily help you though.
• 36:26
  it might,
• 36:27
  Kearns: Okay
• 36:28
  Jon: not.
• 36:29
  They, it's a very distinct theme, but I don't think it helps.
• 36:32
  movie number one is Omega Man Charlton Heston in the I Am Legend story
• 36:41
  Kearns: I don't think I can stash it 'cause I haven't seen it.
• 36:43
  Ryan: You've never seen The Omega Man?
• 36:45
  Like,
• 36:45
  Kearns: No
• 36:45
  Ryan: uh, uh, well, uh, that, that shocks me 'cause I think you would love it.
• 36:50
  But, like, when you get onto the whole I Am Legend story and you, you
• 36:54
  start with Vincent Price as the last man on earth, which is the black and
• 36:57
  white, and he's, like, visiting, and you don't really see the monsters.
• 37:01
  It's like the aesthetic.
• 37:02
  The Omega Man comes out, and they make it like the 1970s.
• 37:06
  Like, you get that '70s vibe.
• 37:08
  And this is right after Planet of the Apes, so he's a hot commodity.
• 37:11
  And this is after Ben-Hur, right?
• 37:13
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 37:14
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:14
  Kearns: Would have to
• 37:15
  Jon: Yeah
• 37:16
  Ryan: So, like, he's a hot commodity, and it's like they change the story,
• 37:19
  but instead of making him… I'm not gonna say it 'cause you know the
• 37:22
  story, and if you haven't seen it, I like the twist what they do with the,
• 37:26
  um, ghouls I'll call in this movie.
• 37:30
  Kearns: The ghouls.
• 37:31
  Ryan: a whole t-
• 37:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:35
  Ryan: But it's, it's a classic
• 37:37
  Jon: It's, it's a more action version of, of the I Am Legend story.
• 37:44
  I figured that was a slash as soon as you hadn't seen it.
• 37:48
  Um
• 37:49
  Kearns: I can't, I can't vouch.
• 37:50
  But I, I get, I, I enjoyed your descriptions and your verbosity
• 37:55
  Ryan: It's, d- do you like this one, John?
• 37:59
  Jon: I like it.
• 38:00
  It's, I don't like it as much as Last Man on Earth.
• 38:03
  Ryan: Uh, the, you're a Vincent Price fan, so that's understandable, and that
• 38:07
  is a great adaptation what it's worth.
• 38:10
  Hard to get ahold of on DVD, so,
• 38:14
  Jon: It's in, I believe it's in one of the, uh, Shout!
• 38:17
  Factory price collections.
• 38:20
  I definitely have physical copies of it.
• 38:22
  Ryan: I need to pick that up with House on Haunted Hill,
• 38:25
  but that's a whole other story
• 38:27
  Jon: All right.
• 38:27
  Movie number two, Hush
• 38:33
  Ryan: I like this film.
• 38:34
  I really do.
• 38:35
  I think it's… You hated this film?
• 38:40
  This is, that's… I'm gonna slash it though, but I do
• 38:45
  Kearns: You must have loved it.
• 38:46
  Ryan: I, I did.
• 38:47
  I don't know what, he put Omega Man and then Hush.
• 38:50
  I don't know what else is
• 38:51
  Kearns: I do love her, speaking of House on Haunted Hill.
• 38:55
  All right?
• 38:56
  Isn't she the actress in all of those, yeah, on Netflix?
• 38:59
  Yeah, she's fantastic.
• 39:01
  Um, but I did not dig Hu- Hush, The Strangers, like, those movies
• 39:08
  are never gonna hit for me.
• 39:09
  The home invasion
• 39:11
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 39:15
  Kearns: Eh, just feel like it's lazy.
• 39:17
  I know.
• 39:18
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 39:18
  Kearns: fun at parties, everybody.
• 39:20
  Um, actually I really am, but this not, not my kinda film.
• 39:25
  Slash.
• 39:27
  These are
• 39:27
  Jon: I think you're…
• 39:28
  Kearns: John?
• 39:29
  Are these quiet movies
• 39:31
  Jon: no, but you're sort of in the ballpark.
• 39:34
  Kearns: Yeah
• 39:35
  Jon: Sort of in the ballpark.
• 39:36
  Movie number three.
• 39:39
  The Blair Witch Project
• 39:41
  Kearns: They're alone in the woods.
• 39:42
  Hush, she's alone in the house.
• 39:44
  Omega Man, he's alone, period.
• 39:47
  Movies where you're alone
• 39:49
  Jon: Uh, yeah.
• 39:49
  I mean, I, I, I'll say that.
• 39:51
  it's movies where you're alone or really sparse casting, like
• 39:55
  Ryan: Okay.
• 39:56
  Jon: of characters.
• 39:58
  Kearns: That works.
• 39:59
  All right.
• 40:00
  I
• 40:00
  Jon: The Blair Witch.
• 40:01
  Kearns: I liked Blair Witch.
• 40:02
  I didn't like what it caused.
• 40:05
  It caused
• 40:06
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 40:08
  Kearns: I'm such an old man, but the found footage thing went, like, haywire.
• 40:11
  Certain things hit and certain things didn't.
• 40:13
  I think I would call Cloverfield largely a failure due to the
• 40:18
  found footage aspect of the movie.
• 40:21
  Ryan: Wow.
• 40:22
  Kearns: Have you watched it again?
• 40:24
  Ryan: I haven't watched it recently, no, but
• 40:25
  Kearns: watching it again and seeing what they did with the found footage parts.
• 40:28
  It's horrific
• 40:30
  Ryan: It, it was hard to watch the first time with the camcorder moving around
• 40:34
  Kearns: It's terrible.
• 40:36
  it's terrible.
• 40:37
  Blair
• 40:37
  Jon: But
• 40:38
  Kearns: that better
• 40:38
  Jon: I would say this about Cloverfield, and to be a little somber, just passing
• 40:44
  the 25th anniversary of 9/11 and watching some of the footage from that again,
• 40:50
  Cloverfield captures to a small extent some of the panic in that footage.
• 40:57
  Kearns: True.
• 40:58
  Jon: The, that, yeah, I, I, you know, I, I would imagine…
• 41:02
  I haven't seen Cloverfield in a few years.
• 41:04
  I would imagine the further away you get, it sort of diminishes
• 41:09
  Kearns: It do- to me it does.
• 41:11
  And I guess Kaijus, maybe that's why it's so popular in Japan because
• 41:14
  of that whole aspect of their culture having been nuked twice.
• 41:18
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 41:19
  Kearns: not, you know, dance around it, and that's what
• 41:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 41:23
  Kearns: and all that.
• 41:23
  Jon: Yeah.
• 41:24
  Kearns: if you watch Minus One or, and Minus Zero, that's gonna be coming out
• 41:28
  too, I mean, he nukes the city in it.
• 41:32
  It's, they do the whole thing, mushroom cloud and everything.
• 41:35
  So not even ambiguous in that.
• 41:38
  So I think, um, with Cloverfield you might be nailing it.
• 41:41
  That might've been like our post 9/11 sort of Kaiju experience
• 41:45
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 41:47
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 41:48
  Jon: it feels like a thing.
• 41:49
  So are we stashing or slashing Blue Witch?
• 41:52
  Kearns: he's pushing us along, everybody.
• 41:53
  Jon: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Kearns: puts Baby in a corner except the Blair Witch.
• 41:57
  I'm gonna stash it.
• 41:58
  Jon: All right
• 41:59
  Kearns: get that reference, we can be friends.
• 42:01
  Ryan: Dirty Dancing.
• 42:03
  Kearns: Not that one.
• 42:04
  In the end of the movie, he's standing in the
• 42:05
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:06
  Kearns: the worst
• 42:06
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:08
  Kearns: and
• 42:08
  Jon: see, I
• 42:10
  Kearns: I was like,
• 42:10
  Jon: see that, that kind, that, that ending kind of feels like the end of
• 42:15
  Undertone for me, but we'll get there
• 42:18
  Kearns: Thank-- You're gonna get into why I'm so lukewarm
• 42:21
  on undertone when we get there.
• 42:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:23
  Ryan,
• 42:24
  Ryan: I
• 42:25
  Jon: slash or stash?
• 42:26
  Ryan: I don't know what else you got.
• 42:27
  I, you know what?
• 42:29
  Ugh, I'll stash it.
• 42:32
  I love the Blair Witch Project.
• 42:34
  Watching it 3:00 in the morning is just an experience
• 42:40
  Kearns: I
• 42:40
  Jon: Brian, I…
• 42:41
  Kearns: the woods as a kid and saw weird stuff.
• 42:43
  Not like weird witchy and whatnot, but I was out there and it's spooky, and
• 42:49
  the Blair Witch kind of reminded me of those good old days of, you know, running
• 42:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:55
  Ryan: It was, I remember it, um, at the movie theater I would attend, like the
• 43:01
  line for the movie would be ridiculous just for people waiting to go see it.
• 43:06
  Like
• 43:07
  Kearns: was a phenomenon.
• 43:09
  Yeah.
• 43:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:10
  Yeah.
• 43:11
  Yeah.
• 43:11
  Kearns: in mind when it came out too, there was nothing else to do.
• 43:14
  weren't going on TikTok every night and stuff
• 43:17
  Jon: Mm. Yeah.
• 43:17
  Yeah.
• 43:18
  Uh, so Ryan, how do you feel with only one stash left?
• 43:24
  Little nervous?
• 43:25
  Ryan: after you said that, yes
• 43:27
  Jon: Little nervous?
• 43:27
  All right.
• 43:28
  Movie number four, 10 Cloverfield Lane
• 43:33
  Ryan: Oh, s- slash.
• 43:35
  Kearns: Yeah, you know it's, you know it's, it's bad.
• 43:37
  You know it's bad.
• 43:38
  I know I'm gonna regret this, but I … John Goodman sells
• 43:41
  this movie for me so hard.
• 43:43
  Ryan: it.
• 43:43
  Kearns: I might.
• 43:44
  Dude, John Goodman in a, fallout shelter with big tubs of acid
• 43:48
  to dissolve your body, come on.
• 43:51
  Jon: Uh-huh
• 43:51
  Kearns: The, every aspect of it that has to do with the monsters is terrible.
• 43:56
  That whole sequence where she's running from the aliens and they're
• 43:58
  blowing up cars and stuff, that stunk up the s- the whole movie.
• 44:01
  The best part was John Goodman.
• 44:04
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:04
  Kearns: you're, you're trapped in there with John, and
• 44:07
  Jon: Yep.
• 44:08
  Kearns: from Roseanne.
• 44:09
  Ah,
• 44:09
  Jon: No.
• 44:10
  Kearns: know what?
• 44:10
  I am going to slash it because the existence of it as 10
• 44:13
  Cloverfield Lane bothers me.
• 44:16
  another movie, I would've enjoyed it.
• 44:18
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 44:19
  Kearns: But I'm gonna stick to my laurels on this one and just say
• 44:22
  we gotta get rid of it because the, the just adding stuff to Cloverfield
• 44:26
  because you can buy it, stupid
• 44:29
  Jon: Yeah.
• 44:30
  Yeah.
• 44:31
  All right.
• 44:32
  Moving along, movie number five is I Am Legend
• 44:36
  Kearns: I'm gonna keep this one 'cause it gave my wife a crush on me when I, uh,
• 44:40
  was, I was upset to find out that Sam was a girl dog, and she saw I was upset by
• 44:44
  that, and she started to look at me in a romantical kind of way in, like, 2008.
• 44:50
  So it helped me bag my bitch.
• 44:52
  I'm gonna keep it, stash it.
• 44:58
  You like that?
• 44:58
  That's called, that's called a fellas.
• 45:02
  You lead them, you know, off
• 45:03
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:03
  Kearns: direction and then whoop
• 45:08
  Ryan: I'm slashing it.
• 45:09
  I got the Omega Man.
• 45:11
  Kearns: Yeah, you got the original, or one of the originals.
• 45:13
  You don't need the copy.
• 45:15
  This was,
• 45:15
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:15
  Uh,
• 45:15
  Kearns: could've had a better ending too, to be honest
• 45:18
  Ryan: he's gonna put Last Man on Earth on here.
• 45:20
  I know it
• 45:22
  Kearns: Eat your
• 45:23
  Jon: bye.
• 45:23
  Ryan: It, it's only, it's only Vincent Price, I think,
• 45:26
  Kearns: Well, the ga-- are the gas prices as high as they were
• 45:28
  in this movie yet, by the way?
• 45:30
  I think we're getting close
• 45:32
  Jon: I think we're getting pretty close.
• 45:34
  Kearns: I think they're around $10 at a gallon in New York City in this movie.
• 45:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:39
  Kearns: maybe not
• 45:40
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:40
  Kearns: there yet.
• 45:42
  What a wonderful time to be alive.
• 45:43
  What's next?
• 45:45
  Jon: Next movie, Misery.
• 45:48
  Kearns: I only have one stash left too then, right?
• 45:50
  Jon: Yep, you both only have one stash left.
• 45:53
  Kearns: we have one movie after this, correct?
• 45:55
  Jon: Ooh, and there are two movies after this.
• 45:57
  This is only sixth.
• 45:59
  Kearns: you cockadoodie dum-dum head.
• 46:01
  gonna have to get rid of this because I enjoy Misery, but like, I- it's fine.
• 46:08
  don't like, I don't like rub the DVD case on my nipples before I go to bed.
• 46:13
  Ryan: You sure?
• 46:14
  Kearns: I, I'm positive.
• 46:15
  Ryan: not on
• 46:16
  Kearns: Although, Castle Rock, what Castle Rock did with the Annie Wilkes character,
• 46:21
  we should talk about that for six hours.
• 46:23
  Turning her into a hero if you watch the Castle Rock series.
• 46:26
  Season two turns Annie Wilkes into like the most badass character ever
• 46:32
  Ryan: like she's misunderstood.
• 46:33
  She's just got a couple screws loose.
• 46:35
  I mean, if the screws were screwed,
• 46:37
  Kearns: the road to hell is paved in good intentions, Ryan's wearing
• 46:41
  the freaking construction hat.
• 46:43
  Jon: Ja.
• 46:44
  Ryan: I'm
• 46:44
  Kearns: to be burned to a crisp and then buried under rocks like that, whatever the
• 46:50
  monster was in that Irish movie we saw.
• 46:52
  She's not worth saving, buddy.
• 46:55
  Ryan: So call the boys from county hell.
• 46:57
  I
• 46:57
  Kearns: it
• 46:57
  Jon: Ja.
• 46:58
  Ryan: Got it.
• 46:59
  Jon: Ja
• 47:00
  Ryan: it.
• 47:00
  But I'm slashing it too.
• 47:01
  The
• 47:01
  Kearns: You gotta.
• 47:02
  'Cause I know it's coming up.
• 47:04
  I like the movie, I love the book.
• 47:05
  I'm not doing it.
• 47:06
  Ryan: up?
• 47:06
  What do you think is coming up?
• 47:08
  Kearns: I d- I know it's gonna be good.
• 47:09
  That's what I know.
• 47:11
  I don't, I don't know much, but I know what John is.
• 47:16
  Ryan: Oh.
• 47:17
  Jon: man.
• 47:18
  Kearns: a smart man.
• 47:19
  That's the line.
• 47:19
  Thank you
• 47:20
  Ryan: F- Forrest Gump would be a good choice.
• 47:23
  There's a lot of characters
• 47:24
  Jon: There's way too many characters in Forrest Gump.
• 47:27
  Ryan: say
• 47:28
  Jon: The whole f-
• 47:29
  Kearns: this,
• 47:30
  Jon: the whole 20th century is in that movie
• 47:33
  Kearns: Good call, John.
• 47:35
  Fair point.
• 47:36
  Um, let's hit it
• 47:39
  Jon: Movie number seven is where I think it gets interesting for you guys.
• 47:45
  There's The Last Man on Earth
• 47:47
  Kearns: Da, da, da, da, da, da
• 47:50
  Jon: I gue- I guess you have to ask yourself, did I put something
• 47:54
  better in the last spot, or did I put garbage in the last spot?
• 47:59
  Kearns: Historically speaking, yes, but there's no, there is no limit to
• 48:04
  your fuckery, so you very well could have anticipated, correctly anticipated
• 48:08
  that we would know that and panic pick skip this, and then there's a dud next.
• 48:15
  But I haven't seen this either, so
• 48:18
  Jon: Oh, they, then this is going on next year's calendar,
• 48:20
  'cause this I think is great
• 48:22
  Ryan: this
• 48:22
  Kearns: gotta do it
• 48:23
  Ryan: this is, I'm stashing it.
• 48:25
  I remember watching this on Syfy when Syfy used to show horror films and was good.
• 48:31
  And it was on the afternoon, and what got me was Vincent Price plays Neville,
• 48:38
  and it's just really a one-man show, and how they utilize the vampires to
• 48:41
  be in the darkness, and black and white makes, like, the atmosphere better.
• 48:47
  It's, it's such a great watch, and it's, it's a good
• 48:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 48:50
  Ryan: of the I Am Legend story
• 48:52
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 48:52
  Jon: Yep.
• 48:53
  Kearns: All
• 48:53
  Jon: Yep.
• 48:54
  Kearns: it.
• 48:55
  I'll, I'll revisit it once we watch it.
• 48:57
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 48:58
  Kearns: gamble on this one.
• 48:59
  Let's see what John's got for me
• 49:00
  Jon: I think, I think you're gonna be happy with your choice here, Kearns.
• 49:06
  Last movie is The Lighthouse
• 49:09
  Kearns: cool with that, yeah.
• 49:11
  Ryan: Oh, man.
• 49:12
  Kearns: This one reminds me of my stepdad, though.
• 49:14
  If we clip this out, my mom will laugh when she sees this.
• 49:17
  I'm
• 49:17
  Jon: Oh, listen Ri- Ryan, you, you were done once you picked Omega Man
• 49:22
  Ryan: What?
• 49:23
  Kearns: Yeah, it's true
• 49:24
  Ryan: I love the Omega Man.
• 49:26
  Jon: I, I, I do too, but I knew you were done as soon as you picked that,
• 49:29
  'cause I knew you were gonna have to pick Last Man on Earth or I Am Legend also.
• 49:34
  Ryan: Well, I, I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of I Am Legend, that version.
• 49:38
  I like The Last Man on Earth and Omega Man better.
• 49:42
  Uh,
• 49:42
  Jon: too
• 49:43
  Ryan: does a good job with the story, but, uh, it's not, it's not Vincent,
• 49:49
  it's not Charlton Heston, but The Lighthouse, H.P. Lovecraft is throughout
• 49:54
  this whole film, in my opinion.
• 49:56
  The whole idea of, like, the space odyssey horror fantasy horror and all
• 50:00
  that, it just nails it, even though
• 50:03
  Jon: Yeah, it,
• 50:04
  Kearns: Odyssey
• 50:05
  Jon: it's, it's a,
• 50:07
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 50:07
  Jon: it's a shame that that movie doesn't exist in your world anymore
• 50:11
  Kearns: Yeah, you slashed it, you slashed it, you slashed it.
• 50:15
  Ryan: There's, there's always a way
• 50:18
  Kearns: good.
• 50:18
  It's cerebral.
• 50:19
  I like it.
• 50:20
  There's the mythological undertones without being overtly in your face.
• 50:23
  You get the Prometheus thing.
• 50:25
  You get great characterization in Pattinson's character, and you get the
• 50:28
  despicable, disgusting Dafoe character that does remind me of my stepdad.
• 50:32
  He would behave just like that if we were stuck in a lighthouse together,
• 50:35
  and we would kill each other.
• 50:37
  We would.
• 50:38
  That's, uh, like, I, I literally watched that movie like, "This
• 50:40
  is me and him. This is great."
• 50:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 50:43
  Kearns: And then you can wonder if he's ever even there.
• 50:46
  he ever even there at all?
• 50:48
  Jon: Yeah
• 50:48
  Kearns: The Dafoe character
• 50:50
  Ryan: and yes.
• 50:52
  I, I, have you seen The Lighthouse, John?
• 50:55
  Jon: Yeah.
• 50:55
  Kearns: Of
• 50:56
  Jon: I don't love it.
• 50:57
  Ryan: I would love to
• 50:58
  Jon: I don't love it.
• 50:59
  Ryan: our podcast because
• 51:01
  Jon: we can… I'm gonna, I'm gonna put it back to back with a movie
• 51:04
  called Cold Skin, which is another lighthouse movie that I like so
• 51:07
  much more than I like The Lighthouse
• 51:09
  Kearns: There's another, um, the, the Southern Reach, uh, trilogy w- weighs
• 51:14
  or leans heavily upon a lighthouse as well, if you've ever heard of it.
• 51:18
  Um, the movie, I can never remember the name of the damn first book or movie.
• 51:23
  Um, Annihilation with Natalie Portman, I believe is in it.
• 51:28
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 51:32
  Kearns: books is an insufferable jackass apparently as well, unfortunately.
• 51:36
  But the, the trilogy's very good, and it does do the lighthouses justice.
• 51:40
  So if you're into lighthouses and stuff, pick up that trilogy and read it
• 51:44
  Ryan: Word
• 51:45
  Kearns: So skeptic, believer, and reality.
• 51:47
  So who's the skeptic in the movie, everybody?
• 51:49
  Jon: Yep.
• 51:50
  so Evie's the skeptic and Justin is the believer.
• 51:54
  But what I'm curious about is at what point, if you're skeptical of something,
• 52:00
  does all the evidence that's in your, now in your house change you from skeptic to,
• 52:07
  "Ah, you know what? Maybe, maybe this is real." Because Evie, Evie is in denial
• 52:13
  right up until like the last 10 minutes when every- when it all hits the fan
• 52:18
  Kearns: Yeah
• 52:20
  Ryan: I don't think so.
• 52:21
  I think she's like in between.
• 52:22
  She doesn't wanna believe, but she's slowly believing
• 52:25
  as the movie con- continues.
• 52:27
  And yeah, she is skeptical 'cause she doesn't believe a lot of the
• 52:30
  stuff, but as she keeps seeing the things happen around her, she starts
• 52:35
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 52:36
  Ryan: I feel like it's a front just to
• 52:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 52:39
  Ryan: going and going forward basically.
• 52:42
  Justin though, Justin s- I feel like I agree with you based on your opinion in
• 52:47
  the beginning where he's like in between, he's full on after they start listening
• 52:52
  to the, uh, audio samples, and those audio samples, like you get the email
• 52:58
  message and you're like, "Okay," right?
• 53:00
  But then when you start hearing the audio samples, and it's like part
• 53:04
  after part after part, like you gotta realize like there's gotta be a point
• 53:08
  to stop even if you're curious 'cause
• 53:13
  Jon: I mean, but that, that's the thing.
• 53:16
  That's why I believe that Justin is fully playing a role.
• 53:19
  I think Justin is not, maybe not quite as skeptical as Evie, but he's playing
• 53:25
  a role that works for their show
• 53:30
  I, you know, I, I don't think he fully believes it either,
• 53:33
  which is why he keeps playing it.
• 53:35
  I mean, he could definitely at some point have put his foot down.
• 53:38
  I know Evie's driving continuing playing the files, but
• 53:45
  Justin, Justin has the files.
• 53:47
  He can stop playing them
• 53:49
  Ryan: Yeah, that is true.
• 53:51
  That's true.
• 53:52
  Damage adjusted.
• 53:54
  Jon: And nothing happens to him.
• 53:56
  Like, as far as we know,
• 53:58
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 53:59
  Jon: as we know, Just- Justin's just sitting in his living room
• 54:02
  recording podcasts while Evie's whole world is crashing down
• 54:07
  Kearns: I suppose that the entity who we'll talk about a little bit more in a
• 54:11
  second is, it's gotta pick and choose, and it picks Evie for a very specific reason
• 54:18
  Jon: Yeah, definitely
• 54:20
  Kearns: Definitely.
• 54:22
  Jon: It definitely.
• 54:24
  Kearns: So what's the reality?
• 54:26
  Jon: And the reality is what's happening to Evie.
• 54:30
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 54:30
  Jon: know, she, she is… Yeah.
• 54:34
  Yeah.
• 54:36
  And the, the que- the question we'll get into as we talk, get more towards
• 54:40
  the end is what the reality actually is that she's experiencing, because
• 54:45
  I have a very specific theory on how, the way this ends that we'll get to
• 54:55
  Ryan: Oh, all right.
• 54:55
  Jon: yeah.
• 54:57
  Yeah, but i-in the,
• 54:59
  Kearns: All
• 54:59
  Jon: in the meantime, we have a new demon
• 55:04
  Kearns: We do.
• 55:04
  And John, uh, brought this up to me today at work, and I was like… I,
• 55:08
  I didn't do a deep dive at all into it, but I saw the name and I was
• 55:10
  like, "Oh, that's fake." I was wrong.
• 55:13
  I was wrong.
• 55:14
  This is the real deal.
• 55:15
  It's got a whole bunch of history to it that we dove into
• 55:18
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 55:20
  Yeah, I went, I went looking further when I got home today.
• 55:23
  So the demon that they talk about in Undertone is Abyzou, which is… I'll
• 55:29
  spell it for you so, so people can go and look it up on their own, because it took
• 55:34
  me a little bit of trying to figure it out and trial and error to get a s- a spelling
• 55:40
  close enough to get a demon to come up.
• 55:42
  So it's A-B-Y-Z-O-U
• 55:49
  Kearns: There's another variation too.
• 55:50
  It's O-B-I-Z-U,
• 55:53
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 55:53
  Kearns: which is, you know, I don't know what country came up with
• 55:56
  that one, but I like John's better.
• 55:59
  Jon: yeah, I like weird spellings of things, so that one works for me.
• 56:03
  so basically, I think if you understand this demon, some of the confusion
• 56:09
  about how Undertone ends is cleared up.
• 56:13
  like it's not a movie that, that spoon-feeds you a, a
• 56:17
  backstory, and maybe it should.
• 56:20
  It gives you a little bit about Abuzu being, you know, like a
• 56:23
  demon that preys on children and babies and infants and whatever.
• 56:28
  so Abuzu is a Near Eastern and European demon who in folklore causes miscarriages
• 56:35
  as well as the death of infants, and that's very important in Undertone
• 56:42
  because they make a point of telling you that Evie is six weeks pregnant.
• 56:48
  There's no other reason for that information in this movie except the demon
• 56:53
  Kearns: Right.
• 56:53
  And they, to
• 56:54
  Jon: It,
• 56:54
  Kearns: cause to go to EV
• 56:56
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 56:57
  Yeah.
• 56:58
  Yep.
• 56:59
  And so the Abuzar of folklore is fueled by jealousy due to her own
• 57:05
  inability to conceive children.
• 57:07
  she never sleeps, perpetually wandering and looking for new victims.
• 57:14
  in the Testament of Solomon, she's described as having a greenish gleaming
• 57:19
  face with disheveled serpent-like hair
• 57:23
  Kearns: And that's where-- So there's a divergence that happened there
• 57:26
  'cause I saw all the similarities of Abzu and Lilith from Hebrew lore, and
• 57:33
  Lilith steals the life of, um, newborns because she doesn't have it, and
• 57:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 57:38
  Kearns: it's partially out of jealousy or envy of them and partially because
• 57:43
  she, that, like, sustains her in some way as a demon form all that.
• 57:49
  But Abzu diverges right there and goes straight Gorgon, y- you can kind of see
• 57:55
  that they derived Abzu from the Greek.
• 57:59
  and if you don't know what a Gorgon is, Medusa, for the listeners
• 58:03
  out there, is the prime Gorgon example, the snake hair and stuff.
• 58:06
  So it's like, ooh.
• 58:08
  So this is, this demon's, like, fresh in a few ways.
• 58:10
  It's not just a carbon copy of Lilith
• 58:12
  Jon: Yeah, yeah,
• 58:14
  Kearns: infant
• 58:14
  Jon: yeah, yeah.
• 58:16
  And then her body is just shrouded in darkness, so it's like this, this green
• 58:23
  disheveled face just floating in like a blur, which kind of makes that creepier
• 58:30
  Kearns: Yeah, it does
• 58:33
  Ryan: I
• 58:38
  Jon: So then, Ryan, let, let's see where, where you go with this 'cause I
• 58:38
  brought this up to Kearns earlier today.
• 58:41
  S- the existence of this demon in undertone and knowing that there's
• 58:46
  a demonic potential for a demon or a demonic possession, does this
• 58:52
  bring, like, Insidious to your mind?
• 58:54
  Ryan: Oh, 100%.
• 58:55
  100%
• 58:56
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 58:57
  Um, right down to the point, um, s- the question that, that I, I s- I sort of
• 59:05
  came to here is, so did the demon find a husk of a body in the dying mother to get
• 59:13
  clo-- to gain access to Evie and her baby?
• 59:16
  Or is the, this demon just able to exist within our world
• 59:22
  Ryan: I think the demon actually used the mother as a husk.
• 59:26
  I think she possessed the mother because, um, with the ending, like, it seemingly
• 59:35
  seems that the demon has taken over the mother as you hear the screams from Evie.
• 59:40
  But I was also thinking, you were, you mentioned Insidious, I was also
• 59:43
  thinking of Sinister with a lot of the drawings on the wall and just, like,
• 59:48
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 59:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 59:52
  Mm-hmm.
• 59:54
  Ryan: was thinking of Mr. Boogie and all that, and I'm like,
• 59:56
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:01
  Ryan: and it,
• 1:00:02
  Jon: Well,
• 1:00:02
  Ryan: it works.
• 1:00:03
  I- I, it does work
• 1:00:05
  Jon: Yeah, the, so I think to be specific, the thing that calls to mind Sinister
• 1:00:10
  is in those moments where Evie is sort of, not blacked out, but, you know,
• 1:00:17
  distracted or possessed or whatever.
• 1:00:21
  Her drawings are kind of similar to some of the drawings that the kids make of Mr.
• 1:00:27
  Boogie in Sinister
• 1:00:28
  Ryan: Absolutely.
• 1:00:30
  Even the whole
• 1:00:31
  Kearns: Ну, хорошо
• 1:00:32
  Ryan: like,
• 1:00:33
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:34
  Ryan: the drawings on the wall especially, I was like… It, I feel like, I don't
• 1:00:38
  know if it was, like, an homage or if it was like… I, I, I really don't know, but
• 1:00:44
  it, it works in the sense of this film.
• 1:00:46
  And, um,
• 1:00:47
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:52
  Ryan: really, really good.
• 1:00:53
  It's like they did something new too on top of that, if that
• 1:00:57
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:59
  Ryan: Like, they found a new way to, like, set up horror through this film
• 1:01:02
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:01:03
  Yeah.
• 1:01:05
  Yeah, they, uh, I mean, I, I think, I think that part is very effective
• 1:01:12
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:13
  Jon: Abzu is there for a reason and that reason is Evie's baby and
• 1:01:22
  Ryan: Which you say it's like mentioned so quickly, right?
• 1:01:26
  I feel like it's a major plot point that it's a-- from a screenwriter's point of
• 1:01:33
  view, I feel like it's ignored and then it pops up because this is what the demon
• 1:01:38
  does, and then it gets stronger by the end, which is an interesting concept.
• 1:01:43
  'Cause like if
• 1:01:43
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:48
  Ryan: to be repeated more often, and no, it's like slapped in like t- like
• 1:01:51
  ten minutes into the film basically, and then we ignore it because of
• 1:01:57
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:58
  Ryan: But you get the
• 1:01:59
  Kearns: Foreshadowing.
• 1:02:02
  Ryan: which
• 1:02:03
  Jon: they bring, they bring her pregnancy up at least three times.
• 1:02:08
  There's the first time where she's talking to the doctor about coming in to
• 1:02:12
  get a pregnancy test, then there's the doctor calling her back to tell her that
• 1:02:16
  she's about six weeks pregnant, and then there's her calling about a women's clinic
• 1:02:24
  Ryan: Four, because she talks to her mom.
• 1:02:27
  Jon: Yes.
• 1:02:27
  That, yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah, they're at four.
• 1:02:29
  Kearns: one.
• 1:02:30
  Yeah
• 1:02:31
  Jon: so, so they're sort of giving you that infor- Like, they, it,
• 1:02:35
  it's pretty, it's sorta interwoven in little bits throughout, where
• 1:02:41
  it, it's there for you to pick up
• 1:02:44
  Ryan: Which, a-again, it's just interesting for it to be the main
• 1:02:47
  theme and to be overshadowed by the
• 1:02:50
  Jon: Well,
• 1:02:51
  Ryan: the podcast
• 1:02:51
  Jon: I, I mean, there's a whole other main theme that I, I think I wanted
• 1:02:55
  us to get into a little bit too, and that's sort of the aging/ you know,
• 1:03:00
  like caretaking of an aging, dying parent thing that has really… Like,
• 1:03:07
  it really adds kind of a, like, a relatable creepiness, at least for me.
• 1:03:14
  Like, you know, being around a hospice and, and that is,
• 1:03:21
  it's like, it's kinda creepy
• 1:03:24
  Kearns: It's
• 1:03:24
  Jon: 'cause yeah.
• 1:03:26
  I mean, as- aside from the emotional elements of it, there's
• 1:03:30
  a creepiness to doing that, to knowing, you know, just down the
• 1:03:34
  hall there's someone actively dying.
• 1:03:39
  Ryan: It's
• 1:03:39
  Jon: And if, like, if you… It's tough, and if you believe in paranormal
• 1:03:44
  things, I would imagine you have to be even more creeped out in that regard.
• 1:03:50
  Kearns: Yeah
• 1:03:51
  Jon: that, that's kind of where Evie is throughout this movie.
• 1:03:55
  Like, even I, I don't think Evie's even re- uh, uh, clearly not
• 1:04:00
  remotely happy that she's pregnant.
• 1:04:02
  But I think then you, you add those two stressors of the dying parent and a
• 1:04:08
  pregnancy that she doesn't seem to want
• 1:04:13
  Ryan: She
• 1:04:13
  Jon: She's in a spot.
• 1:04:15
  Ryan: she's very indifferent the entire time.
• 1:04:17
  I, I'm happy you brought that up.
• 1:04:18
  I feel like there's moments like in the beginning where she is happy
• 1:04:21
  when she's talking to Justin, but then with her mom, like you can, like
• 1:04:26
  Jon: Hmm
• 1:04:26
  Ryan: she cares but there's a disdain 'cause she wants to live her life.
• 1:04:30
  And then her husband Darren, he's madly in love and she
• 1:04:35
  just, she treats him like shit.
• 1:04:38
  And
• 1:04:38
  Jon: I mean
• 1:04:39
  Ryan: uh, not like, not like I w- I don't wanna say treat like shit.
• 1:04:42
  She talks to him like shit is, is a better term on that
• 1:04:46
  Jon: Well, I have kind of some other thoughts on that where I
• 1:04:50
  think he's kind of the bad dude,
• 1:04:52
  Kearns: Oh, yeah?
• 1:04:53
  Jon: where, where is he?
• 1:04:56
  Ryan: That is
• 1:04:56
  Jon: is he?
• 1:04:57
  Now, what- the woman you love is in a different place taking
• 1:05:03
  care of her dying mother.
• 1:05:05
  Where are you?
• 1:05:07
  Kearns: He's playing Xbox, man.
• 1:05:08
  He's
• 1:05:09
  Ryan: It…
• 1:05:09
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  Kearns: time.
• 1:05:11
  Jon: he's playing Xbox and planning parties.
• 1:05:14
  Kearns: probably.
• 1:05:16
  Yeah, he's not a good
• 1:05:17
  Jon: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely planning parties because he
• 1:05:19
  invites her to come to one.
• 1:05:21
  Ryan: And she went and
• 1:05:23
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 1:05:24
  Ryan: said she was gonna be back a couple hours.
• 1:05:26
  She came back in the dawn.
• 1:05:28
  Kearns: Well, I mean,
• 1:05:29
  Jon: She was, uh,
• 1:05:30
  Ryan: Yeah
• 1:05:30
  Jon: yeah.
• 1:05:31
  I mean, and l- and li- listen, like, but that's the complication of, you
• 1:05:39
  know, one of the difficult parts of caring for a dying person is do you
• 1:05:46
  put your whole life on hold to do that?
• 1:05:48
  Or do you try to work in some moments of levity for yourself?
• 1:05:52
  Because if you don't…
• 1:05:53
  Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  Kearns: But yeah, elder
• 1:05:56
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:05:56
  Kearns: one of the, um, least talked about and hardest things that somebody can
• 1:06:00
  do, and if it persists for three, four, five years, you're talking somebody's,
• 1:06:05
  you know, really upending their own existence to be a primary caregiver for
• 1:06:10
  someone else because there's no-- not enough state and government facilities
• 1:06:14
  to help with that sort of thing.
• 1:06:16
  It's
• 1:06:17
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:06:19
  Ryan: Uh, it, it is.
• 1:06:21
  It's, it's sad too in some spots.
• 1:06:25
  Like I went through a hospice situation and it's, uh, you know,
• 1:06:30
  you gotta do what you gotta do, but
• 1:06:33
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah.
• 1:06:37
  Ryan: need breathing room and kinda like, I would say a reality check.
• 1:06:42
  Like,
• 1:06:43
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:44
  Ryan: like, uh, and it, and it's not a bad reality check, it's just
• 1:06:47
  the reality check of like, okay, this is what's happening, but
• 1:06:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 1:06:51
  Ryan: have to continue to it good and make your life better and make
• 1:06:57
  that person proud and all that.
• 1:06:59
  So
• 1:07:00
  Jon: you, you ha- you have to go on living.
• 1:07:02
  I had a, you know, I have a briefer hospice experience.
• 1:07:07
  You know, my dad went in and wasn't there very long, and you know, he, but it was a
• 1:07:12
  process before that, and you have to make sure that you're doing the things for you
• 1:07:19
  Kearns: Right.
• 1:07:22
  No, makes sense.
• 1:07:23
  Man, this, this took a turn.
• 1:07:25
  Let's, let's bring it back to the light, guys
• 1:07:27
  Ryan: All
• 1:07:27
  Jon: about to take, another dark turn with the ending of this movie.
• 1:07:31
  Kearns: least that's more, that's less like life lesson, more movie.
• 1:07:35
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:07:36
  Kearns: the ending though?
• 1:07:37
  I, uh, I don't know.
• 1:07:39
  You can have a f- multiple interpretations
• 1:07:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:43
  S- so I'll give you mine, because we got to where it starts in that last part of
• 1:07:48
  the conversation, that it starts with the party and the invitation to the party.
• 1:07:55
  And my belief, I sort of thought it the first time I watched it, this is
• 1:08:00
  the second time I've seen Undertone, I don't know how many more times
• 1:08:03
  I will, but watching it this time, more tuned in for things to talk
• 1:08:07
  about, more, you know, watching as a experience than just a movie.
• 1:08:13
  I came to this concept that it's during that time where Evie's at
• 1:08:18
  the party that her mom actually dies
• 1:08:23
  Kearns: Oh yeah, that makes sense
• 1:08:24
  Ryan: yeah
• 1:08:25
  Jon: That she comes home and for, like, you know, in the context of the movie
• 1:08:31
  when you're just sort of passively watching or even not passively, with
• 1:08:35
  the tea kettle on the stove, you're like, "Oh, there's a ghost or something
• 1:08:39
  moving the tea kettle." And then you get upstairs and, and mom is on the floor.
• 1:08:45
  but what if mom got up?
• 1:08:47
  What if mom tried?
• 1:08:48
  What if mom, you know, in the night was, like, just functional enough that last…
• 1:08:53
  Like, there's a, a lot of stories about those last, like, few hours of rally
• 1:08:59
  where it's like, "Oh, this… Maybe this isn't gonna end bad. It- she's coming
• 1:09:04
  around, she's coming," and then gone.
• 1:09:07
  You know, is that one of those situ- But my belief is mom dies while Evie is at the
• 1:09:12
  party, and everything that happens after that is, like, a guilt psychosis within
• 1:09:18
  Evie, where, you know, most of the stuff that's happening isn't even necessarily
• 1:09:24
  happening and that would, you know, that's why I, the, I unalived my mom comes out.
• 1:09:31
  That's why a lot of that stuff comes out in the end, that she… There's this
• 1:09:37
  massive weight on her for not being there
• 1:09:41
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:09:43
  Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  Ryan: really
• 1:09:45
  Kearns: all of this other stuff is just her r- her guilt and there's no
• 1:09:48
  paranormal aspect to it whatsoever.
• 1:09:50
  It's all psychosis
• 1:09:53
  That's not the ending at all, but what if?
• 1:09:57
  That is one of the theories
• 1:09:59
  Ryan: It's a, it's a good theory, and it makes sense because of that.
• 1:10:02
  I did think that the mom is unalive on the floor.
• 1:10:07
  Uh, but it, it questions of why she keeps her mom in the bed still and
• 1:10:12
  not calling someone to pick her up, but that could be because of the guilt
• 1:10:16
  Jon: I think that would be the guilt, the guilt in it and the coping in it and the,
• 1:10:20
  you know, how embarrassing would it be to, call the nurse who, you know, was pretty
• 1:10:26
  specific that it could happen at any time and be like, "Hey, I went out last
• 1:10:30
  night and my mom died while I was out."
• 1:10:33
  Kearns: Well, I mean, it's not like she could've done anything about it.
• 1:10:35
  Jon: Yeah, no, there's nothing she could've done, but there's just that,
• 1:10:41
  that, you know, guilt and probably shame that comes with that kind of thing, that
• 1:10:47
  I wasn't there when I needed to be there.
• 1:10:49
  Ryan: Yep
• 1:10:50
  Jon: I think that that's a very real experience in a
• 1:10:53
  lot of real-life situations.
• 1:10:55
  Or, you know, maybe it's just not that deep and there's a demon
• 1:10:58
  that possesses her at the end and, you know, it's come for her baby
• 1:11:02
  Kearns: razor, I'm pretty sure that that's the real ending
• 1:11:05
  Jon: I think that's probably really what it is, but I, I like my idea better.
• 1:11:10
  Kearns: religious wards in the house and stuff too, and maybe when the
• 1:11:13
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 1:11:14
  Kearns: that those protections fade away completely, and then
• 1:11:18
  that gives Ebizu enough of an in
• 1:11:22
  Ryan: on something because she does say I should have prayed with
• 1:11:26
  her I unalived her, which leads to that demon taking over good old mom
• 1:11:34
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:35
  Ryan: and her baby out of her, which I think happened because
• 1:11:39
  those screams I don't think are, those aren't like psychosis screams.
• 1:11:42
  That's the poor, that's poor Evie getting attacked and mauled
• 1:11:47
  good old mommy demon, uh, Abizu,
• 1:11:51
  Jon: Or just good old Demon Ebizu.
• 1:11:53
  Kearns: Yeah, it might be, she might just be there.
• 1:11:56
  Yeah.
• 1:11:57
  Uh, spooky, spooky
• 1:11:59
  Jon: that, at that point they've just invited that green-faced
• 1:12:02
  monstrosity into their house, into her house, and it's just there
• 1:12:08
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  No,
• 1:12:09
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:12:10
  that's where the movie shines the most, I think, is the ambiguity of the ending.
• 1:12:14
  Um, it's,
• 1:12:15
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:15
  Kearns: stuff Ryan pointed out in part one that's good too with the sound effects,
• 1:12:19
  the creeping dread, and things like that.
• 1:12:21
  But they, they didn't, they didn't botch the ending.
• 1:12:25
  And I won't say it's the greatest ending in the world, but I like
• 1:12:28
  ambiguous endings that aren't
• 1:12:30
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:33
  Kearns: stuff.
• 1:12:33
  This one's done right,
• 1:12:35
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:36
  Kearns: it makes you think a bit, and it keeps the movie with you
• 1:12:37
  for a bit longer, which is nice
• 1:12:40
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:12:41
  Ryan: I didn't think it was ambiguous.
• 1:12:43
  I, I'm, I felt closure.
• 1:12:44
  I'm like, "All right, she's done." That's, you know.
• 1:12:49
  Like, I feel like
• 1:12:51
  Kearns: Ambiguous in that you don't know what happens
• 1:12:53
  Ryan: Oh,
• 1:12:53
  Kearns: her.
• 1:12:54
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:12:55
  Ryan: right, I, I, I feel like she's unalived and the baby's gone.
• 1:13:00
  That's,
• 1:13:01
  Kearns: But do you know that?
• 1:13:03
  Ryan: my closure
• 1:13:04
  Kearns: Ambiguous.
• 1:13:06
  Ryan: You know what?
• 1:13:07
  Jon: I…
• 1:13:07
  Ryan: making a stand.
• 1:13:08
  That's my ending.
• 1:13:09
  Kearns: Yeah
• 1:13:10
  Jon: So the, the one part of that that I, I'm pretty sure of without
• 1:13:15
  a doubt is that the baby is gone
• 1:13:17
  Kearns: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:13:18
  100% baby, he's gone.
• 1:13:20
  But…
• 1:13:21
  Jon: you know, it's, it's just a question of whether, you know, you get the
• 1:13:25
  deepening of a psychosis or a demon.
• 1:13:28
  Kearns: Yep
• 1:13:29
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 1:13:29
  Jon: And where do you-- where can you tell the difference between them?
• 1:13:32
  One person's psychosis is another person's demon
• 1:13:36
  Kearns: That is fair.
• 1:13:37
  Perception and
• 1:13:38
  Jon: That's,
• 1:13:39
  Kearns: Well, it's
• 1:13:40
  Jon: that, that,
• 1:13:40
  Kearns: consider what we do, guys.
• 1:13:43
  Jon: yeah, that, that's where exorcisms happen.
• 1:13:46
  Like
• 1:13:47
  Kearns: Yep.
• 1:13:48
  person's reality is another person's supernatural
• 1:13:52
  Ryan: The demon will leave you now
• 1:13:55
  Kearns: But yeah, I mean, it was, it's a good ending.
• 1:13:58
  It's a good ending.
• 1:13:58
  You can definitely put a rubber stamp of good on it.
• 1:14:01
  But all right,
• 1:14:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:04
  Yeah, let's do some reviews.
• 1:14:06
  They're, lower than I expected them to be because I, until I went…
• 1:14:10
  Kearns: I'm telling you,
• 1:14:11
  Jon: I went, yeah.
• 1:14:13
  I w- I went
• 1:14:14
  Kearns: were like, were like looking at their phones and
• 1:14:16
  getting bored and stuff 'cause the
• 1:14:18
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:18
  It's a very slow burn.
• 1:14:23
  so it's 73% critics, 50% audience.
• 1:14:27
  And up until I went looking for reviews, I had never… I, I've
• 1:14:31
  seen people post about it, and I'd never seen anything awful about it.
• 1:14:35
  But we're, we're gonna get there.
• 1:14:37
  we'll start with a five-star though, 'cause we always start with the good.
• 1:14:40
  And then, so this is translated.
• 1:14:42
  I'm not sure what language it was originally in.
• 1:14:44
  I didn't even recognize most of it, so it, you know, take that for what it is.
• 1:14:50
  five stars.
• 1:14:51
  "I really don't know why there's so much hate.
• 1:14:54
  I understand it doesn't have a trigger, but the constant tension and the
• 1:14:59
  complete absence of jump scares make the film, from my humble point of
• 1:15:04
  view, a work of art that surpasses The Conjuring, which I think is overrated.
• 1:15:10
  Anyway, I'm getting off topic.
• 1:15:13
  If you don't listen to it with headphones or a good audio
• 1:15:16
  player, it loses its impact.
• 1:15:19
  I love how it uses real myths to create an incredible plot."
• 1:15:23
  Kearns: I love that review.
• 1:15:24
  Ryan: That's a really good
• 1:15:25
  Jon: It's a really good review.
• 1:15:27
  Kearns: That
• 1:15:27
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:15:29
  Kearns: I don't necessarily
• 1:15:30
  Jon: They…
• 1:15:30
  Kearns: with them, but I like the way they
• 1:15:32
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:15:33
  Yeah.
• 1:15:33
  Kearns: it
• 1:15:34
  Jon: Yeah, I li- I like that it's, it's thought out and it's
• 1:15:37
  not just, "This is a great movie.
• 1:15:40
  You need to watch it." You know?
• 1:15:43
  I d- I definitely appreciate that.
• 1:15:46
  Some of these one stars get into some interesting territory with this.
• 1:15:50
  Uh, one star, "I have been watching horror movies for over 40 years," and
• 1:15:57
  you can predict where this is gonna go from here, "and Undertone was not only
• 1:16:02
  the worst horror movie I've ever seen,
• 1:16:05
  Kearns: dude
• 1:16:05
  Jon: absolutely one of the worst movies, period!"
• 1:16:11
  Exclamation point.
• 1:16:14
  Ryan: Oh, that's it?
• 1:16:15
  There is no taste in
• 1:16:16
  Jon: That's the review.
• 1:16:17
  That is, that is the review.
• 1:16:19
  Uh, listen,
• 1:16:22
  Kearns: Give
• 1:16:22
  Jon: I,
• 1:16:23
  you, uh,
• 1:16:24
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Jon: you haven't dug that, deep if Undertone is the
• 1:16:27
  worst movie you've ever seen
• 1:16:28
  Ryan: Evil Dead burned
• 1:16:30
  Kearns: Way worse.
• 1:16:31
  Jon: Y- you ha- you haven't dug very deep if Evil Dead Burn is
• 1:16:35
  the worst one you've ever seen.
• 1:16:36
  Kearns: True
• 1:16:38
  Ryan: II, the second remake.
• 1:16:40
  Kearns: we,
• 1:16:41
  Jon: you…
• 1:16:41
  Kearns: count sequels because
• 1:16:43
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:16:43
  Kearns: on a diff- they're on their own tier of bad
• 1:16:47
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:47
  Ryan: Fair
• 1:16:48
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:16:49
  There, there's so many worse movies than this one.
• 1:16:53
  so this half star I titled Obsession Obsessed.
• 1:16:57
  I'm not gonna give the screen name, but I think you can probably guess
• 1:17:00
  where the screen name for this is if it's Obsession Obsessed.
• 1:17:04
  "Half a star.
• 1:17:06
  Movie was awful.
• 1:17:08
  Wouldn't recommend for my horror movie lovers.
• 1:17:12
  No jump scares within the whole movie.
• 1:17:14
  The whole time it felt like it was building up for a jump
• 1:17:17
  scare and nothing ever happened.
• 1:17:20
  The best we got was a freaking pencil snapping in half.
• 1:17:24
  The whole movie was just trying to make the viewers paranoid by making nothing
• 1:17:30
  happen, and it failed horribly." Sounds like it succeeded terrifically if
• 1:17:35
  that's what you think it was going for.
• 1:17:38
  "The ending was terrible. Don't even get me started."
• 1:17:43
  Kearns: of imagination, gotta love it.
• 1:17:44
  But the, gripe is something that I definitely, I griped about earlier though.
• 1:17:49
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:17:50
  Kearns: like, tr- uh, tension without payoff.
• 1:17:53
  There's, beats you expect as a, movie watcher, and some of those beats never
• 1:17:58
  come in this, but it's not enough to make this dumbass's, uh, opinion valid at all.
• 1:18:05
  Jon: Well, if you didn't like that one, this one's short,
• 1:18:09
  not very sweet, half a star
• 1:18:12
  Kearns: Ugh
• 1:18:12
  Jon: from a person… I j- I just wanna give you another
• 1:18:15
  review that this person had.
• 1:18:17
  Five stars for Scream VII
• 1:18:21
  Kearns: We should be using these reviews to, like, figure out who
• 1:18:24
  gets deported because I don't wanna breathe the same air as
• 1:18:29
  Jon: Should get, should get deported to the moon for some of these opinions.
• 1:18:33
  Kearns: real
• 1:18:34
  Jon: Um, half a star.
• 1:18:36
  Extremely pretentious and boring.
• 1:18:40
  How dreadful.
• 1:18:42
  Kearns: Not pretentious.
• 1:18:44
  Ryan: Is that
• 1:18:44
  Jon: That's the, that's
• 1:18:45
  Kearns: be, it could be boring in your mind.
• 1:18:48
  I could accept that as your take, but I
• 1:18:50
  Jon: There's the… Mm-hmm.
• 1:18:53
  I, I don't agree that it's boring necessarily, but I
• 1:18:56
  can see where you get there.
• 1:18:57
  It's, uh, it's slow.
• 1:18:59
  Ryan: It's
• 1:18:59
  Jon: It's
• 1:19:00
  Kearns: to watch the
• 1:19:01
  Jon: very slow.
• 1:19:02
  Kearns: It's not
• 1:19:03
  Jon: yeah, and that's not, that's not something that a lot of people, especially
• 1:19:07
  someone who gives Scream VII five stars, are particularly comfortable doing
• 1:19:11
  Ryan: Scream VII's a longer film, and this one's only like 90 minutes
• 1:19:16
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:17
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  Jon: Okay, so that, that's where some other people are.
• 1:19:34
  What do you guys think?
• 1:19:35
  Kearns: Ryan or Kearns?
• 1:19:36
  Ryan or Kearns?
• 1:19:37
  Ryan: I'll go first.
• 1:19:38
  I'm
• 1:19:38
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:19:39
  Ryan: four and a half stars.
• 1:19:41
  I really, I really, I really
• 1:19:43
  Kearns: I'm so glad he went first
• 1:19:45
  Ryan: I didn't-- Listen, I didn't think I was going to enjoy it.
• 1:19:47
  I, I'm not a big fan of the paranormal films.
• 1:19:50
  Like, I enjoy The Conjuring 'cause you watch it f- one time, you get the scares,
• 1:19:55
  and it's a decent movie for what it is.
• 1:19:59
  But with this, it was like I felt the goosebumps, I felt the chills.
• 1:20:04
  And yes, it does do that lead-up, but I feel like that's with the
• 1:20:07
  music, that's with the camera angles, it's throwing you off.
• 1:20:10
  And, the director, oh, um,
• 1:20:17
  T… I'm, I'm gonna butcher his name.
• 1:20:20
  I don't wanna butcher his name.
• 1:20:21
  But he does a great job with the writing, and I think he does a great
• 1:20:25
  job with the directing, and he hits it.
• 1:20:29
  And the thing is, is like horror, like I say, doesn't have to be,
• 1:20:33
  it doesn't have to be like bloody.
• 1:20:35
  It doesn't have to be gory.
• 1:20:36
  It can be good with the what?
• 1:20:39
  Uh, it can be good with the, with
• 1:20:42
  Kearns: just say whore.
• 1:20:43
  You're, you're just sneaking it in there to say whore all the time.
• 1:20:47
  You say, you say horror like George W. Bush says terror.
• 1:20:52
  Ryan: Horror.
• 1:20:54
  Jon: Oh
• 1:20:55
  Ryan: But Ian Tussant does a great job, I think, in this horror film, and he brings
• 1:21:02
  a lot of aspects you haven't seen in a long while, which is the slow burn, and
• 1:21:07
  it's something that needs to come back.
• 1:21:09
  So four and a half stars.
• 1:21:11
  This
• 1:21:12
  Jon: All right.
• 1:21:12
  Ryan: movie
• 1:21:13
  Kearns: So gracious of Ryan to give this four and a half
• 1:21:16
  Jon: You, you are gonna be a, a very big outlier here, I think, sir.
• 1:21:21
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:21:21
  Um, I'm gonna
• 1:21:21
  Jon: Kerns
• 1:21:22
  Kearns: I'm not gonna go below the 50% line, of course.
• 1:21:25
  Like, it's not a two-and-a-half star movie or anything like that.
• 1:21:27
  I think I, I be able to push it up to a 3.75 to, like, be gracious,
• 1:21:32
  but I don't think it's there, man.
• 1:21:34
  I think this is a 3.25 to a 3.5, and I'm leaning closer to 3.25.
• 1:21:39
  There's some missed opportunities, and like I said, I, I, I don't know
• 1:21:43
  if there was a budgetary thing.
• 1:21:44
  I know we're living in the age of, like, movies being made on nothing, they're
• 1:21:49
  trying to just hit these major box office milestones and stuff like Obsession
• 1:21:52
  did, if that's what they were going for.
• 1:21:54
  But there was-- there's some things they really nailed too.
• 1:21:58
  And so I'm-- I'll push it up to 3.5 for that reason from 3.25 'cause it is good.
• 1:22:03
  I do like the ambiguity of the ending.
• 1:22:05
  I think that when you end a movie well, you should be rewarded by the viewer
• 1:22:09
  for, like, enjoying that kind of thing.
• 1:22:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:16
  Kearns: like Ryan was saying, is good.
• 1:22:18
  I think they lean a little bit too much on the
• 1:22:22
  nonsense.
• 1:22:22
  That kind of takes me out of the
• 1:22:23
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:24
  Kearns: a bit, but it was good.
• 1:22:26
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  Yeah, I'll agree with you on that part for sure because I don't know about you
• 1:22:30
  guys, I never heard the backwards stuff,
• 1:22:33
  Kearns: No, I tried
• 1:22:34
  Jon: just, it just sounded garbled.
• 1:22:36
  I went back a couple times trying to hear it, and I just never heard it.
• 1:22:41
  Ryan: No, it's just all mumble
• 1:22:44
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:22:45
  Yeah.
• 1:22:45
  So I'm gonna go a little higher than Kearns and lower than Ryan.
• 1:22:51
  I'm at a 3.75.
• 1:22:53
  Ryan: Okay
• 1:22:53
  Jon: I, I really like a lot of what they do.
• 1:22:56
  I'll push back on the reviews with the lack of jump scares because a
• 1:23:01
  lot of mainstream horror has become so reliant on the jump scare to be
• 1:23:08
  the thing that, that makes you jump.
• 1:23:10
  You, like, you don't need a jump scare all the time.
• 1:23:14
  You can build atmosphere that culminates in a single moment without it being
• 1:23:20
  like every five minutes something pops out of the shadows, and ultimately
• 1:23:24
  you forget what it was anyway.
• 1:23:26
  Kearns: Right
• 1:23:28
  Jon: You don't forget the end of Undertone, whether you
• 1:23:31
  understood it, whether you liked it, whether you didn't like it.
• 1:23:34
  That ending stays.
• 1:23:36
  It's not like, ah, something jumped out of the shadows and got her
• 1:23:41
  Ryan: Yeah
• 1:23:42
  Jon: I, like it.
• 1:23:43
  I, you know, I felt like they coulda done a little bit more with it.
• 1:23:48
  I don't know what, you know, like, Kerns, you brought up
• 1:23:51
  budgetary constraints and whatever.
• 1:23:54
  But yeah, it, it's a 3.75 for me
• 1:23:57
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:23:58
  That seems fair.
• 1:24:00
  All right, gentlemen, let's get, uh, let's get some top fives rolling here, buddies
• 1:24:05
  Ryan: All right, so my top fives this week are my top five slow burn movies.
• 1:24:09
  So we're gonna stick with horror.
• 1:24:11
  And number five is, uh, this might be a shocker.
• 1:24:15
  It's directed by Wes Craven.
• 1:24:17
  Uh, it came out in
• 1:24:18
  Jon: Is it Shocker?
• 1:24:19
  Ryan: No, that, that is definitely not a slow burn.
• 1:24:22
  It's a, it's a shocking burn, though.
• 1:24:26
  Oh, you guys aren't…
• 1:24:27
  Yeah, you guys aren't on
• 1:24:28
  Jon: That's called the Shocker
• 1:24:31
  Ryan: but my, my number five is The Serpent and
• 1:24:35
  Kearns: Guess what we're doing that's inappropriate off camera and the word
• 1:24:38
  shocker's been thrown around seven times, uh, and we have the maturity
• 1:24:42
  of frigging, like, third graders
• 1:24:48
  Jon: It gets worse the later we go, so
• 1:24:51
  Ryan: It gets funner, funner.
• 1:24:52
  But my, I'm gonna start off with The, and the Rainbow.
• 1:24:56
  if you guys have never seen it, it's based on the nonfiction book of the same
• 1:25:01
  name by ethnobotanist Wade Davis, wherein Davis re-encountered his experiences in
• 1:25:09
  Haiti investigating the story of Claverius Narcisse, who was allegedly poisoned,
• 1:25:13
  buried alive, and revived with a herbal brew which produced was called a zombie.
• 1:25:18
  It's a s- slow burn horror film.
• 1:25:21
  Um, Craven put certain scenes which are shock horror and jump horror.
• 1:25:27
  to get from the buildup with Bill Pullman investigating and
• 1:25:31
  understanding what this formula does, it's very unique and different,
• 1:25:35
  especially for Wes Craven in 1988
• 1:25:38
  Kearns: It's super cool, and they really, lean on the hoodoo voodoo stuff that
• 1:25:42
  the Haitians were known for as well.
• 1:25:44
  the zombification of people within that religion was, like, a thing.
• 1:25:48
  It got adopted by cartels and stuff later, but beforehand it was like a
• 1:25:52
  shaman did it to you out of revenge.
• 1:25:54
  You could hire someone to do it to somebody.
• 1:25:57
  trippy.
• 1:25:57
  Dean Koontz wrote a book,
• 1:25:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 1:25:59
  Kearns: um, called Darkness leans heavily on, on Serpent and the Rainbow, too.
• 1:26:04
  It's a fantastic read if you guys haven't gotten into it yet
• 1:26:08
  Ryan: I'd be interested.
• 1:26:09
  Um, I was introduced to this movie real quick, uh, in college.
• 1:26:13
  Uh, I had to do a project on, like, culture and, uh, the teacher actually
• 1:26:18
  recommended it 'cause of what I was doing in television production, uh,
• 1:26:22
  The Serpent and the Rainbow, and I got to read a couple of the excerpts from
• 1:26:26
  the book, and it's, it's interesting.
• 1:26:29
  It, it is interesting stuff.
• 1:26:31
  But that leads to number four.
• 1:26:33
  my fourth slow burn is from 1973, and that is The Exorcist.
• 1:26:38
  I mean, we all know the story.
• 1:26:41
  Regan gets possessed, the priests come to de-possess her, and we get a horrible
• 1:26:45
  sequel, and the third film is, is decent.
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  But the first one is such a slow burn from the start of it, where you get
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  Pazuzu unveiled, and you get the build-up of the trauma with what the priests are
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  going through, what Regan and her, her mom is going through, and get this big
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  climatic ending, and it's just, you wait for it, and it's just, it's so good.
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  And if you haven't seen The Exorcist, I don't know what you've been doing.
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  Came out in 1973.
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  Watch it.
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  But this one, this is You know, John let this happen and I appreciate it
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  is number three is Rosemary's Baby.
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  I always told it's a slow burn, but I was always told I was going to hate it.
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  And thank you for giving me that experience to watch it because
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  it's one of my favorite slow burns.
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  And I don't understand why it's a slow burn it hits every point.
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  Polanski does a great job
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: Mia Farrow as Rosemary's brilliant.
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  You get the whole cult, the whole demonic, everything.
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  And it's so hidden with a Manhattan luxury lifestyle.
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  And it connects so well because the idea of evil is luxury at that time.
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  And
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:28:08
  Ryan: giving up, I guess, yourself unwillingly for deals.
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  It's just it's an interesting concept, especially since it came out before The
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  Exorcist, which would feature more on the possession theme and more on the devil.
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  It just it's such a unique film.
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  And that leads to number two, which one of my favorites.
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  It is a slow burn, in my opinion.
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  And that's The Shining, Stanley Kubrick's from 1980.
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  You know, here's Johnny.
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  The buildup from the beginning of him getting the job at the hotel, seeing that
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  there's a problem and showing how his insanity increases is it's just unique.
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  And it sticks with me.
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  I saw this very young.
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  I saw this at like six years old sci fi.
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  And the first scene I saw was Jack Nicholson with the ax going up.
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  And to see that first and continue watching, you think it's going
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  to be like that the entire film.
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  And it's not.
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  There's a there's a good build and it's worth it.
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  And that leads to my number one.
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  John, you're going to get another shout out because this is my
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  favorite slow burn and it's Cure.
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  I'm like I've I've really thought about when I was thinking about this list,
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  I was going to put The Shining first.
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  And then I kept thinking about Cure and I'm like, that's such
• 1:29:28
  a slow burn on how it builds.
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  And yeah, the scenes that occur where there's the unalivings happening are big.
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  But it's that build up to the end that like it.
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  don't want to say anything because it's like that's a movie that can't
• 1:29:44
  be spoiled and should be watched.
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Ryan: It just it still sticks with me.
• 1:29:50
  It's like it's something I can rewatch over and over again.
• 1:29:52
  But my top five slow burn.
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  And I'm curious which
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  Jon: Nice.
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  Ryan: going with it.
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  Paranormal podcasts.
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  VHS.
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  Jon: Nope.
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  I'm going with old people
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  Five more old people movies.
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  Ryan: S- so grumpy old men?
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  Grumpier old
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  Jon: obviously.
• 1:30:18
  H- horror, obviously.
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  my number five-- My number four and my number five definitely give
• 1:30:24
  off some of the undertone vibes.
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  my number five stars Kate Hudson, and it's "The Skeleton Key" so a
• 1:30:33
  hospice nurse working at a Louisiana plantation caring for a dying
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  old man discovers a hidden room.
• 1:30:40
  In the room, she discovers things used in the practice of hoodoo and comes
• 1:30:45
  to believe her patient is cursed.
• 1:30:48
  She sets out to save him, but will she end up needing to be saved too?
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  Ryan: I feel like that movie was so under, like, it didn't
• 1:30:57
  get a lot of, like, love I felt
• 1:30:59
  Kearns: I think it's 'cause Kate Hudson wasn't getting a
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  lot of love at that time too.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  my number four also has very strong undertone vibes.
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  It's, written and directed by Bryan Bertino, who is probably best known
• 1:31:16
  for the first Strangers movie.
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  and it's a movie called The Dark and the Wicked
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  so siblings return to the family farm to care for their dying father.
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  as his condition worsens, something sinister begins to spread throughout
• 1:31:34
  the house and, you know, it become… falls onto these two children to…
• 1:31:39
  Uh, not children, adult children to figure it out and help their dad
• 1:31:44
  transition to death more smoothly
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  Kearns: Still a feel good movie
• 1:31:51
  Jon: Very, very, very feel good.
• 1:31:53
  Ryan: Are we talking about the first Strangers, like
• 1:31:55
  the very first or part one?
• 1:31:57
  Jon: yeah, he's the OG Strangers guy
• 1:31:59
  Ryan: right, that, that I can live with.
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  Part one, as I admitted, I was the… Yeah, watch that episode.
• 1:32:05
  You,
• 1:32:05
  Jon: I think, yeah, I, if I remember right, he's Strangers and Strangers
• 1:32:09
  Pray at Night and not The Abominations That Came After my number three
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  proves the theory that I can shoehorn George Romero into any top five.
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  I'm not even gonna talk about the plot to this movie too much because
• 1:32:25
  I think the story around it is way more interesting than the, than
• 1:32:29
  talking about the plot would be.
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  Number three is George A. Romero's The Amusement Park.
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  Yeah, I see your, I see your face, and here, here's why you don't know this movie
• 1:32:43
  Ryan: sounds so much like the f- the fun house.
• 1:32:46
  Like
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:32:48
  But it's n- got nothing, almost nothing in common with The Funhouse.
• 1:32:52
  Uh, so the concept behind this Romero film, it's commissioned by the Lutheran
• 1:32:59
  Service Society of Western Pennsylvania to highlight the realities of elder abuse,
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  and it takes this old guy to an amusement park where he is, you know, consistently
• 1:33:11
  discriminated against and ignored and, you know, j- just a horrible experience.
• 1:33:17
  so what Romero delivered is his typically bleak and edgy vision
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  of what this would be like.
• 1:33:27
  And the Lutheran Society briefly screened it, and they used it for
• 1:33:32
  the purpose that they intended it for briefly, and then they pulled it.
• 1:33:38
  the widespread belief that's been shared in particularly by Romero's now late
• 1:33:43
  widow Christine is that, it was too much.
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  It was too over the top.
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  It was too Romero for a Lutheran society.
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  Which, yeah, probably.
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  and then it's lost.
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  it's gone.
• 1:34:02
  Like, it, popped up every once in a while at, like, you know, weird movie festivals.
• 1:34:08
  Someone would have a, you know, a print of it, and they'd, they'd screen it.
• 1:34:12
  But it's really not until 2017, shortly before Romero's death, that someone sent
• 1:34:19
  him a, a physical copy of the movie.
• 1:34:23
  And then, you know, after his death, it gets the whole remaster, restore,
• 1:34:29
  re-release, physical release.
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  It was a Shudder exclusive for a while, and it… So that's my number three.
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  I think, like I said, I think the story behind the movie is cooler than
• 1:34:40
  a plot description would be for it.
• 1:34:43
  It, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a cool idea that he, what
• 1:34:48
  Romero wound up doing all these weird things throughout the years
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  Ryan: But that's what… He was a filmmaker at heart, and I feel
• 1:34:55
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:34:57
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:01
  Ryan: everything he does has meaning, and it's a deeper
• 1:35:03
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:04
  Ryan: that was his goal, and he, he nailed, he nailed anything he
• 1:35:07
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:09
  I, I mean, I mean, there, there's one, it's sort of my holy grail of Romero
• 1:35:13
  projects that I wanna get my hands on.
• 1:35:16
  It's an OJ documentary from way before, from, like, the '70s
• 1:35:25
  OJ, when OJ was America's hero
• 1:35:30
  Like before Hertz commercials, before The Naked Gun, before any of that.
• 1:35:36
  I want a physical copy of that.
• 1:35:39
  Ryan: Curious
• 1:35:40
  Jon: um, moving on with the top five that has now been hijacked
• 1:35:43
  by Romero, as it often is.
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  my number two is Ghost Story
• 1:35:51
  Yeah.
• 1:35:52
  four older men share a s- a horrific secret over 50 years.
• 1:35:58
  When one of the men's sons dies on the eve of his wedding, it becomes
• 1:36:03
  apparent to them that their secret is maybe not so secret, and the
• 1:36:08
  past is coming back to haunt them.
• 1:36:10
  you get a cast of, like, these classic old-timey actors.
• 1:36:14
  You got Fred Astaire, John Houseman, Melvyn Douglas, and Douglas Fairbanks
• 1:36:18
  Jr., and you get some, some, like, up-and-comers thrown in there.
• 1:36:22
  Ken Olin is in there.
• 1:36:24
  there's a, an actress, like, who, whose name is lost at the
• 1:36:27
  moment, but who's in it, too.
• 1:36:29
  it's got some cool atmosphere.
• 1:36:31
  I, I like Ghost Story a lot.
• 1:36:33
  I don't like Ghost Story as much as my number one, though, which
• 1:36:38
  is a movie that we have covered all the way back in episode 23
• 1:36:45
  Brian, I see a blank look.
• 1:36:47
  I, I c- I'm surprised you haven't figured out what it is.
• 1:36:50
  My number one is Bubba Ho-Tep
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  Ryan: Yes.
• 1:36:55
  Yes.
• 1:36:57
  Jon: Um,
• 1:36:58
  Kearns: do it
• 1:36:59
  Ryan: I was thinking of
• 1:36:59
  Jon: so if you, i-
• 1:37:00
  Ryan: I'm sorry.
• 1:37:01
  That was
• 1:37:01
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 1:37:04
  If, if, if you want m- a deeper descriptions about it, go back
• 1:37:10
  to episode 23 and listen to it.
• 1:37:12
  But, you know, briefly, an aging Elvis maybe resides in a nursing home with
• 1:37:18
  a Black JFK as a mummy has taken up residence and is draining the life from
• 1:37:25
  the other inhabitants of the nursing home.
• 1:37:28
  The King and the president need to stop the mummy before it consumes
• 1:37:32
  enough to become a full-strength monster in this Don Coscarelli
• 1:37:38
  adaptation of a Joe Lansdale story.
• 1:37:42
  Ryan: That was a good
• 1:37:42
  Jon: That is my, that's my top five old people
• 1:37:49
  Kearns: That's a good top five.
• 1:37:50
  Nothing like a little geriatric top five to finish out the two on our episode
• 1:37:57
  Ryan: I'm shocked you didn't mention X.
• 1:38:00
  Jon: I mean, we just talked about X, so
• 1:38:03
  Kearns: be kind of pandering a little bit to a previous
• 1:38:05
  Jon: yeah.
• 1:38:06
  Kearns: to X. Go watch X right now.
• 1:38:08
  Comment, like and subscribe, like and subscribe.
• 1:38:11
  yeah.
• 1:38:12
  All right, everybody, we're gonna… We're probably gonna bug out
• 1:38:15
  because this has been a long one
• 1:38:16
  Ryan: Yeah, it is.
• 1:38:17
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:38:17
  Well,
• 1:38:18
  Ryan: What?
• 1:38:21
  Jon: see ya