Latest / Da Windy City Sports Podcast / Learning more about Bears free agent signing Kalif Raymond. Is he culture cornerstone?

Transcript

Learning more about Bears free agent signing Kalif Raymond. Is he culture cornerstone? · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Wendy city podcast presented by fans.
• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did that is Alex Shapiro and I am kind of Davis on this bear center podcast day or episode that are yet.
• 0:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to focus on an athletic particle written by legendary scribe dampompay senior writer for then a fail from the athletic.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it focuses on the new bear.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson's newest weapon.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: and that is Khalifa Raymond, former lion, two-time all pro-watt receiver returner.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And just, there's a lot of things in this article that are really interesting that if you've read it, if you haven't read it, we just want to kind of revisit it and discuss it here on our platform, because it just kind of echoes the reasons even more that perhaps those bearish fans don't know
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: on why Ben Johnson was adamant to bring him in.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the real thing, also why Khalif Raymond was adamant about leaving Detroit, even though it kind of, I won't say it hurt him, but he had a lot of good emotions for his former head coach and his closest friend there, I'm in Ross Saint Brown.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Alex, kick it off, man, because you brought this to the table, so you should be the person that starts talking about it on our show.
• 1:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, love the work that all the reporters do
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we're friendly with Kevin Fishbain, Dan Weedwerer.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really good guys who do really, really strong work.
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, Dan Pompey has just been one of the best bears writers in Chicago for very, very long time.
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this guy knows a lot about the Chicago Bears, knows a lot about what's going on, knows how to write a story, knows how to get a story.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when Dan Pompey writes something pretty much read it, and I thought this was an excellent example or an excellent window into some of the personal decision
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson and Ryan Polls are now doing as a team.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it goes into, do you want to focus on the intangibles or the on the field stuff a little bit first?
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do the intangibles because it goes to something that I've asked for last year during the season, right?
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll limit this.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But no, I didn't know that they looked at Khalif Raymond as that, right?
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that is the fact that he's a really good teammate.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm trying to find out, let me get to the point where I set.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping this has been Johnson.
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping he can touch himself in the locker room and in a practice field is contagious for the rest of our group.
• 2:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they looked him as a model for what it takes to succeed and have longevity in the league.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Johnson says, we've got a young quarterback in Caleb, Roman Bumezay is going into his third year, Luther Burden, coast and loved one going into their second.
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: You need to balance out the youth and energy with the season hit, and that's what leaf is.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Johnson wants to bear to prepare more intensely and with more purpose and sees Raymond as a way to make that happen.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I asked last year they needed a veteran while I received her in that room.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that wasn't saying that they had to displace DJ Moore, but I thought they needed another guy in there.
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know what I'm saying?
• 3:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know if they were all following behind these.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't also know what type of leader and I take in shots at DJ Moore.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: If he's that type of guy, you know what I'm saying?
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: He may be just to follow what I do rather than, hey, follow what I do, but also I'm going to kind of be on you pushing you, pushing you, pushing you, and then it's article written by Dan Pompey.
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That seems like one of the factors when you talk about
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say Brown's relationship with Khalif Raymond and all the other things that he does as far as the blocking and you know what trying to set a standard and that that I think.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't want to take shots of DJ more.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the stuff with DJ was Caleb didn't have put him in the right place.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of it though was DJ and at times not being the leader that they needed at times as far as even if I don't think the ball was coming, I'm still running that route.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, that's me sitting on my couch saying this.
• 4:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not someone who just
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: ran out and got nothing and I got to come back and I know on this play, I'm a third option.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so stuff like that, I think being an adult, we can factor that in on human beings and not have these unreasonable standards.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But still, I think there has to be a standard bearer and it kind of looks like this player may be valued as the standard bearer to hold a standard in the locker room for the white receiver's in other guys' office.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the criticism of
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: there have been plenty of conversations about his body language on the sideline.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've all seen the seemingly kind of loafing snaps, right?
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Where he's kind of jogging through it, if he knows he's the fourth read.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: This does not define D.J.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Moore as a player.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's obviously a wonderful writer, seever, great route runner, great yak guy, extremely tough, but those criticisms, you can't deny those criticisms of his play that people talk about.
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Khalifa Raymond seems like not only an extremely tough guy, but the opposite of that.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So just like DJ Moore, DJ Moore, super tough.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talk about all the time.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Guys always banged up, always, you know, hobbling around, but finds a way to get back on the field when his guys need him.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Huge, huge plus in his favor.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, that's something you can't teach.
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Khalifa Raymond similar.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like when he knew he was gonna have a tough time,
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: making it to college, making it to the NFL, according to this reporting, I mean, like he worked his body to the bone, suffering all sorts of injuries, and pushing through that stuff, just because he knew, he had an uphill battle ahead, and that resolved that he had, right?
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He sent out his own highlights when he was like, it's gonna be tough for me to get a scholarship too.
• 6:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, dozens and dozens and dozens of schools resulted in him getting one offer.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: from, uh, I think it was holy cross.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, from holy cross.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Place is cleared.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Holy cross is undrafted.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: gets cut a bunch of times early in his career.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And every time he faces one of those obstacles, he re-dedicates himself, re-dubbles his efforts.
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that dedication, that dedication is what led to him, now having a very long successful NFL career.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been around a while, right?
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He went undrafted and joined the NFL in 2016.
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be your 10 for him.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is nothing to sneeze at.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dan Campbell saying, it's that stictuitiveness.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's that facing every obstacle so head on.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: That makes him not only a survivor, but to use his words a conqueror.
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So bringing back to Ben Johnson.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: We all know the type of effort Ben Johnson demanded in training campus here.
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, players like Kevin Byrd, vet Sam, like, I've never been in a part of anything like that in my life.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking lots of practices with lots of live tackling.
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now in this reporting, Ben Johnson basically is saying, that wasn't enough, we need to dial it up even more.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you want guys like Khalifa Raymond, who push through, who set that example
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: to lead that way and to be that lead by example guy, because if Kalee Freeman who, by the way, is a small dude, five, eight, like 180 pounds, small guy, but he's bringing it.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is another huge thing that all coaches love out of their wide receivers, especially the guys who aren't wanted to.
• 7:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: incredibly dedicated blocker brings it hard as a blocker.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when these guys see 580, 180 pound Khalifa Raymond crack in line backers, laying out safeties blocking, the heavier guys are like, oh man, if Khalifa's bringing that, I got a like super duper, bring that.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Ben Johnson is saying,
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: trickles through the entire program as we ratchet it up even more than I did last year was intense.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to be more intense because we did not reach the Super Bowl.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: We did not win the Super Bowl.
• 8:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we got to ratchet it up.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, how do we do that?
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We bring guys who we know can thrive in that type of environment.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think two, one of the things that we used to, you've kind of mentioned this on the last show, was RAS, right?
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I go back to two or three drafts ago, and I think Chicago had a lot of RAS.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Minnesota, I think, didn't have a lot of RAS.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Detroit, I think, because that's this may have been the Campbell Jimmy or Gibbs year.
• 9:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It may have been that year, or after that.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about that a lot,
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, again, off the ball linebacker and people did know the amount of touches and how they were going to use your mere gifts, right.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And even without been Johnson last year, some ways they kind of fell out of the proper way to use been Johnson, but it also applies to another reason.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll get to that back to what I was trying to say, oh, on why Cleve Raymond came here is because.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Detroit's office now is going to bigger receivers and he didn't get as many attempts to be a third while receiver.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So our offense, his, his role is diminished.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he, that's the largest reason why he chose Chicago over Detroit because the contracts were similar.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe I don't know if it was Denver in the 49ers and Bob, but not we don't want to get too much of this party and others in the sea hocks.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So four teams wanted this guy services.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like Detroit just dumped
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and it goes back also something you said, because he was your guy, when I wanted Rashid, you was like, they should get Khalifa Raymond, and I was like, you clicked it right on the head.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the better guy because the money and familiarity with the system, right?
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the reason why I'm getting back to that, the RAS thing, that you have two drafting styles, or player styles, it could be somewhat similar.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Dan Campbell makes them into football players if they're not football players, right?
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can be an athletic guy, but there's gonna be a standard here where you go out the bus show, you know what?
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and you're gonna be held accountable.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why going to what you just said about Kevin Byrd and talking about how hard it was in training camp, what he's trying to do in Ben Johnson is, if you guys aren't,
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: football because if you play sports or just football and of course now on this level, football is a sport of a tradition like your coaches want to push, they want to push you to the wall and push you through the wall.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what football is.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: How far can you go, because you're going to have to go there on the field.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to see how far you can go in doubles, triples and in practices.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to find out how far you're going to go in dead Campbell,
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: been able to relate with the player, but still having that old sensibility and we got to play football if we're gonna get better and Ben Johnson kind of having that and Brandon hit this in.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know something, I didn't know, which for me and anybody that's kind of a somewhat older, I didn't know he had more put, return yards than male, great.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alex, now it's not easy.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's correct.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people, if you didn't know like before we started giving like before Dion became Dion and of course before Devon Hester and before Dante Hall like dog, Mel Gray was in Detroit breaking ankles and getting up feel man.
• 12:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you he had some seasons where it was unquestionable.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was that guy and I didn't know he had broken his job.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's something
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not as, because of the amount of time with Pastor, but it's like breaking Devon Hester's put yard, part return yards.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you will be a bad ass punk returner if you could do what Devon Hester take over, take him and put yards or kick off return yards.
• 12:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to see that, that was definitely, again, it was just a lot of information being that we paid a lot of attention.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing we play a lot of attention to the teams with an NFL little on the teams in the North.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: We knew,
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: what he could do as far as on kick returns and as a third-wide receiver, and that's what Ben Johnson said they envision him as.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you didn't know all this about what he did on the field, but also off the field with his mom and his siblings, the fact that, and again, we're not going to give you too much, but her journey tiered to America.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and his connection wanted to go back to his elders in Vietnam.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And what he's trying to do, what he's doing for a siblings and again, who not giving you everything.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we can't get that athletic.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm not going to do damn Pompeii like that, but this was a really good article.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I hope it's, I don't, I don't think we would just want to create content.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we're focused on it.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think if he's healthy, this will be a player that can really, really help the bears.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, and we're talking about this, we're not originally talking about the plays that Ben Johnson.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: is going to be able to use and you could talk about the plays where belief may be the first option.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: But think about the plays where he's the second or third and nope, the other teams really are prepared for it because they're looking at what looks like the hot read is automatically or the firm that them won't option, I should say.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they're interesting.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, outside of that, just don't to return aspect.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: There were times when it the blocking wasn't there for Devin Duverne and I think Devin Duverne was still have a good season wherever he landed, wherever he landed, but I think they needed someone younger to a degree.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They can't be that different in age.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: As he's 31, it may be a year, right?
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like he's more twitchy.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's a better way for me to say it.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Colleen Raymond is a bit more twitchy than what Devin Duverne is right now or in general.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so let's get more to the on the field stuff because this is also like the the crux of the matter.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Khalifa Raymond, it's essentially asserted in this story that he chose the bears because of the opportunity as you said, Kenneth, right, you mentioned it Detroit was going more towards these bigger guys and he thought he had a better opportunity reuniting.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: with Ben Johnson, in Chicago, then going elsewhere.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just look at their history a little bit.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: In 2024, a bit of a down here, he only played in 12 games, 22 targets, 17 receptions, 250 yards, two touchdowns.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not really much to sneeze at, but if you look at 2021, 2022 and 2023, 71 targets, 64 targets, 44 targets.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: 48 catches forty eight catches forty seven catches thirty five catches five hundred six yards hold that for I was really wrong Devon Duberne is three years younger than him please continue Wow Devon Duberne is that much younger than Clea frame and Very a very a very old 28
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That surprises me.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was with you.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm already in the class or an age.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go ahead, please.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so interesting.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So 48 catches, 47 catches, 35 catches, 506 yards, 616 yards, 400 day, 90 yards, and then over those three seasons, five touchdowns.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like obviously, that's not white or silver.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: One numbers there's no he's not the white or silver one.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no There's no like pretending he's gonna be a top top option, but in the past Ben Johnson is used this guy And Ben Johnson is how found success for this guy.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He knows
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to use him.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kalee Freyment knows what to expect.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And knows the concepts, knows the terminology.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: There should be no transition warming up learning the playbook.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, obviously, some things will be different from what they did to try to like the dude knows the verb is.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: The dude knows all of that.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have that relationship.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there is that history of production together.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's before you even get into the return stuff.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So even before you get into the return stuff, where, yeah, the bears were solid last year.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They made a big improvement from various Jones, where they caught the footballs.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't fumbles.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was that dependability.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Deverd to even a definitely broke a few.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had some good returns.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did a solid job.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, you know, the bears could chase more upside there.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: When we're talking about, hey, how do the bears backfill this wide receiver room is this guy replacing DJ more no, that's definitely not the idea.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It seems more that the bears are counting on Luther burden and Roma doons a and close and love them.
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: All three of them to take a big step forward in their development and then this guy is more replacing all of me to Zacchaeus and me is the key is exactly providing a little bit more than what Zacchaeus brought to this team last year because Zacchaeus was that veteran.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the production really dropped off.
• 17:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The production really dropped off throughout the year, so maybe they can get a little bit more from Raymond.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look at this as if Devon Duvernay could play third receiver, getting more receiving options.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're killing two birds with one stone because you're getting a guy that can play offense more than what Devon Duvernay would play it last year, but also can lift up your return game and can shorten the feel for you.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think sometimes we don't think about how that benefited Detroit.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You think about the fact that they have this super accurate quarterback.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: They have two nice receivers.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget that James, James, and really played his best season last year too, taking away more opportunities away from Khalifa Raymond.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you have these two wide receivers.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have a good tight end.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you think about that more than the fact that sometimes that field is short.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when you have a run it back, thunder and lightning at the time, but who are both really good.
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: But one of them can take it to the house at any moment.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: You forget that, hey, they also have some good special teams going on like a lot of teams that pride themselves on contending, which Detroit has basically done the last three seasons, even though they had a down year last year with Ben Johnson leaving that offense and really not finding itself.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: and they've always kind of been hit and missed but better on defense because of in a lot of times, Troy injuries on defense has been a real bad problem for them during a day at Campbell era.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just one last thought for me, one last little nugget that was maybe my favorite part and to go out like we said, go out read the story from Dan Pompeii.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: They made it free.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is you don't have to subscribe to the athletic to get it.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a free article.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I'm in Rossine Brown and Clea Framed hook up into Troy, I'm in Rossine Brown when he was in high school.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently there was some kid who was really good and he caught a ton of footballs and he learned that this kid caught 200 passes every single day after practice.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Went to the juxtapes machine and caught 200 passes.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in Rossine Brown here's that and says, well, I want to be better than this guy.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go catch 200 and two.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to our St. Brown starts catching 200 and 2 balls after practice.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cliff Raymond learns about this and goes, oh, I'm going to our St. Brown is catching 200 and 2.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I need to do 3 better than him because I'm not I'm going to St. Brown.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if I want to be better than I'm going to say Brown, I got to do 3 more.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So now Crowley for Raymond is doing 205.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's that type of energy.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just a glimmer of the extra work that this guy is putting in.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, like
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the type of stuff when Roma Dunes A.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: C's, Cliff Raymond, a 10-year veteran, you know, has stuck around his produced, and this is what he's doing to stick around.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: The hope in the dream is that Roma Dunes A picks up that similar work ethic, that similar vibe, and like,
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not saying Roman Dunej doesn't have a work ethic.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not trying to say that.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But just that motivation to push it even further, that Rome, what you're doing right now, take it even further than what you're doing like Caliph Raymond.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I just love that example.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: If Rome and Luther Burt are willing to put in, that's one thing about this article, and I'm not saying the details, the amount of extra time and the ability to pay, play through pain.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's one thing you can't say DJ did, all right, but they did, are they following that?
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So for this to kind of be the example, I mean, clearly you know that your coach brought him here for a reason.
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: If he's staying later to do certain things, particularly offensiveness, let's not say put return things, but even still every day and practice he's later, we're finding his craft, those expectations are expected of you, particularly when you have a bigger role in this offense than he does.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think again, you kind of saw that last year.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: They needed a vet.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still feel the same way in the QB rule.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm now gonna deny it.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: You need someone, I know Caleb has to get along with the person.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, and Caleb can be a different type of dude.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: We see with him in Troy Eggman, not being in St. Patico with, you know, something's there or whatever, and I'm not even mad at Caleb.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Get your argument.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let us do a way.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: We should kind of go baby.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's sure Eggman is whatever.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I look, I love the triplets.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But still, the kid in Troy Eggman, you know, I don't want to use to wear that wine.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That running that defense, who knows?
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But still, I still would have, if they were like a guy who had a lot of decent amount of playoff victories, maybe sniffed a Super Bowl, right?
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would like for him to be in there with the stories.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe maybe your head coaches enough to go with Keenham, but I think that would help everybody in there, even a Tyson Bayesian, a Tyson Bayesian remains a Chicago bear,
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alex, do you have anything else before we get up out of here?
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, actually point for me, Kenneth.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: It continued to listen to Ajay.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: On Jean de Poetry.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Go back to the last I should point.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was interesting to say the least.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you listened.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: When I told you asking for your opinions on on Jean de Poetry, I'd remember us while I asked you about the Cernose thing.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was watching it because it was it has hits a funk of course, but then you have both characters have large noses over there mask, but the one, the guitar one, it reminded me of a certain nose style it style or whatever.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I asked you that question about who is it.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Was there something from Parliament?
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was a boy to fun.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a boy to fun.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's why I asked that was there some type of I went over there some type of tribute, but I could just be wrong.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could just be looking at it from Black aesthetics and throwing that upon them from something from my side of street.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's my actual point.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciated that because Kenneth led me down a wormhole of learning about nose, devoid of funk from Parliament.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know a little bit of Parliament law, but I don't go this deep.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that was fun.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: He knows, he listens.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: He thinks everybody knows the mothership, which they are young, not everybody.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: People do, I know everyone knows the topic
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Omega Saffa, so anyway, but by point being that song and how it riffs, there are a lot of young people and I mean young people, I'm talking from their 40s on back that don't know that song, all right, and that is one of, like if you really want to, if you don't know who Parliament Funkadelic is,
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: listen to that song.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's listen to the greatest hits and get into it.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because as a kid, I didn't understand funk as a kid, right?
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was two, the freedom minute was like, I don't, I knew it was dope, but it didn't hit me until I was in a dough, and I'm like, oh my God, this is crazy, right?
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I went down my George Clinton, Bootsie Collins,
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: James Brown, Sly, like the people that the different layers of the funk who layered it down and threw up their own version of the funk into it.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that is the Wendy city, podcasts, music, extra point.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: As you can see, we want the P funk.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: We do.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: We always want the P funk.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, give us the funk.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, for Alex Shapiro, I'm Kenneth Davis and we will see you next episode.