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- Lynn: Hello and welcome to AmeLynn's Corner of Chaos with ocean view. The billowing bow of a willow tree, the gentle frothing of a darkening sea dewdrops on the grass I touch as I carefully tie up another notch. Darkness is warmer than you think when you're moving from edge to brink. Looking out at the water's deep I spell out the secrets that for me you keep. One day I'll stand on this cliff top high, stones in my pockets, a smile. Amelie: Amelie Lynn: Lynn. So reading was a poem called Ocean View and ⁓ wrote this last year. Yeah, jolly as usual, right? Amelie: In tonight's episode, we are talking about things. So little disclaimer here, if you feel a little bit uneasy about it, I can you that we start talking about death and maybe few ⁓ of dying as well, dark times. And then things get a bit lighter. Lynn: and last sigh. But tonight maybe I'll just look at you and decide that moment is not yet true. Amelie: I was just wondering when is that moment but that's not really to say really. Maybe moment will never come. Maybe you'll become a mermaid. You just don't know. Lynn: Maybe it will never come. ⁓ that's right. Maybe. Yeah, but I mean, you're right. That's what I was wondering, too. my gosh. Yeah, we're starting off with a dark thing, but I don't know. This is of like a recurring theme for me. If people were to read all of the stuff that I write, the... Amelie: So we are talking about Battle of Fates, East Asian traditions and animism, and then there's rabbit hole into vibration and frequency. We also talk about Snorre and oral And then we end up with music, j-rock and visual kei. Enjoy! Lynn: drowning theme for some reason and I have not completely explored it but maybe can talk about that I don't know how do you have any particular warning death. So Do have any particular? Ways of dying that fascinates you not necessarily in the way that this is how I want to die but like anything yeah that it has some fascination for you or that we have some sort of pull to or Understanding or something that scares you maybe on the other hand Is there anything like that? Amelie: I guess it's easier think about something that I would find scary, like a way I would find scary to die. And that's definitely being buried alive because I do have... extremely cholesterolphobic and because of my recurrent dreams as a kid, I think that would be like the worst. That be like the worst. Lynn: Mmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: But at the same time, I find it slightly fascinating because in a way, there is a chance that you could get out of it alive as well if you know what you're doing. Lynn: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Amelie: But I don't know, that is a way I would not want to go. Or you know like how people, it's like a twofer, there are these people that explore caves and they go into very narrow caves and they kind of slide around and then there's also the kind of like moisture and the water there. Those two together. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: Just that would be... don't understand how people do this. ⁓ is just a no-no. No. That is a no-no. No. Lynn: ⁓ Spelunking. Actually, have a fun story about that word because let's do that first because before my ADD brain forgets and let's get back into fears of death. ⁓ Spelunking, It's a legitimate word. I remember I was at a concert once. ⁓ It a Robert Plant concert in Norway. Amelie: You Lynn: and there were a couple of Americans in front of me. And know, Americans being loud and but also, you know, over friendly, you know, they started talking with people around them and then they started talking to me and you know, I was like, okay, so I talked to them and I don't know how but somehow because they've been living in Norway for a while but they don't think they speak Norwegian. I don't think they did speak Norwegian. They were like, you it's just English. But then I was talking about caves. Oh, yeah, because the lady, she was very short. So she was like, you know, at a concert, you know, it's like, obviously, it's like a not that great when you're very short. So she was saying, oh, yeah, I'm so short and there's just detriments to it. Or she probably didn't use that word. I don't know. But she's like, yeah, it's not good being short. And then I tried to be positive and I was like, oh, you know, but at least, you know, it's easier for you to reach things that are lower. Or, you know, if you're out spelunking, you know, you don't hit your head. And then she was all like, such a funny Norwegian word it must be Spelunky such a weird funny Norwegian word and I was like standing there like lady I think like I wasn't saying it I was like this is an English word I'm pretty sure like this is English but she was so convincing in her not knowing the word that I doubted myself I was like I have to look it up and then looked it up it's like no no it exists but she clearly didn't know it so was like haha such a strange Norwegian word in American accent I can do it, sorry, but you know. Such a strange Norwegian word. ⁓ Yeah, spelunken, I like it. Amelie: You Ha ha ha. There's a lot of words that people don't use very often that pop up here and there. find Luigi has that as well, that he likes to use certain words that you normally don't hear very often and I really like that. Yeah. But I find that as well... Lynn: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. It's charming, like... Amelie: I don't know if it's because he also speaks Italian because a long time ago I had few ⁓ friends and I find that French people as well ⁓ to use certain terms or certain words that you would not necessarily use in an everyday language which I find really interesting. It's correct word but it's a very old word so I wonder... ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. Hmm. Mm. Amelie: it's maybe like the way they've been taught English or it's just curiosity. think with Luigi is also just curiosity because like they're really cool words to be honest. Lynn: Yeah, I guess it depends on what you read. then like with Luigi, mean, being so interested in, in like the mystic stuff, then I guess a lot of literature would be that he's reading and now we're just, you know, guessing. But a lot of literature, would be strange mystical words. And then you just latch on to them. like, ⁓ this is a good work. Or like last in the last episode we were recording. No, not the last episode. One of the next episodes that will be uploaded about animals, spoiler, Adriana uses the word psychopomp and she has not seen the word or heard the word before. So now it's part of her vocabulary and she really likes it. She says it several times in the episode. But you know, it's also a very particular word that you would normally use. mean, it's also very specific, right? But she's like, psychopomp. Amelie: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe maybe this is something we should ask him about next time. Lynn: words, yeah. Amelie: Yeah, where is he getting all that from? Is it books or is it just a random dictionary thing? Because yeah, sometimes when I was, yeah, yeah, exactly. When I was really, really young, it was in Sweden though, I really liked reading dictionaries and I used to read like random strange words that people didn't really use often. So maybe he's also doing that. Lynn: is mine. Yeah, word of the day. Mm-hmm. Maybe. I used to do that too. Amelie: Have we derailed from the dark? Have we just like made up something nice to talk about just to... Lynn: Yes, we can rail back onto it just yes. Blanket. Yeah, I mean, also, I just wrote a story that's about caves and all that, that maybe it gets published. I will let you know if it does so you can all read it. But that made me think of it. But that made me think of it ⁓ he said like, you don't want to die in caves because there's stuff happening in that cave too in the story. That's not so nice, I guess. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amelie: Thank I read your mind. Lynn: I'm just revising that story and like in the process of that. yeah, not to me. To me, I don't know. mean, I've had very dark faces in my life, you know, and and had a really, really dark, bad phase in my life where I was like. Half sui. God. I'm not shouldn't laugh. I'm laughing because of the camera. They're doing weird stuff. Because yeah, I mean, I was had a phase where I suicidal and I mean, bless I'm out of that. I'm having a really great life now and I feel good and I feel happy and it's great. ⁓ ⁓ a long time in my life, I was not and I entertaining thoughts, right? I got a trigger warning. But I remember then I was fascinated with different ways like. I've always had this attraction to what I call the Ophelia theme. Like this drowning, ⁓ it's because you choose or because you don't, but just this drowning in water. I've not explored it yet entirely, but I do feel there's some karmic stuff there because it's been a thing since I was a child. I remember that when you were at the waters, I like at the lakes or something like mum, my mum would just, you know, her thing is like just sunbathing, tanning herself and I would just like be in the water for like ever. And I was not a big swimmer, but I would dive, like I would always like dive under and I wanted to stay underwater for as long as I could. And I did these games with myself where I just like let myself sink down to the ground. You know, I just took a breath and then I just sunk down like a stone. And then I just try to be still. on the floor, you know, on the bottom of the lake for as long as I could. And then obviously I had to get back up at some point. But there has always been this fascination of just being underwater like that. Yeah, the Ophelia stuff. So that's been always a thing. Also, like in the bathtub, I like to be, you know, it's like things I like to be underwater. And my mum is the complete opposite. Like she's always been scared of having her head like underwater. Amelie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lynn: So she can do that, she swims, but she panics when her head gets pushed underwater. it might be like some ⁓ trauma that somebody pushed her under, but maybe that's also karmic. ⁓ clearly I don't have a fear for it. I don't have this, it's I find it extremely fascinating. Although people say it's very agonizing. ⁓ Amelie: Did you find it a little bit calming while you were kind of like sinking? Lynn: ⁓ mean, ⁓ mean, there's this theory that you're to like being underwater because it reminds you being in the womb as an embryo. So ⁓ in code, supposedly it is ⁓ meant be that you like it. You want to be submerged, like ⁓ submerged water because that's what that's how your life started. And then you come out with this traumatic ⁓ cry when you have like all the air around you and stuff and your lungs suddenly have to breathe air. Amelie: Hmm. Lynn: So maybe it's just as reverting back into how you started life, maybe. And maybe that's normal and just being scared of it is not so normal. don't know. Amelie: I know, I'm trying to think of how I feel about water. I... I don't, I'm not super scared of water. I know how to swim. But I never really liked diving, you know, when you dive from high. I really, I never really liked the whole thing of like falling and then into water. But it wasn't, it wasn't... Lynn: Mm. Mm. Amelie: fear of being in the water, was just fear of like just falling into... I don't think it was something within me, I think it was just like a logic thing, like what if the water is not deep enough? ⁓ if something is under there? It was just that. ⁓ if was diving, I normally dive from a bridge, but not from the tower. I didn't really like that. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: just didn't really appeal to me. I don't find it... Yeah. Lynn: Yeah. It's not the fall that kills you. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the landing. Amelie: Yeah, exactly. can understand the fascination of ⁓ ⁓ heights as well. I can understand this. ⁓ Lynn: Mmm. Mmm. Yeah, you're flying like for a few, but this is also something I didn't, I never got into. Like as a child, I was also scared of the, the jumping down into water. Cause I had like experiences with that. I landed hard, just from like one meter, like ⁓ basically, but landing hard and it's so painful. ⁓ I didn't know how to ⁓ in a way that it would be smooth. So I never liked that. found it scary. Amelie: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't like that either. I think for me, maybe, maybe, I don't know how, don't know why it would be, but I'm thinking like if I would. ⁓ If I would just to end it all, I think I would do something dramatic as in like, bleed to death or something. ⁓ find that is, I'm saying that anyone should do it. Disclaimer. ⁓ ⁓ my I'm thinking like, if anything, that would be something like, I would set things ⁓ in a way when they find me. Lynn: Mmm. No. Do not. It would be pretty. Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: it would tell a story. Yeah, I want things to tell a story. either like wrote some diary or I had certain things around me that were not obvious, because it would be like a murder thing, they have to go through it and like figure out why and what and of that. And I think that's something I would to ⁓ leave something that makes people ⁓ Lynn: Hmm. Mm. Right. Amelie: double think what happened. Maybe that's an ego thing, but I would find that that's something that ⁓ make me feel... Yeah, ⁓ ⁓ Lynn: Go out with a bang. With a murder. Yeah. but this is really so because like when I when I was younger and I was in that phase of, you know, ⁓ being at the edge, like ⁓ my ideal of ending it was ⁓ wanted to also I guess I have a fascination, blood is fascinating and also, I guess as a witch and there is some power in that. the bleeding out the snow, just also preparing like a scene, but then just as these images of like the white snow and blood romanticized in mind, ⁓ you know, thanks to some beautiful movies that have made scenes like that very beautiful. I think there's in Kill Bill, one or two in Kill Bill, there's like this scene where they fight in the snow and then there's the snow and the blood and it's very beautiful. To weirdos like me. So I was like, yes, and also like, you know, of course there has to be like diary and stuff. And yeah, but it's never that, probably never that pretty as you imagine. It's not a great thing to find somebody dead, but. Amelie: Yeah. Yeah, sure. But ⁓ I think it would be just nice to know that you either whatever you wrote or whatever you leave behind is going to be something ⁓ you be super honest without about any kind of consequences to ⁓ not just for what people think, but like anything that you've been quiet because, I don't know, because you didn't want to ruffle feathers or anything, that think that would be really, ⁓ nice do. should actually do before, you know, ⁓ anything happens, but you there are certain things. ⁓ Lynn: Yeah, or just, just, you know, just get old enough, you know, like beyond your 30s, 40s, you know, when you stop caring so much about what people think that will probably already help a lot. Amelie: You know, I was kind of there for quite a while and then was a shift just before like this whole pandemic happened and then during and I always been very and honest ⁓ because thought I was among friends that would, you know, if they don't agree with me, I thought that it was like, I don't agree with that. That is just silly. Why would you say that? ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: No, this is how, because that's how I am. I really don't mind when people have, I don't mind having differences with people as long as we don't kill each other basically. ⁓ it wasn't the case. It was the case of ⁓ me myself, saying what was on my mind. And I ⁓ am sarcastic as well. So sometimes I say things in a sarcastic way because it's funny. so many I came home and got a message. ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mm. Amelie: saying that you know you've been out of line why you know we did not like what you said there so it happened a few times and i'm just like why didn't you tell me to my face if you didn't like it i would have like we don't have to go into it it wasn't to me it was nothing it like i was saying that i hated like their mother or something it was ⁓ nothing that but ⁓ think Lynn: Mm. Mm. Yeah. Amelie: When I got to be by myself, found that, you what, if this is how it's going to be, ⁓ then rather not be friends with people because I'm not going to like, censor myself. I feel like I am censoring myself now and I think that's because of that happened. ⁓ And now I speak to people, I find it difficult to like... Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: become like completely honest or like complete upfront because I in my mind is like I don't want to scare them even if it's nothing really. Yeah it's weird so that would be great. Lynn: Mm. Yeah, no, it's not. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's not. It's not. not that easy. I know. But I I guess especially if you have people in your life that you care a lot about, that you know are sensitive to stuff, then it's like then you know, you know, or then you're like, OK, I should probably censor myself because they cannot take it. Although it be much nicer if were just chill about stuff and you could just be very honest, I think. Amelie: Yeah, think also it's a lot about misunderstanding, specifically if you're a person ⁓ you think a lot and you overthink and then you're kind of in your own... Lynn: You Mm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: train of thought and I find that I sometimes don't explain things properly because half of the explanation is in my head already. So when it comes out in words, half of the explanation might be not there because I already it so many times in my mind and then people might really understand what I mean. So I think many of these things are like misunderstandings as well. Or people like don't Lynn: Hmm. you Mm. Mm. Amelie: really what you're talking about. So I try to kind of keep it simple and keep the weird stuff in my brain. ⁓ from here. Because know, ⁓ we weirdos here and we love the rabbit holes, so... Yes. ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. except for here because here you can let them out yeah yeah we do of weird and and rabbit holes there's this show i started to watch just you know Also watch it because it's fun. So everybody who's like interested in in tarot or are the kind of oracles There's this show that came out on disney that's called battle of fates, which is korean and it's kind of set up like a game show have like ⁓ it starts i've only seen like one and a half episodes I think right now, but it's ⁓ intriguing. So they they collected 49 participants of different well different traditions like some of them are like Korean shamans traditional one some of them are using tarot cards or oracle cards others are read astrology ⁓ charts stuff that and I mean I saw that Ragnos like I don't know this sounds weird as fuck, like how can you base a game show of oracles? But sign me up, I want in. this is amazing. And obviously only like some Southeast Asian would come up with that, you know, or someone where there's the whole animism and the spirituality is so alive, because I mean, they have is very much alive there and ⁓ more trusted than in most European. or colonized places, you know. yeah, sadly, so it's very much active. And yeah, so I've watched the first episode and a bit more and now I kind of understand how they're set it up because in the beginning I was like, how do you even make, what do you do? Like, how do you do this? Yeah. How do you decide who's better? And you know, like I just, I don't know. But just the start, yeah. Amelie: Sadly. Yeah. Lynn: just the start of it is also so intriguing when they let leave like all the ⁓ come in one by one and then have like special focus on some And so I don't know anything about the Korean VIP Shamans You know, ⁓ don't know anything about it. But evidently ⁓ a lot of people that are very known ⁓ are on this show ⁓ And they all have like the different outfits and it's so impressive like all the shamans There's quite a big like a bunch of shamans and they all come like with the big fans and then the bells some with drums and they make some of them make a big entrance and you know, sit there like ooh, you know, get goosebumps. It's really cool. And some other people who make more like modern, you know, like this one girl, you know, she just comes in with like in jeans and like she's very like millennial or Z, I think. ⁓ Amelie: You Lynn: I she's just having like a little, think she's got I Ching coins or something in her hand that she's playing with, know, so everybody has their own thing. some guys that just look like businessmen, know, full with a suit and a tie and coming with a little suitcase and you're like, huh, what are they? And then, ⁓ yeah, they read astrology or, you know, they or there's this one guy who's like the the company reader of luck, basically. So I'm not sure whether he has another job, like whether he also has a different job in the company besides that. But apparently, like his thing is that he reads the astro stuff in the company and ⁓ decides whether you would, you know, take on big risks or not and so on. And the Korean astrology reading is different from ours. So I don't I don't know anything about it more than what I've seen so far. But they they're also taking the directions like the winds. Amelie: you Lynn: and the directions with like north, east, south, west and the center and read with that. then the, you know, with metal and wood and then apparently for a lot of metal in your chart, then so on, so on. ⁓ it's stuff that I don't know anything about. And and what I also didn't know existed because we we have like palm readers in our traditions, right? Or like in the gypsy traditions, which we know of. But in Korea or South Korea. ⁓ yeah. Wow. Yeah. ⁓ Amelie: My godmother was one. Yeah, yeah. Lynn: Yeah, so I don't, you you just, you know, if you, probably know much more about it. I just know like, you know, what I've seen, but it's, it's something that we know exists. But in Korea, they also have something that's called face reading. And it's, it's basically the same or a similar system where like the entire face is also like converted into zones. And that was like shortly like shown a little map of like a face and then I don't know, it was like 70 or 80 or like a lot of zones on the face and you can read at the same way that you would read like palms and there's also a foot reader like these kind of things and I'm like this is so intriguing like I don't know anything about and then this one girl came in like one of the yes and that like one of these face readers was like already standing there and then another woman comes in and she stands like close to him and he just looks at her and he's like Amelie: you Lynn: Oh, you've got some kidney issues and she's got like, how did you know? And he's like, oh, I can see it on your face know, stuff like that. And you're like, okay. Yeah. Amelie: It's really interesting with things like that because I know in China, for example, when it comes to health specifically, they have, you know, like Western hospitals, but then they also have like hospitals that do base themselves in like old traditions. And they also have, you know, it, I know like in Thailand as well. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: My friend's, of my good friends' mum ⁓ moved to Sweden but she's Thai ⁓ she had ⁓ a massage. very quite, I basic. She does massage, right? But she knows all the pressure points and all of these things. I had no idea. before, but I started like touching my foot when I was in her mouth because I was waiting for something. She was like, no, no, no, no, no, don't press that point. do it because, and then she started explaining all of this to me and I was like, you so I it's, ⁓ mean, that ⁓ more of like a pressure point, but I'm very sure that when it comes to ⁓ reading things like that it would be something similar. Lynn: Yeah, possible. I don't, I know nothing about it, very little. mean, also like the whole like Eastern medicine, there's also like things that, you know, they just look at the inside of your mouth and then according to the color, ration and the texture and stuff, they can see what kind of illness you're supposedly have, you know? Yeah, it's interesting. Amelie: And also, and also I, is also when heal you with the bowls they put you ⁓ a, like a bowl because of the vibrations ⁓ and ⁓ vibrations frequency general, it has, when it to like sounds where it can actually heal you from like, if you have a cancer, for example. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Amelie: And it's... mean, it seems like it's been proven on camera because they actually do they do. And there's camera there and you can see it just ⁓ dissolves, you the illness. And this is what I personally think, that there's just ⁓ so many that we've forgotten from... Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. Amelie: from the past because we ridicule these people like, you just, you know, some kind of psychic or something. I guess there's a lot of people that are, you know, very on the surface but then there are like the real, real deals. And this is what's so fascinating. think, yeah, just because this show is from Korea as well. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: like you said, because they have a completely different way of seeing things. It's really interesting. Yeah. Cause, cause I know that I think it was, was definitely ⁓ British show ages ago. They had something similar, ⁓ it was more like they, I think they invited psychics or mediums to, ⁓ show, they basically them ⁓ in different ⁓ Lynn: Yeah, different approach. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Mm. Mm. ⁓ Amelie: of to see if they could, they were actually legit or not and many of them, you know, they weren't. ⁓ But that's very, very westernised way of doing things, I assume. Lynn: Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Like, mean, it seems like the shaman group and that is like one of the most the more popular group or the more trusted maybe ⁓ trusted by the others. judges, right? There's like, think, five or six judges. ⁓ And I mean, we don't know how staged anything is ever. Right. But they probably they don't know. that much either and we have and they're like normal people and one of them is a big skeptic. So she said like she doesn't believe in anything like fake reading oracles, blah, the others, I think a bit more open or just like traditional kind of. they they judge each ⁓ round. with the ⁓ with Shaman group, there were a lot of like VIPs, like well-known shamans. And some of them are like the people that apparently ⁓ are like not private shamans but that are like for certain stars, ⁓ know, certain stars or even politicians or big sports people would go to particular shaman that is like their trusted shaman and they would read for them. ⁓ And there were other particular ones when came in and then people were like talking it's like ⁓ yeah ⁓ isn't she the one predicted the big so and so and so and so when she was just like 11 years old or something, know, they're like, oh yeah, that's her, you know, so they, you know, and they have something very, they have different, let's say genres of shamans, that's not the right word, but you know, different types. okay, so two things I found super interesting on top of the things that I already find interesting, everything, but two things is that, Amelie: You Lynn: They also have this very strong spirit belief, right? But in a way that when people come in and they watch them, like the other people are already there, and then in comes this very effeminate male, ⁓ he's also shaman, but he's very effeminate. And we would like code him as, he's probably gay or queer or something, right? ⁓ then they were like, he seems to have a ⁓ female with him, ⁓ you like that kind of talking. Or then in come some women. Amelie: Mm. Lynn: And there's one girl or woman and she's like all, you know, she's like basically jumping around and prancing and all like, ⁓ and good luck to you. that. Like, ⁓ has a child spirit with her. ⁓ she has a very young child spirit. So this idea that these shamans have like particular entities or ⁓ beings or attached to them in a way that have a particular, like, say, gender and and their gender acting through them, you know, and that reminded me of that in some Native American beliefs. You also have like these, know, like these, what are they called? the double, the twin, not twin spirits, you know what they're called? ⁓ know, like when they in some traditions, it's if you if you neither, you present as neither man or woman, you are I think double-spirited or something. I forgot the term now, but then you're particularly sacred you would do shaman work very often. Instead of, know, contra with our very, you know, it's better now, but with our very Western thing as, you know, the very binary coded and you're either a girl or boy. And obviously now queer and being ⁓ non-binary is more, you know, accepted. But there are actually traditions where this is rather than accepted being celebrated and you are special kind of thing. And then also seeing it in South Korea in the spiritual world, it seems like, OK, that they're just like, ⁓ yeah, this seems looks like a man, but there is a female spirit attached like with him, you know, and that's why person presents as very feminine, for example, without this judgment cloud that we still. have here some, to degree. So that was, that was, I think, super fascinating. And then there was this about the different types of shamans in a way, because there are these fair, I think they call themselves like fairies. And this is a translation from their term, obviously, like from the Korean term, I don't know the Korean term, the translation is fairy. ⁓ what we call fairies here for either, ⁓ these these dressed differently and ⁓ they think I've collected ⁓ gathered now they to be people so far usually who have been ⁓ a shaman since they very very young. So say three or four years old like there were some that that basically were born and then something happened and then they started reading other people's feet So that is just like I'm like. Not that you can say about that, you know, but I was just, find it very fascinating. It's so, it's so different. Amelie: don't know if in countries like Korea for example, and guess China and Japan as well, because they had this with them for so long ⁓ they haven't, there's this balance between the old ways ⁓ the new ways, there's ⁓ for both of them. I feel people have a little bit more, they're they can see like Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: if someone that is very young acts in a certain way or does something, I'm sure that they see it as a gift more than we would here We would just be like, oh my God, my child is autistic or something. don't know. But there's always like, here, doesn't translate the same way because we have lost the old ways a little bit. feels... Lynn: Mm. But then also just to hook into that with having autism and stuff the old ways, at least in the UK or in Scotland, the tradition was like if you have a child that was autistic, where the tradition of the or the idea of the changeling came from. Both that if your child is a little bit different, you know, this idea OK, it's been taken by the fairies and you now have a different child. I just saw a thing about it a few days ago. Yeah, they just basically blamed it on fairies if your child was other or if the mother had postpartum depression. So they were just like, oh, yeah, you know, it's the fairies doing it and it's not actually a real child. And this is more like a harmful, probably a more harmful Amelie: They're just away with the fairies. Lynn: tradition in that sense because then you make your child other and Yeah, but traditions Yeah, and I don't know I mean, I'm pretty sure that Even like even like in Korea. I mean that they were like in Southeast Asia I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who think all of this is bullshit, especially like people living in the cities, but it's just overall I feel it's still alive and it's more accepted than, okay, this is a thing, although you don't have to necessarily believe in it. But they're just like, yeah, it's a thing. And some people believe in it. I mean, there's a lot of Christians there as well. And they might, some of them might mingle, you know, just like in Japan, it's very common that no matter what kind of religion you officially belong to, still, ⁓ do and you still go to the shrine and you still do your Buddhist stuff like Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: They just take whatever works, you So, yeah. Amelie: Yeah, I was about to say, I have not been to Korea, but I have been to Japan, I just found that the old are... much alive and there is no ⁓ ⁓ Maybe ⁓ people very very young they're a like, yeah, he's only my granny, that does this and that, but there is a respect for it. ⁓ I it's not really the same here in way. ⁓ think ⁓ is better now. I do find that ⁓ we are Lynn: Mmm. Hmm. No, I don't. Yeah, I agree. Amelie: getting back to you know, a lot of pagan roots and a lot of like old traditions and it's almost like we're trying to find the things that we lost. Because I do feel like we have lost it. Maybe we had it just a little bit too good. So we got a little bit detached from being like spiritual. don't know what it could be, but I just find like in Japan... Lynn: Mm. Amelie: was... yeah, never really lost it. It's always been there, side by side with new religions, I guess. And that's of the way it should be really. ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mm. Hmm. Yeah. just so different ⁓ you some cultures are more prone to, you know, if they get new thing that they have to absorb, for example, that they completely get rid of the the other stuff that they had and some that are more just, you know. having no problem in going like side by side or taking the best of everything. Yeah. Amelie: It depends who takes over really because you know when Christianity came they were like ⁓ no this is a new religion now so we're going to just burn everyone that does not agree with what we do and in this case people... Exactly... Lynn: you You get a little cautious when that's the thing, you know? It's like, if you pray to your gods, we're gonna kill you. It's like, okay. Amelie: If heal my wounds with some herbs, then you're a witch. ⁓ We you. ⁓ So exactly. think, I mean, I don't know. It's just my speculations, obviously. think within that, during that time, we've lost ⁓ so so much because we lost the people that were actually in tune with nature, in tune with spirit. Lynn: And we will Mm, mm. ⁓ Amelie: everything that they did, magic or knowledge or both of them intertwined, within harmony with ⁓ something that we ⁓ lost and... it's we just lost them because they were either killed or there's not many people that have survived I think so everything is also like a mouth like a story to story mouth there's no really books or scriptures or anything I mean there is few things but it's ⁓ know you wonder you have maybe the scriptures on stones and things of people that were famous or rich or whatever, but then ⁓ normal people, so to say, the people that just didn't bother ⁓ things down, they just had things. Lynn: Mm. No, it's it's yeah, that's it's also so yeah, also so difficult like in our tradition that it always like oral tradition, like everything for millennia, it was oral tradition. ⁓ then in Europe, the writing came with Christianity and the monks were the ones who are writing. ⁓ the only people who were able to even just put things into writing in the start were people who are already lack of better, were tainted ⁓ ⁓ and things we would read, ⁓ know, nowadays we'd have to kind of, ⁓ you we don't know how authentic that that they've been, right, like that they wrote down. And then, of course, people, you know, got educated, more people got educated, but it's mostly the other, like the new religion, the Christian religion, for example, that came that had the means to get educated in writing and all that. So ⁓ some of the old traditions remained until maybe to a point where it was more common that people could read and write and then they could write it down. And then I think I don't know how it was historically chronologically when the witch hunt started. And that was probably just then at the overlap. And a lot of things probably got just burned along like the scriptures, the witch stuff, you know. So it's really difficult. Like, for example, also with the official knowledge we have left for runes, for example, there's very few sources. ⁓ like, example, so like the myths that are delivered like the Norse the Germanic myths, that was not as Snorre Sturlason who has written them down in the Edda. Amelie: Yeah, I think so too. Lynn: and he was Christian, we all know that. And he seems to be a person who to be authentic or as authentic as possible. Like you, guess the Grimm well, some of the Grimm tales, they wanted to be authentic, but they also changed stuff. So it's like me. They changed stuff depending on what was needed, you know? So ⁓ we don't I mean, the Ragnarök theme, like with there being like an end of a world and all that and Amelie: Yeah. Yeah. Lynn: This seems very Christian tainted, for example. It does not seem something that is very animist. you know, there's, you know, it's not easy. There's nobody left ⁓ that time period who tell or I don't know. Amelie: no, ⁓ I read, I was a long time ago, I read the Edders, but I always had, I kept that in mind that it's written by someone. ⁓ this is the thing, it's not necessarily his fault, it's just, he wanted to, in mind, he did it as authentic as possible. Lynn: Yeah, I believe. Amelie: But I think many times you just don't understand how indoctrinated, is that the word, are, because ⁓ want to ⁓ authentic, but at the same time ⁓ going from, I guess, a or a culture, ⁓ a of so close nature to something that is actually quite divorced from nature, which I find Christianity is. Lynn: Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: It's very, it is like a completely different, you so even if you wanted to be as authentic as possible, I really like, this is how I normally think, you know, this person was not in tune with nature. ⁓ So are certain things in my mind, I take it with a pinch of salt. And I just ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Amelie: Yeah, when they're talking about these gods and things that happen, it also feels very like Christianised. So... I don't know, even though he wanted to be authentic, I'm still thinking, is this a way of persuading the rest of people? Lynn: Hmm. Mm. Amelie: who the way making it a little bit Christian so ⁓ tuned into their way of thinking. Because I don't know how people when people read it in the beginning, did they actually think that he was ⁓ legit authentic and then whatever he wrote was true? Or did they actually think that maybe he doesn't know everything because Lynn: Mm. Amelie: I mean, for a long time, and I'm sure that a lot of people still do it when they're reading a book by someone, by a writer that they really like, or they believe in them, they read a book, like, to the T, like, this is the truth, and a lot of people don't, they just don't question, even, well, specifically, if it's a writer that they might like. you just don't really question because you're kind of like on their side. So it is a very tricky, tricky matter, I guess. Lynn: Yeah, I guess I mean, it depends a lot on who's reading and again, who has access to these things. I, again, I don't remember. don't know. But I feel back then, most people who again would be reading stuff would also be academics or again, you know, ⁓ of religion or academics. ⁓ they would probably take it apart rather than being like, ⁓ trust this completely. And it would probably be more discussed. that kind of lens of okay this guy traveled through Iceland or you know and collects the stories of these weird people that believe in weird things. Yeah but yeah very it's so very interesting how traditions change ⁓ ⁓ the whole how they're being told what has changed while it's being told when it's written down it's so ⁓ can see that again. Amelie: I'm Lynn: my nerdy, nerdified folktales. You can see it so well in folktales. There are also just oral traditions and there's like some folktales that overlap in many, many countries in Europe, Asia. then people start to write them down, you know, they chose the version that they liked best or the version that worked in their society to tell the tale that they needed to tell. You know, so some stories weren't welcome in certain societies, so they would not be told. For example, the... Not to go too much into that maybe, but like the of the beanstalk. it called? ⁓ was boom. ⁓ Half my brain ⁓ functions high check and the beanstalk, yes. That's what we know it as. ⁓ is a super, old story that is like thousands of years old. Amelie: Mm. Jack and the Beanstalk. Yeah. Lynn: And it is always very popular when or popular with the people with a small folk when there's a giant quote unquote to be felled like somebody who's you big and powerful and does harm to the people. The story in very short it tells of a person and not the story now with Jack now he's like a good boy and stuff and he's taking stuff from the giant because the giant stole it. But in the original, it wasn't like that. the original, was just he had an opportunity to fell a giant, so a very, very powerful person, basically. It's like giants are not gods, they're just very powerful and very large. They can be killed, is basically the story. It just needs one person who is brave enough, maybe stupid enough, brave enough to be like, I'm gonna kill this giant because I want his golden goose and I want his magical harp and I'm just gonna take it because I can. That is the gist of the actual story. There's nothing of revenge that came later, really. We're just, you know, I'm just going to get because I can. And this story, obviously, is very popular amongst the lower folk when there's like, you know, when the people in power are doing things that, you know, are really pressing down with their, you know, then it just needs one person. But then the people in power, they don't like the story. obviously, so one of those first Amelie: you Lynn: times the story was recorded when it was written down, it was also only people that were in the streets that remembered the story because nobody else would tell it. Obviously, the people who are in power would never tell the story because it threatens them. And it's just people in the gutter who knew it. it's like very... Yeah. And then it comes back, the story, and it goes back down, you know? But it's like, guys, if you want to change something, it just takes one person. Amelie: you Lynn: very few but you have to do it yeah ⁓ tension Jack and the Beanstalk and oral traditions ⁓ Amelie: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. When I use the giants, I'm thinking like, yeah, but maybe back in the day, real proper big giants actually existed and in my brain I'm like, yes, just like, ⁓ actually think so, but it sounds crazy, but it would be pretty cool. ⁓ Lynn: or maybe that as well. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, either way, you know, if it's an actual literal giant, or if it's just people who are in power, the thing is the same that if you're very tall, are very powerful, you rarely look at what's going on right at your feet, because you're so much in your own stuff. So you don't really see that little man ⁓ around and plotting your downfall. Amelie: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. comes the villain. ⁓ Lynn: Here comes the villain or the vigilante. Yeah. Amelie: You I know that was something I was thinking about, but my brain just like... ⁓ It just came out. Lynn: That is... Mm-hmm. I can just grab on from something you said earlier that you mentioned with the sound healing and all that. I just had some thoughts about that the other day as well, because somebody who's extremely attuned to ⁓ sound music. ⁓ I'm a musician myself, but passively I react ⁓ or have a very strong input, maybe. which was interesting when we talked about the zodiac in one of our episodes and talked privately, I don't remember, but I'm a fire hare in the Chinese and something I think Adriana said that I wasn't aware of because it's been a while that I've read anything about my Chinese horoscope, ⁓ but especially fire hare said something about how they are in tune with the music of the universe or something. And I was just like... ⁓ my god, that makes so much sense. have a very, very intense way of reacting to ⁓ and working music. So there's some genres that I can absolutely not, you know, that I cannot stand. I can tolerate a lot, there's only specific things that really get my, like that really go like, or it feels like they... Amelie: You Lynn: the music and the sound basically fills the cavities of my brain. Like the way that I would describe it, or I described it last when I was thinking about it. really like, you you're made of so many atoms, but the atoms are mostly just empty space. And plus that, that we are also mostly made of water. ⁓ you see, you can see and measure what happens with sound waves. both in water or, you know, you know that there's something that changes something with the vibrations. ⁓ on this very atomic it ⁓ makes much sense that music would ⁓ do whether it ⁓ actually healing, it, you know, changes some of the pattern or something in you, but also the way that you experience it or whatever you do with it. Like I do a lot of a lot of my magic ⁓ gets triggered or I can trigger it with music. So it's, I pull energy out of the sounds and music. And like a lot of my practice is with that. that's, yeah, think ⁓ sound very powerful. More than sometimes think. Amelie: I think sound is... No, I think sound is definitely very powerful. Otherwise we would not have all the celebrities and music and all of that being, you know, guided by, I don't know, people. Music used to be my thing for... Lynn: you Mm. Mm. Amelie: since I was very very young I always always loved music very specific music as well but I always did as well I know what happened a few years ago like quite a years ago now I kind stopped listening ⁓ to a of music Lynn: Mm. Amelie: And many times when I hear music nowadays it really just annoys me and agitates me. Like new music, I most of new music, I really do. ⁓ I am the kind of person now I keep listening to ⁓ music that I like, which is like really old music sometimes or certain frequencies. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: that I listen to, but I find it very difficult to find new music that I really enjoy. And I used to dance before and I find that has, I think dancing also is very triggering when it comes to magic and like vibrations and the emotions, like the movements to it. I, I, Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Amelie: Definitely I find I still find that very powerful but I just don't know why I just stopped listening to music as much as I used to ⁓ It it worries me sometimes. I don't know why this happened I am forever to find new music But I'm just like, my god Lynn: Hmm. Amelie: haven't heard this before. Like, I love this. Where like, you know, I want, I want to find that but I just haven't yet. Yeah, it's strange. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You have to expose yourself and be curious to find that. mean, I ⁓ like very lucky that I some artists that I know they will just whatever they release. It's just going to ⁓ hit ⁓ You it's just going to work. And ⁓ also old artists that I keep listening to that work. I have like there's music that, you know, I just know will work. ⁓ But I'm the same like a lot of the modern or like the new stuff. It's just, it's just noise, not necessarily like bad noise, but it's just like, it doesn't trigger. It's very superficial. A lot of it. And I have friends that are ⁓ particular friend and she get any ⁓ big emotions music like I do. Like she doesn't get that at all. And her entire Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: taste and music seems it's just music that makes her feel good. Like that is like very pop, you know, and just very positive sounds. But to me that is a lot of that music is not just boring, but it's rather jarring and like the way that I experience it, cannot, I would not be able to listen to it for very long because it would drive me mad. ⁓ just, it's like superficial scratching on my brain you know, rusty nails, although it's not it's not sounding bad, but it's just the way that it's like eating junk food. Basically, it's like as if you were eating junk food every day, all day the soul. And I cannot do this. Like I'm like my soul and my my spirit is like rambling. It's like I cannot expose myself to that music for so long because it just feels so damaging to my system in the long run. And I need to like Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: actually cleanse it out of my system. It feels re- or it sounds really intense strange ⁓ weird. ⁓ Yeah. ⁓ Amelie: But music is intense, I think. Yeah, but I think music is intense like that because not just like the sound it's the vibration, it's just the tone ⁓ there's just so much that goes into it ⁓ well, depending on who it as well, what was their intention. ⁓ It to you on a very deep level. ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. There's so much. Some people are like magicians when it comes to making music as well. There's just both the that they create the music and some people are good also with the actual ⁓ ⁓ then if the voice also fits and everything just creates this whole thing and you're like, did these people know or are they just intuitively, they're probably just intuitively just feeling it and they're just vibing with it and then they... do that and then it's like BOOM. Yeah, it's amazing. Music is great. Amelie: I have a... No, it's true. I have a friend. a singer-songwriter and not just because she's my friend. her voice is just delicate so strong at same time. ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: And she's been doing a lot of collaborations with other DJs and other people, which is really cool because her voice together with house beats or... just like a bit witchy, housey thing and her voice is just amazing. it's like, I'm not, I'm not trying to like, just because my friend is really not like that at all. But I, and I, I always said that to her. I, ⁓ her name Bryonii ⁓ Her name Bryonii and she's great. I, I'm just amazed that Lynn: PROMOTE Put her in the comments, put her in the, put her below. Amelie: you know, she hasn't had more exposure. than she has. And she has had, you know, there's, there's so many, you know, songs that she's done and there's the genres that are a little bit different as well, because she's been working with like different producers and stuff, which is really cool. But there's just something, just something like genuine in her voice and Lynn: Mm. Amelie: you can really feel the emotion when she's singing it. It's just just... See are people that have very good voices ⁓ and just trying to like like Mariah Carey they're trying to like hit the notes and they're just you know they like talent technically talented. ⁓ She's technically talented but also like it's ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: It comes from the soul. I guess it's also because most of the time she sings her own lyrics as well, so ⁓ have a different kind of, it's kind of like you're reading poetry. But yeah, I'll make sure I link. Yeah. ⁓ but she's amazing. Like I think I like, her voice is a voice that I just, I never, she... Lynn: you when I read them in my mind quietly, definitely. Yeah, then it sounds good. Yeah. Amelie: always when there's a new song or something that that always hits me like they always like it's very emotional so like i yeah i like that and when i was younger i never really i liked lyrics but then i listened to a lot of music with no lyrics because i found it really annoying dictated ⁓ the song is about like ⁓ are you telling me ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Amelie: what the song is about. I want to listen to the music and make up my own mind. Yeah, it's very random. Lynn: The rebel. Is this how you got into J-Rock and Visual Kei and you didn't understand the lyrics at first? Japanese music. Amelie: Maybe, maybe I really don't, I really don't remember how I got into this. I can't. Lynn: Yeah, because I feel that's... Oh my god, okay, tension. This could probably be a complete episode in itself, I don't know. But that's for me, because we share that. We've just found out by accident that we both have a history with Visual Kei and J-Rock bands. For me, I think it was in like 2009, 2007, something I think. It started with a six, something there. I think it started for me. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: The fascination that was for me in the beginning is because I did not at that point know any Japanese. the music hit on a level that no Western music has ever before that ever managed. It was everything. was the it was the ⁓ orchestra is the sounds hitting ⁓ even really good music. Like, I mean, I. I have a big Led Zeppelin thing, know, like, you know, some very old bands that really put a lot into their actually sounds, you know. So came close to the way that they operate with how they create the sounds. It made me feel things ⁓ I ⁓ and never felt before with music. ⁓ And interesting thing is that because then I got into Japanese ⁓ and started to actually understand the lyrics. And the lyrics usually did not fail me either, like because they're so like the language can be so beautiful and so poetic that it just all comes together. And then obviously some of the bands who have really beautiful vocals, you know, as well good ones you know, great ones, whatever. But it's like it comes together and it creates this whole symphony of don't know. It was Like for me, that was one of the things that pulled me into that whole thing because it made me feel stuff that I had not felt ever before with music. That was also before I went, before I was in touch with shamanism and actually before my whole journey that stuff. I was always interested in that, but the came first, I think, and that stuff. And then I understood stuff about it later, I suppose. But ⁓ ⁓ was big thing. And I feel a lot of people I think a lot of people share that. My also really started liking the music and she definitely doesn't understand Japanese. She can pick out a few words here and there nowadays, right? ⁓ But for it was very similar. She's also been ⁓ quite to music. I think I got that from her. But she was also like, know, goosebumps everywhere and she doesn't understand a single word, but it's just completely she's just like what? She's just crying without knowing why. And then the same thing. And then she got my now stepfather into some of the music as well. And he definitely doesn't understand Japanese. And he's ⁓ ⁓ person that I know to be very into music. But ⁓ was a very particular song. I remember he listened to it for the first time and he almost I think he almost had like a shamanic journey listening to it because he actually saw pictures of scenes that were happening. And he could see and he does not understand the lyrics, but he saw like somebody like on a hospital bed dying and stuff. And that is what's happening in the lyrics, you know? So I was like, magic. Yeah. ⁓ Amelie: Wow. ⁓ Yeah, that's really amazing. I'm still trying to think of like, where, where did it start for me? Normally, I don't remember things like that. I like, I'm a little bit of a perfectionist I like things in a very specific way. And I find that Japanese people in general, Japanese people that have a talent, it's not just about a talent. They take talent to a completely different level. If you are a singer or even I know that bass players normally are the ones that don't get a lot of, but they don't care. If they're a bass player, they want to be the best bass player. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Amelie: they can be. If you are, you know, a guitar player, you just, you do your best. And when you're on stage, you give your best when you sing, you give your best and you can really tell it's the soul that has been put in. And no matter what it is, even if it's, you know, like a Japanese punk band that's supposed to be sloppy, they sloppy. Lynn: Yeah. Hmm. Mm. Yeah. You can tell. Mm. Amelie: with the intention and like if I'm going to be sloppy I'm going to be like the best sloppy I can be. I ⁓ I really I ⁓ that they just give it the to that. Well you you also had ⁓ Lynn: The best. ⁓ Yeah, the genuinity combined with the talent and everything and yeah, but just the soul aspect is again, we are in a culture that is very animist as a base. is very soul, know, not our concept of soul, not the Christian concept of soul, the beast that something has spirit, right? A bespirted way basically of of things or animated like you know animus so that is that is everywhere and and in cultures like that it's it's just it's it hits so different you know they are submerged in this ⁓ if makes sense but like submerged in this whole like spirit ⁓ and soul ⁓ and you're doing something you do it with your all because what what is the point of doing something less than that, especially if it's something that you care for. Of course, if you don't care for something, you won't be able to do that. And you're just forced by your boss that you have to and by society and the standards. But if you're doing something that you really for, you will put you all into it. ⁓ you do it. You go on stage, even if you're sick, you go on stage with a broken bow. You go on stage even if you fall Amelie: Yeah. ⁓ Lynn: You know, because you just... It's that thing. And you can feel that. And you can feel that they really mean it with... It's just... There is no... mean, there's still music that is also superficial. It still exists. But with the music that I... It still exists! with the music that I was, yeah, in contact with or that bombarded me basically, all of felt like... This is... There's superficiality. Amelie: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Lynn: in this music, whatsoever. Like, you know, when they weren't so good in the beginning of their starter years and they were experienced, like some of the bands, you know, you can hear a definite difference, you know, that it just weren't so good yet, technically, but there was like the burn for something, you know, and then as they got better and older, it's just a cacophony of, it's just crazy. Yeah. So it's a thing. Amelie: Yeah, I liked some very underground Japanese bands, few of them back in the day, and I know some of my friends, why? Why this ⁓ appeal you? We just cannot hear it. ⁓ But always something either within the voice or within person. ⁓ And what really like as well is that ⁓ they ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mmm. Mmm. Mm. Amelie: have these characters. It's not like nowadays, it feels like I'm Britney Spears and it's very personal, like, this is me, I Britney Spears on stage, privately, blah blah blah blah, but I find... Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: Obviously not all of them. I do find that most of like Japanese, like the J-Rock band specifically, they have a character, they're in character and... Lynn: Hmm. Amelie: then you don't really know much about their private life. It's very like, you know, and people are very fine with that. They're in love with the character and they're giving them the fans, the character and what they love. And the fact that they are able to have a private life, you know, without... I know, that's what I said. I know it's not happening a lot, but... Lynn: Hmm. Mm. Some of them. Yeah. It's different. Yeah, it's definitely different. think. Yeah. Amelie: It's more, it's very different like this. Yeah, you said that you kind of got into the shamanism was a big part of you getting into Japanese music. I find that really interesting. think my like, yeah, I think, oh yeah, got it from that. Lynn: It was the other way around. Yeah, the music came first, shamanism came later, but I kind of, yeah, but... Amelie: See, because of our thing that we haven't really explained to our listeners now, think it's very interesting. to ⁓ it now because you understand and maybe you'll talk about it. I know we'll talk about it at some point. ⁓ me, ⁓ always had a fascination with vampires ⁓ I think that really tied me Japanese music as well because one of my ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Versailles and D. Who was your favorite? D. Amelie: Yeah, D has been my number one. Asagi I do like Ruiza as well because his guitar play is just so on point. Lynn: you Mm-hmm. those thighs. I mean. Visual K, it's very visual. ⁓ Amelie: I used to listen to lot of Mois De Mois as well, and Mana had, and ⁓ is a very obsecure ⁓ ⁓ I know they used to have a different singer in the beginning as well, and then they had Fuki that was singing, and his voice is very... Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hmm. Amelie: It's not like good singing voice, but it has that weird soul that I really like. I don't know, it just takes me to this catacomb of just, I don't there's, ⁓ it's like said, you listen to the music and it takes you to a place. Lynn: you Amelie: Why I don't find music nowadays does that. It's not taking me to like a magical place of any kind. ⁓ Lynn: Hmm. Yeah, yeah, they're really good at creating these worlds too. mean like all these I don't even remember all those actual technical terms, but like all these bands that are very much Versailles or D ⁓ all these bands are very visual. So if you've never heard of visual kei or J-rock ⁓ go check it out But they are on stage. Like you said, they are characters and they are extremely visual. It's very beautiful to look at both in their like videos and they're also like that in stage and for example that's Versailles and they have a particular they have very it's kind of like a almost like an opera voice ish all men ⁓ most most of Asagi as well yes and they dress in these really like like Amelie: I mean Asagi is literally an opera singer. Lynn: like France, Versailles in what the 1600 or something with these outfits like that kind of that kind of style and then they are in that world and they create their own world so I feel like Versailles is also a little bit like Kamijo he's just doing a tour I think like a world tour again. I've never been like a super fan of like Kamijo and Versailles but I appreciate them appreciate them and Kamijo is Amelie: Yeah. Yes. ⁓ well. Yeah. Lynn: He's basically Lestat. Like his whole aesthetic, like the Tom Cruise Lestat, like, you know, the blonde, long hair, you know, the tight, the whole outfit. I mean, just check him out. Kamijo Versailles, and you will get an idea. So, you know, there's this kind of style. And Asagi from the band D, just the letter D, had a good friend who loved D, it was one of her favorite bands. Amelie: you Lynn: seen some of their shows, fantastic. And Asagi's voice is incredible, opera voice. They also have like this very gothic slash vampire aesthetic, is very beautiful. Beautiful dresses. Because here we have cross-dressing and the visual case scene. We have a lot of males that are proud but they look also kabuki theater. Yes. Amelie: Absolutely. It comes a lot from Kabuki I think as well, that kind of side so it's not like... It has a different meaning to... Japan that it has like... it's not the same as it is like here I find. Lynn: Mmm. It's a different vibe. ⁓ But it is so fun to introduce visual Kei bands ⁓ men because they get, that are heterosexual because they get so confused. They're like, she's so pretty and she's so pretty and wow. they're like, mm-hmm, that's all men. And then they, you you can really test people's men's kind you know, limits for that. like, you know, if you cannot accept your own Amelie: you Yeah... Lynn: kind of homosexual side then ⁓ can test it really well. Yeah, because they are, yeah, it's very visual and pretty and I don't know, like I've not super into the vampire core, like I like ⁓ some of but I'm a different person. there's so many bands that are just visually stunning or cool. I mean, there's some that are such as grotesque or Like one of my favorite bands is one of the most known ones, so they're not really underground anymore. Dir en Grey are actually known overseas now. one of the oldest Visual Kei bands now and they are superstars at this point. Visual has always an underground movement, but they are big ⁓ as long as Gazette for example, also used to be one of my favorites ⁓ back then. Not so much, but back then. Amelie: I love them too. Yeah. Lynn: And now they're both very, very big. ⁓ is an underground thing. They sing about things ⁓ talk about things that is very rebellious. And is very much ⁓ society, critique, society which is not seen as something good ⁓ in Japan, where it's like a few other ⁓ the nail sticks out, you have to be hammered in. ⁓ There's individuality. not really traditionally a thing that. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: was celebrated. So they're very much going against the grain in what they sing, what they do. And Dir en Grey especially have been playing a lot with the grotesque thing a lot. It's they have that in the beginning 10 years or so of their career, most of their videos, their music videos are brutal, horrifying, grotesque. It's it's things that can turn your stomach with also quite heavy sounds. ballads and yeah, one of my favorite bands Amazing the yeah, can talk I can talk about this for like 10 hours straight. We don't have that much time ⁓ We make a probably you just make another episode only talking about visual Kei and J rock we can do that but yeah, there's a lot of good stuff to check out if you're curious just Amelie: I was thinking about it, I feel like we could probably talk about this forever. Yeah. Yeah. Lynn: So yeah, D or Versailles for the more opera metal Dir en Grey is a good one for the more... A lot of people who like heavy metal, they have easier way to get into the J-Rock through Dir en Grey. Gazette is a thing and but there's also like so many like the smaller bands that are still very underground that are good ⁓ underrated yeah names ⁓ it's just when I have to come up with names one of the few bands from the that are relatively new ⁓ Sasa but they're a bit difficult to find but they are on Spotify have really good stuff Diaurr D-I-A-U-R-R have a good good stuff. Roma is quite heavy. Amazing ⁓ and vocals. These are a bit more modern. Buck is one of my favorites. Completely different. They're also visual Kei Yeah. Yeah, very old school. They're also one of the oldest and they're more floaty. ⁓ Kei not really a genre. It's more like it's the style. Amelie: old school. Lynn: And then there's a lot of genres within it. So a lot of it is rock, but there's also very pop stuff like Nine, for example, or Doubt. ⁓ a bit more fun or, God, En café is very known, also in the West known band. They're also very poppy, very fun. Or Sidoh, also a bit more fun. Beautiful light vocals, male singer, one of my favorite bands as well. But yeah, so there's a lot of genres and Baktik is more like floaty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kagero, Ichi ni Zero Ichi ni like one two zero one two. like some of the old bands or Hyde and Gokt of course are two of them. ⁓ Amelie: There's so many like old school ones that I don't even remember. Yeah. Yeah, we can't, no, you just cannot forget about that. I was thinking about him. Yeah. Lynn: They are the start, they started a lot. L'Arc en Ciel was the band that Hyde was in. They're also a bit more pop-ish. Yeah, yeah. They're also a bit more floaty and It's very, there's a lot of like very dreamy. Bucktick as well, very dreamy, beautiful vocals of Archie. Just to Bucktick, some of the stuff, you go on a trip without needing anything else other than the music. It's really... Amelie: Yeah, I do love L'Arc Ancien, that's one of my faves. but yeah. They're very dreamy. Lynn: It's a whole different world. yeah, holes. These the J Rock Visual K Rabbit holes. Please guys go and if you're curious. Nostalgic. There's so much good. Mjavi is so good, but he's very punky. He's a bit more punky-ish rock. He's an amazing dude. He's like, know, tattoos all over. Mohawk, one guitar, nothing else, produces crazy sounds. Amelie: Nostalgic. Yes. Lynn: He's like a pioneer of what you can do with trust yourself and a guitar. Like he's slapping it and banging it. And now with social media, you've probably seen other people do that. But he was like one of the first people that I know have ever done that. And you just stand there like, how the fuck is he producing all these sounds? So Mjavi, very, very, very cool guy. Yeah. Yeah, goes all out. He really, I've seen him on stage and he actually fainted on stage and then they just Amelie: Yeah. goes all out. All out. Lynn: pulled him back, gave him some pills and he came back and was like, ⁓ you know, it's like, Jesus, we would not, you know, was like a board mission, but it's like, no, we gotta get out of there. It's like, it's crazy. Yeah. They don't take good care of their health. en soi, a of people, a lot of them have like French names and they obviously, ⁓ they it, fascination, yeah. The style and the clothing, yes. Amelie: Slap, slap, slap, get out. No. They have a French fascination because of the clothing and the studs. Lynn: ⁓ And their band name is always crazy but ⁓ Rentre en Soir or Rientrez en Soir or how they pronounce it. one of the a bit older bands, one of my favorites. Amelie: Despair Despair's Ray as well. They're not super big, but I really love them. They're one of my... I really rate them really good. Lynn: Despair's Ray. Yeah. No they're not, no. Yeah. That's amazing vocals too, like really, really strong. But yeah, Rentre en Soir is also one of them that are actually now that I'm older ⁓ wiser, I feel there's a lot of mysticism actually in his stuff. ⁓ he's actually talking or he's singing a lot about that the actual tree ⁓ life. I feel he's got he's into that stuff. And I didn't know this. when I was listening to him a lot. But now that I know about the Kabbalah more, I can see his influence. And I don't know personally what it is, but from what he's singing about and the words that he's describing and how he is living the music with, it's very magical. It's very beautiful that there is He does talk about Ain sof Awud actually, like, you know, from, you from the Tree of Life. So he's actually has a whole Amelie: The, the, the. Lynn: album title, I think, and a song title called that. And I've never understood it because they often have really random and titles. I was like, I don't know what it means. But now I know. ⁓ you know, the big the big light, the nothingness, ⁓ light with the night. Yeah, whatever. It's like the void. ⁓ So mysticist, really, really lovely stuff. yeah. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: Go check it out. Amelie: I feel like I always been the person that liked to buy albums. I don't have Spotify, like I don't have Spotify and I don't have any kind of musical. I used to have Spotify when it first came out. It was like a new thing and I could not find any good music on there. And that was when Spotify came out. I was already listening to like J-Rock and Visual Kei So Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm. Amelie: I could not find this type of music, because they were like, ⁓ it's amazing, I could find anything. And I couldn't find anything Japanese on there. So I was like, no, delete, delete, delete. So I just deleted it, and I never used it since. Not thinking that it's been like, what, 20 years or so. So I'm thinking like, maybe I should. Lynn: Yeah. No, there was nothing on there in the beginning. Mmm. Mmm. Yeah. There's more on that now. Yeah, there's more now, but you don't find like obviously don't find all the indie bands. You found a few, but it's like back then, I mean also YouTube is like I had everything on YouTube and then I also bought stuff or pirate thing. But yeah, yeah. Amelie: Yeah, I have, I have like from the time when I was really into D, I have like a stack of CDs of my favorite CDs and some other bands as well that I could get hold of. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Hmm. Yeah. Amelie: and I still have them here in London as well because I know my mum has like probably thousands of my CDs but those ones I took with me because I just I'm taking them with me I'm not chancing but that's I find this is something that I find really annoying with into this kind of music it gets very difficult to get the music Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm. Yes. They're important, yeah. Amelie: So I think this is why I kind of stopped listening to it because it just got too much. think also because I was living in London, it just got so hectic. There were just certain things that had to go. And sadly, I just didn't have time to chase music, chase CDs and chase all the bootlegs. you know, it got too much, which is a shame. Lynn: Yeah. Mm. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Amelie: I would definitely... I think if any kind of music could my interest in music or listening to more music, would be listening to probably Japanese rock more. I think I just have a feeling that that is... ⁓ Lynn: Okay, I will get you... I'll catch you up with some recent albums that you might have missed, so just you get back into it. Amelie: Yeah, I've missed a lot. know I have. also I remember that ⁓ are a few bands ⁓ also found that I like the old stuff, but the new stuff because as bands become more and more popular, they sign up with bigger record labels. So they have to adhere to certain ⁓ and certain types ⁓ music. ⁓ ⁓ I just... Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: I like, I didn't like certain albums because they were newer and they had to kind of, you could tell that they had to kind of accommodate the crowd more than, ⁓ but ⁓ yeah, yeah, but know, it is what it is. There must be some small bands still available somewhere, please. ⁓ Lynn: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was a bit with some of the bands, There is. Yes, I shall send you some stuff. Live happening now. We are re-animating Amelie live on air. Awesome. Wow. This was a yeah, this has been a great session. Once more. Yeah, long episode. Worth while for us. words? That was really nice and quite passionate. me talk about the music. Amelie: Great, perfect. Yeah. A long episode, but worthwhile. Lynn: So yeah, cool. Thank you, Amelie. Thanks guys for checking in. Yeah, thank you. As always, if you like this, just give us the thumbs up ⁓ subscribe, comment below. ⁓ if you generally like what you're doing ⁓ ⁓ to support us in any way, we do have a buy us a coffee account. So if you like, you can buy us a coffee or two. Thank you very much. Amelie: Thank you, Lynn. Lynn: Good night. Amelie: Bye!