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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And The Jury That Convicted Her (9/11/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. So this situation with
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Speaker 1: juror number 50 is still yet to be decided. Well,
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Speaker 1: now Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers have come out and they're saying
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Speaker 1: that Scotty David, juror number 50, should have never even
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Speaker 1: been on this jury. Now that is the point of contention,
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Speaker 1: isn't it? Should he have been on this jury or
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Speaker 1: shouldn't he have been on this jury? Well, That's what
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Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out as we speak. And the
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Speaker 1: decision is going to come down to what Judge Nathan
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Speaker 1: makes of all of this. So if she thinks that
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Speaker 1: Maxwell deserves a new trial, that's where we're going to
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Speaker 1: end up. On the flip side of that, if Judge
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Speaker 1: Nathan rules that, you know, Scotty David just misremembered here
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Speaker 1: and didn't lie. Well, there'll be no mistrial and we'll
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Speaker 1: move on to the sentencing phase. Now, I hope that
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Speaker 1: that is the route that we go, right? I don't
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Speaker 1: want to deal with another trial here. I know none
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Speaker 1: of you want to deal with another trial. And I
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Speaker 1: certainly know that the survivors don't. And really, that's what
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Speaker 1: it comes down to for me, right? Those ladies, those women,
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Speaker 1: they don't deserve to go through this nonsense again. To
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Speaker 1: relive all of this, this nightmare. So I hope, beyond hope,
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Speaker 1: that the court finds that things might have been a
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Speaker 1: little wonky. But not out of line. That is my hope.
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Speaker 1: But we'll have to see what Judge Nathan has to say.
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Speaker 1: And you know that Maxwell's lawyers are going to be
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Speaker 1: forceful as they try and request this new trial, try
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Speaker 1: and request a new hearing to get their client off.
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Speaker 1: So let's jump into this article from The Guardian and
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Speaker 1: let's see what Victoria Bikimpis has to say. Headline. Glenn
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Speaker 1: Maxwell lawyers say Scotty David should never have been on
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Speaker 1: the jury. Attorneys reject explanation that Juror 50 flew through
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Speaker 1: the screening questionnaire, which would have flagged he had been
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Speaker 1: sexually abused. And if I was the lawyers, I'd be
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Speaker 1: saying the same thing, right? Hey, look, this guy obviously lied.
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Speaker 1: We need a new trial. What the hell's going on here?
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Speaker 1: And from my seat in the peanut gallery, that seems
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Speaker 1: to be a pretty strong argument, right? Look, again, I'm
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Speaker 1: not a lawyer. And I don't, you know... I don't
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Speaker 1: know the ins and outs on how these kind of
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Speaker 1: things usually work, but I know that if it was
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Speaker 1: me and this juror might have lied and I was,
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Speaker 1: you know, looking at 80 years, I'd be doing everything
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Speaker 1: in my power to try and get a new trial
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Speaker 1: as well. Now, we all know that that doesn't work
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Speaker 1: out so well for people in the justice system, right?
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Speaker 1: When the court makes a decision, more times than not,
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Speaker 1: that's the decision that stands. And we've seen that over
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Speaker 1: and over in this Maxwell case, especially how many times
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Speaker 1: has she taken it to the appeals court only to
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Speaker 1: have the appeals court flip it right back down to
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Speaker 1: judge Nathan. Glenn Maxwell's lawyers have said the juror who
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Speaker 1: did not disclose childhood sexual abuse provided a dubious explanation
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Speaker 1: for the omission as they once again requested a new trial. Hey,
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Speaker 1: look again, I don't find his explanation to be very
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Speaker 1: powerful or to be very convincing either, to be honest
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Speaker 1: with you. And I really think that this guy threw
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Speaker 1: a wrench in things here. You gotta be an honest person, right?
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Speaker 1: Especially in a situation like this. When you know that
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Speaker 1: if you're out here bullshitting around, screwing things up, mucking
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Speaker 1: things up, you could start the process all over again.
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Speaker 1: And like Maria Farmer said last night during the interview,
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Speaker 1: how many more roadblocks do these ladies need? The juror,
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Speaker 1: Scotty David, was questioned in court on the 8th of
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Speaker 1: March about his lack of disclosure. David, who was juror 50,
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Speaker 1: told the judge, Allison Nathan, that he was distracted when
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Speaker 1: he flew through a screening questionnaire for potential panelists. The
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Speaker 1: court has now heard from juror 50 in his own words.
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Speaker 1: If there is one thing we learned from Juror 50
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Speaker 1: at the hearing, it is this. He should have never
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Speaker 1: been a member of this jury, Maxwell's lawyers said in
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Speaker 1: court papers. And again, they don't have a weak argument here, right?
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Speaker 1: But we have to remember and frame the argument up
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Speaker 1: against the backdrop of what precedent has to say. And
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Speaker 1: for Team Maxwell, they're going to sink their teeth into
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Speaker 1: anything they can sink their teeth into at this point.
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Speaker 1: They're like a drowning man, right? Any piece of debris. So,
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Speaker 1: of course, they're going to latch on to this and
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Speaker 1: hope beyond hope that they can finagle this some way
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Speaker 1: and manipulate this some way to make it really look like,
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Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of malfeasance done here
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Speaker 1: so that they can get that new trial. That is
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Speaker 1: their goal. Moreover, his answers to the court's questions, which
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Speaker 1: he gave after careful preparation by his attorney... and under
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Speaker 1: the protection of government-granted immunity, alternated between inconsistent, implausible, and contradictory,
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Speaker 1: and at all times, lacked credibility. Yikes. That's pretty harsh.
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Speaker 1: That's a pretty harsh statement from Maxwell's team, but you
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Speaker 1: shouldn't expect any less from these people. You saw the
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Speaker 1: way they went after the survivors. You really think Juror
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Speaker 1: 50 is going to be spared from their wrath? Zero chance. But, Look,
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Speaker 1: this guy made his own bed, let's not forget. Nobody
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Speaker 1: told him he had to lie or fly through the questionnaire.
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Speaker 1: Nobody forced him to do any of that. He chose
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Speaker 1: to do all of that. Juror 50's explanation that he
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Speaker 1: flew through the questionnaire does not hold water. and is
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Speaker 1: repeated after the fact assurances that the sexual abuse he
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Speaker 1: suffered as a child did not affect his ability to
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Speaker 1: be a fair and impartial juror were self-serving and simply
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Speaker 1: not believable. So basically, they're just calling this dude a
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Speaker 1: straight-up liar. That's what Maxwell's team is asserting. This dude's
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Speaker 1: a liar, and he is the reason why Maxwell got convicted.
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Speaker 1: That is what her team is trying to say, and
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Speaker 1: that's how they're trying to frame their argument. That this
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Speaker 1: dude can't be believed... He's an absolute liar... Not a
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Speaker 1: trustworthy guy... Lied to get on the jury... Lied about this...
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Speaker 1: Lied about that... And they're really trying to drive that
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Speaker 1: point home... Like anyone in his position... Juror 50 does
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Speaker 1: not want to be responsible... For the retrial of Ghislaine Maxwell...
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Speaker 1: So he attempted to give innocuous explanations... For his false
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Speaker 1: questionnaire responses... And his decision to tell his story... To
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Speaker 1: the international press... Following the trial... Well, yeah, who wants
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Speaker 1: to be that person? Imagine going down in history as
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Speaker 1: the moron who caused a retrial for Ghislaine Maxwell. Talk
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Speaker 1: about going down in infamy. But, you know, look, that
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Speaker 1: is definitely a possibility here. Is it likely? Look, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. All right. But it's definitely a possibility here.
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Speaker 1: And if Maxwell's lawyers can find a way to finagle
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Speaker 1: this conversation and bend it more to their will, then
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Speaker 1: who knows what will happen. but I think it's going
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Speaker 1: to be a tough road for Ghislaine Maxwell to get
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Speaker 1: another trial here. David said in court that his omission
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Speaker 1: had been an honest mistake and he had not lied
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Speaker 1: to serve on Maxwell's jury. David was granted immunity to
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Speaker 1: answer Nathan's questions, having previously stated that he would invoke
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Speaker 1: his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. And again, look, That
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Speaker 1: is certainly within your ability, right? It's your right to
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Speaker 1: plead the fifth. But it doesn't look good in a
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Speaker 1: situation like this, especially. You know, there's already questions about
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Speaker 1: what this guy is up to. And then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, well, you know what? I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: answer any of these questions. I'm going to plead the fifth. Uh, what? So,
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Speaker 1: of course, people who are paying attention or watching what's
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Speaker 1: going on here scratch their head and say, well, why
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Speaker 1: are you pleading the fifth? Why don't you just tell
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Speaker 1: the court what happened? Be honest, be truthful. But he
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Speaker 1: didn't want to incriminate himself, right? He understands that, you know,
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Speaker 1: he could have been in jeopardy of some legal trouble.
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Speaker 1: So he's like, you know what? I'm going to just
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Speaker 1: plead the fifth here and hope the government gives me
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Speaker 1: a little immunity. We had to be at the courthouse
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Speaker 1: super early, David told Nathan, and I got here early
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Speaker 1: and it took 45 minutes just to get through the
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Speaker 1: security line. All of these little excuses that he's given,
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Speaker 1: they all fall flat to me, honestly. I really don't
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Speaker 1: have any time for that kind of stuff. Oh, it
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Speaker 1: was busy. Well, what did you think was going to happen? Oh,
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Speaker 1: I got there super early. Well, yeah, that's what you're
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Speaker 1: supposed to do. What is this guy even talking about?
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Speaker 1: When they finally got the questionnaires hours later, David heard
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Speaker 1: papers being ripped off the questionnaire packets and people asking questions. Oh,
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Speaker 1: so people asking questions and paper being ripped off of
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Speaker 1: packets causes you to answer questions incorrectly or fly through
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Speaker 1: the questionnaire? What does that even mean, man? All of
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Speaker 1: these reasons, all of these excuses he has given are ridiculous, honestly.
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Speaker 1: If I'm being real, they're ridiculous. We just sat there
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Speaker 1: for three hours. I didn't have a phone. I didn't
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Speaker 1: have a book, David said. I was just sitting, sitting
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Speaker 1: there twiddling my thumbs, thinking about the breakup that just
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Speaker 1: happened a few weeks prior and sitting in my feelings
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Speaker 1: and not very focused. Well, you should have asked to
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Speaker 1: be excused then. What are you doing? Why are you
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Speaker 1: sitting around there if that's the sort of state of
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Speaker 1: mind you're in? Go tell the jurors. Go tell the judge, hey, look,
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Speaker 1: I can't do this. I just had this bad breakup.
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Speaker 1: I can't focus correctly. I think somebody else would be
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Speaker 1: better served to serve on this jury. But no, he doesn't.
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Speaker 1: do any of that, did he? A jury convicted Maxwell
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Speaker 1: on the 29th of December of sex trafficking and related
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Speaker 1: charges for procuring girls, some as young as 14, for
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Speaker 1: the now deceased pedophile, not financier, Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell maintains her innocence. Oh, I'm sure she does. You know,
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Speaker 1: according to Glenn Maxwell, nothing illegal ever occurred. What she
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Speaker 1: did was on the up and up. That's how people
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Speaker 1: conduct themselves in their world, isn't it? Oh, it's no
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Speaker 1: big deal. Just come over here and give Jeffrey a massage.
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Speaker 1: Sick people. The whole lot of them are a bunch
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Speaker 1: of sick, disgusting animals. Epstein, a convicted sex offender who
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Speaker 1: once counted powerful people, including Prince Andrew and his circle,
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Speaker 1: was arrested in July of 2019 for sex trafficking. He
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Speaker 1: killed himself while awaiting trial in New York federal jail. Allegedly. Right? Look, again,
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Speaker 1: with the Epstein death, we don't have enough information one
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Speaker 1: way or the other to say what happened in that
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Speaker 1: jail cell. Right? At least I don't. Certainly not for me.
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Speaker 1: And Bill Barr coming out and telling me, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: You just have to believe what I'm telling you here, guys.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. That certainly is not enough for me.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell's watershed conviction was hurled into possible disarray following David's
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Speaker 1: post-trial interviews, in which he mentioned being sexually abused as
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Speaker 1: a child. David said that he told his fellow jurors
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Speaker 1: about this to help them understand facts from a victim's
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Speaker 1: point of view. Again, Have we talked to the other jurors?
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Speaker 1: Are they going to come out and say that? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is the truth. I was swayed by this guy.
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Speaker 1: So who knows what Nathan is up to behind the scenes,
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Speaker 1: but I would think that that would be the right
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Speaker 1: way to go. Did this guy really, you know, massage
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Speaker 1: you one way or the other? What's, you know, what's up?
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Speaker 1: David's statement spurred controversy as potential jurors were queried about
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Speaker 1: past abuse during jury selection. Have you or a friend
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Speaker 1: ever been the victim of sexual harassment, sexual abuse, or
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Speaker 1: sexual assault? Was one such prompt on the questionnaire. Who
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Speaker 1: can really answer no to that, though, honestly? Does anyone
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Speaker 1: know somebody who hasn't been sexually harassed, sexually abused, or
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Speaker 1: sexually assaulted at this point in time? And that's really
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Speaker 1: just a telling narrative on society in general, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: After David's comments emerged, prosecutors asked Nathan to conduct an
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Speaker 1: inquiry into his statements, a request that was quickly echoed
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Speaker 1: by Maxwell's lawyers. Maxwell's legal team has repeatedly asked for
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Speaker 1: a new trial over David's comments. And that's where we're at, right?
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Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out what the next move is here.
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Speaker 1: Are we going right to sentencing, or is it going
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Speaker 1: to be a mistrial, and we're going back to the
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Speaker 1: starting line to start this thing all over again? And
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Speaker 1: I really, really hope that that is not the case.
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Speaker 1: In paperwork filed on Tuesday, prosecutors argued against the new trial,
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Speaker 1: pointing to David's insistence that he did not omit anything intentionally.
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Speaker 1: Even if David had disclosed his past abuse, That would
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Speaker 1: not have outright disqualified him from serving on the jury,
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Speaker 1: they said. And that is the truth, right? When you
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Speaker 1: come out and say, hey, look, I was abused, you
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Speaker 1: answer honestly, that doesn't automatically mean you're not going to
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Speaker 1: be on the jury. Chances are the defense is going
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Speaker 1: to say, nah, let's get rid of this guy. Bring
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Speaker 1: somebody who's a little more neutral in. Chances are that's
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Speaker 1: going to happen. But we don't know. Nobody knows the future.
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Speaker 1: Nobody knows what would have happened. After the thoughtful and
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Speaker 1: thorough hearing held by this court, it is crystal clear
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Speaker 1: that the defendant received a fair trial, prosecutors wrote. Juror
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Speaker 1: 50's sworn testimony at the hearing made evident that he
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Speaker 1: did not deliberately lie in completing that questionnaire, but that
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Speaker 1: he instead made an honest mistake. And if it's determined
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Speaker 1: that it was an honest mistake by Judge Nathan, then
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Speaker 1: it's a wrap, folks. Put a bow on it. Let's
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Speaker 1: move on to sentencing. And that's the point we're at, right?
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Speaker 1: Everyone's made their arguments. All the facts as we know
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Speaker 1: them have been put forth. Now Judge Nathan is going
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Speaker 1: to make a determination one way or the other. The
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Speaker 1: defendant cannot demonstrate that Juror 50 was biased. At the hearing,
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Speaker 1: Juror 50 repeatedly denied that he harbored any bias or
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Speaker 1: feelings one way or another with respect to the defendants
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Speaker 1: or the government. Prosecutors also wrote to the contrary, juror
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Speaker 1: 50 consistently testified that he was fair and impartial in
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Speaker 1: this case and that he rendered a verdict consistent with
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Speaker 1: the evidence and the court's instructions of law. Well, that's
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Speaker 1: a pretty powerful statement by the prosecution and maybe a
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Speaker 1: little bit overblown. Right. But hey, look. Let's be clear.
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Speaker 1: The prosecution has a job to do. They don't want
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Speaker 1: this to be a mistrial, more than we do even.
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Speaker 1: Go back and start all over. It looks really bad
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Speaker 1: for them. So they're going to do everything they can
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Speaker 1: to make sure that this conviction sticks as well, as
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Speaker 1: they should, by the way. Because let's be honest. Does
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Speaker 1: anyone really think Ghislaine Maxwell didn't deserve to be convicted here?
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on. All of that evidence that we heard,
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Speaker 1: and then at the very end for Annie to come
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Speaker 1: out and drop the hammer with her testimony, it was
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Speaker 1: a wrap, at least in my opinion anyway. It is
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Speaker 1: unclear when Judge Nathan will rule on the attorney's latest arguments.
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Speaker 1: Long-time attorneys have previously told The Guardian that a retrial
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Speaker 1: is unlikely. Again, who knows in the world of Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein and Glenn Maxwell what's likely and unlikely at this point.
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Speaker 1: But it certainly seems like Judge Nathan is leaning towards
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Speaker 1: this verdict being upheld. And if that's the case, we'll
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Speaker 1: move on to sentencing. And Maxwell's team, while they'll be
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Speaker 1: focusing on sentencing, they'll be moving on to trying to
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Speaker 1: get this appealed. So we'll have to see what happens
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Speaker 1: here and we'll see which way the ball bounces. But...
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Speaker 1: You know, it's my opinion that we're going to see
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Speaker 1: the sentencing phase very soon. That's what my gut is
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Speaker 1: telling me right now, especially after Scotty David had his
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Speaker 1: little talk with Nathan. She didn't seem to be swayed
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Speaker 1: too much as far as what the defense was trying
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Speaker 1: to go for. So we'll have to see. But it
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Speaker 1: doesn't look too promising for Ghislaine Maxwell and her legal team.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, that is going to do it for
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Speaker 1: this morning's update. Last night, I spent some time with
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Speaker 1: Maria Farmer, and we had a fantastic conversation for about
16:44
Speaker 1: an hour. Talked about Epstein, obviously, Maxwell, obviously, but the
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Speaker 1: main portion of the conversation revolved around Les Wexner. So
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Speaker 1: if you haven't checked that episode out yet, go back
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Speaker 1: to last night, the evening update, and definitely download that one.
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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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Speaker 1: Before we dive into the content for today, I wanted
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Speaker 1: to take a minute to wish all of you and
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Speaker 1: your families a very, very Merry Christmas. I know that
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Speaker 1: it's been a rough year, rough couple of years for
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Speaker 1: just about all of us. But hopefully for the next
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Speaker 1: couple of days at least, we can put all of
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Speaker 1: that stuff to the side and we can spend this
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Speaker 1: time with our family, our loved ones, our friends, whoever
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Speaker 1: it may be. And take an account on what good
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Speaker 1: stuff we have in our lives, right? I know it's
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Speaker 1: easy to focus on how bad things are and how
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Speaker 1: disastrous the world around us is. But every now and then,
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Speaker 1: we have to take a minute to appreciate the good
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Speaker 1: things in life and appreciate the people who we love
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Speaker 1: and care about and the people who care about and
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Speaker 1: love us. And what better time to do that than
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Speaker 1: right here around the holidays? So I wanted to let
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Speaker 1: because there are a million other options for you out there.
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Speaker 1: Yet you continuously choose to come to my podcast and
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Speaker 1: hang out with me and shoot the shit about a
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Speaker 1: heavy ass subject. So I appreciate all of you and
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Speaker 1: I am very thankful for all of you as well.
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Speaker 1: And I hope that you take the time out of
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Speaker 1: your schedule, the time out of your day, whatever it
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Speaker 1: may be, and carve that time out for yourself and
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Speaker 1: your loved ones. Because guess what, folks? Life is real short, right?
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Speaker 1: And when it's all over, it seems like it was
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Speaker 1: just a minute. So if we don't snatch some of
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Speaker 1: that goodness one weekend, boy, oh boy, I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 1: So I really hope that all of you, from the
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Speaker 1: bottom of my heart, Have an amazing Christmas, an amazing
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Speaker 1: holiday season, and let's hope that this upcoming year is
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Speaker 1: the best one that any of us have ever had.
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Speaker 1: With that said, we're going to jump into an article
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Speaker 1: today from Insider, and this article is about the juror
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Speaker 1: notes again, and I figured that we have this recess
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Speaker 1: time and a little more time to build on this topic,
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Speaker 1: we might as well do that, considering it was probably
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Speaker 1: the most quote-unquote important thing to occur during the deliberations.
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Speaker 1: So I figured we'd dive back into this and spend
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Speaker 1: our morning talking about these notes once again. This article
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Speaker 1: is from Jacob Shamzian over at Insider. And the headline is,
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Speaker 1: Juror notes in Ghislaine Maxwell child sex trafficking trial show
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Speaker 1: that they're taking her accusers seriously, legal experts say. Now,
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Speaker 1: we read about this previously over at Law and Crime.
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Speaker 1: The day that this was happening, we had a breakdown
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Speaker 1: from Adam Klassfeld. Now, with a few days to chew
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Speaker 1: on it a little bit, let's see what Insider has
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Speaker 1: come up with. On Wednesday afternoon, the 12 jurors deliberating
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell's fate gave everyone a surprise. No, they hadn't
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Speaker 1: come to a decision yet. And no, they wouldn't reach
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Speaker 1: one before Christmas. That the jurors needed more than two
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Speaker 1: days to decide whether Maxwell would be found guilty or
21:00
Speaker 1: acquitted of six complicated counts wasn't necessarily unexpected. Maxwell, a
21:05
Speaker 1: child of the former British media baron Robert Maxwell, stands
21:09
Speaker 1: accused of trafficking girls to Jeffrey Epstein for sex and
21:13
Speaker 1: sometimes participating in sexual abuse herself. She has denied all
21:17
Speaker 1: the charges. So, at first glance, it would look to me, right,
21:23
Speaker 1: as somebody who's sitting in the peanut gallery and who
21:26
Speaker 1: doesn't even watch Law & Order, never mind know about
21:28
Speaker 1: procedurals in the courtroom, but it would look to me
21:32
Speaker 1: As if the jury is just being very thorough here.
21:36
Speaker 1: They're going over every last bit of information that they can.
21:40
Speaker 1: So that they don't forget anything or leave anything out.
21:44
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you. If my life was
21:46
Speaker 1: on the line. And I was a defendant. I'd want
21:49
Speaker 1: the jury to take their time too. Be very very
21:51
Speaker 1: meticulous if you will. But... You know, the cynic in me,
21:56
Speaker 1: like I said yesterday, wants me to say, oh man,
21:59
Speaker 1: this is bad news for the prosecution. The defense is
22:02
Speaker 1: really going to, you know, find a way to wiggle
22:05
Speaker 1: off here. And the cynic in me wants to say that.
22:08
Speaker 1: But who knows what's going to happen? And who knows
22:11
Speaker 1: what these jurors are thinking? You want to think that
22:15
Speaker 1: these jurors, you know, heard the same testimony that we
22:18
Speaker 1: did and know that Maxwell was a huge part of it.
22:22
Speaker 1: But again, we're talking about human beings here and human
22:26
Speaker 1: nature in general is unreliable. Jurors and other trials have
22:34
Speaker 1: taken longer for less complicated allegations. But the prosecutors and
22:38
Speaker 1: defense attorneys had both previously expected the jurors want to
22:41
Speaker 1: go home before the U.S. District Court in Manhattan closed
22:45
Speaker 1: its doors on Thursday ahead of Maxwell's birthday on Christmas Day.
22:49
Speaker 1: And as a juror, you would think, right, yeah, I
22:51
Speaker 1: want to get this wrapped up. I mean, now you
22:54
Speaker 1: got to go to Christmas dinner. You know, your family's
22:57
Speaker 1: going to have questions. You can't talk about it. You know,
23:00
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, pass me the ham. But you know
23:03
Speaker 1: what I heard about Glenn Maxwell? And that's what you're
23:05
Speaker 1: thinking as a juror in your head as you're having
23:07
Speaker 1: your Christmas dinner. Maybe it's just my anxiety, but there's
23:11
Speaker 1: no way that I'd want that hanging over me. I'd
23:14
Speaker 1: be like, nah, we gotta get this hammered out, folks.
23:16
Speaker 1: I need to be able to eat my turkey in
23:18
Speaker 1: peace and not think about Ghislaine Maxwell's gross ass. But
23:23
Speaker 1: these jurors, they're being deliberate, right? They're being very surgical
23:27
Speaker 1: with what they're doing. Allison Nathan, the judge overseeing the case,
23:38
Speaker 1: squeezed closing arguments and her charging conference into one marathon
23:41
Speaker 1: day on Monday. given them a couple of days to
23:44
Speaker 1: deliberate in the late afternoon before continuing on Tuesday and Wednesday.
23:49
Speaker 1: When she offered to keep the courthouse open for them Thursday,
23:52
Speaker 1: they responded with a note, nah, no thank you. The
23:56
Speaker 1: jurors are scheduled to resume deliberations Monday. So far, they've
23:59
Speaker 1: sent just a handful of juror notes with questions. So
24:04
Speaker 1: the judge was like, hey, so you guys want to
24:06
Speaker 1: come in on Monday, you know, do some deliberation maybe?
24:09
Speaker 1: The jury's like, nah, I think we're going to pass.
24:12
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when your boss comes in to you, right?
24:15
Speaker 1: It's a holiday weekend, and your boss is like, Hey, Bobby, look, bro.
24:19
Speaker 1: I'm going to need you to put in a few
24:20
Speaker 1: extra hours here on this holiday. What do you think? Yeah,
24:23
Speaker 1: the answer is no, my friend. And basically what the
24:27
Speaker 1: jurors said to the court right there. The jurors are
24:32
Speaker 1: scheduled to resume deliberations Monday. So far, they've sent just
24:36
Speaker 1: a handful of juror notes with questions. Three legal experts
24:40
Speaker 1: Insider interviewed cautioned that the information we have thus far
24:44
Speaker 1: is too limited to draw strong conclusions about what jurors
24:47
Speaker 1: may be thinking, except that they're taking the testimony from
24:51
Speaker 1: accusers seriously. And that's important, right? I think that's a
24:55
Speaker 1: huge tell. They should be taking that testimony seriously. It's
24:59
Speaker 1: the most important part of the whole entire witness package here.
25:03
Speaker 1: So if they're not taking it seriously, Houston, we have
25:06
Speaker 1: a problem. But Lisa Bloom, an attorney representing eight Epstein accusers,
25:14
Speaker 1: said it may be a bad sign for prosecution that
25:16
Speaker 1: the jurors still haven't come to a unanimous conclusion. Yeah, sorry,
25:20
Speaker 1: I don't really have any good things to say about
25:23
Speaker 1: Lisa Bloom. Not really a fan of her or her mother,
25:28
Speaker 1: Gloria Allred. I'm not a fan. And the things that
25:31
Speaker 1: they talk about when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case, bleh.
25:37
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that they're absolutely clueless, but
25:40
Speaker 1: they're absolutely clueless. There may be at least one juror
25:45
Speaker 1: who has reasonable doubt and over the weekend that could grow,
25:48
Speaker 1: Bloom told Insider. I've watched hundreds of juries in high-profile
25:52
Speaker 1: cases and many in my own cases. And when they
25:56
Speaker 1: decide to break and take a long holiday weekend and
25:58
Speaker 1: come back, I think that's generally a good sign for
26:01
Speaker 1: the defense. Or flip it around. Maybe that juror is
26:04
Speaker 1: going to go home, take a look around at their
26:07
Speaker 1: family members, their little 13-year-old nieces and nephews, and come
26:10
Speaker 1: to a completely different conclusion. The request for Carolyn's FBI
26:17
Speaker 1: interview could be good news for Maxwell. In their time deliberating,
26:21
Speaker 1: the jurors have sent a handful of notes, two of
26:25
Speaker 1: which have stood out. They requested an FBI interview of Carolyn,
26:29
Speaker 1: one of Maxwell's accusers, who testified using only her first name.
26:33
Speaker 1: And they asked whether the testimony of Annie Farmer, the
26:36
Speaker 1: last accuser in the trial, could count towards two of
26:39
Speaker 1: the conspiracy counts against Maxwell. That goes against the defense.
26:44
Speaker 1: Because they're asking if the part of Annie's story, the
26:49
Speaker 1: transportation part, can be used to convict Maxwell. And the
26:52
Speaker 1: judge said yes. So remember, that's a big deal. Because
26:57
Speaker 1: the wrench was Annie being over the age of consent
27:02
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. I think that probably did make the
27:08
Speaker 1: defense feel pretty good because that's really where they focused
27:12
Speaker 1: on challenging the victim's testimony, Huntley Taylor told Insider, and
27:16
Speaker 1: Carolyn in particular because she didn't mention Maxwell to the FBI.
27:21
Speaker 1: Carolyn has spoken to the FBI a number of times
27:24
Speaker 1: following what she said was years of sexual abuse at
27:27
Speaker 1: the hands of Epstein. In her trial testimony, she said
27:30
Speaker 1: Maxwell sometimes scheduled sexualized massages with Epstein at his Palm Beach,
27:35
Speaker 1: Florida home. And we know that that's what so many
27:39
Speaker 1: different girls have said. I mean, we're not even talking
27:44
Speaker 1: about the ones that have given the testimony here. What
27:47
Speaker 1: about all of the unnamed girls that we're never going
27:50
Speaker 1: to hear from? Are their voices not important? Do their
27:53
Speaker 1: stories not matter? Do the fact that they were victimized
27:57
Speaker 1: and abused by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell not matter?
28:00
Speaker 1: Because maybe they're from Eastern Europe or something? All of
28:05
Speaker 1: it is just... An absolute abomination. According to notes from
28:12
Speaker 1: a 2007 FBI interview, Carolyn didn't name Maxwell as one
28:16
Speaker 1: of the people who scheduled massage, but just a woman
28:19
Speaker 1: with an accent. Maxwell's defense attorneys have highlighted what they
28:23
Speaker 1: viewed as discrepancies in Carolyn's stories as a way to
28:27
Speaker 1: discredit her testimony. Bloom said jury notes means that jurors
28:31
Speaker 1: are taking Maxwell's lawyer's arguments seriously. It means the jury
28:35
Speaker 1: is very carefully reviewing the evidence, and at least one
28:39
Speaker 1: of them thinks that the cross-examination and those FBI statements
28:43
Speaker 1: were significant enough to request them, Bloom told Insider. Because
28:47
Speaker 1: the FBI interviews aren't recorded or transcribed, they can't be
28:52
Speaker 1: entered into evidence in a trial. The agents who sit
28:55
Speaker 1: in on those interviews just have notes called a 302 document,
28:59
Speaker 1: but not a deposition transcript that jurors asked for. Yeah,
29:03
Speaker 1: and the 302 is what they do whenever they're questioning you, right?
29:07
Speaker 1: Whenever you get questioned by the FBI, they hit you
29:09
Speaker 1: with that 302. And that ends up being their report.
29:13
Speaker 1: And they'll use that report to try and catch you
29:16
Speaker 1: up in a perjury or whatever it might be. But
29:19
Speaker 1: those reports are not admissible. Nathan declined to give the
29:32
Speaker 1: FBI notes and instead directed them to the evidence and
29:35
Speaker 1: trial transcripts they already had, something Bloom said that Jerry
29:39
Speaker 1: may find frustrating. Jerry's definitely don't like when things are
29:42
Speaker 1: kept from them, Bloom said. I don't know who they're
29:44
Speaker 1: going to hold this against. Would they hold it against
29:47
Speaker 1: the prosecution? Or would they hold it against the defense
29:50
Speaker 1: that it didn't come into evidence? Of course, it's not
29:53
Speaker 1: the fault of either. It's just the rules of evidence. Oh, thanks,
29:56
Speaker 1: Lisa Bloom. I mean, you couldn't find anyone else to
29:59
Speaker 1: talk to. You had to go and find Lisa Bloom
30:01
Speaker 1: of all people. Good Lord. Moira Penza, a former federal
30:05
Speaker 1: prosecutor who led the case against NXIVM cult leader Keith Ranieri,
30:09
Speaker 1: pointed out that the process of impeaching or discrediting a
30:13
Speaker 1: witness was harder than it looked. Even if Carolyn relayed
30:17
Speaker 1: different details about her story over time, that doesn't mean
30:20
Speaker 1: her story was necessarily inconsistent. She may have simply emphasized
30:25
Speaker 1: elements about Epstein earlier in time because the FBI investigation
30:29
Speaker 1: and lawsuit she filed were centered on Epstein. you'll see
30:33
Speaker 1: that even very experienced trial lawyers trying to say this
30:37
Speaker 1: person changed their story is actually much harder than you
30:41
Speaker 1: would think, Penza said, because often it isn't really very
30:45
Speaker 1: clear cut. The fact that the jurors asked for only
30:50
Speaker 1: the FBI 302 of Carolyn also bodes well for the
30:53
Speaker 1: rest of the case, Penza said. After all, Maxwell's attorneys
30:57
Speaker 1: grilled the other three accusers, Farmer, as well as Jane
31:01
Speaker 1: and Kate, who testified under pseudonyms about their FBI interviews.
31:05
Speaker 1: And jurors didn't ask for notes about theirs. I don't
31:08
Speaker 1: think that we are seeing evidence so far through the
31:12
Speaker 1: note process that the jury is burying this defense, Penza said.
31:20
Speaker 1: That there was a whole conspiracy for all of those
31:23
Speaker 1: victims to manipulate their story to implicate Ghislaine Maxwell. Right,
31:27
Speaker 1: and that's basically what the defense wants to say. That
31:30
Speaker 1: all of the stories were manipulated. That the survivors were
31:35
Speaker 1: all lying. They're misremembering. Hell, maybe they even all got
31:39
Speaker 1: together to concoct this through their lawyers. You know, that's
31:42
Speaker 1: the kind of defense that we're seeing from Maxwell here.
31:47
Speaker 1: The jury question about Annie Farmer seems clear-cut win for
31:52
Speaker 1: the prosecutors. Later on Monday, jurors asked Nathan whether they
31:56
Speaker 1: can consider Farmer's testimony as conspiracy to crime in counts
32:01
Speaker 1: one and three, which would allow them to find Maxwell
32:04
Speaker 1: guilty of two of the conspiracy counts against her. So
32:07
Speaker 1: that's important, right? And it definitely leads into, hopefully, a
32:12
Speaker 1: conviction here. Maxwell's lawyers appeared furious. Her attorney, Christian Everdell,
32:19
Speaker 1: asked Nathan to give a qualified answer about the limited
32:23
Speaker 1: nature of Farmer's testimony. Nathan ultimately sided with Assistant U.S.
32:27
Speaker 1: Attorney Maureen Comey, giving a simple yes as an answer.
32:31
Speaker 1: Bloom said Nathan's clear-as-a-bell answer was a victory for prosecutors.
32:36
Speaker 1: Anytime you can get the judge, who's the authority in
32:38
Speaker 1: the courtroom, to give a definitive yes to a question,
32:42
Speaker 1: that's a definite win for the prosecution, she said. I
32:46
Speaker 1: could see that for sure, right? Look, at the end
32:48
Speaker 1: of the day, it's about getting all of these little
32:52
Speaker 1: W's and adding them up to a gigantic win that
32:55
Speaker 1: turns into an indictment. Penza said the question may reveal
33:04
Speaker 1: another element of how jurors were thinking. That they were
33:08
Speaker 1: closely focused on Maxwell's role in Epstein's sexual abuse operation. Absolutely.
33:14
Speaker 1: They want to set it up as, oh, this is
33:16
Speaker 1: about Jeffrey Epstein. This is to go after Jeffrey Epstein
33:19
Speaker 1: because he wasn't punished the first time around. Well, guess what?
33:24
Speaker 1: Think what you want. But the fact of the matter
33:27
Speaker 1: is this. Maxwell was there every step of the way.
33:30
Speaker 1: had her hands on the reins every step of the way.
33:34
Speaker 1: She's only getting what she deserves at this point. It
33:43
Speaker 1: is highly, excuse me, aside from the specific requests about
33:46
Speaker 1: Carolyn and Annie, the jurors also asked for copies of
33:49
Speaker 1: transcripts for testimony from all four accusers and the trial.
33:53
Speaker 1: They also asked for transcripts of testimony from Juan Alessi,
33:57
Speaker 1: Epstein's former Palm Beach butler for 20 years, who was
34:00
Speaker 1: one of the prosecution's star witnesses. If jurors taking all
34:04
Speaker 1: the accusers seriously, it may be harder for them to
34:08
Speaker 1: disentangle Maxwell from Epstein, according to Penza. At the end
34:12
Speaker 1: of the day, it's going to be difficult for the
34:14
Speaker 1: jurors to believe that all of these women were lying
34:17
Speaker 1: about Ghislaine Maxwell's role, Penza said. And that's what it
34:20
Speaker 1: comes down to, right? The, the... absolute sheer volume of
34:26
Speaker 1: accusations against Ghislaine Maxwell is going to weigh heavy with
34:31
Speaker 1: the jury. You have to think anyway. All of these
34:34
Speaker 1: people with these same stories coming out and telling them,
34:36
Speaker 1: it is not good for you. Maxwell's defense attorneys have
34:44
Speaker 1: argued that Epstein compartmentalized his life and that Maxwell didn't
34:47
Speaker 1: know about his sexual proclivities. But Farmer's story is decidedly
34:52
Speaker 1: less complicated than that of the other accusers in this case.
34:56
Speaker 1: She testified in the trial that she spent a weekend
34:59
Speaker 1: at Epstein's New Mexico ranch when she was 16 years old,
35:03
Speaker 1: during which Maxwell gave her a sexualized massage and seemed
35:07
Speaker 1: to groom her for sex with Epstein. Farmer's more limited
35:10
Speaker 1: experience with Epstein and Maxwell, one weekend rather than years
35:14
Speaker 1: of abuse that the three other accusers testified about at
35:17
Speaker 1: the trial, give jurors a different way to examine Maxwell's
35:20
Speaker 1: role in Epstein's life. And I've been convinced of this
35:24
Speaker 1: since the beginning, meaning that Annie's testimony would be the
35:27
Speaker 1: one that sinks them. They made a very crucial error
35:31
Speaker 1: targeting Annie Farmer, folks. And it's really coming back to
35:34
Speaker 1: bite them in the ass now, because she was unshakable
35:37
Speaker 1: on the witness stand. You couldn't impugn her honor or
35:42
Speaker 1: her integrity. And it gives you a glimpse at what
35:47
Speaker 1: some of these other girls could have had in their
35:49
Speaker 1: future if they weren't abused by Maxwell and Epstein. It
35:57
Speaker 1: looks like the jury is concentrating on what evidence is
36:00
Speaker 1: there that Maxwell knew what was happening when she wasn't
36:02
Speaker 1: in the room, Penza said, when she was grooming these
36:05
Speaker 1: girls and recruiting them. With their question, Penza said, jurors
36:10
Speaker 1: appeared to be zeroing in on exactly what Maxwell knew
36:13
Speaker 1: about Epstein preying on teen girls. It's not that the
36:16
Speaker 1: prosecution has to prove that she saw what happened with
36:20
Speaker 1: her own eyes, she said. Even if she was just
36:22
Speaker 1: burying her head in the sand, it's the law. If
36:25
Speaker 1: you bury your head in the sand, then you are
36:27
Speaker 1: just as criminally culpable. And that's the facts. You can't,
36:32
Speaker 1: you know, say, oh, well, I didn't know. I had
36:34
Speaker 1: no idea and think you're going to get off. Go
36:37
Speaker 1: try that after you get a speeding ticket or something
36:39
Speaker 1: with the cops. Just doesn't work out well for you.
36:43
Speaker 1: And I don't think that defense would work out well
36:46
Speaker 1: here either. Now, I certainly don't have a crystal ball, right?
36:51
Speaker 1: And I certainly am biased hoping that she gets convicted.
36:54
Speaker 1: But I would think that on the back of this testimony, especially,
37:00
Speaker 1: especially with Annie's testimony bringing up the rear the way
37:04
Speaker 1: it did, that an indictment is inevitable. And you would hope,
37:12
Speaker 1: especially for the survivors, that that's what happens here. Because, boy,
37:18
Speaker 1: let me tell you, Maxwell walking, quite possibly, is one
37:22
Speaker 1: of the biggest travesties in the history of the world. So,
37:27
Speaker 1: let's hope that that does not occur. All right, folks. Well,
37:30
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for the second day of
37:34
Speaker 1: Christmas recess here. And we're only going to have the
37:37
Speaker 1: one episode today as far as, you know, daily updates.
37:41
Speaker 1: And obviously I'll have more context episodes for you. I
37:45
Speaker 1: posted the first one, the Kalief Browder episode. I have
37:48
Speaker 1: two more that go along with that series. We're going
37:51
Speaker 1: to finish off the Women Who Enabled Epstein series. And
37:55
Speaker 1: then I have a couple of other things that I'm
37:56
Speaker 1: going to post as well. As far as context goes.
37:59
Speaker 1: To get us prepared for the upcoming week. Now tomorrow.
38:05
Speaker 1: I haven't really decided yet. What I'm going to do.
38:07
Speaker 1: If I'm going to pop on at all. Or maybe
38:09
Speaker 1: take the day off. I'm leaning towards taking the morning off.
38:13
Speaker 1: And just doing context episodes. But we'll see what happens.
38:16
Speaker 1: We'll see how I feel. And if I get up
38:18
Speaker 1: early enough. Maybe I'll hop on. And we'll go through
38:21
Speaker 1: a new article as well. I guess we'll just have
38:24
Speaker 1: to play it by ear. Either way. There'll be context
38:27
Speaker 1: episodes for you. And yeah, all that other good stuff.
38:32
Speaker 1: All right, everybody. So I hope all of you have
38:34
Speaker 1: an amazing day. And hopefully you're all relaxing and all
38:37
Speaker 1: of that jazz like we talked about in the opening.
38:41
Speaker 1: And it is my greatest wish that this next year
38:46
Speaker 1: coming up for all of us is just the greatest
38:49
Speaker 1: one ever, folks. So with that said, I hope everybody
38:53
Speaker 1: enjoys their day, enjoys their family, and I will be
38:56
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39:09
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39:16
Speaker 1: The link that we discussed can be found in the
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Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the
39:22
Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. This morning, we're going to talk a little
39:26
Speaker 1: bit more about Scotty David, juror number 50. and the
39:30
Speaker 1: situation that we find ourselves in. Now we have a
39:34
Speaker 1: report coming out from the Daily News and in that
39:38
Speaker 1: report they're saying that Scotty David's lawyer has asked the
39:43
Speaker 1: court to see his own answers to the sexual assault question. Now,
39:48
Speaker 1: that doesn't inspire very much confidence in me that, oh boy,
39:52
Speaker 1: it was being truthful and being honest. And, in fact,
39:57
Speaker 1: I'd file it under absurd, to be honest with you.
40:00
Speaker 1: How don't you know if you answered that question or not?
40:05
Speaker 1: You're there for a sexual assault case. It would make
40:09
Speaker 1: sense that a question like that on the questionnaire would
40:13
Speaker 1: be a bit more memorable than some of the others, no?
40:18
Speaker 1: So with this new information coming out from the Daily News,
40:22
Speaker 1: it just adds to the pile, right? And again, I'm
40:26
Speaker 1: not going to leap off any bridges one way or
40:28
Speaker 1: the other because frankly, none of us know what's going
40:30
Speaker 1: to happen here. All we can do is speculate a
40:33
Speaker 1: little bit and take a look at the information as
40:36
Speaker 1: it comes in, process that information, and try and get
40:41
Speaker 1: a more clear picture of what in the hell is
40:44
Speaker 1: going on here. And especially when it comes to something
40:48
Speaker 1: like this, where there's a lot of innuendo and there
40:52
Speaker 1: is a bit of, you know, smoke, shall we say.
40:56
Speaker 1: You know, that usually means that there's some fire, by
40:59
Speaker 1: the way. And him asking for his own questions, again,
41:04
Speaker 1: it's really not inspiring when it comes to having confidence
41:10
Speaker 1: in him not having lied on the questionnaire portion. Now again,
41:16
Speaker 1: I don't know if he lied or not. I wasn't there.
41:20
Speaker 1: I didn't see the questionnaire. I didn't hear the conversations.
41:25
Speaker 1: But when you start adding up all the little things
41:27
Speaker 1: that you see, it certainly looks like this dude might
41:31
Speaker 1: not have been truthful. So let's take a look at
41:34
Speaker 1: this article from the Daily Mail and let's see what
41:38
Speaker 1: authors Adam Mono, Laura Collins, and Lawrence Dollimore have to say.
41:46
Speaker 1: The juror in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial who revealed he
41:49
Speaker 1: couldn't remember how he answered a pre-trial question about his
41:53
Speaker 1: own sexual abuse history, casting doubt on the validity of
41:56
Speaker 1: Maxwell's conviction, has asked the judge to see his answers.
42:01
Speaker 1: I mean, again, it's beyond me. Hey, you know, you
42:05
Speaker 1: think I could check that questionnaire so I could see
42:07
Speaker 1: what I said? I would think that it would be
42:10
Speaker 1: important to make sure that you're answering a question with
42:15
Speaker 1: such substance in a truthful manner. In fact, I think
42:20
Speaker 1: that answering all questions, when it comes to something like
42:23
Speaker 1: this especially, is a pretty important thing to do. So
42:27
Speaker 1: why would you need to see the questionnaire, buddy? Scotty
42:32
Speaker 1: David has retained lawyer Scott Spodek, who asked the court
42:36
Speaker 1: to provide the questionnaire according to the Daily News. He
42:39
Speaker 1: could face perjury charges if he's found to have, excuse me,
42:43
Speaker 1: if he's found to have intentionally lied. So that's definitely
42:48
Speaker 1: on the table, but I think that's going to be
42:50
Speaker 1: pretty hard to prove. And the more I look at
42:53
Speaker 1: this and the more I, you know, take a look
42:57
Speaker 1: at some of the case precedent that has been brought
42:59
Speaker 1: up by some of the experts, it's not going to
43:02
Speaker 1: be as easy as you might think to get this
43:05
Speaker 1: overturned or to get a mistrial. The court really doesn't
43:08
Speaker 1: like going against a ruling that they've made, and there
43:11
Speaker 1: has to be extreme prejudice for them to do so
43:15
Speaker 1: in most circumstances. So while it really looks bad from
43:20
Speaker 1: the outside, and the optics definitely aren't good when it
43:24
Speaker 1: comes to this Scotty David guy, I don't think it
43:27
Speaker 1: automatically is going to signal that we're on the tracks
43:31
Speaker 1: of a mistrial train here. Now, again, it's very possible
43:35
Speaker 1: that we could be, but I don't think that it's
43:40
Speaker 1: the only likelihood or the most likely thing to occur.
43:45
Speaker 1: I just think it's one of many things that could occur.
43:47
Speaker 1: When it comes to these courts and it comes to
43:50
Speaker 1: these judges, even if you're basing your opinions on precedent,
43:54
Speaker 1: we all know that these judges conduct themselves like they're
43:58
Speaker 1: the rulers of these courtrooms. and one judge might have
44:02
Speaker 1: a different ruling from another. So I certainly, as a
44:07
Speaker 1: betting man, I wouldn't be putting any wagers in one
44:09
Speaker 1: way or the other, that's for sure. David 35 has
44:15
Speaker 1: claimed that he used his experience being sexually assaulted to
44:18
Speaker 1: influence other jurors, saying, when I shared that, they were
44:22
Speaker 1: able to come around on the memory aspect of the
44:24
Speaker 1: sexual abuse. And again, we've touched on that. I don't
44:28
Speaker 1: really think that you can take that for, you know,
44:33
Speaker 1: a huge impactful statement. I think you have to take
44:36
Speaker 1: that with a grain of salt. Of course, you always
44:38
Speaker 1: want to think that you're the person who was the
44:41
Speaker 1: hinge vote, right? The man who everything was relying on.
44:46
Speaker 1: And then when you cast your vote, that was what
44:48
Speaker 1: made the whole thing go. Or your opinion made some
44:51
Speaker 1: of the other jurors, you know, reevaluate their decisions. Everybody
44:56
Speaker 1: wants to be the hero in their own story. How
44:59
Speaker 1: many times have you heard me say that by now?
45:03
Speaker 1: But video published by DailyMail.com last week revealed that David
45:07
Speaker 1: couldn't remember if the pre-trial questionnaire asked about sexual abuse history,
45:12
Speaker 1: which it did. And again, when that all was coming
45:15
Speaker 1: out and we were talking about that when it originally happened,
45:19
Speaker 1: I was pretty suspect that you wouldn't remember that on
45:22
Speaker 1: the questionnaire, especially considering that, according to Scotty, he's been
45:27
Speaker 1: through his own situation with sexual assault and sexual abuse.
45:33
Speaker 1: I would think that that would be one of the
45:35
Speaker 1: questions that jump out at you. Now, I've never been
45:40
Speaker 1: in that situation. I've never been in a situation where
45:43
Speaker 1: I've had a question like that be presented to me
45:47
Speaker 1: and it stirs up all kinds of bad memories or
45:50
Speaker 1: anything like that. So I can't begin to try and
45:53
Speaker 1: diagnose the psyche behind it. But it's not a good look.
45:58
Speaker 1: You would think that you would remember. Same way I
46:01
Speaker 1: say that I think people would remember seeing Prince Andrew
46:05
Speaker 1: at the pizza joint. If you're reading this questionnaire and
46:11
Speaker 1: the trial's about sexual abuse, you would think that would
46:13
Speaker 1: be a question that stands out. Now, that's just my
46:19
Speaker 1: from-the-peanut-gallery assessment, but it seems the logical path. Maxwell's lawyers
46:27
Speaker 1: have since demanded a new trial and told the Mail
46:30
Speaker 1: on Sunday that they believe they found a third juror
46:33
Speaker 1: who lied about being abused after a second unidentified juror
46:38
Speaker 1: told the New York Times that they, too, had been
46:41
Speaker 1: abused as a child. I think what this signifies, if anything,
46:45
Speaker 1: is that way too many of our peers, our colleagues,
46:48
Speaker 1: our friends, hell, our relatives have been abused. I think
46:53
Speaker 1: that's what we should be taking away from this, that, oh,
46:56
Speaker 1: there's three people who were abused on the jury. You
46:59
Speaker 1: can't put together a jury of 12 where people haven't
47:02
Speaker 1: been abused. That tells you everything you need to know
47:06
Speaker 1: about how pervasive this situation is. And a lot of
47:09
Speaker 1: the time. these sorts of things are done by people
47:13
Speaker 1: that are close to you or to the victims. And it's,
47:17
Speaker 1: you know, not always, and in fact, very rarely, is
47:21
Speaker 1: it a huge operation like we saw with Epstein and Maxwell. Maxwell, 60,
47:29
Speaker 1: was convicted of facilitating the sexual abuse of minors by
47:33
Speaker 1: her former partner, co-conspirator, general all-around scuzzbag, you know, fellow
47:37
Speaker 1: child abuser, Jeffrey Epstein, on December 29th. She faces 65
47:42
Speaker 1: years in prison, meaning she could spend the rest of
47:45
Speaker 1: her life behind bars. And, like I always say, that's
47:50
Speaker 1: what she deserves, in my opinion. If you're going to
47:52
Speaker 1: F around and commit these kinds of crimes, if you're
47:55
Speaker 1: going to commit crimes against children, teenage girls, vulnerable people,
48:01
Speaker 1: poor people, people who can't defend themselves, then yeah, I'm
48:05
Speaker 1: not going to have empathy for you. It's not like
48:08
Speaker 1: you got into a fist fight with someone at the
48:10
Speaker 1: bar over an argument. You gave the dude a shot
48:13
Speaker 1: to the mouth. He fell over, broke his head. Now
48:16
Speaker 1: you're in jail. I'm going to have empathy for that.
48:19
Speaker 1: You made a bad decision. Shit happens. We've all been
48:22
Speaker 1: mad before. But nobody can relate to this. Nobody sat
48:27
Speaker 1: around before and wanted to be a human trafficker. No
48:30
Speaker 1: decent human being anyway. So she doesn't have a relatable
48:34
Speaker 1: crime in the least. And it's not even like it's
48:36
Speaker 1: a blue collar crime where you could sit back and say,
48:39
Speaker 1: all right, well, just a thief. Nope. So she should
48:43
Speaker 1: do every last day of those 65. And if it
48:47
Speaker 1: was me, I tack on a zero, make it 650.
48:52
Speaker 1: The 48th question on the pretrial survey for jurors asked,
48:56
Speaker 1: have you or a friend or a family member ever
48:59
Speaker 1: been the victim of sexual harassment, sexual abuse or sexual assault?
49:04
Speaker 1: This includes actual or attempted sexual assault or other unwanted
49:09
Speaker 1: sexual advance, including by a stranger, acquaintance, supervisor, teacher, or
49:14
Speaker 1: family member. David told Reuters that he flew through the
49:18
Speaker 1: survey and... again, if there's anyone to blame, it's certainly
49:25
Speaker 1: Scotty David here if he's the one who lied. I
49:28
Speaker 1: know people want to blast the media, and believe me,
49:32
Speaker 1: if anyone is more critical of the legacy media, I'd
49:35
Speaker 1: like to see them. But I think in this instance...
49:38
Speaker 1: you know, this dude was going to tell his story
49:40
Speaker 1: no matter what. If it wasn't with the legacy media,
49:43
Speaker 1: he'd be on his own social media crowing about it.
49:46
Speaker 1: He's just that kind of guy. So I think that
49:50
Speaker 1: this dude, if you want to find, you know, someone
49:54
Speaker 1: to be aggravated with, I would think that the person
49:58
Speaker 1: that who caused the whole entire maelstrom would be the
50:01
Speaker 1: proper person to be agitated with. And that would be
50:04
Speaker 1: Scotty David. But again, That all hinges on if he
50:09
Speaker 1: was not honest, right? Because, like I've said a million
50:13
Speaker 1: times now, if he was honest, then it's on the
50:15
Speaker 1: defense to catch that and to do the right thing.
50:22
Speaker 1: David's revelations have exasperated those closely following Maxwell's trial, as
50:27
Speaker 1: many feel that Epstein himself escaped justice when he killed himself, allegedly,
50:32
Speaker 1: in his New York City jail cell while awaiting trial
50:35
Speaker 1: in 2019. Yeah, I think I could speak for the
50:39
Speaker 1: vast majority of us who have been following this closely.
50:43
Speaker 1: Epstein certainly did find himself in a much more solid
50:51
Speaker 1: situation for himself by killing himself. Because he was definitely
50:54
Speaker 1: going to get convicted. The only question was for how
50:57
Speaker 1: many years, how many life sentences, and how many people
51:01
Speaker 1: he was going to take down with him. Because if
51:03
Speaker 1: you think that Jeffrey Epstein was the kind of guy...
51:06
Speaker 1: That was going to go down by himself. You are
51:08
Speaker 1: sadly mistaken. Certainly not the way this dude conducted himself.
51:13
Speaker 1: It was always about insulating himself. And not being the
51:17
Speaker 1: man that's going to take the fall. And if he
51:21
Speaker 1: would have lived like he should have. Then I can't
51:25
Speaker 1: even imagine how many people would have went down folks.
51:29
Speaker 1: I cannot even imagine. Because that trial... wasn't just going
51:32
Speaker 1: to be the way the Maxwell trial was, so small
51:37
Speaker 1: in scope. They were going to be forced to sweep
51:40
Speaker 1: up a whole big group of people. Then, coincidentally, like
51:46
Speaker 1: everything else in this case, he happens to die in custody.
51:52
Speaker 1: A history of sexual abuse would not preclude a person
51:55
Speaker 1: from being in the jury, but it would almost inevitably
51:58
Speaker 1: be a matter for further discussion and questioning by the
52:01
Speaker 1: judge and attorneys. In fact, both the prosecution and defense
52:06
Speaker 1: filed a request that the court pursue more detailed questioning
52:10
Speaker 1: if a particular juror's answers reveal that further inquiry is appropriate.
52:15
Speaker 1: So again, we don't know what was said in this
52:18
Speaker 1: sealed portion. And that's another reason why I am so
52:23
Speaker 1: crazy about transparency. This is not a national security issue.
52:27
Speaker 1: We should be able to see everything there is to
52:29
Speaker 1: see about this. And if you're somebody who is caught
52:33
Speaker 1: up as far as being one of Epstein's enablers or associates,
52:36
Speaker 1: or you're a friend with Galane Maxwell and you've been
52:41
Speaker 1: outed by Virginia Roberts, I don't care if you're embarrassed
52:44
Speaker 1: publicly or if your reputation is tarnished. I would expect
52:49
Speaker 1: that if the legacy media is not going to do it.
52:52
Speaker 1: and there's not going to be any criminal penalties, then
52:55
Speaker 1: it's up to the citizens to let these people know
52:58
Speaker 1: that there's no place for them in civilized society. I
53:02
Speaker 1: know everybody's out there trying to cancel everybody else, but
53:05
Speaker 1: if anybody's ever deserved to be canceled, it's Jeffrey Epstein
53:09
Speaker 1: and anybody, anybody who enabled him. Judge Allison Nathan hasn't
53:17
Speaker 1: decided whether David's answers to the question warrant a court inquiry,
53:21
Speaker 1: the Daily News reports. Legal experts say the question likely
53:25
Speaker 1: comes down to whether or not David purposely omitted his
53:29
Speaker 1: history of assault. And I don't think you need to
53:31
Speaker 1: be a legal expert to come to that conclusion. I'm
53:33
Speaker 1: certainly not a legal expert. In fact, I'm not an
53:36
Speaker 1: expert in anything, to tell you the truth. But it's
53:40
Speaker 1: not hard to come to that destination. If he lied,
53:44
Speaker 1: then it puts a whole different spin on it. But again,
53:47
Speaker 1: even if he did lie, who the hell knows what
53:49
Speaker 1: the court's going to decide. In an interview, David said
53:54
Speaker 1: he answered all questions honestly, and so would have said yes. Yet,
53:58
Speaker 1: when asked if he ticked the box marked yes in
54:00
Speaker 1: response to the prospective juror questionnaire question addressing sexual abuse,
54:05
Speaker 1: David's immediate answer was, no, they don't ask you your
54:09
Speaker 1: sexual history. They didn't ask that in a questionnaire. And
54:12
Speaker 1: I mean, really, bro? Here's an idea. Just shut up
54:17
Speaker 1: and do the right thing. Follow all the rules, answer
54:21
Speaker 1: all the questions, be forthcoming, and let the train of
54:25
Speaker 1: justice continue down the tracks. This guy went from trying
54:30
Speaker 1: to be, you know, the hero in his own story
54:33
Speaker 1: to turning himself into Ramsay Bolton. When pressed and informed
54:45
Speaker 1: that it was indeed a question on the questionnaire, David commented, Interesting.
54:50
Speaker 1: Apparently searching his memory and coming up empty. Yeah, again,
54:54
Speaker 1: it does not instill a lot of confidence in me
54:56
Speaker 1: that this dude was honest. And I have to shoot
54:59
Speaker 1: you folks straight, right? One thing that I've done since
55:02
Speaker 1: we've started this podcast three years ago, the Jeffrey Epstein
55:06
Speaker 1: show and then over into this one, I shot you
55:10
Speaker 1: guys straight with my honest opinion. And that's exactly how
55:13
Speaker 1: I feel with this as well with this Scotty David guy.
55:18
Speaker 1: I feel like it's starting to really look like he
55:21
Speaker 1: wasn't very truthful on the questionnaire portion. David filled in
55:28
Speaker 1: the juror questionnaire on the first day of jury selection
55:30
Speaker 1: in November, and despite his initial statement that he had
55:34
Speaker 1: not ticked the yes box, he went on to tell DailyMail.com,
55:38
Speaker 1: I would have marked yes, but I honestly don't remember
55:41
Speaker 1: that question. Reddening and becoming flustered, he said, I can
55:45
Speaker 1: feel the blood in my face, but I honestly, that's
55:48
Speaker 1: why I answered that way. So he doesn't even have
55:52
Speaker 1: confidence in himself. How could that instill confidence in any
55:55
Speaker 1: of us? David is now asking the court for his
55:58
Speaker 1: own answers to review them. Again, not building confidence here,
56:02
Speaker 1: Scotty David. David previously told DailyMail.com that the matter of
56:07
Speaker 1: jurors' sexual assault history wasn't brought up in the second
56:10
Speaker 1: stage of the jury selection process, which comes after the questionnaire. No,
56:16
Speaker 1: it was never raised. They never, so the questionnaire was
56:20
Speaker 1: day one, and then day two, if jury selection, we
56:24
Speaker 1: went in front of the judge, and there were all
56:27
Speaker 1: the lawyers in the room, and that's where they asked
56:30
Speaker 1: me some questions. They asked me what do I do,
56:33
Speaker 1: what I like to do for fun, if I can
56:35
Speaker 1: be fair and impartial, and it was literally like 30
56:38
Speaker 1: seconds long, and then I was out of the room. So,
56:42
Speaker 1: to his benefit, it doesn't, or to his defense, I guess...
56:45
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like the questioning portion was very long here,
56:49
Speaker 1: but that might be common. Again, I'm not familiar with
56:52
Speaker 1: how this happens. The only time I've ever been called
56:55
Speaker 1: up for jury duty, like I told you folks earlier,
56:57
Speaker 1: I was let go right away. There was no moving
56:59
Speaker 1: on to the second round. There was nobody showing up saying,
57:03
Speaker 1: you're going to Hollywood. I was out the first round
57:06
Speaker 1: with all of the other derelicts. Maxwell was convicted last
57:12
Speaker 1: month when the six men and six women jury found
57:15
Speaker 1: her guilty of sex trafficking of a minor, transporting a
57:18
Speaker 1: minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity,
57:21
Speaker 1: and three counts of conspiracy. She was found not guilty
57:25
Speaker 1: of enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal
57:27
Speaker 1: sex acts. The U.S. government is now offering to drop
57:31
Speaker 1: two perjury charges linked to claims Maxwell made in a
57:35
Speaker 1: 2016 deposition in a separate civil lawsuit should the sex
57:39
Speaker 1: crimes conviction stand. And, you know, it's pick your poison
57:43
Speaker 1: for Maxwell here. Not a commendable situation. Not a position
57:48
Speaker 1: I'd ever want to be in, that's for sure. No
57:51
Speaker 1: matter what she does, she's in big trouble. We all
57:53
Speaker 1: know she lied in that deposition. And we all know
57:57
Speaker 1: she committed these crimes. And once again, if it wasn't
58:00
Speaker 1: for a loophole or a mother effing technicality, we wouldn't
58:04
Speaker 1: even be having this conversation. We'd be talking about what
58:07
Speaker 1: penitentiary she's going to. Each perjury charge carries a maximum
58:13
Speaker 1: five-year prison term. The charges allege the convicted sex trafficker
58:17
Speaker 1: lied under oath by hiding her participation in Epstein's offenses
58:21
Speaker 1: during a separate civil case brought against her by the
58:24
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew accuser, Virginia Roberts. And again, that's crucial, right?
58:29
Speaker 1: Because if the prosecutors believe her enough to use that
58:33
Speaker 1: deposition and the lies Maxwell is being charged with telling
58:37
Speaker 1: in that deposition, then they obviously believe what Virginia has
58:40
Speaker 1: to say. So that doesn't bode well for old Uncle Touchy,
58:45
Speaker 1: the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family. So, perjury counts
59:00
Speaker 1: at the time of sentencing in light of the victim's
59:03
Speaker 1: significant interests in bringing closure to this matter and avoiding
59:07
Speaker 1: the trauma of testifying again so like we talked about,
59:11
Speaker 1: what they're saying there is, look, we don't need to
59:13
Speaker 1: go through this all again. Let's play ball here. We'll
59:17
Speaker 1: drop these perjury charges and you take your medicine like
59:20
Speaker 1: you should. Because look, even if there's a mistrial, do
59:23
Speaker 1: you really think she's going to get off? It's going
59:25
Speaker 1: to be the same old, same old. And they're probably
59:27
Speaker 1: going to come harder in the paint. The federal government
59:30
Speaker 1: hates mistrials and they really hate when they don't get
59:33
Speaker 1: a conviction. Meanwhile, Prince Andrew is under severe pressure to
59:42
Speaker 1: settle with Virginia Roberts after a New York judge refused
59:46
Speaker 1: to throw out her case, paving the way for a
59:48
Speaker 1: box office trial in nine months to examine claims she
59:52
Speaker 1: was repeatedly forced to have sex with him when she
59:55
Speaker 1: was a teenager. The decision is a devastating blow to
59:59
Speaker 1: the Duke of York, who now faces a hugely expensive
1:00:02
Speaker 1: and reputation-shredding court case next September unless he tries to
1:00:07
Speaker 1: pay off Roberts with at least $ 5 million. And look,
1:00:11
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it doesn't look like Virginia's willing to accept. Now,
1:00:14
Speaker 1: she might change her mind. That's going to be up
1:00:16
Speaker 1: to her and her lawyers. None of us have anything
1:00:19
Speaker 1: to say about that, right? We're not the ones who
1:00:21
Speaker 1: went through the abuse. So it's going to be up
1:00:23
Speaker 1: to her and her lawyers. But I really hope that
1:00:25
Speaker 1: she goes all the way with this clown. And she
1:00:28
Speaker 1: really takes him to the woodshed. If he chooses not
1:00:32
Speaker 1: to settle, or if Roberts rejects any offers, Andrew faces
1:00:35
Speaker 1: being interviewed by her lawyers in a videotaped deposition... In London,
1:00:40
Speaker 1: that could be played in court, although the ninth in
1:00:42
Speaker 1: line to the throne cannot be forced to give evidence
1:00:45
Speaker 1: due to it being a civil suit in a different
1:00:48
Speaker 1: legal jurisdiction. Additionally, he could simply ignore the case and
1:00:52
Speaker 1: let the court give a decision in his absence, although
1:00:55
Speaker 1: this would likely damage his reputation further. Yeah, go ahead
1:00:59
Speaker 1: and do it. Go ahead and not acknowledge the court's
1:01:02
Speaker 1: summons and see how quickly you're painted as a sex offender.
1:01:06
Speaker 1: Go ahead and do it, my friend. Andrew has been
1:01:11
Speaker 1: forced to sell off his $ 23. 3 million Swiss ski chalet
1:01:15
Speaker 1: he owns with his ex-wife Sarah, the Duchess of York,
1:01:18
Speaker 1: to cover his legal bills, or a settlement after his mother,
1:01:22
Speaker 1: the Queen, reportedly refused to pay. He was only able
1:01:25
Speaker 1: to sell the property after settling a $ 6. 6 million debt
1:01:30
Speaker 1: with the owner. And there's conflicting reports about the Queen
1:01:33
Speaker 1: and the paying. I'm leaning towards she's still paying, like
1:01:37
Speaker 1: I said earlier. I have no proof of that, but
1:01:40
Speaker 1: I would guess that she is still paying. So, folks,
1:01:45
Speaker 1: there you have it. Ghislaine Maxwell is, you know, gonna maneuver.
1:01:51
Speaker 1: She's gonna be the smarmy, slimy SOB that she is.
1:01:55
Speaker 1: She's going to look for any way to claw her
1:01:58
Speaker 1: way out of the mess she is in. And if
1:02:01
Speaker 1: Jer 50 Scotty David gave her a little bit of
1:02:04
Speaker 1: breathing room, you better believe she's gonna come up and
1:02:08
Speaker 1: suck some air down from the air pocket. But when
1:02:12
Speaker 1: it's all said and done and this whole entire thing
1:02:14
Speaker 1: is over and, you know, we get to the finish
1:02:18
Speaker 1: line with Ghislaine Maxwell finally, I think the result is
1:02:22
Speaker 1: going to be the same. Convictions and her spending the
1:02:26
Speaker 1: rest of her life in prison. That's going to do
1:02:30
Speaker 1: it for us this morning, folks. And as usual, there
1:02:34
Speaker 1: will be some context episodes today. And I will also
1:02:37
Speaker 1: be diving back into the Prince Andrew situation tonight on
1:02:42
Speaker 1: the evening update. So until then, folks, I hope you
1:02:47
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