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Waking Up the World: Being True to Life with Sounds True's Tami Simon · Deep Transformation

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Welcome
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to
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our
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conversation
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with
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Tami
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Simon,
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founder
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of
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Sounds
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True.
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The
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depth
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of
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her
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honesty,
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insight
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and
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spiritual
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intelligence
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comes
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shining
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through
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in
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this
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dialogue.
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This
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is
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not
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to
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be
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missed.
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Welcome
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to
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Deep
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Transformation,
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Self,
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Society,
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Spirit,
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life
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enhancing,
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paradigm
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rattling
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conversations
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with
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cutting
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edge
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thinkers,
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contemplatives
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and
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activists.
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With
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Dr.
0:29
Roger
0:30
Walsh
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and
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John
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Dupuy
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join
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us
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in
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the
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evolutionary
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fast
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lane
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as
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we
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take
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a
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deep
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dive
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into
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transformational
0:38
practice.
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Peak
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experience,
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profound
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understanding,
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powerful
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contribution.
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I'm
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Roger
0:50
Walsh
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and
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our
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co
0:51
host
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is
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John
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Dupuy.
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And
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with
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us
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today
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is
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Tammy
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Simon,
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multifaceted
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woman
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and
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best
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known
0:58
for
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being
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the
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creator
1:00
of
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Sounds
1:02
True,
1:02
a
1:03
multimedia,
1:04
now
1:05
very
1:05
multimedia
1:07
enterprise.
1:08
She's
1:08
an
1:08
entrepreneur,
1:09
an
1:09
author
1:10
herself,
1:11
producer
1:12
and
1:13
host
1:13
of
1:13
the
1:13
very
1:14
well
1:14
known
1:14
podcast
1:15
Sounds
1:15
Insights
1:16
at
1:16
the
1:16
Edge.
1:17
And
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Tammy,
1:18
you
1:19
started
1:19
Sounds
1:20
True.
1:20
John,
1:20
I
1:20
just
1:21
love
1:21
the
1:21
story
1:21
as
1:22
you
1:22
describe
1:22
yourself,
1:23
one
1:23
woman
1:23
with
1:23
a
1:24
tape
1:24
recorder
1:25
back
1:25
in
1:25
1985
1:26
and
1:26
over
1:27
almost
1:27
four
1:27
decades
1:28
that
1:28
has
1:28
grown
1:29
into
1:29
really
1:30
one
1:30
of
1:30
the
1:30
great
1:31
multimedia
1:32
publishing
1:32
companies
1:33
of
1:33
our,
1:33
of
1:34
our
1:34
time.
1:35
And
1:35
with
1:36
I
1:36
think
1:36
you
1:36
now
1:37
have
1:37
over
1:37
3,000
1:38
titles.
1:39
And
1:39
I
1:39
think
1:40
when
1:40
I
1:40
was
1:40
thinking
1:41
of
1:41
how
1:41
this
1:42
dialogue
1:42
and
1:42
looking
1:43
ahead
1:43
to
1:43
it,
1:43
I
1:43
was
1:44
really
1:44
excited
1:44
to
1:45
ask
1:45
you
1:45
about
1:45
all
1:45
the
1:45
people
1:46
you've
1:46
dialogued
1:47
with
1:47
and
1:47
published
1:48
and
1:48
their
1:48
ideas.
1:49
But
1:49
as
1:50
I
1:50
began
1:50
reading
1:51
about
1:51
Sounds
1:51
True,
1:52
I
1:52
was
1:52
just,
1:53
I
1:54
know
1:54
nothing
1:54
about
1:54
this
1:55
is
1:55
really
1:55
inspiring.
1:56
I
1:56
want
1:57
and
1:57
know
1:57
more
1:57
about
1:58
your
1:58
business
1:58
and
1:59
I
1:59
love
1:59
the
1:59
mission
2:00
statement.
2:00
Your
2:00
mission
2:01
statement
2:02
for
2:02
Sounds
2:02
True
2:03
is
2:03
to
2:03
wake
2:03
up
2:03
the
2:04
world.
2:04
And
2:05
you're
2:05
a
2:05
Colorado
2:06
public
2:06
benefits
2:07
corporation,
2:07
meaning
2:08
that
2:08
you're
2:08
really,
2:09
your
2:09
organization
2:10
is
2:11
really
2:12
oriented
2:13
towards
2:13
service
2:14
at
2:14
multiple
2:15
levels
2:15
and
2:15
at
2:16
all,
2:16
all
2:17
the
2:17
people
2:17
you
2:18
interact
2:19
with.
2:20
I
2:20
guess
2:20
I'd
2:21
love
2:21
first
2:22
to
2:22
just
2:22
have
2:23
you
2:23
speak
2:23
to
2:24
what's
2:24
the
2:24
spirit
2:25
or
2:26
ideal
2:27
that
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animates
2:28
you,
2:29
how
2:30
to
2:30
create
2:31
such
2:31
a
2:32
wonderful
2:33
institution
2:33
to
2:33
have
2:33
the
2:34
incredible
2:34
impact
2:35
you've
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had.
2:35
What's
2:35
the
2:36
underlying
2:36
ideal
2:37
or
2:38
purpose
2:38
here?
2:39
Well,
2:40
it's
2:40
interesting,
2:41
Roger
2:41
and
2:42
John,
2:42
that
2:43
I
2:43
would
2:43
have
2:43
the
2:44
chance
2:44
to
2:44
answer
2:45
this
2:45
question
2:45
in
2:46
a
2:46
broadcast
2:47
medium
2:47
like
2:48
this,
2:48
a
2:48
podcast.
2:49
And
2:49
I'm
2:50
so
2:50
pleased
2:50
to
2:50
be
2:51
with
2:51
both
2:51
of
2:52
you
2:52
just
2:52
to
2:52
say
2:53
that
2:53
here
2:53
at
2:53
the
2:53
outset
2:54
as
2:54
and
2:55
with
2:55
the
2:56
Deep
2:56
transformation
2:57
audience,
2:57
because
2:58
the
2:59
underlying
3:00
animating
3:00
principle
3:01
is
3:02
broadcast
3:03
awakening.
3:05
Yes.
3:06
All
3:06
right,
3:07
what
3:07
are
3:07
we
3:07
doing?
3:08
So
3:08
it's
3:09
giving
3:10
a
3:11
felt
3:12
communication
3:13
of
3:14
what
3:14
is
3:15
possible
3:16
in
3:17
a
3:17
way
3:17
that
3:17
is
3:18
embracing
3:19
simultaneously
3:21
of
3:22
all
3:22
of
3:22
the
3:22
ways
3:23
that
3:23
we're
3:24
contracted
3:25
and
3:25
not
3:26
yet
3:26
there
3:27
in
3:28
that
3:28
expanded
3:29
free,
3:30
fluid,
3:30
dynamic
3:31
state
3:32
and
3:32
inviting
3:33
people
3:33
in,
3:35
into
3:35
their
3:35
own
3:36
process,
3:36
into
3:37
greater
3:38
freedom
3:38
and
3:39
fluidity.
3:40
So
3:40
that's
3:41
what
3:41
I
3:42
want
3:42
to
3:42
be
3:42
up
3:43
to
3:43
with
3:43
my
3:43
life.
3:44
And
3:44
I'm
3:44
so
3:44
happy
3:45
to
3:45
have
3:45
this
3:45
chance
3:46
to
3:46
be
3:46
doing
3:46
it
3:46
with
3:47
you.
3:47
Yeah.
3:48
And
3:48
Tammy,
3:48
did
3:49
that
3:49
the
3:49
vision
3:49
you
3:50
started
3:50
out
3:50
with,
3:50
or
3:50
did
3:51
that
3:51
starting
3:51
becoming
3:52
more
3:52
apparent
3:53
as
3:53
you
3:53
began
3:53
doing
3:54
things
3:54
and
3:54
things
3:54
started
3:55
coming
3:55
together?
3:55
And
3:56
this
3:56
is
3:56
like,
3:56
wow,
3:56
this
3:57
is
3:57
powerful.
3:57
What
3:57
was
3:58
your
3:58
impetus
3:59
in
3:59
the
3:59
very
3:59
beginning?
4:00
So
4:00
we're
4:00
now
4:01
back
4:01
in
4:02
1985,
4:03
and
4:03
I'm
4:03
just
4:04
22
4:05
years
4:05
old.
4:06
And
4:07
I
4:07
was
4:07
fortunate
4:08
in
4:08
that
4:09
I
4:09
was
4:09
given
4:10
three
4:11
words
4:12
by,
4:13
you
4:13
could
4:14
say
4:14
the
4:14
universe,
4:15
or
4:15
you
4:15
could
4:15
say
4:16
angelic
4:17
force
4:18
whispering
4:18
in
4:18
my
4:19
ear,
4:19
my
4:19
own
4:19
deep
4:20
soul
4:20
speaking.
4:21
I
4:21
don't
4:21
know
4:21
what.
4:22
But
4:22
those
4:23
three
4:23
words
4:24
were
4:24
disseminate
4:25
spiritual
4:26
wisdom.
4:27
So
4:28
that
4:28
was
4:28
my
4:29
beginning
4:30
sort
4:31
of
4:31
animating
4:32
principle,
4:33
the
4:34
kind
4:34
of
4:34
sort
4:34
of
4:35
core
4:35
origin
4:36
of
4:36
sounds
4:37
true.
4:37
Disseminate
4:38
spiritual
4:38
wisdom.
4:39
And
4:39
that's
4:40
still
4:40
true
4:41
later
4:41
on
4:42
in
4:42
my
4:42
life.
4:43
I
4:43
was
4:43
on
4:43
a
4:44
retreat,
4:44
this
4:45
was
4:45
maybe
4:46
15
4:47
years
4:47
ago.
4:48
And
4:48
I
4:48
was
4:49
seeking
4:49
a
4:50
renewal
4:50
from
4:51
my
4:51
sense
4:51
of
4:51
purpose.
4:52
And
4:53
this
4:53
phrase
4:54
broadcast
4:54
awakening
4:55
came
4:56
to
4:56
me.
4:56
And
4:56
I
4:57
think
4:57
it's
4:57
simply
4:58
a
4:58
kind
4:58
of
4:59
further
5:00
evolutionary
5:01
development
5:01
of
5:01
disseminating
5:02
spiritual
5:03
wisdom.
5:04
And
5:04
I
5:04
think
5:04
the
5:04
broadcast
5:05
part
5:05
was
5:06
important
5:06
to
5:06
me
5:07
because
5:08
personally,
5:08
just
5:09
as
5:09
this
5:09
Tami
5:10
Simon
5:10
instrument
5:11
being
5:11
in
5:11
the
5:12
world,
5:12
I
5:12
have
5:13
an
5:13
excitement
5:14
about
5:14
live
5:15
broadcasting.
5:16
So
5:16
disseminate
5:17
spiritual
5:17
wisdom
5:18
was
5:18
the
5:18
principle
5:19
that
5:19
has
5:20
been
5:20
there,
5:21
our
5:21
mission.
5:21
It
5:21
sounds
5:22
true.
5:22
And
5:22
then
5:23
Hammy
5:23
Simon
5:24
broadcast
5:24
awakening.
5:25
That's
5:25
what
5:25
turns
5:25
me
5:26
on.
5:26
And
5:26
how
5:26
did
5:27
that
5:27
original
5:27
inspiration
5:28
come
5:28
to
5:28
you,
5:29
Tammy?
5:29
Sure.
5:30
So
5:30
it's
5:31
a
5:31
story,
5:31
and
5:32
it's
5:32
interesting
5:33
because
5:33
it
5:33
involves
5:34
the
5:35
energy
5:35
and
5:36
support
5:36
of
5:36
another
5:37
person.
5:38
So
5:38
here,
5:39
22
5:40
years
5:40
old,
5:41
I
5:41
am
5:42
at
5:42
the
5:42
time,
5:43
working
5:44
at
5:44
a
5:44
Chinese
5:45
restaurant,
5:45
Mr.
5:46
Lee's
5:46
in
5:47
Boulder,
5:47
Colorado,
5:48
on
5:48
Spruce
5:48
street,
5:49
where
5:50
everybody
5:50
knew
5:51
the
5:51
special
5:51
sauce,
5:52
and
5:52
it
5:52
had
5:53
little
5:53
bit
5:53
of
5:53
oil.
5:54
And
5:54
then,
5:54
you
5:55
know,
5:55
he
5:55
was
5:56
drinking
5:56
his
5:56
beer
5:56
while
5:57
he
5:57
was
5:57
cooking
5:58
and
5:59
smoking
5:59
a
5:59
cigarette,
6:00
and
6:00
everything
6:01
went
6:01
into
6:01
this.
6:02
Okay,
6:02
so
6:03
here
6:03
I
6:03
am,
6:03
I'm
6:03
working
6:04
as
6:04
a
6:05
waitress
6:05
and
6:06
volunteering
6:07
at
6:08
kgnu,
6:08
Boulder
6:09
County
6:09
Public
6:09
Radio.
6:10
And
6:10
one
6:11
of
6:11
the
6:11
people
6:11
I'm
6:12
interviewing,
6:13
ball
6:14
things,
6:14
had
6:15
on
6:15
his
6:15
door
6:16
a
6:17
yin
6:17
yang
6:18
symbol
6:18
with
6:18
a
6:19
dollar
6:19
sign
6:19
through
6:19
the
6:20
center
6:20
and
6:20
the
6:21
words
6:21
transacon,
6:23
which
6:23
stood
6:23
for
6:24
transformational
6:24
economy
6:25
above
6:26
the
6:26
circle.
6:27
And
6:27
I
6:28
was
6:28
interviewing
6:29
him
6:29
not
6:30
about
6:30
transformational
6:31
economy,
6:32
but
6:32
about
6:32
something
6:33
else
6:33
that
6:33
he
6:33
had
6:34
in
6:34
his
6:34
window
6:35
that
6:35
was
6:35
facing
6:36
Pearl
6:36
Street,
6:36
18th
6:37
and
6:37
Pearl
6:37
in
6:37
Boulder,
6:38
Colorado,
6:39
which
6:39
was
6:39
these
6:39
huge
6:40
crystals,
6:40
giant
6:41
crystals,
6:41
we're
6:42
talking,
6:42
like
6:42
2ft
6:42
tall.
6:43
And,
6:43
you
6:44
know,
6:44
and
6:44
I
6:44
was
6:44
like,
6:44
what
6:45
the
6:45
heck
6:45
is
6:45
this
6:45
guy
6:45
doing
6:46
with
6:46
all
6:46
these
6:46
crystals?
6:47
And
6:47
he
6:48
shared
6:48
with
6:48
me
6:49
that
6:49
they
6:49
were
6:49
part
6:50
of
6:50
his
6:51
Spiritual
6:51
practice,
6:52
spiritual
6:52
life,
6:53
working
6:53
with
6:54
crystal
6:54
energy.
6:54
So
6:55
I
6:55
was
6:55
very
6:55
curious
6:55
about
6:56
this.
6:56
And
6:56
he
6:57
and
6:57
I
6:57
became
6:57
friends
6:58
and
6:58
in
6:58
the
6:58
process
6:59
of
6:59
interviewing
7:00
him
7:00
for
7:01
my
7:01
volunteer
7:02
role
7:02
at
7:03
Boulder
7:03
County
7:04
Community
7:04
Radio,
7:05
hosting
7:05
a
7:05
show.
7:06
Live
7:07
from
7:07
Planet
7:07
Earth
7:08
was
7:09
the
7:09
name
7:09
of
7:09
my
7:10
interview
7:10
show.
7:11
My
7:11
father
7:12
died
7:13
during
7:13
this
7:13
period
7:14
and
7:15
I
7:16
inherited
7:16
a
7:17
small
7:17
amount
7:17
of
7:17
money
7:18
and
7:19
it
7:20
was
7:20
$50,000,
7:21
and
7:23
it
7:23
didn't
7:23
seem
7:24
small
7:24
to
7:24
me
7:25
at
7:25
that
7:25
time
7:26
as
7:26
a
7:26
22
7:27
year
7:27
old
7:27
and
7:28
with
7:28
inflation
7:29
and
7:29
everything,
7:29
if
7:29
you
7:30
brought
7:30
it
7:30
up
7:30
to
7:30
today's
7:31
amount
7:32
of
7:32
money,
7:32
it
7:32
would
7:32
be
7:33
like
7:33
inheriting
7:33
$200,000.
7:35
So
7:35
it
7:35
was
7:36
to
7:36
me
7:36
a
7:36
significant
7:37
sum
7:38
of
7:38
what
7:38
am
7:38
I
7:38
going
7:39
to
7:39
do
7:39
with
7:39
this
7:39
money?
7:40
And
7:40
I
7:40
didn't
7:41
know
7:41
what
7:41
to
7:41
do.
7:42
And
7:42
for
7:42
whatever
7:42
reason,
7:43
I
7:43
had
7:44
this
7:45
not
7:45
terrific
7:46
association
7:46
with
7:47
just
7:47
putting
7:47
it
7:47
in
7:48
a
7:48
bank
7:48
and
7:49
letting
7:49
the
7:49
bank
7:49
invest
7:50
however
7:50
they
7:51
would.
7:51
I
7:51
thought,
7:51
no,
7:51
there's
7:52
something
7:52
better.
7:52
And
7:53
this
7:53
gentleman
7:53
had
7:54
the
7:54
sign
7:55
transformational
7:56
economy.
7:56
I'm
7:56
going
7:56
to
7:56
talk
7:57
to
7:57
him
7:57
about
7:57
it.
7:57
So
7:58
I'm
7:58
sharing
7:58
with
7:58
him,
7:58
I've
7:59
inherited
7:59
this
7:59
money.
7:59
What
8:00
should
8:00
I
8:00
do?
8:00
I
8:00
don't
8:00
know
8:00
what
8:01
to
8:01
do
8:01
with
8:01
it.
8:01
And
8:02
he
8:02
said,
8:03
why
8:03
don't
8:03
you
8:03
put
8:04
it
8:04
into
8:04
yourself?
8:05
Why
8:06
don't
8:06
you
8:06
invest
8:06
that
8:07
money
8:07
into
8:07
yourself?
8:08
And
8:09
I
8:09
thought,
8:09
well,
8:09
that's
8:10
really
8:10
good
8:11
idea,
8:11
good
8:11
suggestion.
8:12
But
8:12
then
8:13
it
8:13
was
8:13
kind
8:13
of
8:13
like
8:13
I
8:13
was
8:13
having
8:14
a
8:14
conversation
8:14
with
8:14
myself.
8:15
If
8:15
only
8:15
me
8:15
and
8:16
myself
8:16
knew
8:17
what
8:17
to
8:17
do.
8:18
Like,
8:18
we
8:18
don't
8:18
know
8:19
what
8:19
we're
8:19
doing.
8:19
You
8:20
know,
8:20
I'm
8:20
waitressing,
8:21
you
8:21
know,
8:21
volunteer
8:22
interview
8:22
show
8:23
with
8:23
spiritual
8:23
teachers.
8:24
I
8:24
don't
8:24
know
8:24
what
8:24
I'm
8:25
doing.
8:25
But
8:25
then
8:25
this
8:26
interesting
8:26
thing
8:26
happened.
8:27
He
8:27
said,
8:28
why
8:28
don't
8:28
you
8:28
come
8:28
back
8:29
in
8:29
three
8:29
days
8:29
and
8:30
we'll
8:30
talk
8:30
about
8:30
it.
8:32
And
8:32
I
8:33
was
8:33
like,
8:33
huh?
8:34
And
8:34
he
8:35
also
8:35
said
8:35
to
8:35
me,
8:36
tammy,
8:36
you
8:37
know
8:37
what
8:37
you
8:37
want
8:38
to
8:38
do?
8:38
Come
8:39
back
8:39
in
8:39
three
8:39
days
8:39
and
8:40
we'll
8:40
talk
8:40
about
8:40
it,
8:41
huh?
8:42
So
8:42
I
8:42
walked
8:42
out
8:43
of
8:43
his
8:43
office
8:43
and
8:43
that's
8:44
when
8:44
this
8:44
strange
8:44
thing
8:45
happened
8:45
because
8:46
I
8:46
suddenly
8:46
felt
8:47
like
8:47
I
8:47
wasn't
8:48
walking
8:49
exactly
8:49
on
8:49
the
8:50
ground.
8:50
Like
8:50
I
8:50
felt
8:51
a
8:51
little
8:51
bit
8:51
like
8:51
I
8:51
was
8:51
walking
8:52
two
8:52
feet
8:52
off
8:52
the
8:52
ground.
8:53
And
8:53
that
8:53
was
8:53
very
8:53
odd
8:54
and
8:54
not
8:54
something
8:55
that
8:55
I
8:56
had
8:56
experienced
8:57
in
8:57
my
8:57
life
8:57
before.
8:58
So
8:58
I
8:58
took
8:58
special
8:58
note.
8:59
I
8:59
was
8:59
like,
8:59
wow,
9:00
that
9:00
was
9:00
a
9:00
powerful
9:01
meeting.
9:01
What
9:01
just
9:01
happened?
9:02
What's
9:02
going
9:03
on?
9:03
Why
9:03
am
9:03
I
9:03
walking
9:04
above
9:04
the
9:04
sidewalk?
9:05
This
9:05
is
9:05
really
9:05
weird.
9:05
I
9:06
feel
9:06
really
9:06
weird.
9:08
But
9:08
at
9:08
the
9:09
time
9:09
I
9:09
was
9:09
reading
9:09
a
9:10
book
9:10
by
9:10
Eugene
9:11
Gendlin
9:11
on
9:12
focusing,
9:12
and
9:13
I
9:13
was
9:14
practicing
9:14
paying
9:15
attention
9:15
inwardly
9:16
to
9:16
a
9:17
felt
9:17
sense.
9:17
So
9:18
I
9:18
was
9:18
practicing
9:18
that
9:19
in
9:19
general.
9:19
And
9:20
so
9:20
I
9:20
was
9:20
like,
9:20
oh,
9:20
you
9:20
know,
9:21
the
9:21
felt
9:21
sense
9:21
is
9:22
I'm
9:22
two
9:22
feet
9:22
off
9:23
the
9:23
ground.
9:23
This
9:23
is
9:23
weird.
9:24
Okay.
9:24
And
9:25
then
9:26
that's
9:26
when
9:26
I
9:27
heard
9:27
this
9:28
mysterious
9:30
voice
9:30
disseminate
9:31
spiritual
9:32
wisdom.
9:34
And
9:34
there
9:34
was
9:34
a
9:34
period
9:35
also,
9:36
and
9:36
I
9:36
knew
9:37
that's
9:37
what
9:37
I
9:37
was
9:37
going
9:38
to
9:38
do
9:38
with
9:38
the
9:38
money
9:38
I
9:39
inherited.
9:40
So
9:40
that's
9:40
the
9:40
origin
9:41
of
9:41
sounds
9:42
true.
9:43
Beautiful.
9:43
That's
9:44
a
9:44
great
9:44
story.
9:44
Boulder
9:45
at
9:45
that
9:45
time
9:45
was
9:46
one
9:46
of
9:46
those
9:46
hubspots
9:47
where
9:48
lots
9:48
of
9:48
things
9:48
were
9:49
going
9:49
on.
9:49
Kind
9:49
of
9:49
like
9:50
the
9:50
Bay
9:50
Area,
9:50
you
9:51
know,
9:51
San
9:51
Francisco,
9:51
Berkeley.
9:52
I
9:53
kind
9:53
of
9:53
spent
9:54
time
9:54
in
9:54
both.
9:54
But
9:54
I'm
9:55
just
9:55
reading
9:55
a
9:55
biography
9:56
about
9:56
HA
9:57
Almas.
9:57
Right.
9:58
The
9:58
Jewel
9:59
Path.
9:59
And
10:00
he's
10:00
talking
10:00
and
10:00
they're
10:00
just
10:00
talking.
10:01
It
10:01
sounds
10:01
like
10:01
70s,
10:02
80s
10:03
in
10:03
Boulder
10:03
was
10:04
a
10:04
happening
10:04
time.
10:04
There
10:05
was
10:05
a
10:05
lot
10:05
of.
10:06
Lot
10:06
of
10:06
awakening
10:07
and
10:07
a
10:07
lot
10:07
of
10:07
really
10:08
important
10:08
energy
10:09
going
10:09
on
10:10
there.
10:10
And
10:10
I
10:10
originally
10:12
made
10:12
my
10:12
way
10:12
to
10:12
Boulder
10:13
to
10:13
go
10:13
to
10:13
Naropa
10:14
University
10:15
and
10:15
so
10:15
the
10:15
first
10:16
accredited
10:17
Buddhist
10:17
university.
10:18
And
10:18
I
10:18
was
10:18
interested
10:19
in
10:19
studying
10:20
psychology
10:21
and
10:21
meditation
10:22
because
10:23
I
10:23
wanted
10:23
to
10:23
understand.
10:24
I
10:24
had
10:24
been
10:25
at
10:25
Swarthmore
10:26
College
10:26
for
10:26
two
10:27
years.
10:27
And
10:28
then
10:28
I
10:28
left
10:29
and
10:30
went
10:30
to
10:30
Sri
10:31
Lanka,
10:31
India
10:32
and
10:32
Nepal
10:32
for
10:33
a
10:33
year
10:33
and
10:33
learned
10:34
how
10:34
to
10:34
meditate.
10:35
And
10:35
in
10:35
that
10:36
period,
10:36
I
10:36
was
10:36
working
10:37
with
10:37
SN
10:38
Goinka
10:39
and
10:39
his
10:39
intensive
10:40
10
10:41
day
10:41
Vipassana
10:42
boot
10:42
camps.
10:43
And
10:44
I
10:44
called
10:44
them
10:44
boot
10:44
camps
10:45
because.
10:45
You
10:45
woke
10:45
up
10:46
very
10:46
appropriately.
10:47
Yeah,
10:47
I
10:48
mean,
10:48
you
10:48
wake
10:48
up
10:48
at
10:48
5am,
10:49
you
10:49
go
10:49
to
10:49
sleep
10:49
at
10:50
10pm
10:50
and
10:50
you
10:50
have
10:50
noble
10:51
signs
10:52
the
10:52
whole
10:52
time
10:52
for
10:53
a
10:53
ten
10:53
day
10:53
period.
10:54
And
10:54
I
10:54
did
10:55
four
10:55
of
10:55
these
10:56
intensive
10:57
ten
10:57
day
10:57
boot
10:58
camps
10:58
within
10:59
a
10:59
period
11:00
of
11:00
about
11:00
two
11:00
and
11:01
a
11:01
half
11:01
months.
11:02
And
11:03
that
11:04
changed
11:05
me
11:05
in
11:05
an
11:06
irrevocable
11:06
way.
11:07
And
11:07
when
11:08
I
11:08
came
11:08
back,
11:09
I
11:09
didn't
11:10
feel
11:10
that
11:11
trying
11:11
to
11:11
re
11:12
enter
11:12
a
11:12
traditional
11:13
academic
11:14
degree
11:14
was
11:14
a
11:14
fit.
11:15
And
11:15
I
11:15
thought,
11:15
well,
11:15
I'll
11:16
come
11:16
out
11:16
to
11:16
Boulder
11:17
and
11:17
at
11:18
least
11:18
I
11:18
can
11:19
at
11:19
Naropa
11:19
University
11:20
try
11:20
to
11:21
understand
11:22
what
11:22
is
11:22
happening
11:23
to
11:23
me.
11:24
How
11:24
am
11:25
I
11:25
possibly
11:25
going
11:26
to
11:26
bring
11:27
timelessness
11:28
and
11:28
time
11:29
together
11:29
into
11:30
a
11:30
well
11:31
functioning,
11:32
integrative
11:33
personhood?
11:34
Maybe
11:35
Naropa
11:35
can
11:35
help.
11:36
But
11:36
when
11:36
I
11:36
got
11:36
out
11:37
to
11:37
Boulder
11:37
and
11:37
I
11:38
was
11:38
still
11:38
in
11:38
a
11:38
classroom
11:39
with,
11:40
you
11:41
know,
11:41
they
11:41
still
11:41
had
11:41
chalkboards
11:42
at
11:42
the
11:43
time,
11:43
I
11:43
was
11:43
like,
11:43
I
11:44
can't
11:44
be
11:44
in
11:44
a
11:44
classroom.
11:45
Something
11:45
else
11:45
is
11:45
going
11:46
on
11:46
inside
11:46
me.
11:47
And
11:47
so
11:47
I
11:47
left
11:47
Naropa,
11:48
but
11:48
I
11:48
did
11:48
find
11:49
myself
11:49
in
11:50
Boulder.
11:50
And
11:51
you're
11:51
right,
11:51
John,
11:52
that
11:52
many
11:53
of
11:53
the
11:54
great
11:54
spiritual
11:55
teachers
11:55
at
11:55
the
11:56
time
11:56
would
11:56
pass
11:57
through
11:57
Boulder
11:57
and
11:58
teach
11:58
a
11:58
workshop
11:58
in
11:59
Boulder.
11:59
And
12:00
so
12:00
when
12:00
I
12:00
decided
12:01
to
12:01
have
12:01
this
12:02
volunteer
12:03
radio
12:03
show
12:04
interviewing
12:04
spiritual
12:05
teachers,
12:05
I
12:05
wanted
12:06
to
12:06
keep
12:06
learning.
12:06
So
12:07
I
12:07
Couldn't
12:07
follow
12:07
an
12:08
academic
12:08
path,
12:09
but
12:09
I
12:09
was
12:09
very
12:10
still
12:10
interested
12:12
in
12:12
understanding
12:13
the
12:14
spiritual
12:14
journey.
12:15
I
12:15
was
12:15
fortunate
12:16
that
12:16
I
12:16
could
12:16
talk
12:17
to
12:17
many
12:17
of
12:17
those
12:18
teachers
12:19
when
12:19
they
12:19
came
12:19
through
12:19
Boulder
12:20
as
12:20
part
12:20
of
12:20
my
12:20
radio
12:21
show.
12:22
Beautiful.
12:24
I'm
12:24
struck
12:25
by
12:25
the
12:25
analogy
12:26
to
12:26
someone
12:27
whose
12:27
work
12:28
and
12:28
life
12:28
you
12:28
have
12:28
intersected
12:29
with
12:29
and
12:29
helped
12:30
promote,
12:30
and
12:30
that
12:30
is
12:30
Ken
12:31
Wilby.
12:31
You
12:31
were
12:31
waitressing.
12:32
He
12:32
was
12:32
dishwashing
12:33
in
12:33
a
12:33
restaurant
12:34
at
12:34
the
12:34
same
12:35
time.
12:35
And
12:36
you
12:36
both
12:36
had
12:37
very
12:37
interesting
12:38
careers.
12:39
Your
12:39
interviews
12:39
you
12:39
did
12:40
with
12:40
him,
12:40
the
12:40
DVD
12:41
set
12:41
Cosmic
12:41
Consciousness
12:42
was
12:43
one
12:43
of
12:43
the
12:43
best
12:43
things
12:43
I'd
12:43
ever
12:44
heard.
12:44
You
12:44
know,
12:44
he
12:44
was
12:44
being
12:44
Ken
12:45
Wilbert
12:45
them.
12:46
You
12:46
were
12:46
like
12:46
the
12:46
rest
12:47
of
12:47
us,
12:47
you
12:48
know,
12:48
you
12:48
just
12:48
kept
12:48
them
12:49
right
12:49
on
12:49
track
12:50
and
12:50
asking
12:51
the
12:51
obvious
12:52
good
12:52
questions.
12:53
I
12:53
helped
12:54
your
12:54
sales.
12:54
I
12:55
bought
12:55
those
12:55
and
12:55
gave
12:55
them
12:55
away
12:56
to
12:56
a
12:56
lot
12:56
of
12:56
people
12:56
because
12:56
I
12:56
thought
12:57
it
12:57
was
12:57
such
12:57
a
12:57
good
12:58
introduction
12:58
to
12:59
Ken
12:59
Wilbur
12:59
and
13:00
the
13:00
Integral
13:00
Model.
13:00
And
13:01
you
13:01
did
13:01
extraordinary
13:02
job.
13:02
And
13:02
doing
13:02
that
13:02
interview,
13:03
I
13:03
had
13:03
a.
13:03
Motto
13:04
inside,
13:05
which
13:05
is
13:05
that
13:05
I
13:06
wanted
13:06
to
13:06
understand
13:08
everything
13:08
he
13:09
was
13:09
saying
13:10
in
13:10
my
13:10
body.
13:11
I
13:12
wanted
13:12
to
13:12
feel
13:13
like
13:13
I
13:13
could
13:14
get
13:14
it
13:14
inside
13:15
my
13:15
body.
13:15
And
13:15
if
13:15
I
13:16
had
13:16
a
13:16
question
13:16
like,
13:16
I
13:17
don't
13:17
get
13:17
that.
13:17
That
13:17
doesn't
13:18
land.
13:19
I'm
13:19
just
13:20
gonna
13:20
ask
13:20
my
13:20
question
13:21
because
13:22
I
13:22
want
13:22
to
13:22
really
13:23
understand.
13:23
And
13:24
if
13:24
I
13:24
really
13:24
understand
13:25
it,
13:25
I'll
13:26
kind
13:26
of
13:26
get
13:26
it
13:26
in
13:26
my
13:26
bones.
13:27
Like,
13:27
my
13:27
bones
13:28
will
13:28
get
13:28
it.
13:28
Yes.
13:29
And
13:29
so
13:29
I
13:29
wasn't
13:30
willing
13:30
to
13:30
kind
13:31
of
13:31
let
13:31
things
13:31
go
13:32
by
13:32
and
13:32
be
13:32
like,
13:32
what?
13:33
I
13:33
was
13:33
like,
13:33
no,
13:33
my
13:33
bones
13:34
are
13:34
saying,
13:34
come
13:34
on,
13:35
wait.
13:35
I
13:35
don't
13:35
get
13:35
this
13:36
yet.
13:36
And
13:36
I
13:37
was
13:37
just
13:37
willing.
13:37
I
13:37
mean,
13:37
you
13:38
said
13:38
good
13:38
and
13:38
obvious
13:39
questions.
13:39
I
13:40
was
13:40
just
13:40
willing
13:40
to
13:40
be
13:41
ignorant,
13:42
you
13:42
know,
13:42
because
13:43
I
13:43
didn't
13:43
find
13:43
it
13:44
easy
13:44
to
13:45
understand
13:46
Ken's
13:47
work
13:47
in
13:47
the
13:47
Integral
13:48
Model.
13:48
It
13:48
wasn't
13:49
easy
13:49
for
13:50
me.
13:50
In
13:50
fact,
13:50
it
13:51
took
13:51
me
13:51
a
13:51
month
13:52
of
13:52
reading
13:52
his
13:53
books.
13:53
And
13:53
I
13:53
remember
13:53
I'd
13:53
put
13:53
a
13:54
book
13:54
down,
13:54
and
13:55
then
13:55
I'd
13:55
go
13:55
back
13:55
and
13:55
pick
13:56
it
13:56
up.
13:56
And
13:56
I
13:57
had
13:57
to
13:57
go
13:57
back
13:57
a
13:57
few
13:58
chapters
13:58
in
13:59
order
13:59
to
13:59
kind
13:59
of,
13:59
like,
13:59
get
14:00
back
14:00
on
14:00
the
14:00
wavelength
14:01
in
14:01
order
14:01
to
14:02
keep
14:02
reading
14:02
in
14:02
the
14:03
book.
14:03
And
14:03
I
14:03
was
14:03
like,
14:03
God,
14:04
why
14:04
is
14:04
this
14:04
hard
14:04
for
14:04
me?
14:05
But
14:05
it
14:05
just.
14:05
It
14:05
was.
14:05
It
14:06
was
14:06
a
14:06
journey
14:07
to
14:07
really
14:08
understand
14:08
the
14:08
Integral
14:09
Model.
14:09
And
14:09
so,
14:09
anyway,
14:10
that's
14:10
the
14:10
kind
14:11
of
14:11
intent
14:12
I
14:12
brought
14:12
to
14:12
the
14:13
conversation.
14:13
You
14:14
came
14:14
through
14:14
as
14:14
so
14:14
grounded
14:15
that
14:15
you
14:15
mentioned
14:16
it.
14:16
You
14:16
had
14:16
to
14:16
understand
14:16
it
14:16
in
14:17
your
14:17
body.
14:17
And
14:17
you
14:17
really
14:18
brought
14:18
that
14:18
into
14:19
just
14:19
what
14:19
Ken
14:19
needed
14:20
at
14:20
that
14:20
time.
14:21
And
14:21
it
14:21
was
14:21
just
14:21
like
14:22
Simon
14:22
and
14:23
Garfunkel
14:23
or
14:23
something.
14:23
It
14:24
was
14:24
just
14:24
such
14:24
a
14:24
great
14:25
coming
14:25
together.
14:25
And
14:26
I'M
14:26
sure.
14:26
I
14:27
don't
14:27
know.
14:27
I
14:27
bought
14:27
it
14:27
and
14:28
gave
14:28
it
14:28
to
14:28
a
14:28
lot
14:28
of
14:28
people,
14:28
but
14:28
I'm
14:29
sure
14:29
that
14:29
helped
14:29
a
14:29
lot
14:29
of
14:30
people
14:30
to
14:30
understand
14:31
and
14:31
open
14:31
up
14:31
that
14:32
very
14:32
important
14:32
transmission
14:33
that
14:33
was
14:33
coming
14:33
through
14:34
Ken.
14:34
Well,
14:34
thanks,
14:35
John,
14:35
for
14:35
the
14:36
sales.
14:36
And
14:36
also,
14:37
you
14:37
know,
14:38
Ken
14:38
has
14:38
this.
14:39
I
14:39
could
14:39
feel
14:40
it
14:40
even
14:40
as
14:40
we
14:40
were
14:41
talking.
14:41
This
14:41
gift
14:42
was.
14:42
He
14:42
knew
14:43
what
14:44
I
14:44
wasn't
14:44
understanding.
14:45
He
14:45
could
14:46
sense
14:46
it.
14:46
He
14:47
could
14:47
feel
14:47
in
14:47
me,
14:48
like,
14:48
as
14:48
I
14:48
was
14:48
getting
14:48
ready
14:49
to
14:49
ask
14:49
a
14:49
question,
14:49
he
14:50
was
14:50
like,
14:50
already
14:50
at
14:51
the
14:51
end
14:51
of
14:51
the
14:51
question,
14:52
even
14:52
though
14:52
I'd
14:52
barely
14:52
opened
14:53
my
14:53
mouth.
14:54
So
14:54
he
14:54
was
14:54
tracking
14:55
right
14:56
with
14:57
my
14:57
ignorance
14:58
as
14:58
we
14:58
progressed
14:59
through
14:59
the
15:00
dialogue,
15:00
which
15:01
made
15:01
it
15:01
easy
15:02
in
15:02
a
15:02
way.
15:03
And
15:03
I'm
15:03
struck
15:04
that
15:04
you
15:04
were
15:04
doing
15:05
a
15:05
kind
15:05
of
15:05
contemplative
15:06
inquiry.
15:07
It
15:07
sounds,
15:07
Tammy,
15:08
that
15:08
I
15:08
can
15:08
feel
15:08
the
15:08
way
15:09
your
15:09
meditation
15:10
practice
15:11
was
15:11
present
15:11
with
15:12
you,
15:12
allowing
15:12
to
15:13
sense
15:13
in
15:14
and
15:14
operate
15:15
out
15:15
of
15:15
your
15:15
felt
15:16
sense.
15:16
Maybe
15:17
it
15:17
was
15:17
the
15:17
Genlin
15:18
focusing
15:18
work
15:19
as
15:19
well,
15:19
but
15:20
it
15:20
really
15:20
has
15:20
a
15:21
feel,
15:21
as
15:22
so
15:22
much
15:22
of
15:23
your
15:23
work
15:24
does,
15:24
of
15:25
this
15:25
kind
15:25
of
15:26
you
15:27
operating
15:27
on
15:27
a
15:27
couple
15:27
of
15:28
levels,
15:28
very
15:28
present
15:29
with
15:29
the
15:29
person
15:30
as
15:30
you
15:30
are
15:30
right
15:31
now,
15:31
but
15:31
also
15:32
very
15:32
much
15:32
in
15:32
touch
15:33
with
15:33
your
15:34
own
15:34
experience
15:35
and
15:35
felt
15:35
sense
15:36
of
15:36
what's
15:36
called
15:37
for
15:37
in
15:37
the
15:37
moment.
15:38
Yeah,
15:39
thanks
15:39
for
15:39
noticing
15:40
that,
15:40
Roger.
15:41
And
15:41
I
15:41
think
15:42
when
15:42
I
15:43
first
15:43
was
15:43
introduced
15:44
to
15:44
meditation,
15:45
so
15:45
this
15:45
was
15:45
back
15:46
at
15:46
Swarthmore
15:47
College
15:47
in
15:48
my
15:48
sophomore
15:49
year,
15:49
there
15:50
was
15:51
great
15:51
Quaker
15:52
school.
15:52
I
15:52
have
15:52
a
15:52
lot
15:52
of
15:52
respect
15:53
for
15:53
that
15:53
school.
15:53
That's
15:54
awesome.
15:54
So
15:54
there
15:55
I
15:55
was
15:55
in
15:55
the
15:56
Religious
15:56
Studies
15:57
department,
15:57
and
15:58
on
15:58
a
15:58
Fulbright
15:59
scholarship
16:00
was
16:00
Professor
16:01
Gunapala
16:01
Dharmasiri,
16:02
teaching
16:03
Buddhism
16:04
and
16:04
existentialism.
16:05
And
16:05
he
16:05
introduced
16:06
us
16:06
to
16:06
meditation.
16:07
So
16:08
that
16:08
was
16:08
my
16:08
very
16:08
first
16:09
introduction.
16:10
And
16:10
I
16:10
remember
16:11
when
16:11
I
16:12
started
16:12
to
16:12
meditate,
16:13
I
16:14
felt
16:14
a
16:15
kind
16:15
of
16:16
homecoming
16:18
and
16:19
sense
16:20
of
16:21
rest
16:21
and
16:21
belonging
16:23
that
16:24
I
16:24
had
16:24
not
16:24
felt
16:25
in
16:25
my
16:25
life
16:25
up
16:26
until
16:26
that
16:26
moment.
16:27
And
16:28
it
16:28
was,
16:29
in
16:29
a
16:29
way,
16:29
easy
16:30
and
16:30
natural
16:31
for
16:31
me
16:32
to
16:32
dedicate.
16:33
And
16:33
that's
16:33
why
16:33
I
16:33
left
16:34
Swarthmore
16:35
and
16:35
went
16:35
to
16:35
Sri
16:35
Lanka.
16:36
After
16:36
his
16:36
one
16:37
year
16:37
there
16:38
teaching
16:38
on
16:39
his
16:39
Fulbright
16:40
scholarship,
16:40
he
16:40
went
16:40
back
16:41
to
16:41
his
16:41
home
16:42
at
16:42
Peradeniya
16:43
University
16:43
in
16:43
Sri
16:43
Lanka.
16:44
And
16:44
I
16:44
was
16:44
like,
16:45
I'm
16:45
going
16:45
with
16:45
him
16:46
and
16:46
his
16:46
wife
16:46
and
16:46
three
16:47
kids,
16:47
and
16:48
that's
16:48
where
16:48
I'm
16:48
going.
16:49
And
16:49
I'm
16:49
going
16:49
to
16:49
learn
16:49
more
16:50
about
16:50
meditation.
16:51
And
16:51
so
16:52
I
16:52
think
16:52
that
16:52
as
16:52
a
16:53
person,
16:53
there
16:53
was
16:53
a
16:54
way
16:54
that
16:54
I
16:55
trusted
16:57
that
16:58
sense
16:58
of
16:58
being
17:00
grounded
17:01
here,
17:04
that
17:04
I
17:04
didn't
17:05
feel
17:06
a
17:06
sense
17:06
of
17:06
connectivity
17:08
anywhere
17:08
else
17:09
in
17:09
my
17:09
life
17:09
in
17:09
the
17:10
same
17:10
way.
17:11
And
17:11
so
17:12
it
17:12
was
17:12
my
17:13
introduction
17:14
to
17:14
just
17:15
being
17:16
connected
17:17
and,
17:17
okay,
17:18
strong
17:19
language
17:19
but
17:19
just
17:20
like,
17:20
okay.
17:20
Like,
17:21
oh,
17:21
my
17:21
God,
17:21
for
17:22
the
17:22
first
17:22
time,
17:22
I
17:22
feel
17:23
okay.
17:24
I'm
17:24
okay.
17:26
Wow.
17:27
And
17:27
it
17:27
took
17:28
meditation
17:29
to
17:29
open
17:30
that
17:30
experience
17:31
to
17:31
me.
17:32
And
17:32
that
17:32
okayness
17:33
did
17:34
come
17:34
from
17:34
something
17:35
like,
17:35
and
17:36
I'll
17:36
use
17:36
this
17:36
word,
17:37
presence,
17:38
Discovering
17:39
presence.
17:40
And
17:40
so
17:40
even
17:41
in
17:41
terms
17:41
of,
17:42
Roger,
17:43
your
17:43
comment
17:44
about
17:44
being
17:45
present
17:46
with
17:46
other
17:47
people
17:47
and
17:48
attuning
17:49
inward,
17:49
I
17:50
think
17:50
for
17:50
me
17:50
it
17:50
was
17:51
more
17:51
like,
17:51
oh,
17:51
this
17:52
is
17:52
what
17:52
presence
17:53
is.
17:54
This
17:54
is
17:54
what
17:55
being
17:55
is,
17:56
and
17:57
this
17:57
is
17:57
how
17:58
I
17:58
feel.
17:58
Okay.
17:59
And
17:59
I
18:00
can
18:00
also
18:01
be
18:01
okay
18:02
with
18:02
other
18:02
people
18:03
a
18:03
lot
18:03
harder,
18:03
but
18:04
I
18:04
can
18:04
most
18:04
of
18:05
the
18:05
time.
18:07
Beautiful
18:08
combination.
18:09
And
18:10
how
18:10
have
18:11
you
18:11
bought
18:11
this?
18:12
For
18:12
me,
18:12
it's
18:12
one
18:13
thing
18:13
to
18:13
do
18:13
that
18:14
just
18:15
sitting
18:15
on
18:15
a
18:15
cushion
18:16
by
18:16
myself.
18:16
It's
18:17
more
18:17
challenging,
18:18
as
18:18
you
18:18
implied,
18:18
to
18:19
do
18:19
it
18:19
with
18:19
another.
18:20
But
18:20
it's
18:21
a
18:21
whole
18:21
nother
18:21
level
18:22
of
18:22
demand
18:23
when
18:24
one
18:24
is
18:24
working
18:24
with
18:25
an
18:25
institution
18:26
or
18:26
an
18:26
organization.
18:27
So
18:27
how
18:28
do
18:28
you
18:28
bring
18:28
that
18:29
into.
18:30
Sounds
18:30
true.
18:31
And
18:32
the
18:32
whole
18:32
kind
18:32
of
18:33
a
18:33
question
18:33
John
18:33
asked
18:34
before,
18:34
how
18:34
do
18:34
you
18:35
hold
18:36
both
18:36
that
18:37
presence
18:37
and
18:38
that
18:39
vertical
18:39
inspiration
18:41
as
18:41
you.
18:42
Too
18:42
much
18:42
of
18:42
an
18:42
exaggeration.
18:43
Say,
18:43
I'm
18:43
Empire,
18:44
a
18:44
big
18:44
institution,
18:45
organization.
18:46
Well,
18:47
I
18:47
think
18:47
one
18:47
of
18:47
the
18:48
things
18:48
that
18:48
got
18:48
interesting
18:49
to
18:49
me
18:49
over
18:50
time
18:51
was,
18:52
as
18:52
you
18:52
said,
18:53
it's
18:53
not
18:53
that
18:53
hard
18:54
to
18:55
be
18:55
in
18:56
an
18:56
open
18:56
and
18:56
settled
18:57
place
18:57
when
18:57
you're
18:57
by
18:58
yourself.
18:59
I
18:59
think
18:59
it's
19:00
a
19:00
lot
19:00
harder
19:01
in
19:01
an
19:01
intimate
19:02
relationship,
19:03
especially
19:03
if
19:03
your
19:04
intimate
19:04
partner
19:05
is
19:06
challenging
19:06
you
19:07
or
19:07
has
19:08
a
19:08
bunch
19:08
of
19:08
needs
19:09
that
19:09
require
19:10
that
19:10
you
19:10
go
19:10
outside
19:11
your
19:11
comfort
19:11
zone
19:11
or
19:12
all
19:12
kinds
19:12
of
19:12
things.
19:13
And
19:14
it's
19:14
really
19:14
hard
19:15
when
19:15
you're
19:15
under
19:15
stress
19:16
and
19:17
the
19:17
stress
19:19
of
19:19
working
19:20
with
19:20
groups
19:21
and
19:22
authors
19:23
and
19:23
contracts
19:24
and
19:25
getting
19:25
emails
19:26
that
19:26
have
19:26
to
19:27
do
19:27
with
19:27
legal
19:28
issues
19:28
and
19:28
all
19:29
kinds
19:29
of
19:29
things.
19:30
And
19:30
I,
19:30
as
19:31
a
19:31
person,
19:32
have
19:33
wanted
19:33
to
19:33
challenge
19:35
myself.
19:36
How
19:36
much
19:37
stress
19:37
can
19:37
I
19:38
take?
19:39
Can
19:40
I
19:40
take
19:40
it?
19:41
Like,
19:41
that's
19:42
the
19:42
way
19:42
that
19:43
it
19:43
will
19:43
be
19:43
an
19:44
evolutionary
19:44
driver
19:46
for
19:46
me
19:47
is
19:47
to
19:48
find
19:48
those
19:48
edges
19:49
and
19:49
grow
19:50
with
19:50
them.
19:50
And
19:51
so
19:51
business
19:51
has
19:51
been
19:52
an
19:52
incredible
19:53
crucible
19:54
because
19:54
it
19:54
is
19:55
so
19:55
stressful.
19:56
And,
19:57
you
19:58
know,
19:58
I
19:58
found
19:59
actually
20:00
times
20:00
when
20:00
I
20:01
am
20:01
outside
20:02
of
20:02
my
20:03
ability
20:03
to
20:03
navigate
20:04
successfully,
20:05
like,
20:05
wow,
20:05
I'm
20:05
losing
20:06
it.
20:06
I'm
20:06
losing
20:07
it.
20:07
Like,
20:07
this
20:07
is
20:07
too
20:08
much.
20:08
This
20:08
is
20:08
too
20:09
much
20:09
pressure
20:09
on
20:10
me.
20:10
And
20:11
that's
20:11
also
20:12
interesting
20:13
because
20:13
then
20:13
it's.
20:14
How
20:14
do
20:14
you
20:14
navigate
20:14
that?
20:15
You
20:15
know,
20:16
it's
20:16
disconnecting
20:17
from
20:17
the
20:17
situation.
20:18
I
20:18
need
20:18
some
20:19
time
20:19
to
20:19
think
20:19
about
20:19
this.
20:20
I
20:20
need
20:20
to
20:21
regain
20:21
my
20:21
composure.
20:22
So
20:23
I
20:23
guess
20:23
in
20:23
answer
20:23
to
20:23
your
20:24
question,
20:24
I
20:24
see
20:25
it
20:25
as
20:26
tremendous.
20:27
It's
20:28
not
20:28
just
20:28
a
20:28
training
20:29
ground,
20:29
because
20:30
what
20:30
am
20:30
I
20:30
training
20:31
for?
20:31
It
20:31
is
20:32
a
20:32
ground
20:32
of
20:32
Growth,
20:34
it's
20:34
where
20:35
it's
20:35
all
20:35
happening.
20:36
The
20:36
challenge,
20:37
the
20:38
failure,
20:39
the
20:40
apology,
20:41
the
20:41
regrouping,
20:42
the
20:43
starting
20:43
again,
20:44
being
20:45
at
20:45
a
20:45
bigger
20:46
level
20:46
of
20:47
capacity
20:47
as
20:48
a
20:48
result
20:48
of
20:48
that.
20:49
And
20:49
then
20:49
again
20:49
and
20:49
again
20:50
and
20:50
again.
20:50
Rinse,
20:51
wash,
20:51
repeat.
20:53
My
20:54
intuitive
20:55
understanding
20:56
of
20:56
you,
20:56
Tammy,
20:57
is
20:57
that
20:57
you're
20:57
eight
20:57
on
20:57
the
20:58
Enneagram.
20:58
I
20:58
don't
20:59
know
20:59
if
20:59
that's
20:59
true
20:59
or
20:59
not.
21:00
That's
21:00
correct,
21:00
John.
21:01
Okay,
21:02
well,
21:03
I've
21:03
been,
21:03
I'm
21:04
a
21:04
six,
21:04
so,
21:04
man,
21:04
I
21:05
butt
21:05
ahead
21:05
eights
21:06
for
21:06
a
21:07
lot
21:07
of
21:07
my
21:07
adult
21:07
life,
21:08
but
21:08
I've
21:08
just
21:08
been
21:09
running
21:09
into
21:09
healthy
21:10
eights
21:10
now.
21:11
God's
21:11
shown
21:11
me
21:11
the
21:11
other
21:11
side
21:12
of
21:12
that.
21:12
And
21:13
you
21:13
guys
21:14
bring,
21:14
I
21:14
mean,
21:14
you
21:15
know,
21:15
once
21:15
you
21:15
have
21:15
the
21:15
open
21:16
heart
21:16
and
21:16
you've
21:16
done
21:16
your
21:17
work,
21:17
I
21:17
mean,
21:18
like
21:18
Martin
21:18
Luther
21:19
King
21:19
Jr.
21:19
He
21:19
was
21:20
an
21:20
8.
21:20
At
21:21
least
21:21
that's
21:21
what
21:21
they
21:21
said.
21:22
That
21:22
you
21:22
have
21:22
the
21:22
capacity
21:23
and
21:23
the
21:23
strength
21:23
to
21:23
change
21:24
the
21:24
world.
21:24
So
21:25
you're
21:25
a
21:25
very
21:26
powerful
21:26
person
21:27
and
21:27
you
21:28
have
21:28
that
21:28
big
21:28
open
21:29
heart.
21:29
And
21:29
that
21:29
didn't
21:30
just.
21:30
You
21:30
weren't
21:31
sitting
21:31
on
21:31
the
21:31
park
21:31
bench.
21:32
Right.
21:32
You
21:33
know,
21:33
you
21:33
got
21:33
opened
21:33
up.
21:33
You've
21:34
done
21:34
a
21:35
lot
21:35
of
21:35
practice
21:36
over
21:36
the
21:36
years
21:36
at
21:37
the
21:37
same
21:37
time
21:38
holding
21:38
together
21:39
this
21:39
organization
21:40
and
21:40
pioneering
21:41
something
21:42
that
21:42
was.
21:43
I
21:43
don't
21:43
know
21:43
if
21:44
you
21:44
have
21:44
anybody
21:44
that's
21:45
rivaling
21:45
you
21:45
yet
21:46
trying
21:46
to
21:46
do
21:46
the
21:46
same
21:47
thing,
21:47
but
21:47
it's
21:47
quite
21:47
a
21:48
incredible
21:49
leadership
21:50
achievement
21:51
that
21:51
you
21:51
did
21:51
by
21:51
all
21:52
that.
21:52
I
21:52
just
21:52
want
21:52
to
21:52
honor
21:53
that
21:53
and
21:53
the
21:54
strength
21:54
and
21:54
the
21:54
clarity
21:55
you
21:55
bring
21:55
with
21:55
you
21:56
as
21:56
a
21:56
healthy
21:57
eight,
21:57
at
21:57
least.
21:57
You
21:57
seem
21:57
pretty
21:58
healthy
21:58
to
21:58
me.
22:00
Well,
22:00
thank
22:00
you
22:00
for
22:01
the
22:01
compliment.
22:01
And
22:02
it's
22:03
a
22:03
journey.
22:03
It's
22:03
a
22:04
never
22:04
ending
22:05
journey.
22:06
So
22:06
I
22:07
emphasize
22:07
that
22:08
because
22:08
it's
22:08
not
22:09
like
22:09
I
22:09
don't
22:09
think
22:09
healthy
22:10
is
22:10
some
22:11
destination
22:12
where
22:12
I
22:12
can
22:12
check
22:12
the
22:13
box.
22:13
It's
22:14
ever
22:15
becoming
22:16
more
22:16
healthy.
22:17
And
22:17
I
22:18
honor
22:18
that.
22:19
You
22:19
honored
22:19
my
22:20
heart.
22:20
And
22:21
one
22:21
of
22:21
the
22:21
interesting
22:22
things
22:22
is
22:23
I've
22:23
been
22:23
going
22:24
through
22:25
a
22:25
lot
22:25
of
22:25
heart
22:26
opening
22:27
of
22:27
late
22:28
and
22:28
I
22:29
didn't
22:29
even
22:29
know
22:30
that
22:31
there
22:31
was
22:32
so
22:33
much
22:33
closedness
22:34
to
22:34
open
22:35
more.
22:35
I
22:36
didn't
22:36
even
22:36
know
22:36
that.
22:36
I
22:37
didn't
22:37
even
22:37
know
22:37
that.
22:38
But
22:38
there
22:38
is.
22:38
And
22:39
so
22:39
it
22:39
makes
22:39
me
22:40
wonder,
22:40
like,
22:40
what
22:40
are
22:41
greater
22:42
actual
22:43
levels
22:43
of
22:44
health
22:44
or
22:44
opportunities
22:45
for
22:46
even
22:46
further
22:46
health
22:46
that
22:47
I
22:47
don't
22:47
even
22:47
know
22:47
about
22:48
today?
22:49
Whoa.
22:49
More
22:50
heart
22:50
opening
22:50
that
22:50
I
22:51
don't
22:51
even
22:51
know
22:51
about?
22:51
That's
22:52
so
22:52
interesting
22:53
to
22:53
me.
22:53
Not
22:54
a
22:54
lot
22:54
of
22:54
things
22:54
I'm
22:54
willing
22:55
to
22:55
bet
22:55
on
22:55
in
22:55
this
22:56
game,
22:56
but
22:56
one
22:56
of
22:56
them
22:56
is
22:57
it's
22:57
a
22:58
lot
22:58
bigger
22:58
than
22:58
anything,
22:59
I
22:59
imagine.
23:00
Exactly.
23:01
Yeah.
23:02
And
23:03
Tamiyo,
23:04
when
23:05
you're
23:05
really
23:06
doing
23:06
karma
23:07
yoga,
23:07
it
23:07
seems
23:08
like,
23:08
you
23:08
know,
23:09
you're
23:09
really
23:09
doing,
23:09
using
23:10
your
23:10
work
23:10
and
23:10
action
23:11
and
23:11
service
23:11
in
23:12
the
23:12
world
23:12
as
23:12
the
23:12
focus
23:13
of
23:13
your
23:13
practice.
23:14
And
23:14
it
23:14
just
23:15
seems
23:15
that
23:15
this
23:15
is
23:16
a
23:16
beautiful
23:16
example
23:17
of
23:17
karma
23:18
yoga
23:18
in
23:18
our
23:18
times.
23:20
Yes,
23:20
I
23:21
would
23:21
say
23:21
that's
23:22
true.
23:22
And
23:22
I
23:22
think
23:23
for
23:23
each
23:23
one
23:23
of
23:24
us,
23:24
wherever
23:25
we
23:25
find
23:26
ourselves
23:26
in
23:27
our
23:27
life,
23:28
that
23:28
is
23:28
our
23:29
quote,
23:29
unquote
23:30
practice
23:31
for
23:31
each
23:31
one
23:32
of
23:32
us.
23:32
And
23:32
I
23:33
found
23:33
myself
23:34
in
23:35
business
23:39
really
23:39
for
23:39
the
23:41
entrepreneurial
23:42
joy
23:42
of
23:42
it.
23:43
And
23:43
I
23:43
was
23:43
interviewing
23:44
a
23:44
woman
23:45
just
23:46
two
23:46
days
23:46
ago,
23:46
her
23:47
name's
23:47
Melissa
23:47
Bernstein,
23:48
as
23:49
part
23:49
of
23:49
Sounds
23:49
True's
23:50
Inner
23:50
MBA
23:51
program,
23:51
which
23:51
is
23:51
where
23:52
we
23:52
help
23:53
people
23:53
develop
23:54
the
23:54
inner
23:55
skills
23:55
that
23:56
will
23:56
lead
23:56
to
23:56
greater
23:57
success
23:57
in
23:57
business.
23:58
And
23:58
she
23:58
started
23:59
a
23:59
toy
23:59
company
24:00
called
24:00
Melissa
24:01
and
24:01
Doug,
24:02
which
24:02
grew
24:02
to
24:02
be
24:03
north
24:03
of
24:03
a
24:03
billion
24:04
dollars
24:04
in
24:04
terms
24:04
of
24:05
its
24:05
worth,
24:05
and
24:06
is
24:06
now
24:06
running
24:06
another
24:07
company
24:07
on
24:08
sensory
24:09
immersion
24:10
gifts
24:11
like
24:12
Pension
24:12
that
24:13
give
24:13
off
24:13
a
24:14
healing
24:14
aroma
24:15
when
24:15
you
24:15
work
24:15
with
24:15
them.
24:16
So,
24:16
anyway,
24:16
she's
24:16
a
24:16
very,
24:17
very,
24:17
very
24:17
creative
24:18
person.
24:18
And
24:19
she
24:19
was
24:19
talking
24:19
about
24:20
how
24:21
for
24:21
her
24:22
entrepreneurial
24:24
endeavors
24:25
have
24:25
been
24:26
her
24:26
way
24:26
of
24:27
connecting
24:28
actually
24:28
with
24:29
other
24:29
people,
24:29
giving
24:30
her
24:30
gifts
24:31
to
24:31
other
24:31
people,
24:32
expressing
24:32
her
24:33
deep
24:33
sense
24:33
of
24:33
love
24:34
and
24:34
service
24:35
for
24:35
other
24:36
people,
24:36
the
24:37
people
24:37
who
24:37
will
24:37
enjoy
24:38
the
24:38
products
24:39
she's
24:39
making.
24:40
And
24:40
I
24:40
think
24:41
early
24:41
in
24:41
my
24:42
life
24:42
I
24:42
had
24:42
this
24:43
sense,
24:43
this
24:43
incredible
24:45
inner
24:45
urge
24:46
to
24:46
be
24:46
of
24:46
benefit
24:47
and
24:47
help
24:48
people.
24:48
But
24:49
I
24:49
also
24:49
had
24:49
the
24:49
feeling
24:50
that
24:50
I
24:51
would
24:51
be
24:51
best
24:52
at
24:52
it
24:52
if
24:52
I
24:53
did
24:53
it
24:53
from
24:53
a
24:54
distance.
24:55
And
24:55
maybe
24:55
that
24:55
tells
24:55
you
24:56
something
24:56
about
24:56
my
24:57
own
24:58
early
24:58
life
24:59
and
25:00
attachment,
25:01
wounding
25:01
and
25:02
all
25:02
of
25:02
the
25:02
rest.
25:03
And
25:03
this
25:04
discovery
25:05
of
25:05
meditation,
25:06
which
25:06
was
25:06
so
25:06
important
25:07
to
25:07
me,
25:07
and
25:07
I
25:07
was
25:08
like,
25:08
God,
25:08
you
25:08
know,
25:09
I
25:09
want
25:09
to
25:09
communicate
25:10
and
25:10
help
25:10
other
25:11
people.
25:11
I
25:11
love
25:12
the
25:12
radio.
25:12
I
25:13
started
25:13
in
25:13
radio
25:14
because
25:14
this
25:15
is
25:15
such
25:15
a
25:15
terrific
25:15
medium.
25:16
It's
25:16
like
25:16
I
25:17
can
25:17
be
25:17
alone
25:17
in
25:18
a
25:18
dark
25:18
closet
25:19
with
25:19
a
25:19
microphone
25:20
and
25:20
help
25:21
others.
25:22
This
25:22
is
25:22
a
25:22
miracle
25:23
to
25:23
me.
25:24
But
25:24
it
25:24
was
25:25
this
25:25
connection
25:25
with
25:26
others
25:26
that
25:26
I'm
25:26
trying
25:27
to
25:28
emphasize
25:29
that
25:29
I
25:30
think
25:30
fuels
25:31
an
25:32
inspired
25:32
entrepreneur,
25:34
at
25:34
least
25:34
in
25:34
my
25:34
case,
25:35
that
25:35
it's
25:35
this
25:35
expression
25:37
of
25:37
love
25:37
for
25:38
people
25:38
and
25:39
giving
25:39
them
25:39
a
25:40
gift
25:40
that
25:40
you
25:40
can
25:41
give.
25:41
And
25:41
then
25:42
all
25:42
the
25:42
business
25:42
shenanigans
25:43
just.
25:43
Support
25:44
that
25:44
terrific,
25:45
wonderful
25:45
attitude.
25:46
Yeah,
25:46
very
25:46
inspiring.
25:47
The
25:47
underlying
25:48
ideal
25:49
of
25:50
service
25:51
feels
25:52
like
25:52
it
25:52
both
25:53
animates
25:53
and
25:53
inspires
25:54
and
25:55
guides
25:56
you
25:56
in
25:56
the
25:57
direction
25:57
of,
25:58
you
25:58
know,
25:58
how
25:58
best
25:58
to
25:58
do
25:59
that.
25:59
And
26:00
as
26:00
for
26:00
all
26:00
of
26:00
us,
26:01
ideally,
26:01
it
26:01
makes
26:02
use.
26:02
Service
26:04
ideals
26:04
make
26:05
use
26:05
of
26:05
all
26:06
of
26:06
us,
26:06
including
26:06
our
26:07
wounding
26:07
and
26:08
our
26:08
pain
26:08
and
26:08
so
26:09
forth.
26:09
And
26:10
it's
26:10
a
26:10
beautiful
26:10
way
26:10
in
26:11
which
26:11
our
26:11
pain
26:12
and
26:12
limitations
26:13
can
26:13
become,
26:14
ideally,
26:15
anyway,
26:16
both
26:16
the
26:17
fodder
26:17
for
26:17
our
26:18
own
26:18
growth
26:19
and
26:19
also
26:20
the
26:22
ways
26:22
which
26:23
channel
26:23
or
26:24
direct
26:25
our
26:26
contribution.
26:26
It
26:26
sounds
26:27
like
26:27
you're
26:27
giving
26:27
a
26:28
beautiful
26:28
example
26:28
of
26:29
that.
26:29
And
26:30
I
26:30
do
26:30
think
26:30
this
26:31
notion
26:31
of
26:32
being
26:32
of
26:33
service,
26:34
it's
26:34
a
26:35
direct
26:35
outpouring
26:37
of
26:37
our
26:38
hearts,
26:39
it's
26:39
directly
26:40
right.
26:40
Inherent
26:41
in
26:41
the
26:42
energy
26:43
of
26:43
the
26:43
human
26:44
heart.
26:44
That
26:45
this
26:46
is
26:46
my
26:46
experience,
26:46
at
26:47
least
26:47
at
26:47
an
26:47
energetic
26:48
level,
26:49
that
26:49
my
26:49
heart
26:50
pours
26:50
through
26:51
my
26:51
arms
26:52
and
26:52
my
26:52
hands
26:53
and
26:53
wants
26:53
to
26:54
make.
26:55
This
26:56
is
26:57
like
26:57
the
26:57
karma
26:57
action
26:58
part,
26:59
is
26:59
that
27:00
the
27:00
energy
27:00
of
27:01
this
27:02
alive
27:03
sort
27:03
of
27:03
heart
27:03
fire
27:04
then
27:04
streams
27:05
out
27:05
and
27:06
says,
27:06
write
27:06
something,
27:07
call
27:07
someone,
27:08
do
27:08
the
27:08
dishes,
27:09
make
27:10
something.
27:11
Put
27:11
your
27:11
hand
27:12
on
27:13
your
27:13
wife's
27:13
shoulder,
27:14
pick
27:15
up
27:15
the
27:15
phone.
27:15
I
27:15
mean,
27:16
it's
27:16
a
27:16
maker
27:17
energy.
27:18
And
27:19
it's
27:19
that
27:20
making
27:20
out
27:21
of
27:21
love
27:21
and
27:22
care
27:22
for
27:22
our
27:22
environment
27:23
and
27:23
the
27:24
people
27:24
in
27:24
our
27:24
environment.
27:25
And
27:25
then
27:25
that
27:26
just
27:26
keeps
27:26
going.
27:26
Our
27:26
society,
27:27
our
27:27
world.
27:28
Yeah.
27:29
I
27:29
wrote
27:29
a
27:29
book,
27:30
Essential
27:31
Spirituality,
27:31
the
27:31
seven
27:32
Central
27:32
Practices.
27:33
And
27:33
one
27:34
of
27:34
the
27:34
things
27:34
that
27:34
really
27:35
struck
27:35
me
27:35
as
27:35
I
27:35
spent
27:36
three
27:36
years
27:36
researching,
27:37
looking
27:37
across
27:38
different
27:38
traditions,
27:39
what
27:39
are
27:39
the
27:40
core
27:41
qualities
27:42
and
27:42
capacities
27:43
that
27:43
the
27:43
greater
27:44
sages
27:44
have
27:44
said
27:44
are
27:45
really
27:45
essential
27:46
to
27:46
live
27:46
a
27:46
full
27:47
human
27:47
life
27:47
and
27:48
be
27:48
of
27:48
most
27:49
effect?
27:49
And
27:49
what
27:50
really
27:50
struck
27:50
me,
27:50
among
27:51
other
27:51
things,
27:51
was
27:51
that
27:52
service
27:53
was
27:53
universally
27:54
across
27:54
every
27:55
tradition,
27:55
recommended
27:56
as
27:56
both
27:56
a
27:56
practice
27:57
and
27:58
the
27:58
culmination
27:59
of
27:59
practice.
28:01
And
28:01
that
28:02
service
28:03
can
28:04
be
28:05
both
28:05
the
28:05
fuel
28:06
and
28:06
the
28:06
inspiration
28:07
and
28:07
the
28:08
content
28:08
of
28:09
an
28:09
inspired
28:10
life.
28:11
A
28:11
karma
28:11
yogic
28:12
life
28:12
which
28:12
is
28:12
oriented
28:13
towards
28:13
using
28:14
work
28:15
and
28:15
service
28:15
for
28:15
one's
28:16
own
28:16
spiritual
28:16
awakening
28:17
and
28:17
contribution
28:18
and
28:18
awakening
28:18
of
28:19
all
28:19
sorts.
28:19
It
28:20
just
28:20
feels
28:20
beautiful.
28:21
You're
28:21
giving
28:22
a
28:22
beautiful
28:22
example
28:23
of
28:23
that.
28:24
I've
28:24
also
28:24
helped
28:24
Roger's
28:25
sales
28:26
on
28:26
that
28:26
book
28:26
too.
28:27
I've
28:27
given
28:27
that
28:27
one
28:27
away
28:28
many,
28:28
many
28:28
times.
28:29
Bless
28:29
you,
28:29
John.
28:30
And
28:30
I
28:30
think
28:30
I
28:30
was
28:31
emphasizing
28:32
the
28:33
energy,
28:34
the
28:34
feeling,
28:35
the
28:36
fuel
28:36
of
28:36
the
28:37
heart
28:38
in
28:38
that.
28:39
Because
28:39
sometimes
28:39
people
28:40
hear
28:40
a
28:40
word
28:40
like
28:41
service
28:41
and
28:41
they
28:42
become
28:43
kind
28:43
of.
28:43
There's
28:43
like
28:44
a.
28:44
There
28:44
can
28:44
be
28:45
a
28:45
kind
28:45
of
28:45
do
28:45
gooder
28:46
interpretation
28:47
where
28:48
instead
28:48
of
28:48
it
28:49
being
28:49
actually
28:50
animated
28:51
by
28:51
that
28:51
feeling,
28:52
they're
28:52
so,
28:52
you
28:52
know,
28:53
running
28:53
around
28:53
and
28:53
doing.
28:54
Not
28:54
that
28:54
there's
28:54
anything
28:55
wrong
28:55
with
28:55
it.
28:55
I
28:55
mean,
28:56
it's
28:57
okay.
28:58
But
28:58
I
28:58
don't
28:58
think
28:58
it
28:59
has
28:59
the
28:59
same
29:00
quality
29:01
of
29:02
connectivity
29:02
because
29:03
you
29:03
may
29:03
or
29:03
may
29:04
not
29:04
be
29:04
attuning
29:05
really
29:06
to
29:06
both
29:07
what
29:07
you
29:07
need,
29:08
which
29:08
is
29:09
important
29:09
as
29:09
well,
29:10
because
29:10
you're
29:10
part
29:11
of
29:11
the
29:11
equation
29:12
as
29:12
well
29:13
as
29:13
genuinely
29:14
what's
29:14
needed
29:14
in
29:14
the
29:15
situation.
29:16
Yeah.
29:17
And
29:18
at
29:18
its
29:18
most
29:18
problematic,
29:19
at
29:20
one
29:20
problematic
29:21
form
29:21
is
29:21
when
29:22
it
29:22
becomes
29:22
a
29:22
should
29:23
and
29:23
kind
29:23
of
29:24
a
29:24
superego
29:24
compulsion.
29:25
Yeah,
29:26
exactly.
29:27
Rather
29:27
than
29:27
a
29:27
trans
29:28
egoic
29:29
compassion
29:29
orientation.
29:30
Exactly.
29:31
So
29:31
that's
29:31
Why
29:31
I
29:31
wanted
29:31
to
29:32
emphasize
29:32
it
29:32
because
29:32
I
29:32
think
29:33
sometimes
29:33
think
29:33
of
29:33
services
29:34
in
29:35
the
29:35
way
29:35
you
29:35
just
29:35
described.
29:36
So.
29:36
Yeah,
29:37
well,
29:37
yeah,
29:38
I
29:38
get
29:38
pretty
29:38
heady,
29:39
but
29:39
that's.
29:40
That's
29:40
me.
29:41
But
29:41
yeah,
29:42
the
29:42
beauty
29:42
of
29:43
that
29:43
kind
29:43
of
29:44
eye,
29:44
probably
29:45
everyone
29:45
can
29:45
feel
29:46
the
29:46
animation
29:47
the
29:47
heart
29:48
sent,
29:48
the
29:48
joy
29:49
that
29:49
animates
29:50
as
29:50
you
29:51
talk
29:51
about
29:51
your
29:52
work
29:52
and
29:52
your
29:52
service.
29:53
Yeah.
29:54
And
29:54
it
29:54
must
29:54
bring,
29:55
at
29:55
least
29:55
I
29:55
sense
29:55
off
29:56
you,
29:56
a
29:57
lot
29:57
of
29:57
integrity.
29:58
And
29:59
evolved
29:59
eights
30:00
just
30:00
cannot
30:01
deal
30:01
with
30:01
bullshit
30:01
very
30:02
well.
30:02
They
30:03
just
30:03
have
30:04
that
30:04
sword
30:04
that
30:05
discriminates.
30:06
And
30:06
I
30:06
was
30:07
going
30:07
to
30:07
ask
30:07
you,
30:07
I
30:08
mean,
30:08
you've
30:08
done
30:08
so
30:08
many
30:09
amazing
30:10
products
30:11
over
30:11
the
30:12
decades,
30:12
but
30:13
did
30:13
you
30:13
ever
30:13
get
30:13
in
30:13
a
30:13
situation,
30:14
you
30:14
don't
30:14
have
30:14
to
30:15
name
30:15
names,
30:15
that
30:16
you
30:16
were
30:16
with
30:16
somebody
30:17
you
30:17
were
30:17
interviewing,
30:18
and
30:18
you
30:19
were
30:19
just
30:19
like,
30:20
this
30:20
is
30:20
not
30:21
working.
30:22
I
30:22
can't
30:22
continue
30:23
with
30:23
this.
30:23
Or
30:23
have
30:23
you
30:23
been
30:23
able
30:24
pretty
30:24
much
30:24
to.
30:25
Has
30:25
that
30:25
ever
30:25
happened?
30:26
Yeah,
30:26
it
30:26
has.
30:27
But
30:27
first
30:27
of
30:28
all.
30:28
And
30:28
I'll
30:28
talk
30:28
about
30:28
that.
30:29
But
30:29
first
30:29
of
30:29
all,
30:29
just
30:30
to
30:30
say
30:30
something
30:30
about
30:31
integrity.
30:33
It's
30:33
a
30:34
important
30:34
idea
30:35
to
30:35
me.
30:35
And
30:35
it
30:36
also
30:36
has
30:37
a
30:37
correlate
30:38
in
30:39
a
30:39
somatic
30:39
sense.
30:40
Just
30:40
like
30:40
service
30:40
to
30:41
me
30:41
is
30:41
rooted
30:41
in
30:42
the
30:42
heart,
30:42
integrity
30:43
to
30:43
me
30:44
is
30:44
rooted
30:45
in
30:45
the
30:45
central
30:45
channel
30:46
in
30:46
the
30:46
body.
30:47
It's
30:47
that
30:48
line
30:48
of
30:49
energy.
30:50
You
30:50
could
30:51
call
30:51
it
30:51
that
30:51
sense
30:52
of
30:52
shakti,
30:53
energy
30:53
in
30:53
the
30:54
body
30:54
that
30:54
you
30:54
can
30:55
feel
30:55
flowing
30:56
like
30:56
a
30:56
river
30:56
in
30:57
front
30:57
of
30:57
your
30:57
spine.
30:58
And
30:58
I
30:58
bring
30:58
that
30:58
up
30:59
because
30:59
for
30:59
me,
31:00
integrity
31:01
is
31:02
a
31:02
grace
31:03
field,
31:04
if
31:05
you
31:05
will,
31:06
that
31:06
I
31:07
can
31:07
operate
31:08
successfully
31:09
within.
31:10
And
31:11
without
31:11
it,
31:12
I
31:13
have
31:13
no
31:13
idea.
31:13
I
31:14
could
31:14
walk
31:14
out
31:14
and
31:14
get
31:14
hit
31:14
by
31:15
a
31:15
car
31:15
or
31:15
something.
31:15
I
31:16
mean,
31:16
I
31:16
could
31:16
get
31:16
hit
31:16
by
31:16
a
31:16
car
31:17
even
31:17
with
31:17
the
31:17
grace
31:17
field.
31:18
But
31:18
what
31:18
I'm
31:18
trying
31:18
to
31:18
say
31:19
is
31:19
I
31:20
just
31:20
feel
31:20
like
31:21
random
31:21
odds
31:21
of
31:22
who
31:22
knows
31:22
what.
31:22
I
31:22
don't
31:23
feel
31:24
that
31:24
sense
31:25
of
31:26
guidance
31:27
and
31:28
support
31:29
that
31:29
I
31:30
feel
31:30
when
31:31
I'm
31:31
in
31:31
my
31:32
own
31:32
integrity
31:33
to
31:33
begin
31:34
with.
31:34
And
31:34
I'm
31:35
bringing
31:35
that
31:35
up
31:35
because
31:36
there
31:36
are
31:36
so
31:36
many
31:36
things
31:37
that
31:37
can
31:37
throw
31:37
us
31:38
off
31:38
of
31:39
our
31:39
own
31:39
integrity
31:40
that
31:40
throw
31:40
me
31:41
off
31:41
of
31:41
my
31:42
own
31:42
integrity.
31:43
And
31:44
I
31:44
have
31:44
to
31:44
be
31:46
so
31:46
vigilant
31:47
about
31:47
that
31:48
because
31:48
without
31:49
it,
31:49
I'm
31:49
lost.
31:50
That's
31:50
for
31:51
me
31:51
as
31:51
a
31:51
person.
31:52
Without
31:52
it,
31:52
I'm
31:52
lost.
31:53
And
31:54
Roger,
31:54
you're
31:54
going
31:54
to
31:54
say
31:55
something
31:55
here.
31:56
Yes.
31:56
I
31:57
was
31:57
wanting
31:57
to
31:58
know
31:59
if,
31:59
for
31:59
you,
32:00
that
32:00
experience
32:00
of
32:01
integrity
32:02
acts
32:02
in
32:03
a
32:03
couple
32:03
of
32:03
ways.
32:03
One,
32:04
if
32:04
it
32:04
gives
32:05
you
32:05
a
32:05
kind
32:05
of
32:06
strength
32:06
and
32:06
power,
32:07
know
32:07
you're
32:07
operating
32:08
out
32:08
of
32:08
it.
32:08
And
32:08
second,
32:09
if
32:09
it
32:09
operates
32:10
like
32:10
a
32:10
kind
32:11
of
32:11
honing
32:12
radar
32:13
for
32:13
you
32:13
both.
32:14
And
32:15
as
32:15
I
32:15
said,
32:15
without
32:15
it,
32:16
I'm
32:16
basically
32:17
F
32:17
U
32:18
C
32:18
K
32:18
E
32:18
D.
32:19
That's
32:19
what
32:19
I'm
32:20
trying
32:20
to
32:20
say.
32:21
My
32:21
sense
32:21
of
32:22
rock
32:23
and
32:23
compass
32:25
and
32:26
collaboration
32:27
with
32:28
the
32:28
universe.
32:29
And
32:29
that's
32:30
why
32:30
using
32:30
a
32:30
word
32:31
like
32:31
grace
32:31
field.
32:32
So
32:32
to
32:32
me,
32:32
it's
32:33
critical.
32:34
It's
32:35
critical.
32:36
And
32:36
then
32:36
we
32:36
get
32:37
into.
32:38
So
32:38
that's
32:38
my
32:38
own
32:39
kind
32:39
of
32:39
work
32:39
with
32:39
myself.
32:41
I
32:41
think
32:41
I'm
32:42
trying
32:42
to
32:42
emphasize
32:43
it's
32:43
not
32:43
easy.
32:44
It's
32:44
a
32:45
return
32:45
again
32:46
and
32:47
again
32:48
to
32:48
it
32:48
if
32:48
I
32:48
feel
32:49
off
32:49
for
32:50
some
32:50
reason.
32:51
And
32:51
what
32:51
kinds
32:51
of
32:51
things
32:52
could
32:52
be
32:52
off?
32:52
It
32:52
could
32:53
be
32:53
saying
32:54
something
32:55
that
32:55
I
32:55
regret
32:56
or
32:56
maybe
32:56
I
32:57
exaggerated
32:57
or
32:58
something,
32:58
which
32:58
is
32:58
something
32:59
historically
32:59
I've
32:59
been
33:00
known
33:00
to
33:00
do.
33:00
Okay,
33:01
Tammy,
33:01
you
33:02
exaggerated.
33:03
What
33:03
are
33:03
you
33:03
going
33:03
to
33:03
do?
33:03
Are
33:03
you
33:04
going
33:04
to
33:04
go
33:04
back
33:04
and
33:04
correct
33:05
that?
33:05
I
33:05
might
33:05
have
33:05
to
33:06
actually.
33:07
I
33:07
might
33:07
have
33:07
to
33:07
go
33:07
back
33:08
and
33:08
correct
33:08
it,
33:08
call
33:09
the
33:09
person
33:09
up
33:10
and
33:10
say,
33:10
you
33:11
know,
33:11
I
33:11
said
33:11
that,
33:11
but
33:12
I
33:12
actually
33:12
over
33:13
inflated,
33:13
you
33:14
know,
33:14
that
33:14
number.
33:14
It's
33:15
not
33:15
really
33:16
north
33:16
of
33:16
7,000.
33:17
It's
33:18
just
33:18
shy
33:18
of
33:18
7,000
33:19
or
33:20
something
33:20
like
33:20
that.
33:20
Like,
33:21
there
33:21
are
33:21
things.
33:21
That's
33:22
not
33:22
an
33:22
actual
33:22
example.
33:23
I'm
33:23
just
33:25
saying
33:25
that
33:25
as
33:25
a
33:26
person,
33:26
I
33:27
have
33:27
to
33:27
always
33:27
return
33:28
to
33:28
that.
33:28
An
33:29
apology,
33:30
confession.
33:32
Those
33:32
are
33:32
ways
33:33
that
33:33
that
33:33
happens,
33:34
and
33:34
that's
33:34
critical
33:35
for
33:35
me.
33:35
Now
33:36
we
33:36
have
33:36
interactions
33:36
with
33:37
other
33:37
people,
33:37
and
33:38
there
33:38
are
33:38
moments
33:39
when
33:39
I'll
33:39
be.
33:41
It's
33:41
not
33:41
even
33:41
really
33:42
sometimes
33:42
an
33:43
ethical
33:43
issue,
33:43
but
33:44
often
33:44
it's
33:44
just
33:44
like,
33:44
wow,
33:45
this
33:45
project
33:45
isn't
33:45
working.
33:46
Like,
33:46
I
33:47
don't
33:47
know
33:47
if
33:47
you've
33:47
ever
33:47
had
33:47
this
33:47
in
33:48
some
33:48
of
33:48
the
33:48
podcasts
33:49
you've
33:49
done,
33:49
but
33:49
it's
33:49
like,
33:49
it's
33:50
not
33:50
working.
33:50
This
33:50
is
33:50
not
33:50
very
33:51
good.
33:51
I
33:51
don't
33:52
know
33:52
if
33:52
this
33:52
is
33:52
going
33:52
to
33:52
be
33:53
a
33:53
good
33:53
way
33:53
for
33:53
someone
33:53
to
33:54
spend
33:54
90
33:55
minutes
33:55
of
33:55
their
33:55
time.
33:56
Like,
33:56
it's
33:56
not
33:57
going
33:57
anywhere.
33:58
I
33:58
don't
33:58
want
33:58
to
33:58
put
33:58
this
33:59
out.
33:59
I
33:59
don't
33:59
want
34:00
to
34:00
distribute
34:00
it.
34:00
I
34:01
have
34:01
an
34:01
obligation
34:02
to
34:02
my
34:03
listeners
34:03
and
34:04
to
34:04
our
34:04
customers
34:05
that
34:05
every
34:05
single
34:06
thing
34:06
is
34:07
worthy
34:07
of
34:08
their
34:08
time
34:08
and
34:08
energy.
34:09
This
34:09
isn't.
34:10
I'm
34:10
going
34:10
to
34:10
have
34:10
to
34:11
cancel
34:11
the
34:11
project.
34:12
I'm
34:12
going
34:12
to
34:12
have
34:13
to
34:13
hit
34:13
the
34:13
stop
34:13
button
34:13
right
34:14
here
34:14
in
34:14
the
34:14
middle
34:14
of
34:14
the
34:14
conversation
34:15
and
34:15
say,
34:15
this
34:15
isn't
34:16
going
34:16
anywhere.
34:17
And
34:17
I
34:17
do
34:17
that.
34:19
I
34:19
do
34:19
that,
34:20
and
34:21
I
34:21
try
34:21
to
34:22
be
34:22
as
34:22
gracious
34:22
as
34:23
I
34:23
can,
34:24
and
34:24
I
34:25
often
34:25
make
34:26
it
34:26
about
34:27
me
34:27
or
34:27
the
34:27
situation
34:28
because
34:28
it
34:28
might
34:28
be.
34:29
Actually,
34:29
it
34:30
might
34:30
not
34:30
just
34:30
be
34:30
what's
34:31
going
34:31
on
34:31
with
34:31
them.
34:31
Maybe
34:32
that
34:32
I'm
34:32
not
34:32
in
34:32
the
34:32
place
34:33
to
34:33
bring
34:33
out
34:34
their
34:34
best
34:34
right
34:34
now,
34:35
or
34:35
something
34:35
about
34:36
the
34:36
situation
34:36
isn't
34:37
working
34:37
right,
34:37
or
34:38
we
34:38
need
34:38
to
34:39
regroup
34:39
and
34:39
rethink
34:40
this
34:40
and
34:40
do
34:40
it
34:41
again.
34:41
But
34:41
I
34:42
think
34:42
of
34:42
myself
34:42
as
34:43
a
34:43
listener
34:44
advocate
34:45
or
34:45
a
34:45
customer
34:46
advocate,
34:46
and
34:46
I
34:47
always
34:47
have
34:47
them
34:47
in
34:47
my
34:48
mind.
34:48
And
34:49
if
34:49
something
34:49
isn't
34:50
at
34:51
a
34:51
high
34:51
enough
34:51
level,
34:53
then
34:54
we
34:54
shouldn't
34:54
publish
34:54
it.
34:55
We'll
34:55
lose
34:55
our
34:56
brand.
34:56
But
34:56
not
34:56
just
34:57
that.
34:57
It's
34:57
more
34:57
like
34:57
just
34:58
my
34:58
interpersonal
35:00
commitment
35:01
to
35:01
the
35:01
person
35:02
who's
35:03
giving
35:03
us
35:03
their
35:04
time
35:04
or
35:04
making
35:04
the
35:04
purchase.
35:05
Okay.
35:06
And
35:06
then
35:06
there's
35:07
the
35:07
category
35:08
of
35:09
people
35:09
who
35:10
I've
35:11
ended
35:11
up
35:12
working
35:12
with,
35:13
and
35:13
I've
35:14
discovered
35:14
that
35:15
either
35:16
they're
35:16
not
35:17
qualified
35:17
to
35:18
really
35:18
be
35:18
talking
35:18
about
35:18
what
35:19
they're
35:19
talking
35:19
about,
35:20
or
35:20
there's
35:20
something
35:20
unethical
35:21
about
35:22
how
35:22
they're
35:22
going
35:22
about
35:24
their
35:25
work
35:25
as
35:26
a
35:26
teacher,
35:26
and
35:26
we
35:26
have
35:27
to
35:27
cancel
35:27
the
35:27
project.
35:28
And
35:28
that
35:28
has
35:28
happened
35:28
as
35:29
well.
35:30
That's
35:30
one
35:31
of
35:31
the
35:31
best
35:31
things
35:31
you
35:31
could
35:32
say
35:32
about
35:32
your
35:32
company
35:32
right
35:33
there.
35:33
I
35:33
would
35:33
take
35:33
that
35:34
blurb
35:34
and
35:35
put
35:35
it
35:35
everywhere.
35:35
That's
35:36
really,
35:36
really
35:36
so
35:37
important.
35:37
And
35:38
you
35:38
can
35:38
be.
35:39
That
35:39
can
35:39
be
35:39
really
35:39
scary
35:40
to
35:40
people
35:40
who
35:41
are
35:41
trying
35:41
to
35:42
go
35:42
beyond
35:43
what
35:43
they're
35:43
capable
35:44
of,
35:44
or
35:44
there's
35:45
problems
35:45
with
35:45
their
35:46
ethics
35:46
and
35:46
integrity
35:47
to
35:47
be
35:48
with
35:48
a
35:48
person
35:48
that's
35:49
very,
35:49
you
35:49
know,
35:49
working
35:50
on
35:50
theirs
35:50
and.
35:51
But
35:51
very
35:51
powerful
35:51
at
35:52
the
35:52
same
35:52
time
35:53
to
35:53
make
35:53
you
35:53
feel
35:54
very
35:54
safe
35:54
or
35:55
very
35:55
terrified
35:55
or
35:56
maybe
35:56
both
35:56
at
35:56
the
35:56
same
35:57
time.
35:57
I
35:57
had
35:58
a
35:58
mentor,
35:59
a
35:59
friend,
35:59
Wallace
36:00
Black
36:00
Elk,
36:00
if
36:01
you
36:01
remember
36:01
him.
36:01
And.
36:02
And
36:02
I
36:02
would
36:02
pick
36:02
him
36:02
up
36:02
when
36:03
he
36:03
would
36:03
go
36:03
to
36:03
Northern
36:03
California,
36:04
which
36:04
the
36:04
latter
36:05
years
36:05
of
36:05
his
36:05
life
36:05
he
36:05
did.
36:06
And
36:06
I
36:06
was
36:06
really
36:07
f
36:07
U
36:07
K
36:08
ed
36:08
up
36:09
at
36:09
that
36:09
time.
36:09
And
36:10
I'd
36:10
seen
36:10
him
36:10
sit
36:11
down
36:11
with
36:11
people
36:11
that
36:12
come
36:12
for
36:12
counseling.
36:12
Sometimes
36:13
he
36:13
would
36:13
just
36:14
take
36:14
out
36:14
the
36:14
proverbial
36:15
tomahawk,
36:15
the
36:16
spiritual
36:16
tomahawk,
36:16
and
36:17
just
36:17
lay
36:17
these
36:18
people
36:18
out.
36:19
And
36:19
I
36:19
was
36:20
so
36:20
scared
36:21
that
36:21
he
36:21
was
36:21
going
36:21
to
36:21
tear
36:22
into
36:22
me
36:22
because
36:22
I
36:22
knew
36:23
I
36:23
was
36:23
a
36:23
mess.
36:24
And
36:25
I
36:25
never
36:25
had
36:26
anything
36:26
but
36:26
kindness
36:27
for
36:27
him.
36:27
I
36:28
just
36:28
think
36:28
he
36:29
sensed
36:29
out
36:29
how
36:30
struggling
36:31
I
36:31
was
36:31
at
36:31
the
36:31
time.
36:32
And
36:32
you
36:33
kind
36:33
of
36:33
remind
36:33
me
36:33
when
36:34
you
36:34
talk
36:34
about
36:34
that
36:34
energy,
36:35
you
36:35
remind
36:35
me
36:35
of
36:35
Wallace,
36:36
the
36:36
man
36:36
I
36:36
have
36:36
great
36:37
love
36:37
for
36:37
and
36:38
admiration.
36:39
And
36:39
I
36:39
still
36:40
talk
36:40
to
36:40
him
36:40
in
36:40
my
36:40
prayers.
36:41
It's
36:41
a
36:41
great
36:42
gift,
36:43
Tammy.
36:44
I'd
36:44
love
36:44
to
36:45
broaden
36:46
this,
36:46
broaden
36:47
our
36:47
context,
36:48
because
36:49
you
36:49
have
36:50
created,
36:52
as
36:52
we've
36:52
been
36:52
talking
36:53
about,
36:53
a
36:53
very
36:54
successful
36:54
media
36:56
company,
36:56
multimedia,
36:58
and
36:58
you're
36:59
a
36:59
beacon
36:59
in
36:59
that
37:00
world.
37:00
And
37:01
yet,
37:01
if
37:02
we
37:02
look
37:02
around
37:02
the
37:03
world,
37:03
media
37:04
is
37:04
in
37:04
a
37:04
lot
37:04
of
37:04
trouble
37:05
and
37:05
creating
37:05
a
37:06
lot
37:06
of
37:06
trouble.
37:07
And
37:07
I
37:07
have
37:07
said
37:08
on
37:08
a
37:08
number
37:08
of
37:09
occasions
37:09
that
37:09
I
37:09
think
37:10
we're
37:10
going
37:10
to
37:10
make
37:10
it
37:10
as
37:11
a
37:11
Civilization
37:11
or
37:12
not,
37:13
depending
37:13
on
37:13
the
37:13
quality
37:14
of
37:14
our
37:14
media,
37:15
because
37:15
the
37:15
media
37:16
basically
37:17
reveals
37:18
our
37:19
world
37:19
to
37:19
us.
37:19
We
37:20
live
37:20
mediated
37:21
lives
37:22
these
37:22
days
37:23
where
37:23
most
37:24
of
37:24
what
37:24
we
37:24
know
37:25
about
37:25
the
37:25
world
37:26
and
37:26
other
37:26
people
37:27
comes
37:27
through
37:28
screens
37:29
or
37:29
radios
37:30
or
37:30
podcasts
37:31
or
37:31
something.
37:33
So
37:33
this
37:33
is
37:33
what
37:34
really
37:34
determines
37:35
our
37:35
perception
37:36
of
37:36
the
37:37
world
37:37
and
37:37
others,
37:38
et
37:38
cetera.
37:38
And
37:40
there
37:40
is
37:41
so
37:41
much
37:41
that
37:41
is
37:42
so
37:42
problematic
37:43
in
37:43
contemporary
37:44
media,
37:45
particularly
37:46
the
37:46
social
37:46
media
37:47
and
37:47
the
37:47
new
37:47
media.
37:48
And
37:48
we
37:49
have,
37:49
for
37:49
example,
37:49
the
37:49
film,
37:50
the
37:50
Social
37:50
dilemma.
37:51
Now
37:51
we
37:51
have
37:51
the
37:52
film,
37:52
the
37:53
AI
37:53
dilemma
37:54
and
37:54
so
37:54
forth.
37:54
So
37:55
this
37:55
is
37:55
just
37:56
getting.
37:56
Unfortunately,
37:57
as
37:57
a
37:57
technology
37:58
evolves,
37:58
that
37:59
looks
37:59
like
37:59
it
37:59
could
37:59
get
38:00
worse.
38:00
So
38:00
I'm
38:01
throwing
38:01
a
38:01
lot
38:01
out
38:02
there
38:02
and
38:02
I
38:02
just
38:02
invite
38:03
you
38:03
to
38:03
respond.
38:05
Well,
38:05
firstly,
38:06
Roger,
38:06
I
38:06
feel
38:06
moved
38:07
by
38:07
the
38:07
question,
38:08
so
38:09
thank
38:09
you.
38:09
And
38:09
I
38:10
feel
38:10
moved
38:10
by
38:10
the
38:11
question
38:11
because,
38:12
you
38:13
know,
38:13
you
38:13
asked
38:14
me
38:14
what
38:14
animates
38:15
me
38:15
at
38:15
the
38:15
beginning
38:16
of
38:16
our
38:16
call,
38:17
you
38:17
didn't
38:17
use
38:17
that
38:17
word.
38:18
But
38:18
what's
38:18
the
38:18
core
38:19
mission
38:20
or
38:20
drive
38:20
or
38:20
purpose?
38:22
And
38:23
sometimes
38:23
I
38:24
question
38:24
like
38:25
Tammy,
38:27
what
38:27
you
38:27
care
38:27
the
38:28
most
38:28
about
38:28
is
38:29
global
38:31
spiritual
38:32
media,
38:34
worldwide,
38:35
in
38:35
every
38:35
language,
38:36
introducing
38:37
people,
38:37
if
38:38
possible,
38:39
to
38:39
the
38:39
depth
38:40
of
38:41
awakening
38:42
and
38:42
what's
38:42
possible
38:43
for
38:43
us
38:44
in
38:44
our
38:45
spiritual
38:45
journey
38:47
with
38:47
all
38:47
of
38:48
its
38:48
complexity
38:49
and
38:49
nuance.
38:50
This
38:50
is
38:50
what
38:50
you
38:51
care
38:51
the
38:51
most
38:51
about.
38:51
What
38:52
kind
38:52
of
38:52
trip
38:52
are
38:52
you
38:53
on
38:53
and
38:53
why
38:53
do
38:53
you
38:53
care
38:54
so
38:54
much
38:54
about
38:54
it?
38:55
So
38:55
when
38:55
I
38:55
hear
38:55
you
38:55
ask
38:56
that
38:56
question,
38:57
how
38:57
it
38:57
lands
38:58
in
38:58
me
38:58
is
38:59
a
38:59
kind
38:59
of
38:59
validation
39:01
of
39:02
the
39:02
mission
39:03
that
39:04
I'm
39:04
on
39:04
that
39:04
I
39:05
want
39:05
to
39:05
achieve
39:06
with
39:06
as
39:06
much
39:07
inclusion
39:08
of
39:08
different
39:08
voices
39:09
and
39:10
to
39:10
use
39:11
Hamid's
39:12
language
39:12
and
39:12
metaphor,
39:14
the
39:14
crystal
39:15
for
39:15
a
39:15
moment
39:15
from
39:16
the
39:16
diamond
39:16
approach,
39:17
showing
39:17
the
39:18
different
39:18
facets
39:19
of
39:20
awakening
39:21
through
39:21
a
39:21
media
39:22
network,
39:23
yes,
39:24
this
39:24
is.
39:24
And
39:25
you
39:25
using
39:26
the
39:26
language
39:26
of
39:26
that
39:27
our
39:27
experience
39:27
is
39:28
mediated
39:29
and
39:29
how
39:30
important
39:30
this
39:30
is.
39:31
Okay,
39:32
so
39:32
in
39:32
the
39:32
midst
39:32
of
39:33
all
39:33
the
39:33
noise,
39:34
in
39:34
the
39:34
midst
39:34
of
39:35
all
39:35
the
39:35
10
39:36
second
39:36
TikToks
39:37
and
39:37
God
39:37
knows
39:38
what,
39:39
what
39:39
can
39:40
we
39:40
do?
39:40
Well,
39:40
this
39:40
is
39:41
where
39:41
we
39:41
get
39:41
to
39:42
use
39:42
all
39:42
of
39:43
our
39:43
creativity,
39:44
all
39:45
of
39:45
our
39:45
connection
39:46
to
39:46
economic,
39:47
resource
39:48
and
39:49
possibility
39:50
to
39:50
do
39:50
whatever
39:51
we
39:51
can
39:51
in
39:52
every
39:52
way
39:52
we
39:53
can
39:53
in
39:53
five
39:54
second
39:54
pieces,
39:55
in
39:55
five
39:56
minute
39:56
pieces,
39:56
in
39:57
five
39:57
hour
39:57
pieces,
39:58
with
39:59
the
39:59
best
39:59
and
40:00
brightest
40:01
multicolored,
40:02
diverse
40:03
representation
40:04
we
40:05
can,
40:05
and
40:06
to
40:06
put
40:06
it
40:06
out
40:07
in
40:07
every
40:08
language,
40:09
worldwide,
40:10
broadly,
40:11
and
40:11
to
40:11
do
40:11
it
40:11
with
40:12
a
40:12
sense
40:12
of
40:12
joy
40:13
and
40:13
pride
40:14
and
40:15
you
40:15
know,
40:16
sitting
40:16
around
40:16
and
40:16
saying,
40:17
well,
40:17
they're
40:17
doing
40:17
this
40:17
and
40:18
they're
40:18
doing
40:18
that
40:18
and
40:18
what?
40:19
That's
40:19
not
40:19
going
40:19
to
40:19
get
40:20
us
40:20
anywhere.
40:20
And
40:20
I
40:20
don't
40:21
spend
40:21
a
40:21
lot
40:21
of
40:21
time
40:22
critiquing
40:24
what's
40:25
going
40:25
on
40:25
because
40:25
I
40:25
don't
40:26
see
40:26
the
40:26
point
40:26
in
40:27
that
40:27
where
40:27
I
40:28
want
40:28
to
40:28
put
40:28
my
40:28
energy
40:29
is
40:30
creating
40:31
a
40:32
team
40:33
of
40:34
inspired
40:34
people
40:35
to
40:36
work
40:36
together
40:37
to
40:37
do
40:37
this
40:37
as
40:38
effectively
40:38
as
40:39
we
40:39
can
40:39
and
40:40
reach
40:40
as
40:40
many
40:41
people
40:41
as
40:41
we
40:41
can.
40:43
Beautiful.
40:43
It
40:44
feels
40:44
like
40:44
as
40:45
we
40:45
face
40:46
into
40:47
our
40:48
contemporary
40:48
situation
40:49
with
40:49
our
40:50
many
40:50
problems
40:51
and
40:51
the
40:52
global.
40:53
The
40:53
big
40:54
picture
40:54
term
40:54
is
40:55
meta
40:55
crisis
40:56
that
40:56
we
40:57
are
40:57
facing.
40:58
It
40:58
feels
40:58
like
40:58
it
40:59
naturally
40:59
evokes
41:00
the
41:00
question
41:01
which
41:01
I
41:01
hear
41:01
you
41:02
responding
41:02
to,
41:03
what
41:03
can
41:03
I
41:03
do?
41:04
But
41:04
beyond
41:05
that
41:05
is
41:06
the
41:06
question
41:07
that
41:07
you're
41:07
also
41:07
responding
41:08
to,
41:09
what's
41:09
the
41:09
most
41:10
strategic
41:10
thing
41:10
they
41:11
can
41:11
do?
41:11
And
41:11
beyond
41:12
that
41:13
is
41:13
the
41:13
third
41:13
question,
41:14
what
41:15
do
41:15
I
41:15
feel
41:15
called
41:16
to
41:16
do?
41:18
And
41:18
it
41:19
feels
41:20
I
41:20
hear
41:20
in
41:21
you,
41:21
in
41:22
your
41:22
animated
41:22
response,
41:23
in
41:23
your
41:23
life
41:24
and
41:25
your
41:25
work,
41:26
the
41:27
continual
41:28
search
41:28
to
41:28
answer
41:29
those
41:29
questions
41:29
which
41:29
I
41:30
think
41:30
are
41:30
best
41:30
thought
41:30
of
41:31
more
41:31
as
41:32
than
41:32
as
41:33
one
41:33
time
41:34
questions
41:34
because
41:34
they're
41:35
with
41:35
us
41:35
for
41:35
life
41:36
and
41:36
there's
41:36
no
41:37
final
41:37
answer
41:37
to
41:38
any
41:38
of
41:38
them.
41:38
But
41:39
I
41:39
honor
41:39
the
41:40
fact
41:40
that
41:40
you're
41:41
living
41:42
into
41:43
and
41:43
from
41:44
and
41:44
towards
41:44
those
41:45
questions
41:45
and
41:47
feels
41:47
very
41:47
beautiful
41:48
and
41:48
so,
41:49
so
41:49
important.
41:50
And
41:50
I
41:50
would
41:50
add
41:51
on
41:51
a
41:51
further
41:52
question,
41:53
what's
41:53
the
41:53
economic
41:54
model
41:56
that
41:56
enables
41:58
support
41:59
to
41:59
come
41:59
in
42:00
to
42:00
reach
42:01
more
42:01
and
42:01
more
42:01
people
42:02
at
42:02
scale?
42:03
Because
42:04
that's
42:04
an
42:04
important
42:05
part
42:05
of
42:05
it.
42:05
We
42:06
can
42:06
create
42:06
tremendous
42:07
media,
42:07
but
42:07
if
42:08
we
42:08
don't
42:08
have
42:08
advertising
42:09
dollars
42:10
behind
42:10
it,
42:10
it
42:11
doesn't
42:11
go
42:11
that
42:11
far.
42:12
So
42:12
we
42:13
need
42:13
those
42:13
ad
42:13
dollars.
42:14
We
42:14
need
42:14
the
42:15
ability
42:15
to
42:16
have
42:16
successful
42:17
economic
42:18
partnerships
42:19
with
42:20
people
42:20
in
42:21
other
42:21
languages
42:22
so
42:22
that
42:22
they
42:22
can
42:22
also
42:23
come
42:23
behind
42:23
and
42:24
support
42:24
what
42:25
we're
42:25
doing.
42:25
So
42:25
anyway,
42:26
that's
42:26
also
42:26
a
42:26
question
42:27
that
42:28
is
42:28
a
42:28
design
42:29
question
42:29
that's
42:30
very
42:30
important
42:30
to
42:31
me.
42:32
And
42:33
if
42:33
you
42:33
found
42:33
over
42:33
the
42:34
time
42:34
frame
42:35
of
42:35
your
42:35
career
42:35
we
42:36
probably
42:36
had
42:36
more
42:38
changes
42:38
in
42:38
technology
42:39
or
42:39
evolution
42:40
technology,
42:40
anytime
42:41
in
42:41
human
42:41
history.
42:42
I
42:42
mean,
42:42
remember
42:42
when
42:43
you
42:43
first
42:43
got
42:43
to
42:43
Boulder,
42:44
nobody
42:44
was
42:44
walking
42:44
around
42:45
going
42:45
like
42:45
this
42:45
all
42:45
the
42:46
time.
42:46
You
42:46
know,
42:46
it's
42:46
like
42:47
people
42:47
just
42:47
walked
42:48
around.
42:48
We
42:48
dressed
42:48
about
42:49
the
42:49
same
42:49
and
42:49
you
42:50
know,
42:50
we
42:50
looked
42:50
about
42:50
the
42:50
same.
42:51
But
42:51
the
42:51
technology
42:52
has
42:52
changed
42:53
so
42:53
rapidly.
42:54
So
42:54
have
42:55
you
42:55
found
42:55
that
42:55
something
42:55
that's
42:56
aided
42:56
you
42:56
in
42:56
your
42:57
mission,
42:57
this
42:57
rapid
42:58
technological
42:59
change
42:59
that
43:00
just
43:00
keeps
43:00
year
43:01
by
43:01
year
43:01
seeing
43:02
just
43:02
to
43:03
get
43:03
really
43:03
pushed
43:03
ahead
43:04
to.
43:04
I
43:05
don't
43:05
know,
43:05
they
43:05
talk
43:05
about
43:05
the
43:05
Omega
43:06
point.
43:06
I'm
43:06
not
43:06
sure
43:07
about
43:07
that.
43:07
But
43:07
has
43:08
this
43:08
been
43:08
basically
43:08
a
43:09
positive,
43:09
exciting,
43:10
challenging
43:10
thing
43:10
for
43:10
you
43:11
or
43:11
do
43:11
you
43:11
kind
43:11
of
43:12
worry
43:12
about
43:12
it
43:13
in
43:14
a
43:14
way?
43:14
Neither.
43:15
Meaning
43:16
I
43:16
don't
43:17
worrying
43:17
about
43:17
it.
43:17
It's
43:18
not
43:18
going
43:18
to
43:18
help.
43:19
And
43:20
has
43:20
it
43:20
been
43:20
positive?
43:21
It's
43:21
been
43:21
challenging.
43:22
My
43:22
own
43:22
motto,
43:23
buy
43:23
whatever
43:23
media
43:24
necessary.
43:25
So
43:25
I'm
43:26
willing
43:26
to
43:27
adapt
43:27
and
43:28
respond.
43:29
What's
43:29
needed
43:30
now.
43:30
What's
43:30
the
43:30
moment
43:31
asking
43:31
for?
43:31
Now?
43:32
The
43:32
moment's
43:33
asking
43:33
for
43:34
short
43:34
videos
43:35
because
43:36
that's
43:36
what
43:37
people
43:37
want,
43:38
that's
43:38
what
43:38
they're
43:38
consuming.
43:39
Okay.
43:40
Like,
43:40
I
43:41
think
43:41
in
43:41
the
43:41
beginning
43:41
I
43:42
was
43:42
like,
43:42
that's
43:42
not
43:42
possible.
43:43
You
43:43
can't
43:43
put
43:44
spiritual
43:45
wisdom
43:45
into
43:46
a
43:46
New
43:46
York
43:46
minute.
43:47
And
43:47
then
43:47
we
43:48
published
43:48
a
43:48
book
43:48
called
43:49
Meditation
43:49
in
43:49
a
43:49
New
43:50
York
43:50
Mine
43:50
Minute.
43:50
And
43:51
what
43:51
I
43:51
noticed
43:51
was
43:51
I
43:52
read
43:52
it
43:52
and
43:52
I
43:52
was
43:52
like,
43:52
this
43:52
book's
43:53
really
43:53
good.
43:53
These
43:53
are
43:54
a
43:54
lot
43:54
of
43:54
great
43:54
practices.
43:55
60
43:55
seconds,
43:56
that's
43:56
a
43:56
long
43:56
time.
43:57
You
43:57
can
43:57
do
43:57
a
43:57
lot
43:57
in
43:57
60
43:58
seconds.
43:59
So
43:59
I
43:59
opened
43:59
my
44:00
mind
44:00
to
44:00
it
44:00
again
44:01
and
44:01
again.
44:01
So
44:02
whatever
44:02
the
44:02
media
44:03
format
44:04
is,
44:05
it's
44:06
possible
44:06
to
44:07
creatively
44:07
adapt.
44:08
We
44:08
have
44:08
to.
44:09
That's
44:09
what
44:09
we
44:09
have
44:09
to
44:09
do.
44:10
This
44:10
is
44:10
where
44:10
we
44:10
are.
44:11
You
44:11
know,
44:11
I'm
44:12
still
44:12
a
44:12
long
44:12
form
44:13
learner
44:14
myself.
44:14
Like,
44:15
I
44:15
love
44:15
the
44:15
fact
44:15
that
44:15
you
44:16
guys
44:16
want
44:16
to
44:16
have
44:16
a
44:16
podcast
44:17
that
44:17
goes
44:17
on
44:17
for
44:18
90
44:18
minutes.
44:19
Jesus,
44:19
you
44:19
know,
44:20
I
44:20
love
44:20
that.
44:21
But
44:21
a
44:21
lot
44:21
of
44:21
people
44:21
there.
44:22
You
44:22
kidding
44:22
me?
44:22
You
44:22
want
44:22
to
44:23
listen
44:23
that
44:23
long?
44:23
A
44:23
lot
44:23
of
44:23
the
44:24
people
44:24
that
44:24
work
44:24
at
44:24
Sounds
44:24
True
44:25
now
44:25
are
44:25
like,
44:25
tammy,
44:26
break
44:26
it
44:26
down.
44:26
Give
44:26
it
44:27
to
44:27
me.
44:27
If
44:27
it's
44:27
more
44:27
than
44:28
four
44:28
minutes,
44:28
no
44:28
one's
44:29
going
44:29
to
44:29
see
44:29
it.
44:30
Okay,
44:31
so
44:31
you
44:32
asked
44:32
do
44:32
I
44:32
feel
44:32
positively
44:33
about
44:33
it?
44:33
I
44:33
feel
44:33
challenged,
44:34
creatively
44:35
challenged
44:35
by
44:36
it.
44:36
And
44:36
I'm
44:36
willing
44:37
to
44:37
meet
44:37
the
44:37
creative
44:38
challenge.
44:41
Tammy,
44:42
another
44:42
whole
44:42
line
44:43
of
44:43
things
44:44
that
44:44
just
44:44
absolutely
44:45
intrigued
44:45
me
44:46
are
44:46
the
44:47
fact
44:47
that
44:47
you've
44:48
probably
44:49
published
44:49
and
44:50
interviewed
44:51
as
44:51
many
44:51
people
44:51
as
44:52
almost
44:52
anyone
44:52
on
44:53
the
44:53
planet,
44:54
and
44:55
you've
44:55
interviewed
44:56
and
44:56
promoted
44:57
some
44:57
of
44:57
the
44:58
people
44:58
who
44:58
are
44:59
really
44:59
on
45:00
the
45:00
cutting
45:00
edge
45:01
of
45:01
psychological,
45:02
cultural,
45:03
and
45:03
contemplative
45:04
frontiers.
45:05
So
45:06
I
45:06
want
45:06
to
45:07
start
45:07
with
45:07
a
45:07
big
45:08
open
45:09
question,
45:09
and
45:09
that
45:10
is,
45:12
what
45:12
are
45:12
some
45:12
of
45:13
the
45:13
people
45:13
and
45:13
ideas
45:14
that
45:14
really
45:14
stand
45:15
out
45:15
to
45:15
you?
45:15
You
45:16
from
45:16
all
45:17
the
45:17
people
45:17
you've
45:17
worked
45:18
with?
45:18
It's
45:18
a
45:18
good
45:19
question.
45:20
Stay
45:20
tuned
45:21
for
45:21
part
45:21
two
45:22
of
45:22
our
45:22
conversation
45:23
with
45:23
this
45:23
extraordinary
45:24
woman,
45:25
Tammy
45:25
Simon.
45:26
Thank
45:26
you
45:26
very
45:26
much
45:27
for
45:27
being
45:27
a
45:27
part
45:28
of
45:28
this
45:28
conversation.
45:29
We
45:29
hope
45:29
that
45:30
you
45:30
were
45:30
moved,
45:30
as
45:31
we
45:31
are
45:31
moved,
45:32
being
45:32
part
45:32
of
45:32
it
45:32
ourselves.
45:33
We'd
45:34
also
45:34
like
45:34
to
45:34
say
45:34
that
45:35
this
45:35
is
45:35
being
45:35
funded
45:36
by
45:36
Roger
45:37
and
45:37
myself.
45:37
It
45:37
comes
45:37
out
45:37
of
45:38
our
45:38
pockets.
45:38
So
45:38
if
45:38
you
45:39
would
45:39
like
45:39
to
45:39
help
45:39
us
45:40
to
45:40
mainly
45:41
to
45:41
get
45:41
this
45:41
podcast
45:42
out
45:42
to
45:42
more
45:42
people
45:43
because
45:43
the
45:43
bigger
45:44
audience
45:44
have
45:44
which
45:44
is
45:45
steadily
45:45
growing.
45:45
But
45:45
the
45:46
more
45:46
people
45:46
we
45:46
can
45:46
reach
45:47
and
45:47
the
45:47
more
45:47
marketing
45:48
we
45:48
can
45:48
do,
45:48
the
45:48
more
45:49
positive
45:49
effect
45:50
we
45:50
can
45:50
have
45:50
on
45:50
the
45:50
world.
45:51
So
45:51
we've
45:51
done
45:52
a
45:52
couple
45:52
of
45:52
ways,
45:52
but
45:52
we'd
45:52
like
45:53
you
45:53
to
45:53
buy
45:53
us
45:54
a
45:54
cup
45:54
of
45:54
coffee.
45:54
Very
45:55
simple,
45:55
and
45:55
I
45:55
do
45:56
that
45:56
with
45:56
podcasts
45:57
that
45:57
I
45:57
support,
45:58
and
45:58
I
45:59
find
45:59
it's
45:59
very
45:59
satisfying.
46:00
So
46:00
thank
46:01
you
46:01
for
46:01
your
46:01
help,
46:01
thank
46:02
you
46:02
for
46:02
your
46:02
presence,
46:02
and
46:03
thank
46:03
you
46:03
for
46:03
all
46:04
you
46:04
are
46:04
and
46:04
all
46:05
you
46:05
do.
46:05
We
46:05
love
46:05
you.