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How Neetu Healed Her Abandonment Wound with The Inner Child Healing Process · Reclaiming Consciousness

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  SPEAKER_00: My last program with you was like realizing like how much softness and tenderness my inner child needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I think when you're able to like give that to yourself too, then it's also easier for you to extend that and give that to other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was another thing is going through this process and really understanding how these traumas are like running this show.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have a lot more compassion for people, even the people that may have hurt you, because you're just like, oh, they're also running from that place.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Reclaiming Consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_02: My name is Elise Bassine, spiritual mentor, breathwork practitioner, and owner and CEO of Elise Breeds.
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  SPEAKER_02: For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the media, and familial and ancestral trauma.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right now, during this epic time in history, people are waking up, realizing who they really are, and reclaiming the pieces of their consciousness that they unknowingly gave away.
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  SPEAKER_02: This podcast is an exploration of how so many spectacular humans are leading the way in exiting the matrix and reclaiming who they really are and what they're capable of.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hi everyone, welcome back to the show.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this week, which is actually our last episode before the end of the year, because I'm going to be taking a week off next week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm gonna be in Florida with my brother and my whole family, actually.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, a lot of my family.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that'll be really nice.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there'll be no episode next week, and then we will resume in the new year.
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  SPEAKER_02: But this week, I am interviewing Neetu, who is a longtime client, and she is just such a perfect example of how committing to this work for a long period of time works.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's not to say that short term you don't get benefits because you do, you know, a lot of people come in and they see shifts happen immediately.
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  SPEAKER_02: However, it's also really cool to watch the way people change over time when they continue to do the work, you know, and her story is very interesting just around her abandonment wound.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you'll hear her share about that and what were the challenges for her in really diving into that and how she kept going with, you know, developing that relationship with her in her child and using the tools to really create a very profound transformation that's more than just tangible.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's literally like a completely different way of relating to herself and the world and a completely different feeling within herself on a day-to-day basis, you know, and I think that to me is more valuable than anything else because she gets to have a completely different experience of reality in her relationships, in her, you know, daily routines, in her business and all of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's really cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you're gonna really like the story, you know, and she's somebody too that like she did a lot of different programs with me.
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  SPEAKER_02: She did a little bit of private work, but it wasn't like two years of private work.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think she did a private container, like a shorter private container initially with me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think we did like one or two other shorter private containers.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then she was in the metamorphosis, she was in one of my business containers that I did.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then she just recently did the Dizaver Abandonment Wound training.
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  SPEAKER_02: So she's kind of been in almost everything, I think, other than the certification.
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  SPEAKER_02: So she really, you know, has dove headfirst into the work and applied it over time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she really is like a living result of what happens when you do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm really excited for you to hear this episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then if you would like to kind of dive into some of the things that she did, dissolve your abandonment wound right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a digital do on your own program that's so potent.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not 100% sure yet, but I want to make sure that as many people as possible have these tools and it's just stuff you can listen to on the go or before bed to relax or, you know, when you're in the car to really transform the way your abandonment wound shows up in your life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, sometimes we don't even realize we have an abandonment wound.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think with knee twos, it was more obvious because of her circumstances, which you'll hear.
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  SPEAKER_02: But for a lot of people who experience more of that emotional abandonment where it's like you needed something from your parents on an emotional level or a presence level that they just couldn't give you, it creates this wounding, this void, this fear of not being good enough, this fear of being seen, this fear of being criticized or judged that can really paralyze you and stop you from moving forward with the things you really want in life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then also, obviously, a huge part of Me Too's transformation was the metamorphosis as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the metamorphosis is gonna be starting again in mid-January, and we're gonna be an early bird until the end of the year.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've been hearing from some of them, and they are like blown away at the shifts they're already making.
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• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Hi everyone, welcome back to the show.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I am so excited for today's guest.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like this episode has been a long time coming.
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  SPEAKER_02: So today I have Neatu Ramawad on the show, and she has been a client of mine for a while, and we're gonna dive into her journey and her transformation and what she does now.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Neatu, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited to be here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yay! I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's been a long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: I told you I it like occurred to me at one point that I hadn't had you on yet, and I was like, oh my God.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I like messaged you at that moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was it was timely, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did it feel that way for you when I reached out?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I don't think that there was any other point in time that I could articulate the journey as well and where like I've come to.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it felt really timely at that point.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, then let's dive into that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You articulating the journey, and let's just go back to you know when we first started working together and just kind of like what drew you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm trying to even remember at this point.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it was like the beginning of 2022.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think so too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think you were like just advertising some one-on-ones, and I had been following and listening to you speak about things, and like I have done a lot of healing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm a holistic nutritionist, so like I went through the a journey of healing my body.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have studied yoga and meditation for like eight years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did kundalini yoga and I've had a lot of experiences in like deepening my relationship with my spirituality.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there was something that when you were speaking, I was like that felt like I needed to go there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't know what it was at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: It just felt like there was more work to be done and something for me to keep uncovering.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like it was such a a journey for you and just going to these deeper levels of looking at, you know, some things from your childhood that were hard to look at.
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  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I remember several moments where it felt like you got to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here's one thing that and we can talk about this.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like there's a difference between when you understand something intellectually, but then when you actually feel it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I felt like you're obviously very intelligent.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like everything I've said, you obviously really understand it intellectually, but there were these points where you got it on a deeper level.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that took time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I do remember, I think it was like I was dating for a while, and then just in modern day dating, I would get ghosted and it would even be with men that I wasn't even interested in, to be honest, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: But I would feel this really deep pain of abandonment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think when I was working and I didn't know why, like, why am I carrying so much?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I clearly know that I didn't invest emotionally with this person.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just know I'm not necessarily interested, but I would get something that that would happen, and then I would feel a lot of this deeper pain.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that was one of I think our initial things that we worked on.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just to be clear, like I didn't have a relationship with my biological father.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't raised by my mom.
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  SPEAKER_00: My aunt and uncle were my caretakers.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was so interesting to talk to you about that, like what happened in my childhood and identify that's where that wound was coming from.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I think there's so many, and I I talk about this so much where when it comes to when you had caretakers that cared for you and objectively you had everything you needed, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, even I'm I'm guessing from even like your mom's perspective, like she would have been like, okay, like she's good.
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  SPEAKER_02: And to a degree you were, but it's like more about these deeper ways that it impacted you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So maybe we can go into that a little bit too, of just like how you started to discover the way these deeper things impacted you that you weren't aware of, and then how they were showing up in your life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I know you mentioned the dating stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Any other examples of that too?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think there were triggers where in a friend situation, if I was being excluded deliberately, and I'm talking with a very close person, so it felt like abnormal for the relationship, that would definitely trigger that wound as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Being on the outside of something, because I guess in my childhood dynamic, I wasn't necessarily part of a like a full family unit.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was still just a little bit different.
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  SPEAKER_00: So those things came up, and then also just identifying where I was abandoning myself, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we talked about as I was going through my journey with my business, and there were aspects of like necessarily showing up for myself in the way that I wanted to do, but just seeing where this lens of that wound was still presenting itself in parts of my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let's talk about abandoning yourself too, because I think this is something that a lot of people experience, and they might not even have abandonment that seems as quote unquote obvious as yours, but I think a lot of people experience this.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, what did that look like for you?
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  SPEAKER_02: And like, like how have you dealt with it?
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  SPEAKER_02: But then also like how do you tie that back to how you felt growing up?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is really interesting because I would even say that as the way I operate from a day-to-day basis, it would never look like I'm somebody that's abandoning myself.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you like have your shit together.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I will wake up and meditate, I will do the things that are really good for me.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: I take all my supplements, I meal prep, I make sure I go to the gym in a lot of different ways in terms of health and wellness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it would not appear.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is where with these subtle energies that still carry like a pretty strong charge can be running the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I will say, like, I didn't have strong boundaries to walk away from people that would necessarily treat me badly because it was such a survival mechanism in terms of losing somebody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because in that childhood unit, I almost felt that if I didn't conform or allow myself to be treated in certain ways, then I wouldn't have someone, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I would see that in my adult life where if something, you know, was happening that where I wasn't being treated well or it was really difficult to walk away from somebody I was dating and that I was into, I had abandoned myself by allowing this treatment to happen for longer than it needed to.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I just didn't have the capacity or I would say the strength at that time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, so I've been building this resilience and it definitely took time to be able to prioritize myself or to say that this is actually now really harmful for my inner child.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it took me a long time to get there.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like for you too, there's a couple of things I wanted to highlight about that.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to clarify this for people, because like you know this, but I want to talk about this for a second.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not like when you were a kid, you were thinking in your mind, oh, I better do this so they don't put me out on the street.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I like it's not like you were thinking that.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: So can you go a little more into like what that experience was for you and then how you were able to articulate that for yourself later on?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I think sometimes people can take this work literally and be like, oh, I didn't think that when I was younger.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's like you didn't cognitively think it when you were younger.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's more of like a feeling that gets like imprinted and then turned into a pattern.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess in childhood and in my circumstances, I mean, I did have caretakers, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: But the emotional needs were different based on myself or and like their biological child, for example.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I would see differences, and I guess it would cause me to maybe try to conform to what was acceptable and not necessarily be myself so that I could always be included or be lovable or be supported or um be worthy of the similar things, right?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: That I would notice differences around.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I would never have been able to articulate that as a kid, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: But now, like today, if I'm triggered and I know because I've done so much work, I know if the trigger is much deep, I I now I'm aware that it's coming from that inner child place and I'm able to walk myself through the process that you have created, which has been so helpful for me.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't necessarily happen often, but some of these triggers carry such a deep pain or a charge that it's so necessary to like it's almost so obvious that that's where it's coming from.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it wasn't obvious for a long time.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, for a long time, no, and abandonment was one thing, but it was like there were like these different buckets of wounding.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I feel unsupported here.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I think for you too, it was also like a pre-verbal thing, too, because you lived with them since you were basically like what, like one?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was a baby.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: You were a baby, so you wouldn't have had any sort of like cognitive memory or verbal articulation of any sort of experience, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: It would have just been a feeling and like an energetic imprint of this is like how life is, and this is creating this like blueprint for how you relate to the world.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's so ingrained in you that it wouldn't be easy to like see or articulate.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it took a long time to and like you said, I was okay like articulating things, but then there's almost two pieces to the process where your brain understands it, but like your body and the emotions, like it takes time for that to catch up or for you to allow yourself to go deeper there to allow those emotions to transform.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so let's talk about that too, because I feel like you really being able to connect with that younger version of you that took time.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: And it takes time for everyone, honestly.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I always tell people like this is not like surgery.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like, even though I give you steps because I'm trying to make it simple, you really have to spend time building this connection and conceptualizing it for yourself.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: So can you talk about that process for yourself a little bit?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think it definitely was challenging in the beginning.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was challenging really connecting to my inner child.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like it just felt really far away.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know if it was working.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: It felt a little, it just felt a little not real, right?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like it took time, but it is something that over time, like hypnosis and like it just became easier to go there with her.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Something clicks and something changes.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I I can't tell you when or how, but there's a time where if you're doing enough work and you can articulate it and and understand it, and then it's like, oh, you have so much compassion for this side of yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think when you get to that point of, oh, I can really empathize, I could sub myself out for any other child that I know in my life, right?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, oh, I'd have a lot of compassion for this kid if they were going through such a negative experience like that, or or feeling big negative, hurtful emotions.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that part helped a lot as well.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: And also going back to just identifying with yourself.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: What did you need, or what are the things that you like to do when you're that version of yourself and trying to tap into those levels of joy again and connecting with yourself?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say that for me, that has helped build some self-worth that I don't think I had before.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's been easier to, let's say, walk away or reprogram situations that come up that can still be hurtful.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: And do you feel like it's impacted just any of your current relationships?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's interesting because sometimes, and I know you always used to say this and it was like not necessarily happening, but you're like, when you change, there's an energetic shift, and that did happen in a couple of relationships.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Naturally with me without me having to say or do anything because I was changing and I was becoming aware of you know what it is that I would and wouldn't tolerate.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think the things that were like tolerated before were just things that I wouldn't now.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: So that started to shift for me.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I when it did internally and I became like aware of that, some of these dynamics started to change for the better, naturally.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I think also it took like now that I'm thinking back to even some of the more recent work that we did.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I think this is common.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I also think because you are you're very like goal-oriented and you like are wanting to like take action to get to the destination.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like there was this way where it was almost like I had to like stop you and be like, look how upset this part of you.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like, look at how hurtful this was.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think that, and a lot of people do this, including myself, by the way.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: You get it, right?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: You get why that was upsetting.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: But like this idea of being able to like stop and take time and be like, wow, that was so incredibly painful.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I feel the way that I do.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: And it's almost like a way of like really validating yourself and being like, okay, it makes sense that I feel this way.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like it makes sense that this is hard for me or that's hard for me.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember this moment of feeling like you really were like, like hit you, or you were like, oh my God, that was so hurtful.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: And again, it's not about staying stuck in these moments of like, I'm so hurt or I'm a victim, but it's really just about the acknowledgement of the impact that these particular dynamics or events or situations like had on you.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't really stop to really take that time and you just keep moving forward, like that's such a I think it's such a critical piece in the healing process.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Just to stop and acknowledge like how painful.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's also very validating working with somebody like you who will say, Yes, that was super painful when you were a child.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't really realize how much you need somebody to say that to you.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because you felt it growing up, but then no one else was like acknowledging it.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: So you're like, okay, maybe this is just me, or maybe this isn't real, or I should just forget about this.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then you go through life thinking that you should just forget about it, but it's still just like there and it's showing itself inside of all these situations that then feel confusing.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Until that's acknowledged, everything just is a reflection of that.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why we feel stuck and why things feel hard.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I think there were periods of time where yeah, it was certain wounds were coming up and they would only come up in very intimate dynamics.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like infrequent, right?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes too.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: So then you can really get stuck in that pattern, not really understanding why it's happening and then how to move it, how to shift that energy of emotions.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you feel now about just being able to like navigate when you do feel triggered or walk yourself through that process?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: It happens infrequently, but not to say it doesn't happen at all.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And not to say that it's fully gone.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: I know that this is yes, it has been such a deep pain that I will have to continue to nourish this part of myself.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's just part of the healing journey for me.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: But it's it becomes a lot easier to feel really triggered and acknowledge this part of myself within a reasonable amount of time to know, okay, this is that part of myself.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: But like also, how do I want to proceed in in this situation that's triggering me right now?
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: And there's more healing required to do here.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: And also I think one of the things too is so many times I see this, like when people get triggered, they make themselves wrong for it.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my God, I shouldn't be mad about this.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, that's not helping.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's so important.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: And like it goes back to what you were saying, it's so important to validate that part of yourself.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not to like identify with it or get stuck in it or be like, I'm the victim, but it's just about okay, there's a reason why you feel this way.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: This isn't random.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's a reason why you feel this way.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: And if you address it, then you're gonna move forward.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: But if you ignore it, it's gonna keep trying to get your attention in all of these other ways.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say, like, through doing it, I can't say that I'm fully on the other side completely.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like I know that I've made a lot of shifts, but it is so much more empowering to feel like deeper pains that just come up or that you don't have any control over.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: And like the perspective shifting of things is so important as well, right?
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because we do get to choose that.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: I would say there were tools that I didn't necessarily have to lean into before.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Before, and then it's like you could just be k keep carrying this pain into years or other relationships or other parts of your life when it's like, okay, you can like also use it as a way of clearing and freeing yourself of this.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, what would you say are like some of the biggest just like shifts that you see in your life now?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely the reminder of not abandoning myself in ways that are really important to me, right?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: In terms of where I wanted to go.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: And like we talked about that too.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: I had such a big fear of being seen.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we can talk about that.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I do continue to work through that.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, one, I would love to hear your articulation of this as somebody who A has the abandonment wound that you can articulate and the fear of being seen, and like how you see those two things being related.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think you obviously like you can abandon yourself from a lot of opportunities, and then also your gifts and who you are when you're scared to be seen.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I think what really lies behind that is that you have this thought pattern, I'm not valuable, or what I have to say isn't valued, or somebody might value the same thing that I'm saying, but with somebody else just for no good reason, just because, right?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it goes down to a worth and a valuable, like your own self-value.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it can definitely rob you, I think, from opportunities, right?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Just career opportunities, collaborations.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And and also just like like I get to sit here and speak about this today, which I wouldn't have been able to do, let's say it with such ease, maybe a few years ago.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's also like allowing yourself to like acknowledge this part of yourself and be okay and comfortable with that this part of yourself existed, but we all need the softness.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think when I went through my last program with you was like realizing like how much softness and tenderness my inner child needed.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I think when you're able to like give that to yourself too, then it's also easier for you to extend that and give that to other people.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: That was another thing is going through this process and really understanding how these traumas are like running this show.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: You have a lot more compassion for people, even the people that may have hurt you because you're just like, oh, they're also running from that place, right?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, totally.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Even when we talk about like extreme, I forgot who I was talking to about this the other day.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: We were talking about some really fucked up shit that her mom did.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: And and I just kind of like said it, I wasn't even thinking about it, but I just broke it down as to like how she's probably traumatized.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like when you can see everything from that lens, all of a sudden, nobody's like the enemy, right?
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: Even when we look at our parents, right?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: When I look at like things that my mom did that really hurt me, it was all just like her trauma that was being expressed in that moment.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it allows you to have so much more understanding and compassion for people and see, and not to say somebody that's like a sociopath, we want to be friends with them, but we understand why.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's an understanding, but you have to know what you will or will not stay for or walk away from.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the other side of things, it's like, okay, like I had an absent father, but I also wasn't raised by my mom.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that relationship wasn't one that I had a nurturing relationship with a mother growing up, right?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: And when we did come back together, like I was in my 20s when we started having like a real relationship, and it was very turbulent.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's another part of things, right?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of her traumas of now having to be a single mom in survival mode, she didn't have time to process anything.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: She was just trying to live.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do you feel like her energy when you were growing up had the same kind of impact on you as people who lived with their mom, or was it like in the periphery more?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it was different because it's these are your caretakers, right?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was definitely not a primary relationship for me.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: She just wasn't in the picture.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not that we didn't have a relationship, it was like, oh, like on the weekends or every night, it was like, how's school?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, love you, good night.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was very basic.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: There wasn't like nurturing that happened for me as a kid because she just she wasn't there and she needed help with my aunt and uncle, right?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Taking care of me as well, and my grandmother.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that's just how a lot of immigrant family dynamics work.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I know.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's where a lot of the school I used to work at.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: There was so much of that.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I would always get so frustrated as to like, okay, like I get this kid has a behavior problem, but why aren't we talking about that?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he just misses his mom.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know there's not really much we could do about that at the school, but at least if we had like an awareness to bring that into the conversation, this might be why this kid can't pay attention, or this might be why this kid has a behavior problem.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think it brings like a level of understanding that helps.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's definitely an interesting, obviously, it's an abandonment wound thing, but also just an interesting mother dynamic too, just as far as relationships with women.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I also feel like it impacts the fear of being seen too, because it's like, again, that feeling of am I worthy or good enough or valuable because that primary relationship wasn't necessarily there.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then yeah, also underneath that, which we we had talked about quite a bit, was like not feeling supported.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yes.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then I think that also impacts like when it came to being seen around sharing your gifts and your business, it's kind of like expecting not to be supported.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: And again, like I would have never been able to articulate that because when you're just like not showing up, you think it's like, okay, I don't necessarily feel like it.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have something to say today.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's going to be impactful.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like you can go through all these other things, but like maybe, yeah, the root of that is exactly what you just said.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you feel like that has shifted for you?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: Not only just in the fear of being seen, but even in your relationships, just around like feeling supported.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's easier for me to identify where I am being supported.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like I can say that there's no support.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, on a level, you you always know that someone is supporting you, but maybe not necessarily in the way that you need it to be.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it's really just acknowledging that that was a feeling and a narrative that was running for a long time that needed to just be rewired and reprocessed.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think that in the beginning, too, you there was a lot of relationship dynamics or like friendships that you felt not uncomfortable, but maybe not confident in or always questioning like where you stood with people.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that has shifted.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's something I don't I care about less.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I just feel more confident and empowered.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: I show up as a good friend and how other people want to behave.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like it has not taking it personally.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was a big shift too, is identifying that everything someone says and does has to do with them and has nothing to do with me.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that was a big life lesson.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yanness.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: No, and I think that is a really huge thing that happens when we do this work too, because like from growing up, right?
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like we have this need as kids, like you need the people around you to care about you and validate you.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: And when they don't, it's like you're left with this void of like forever perpetually trying to find that from somebody.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then when you don't get it, it's like you're unconsciously then trying to get it from the people around you.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it goes back to that thing, right?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was a little bit othered, you might stay in unhealthy dynamics longer because you're so scared of losing somebody.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because it feels like, can I survive?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and it goes back to like as a kid, like if I had lost one person already, not obviously not already having an absent father, a mom that wasn't necessarily around.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: So losing somebody feels like so much grief.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't survive losing somebody else.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we talked about this too.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: And this is such a vulnerable share, but a lot of what I was feeling was grieving that my primary relationships were not the way that I would have liked them to have been.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: There was so much grief underneath that, right?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad you brought that up because that was something I forgot about.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: That is such an important piece of the work.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost like when you get let yourself feel the grief, it's you're really looking it in the face.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's no part of you that's like, oh, it should have been different, or I wish it was this way.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: No, this is how it was.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: And now I get to like really face and feel the sadness and the grief that it wasn't the way I wanted it to be.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: And there's such a power in that, in feeling that.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Cause then it's like you're not hiding from it anymore.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Or pretending that it's not there or that it's also not something that you think it's not.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, what do you feel like is the shift when you come out on the other side of that?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I feel like that is so powerful.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a lot of people who are maybe unknowingly still in that space where you're like, well, it should have been this way, or they should have done this.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then you're kind of like held in this like perpetuity of wishing it were different and then ignoring the feelings that are there around it not being the way you wanted it to be.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, the shift was just acceptance.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't necessarily that there was a shift in wanting it to be any other way.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was just accepting that that's what it was.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: But along with that part of it being a lot of grief, is also looking at all the other parts where it was really good.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like seeing things with a neutral mind.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's not necessarily clouded by the narrative and the big emotions.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: With a neutral mind, it's yeah, there was grief, but then there was also all these other amazing things as well.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not like the grief overclouds all of the other great things that were there too.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I say this all the time.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I've recently had this experience of like I moved through a lot of deep ancestral and family shame around money.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: And when I came out on the other side of that, I had this like huge empowering experience where I was just like able to like look at money neutrally, where it's just like a math problem.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's no emotion around it.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so easy because there's no emotion.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like when you get to that place where you like feel the emotion, then once you move through that, then like you said, you can see it logically.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just like, oh, these are the circumstances.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: There were really great things and there were really hard things.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: And like I can accept them all.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then the other thing I was thinking about too when you said acceptance is like it's also then you get to accept yourself.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: And like all parts of you.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you feel this to kind of shift into what you do?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, like you can explain a little more about what you do, but and then also how this work has impacted what you do.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I work with women.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty much like a women's nutritionist uh health coach.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: I work with them to resolve any sort of menstrual cycle disorders, painful period, PCOS, endometriosis, infertility, fertility, I focus on as well for a lot of women.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: And this work has become like I always had a mindset piece because you know, that I have known to be nice and just in terms of the alignment you need in your body.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: But this has allowed me to take it deeper when I when I do that work now because I can see that if you are not in the right mindset, or if you have some of these narratives that are lingering, they're sabotaging you from actually making the changes and making sustainable changes that you need to make to get you to where you want to go.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: There are so many times I work with women, and I'll I'll give you an example.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody who came to me and she ended up becoming a caretaker to her family quite early on.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Her siblings, she had PCOS, she wasn't happy with her weight, she wasn't happy, like so burnt out, fatigued.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: And when as we were talking about some of the changes that she needed to make, it was there were a lot of excuses.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, but I have to pick up my sister, I have to be at home making dinner.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: She was just never prioritizing herself.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a clear example of somebody who has a lot of ingrained belief systems about her responsibility.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: And we needed to really work on that for her to actually even just make the other changes happen.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like so much of the outer shifts like are never gonna matter if you're not like doing the deeper work.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: And even for like one of the women who just came through the certification, Lisa was talking about how a lot of times, too, when she could get to the deeper traumas with people, a lot of the nutritional stuff, they didn't even have to do it anymore once they got to the deeper trauma, because it was all kind of a manifestation of that.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like a lot of the like feminine blocks or problems that we have, like painful periods or and now it seems like every single person is talking about perimenopause.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: It might just be because that's my algorithm and my age.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: But it sounds, it seems like everyone's talking about that.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: But I feel like so much of the what becomes sticky around that has a deeper root in either some kind of self-abandonment, trauma, or like programming around like sacrificing yourself.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: And the world doesn't make it easier, right?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's not necessarily designed for women to be thriving, right?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: So even just reclaiming that is such a huge step.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: In in starting a healing journey.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: So do you feel like that's like the biggest thing for people is just being able to actually prioritize themselves if they're gonna want to make a change?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the internal narratives that are driving how you're gonna make changes and your self-worth and and and really identifying where there are these subtle traumas that are still controlling everything so that you can make those shifts is a big part of that as well.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I also feel like people, even like when it comes to my work, I feel like there'll be so many women that like like they know they need to do this work, but the idea of like even investing in themselves feels like selfish or something.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then it kind of goes back to some of the money, yeah, money traumas, maybe, but yeah, women also having, yeah, not feeling worthy enough to invest in themselves for the type of changes that they need to make.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and also like how it's gonna impact their family or their husband or whatever, and like feeling like they're not allowed to, and not even to say that is anything that anyone else might even be imposing on them.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's also just like what they feel, because I think there's so much like programming for women in general to just sacrifice themselves for everyone else.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that ends up where people get a lot of like health problems, especially around like the fertility and stuff like that.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then I would love to ask you that too, because I know you talk a lot about like fertility.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, why do you think people have so many problems with fertility?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: I know there's a lot of reasons.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many reasons, obviously, just a product of um the day-to-day that we're living in.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the energetic alignment, you can be eating all the right things, doing what working out, but if something is missing, then it's a part of yourself that you haven't uncovered.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that probably is a spiritual emotional aspect, right?
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: Which is where some of this work comes into play.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where it's like we need to see what's that thing that's like running the show right now that we need to like address and like maybe help it release, help you soften up a little bit, help you slow down, and really understanding like the rhythm of a woman's and how to support that, right?
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we can nourish it deeply, obviously, in so many different ways, but some of nourishment is really just slowing down, also.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and like having compassion for yourself, exactly, right?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: And even just like nourishing all these like painful parts of yourself, right?
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like our bodies, like we're so lucky, are is a vessel, it's a portal, it's like the only way to get onto the planet, which I find so fascinating.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's a lot of power in there.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: And what is it that's like really diminishing um that creative life force and how do we bring it back to life?
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: And when you think about it too, I really feel that our creative energy is like the antidote to trauma in a lot of ways.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I always find that when people move through their trauma, they automatically get tapped into their creativity in this way.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not even necessarily about like, like obviously producing a human is a creative act too, and it's like a really powerful one.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: But I feel like we are meant to be creators in all of these ways.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: And when people are doing that, that is when they're the happiest.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like helping people tap back into that is so important.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I really think that is the root of why a lot of people don't feel good, is they're not tapping into their creative energy.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and tapping into your creative energy is naturally just tapping into joy.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it also goes back to that inner child aspect because it's like, what was it that lit up your inner child?
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably the answer, right?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you loved drawing or dancing or singing, then go bring more of that into your life right now.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it's something too, when I speak to women, it's like, okay, if we're trying to have a baby, what is the energy of a baby?
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: Babies are just pure joy, right?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: And also, don't you think that like some women might be wanting to have a baby for the wrong reasons too?
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: And that might not be why it's happening.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I find that too, even with people who are trying to like create something, and it's like, well, maybe you're not creating it for the right reasons, or maybe there's a wound behind it.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like maybe they're wanting to prove that they're good enough or whatever it is.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like it could, it's probably that way with fertility too.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's like maybe you think you're supposed to do it, but you're doing it because you think you're supposed to.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: Or there's some kind of thing in there that needs to be addressed before it's in full alignment.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a it's just a pressure of societal and cultural expectations on women too, right?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: There is some worth in saying that, oh, like you're married now, you have a kid, right?
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're not that, then as a woman, I think there's just so many narratives where you can feel like it does diminish some of your worth.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Times are changing so much, right?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you'd still have such a full life if you didn't, if you chose not to have kids, but like also uncovering if this is something you truly, really want in the world that we live in, is is something to definitely look deeper into.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I think that whether it's about having a baby or anything else, I think sometimes people are not always motivated by what is truly right for them.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's more about what they think they're supposed to do or what they think is going to make them happy versus what's actually going to make them happy.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that that is like another just the important piece around like healing the trauma because everybody that I see who does that just like naturally taps into what they're supposed to do.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that clarity I think comes to stronger.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you kind of already knew that you wanted to do this work with women.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd love for you to talk a little bit about like how you came to understand that, but then also how doing the steeper work just gave you more clarity and just like power in what it is that you do.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: I went through my own health challenges.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like I had a, I think it was like 2013 or something, I had a ruptured ovarian cyst, and I happened to be completing my certification in holistic nutrition at the same time.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I just remember waking up and for a couple of days I was in pain and I have an unusually high tolerance for pain.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: I, anyways, I woke up and I just had to go to the emergency one morning because it was just like too much.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: So they had an ultrasound, they're like, You have this ruptured cyst.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, What does that even mean?
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: It just sounded so horrible.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I went to my doctor and she just brushed it off.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: She made it seem like so normal, like it's just a cyst or whatever.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, I'm like in so much unusual amounts of pain here.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like this doesn't, two things are not connecting for me.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: My only options then were you to go on birth control, have surgery.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: If it was to reoccur, potentially hysterectomy.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I knew I always wanted to have kids.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's when I started making a lot of changes and understanding the choices I was making was impacting my hormones.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was studying and learning all of this information.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: And when I graduated, I was just naturally making these changes in my life and helping so many other women, like understanding that hormones were really running the show.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: They were literally responsible for everything for a woman because I also had debilitating periods.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: And when I had the surgery six months later, they also went in and found stage one endometriosis, which I did not know I had.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: What is endometriosis?
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Endometriosis is a tissue that's similar to the uterine lining, but it's growing outside of the uterus.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's growing where it's not supposed to be growing and very under-researched.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: They have very few cases where there are teenagers or maybe a child that's like pre pre-pubescent that might have this kind of tissue growing on the lungs.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it's an autoimmune issue, but it's also a highly inflammatory issue, right?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: And controlling inflammation will help that a lot.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: And there are women that do have endometriosis.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: And if you do all of the right things, like you can still get pregnant.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a big part of my healing because I was like, oh, I knew I still want to have kids.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, if this continues, I can do the surgery, but if this comes back, then they're gonna tell me I need to have hysterectomy.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: That was not an option for me, and medicating my body was also not an option for me.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: So that sort of started with my healing.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: I will tell you a very interesting story though, because I do talk about the emotional manifestation of disease also, and just the traumas that we carry in the womb space.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: So as I was studying, I was in a course called like the psychology of disease.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it was really more the emotional aspect behind disease.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so next morning after I went to the emergency, I come back to class and I'm in this class with a teacher who's highly intuitive, but she has this huge book.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like this big white book.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was like$300 at the time, and it linked every condition, physical condition to an emotion.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I open the book and I look at uh ovarian cyst on the left side, and it literally said patriarchal rejection.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: No mystery there.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, totally.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's incredible because I do really think every physical pain is just a manifestation of a feeling or an emotion.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's so important to like just acknowledge that, you know, and you don't always have to know exactly what everything is, but at the same time, it's kind of like, what is this trying to tell me?
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: What is the message here?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, TCM, traditional Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, because they actually have care specifically for the womb.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: And and traumas that happened in the womb has also become a big part of acknowledging a piece of my practice that we have to be able to find ways to give the womb healing as well, right?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's also going to be let's take your baby's first home.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, for sure.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that's like something that a lot of people don't understand.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: And also the whole like birth story thing, it's a huge piece of the puzzle.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I think there's so much there that can be like creating these like blocks for people or things that are trying to get their attention.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I think for a lot of women, like manifesting stuff in that area is a way of like really getting your attention to address certain things that you haven't addressed.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it makes so much sense.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Is there anything else that you feel like is relevant just to your journey around healing trauma and like what you created now and just any other results or changes that you want to share about that I might have missed?
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think we covered a good bit.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: I feel so much lighter as a result of the work.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: I feel more empowered that I have tools, like when I'm triggered and I know what to do and like the continuous healing that I need.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think knowing what you need to do is a really big deal, right?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because you can get triggered and just stuck in it and not knowing what to do.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it's okay, now when that trigger comes up, I know that there's that part of me that I need to still attend to.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: I know what my inner child needs now and how that's also impacting like adult 20, 24 and need to.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's really the perspective shifts, the different realizations, the seeing different situations that typically would have happened in the past.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: I react to them completely different now.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like changing the way I interact.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: My energy has shifted.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like things that used to be deeply painful are still painful, but a lot less.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's just a shedding that will happen over time.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's I feel like a lot lighter.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: I feel some of the things that I've wanted to work on, like not abandoning myself, like have gotten stronger in terms of showing up and that being a constant reminder for other areas of my life that I want to be moving forward and making movements in.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: So that's all been really helpful.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think one of the things too that that I love that you said that's so important is that you know how to navigate things now.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the most important thing.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Cause it's not like you're gonna go through the metamorphosis or something and all of a sudden everything, you're never gonna get triggered by anything or you're never gonna be upset.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's more just around knowing what is happening and being able to address it and navigate it.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the biggest thing.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I also would just love to know, too, before we wrap up, as somebody who has invested in doing this work long term, what would you say to the importance of that?
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think that sometimes people just want like a quick fix.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: And also, like sometimes people just dip in and do a little bit of work and it's fine.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: But as somebody who has committed to the long haul, what would you say to just like the importance of that or what you've gotten out of that?
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: I would say it's some of the most important work that I've done because I I was I've always been into personal growth and healing and development, but this area was like so untapped.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to take your relationships to the next level, show up as a different version of yourself.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's also key, right?
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like I doing this work, I always felt attention because there's this point where if you're growing out of who you used to be, and then the becoming is so important because it's like I don't want that person to be running the show anymore.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be seeing things from that lens anymore.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like I want something new.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's my quality of life we're talking about, right?
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: So if I want a different quality of life and I want different results, doing that mind, the stuff in the mind and your internal landscape is such important work to do.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you are somebody that thinks that you've done all the yoga, you've done all the meditation, go on all the retreats, but something is missing, this is different work.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for sharing everything.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: And also, can you just share like where people can find you?
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: And do you have like a session that people can book with you?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, I have two different sessions.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: I have a couple things going on right now.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm working actually on some online courses, which will be available in the new year for women that let's say if you don't want to invest right now in a three-month program where you work with me one-on-one.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: This is a self-pace where it's like the fundamentals of fertility.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: You can go ahead and and and do that at your own pace.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then my own my flow is like an eight-week just improve your menstrual cycle uh program, which will be available as a self-paced course in the new year.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: But right now, people can work with me one-on-one for any issues that you've been having with fertility, if you've been trying for a while or going through multiple rounds of IVF or IUI, and uh you want some more dedicated support, that's a three-month program.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you can find that my social media is the best way to get a hold of me.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: So if you want to follow me, wake underscore up wellness.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then I do have offer some shorter term one-on-ones where if you just want to have a quick call about something that you want to address, I have a 60-minute call and then I'll give you get a protocol and a week long a boxer with me as well.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: So different ways to work with me.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's all in my link tree.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, you can find me on Instagram.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: And thank you for being here and sharing everything.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_02: It was awesome.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think everyone's gonna get a lot out of it.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you as well.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad we were able to chat and connect.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, for sure.
• 54:16
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