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Skye Wheatley’s Embarrassed to be an Influencer, Instagram Models 'Ruin' Australian Fashion Week & Matt Zukowski’s Embarrassing Confession · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. Coming
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  Speaker 1: up on today's show, Sarah's Day teases the gender of
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  Speaker 1: her baby, Instagram models are accused of ruining Australian Fashion Week,
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  Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley says she's embarrassed to be an influencer, and
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  Speaker 1: the real-life Martha from Baby Reindeer is demanding millions for
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  Speaker 1: her interview.
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  Speaker 2: With Piers Morgan. But first.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough's fiance, Matt Sikowsky, has revealed he shat himself
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  Speaker 1: in the car on the way to record a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The former Love Island contestant spent the first five minutes
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  Speaker 1: of his podcast detailing the gross story in a segment
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  Speaker 1: called Ick of the Week. It definitely gave.
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  Speaker 2: Me a massive ick.
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  Speaker 1: So what actually happened? What caused him to shit himself? Well,
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  Speaker 1: he said that he went to fart and then followed through.
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  Speaker 1: And I felt really sorry for his co-host, Anna McEnvoy,
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  Speaker 1: because She copped the first phone call asking if she
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  Speaker 1: had any spare jocks for him. And she didn't. So
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  Speaker 1: he actually had to race into a shopping center in Toorak,
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  Speaker 1: of all places. That's a very fancy suburb in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 1: to go and buy some new undies. So he said
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  Speaker 1: he first disposed of his underpants in the public toilets.
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  Speaker 1: He then went and bought new undies and new trackies
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  Speaker 1: from the shopping center and some gastro stop. Is this
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  Speaker 1: because he's.
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  Speaker 2: Been in Bali? Did he have a case of Bali belly?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Anna McEvoy was a little bit nervous because she
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  Speaker 1: was set to board a flight to Greece for her
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  Speaker 1: wedding after the podcast. And she said, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're not contagious. I'm going to be shitting
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  Speaker 1: on the plane. And he said, well, I was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit worried I would be contagious, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it's from eating a dodgy oyster in Bali on Tammy's
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  Speaker 1: 30th birthday trip. The best bit was when he spoke
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  Speaker 1: about having to call Tammy and tell her the news.
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  Speaker 1: Let's throw to that clip. Imagine like calling your fiance saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you can never believe it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm running through Woolies trying to find a new pair
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  Speaker 3: of underwear.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't fun.
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  Speaker 1: I would be more concerned sharing that information with the
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  Speaker 1: podcast as opposed to my fiance. That being said, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like everyone has a funny poo story, like an
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  Speaker 1: instance where something has hit them when they're in the
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  Speaker 1: car or.
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  Speaker 2: They're out and about. And it's so shameful, but it
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  Speaker 2: does actually happen to everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, props to him for actually going and then recording
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  Speaker 1: the podcast after. He could have easily just driven home. Well, Sophie,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like you want to share one. I definitely
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  Speaker 1: don't want to share one, but I think we've all
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  Speaker 1: had that experience of going to a restaurant. and you've
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  Speaker 1: experienced food poisoning at the restaurant and you're having to
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  Speaker 1: make that dash back home, I think that that is
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  Speaker 1: the most humanising, levelling thing to happen to everyone. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just feeling so sorry for all of the Outspoken listeners
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  Speaker 1: who are probably starting their day with breakfast and listening
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  Speaker 1: to this episode. I want to know what happened to
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  Speaker 1: Matt's car because he said it was liquidy and also
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  Speaker 1: he had to dispose of his track pants.
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  Speaker 2: The track pants as well.
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  Speaker 1: I remember once you got food poisoning, Kate, when we
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  Speaker 1: were all working.
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  Speaker 2: At a bar job.
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  Speaker 1: And we'd driven together and I'd only just recently bought
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  Speaker 1: a brand new car and you're like, can I please
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  Speaker 1: take it?
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  Speaker 2: And I think we made.
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  Speaker 1: The decision that if you got caught short and had
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  Speaker 1: to do business in the car, we would be exchanging cars. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was touch and go. The funniest bit was I
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  Speaker 1: actually wanted, so we had Mazda 2s and I wanted
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  Speaker 1: the black version, which you got. So I was half
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  Speaker 1: tempted to, you know, let things go.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, every second question was this.
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to find out the gender of this baby?
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  Speaker 1: Super sleuths are convinced that Sarah's day is expecting a
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  Speaker 1: baby boy. The fitness influencer uploaded a pregnancy Q &
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  Speaker 1: A to YouTube where she revealed they already know the
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  Speaker 1: gender of the baby. She said it was the most
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  Speaker 1: popular question that she'd received and explained they found out
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  Speaker 1: the baby's gender at around 12 weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 4: We did the NIPT test and I do have a
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  Speaker 4: video of that. I just need to get around to
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  Speaker 4: posting it and announcing the gender of our baby. But
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  Speaker 4: it was really funny and random how it like came out.
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  Speaker 4: Our friends got involved and it just became really spontaneous
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  Speaker 4: and we were really impatient. Anyway, that video is coming.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, we know the gender of our baby.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as I heard that she knew the gender
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  Speaker 1: of the baby, I started listening very intently because she
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  Speaker 1: has been very open about wanting a girl. And I
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  Speaker 1: feel like she would make it quite obvious what she's having.
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  Speaker 1: It would be hard to cover up during the Q &
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  Speaker 1: A when you know what it is. Especially because there
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  Speaker 1: can be gender disappointment when you have been going on
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  Speaker 1: that you're desperate for a girl, that your kids want
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  Speaker 1: a girl. It'd be difficult for her to film that
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  Speaker 1: knowing potentially she's having a boy. Yeah, well, because she
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  Speaker 1: came out a couple of months ago and said that
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  Speaker 1: her eldest son, Fox, was praying for a sister. So
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  Speaker 1: everyone knows deep down she wants a girl.
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  Speaker 2: And she even.
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  Speaker 1: Uploaded a YouTube video entitled, They Want a Sister. So
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  Speaker 1: it's been no secret. Yeah, so it wasn't really surprising
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  Speaker 1: when one of her followers wrote in saying, did you
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  Speaker 1: try and sway the gender in favor of a girl?
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  Speaker 2: Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, no.
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  Speaker 4: Before we conceived this baby, when I was praying about it,
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  Speaker 4: I felt an overwhelming sense of peace that whatever we
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  Speaker 4: get is meant for our family. And I truly believe that.
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  Speaker 4: I just am praying for a healthy pregnancy, a healthy baby.
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  Speaker 4: After Malachi and everything that happened with that pregnancy, truly
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  Speaker 4: just want a healthy baby and to like fly under
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  Speaker 4: the radar with this pregnancy because with both previous pregnancies
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  Speaker 4: I've had different issues arise that have made me high
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  Speaker 4: risk or I've had extra care and extra scans and
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  Speaker 4: I just really want a healthy baby and whatever we're
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  Speaker 4: meant to have we are going to have in this
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  Speaker 4: family and we're going to love our baby whether it's
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  Speaker 4: a girl or a boy so no we didn't try
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  Speaker 4: to sway it and I honestly feel like we got
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  Speaker 4: what we're meant to have.
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  Speaker 1: I actually have a friend who she had two sons
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  Speaker 1: and then they really wanted a girl and they actually
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  Speaker 1: did try all of these different methods to get a
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  Speaker 1: girl and it worked.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: What kind of methods?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's to do with the Chinese moon
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  Speaker 1: calendar or something when you have sex. I have heard
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  Speaker 1: there's different positions that you're more likely to have a
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  Speaker 1: girl in. But yeah, I think there's all these little
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  Speaker 1: wives tales of different ways that you can have a
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  Speaker 1: girl what's 50 50 yeah now my ears did prick
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  Speaker 1: up when sarah said i feel like we've got what
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  Speaker 1: we're meant to have and this is because even before
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  Speaker 1: she had fox she would go on that she knew
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  Speaker 1: she was destined to be a boy mom and have
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  Speaker 1: three sons and super sleuths also picked up in the
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  Speaker 1: comment section that there were a few slips of the
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  Speaker 1: tongue throughout the video so When talking about ovulating, Sarah said,
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  Speaker 1: when I got the same feeling that I got with
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  Speaker 1: my other boy. So the emphasis was on other boys,
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  Speaker 1: inferring maybe this is a boy. See, I'm not convinced.
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  Speaker 1: I think that she is purposely trying to create confusion
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  Speaker 1: for engagement because apparently on one of Sarah's Instagram posts
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  Speaker 1: about her pregnancy, she included three blue love hearts. She
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  Speaker 1: then edited the caption.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that backs up what I was saying.
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  Speaker 1: But then if you let me finish, she's also been
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  Speaker 1: liking comments on Instagram of people saying things like, they
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  Speaker 1: hope she's having a girl or they think that she's
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  Speaker 1: having a girl. So I think she's purposely trying to
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  Speaker 1: create some conversations around it. Am I the only person
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  Speaker 1: who doesn't care what gender she's having? I just, I
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  Speaker 1: can't stand this, the huge fuss that people make over
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  Speaker 1: the gender. You're either going to get one or the
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  Speaker 1: other and you're just blessed to have a baby that
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  Speaker 1: is healthy. I totally get that, but I am heavily
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  Speaker 1: invested on the gender of this baby because she has
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  Speaker 1: been prefacing.
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  Speaker 2: That she wants a baby girl.
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  Speaker 1: She's been using that to clickbait a lot of her
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  Speaker 1: YouTube videos. So I think it will be quite interesting
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  Speaker 1: to see how they react as a family. Well, do
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  Speaker 1: you think she is going to do a gender reveal?
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  Speaker 7: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She said it was actually.
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  Speaker 1: Really random the way it all came together. It sounds
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  Speaker 1: like they've done something with their friends and family and
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  Speaker 1: they have filmed it.
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  Speaker 2: It is filmed. She just needs to edit it.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that we will be potentially getting this
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  Speaker 1: video in the next couple of weeks. Well, that kind
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  Speaker 1: of makes sense why she's trying to sway people one
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  Speaker 1: way and then suddenly going the other way.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually so interested to see how she reacts to
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  Speaker 1: the gender announcement because there's a lot of pressure on her.
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  Speaker 1: She's come out and said that she wants a girl.
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  Speaker 1: So if it comes out that she is having a boy,
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  Speaker 1: is she going to act disappointed? I think there should
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  Speaker 1: be room to be disappointed and be in those feelings though,
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  Speaker 1: which is why I think it is dangerous for people
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  Speaker 1: to film these gender reveals.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that there's.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with having that slight moment of perhaps we
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  Speaker 1: hoped for this and we got that and it changes
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  Speaker 1: our way of what we thought our family would be.
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  Speaker 1: But the uncomfortable thing is putting it out to people
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  Speaker 1: and letting people see that reaction. Can you imagine being
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  Speaker 1: the kid and seeing the gender reveal later on and
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  Speaker 1: the mother's face dropping? Yeah, well, that's why I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: if it is a girl, because I don't think she
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  Speaker 1: would want to make a big deal about it if
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  Speaker 1: she was having a third boy, because people will know
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  Speaker 1: that there is an element of disappointment there.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, Sarah knows that this is her last pregnancy.
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  Speaker 1: She said in this video that pregnancy content is her
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  Speaker 1: favorite type of content to share. So I think that
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  Speaker 1: she will be getting around a lot of the trends
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  Speaker 1: that we're seeing at the moment, and she will be
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  Speaker 1: dropping a lot of clues. One of those clues, which
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  Speaker 1: I think will come after the gender announcement, is the
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  Speaker 1: baby's name.
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  Speaker 2: She did say that now that it is.
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  Speaker 1: Her last pregnancy, she said that now she'll be able
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  Speaker 1: to share a lot of the names that they like
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  Speaker 1: as a but they haven't chosen. Oh, that is such
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  Speaker 1: a trend on TikTok at the moment. I saw M
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  Speaker 1: Davies did a piss take of it and people thought
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  Speaker 1: that she genuinely really liked these names when she didn't.
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting this time is that she is 16 weeks pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: but they haven't decided on a name. With Fox, they
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  Speaker 1: always knew he was going to be called Fox. Malachi's
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  Speaker 1: name apparently came to her in a dream and she's
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  Speaker 1: hoping that this time around the baby's name also comes
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  Speaker 1: to her in a dream. She did say that she
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  Speaker 1: has a genre of names that she likes, but nothing
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  Speaker 1: is set in stone yet. Can we throw around some
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  Speaker 1: names that we think she's going to call the baby?
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  Speaker 1: Because this year we did do a 2024 prediction of
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  Speaker 1: what was going to happen in the influencer world. See,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's too hard before we know the gender.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel confident putting out a name before I
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  Speaker 1: know if this is a boy or a girl, but
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  Speaker 1: it's obviously going to be something unusual. It's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be you know, Tom, Dick or Harry. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a weird name.
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  Speaker 2: So white and Fox.
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  Speaker 1: No, I did see a rumor that she liked the
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  Speaker 1: name Bambi for a girl. I don't think she's going
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  Speaker 1: to do it because of Indy Clinton and also Molly may. However,
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  Speaker 1: I think it could be on an animal theme because
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  Speaker 1: you've got Fox while Malachi means angel. They actually call
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  Speaker 1: him moo. a lot and he apparently likes cows. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking it could be some sort of banyan animal feel.
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  Speaker 1: This is random, but do you think it could be
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  Speaker 1: something like i know that fox loves bluey and just
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  Speaker 1: putting that you're saying a color amy bluey would be
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  Speaker 1: a very popular name because of that show i've never
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  Speaker 1: heard anyone call their child bluey though had she had
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  Speaker 1: the baby a few years ago it might have been
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  Speaker 1: called beige well you've got fox mooey and bluey it
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  Speaker 1: kind of goes fox mooey and bluey it's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: be bluey it would be blue something like blue ivy yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No i'm sick of it i'm sick of it i'm
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  Speaker 5: sick of it i'm sick.
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  Speaker 1: Of it Sky Wheatley says she's embarrassed to be called
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  Speaker 1: an influencer. The winner of I'm a Celeb shared an
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  Speaker 1: honest rant on her Instagram story, declaring dealing with influencers
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  Speaker 1: has made her lose faith in humanity. And this is
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  Speaker 1: why everyone loves Sky Wheatley. She's come out and said
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  Speaker 1: that most influencers are stuck up, entitled, rude, inconsiderate, and
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  Speaker 1: only care about two things, money and fame. She also
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  Speaker 1: said that she's always the first person to support others
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  Speaker 1: in the industry and But over time, when you never
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  Speaker 1: receive the love or support back, you lose faith in humanity.
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  Speaker 1: She finished up by saying, people in the industry are
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  Speaker 1: so rude and selfish, it frustrates the hell out of me.
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  Speaker 1: I want to call people out so badly, but I
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  Speaker 1: won't because I have a brand to uphold and I'm
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  Speaker 1: passionate about being a kind and beautiful person. Unfortunately, not
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  Speaker 1: many people in the industry give a flying fuck about that,
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  Speaker 1: so I refuse to be one of them. She then
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  Speaker 1: teased that she had more dirt, writing, don't even get
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  Speaker 1: me started on the people, that have used me also.
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  Speaker 2: That's a story for a different time.
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  Speaker 1: I would love Sky to spill the tea further. Who
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  Speaker 1: are the influencers she's referring to? I'm assuming this has
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: something to do with her apparel line, Good People Apparel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because she has spoken out on a lot of podcasts
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  Speaker 1: about how she gets frustrated because she will gift influencers
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  Speaker 1: her tracksuits and they'll never post about it. And she's
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: made the effort now that if ever she gets sent something,
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  Speaker 1: she'll at least do a flat lay or post about.
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  Speaker 2: It on an Instagram story.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see recently she got sent some Keisha pyjamas
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  Speaker 1: and she had no idea who Sophie Keisha was? Clearly
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  Speaker 1: something has happened. I do have to give it to
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  Speaker 1: her this time around though. She was much more reserved.
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  Speaker 1: So she actually typed out the rant rather than going
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: rogue and speaking on camera. I miss rogue Sky Wheatley.
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  Speaker 1: She did appear briefly on camera after the story. And
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  Speaker 1: I got really excited thinking that she was going to
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  Speaker 1: name and shame. But her partner, Lockie, told her not
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  Speaker 1: to open up a can of worms. Let's throw to
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  Speaker 1: some of what they said.
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  Speaker 5: So, Dol, how are people in your industry? How do
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  Speaker 5: you find them?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I still deal with.
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  Speaker 5: Human beings, Dol. Yeah, human beings are just, look.
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  Speaker 7: You deal with them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, human beings, though, have always been imperfect people. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they've always been a bit dodgy. They've always been hard
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  Speaker 5: to trust.
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  Speaker 7: You should just stop.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, hey, Joe. Just don't open a can of worms, please.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm sick of it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sick of it, I'm sick of it, I'm sick
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  Speaker 5: of it. I just don't know why it's so hard
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  Speaker 5: to be, I don't know, in simple words, people just
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  Speaker 5: absolutely grind my gears.
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  Speaker 1: It's clear that she is trying to think about this
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  Speaker 1: more strategically and not just put out a rant that
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  Speaker 1: she can't control because she has got so much good
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  Speaker 1: PR out of winning that competition.
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  Speaker 2: She's more in the mainstream now.
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  Speaker 1: So she does have to be careful about how she's
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: going to react to things like these. I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of jealousy going on in the
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  Speaker 1: influencer world because Sky has got such great publicity, Sophie,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, out of appearing on this show. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to share it and help her out
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  Speaker 1: any further. Well, she did mention tall poppy syndrome in
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  Speaker 1: her rant and I do think that she was probably
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: under the impression that winning the title of Queen of
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: the Jungle would get her more cred amongst the influencers. However,
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to have happened. It is interesting because
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  Speaker 1: I do agree with you. I think it must have
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  Speaker 1: something to do with her apparel line. But she isn't
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  Speaker 1: shy in calling influencers out. She was very public with
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: her relationship breakdown with Michael Finch. And if you do
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: think back to when she first started posting on YouTube,
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: It's always seemed like she's a little bit on the outer.
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  Speaker 1: So when she was friends with Sharni Grumman and Michael
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  Speaker 1: Finch and Lily Brown, it always felt like she was
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  Speaker 1: really fighting to be in that group, but never quite
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  Speaker 1: cracked it. I also think she likes being one of
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  Speaker 1: the people. So I think that she knows that her
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: audience are going to respond well to her calling influences out.
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  Speaker 1: And it sort of disconnects herself from that crowd of
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: people a bit more. She would have an audience predominantly
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: made up of mums, I would assume, who would enjoy
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: her having a say. Well, I think she now sees
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: herself as a reality TV star, and I think that
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: has always been a little bit of a difference between her.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: She made it big on Big Brother. She's now won
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: another massive TV show. So she really is in a
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: different genre of influencer now.
• 15:02
  Speaker 7: Okay, so does anyone know who the influencers were that
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: attended Australian Fashion Week this week and left before the
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: Beckenbridge show? This in no way, shape or form affects
• 15:11
  Speaker 7: my life at all. However, I just need to know.
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: I need to know.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: I need to know.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Influencers descended on Australian Fashion Week in their droves last week,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: desperate to get snapped at the invite-only event. While the
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: iconic Sydney fashion event dominated social media feeds, the influencers
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: in attendance were slammed online for ruining the event and
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: lacking diversity. Now, to put this commentary into perspective, I
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: think it is important to discuss the difference between Australian
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Fashion Week and Melbourne Fashion Week, Kate. Yeah, as you
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: touched on, Soph, Australian Fashion Week is an invite-only industry event.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: And the purpose of the event is for designers to
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: showcase collections that are not yet available to the general public.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: So journalists, influencers, content creators, buyers and stylists are invited
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: to get an insight into what is available later in
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: the year so they can begin planning for campaigns and
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: what they want to stock in store. Now there are
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: just two shows during Australian Fashion Week that you can
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: purchase tickets to and on the other hand Melbourne Fashion
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Week is a consumer event that is ticketed and it
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: showcases fashion that is available for purchase in store so
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: they really push you to shop the runway and have
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: real-time purchases. So for this reason the invite list for
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Australian Fashion Week is being heavily scrutinized particularly off the
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: just turned up to be photographed and left the show
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: before they started.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I did see.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Quite a few micro-influencers sneaking to the front row once
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the events were finished and snapping photos there just so.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: That it could look like that that's where they're invited
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: to sit.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: There's just so much smoke and mirrors when it comes
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: to this event. Well, this week, Kate, you shared some
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: photos of some influencers at Australian Fashion Week. And as
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I was scanning through, I was like, all of the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: influencers look the same. They were all blonde, skinny... There
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: was really no diversity. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: diversity going on. It was all the people that you
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: would expect to be at this event. So there were
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: either people who were Instagram models or those who have
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: started their own fashion brand. I was interested to see
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: who Paul Versace invited to his event. So he hosted
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a pre-Australian Fashion Week party at Chin Chin and he
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: actually dressed 10 women for the Carla Zempatti show. And
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: it was just all the people that you're used to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: seeing on his Instagram account.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: A lot of them do.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Look quite similar. So you had Olivia Rogers, Sharni Grumman,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Hannah Del Sasso, Annalise Dallians, Francesca Hung and Tegan Martin
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to name a few. Yeah. And at Fashion Week itself,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: there was the usual crowd. So we saw Sammy Robinson there,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Sophia Begg, Tammy Hembrough, Jade Tunchi, Riley Hempson, Madison Woolley,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Bella Valaris, the Mesquite Twins and also Morgan Waterhouse. I
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: couldn't believe some of the Instagram stories that Morgan was
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: sharing at the event. At one stage, he got one
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: of his friends to film him doing a.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Bit of a catwalk.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: He wasn't on the catwalk, but he was parading around.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: He then had a paper bag that was almost larger
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: than him and was strutting around with that. It was
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: literally the definition of a walking ick. I do wonder
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: if Olivia saw him at the event and thought, bloody hell.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I have dodged a bullet there.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Wait, wait.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: A bigger ick than shitting yourself in your car on
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the way to a podcast recording?
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I actually think it was.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Worse because at least– At least Matt.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Couldn't help being unwell.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Like in this instant, this is a choice.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: That you've made.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: It would have been hard for Olivia to miss him
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: with that big bag walking around. Now, back to the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: lack of diversity, culture writer and slow fashion advocate Maggie
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Zhu shared her frustration on TikTok. So you might recognize
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Maggie as she actually wore this really cool stacked skirt
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: look at Australian Fashion Week that got a lot of
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: traction online. Now, she said that the lack of diversity
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: has always been obvious on the runway, but this year
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it was clear in the street style. Let's throw in
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: some of what she said.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I remember last year, there was a bit of controversy
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: on TikTok, people rightfully calling out the fact that a
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: lot of POC or plus size creators don't really get snapped. Well,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: this year, I feel like the street style is a
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: lot of media publications are just really leaning heavily into
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: like the model of Judy look right street style doesn't
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: seem to be about the style as much rather than
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: oh it's a hot person who photographs well the number
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: of galleries I've opened up and this is from a
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: variety of publications so definitely not just calling out one
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: in particular that are just Very simple, very basic outfits. Again,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I don't mean to say that outfits need to be
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: extravagant or anything, but it's like, it's blatantly obvious that
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: some people were photographed because they were thin and pretty
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: and more often than not white the images that are
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: coming out like are feeling reminiscent of like 2014 tumblr
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: days and it's just like we are going backwards.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Maggie then went on to say there isn't a deficit
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of people of color and plus size created in the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: industry and They just need the opportunity to be shown.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I tend to agree with Maggie because a lot of
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the influencers I saw photographed were wearing quite basic outfits
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: in the scheme of Australian Fashion Week. A bunch of
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: them had been dressed by fast fashion brands like Glasson.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So it was clear that they were only in these
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: photos because they were perceivably hot. Sorry, your analysis just
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: reminds me of all those TikToks where people said they
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: were watching the Met Gala, just judging everyone's outfit while
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: they were just dressed in like trash clothes. Well, comedian
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and fashion icon, Ben Blue, who has over 4 million
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: TikTok followers, actually declared that Instagram models are ruining Australian
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Fashion Week. So he explained that the main reason he
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: likes attending the event is seeing all the crazy outfits
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and experimental fashion. He then said this.
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: And then there's the Instagram models, not specifically Instagram because
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: they're also on TikTok as well. But these are the
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: girls coming in wearing like white box boutique, beginning boutique,
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: which is fine if you want to wear that. But
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: what gets me is how they treat the people that
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: are wearing fun fashion.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Ben then went on to say that while he was
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: being photographed wearing a floral dress from Rachel Burke, he
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: noticed a bunch of Instagram models wearing what he said
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: were basic outfits looking disapprovingly at him.
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: He then said this, I can't tell if they're just
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: jealous because the photographers are focusing on me and not them,
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: or if they just didn't like what I was wearing,
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: which is fine because fashion is subjective. But they parade
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: around Fashion Week as if they are the top, as
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: if they own it, and making fun of the people
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: that are actually wearing fun outfits. And it wasn't even
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: just me that they were making fun of. Like I
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: saw it happen to multiple people. Like to be honest,
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: it's probably just like a lot of ego concentrated into
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: the one section. But how dare you come to Fashion
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: Week and act that way towards people that are wearing
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: actually fun fashion. Australian Fashion Week is for fashion, not
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: for your ego.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I think that's so sad because Australian Fashion Week is
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: somewhere where you should feel comfortable to express yourself in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: your clothes and have a bit of fun. I do
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: enjoy the fact that TikTok keeps providing us with the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: goods from behind the scenes, all of the influencer drama
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: at Fashion Week because stylist Jamie Lee shared a video
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: that is gaining a lot of traction about what it's
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: really like behind the scenes at some of the runway shows.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So in the TikTok, she shared that she saw two
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: influencers taking photos of themselves on the runway before the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Beckenbridge show. Then apparently they returned to their seats and said, okay,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: should we go and get dinner now? Let's throw to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: more of what Jamie said.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: So It is such a huge privilege to even get
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: to be invited to one of these shows during Fashion Week.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: There are capacity limits on the venues and there are
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: only so many people who get to go. And of course,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: that means that there are plenty of people who want
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: to go who do not get to attend. So like
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: I said, it is a huge privilege to actually even
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: get invited to the show and to be able to
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: see the designers' new collection, to be able to support them.
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: And it's also a great opportunity to get a sense
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: of the trends that are going to be coming up
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: in the fashion landscape.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Where you live.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: So the fact that these girls weren't even bothered to
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: see the show, that they just wanted to be there,
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: take the photos so that they could post it on
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: social media and then leave. I just feel like that
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: was so, so disrespectful.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Jamie Lee finished up saying that she'd never seen the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: girls before and wasn't sure who they were, but was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: absolutely gobsmacked by what she saw. I have been loving
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the commentary on TikTok because people have made videos off
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the back of this being like, who is it? I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: need to know. Like, does anyone know? And people have
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: been putting guesses down, but... there has not been any
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: confirmation of who those two influencers were. While I don't
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: think that that's appropriate behavior for an event like this
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: where it is invite only, I can understand sometimes when
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you're invited to something that you don't necessarily want to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: go to and you You know, the option of going
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: out to dinner afterwards is like elusive.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: You're like, let's get the fuck.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Out of here.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Let's snap a photo.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but how pissed off would you be if you're
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the brand and you've given these influencers the tickets and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: all that?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like cheating on a school assignment.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: They've just gone and taken the photo, but they haven't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: actually sat there and watched it. It shows how fake
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the whole world is.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You look at it and think, wow, they must be
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: having the time of their lives at this event. But really,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: it's all about they're all sitting on their phones, editing
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: photos of themselves, not actually engaged in anything that's going on.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Or just wanting to show off that they're there, but
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: then not actually sit there and consume the content. The
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: thing is, should we be blaming the influencers or the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: people that invited them? Because PR teams need to take notice. Yeah. Hopefully,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Beckenbridge's PR team have noted down who it was that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: did this and they are not going to be on
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the invite list again. What do they have to do
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: next time though? You know, like how offices are tracking
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: people working from home by scheduling in Zoom meetings? Like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: do they need to schedule in something after the runway show?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: They're probably just.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Happy that they shared about their event because at the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: end of the day, if these two influencers came along
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and they were glued to the show.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And, you know, they stayed and spoke to everyone... but
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: didn't put up a post, they'd be in more trouble.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe they need to serve food at the event.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of people were hungry.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe everyone's angry and hangry.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think this is just a reflection of what
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Fashion Week has turned into? What, an event for poses?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's always been that, to be fair.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: But I think what's happening now is that the space
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: is being infiltrated by influencers who perhaps are too young
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to be appreciative and respect those who have been in
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the industry, who are out there showcasing amazing outfits. the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: discussion we've had recently, Sophie, with some of our clients
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: about events, you need to have an equal amount of
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: influencers there and also industry folk and also journalists, because
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: what a lot of our clients have found is they'll
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: hold events and the feedback is that no one really
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: wants to talk to the influencers because they don't really
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: give people much.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not even that they don't want to talk
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: to them.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: It's that a lot of the influencer groups are very clicky.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And I think it comes probably with the job, because
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: if you think about the job of an influencer, you're
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: at home.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Obsessing over yourself.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I say that in the sense of you're uploading
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: content about yourself.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: It's very insular.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe they don't have the skills necessarily to be confident
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and speak to people outside of their circles. Now, while
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: it seemed like every influencer and their dog was invited
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to Australian Fashion Week, there was a select group who
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: were allegedly barred from attending. So a source told the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail Australia that controversial couple Tori Adams and Jack
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Dunkley were among the blacklisted maths contestants. So A source
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: was quoted as saying, the designers want nothing to do
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: with fame-hungry Mavs stars desperate to be seen at Fashion Week. Now,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: other blacklisted stars included Ben Walters, Ellie Dix, Jonathan McAloy
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and Collins Christian. That follows on from the Logies banning
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Mavs contestants as well. Well, I can kind of see
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: why because they're already copping flat from finding all of
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: these Instagram models and you don't need these reality stars
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: causing drama as well.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: A lot of people said you just did it for clicks.
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: Well, I have a YouTube channel called Piers Morgan Uncensored
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: and I want people to click on it. Yeah, shock horror.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: The real-life woman who inspired the hit Netflix show Baby
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Reindeer is now demanding £ 1. 25 million from Piers Morgan. Fiona
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Harvey says she was offered just £ 250 for her exclusive
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: interview which aired on Piers Morgan's YouTube channel and has
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: since racked up more than 11 million views. Now, I
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: noticed that you said she was offered 250 pounds. Does
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that mean she was eventually paid it after the interview?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Well, she told the.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Daily Record that she turned down the cash offer and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: is now instead seeking over a million pounds in payment.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that once you've done
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the interview.
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: No.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Bargaining is done before you.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Sit down and do the interview.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've decided that that interview is actually worth a
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: million pounds now. Well, she gave the quote saying, they
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: offered me 250 pounds and I asked if that was
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: what they paid everyone. And if so, I wanted to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: see documentation to that effect. The documentation has not been forthcoming.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I have not signed a contract for the interview and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'll be seeking far more than a piddly 250 pounds.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'd settle for a million dollars. Wait a sec. Isn't
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: she a lawyer? Shouldn't she realize that if she has
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: no contract with the network, there is no way she's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: going to now suddenly get.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Paid a million pounds.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And that's after the work's been done.
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: You've already done the interview. You can't negotiate after you've
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: done what they wanted you to do. Now, Piers recently
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: did appear on British Morning Show Lorraine and said this
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: about Fiona's demands.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: What was she like?
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, behind the scenes, when she came in,
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: and you know she wants a million pounds off you.
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: I do. Is that going to happen? No, she's not
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: going to get a million pounds. She's not going to
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: get a million pounds. What she wants is an agent.
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: But actually, no, we give her the same amount we give,
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: I would say, 95% of all our guests. And we
• 28:46
  Speaker 9: don't discuss terms, but we paid her to have a
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: nice haircut and a car and everything else. I think
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: we've performed our duty of care. We've stayed in touch
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: with her since. And she's given some lively, provocative interviews.
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: But when she came to the studio, she was actually
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: relatively normal. I didn't get any sign of somebody who
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: I thought was mentally unwell.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: It's pretty funny because Pierce has actually had to come
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: out and clarify that he wasn't really aware of how
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: big Baby Reindeer was and had to be persuaded to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: have Fiona on the show in the first place. Do
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you think that's correct? Because he's copping a lot of
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: flack for allowing her to be on his show. Is
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: this his way of backtracking and being like, oh, I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: had no idea who she was? It's not his way
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of backtracking. I think he was just one of those
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: people who hadn't happened to have watched the show yet
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: because he said that he is so relieved that his
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: staff talked him into it because it's the biggest thing
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: he's ever been involved in. And maybe that's why initially
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: he didn't offer her a huge amount of money because
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't realize how big it was for him
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: to get her on the show. Yeah, but he's not
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the one that would be dealing with the negotiations. The
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: whole team would have negotiated with her and they clearly
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: have struck up a pretty good deal for them only
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: having paid her 250 pounds. See, I think that this
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: is a whole lot of shit and he definitely knew
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: who he was dealing with and that they worked really
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  Speaker 1: hard to persuade her to get her on the show.
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  Speaker 1: It's a massive win for them.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel.
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  Speaker 1: Uncomfortable that she is now demanding this money and I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it makes her look any.
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  Speaker 2: Better in the grand scheme of things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she wasn't really looking very good off the back
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  Speaker 1: of the interview. I think this has only continued to
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  Speaker 1: discredit her and make her look very money hungry, particularly
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  Speaker 1: because she is suing for defamation. But is it just
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to get more attention? Is this just to create more headlines?
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  Speaker 1: Because anybody would look at that and go, you obviously
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  Speaker 1: are not entitled to a million pounds.
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  Speaker 2: It just seems ridiculous. I just think her story doesn't
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  Speaker 2: add up.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like she really is using this Martha character
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  Speaker 1: to her advantage, which really goes against the whole lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: for saying, oh, I've been defamed because you are now
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  Speaker 1: trying to make all this money out of it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what's probably happened that she's had people
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  Speaker 1: reach out to her and say, do you realize how
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: much money you could have made off that interview?
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  Speaker 2: And you've just screwed yourself over.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Since the interview, as we touched on last week, a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people have been putting memes out saying that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Piers better watch his back because Fiona's after him next.
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  Speaker 1: He was quizzed on The Morning Show about whether he
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: was fearful of that scenario playing out.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what he said.
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  Speaker 9: I've interviewed serial killers, psychopaths. I've interviewed people who have
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  Speaker 9: done terrible things. She's not one of those. So I've
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: had far scarier environments in which I've interviewed people. I
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: felt it was important that she would be allowed to
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: have her say because she'd already been revealed by the
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  Speaker 9: media as the real-life Martha, but she had no ability
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: to tell her story.
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  Speaker 1: Piers has been playing it quite well in the media
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  Speaker 1: because you can see he's trying to push the agenda
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that one, you know, they did the right thing in
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: providing her with a voice and two, saying that when
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: she came in, she didn't appear to be mentally unwell.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: You can see he's subtly trying to push that rhetoric
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: that they did the right thing. I really want to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: know when Richard Gadd is going to break his silence
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  Speaker 1: about this interview because He was interviewed before Fiona's exclusive
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  Speaker 1: was aired and he was asked if he'd been following
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: how Fiona Harvey had been outed as being the real
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: life Martha. He did dodge the question saying, I can't
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: confirm or deny anything relating to the real life people
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  Speaker 1: who the characters.
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  Speaker 2: Are based on in the show.
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  Speaker 1: I know for every single part, there's been about five
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: or six people who have been sort of named as
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: each part, even all the way down to the pub manager. Now,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: during that same interview, he also urged internet sleuths to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: stop looking for the show's real life counterparts. He said,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: if I wanted the real life people to be found,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I would have made it a documentary. He continued saying,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I wanted the show to be received as a piece
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  Speaker 1: of art. It exists in a sort of fictional realm,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: even though it's based on truth. Let's enjoy the world
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that I've created. But yet it's advertised as a real
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: story on Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that is a confusing thing, saying it's in a
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: fictional realm.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.
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