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Chuck’s Commentary - Bari Weiss Burns The Credibility Of CBS News + Trump Wasted The "Honeymoon" Phase Of His Presidency · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: of some headlines over the last forty eight hours. I
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  Speaker 1: want to get to a little bit on Epstein, a
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  Speaker 1: with the person that you don't want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: love more than these next two weeks because on a
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  Speaker 1: random Tuesday afternoon, you flip on ESPN and there's a
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  Speaker 1: bowl game. So this is the part. As much as
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  Speaker 1: these meaningless bowl games are becoming more meaningless all the time,
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  Speaker 1: when you're at home with relatives and you need that
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  Speaker 1: throwing a football game on. So even these bad Netflix
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  Speaker 1: games that the NFL for Netflix, right, they'd like to
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  Speaker 1: swap those out or get a refund for these, right,
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  Speaker 1: But so that's how I will orchestrate that sports update.
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  Speaker 1: But let me just kick off a little bit with
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  Speaker 1: this mess that is sixty minutes Barry Weiss and the
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  Speaker 1: controversy around it. For me, this is a welcome to
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL moment for Barry Weiss. Look, she
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  Speaker 1: is not the first news executive brought in to run
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  Speaker 1: a television network who has no clue how television works.
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  Speaker 1: And I say this not trying to take a shot
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  Speaker 1: at her being snarky, but this is her inexperience as
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  Speaker 1: a newsleader sort of to me shown through here from
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  Speaker 1: what we know, first of all, understanding sort of the
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  Speaker 1: intricacies of what it takes to put together a television piece.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating. There was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of snobbery news snobbery, which is something that I used
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  Speaker 1: to have until I got into the TV business. But
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  Speaker 1: one of her critiques of the piece was that all
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  Speaker 1: of this was reported in the New York Times, as
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  Speaker 1: if if the New York Times reported it, you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: bother sharing it with the rest of the world. May
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  Speaker 1: mean the whole point of why she started the free press, right.
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  Speaker 1: The whole point of you know, is sort of we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to broaden the aperture of news consumption in a
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  Speaker 1: news consumption in America, right, not narrow it down. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: New York Times readers might have known this story, what
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  Speaker 1: about everybody else? No offense to New York Times readers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm one of them. I'm a subscriber. But it's a
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  Speaker 1: very narrow set of Americans. It's a it's an influential
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  Speaker 1: set of Americans. The New York Times has influence, and
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  Speaker 1: there is a reminder that when The New York Times
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  Speaker 1: reports something, eventually other news organizations are going to do
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  Speaker 1: with their own version of the story and making a
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  Speaker 1: putting as putting a story that appeared in the New
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  Speaker 1: York Times, but put giving visual elements to it can
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  Speaker 1: be sometimes more powerful than the original story itself. So
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  Speaker 1: that critique really struck me as her not understanding what
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  Speaker 1: her mission actually is at a news division. Right, Is
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  Speaker 1: you there to broadly inform everybody that is there, or
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  Speaker 1: are you there to make an assumption that people already
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  Speaker 1: know certain things? And that to me is a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a yellow flag on her news instincts. Now, she
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  Speaker 1: may have just said that as part of an email
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  Speaker 1: that she knew was to go public. Obviously, what doesn't
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  Speaker 1: look good for her on this is the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she missed four screenings of this piece and then weighed
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  Speaker 1: in very late, basically less than forty eight hours than
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  Speaker 1: when the piece was going to air. So oh, she
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  Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of complaints from people inside the administration,
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  Speaker 1: and there were a few complaints that she thought rank
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  Speaker 1: pretty true, like hey, they didn't have a voice in
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  Speaker 1: the piece, or they didn't have this. And I think
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  Speaker 1: she's right that it could use a voice. It certainly
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  Speaker 1: would improve the piece. But when you come in that
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  Speaker 1: late in the process, it certainly looks like you've let
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  Speaker 1: outsiders manipulate the process, whether or not that's true, and
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  Speaker 1: it's her timing of it. Now, So I think a
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  Speaker 1: few things here. Let's take her at face value. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she wants to be seen as a political pawn. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I have some of you may have a very
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  Speaker 1: snarky view of her that she just wants to be
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  Speaker 1: an apparatic. I don't believe that. I believe she thinks
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  Speaker 1: she can do this better. What I do believe is
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  Speaker 1: she does not understand how the television network works. She
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  Speaker 1: may very well want to change how network television works
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  Speaker 1: and how news gathering work. God bless her. Okay, I've
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  Speaker 1: certainly had my share of inexperience. I dealt with my
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  Speaker 1: share of inexperienced news executives. The ones that came in
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  Speaker 1: and experienced, who wanted to who were good, actually spent
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  Speaker 1: time trying to get to know parts of the news
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  Speaker 1: division that they knew themselves they wanted to get rid of.
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  Speaker 1: But you actually have to try to work and figure
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  Speaker 1: out how they were. The bad news executives that I
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  Speaker 1: dealt with, and I had quite a few of them,
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  Speaker 1: I would say about half figured it out the right
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  Speaker 1: way and half figured it out the wrong way. About
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  Speaker 1: half of them came in thinking they already knew how
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  Speaker 1: to do this, and they were going to come and
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  Speaker 1: they were there to break eggs, and they weren't going
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  Speaker 1: to bother worrying about institutional norms, etc. But you're going
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  Speaker 1: to get pushback, right, You're going to get resistance when
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  Speaker 1: you have a lot of particularly at a broadcast news
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  Speaker 1: network where there's a lot of really smart, talented people
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  Speaker 1: who frankly probably would be more qualified to run the
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  Speaker 1: news division. But they're on personalities, and you know, they're
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  Speaker 1: not just to be treated like actors in a sitcom.
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  Speaker 1: And there's sort of two types of news executives I
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  Speaker 1: came across. There was the news executive that assumed people
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  Speaker 1: that were on air just read the reporting of other
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  Speaker 1: people's work. And then there were those that actually respected
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  Speaker 1: the fact that the people that could narrate a story
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  Speaker 1: could also work a story behind the scenes as well.
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  Speaker 1: And so this rings of somebody who just didn't fully
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  Speaker 1: understand how the system worked. Now, this is where you
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  Speaker 1: can't you have to you cannot discount the outside atmosphere
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  Speaker 1: that was developing over the last month. You had President
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  Speaker 1: Trump twice complain about sixty minutes pieces that he didn't like,
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  Speaker 1: and he said the new owners haven't made a difference.
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  Speaker 1: It was in some ways he when he said nice
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  Speaker 1: things about the Netflix bid to acquire Warner Brothers, it
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  Speaker 1: was almost implied he's mad at the Ellisons anyway, type
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  Speaker 1: of mindset. So you have the fact that he's already
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  Speaker 1: complained about two specific pieces, the Marjorie Taylor Green one
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  Speaker 1: from a couple weeks ago, being the most prominent. Then
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  Speaker 1: you have the situation where the Ellisons are desperate to
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  Speaker 1: see if they can get their hands on all of
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  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers. They're trying to up their bid. They're trying
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  Speaker 1: to make their access to government approval for their bid
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  Speaker 1: as a sweetener to the Warner Brothers shareholders in order
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  Speaker 1: to say, hey, look, Netflix is going to have a
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  Speaker 1: harder time with this. Well, in order for that to happen,
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  Speaker 1: they've got to appease this administration. So, whether this stuff
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  Speaker 1: is having an impact or not, there is a perception
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  Speaker 1: that it is going to and there's certainly that perception
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  Speaker 1: could turn into questions that come from Democrats in Congress.
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  Speaker 1: The point is, a smart leader tries to get ahead
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  Speaker 1: of this somebody who and I think I have no
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  Speaker 1: doubt that Barry Wise is a smart person here, but
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  Speaker 1: she just how do you not you know, there's really
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  Speaker 1: only one program that CBS News is going to be
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  Speaker 1: judged on as far as anybody is concerned, right, Critics
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  Speaker 1: of CBS News, supporters of CBS News, critics of the President,
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  Speaker 1: supporters of the president. It's sixty minutes, So how are
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  Speaker 1: you not more involved in understanding every piece that they're
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  Speaker 1: working on, so to weigh in as late as she
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  Speaker 1: did to kill the peace just screams of outside interference
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that she didn't see that coming. Either
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  Speaker 1: maybe she did see that coming and she had no
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  Speaker 1: choice in the matter, or she didn't see that coming
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  Speaker 1: and she was a bit unprepared for the situation, which
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  Speaker 1: would tell me that's a bit naive. Look, there's a
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  Speaker 1: few things that you that I think are going to
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  Speaker 1: be fair questions to Raith. Can she run CBS News
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  Speaker 1: and the Free press at the same time? Is is
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  Speaker 1: she over? I mean, this news is not a large
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  Speaker 1: operation compared to NBC News. CBS News is a lot
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  Speaker 1: a large operation compared to ABC News, it's a much
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  Speaker 1: smaller operation. So, you know, so to me not being
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  Speaker 1: able to be on top of what they're producing. They
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  Speaker 1: don't have a twenty four hour news channel. Yes they
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  Speaker 1: have a CBS Digital. But her not being on top
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  Speaker 1: of this, you have to ask, is she distracted by
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  Speaker 1: other stuff? Why hasn't she figuring this out? Why hasn't
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  Speaker 1: Why didn't she know what was happening inside these stories
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  Speaker 1: quickly and know the rhythm of it? So I think
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  Speaker 1: it exposes Look, I think there's a there's plenty that
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  Speaker 1: we don't know, but she is, you know, she is
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  Speaker 1: now in a really rough position. She's lost the trust
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  Speaker 1: of the journalists at the single most important institution inside
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  Speaker 1: of CBS News in that's sixty minutes. Anything they do
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  Speaker 1: now is going to be seen through a political lens,
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  Speaker 1: no matter what that they're appeasing one side. They're in
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  Speaker 1: the worst of all worlds now, And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: go back to to this simple inexperience, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: this screams up. Look, I could there's a there's another
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  Speaker 1: part of me that's could easily be celebrating this moment
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  Speaker 1: once again, corporate owned, corporate owned media is going to
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  Speaker 1: let you down. I did not think this was the case,
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  Speaker 1: but this is now the case in the Trump era,
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  Speaker 1: where these parent companies do not care whether their journalistic
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  Speaker 1: institutions have credibility with the whitest swath of Americans or not.
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  Speaker 1: That they only want to cater to one side politically,
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  Speaker 1: and they want to be a part of essentially influencing
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  Speaker 1: the country rather than reflecting and reporting on the country.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a part of me that would love
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  Speaker 1: to sit here and gloat and just say, look, this
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  Speaker 1: is yet another reason you're going to have some skepticism
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  Speaker 1: of this corporate owned media structure that we've seen. I
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  Speaker 1: will be honest with you, I'm skeptical. I'm mostly impressed
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  Speaker 1: with Washington Post reporting. I'm very skeptical of its editorial page.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like it's been it is not an honest
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  Speaker 1: editorial page, that it is essentially manipulated with a point
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  Speaker 1: of view that the owner that somebody wants to appease
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  Speaker 1: an owner or a piease somebody. You now are going
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  Speaker 1: to have skepticism about what CBS News does. I already
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  Speaker 1: know that there. We've already seen Disney do what it
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  Speaker 1: did with the George Stephanoppolis situation, calling into question their
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  Speaker 1: support of ABC News. We've seen what Comcast did with MSNBC,
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  Speaker 1: trying to spin it out and get rid of it
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  Speaker 1: and separating it out from NBC. You can look at
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  Speaker 1: that through the prism of there just looking to a
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  Speaker 1: p's and playcate the current administration. So we are we
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  Speaker 1: are in a situation where all of these stories have
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  Speaker 1: added to the public's distrust. And it's frustrating to me
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  Speaker 1: because I many people look at me and still see
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  Speaker 1: me as a quote member of so called mainstream media.
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  Speaker 1: I promise you I I tried really hard. I spoke
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  Speaker 1: out when I thought it was necessary. So I know
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  Speaker 1: that moment that Sharon ALFONSI, you know, you make that decision.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an easy decision because you're never you know,
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  Speaker 1: her career is never going to be the same at CBS.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we'll see does she out last Barry Weiss
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  Speaker 1: or does Berry Weis's outlast her? On that front, I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea what her contract situation is or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, but ultimately, executives don't like to be shown
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  Speaker 1: up by their employees, and so eventually that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you feel the
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  Speaker 1: need to stick up for the journalists and the organization.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what makes when you're a publicly traded
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  Speaker 1: company owning a journalist journalistic institution, you have a choice
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  Speaker 1: to make. Right are you going to stand by? Journalism
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  Speaker 1: is not meant to be popular. I always say this,
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  Speaker 1: journalists are not meant to be if you are doing
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  Speaker 1: this to be popular. And this is why this whole,
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  Speaker 1: in this whole algorithmic driven nature of our news consumption
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  Speaker 1: really bothers me because it it sort of fuses popularity
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  Speaker 1: with news consumption, which is a huge mistake for journalism.
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  Speaker 1: If you're doing your journalism based on what you think
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  Speaker 1: is going to be popular, you're not going to do
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  Speaker 1: good journalism because you're going to be constantly worried about
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  Speaker 1: what an audience thinks, either an audience of one in
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  Speaker 1: the case of the White House, or a larger audience
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  Speaker 1: in the case if you're a partisan news channel MS
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  Speaker 1: NOW or Fox News, where you don't want to quote
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  Speaker 1: alienate your viewers and alienate that the audience that you have.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is a huge concern with you to influences.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a huge concern with some substackers where
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: you have essentially audienced capture on this front. So, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be in the journalistic space and you
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  Speaker 1: want to be a journalist, grow a thick skin and
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  Speaker 1: don't worry about being popular or not. Over time and honest, straightforward,
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  Speaker 1: no bullshit talking journalists is going to accumulate trust. Trust
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  Speaker 1: is more important than popularity. That I promise you trust
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  Speaker 1: is more important popular. It's at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I think about. I'd rather I'd rather tell
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  Speaker 1: you honest information that make you feel good when I
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  Speaker 1: don't think what you want to hear to feel good
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  Speaker 1: is actually accurate, you know, do I want to present
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  Speaker 1: it in such a way where it's easy to consume,
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  Speaker 1: where it isn't doesn't feel like your own personal points
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  Speaker 1: of view are being attacked when you're hearing information that
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  Speaker 1: runs counter to your beliefs. Yes, I think there are
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  Speaker 1: better ways to present information. I think there are more
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  Speaker 1: detached ways to present information. I think one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that we collectively didn't do well and we let hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump can can make anybody emotionally, you know, go Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: you know that. I don't know, but you got to
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  Speaker 1: do your best sometimes to check yourself and try to
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  Speaker 1: detach yourself from certain things, right if you really want
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  Speaker 1: to be a referee like journalist, where you're just calling
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  Speaker 1: it like you see it pure in something and at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's what I'm doing here.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm saying it. In some ways. If
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  Speaker 1: you're in the independent space, you know nothing nothing like
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  Speaker 1: the self destruction of more corporate owned media like CBS
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  Speaker 1: News as being helpful to the to the cause. But
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I will tell you this, there's a reason why independent
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: media is growing the way it is growing, because I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: think you have corporations that don't care about their news
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  Speaker 1: divisions anymore. And at the end of the day, they
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: will use them if it helps them for their business,
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  Speaker 1: and they will discard them the second they become they
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  Speaker 1: interfere with their business. And look, I get it. They
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  Speaker 1: have a fetis share responsibility their shareholders, not to you.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: The American public Ultimately independent own journalistic operations. I do
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  Speaker 1: think have more concern about the public as a whole
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: than any donor any subscriber, any shareholder, And so in
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that sense, yesterday was just another bad day for legacy
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  Speaker 1: media and another good day for the rise of independent media.
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  Speaker 1: something you should really think about, especially if you've got
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  Speaker 1: a growing family. Speaking of the obsession of independent media,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I would say the Epstein files are certainly falling into
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: that category. And look, we're seeing, as I outlined to
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: you a couple of days ago. You know, none of
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: us should be shocked that the Justice Department front loaded
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: all things build Clinton on day one and are going
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: to release whatever it is that might be damning to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump much closer to Christmas. Okay, but look, everybody's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: still pouring through it. This is you know, I have
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: my you know, I don't think I don't think this
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: is going to somehow change minds and what people believe
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: regarding Epstein, but I do think it what it has
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: done to create division inside the Trunk Coalition certainly makes
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it extraordinarily politically relevant. But the fact that on Tuesday,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: on Festivus Day, the airing of the grievance Day, the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Justice Department put out the following statement after they released another,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm just going to read it to you as
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a whole, because it's the fact that the Department of
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Justice put out this statement is both laughable and notable
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: here it is the Department of Justice is officially released
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: nearly thirty thousand more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Some of these documents contain untrue and cessationalist claims made
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: before the twenty twenty election. To be clear that the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: claims are unfounded and false, and if they had a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: President Trump already. Nevertheless, out of our commitment to the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: law and transparency, the DOJ is releasing these documents with
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the legally required protections for Epstein's victims. The year began
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: with a huge opportunity for Trump on this runt Excuse me, No,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that was one other line that I had written for myself.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So there you have it. The Department of Justice put
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: out a statement that sounded like it came from Trump's
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: defense attorney. Oh wait, Trump's former defense attorney? Is it
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the Department of Justice as a deputy attorney general. The
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: point is there's a lot of today. The release on
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Tuesday is a reminder that there's a lot more damaging
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: allegations and innu window and unant, so we say unresolved
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: what would you call them? Sort of unclear rationales for
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: why Donald Trump spent so much time with Jeffrey Epstein
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: on his plane and things like this, and the various
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: accusations that came with him. But it's interesting because think
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: about this. In theory, everything in that's been released should
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: fall under Hey, some of these documents contain untrue, in
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: cessationalist claims that made against President Clinton, some of them
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: made against Alan Dershowitz, against Prince Right. Not every allegation
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: made against any of these folks, not all of them
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: have been proven, but it's notable that they only single
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: out Donald Trump, which tells you it was a statement
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: for an audience of one. But in some ways the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: note itself actually perhaps and maybe this was by design,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and maybe I'm naive on this one, but actually the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: statement oddly says, Okay, today's the day you're going to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: see a lot more Trump stuff, and it's not going
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to be a great day for Donald Trump. But I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: do think this is one of those stories that is
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: more of an obsession with people that are obsessed with
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: this story, and it's hard to imagine it's going to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: change the larger narrative, but clearly it rattles Donald Trump.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And that brings me to before I get to the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: conversation with Mike Pesco, where we sort of talk about
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that I've already mentioned now, future
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of journalism, independent media versus corporate owned media, things like that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: It sort of step back a little bit and think
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: about how the year began and think about the opportunity,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and it goes back to, you know, and why I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: think this has been such a di astros year politically
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: for Donald Trump and the Republicans because it began with
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: such an opportunity. He came into office within some ways,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: more of a mandate than he had gotten in his
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: first election in twenty sixteen. He had extraordin there was
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: an extraordinarily unpopular president he was following. That's a big
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: difference in twenty sixteen, right, Barack Obama was a popular
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: president personally in some ways. Probably you know, he left
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: with a pretty high job rating and a pretty high
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: personal rating. This case, right, he's following a president with
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a pretty low job rating in a pretty low personal rating.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: You know, the way Biden laughed really ugly. Just a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: terrible last six months being pushed out of his office,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: just looking weak, and then of course the return of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. In some ways his fingerprints are as much
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: on Trump's ability to get back here than any other.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So the point was Trump came in with a huge opportunity,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: sort of like Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty. You know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: people just found the Jimmy Carter presidency unpopular. They were
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: ready to turn the page. So the opportunity for a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: honeymoon was big. And if you look at sort of frankly,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden had the same opportunity. And it
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: is interesting to me that Donald Trump's second term and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden's one term in the first year of their
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: presidency pretty much are mirror images of each other. They
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: both had sort of one issue that sort of quickly
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: severed whatever mild hope voters, at least swing voters had
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that the presidency could be somewhat successful. Right with Joe Biden,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: it was the Afghanistan withdrawal, and for Donald Trump, it
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: was Liberation Day. And there's no doubt Liberation Day was
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: sort of the first hit. And he ever recovered from
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Liberation Day because the economy didn't really the economy just
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: kept getting sort of uneven, and those that were not
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: doing well continued to not doing well. Those that were
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: doing well could continue to do well thanks to the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: superinvestments of AI. So the opportunity Trump had at the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: start of his term versus what he where he is now,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I think you should and at this point it becomes
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it becomes hard to recover without sort of an outsized
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: event to sort of change the narrative. Right. And when
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I say outside event, you know, to me, it's it's
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: outside even the broad brushes of what you might be predicting, right,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: it's just something you know, out of the ordinary. The
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: way the pandemic hit that it was not on anybody's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: bingo card, and it ended up exposing Trump's inability to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: be a leader in a moment of crisis. And that,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it is why I think he he
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: lost that first reelection. So I think when you look
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: at sort of the big picture here, he really he
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: had an opportunity. He had an opportunity to solidify his
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: imprint on the conservative movement. He had a chance to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: sort of keep Democrats sort of fraying. He could have
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: done some things that could have potentially splintered the Democratic coalition.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: A good leader would have actually looked for Democrats. You know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: he had very small majorities, and he'd have tried to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: find some Democratic allies more as an attempt to try
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to splinter the party, you sort of break people off
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to try to work with him, and he chose not
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: to do any of that right. Instead, he came in
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of retribution. It's clear that that was much
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: more front and center for him. The pardons, the naming
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: everything after himself, off, the bulldozing. I mean, in that sense,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: he's he's made it really hard. He's made it really
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: hard to look at this as anything other than through
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the prism of his own narcissism. And the irony is
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that had he been sort of a leader with a vision,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: had he cared about sort of building a Republican party
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that could last beyond his years, he would have, i think,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: be governed a lot differently. In the first six months,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: how they you know, he was so anxious, and maybe
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: this has to do with him feeling that he waited
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: too long to do things in the first term, and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: maybe it's mortality getting to him and he's afraid that,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't have a full four years. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but how he's gone about
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: this where he's obsessed with quickly putting his name on things,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: quickly being able to get notoriety, desk for a Nobel
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Peace Prize, desperate to see his name associated with some
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: sort of legacy thing like putting you Right now, people
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: are up in arms about the renaming of the Kennedy
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Center after him. Remember he did this with the US
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Institute of Peace, a institute that he defunded and tried
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to get rid of, but instead slapped his name on
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it so that he could have the words peace and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump in the same sentence. So when you look
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: at this year in total, and you look at him
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: with a job rating in the very low forties, rating
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: on the economy and the load to mid thirties, it
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: is a reminder that Donald Trump did not win the
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden lost
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, just like Joe Biden made
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the mistake of believing he won in twenty twenty when
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that was not the case. Donald Trump lost in twenty twenty,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: just like Hillary Clinton lost in twenty sixteen. All right, obviously,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: what do I mean by that? Well, the voter knew
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: who they didn't want as president, and the voters were
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: willing to roll the dice with an unknown or roll
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the dice with what they thought was a known quantity
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the second time. Right the first time, Hey, let's disrupt things.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: We kind of know what a Hillary Clinton presidency is
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: going to look like. We have no idea what a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Trump president's going to look like. And we're kind of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: in a cranky, grumpy mood. This economy kind of sucks.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I wish it were better. I don't like this. I
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: don't like that. I certainly don't want to return to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: some sort of Clinton status quo. Okay, so you understood that. Well,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: then incomes, you know, the pandemic happens. You're like, oh
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: my god, we're in a moment of crisis. This guy
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: can't make the trains run on time. And it was
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: just like, can you just give me a functional bureaucrat.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden thirty plus years experience, seemed like that functional
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: democrat to just make sure we can get some COVID shots,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: make sure we can, you know, keep our allies our allies,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and go from there, and now we see that that
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was the case. So I do I think when you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: see the political standing of the president, you see where
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Democrats look like a resurgent party, because remember, this is
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: a party that's still very unpopular. This is a party
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: where swing voters don't really trust democratic leaders, don't really
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: trust even some democratic stances, particularly on some social issues.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: But they don't like the party in power, right, they
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: don't like what they have, And so we have been voting,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I would argue since twenty nine, right, the last time
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: we voted for a president was Barack Obama in twenty
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: oh eight. Everything else has been more of a vote
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: against type of election. Twenty ten a vote against sort
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of Democrats expanding the size of governments. Right, the Tea
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Party surge got fired up that wing of the party.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Republicans win the House, but it was a vote against, right,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: it was a vote against the Democrats. Twenty twelve, many
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: ways was not an easy re election for Barack Obama
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: when you looked at the state of the economy, but
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: they did a successful job saying oh, yeah, you're not
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: going to want met Romney's economy. You're not going to
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: want Mett Romney deciding these policies, you're going to be
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: better off with Barack Obama policies, and he will bet
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Romney policies. And they painted him as an outsourcer, as
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: a guy in the pocket of China, and that played
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: well in the Midwest. It's also the last time Democrats
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: were able to carry Iowa, Ohio in addition to Michigan, Pennsylvania,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Not a small deal. But again I look
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: at twenty twelve, not necessarily as a vote for but
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: really when you look at how he carried those Midwestern states,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: he was not promoting himself. They were attack ads against
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Mett Romney twenty fourteen. Another vote against election twenty sixteen,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Another vote against election twenty eighteen, another vote against election
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: right twenty twenty, another vote against election twenty twenty two
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: is the weird one where it was mostly an electorate
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that wanted to put a check on Biden, but you
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: had an awful sort of slate of Republican candidates that
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: minimize the gains that they should have made. And now
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: it gave some false hope to Joe Biden. You had
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a Biden White House that totally misinterpreted what happened in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and fully not appreciating that that was
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: just a case of really bad, really bad Republican primary outcomes.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't as if the country was saying no, no, no, no, no,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: we want more Biden cow Bell. That was not what
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two was about. And of course now we
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: know twenty twenty four was a vote against elections. So
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: here we are again after one year of Trump where
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: he had an opportunity and I would argue he had
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: a you know, he you know, no honeymoon periods very
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: long anymore in American politics. The wear information ecosystem works.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: But he had a good three months and Liberation Day
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: in April just destroyed any hope he had. And he's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: been he's not really recovered from that moment. You know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: even the good economic news that he gets, like the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: recent news about the GDP over the summer, when you
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: look at the details, you realize, oh, most Americans aren't
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: benefiting from that expanded GDP. It is really about the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: investments in AI. So look, it certainly sets up what
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: appears to be another vote against election, which we could,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you know, argue, now this will be we're going to
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: hit what is nearly twenty years of this, right, our
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: eighteenth year sort of our let's see here ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen, eighteen, twenty,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty four be our ninth straight national election
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: where basically the voters that decide who wins or loses,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: not about the two bases, but those of us that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: live in the messy middle. You're going essentially to the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: polls with a with a vote against rather than something
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to vote for, and that our collective I understand some
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: of you saying no, no, no, no, I always vote for
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: an individual candidate. Yeah, but it's binary choice. Right, Ultimately
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: we have a binary choice and that we're having our
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: night straight election where we're we've been living in this
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a generation of a political recession. And you know I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: would argue this, you know I can. I can make
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the case this goes back really at least through even
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: in two thousand, right, we were starting to see the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: first pieces of this. So look, I want to spend
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit of next week. I'll have a I'm
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: gonna have a podcast. We're going to do another We're
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: going to this week with also a special edition. I'm
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, if it's if you haven't heard it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: It's new to you, as I used to say an NBC.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna re up the Jasmine Crockett interview I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: did a few months ago with a little bit of
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit of Texas introduction to it later this week.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But next week I'll have another new episode and we'll
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: do a little bit of sort of where the two
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: parters are going. But I think, just briefly, what we're
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: watching I touched on it before. I do think we're
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: seeing Trump's coalition. As I've said for the last three
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: or four months, it is the coalition is cracking. The
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: cracks are showing. Now they're not just cracks anymore, right,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: They're chasms in some cases. I think you're going to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: see more of this. I think what we saw in
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Heritage this is sort of this is going to show
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: itself up more in twenty eight than it is in
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: twenty six. I mean sure, I think you'll see some
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: hints of this divide inside the right in the Texas
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Senate primary. You'll see some of this perhaps in the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Georgia Senate primary. But for the most part, Republicans have
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: avoided They're going to avoid some messy primary most of
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: this infighting is going to continue to take place online,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: continue to take place in podcasts, and really start to
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: ramp up as the presidential candidates of twenty eight start
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to start to rise, whether it's Cruise Pants Paul, all
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: three of them very much sort of coming at the
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  Speaker 1: Mega coalition in different ways, each wanting a piece of it,
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  Speaker 1: but very critical to some parts of it. Right, and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: how that continues to splinter, I think is going to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: be an animating force inside the Republican Party for the
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: next easily for the next two years. And I do
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: think you see that the online MAGA world, right, this
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: world of Eric Kirk, Megan Kelly, Ben Shapiro. You know
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: some of you that listen to this podcast, maybe you
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: know these names are familiar, you may see them online.
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  Speaker 1: It strikes me as this is as I said in
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  Speaker 1: an earlier podcast, that this is the right version of
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  Speaker 1: the groups. Right, you have democratic politicians who were afraid
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: to sort of connect with voters in the middle because
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to alienate certain groups. I think it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: pretty clear the Biden White House in the first two
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: years totally mismanaged the border, put restraints on Ali Mayorcis,
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  Speaker 1: and dhs from being able to do their job the
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  Speaker 1: way they did it may Orcus did with Jay Johnson
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  Speaker 1: during the second Trump second Obama term because they didn't
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: want to offend the groups when the voters, you know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: were the ones that were making this decision quote unquote,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: not the groups. Right. Well, I think now you're seeing
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: something similar happen in magaworld, where they're where you have
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Republicans seem to be more concerned about what's being set online,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: who's saying it online, appeasing some online activists, rather than
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: actually talking to the voters. And I think that they
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: are detaching themselves from the mainstream of political debate by
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: being so consumed about what's being said at a turning
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Point convention or what's being said in a make podcast
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: or any of this stuff. And like how the I
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: think the Democrats got consumed with appeasing progressive groups and
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: social justice groups at the expense of alienating swing voters
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: in the suburbs and the excerps. I think you're seeing
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the same thing start to take place on the right.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: But make no mistake, the Democrats also there's a chance
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: they're having their own tea party moment. And you know,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the twenty ten midterms for Republicans were a huge success
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: on the House side of things, but they came up
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: shortened Senate races because of their own infighting. They had
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: primary challenges. They had sort of this tea Party surge
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: which sort of was sort of mega before we were
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: calling it. MAGA was challenging the establishment wing of the
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Republican Party, and it upset. You know, you had the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: witch nominee, you know at one point, you had the
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: bad nominee in Indiana, You had the bad nominee in
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Nevada against Harry Reid right now, and all those things
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: both in the ten cycle and the twelve cycle, which
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: held them back. You can't help but wonder if the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Democrats are going through the same thing that they have.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: You know, the quote, is there a liberal tea party
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: moment happening? Right It's a little cliche to say it
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that way, but there's definitely something. There's something happening here
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: right The establishment of the Democratic Party doesn't have a
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: lot of credibility with Democratic voters right now, doesn't have
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of credibility with Democratic donors right now, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: that's leading to what appears to be some terrible primaries
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: that are probably going to nominate less electable nominees, whether
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it's Texas Senate, Michigan Senate, Main Senate, those would be catastrophic, right,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: And you could see Democrats end up in a similar
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: scenario situation that Republicans were in twenty ten. They win
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: a ton of seats in the House and actually come
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: up short in the Senate. You know, they only win,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you know, only they come up one or two seats
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: short from winning the majority, just like Senate Republicans did
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: in twenty ten. So, you know, it's interesting. Twenty twenty four,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of ended with a divided Democratic Party
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: and a more united Republican Party than we'd seen since
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the Trump era. Twenty twenty five ends
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: still with a divided Democratic Party, though with a unifying
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: force that is Trump for the midterms, but the divisions
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: are still pretty pretty out. But you now have a
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: pretty divided Republican Party, and that is what we're dealing
• 43:38
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• 43:44
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• 43:56
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• 45:17
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• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, the Trump Kennedy Center Honors. Right, I'm sure
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: we'll hear plenty of jokes And in fact, Trump tweeted
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  Speaker 1: the following on Tuesday, on Festivus Day before Christmas Eve.
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  Speaker 1: The Trump Kennedy Center Honors is what he called it.
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  Speaker 1: The Trump Kennedy Center Honors will be broadcast tonight on
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  Speaker 1: At the request of the board and just about everybody
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  Speaker 1: else in America, I am hosting the event. Tell me
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: what you think of my master of ceremony that's in
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: quotes abilities If really good, would you like me to
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: leave the presidency in order to make hosting a full
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: time job. We will be honoring true greats in the
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: history of entertainment, So Wester Sloan, Michael Crawford, Kiss, George Straight,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and Gloria Gainer. So is this the soft launch for
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Trump's resignation strategy? From the president? You didn't get to
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: kick me out. I left on my own terms. You know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: here's the irony Donald Trump as dinner party host, Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump as sort of the roast maaster, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: to take the place during those old Comedy Central rows.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of what America wanted out of Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. I think now it's fair to say
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: most of America did we really want this guy as president?
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  Speaker 1: Or did we just want this guy to be sort
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of not even necessarily the MC of the Center Ring,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: of the three Ring circus. We just kind of wanted
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to tune into him every once in a while because
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: he was kind of amusing, and he was kind of strange,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: and he was kind of outlandish and sort of all
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: of those things. And a little bit of Donald Trump
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: was amusing and a lot of Donald Trump is exhausting. Right,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: So we know he's not totally serious about this, but
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you know, in his own weird way, he probably realizes
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: even his haters are going to say yes, please go
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  Speaker 1: be a host, Go leave the presidency to be a host,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and then he will take that and say people loved
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: all of my hosting. Any all right, let's get to
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: some questions, ask Chuck. And by the way, next week
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do I'm gonna do. That's forty minutes of questions.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tackle that much of my mail bag to
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: try to clear it out from the year. But in
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the meantime, let's slip in a few. All right, first question,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: it comes from Michael Dallas, Texas. Helped you found some
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: good barbecue in College Station. When you're in Dallas for
• 47:47
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  Speaker 1: and Lodge. I did do PQN Lodge and it is great.
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  Speaker 1: That is great. There's it is hard to find bad
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  Speaker 1: barbecue in Dallas. I'm sure it exists. But even the
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  Speaker 1: bad barbecue place is are good compared to almost any
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  Speaker 1: other city outside of Texas. So but Peak and Lodge,
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  Speaker 1: I had forgotten the name of it. Thank you for reminument.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And then he asked this. This twenty twenty eight gets closer
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  Speaker 1: by the day. As of late December twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: What wing of the party do you do you believe
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party will lean towards Will it embrace someone
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: from the Romney Bush era I e. Rubio, or will
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: it be a Trump air parent I advanced have a
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: hold over the voter. Keep up the good content. Thanks
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Michael Dallas, Texas. I think if you look look take
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the law, I just look at it. Let's just look
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: at sort of post World War Two history of two
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: term presidents. Right, Eisenhower's vice president was the Republican nominee
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: in sixty You have lbj's vice president, Hubert Humphrey was
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the Democratic nominee in sixty eight. Ronald Reagan's vice president
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: was the nominee in nineteen eighty eight. Now, the one
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: time where the party literally went further away from the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: outgoing sitting president is arguably John McCain in Oa from
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: George W. Bush. Right, there was nobody really running as
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the Bush air a parent. Now, McCain was the guy
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: that finished second to Bush in two thousand, so in
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: some ways was following the traditional Republican pattern of who
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: finished second get this nomination. The next time we saw
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: it with Bob Dole after Bush We saw it with
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Bush after Reagan, We saw it with Reagan after Ford.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: You get my drift. But you could argue that the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: nomination of McCain was a way of Republican primary voters
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: going no, no, we're looking for something different too. We want
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to we want to turn the page on on Bush.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think with the with as much as I
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: think that there is an appetite for it within a
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: good chunk of the Republican Party. Right. We've seen, you know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the move Mike Pence, pretty bold move Mike Pence made
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to sort of stake his claim. And I think what
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I still think those I still think Mike pen sees
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: himself as a person who can bridge the old Romney
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Bush wing of the party with the new Trump Maga
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: wing of the party. I still think Penn sees himself
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: is a better bridge to that than say a Marco Rubio.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: But the most likely result is Trump's heir, Trump's VP,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and something nominee. Right it is, It is very hard
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: to deny a sitting vice president nomination. Hubert Humphrey wasn't
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: denied at al Gore wasn't denied at Kamala Harrison her
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: own odd way wasn't denied at George H. W. Bush
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't tonight. It doesn't mean they don't have to work
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: for it. They got a Walter Mondale even as an
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: ex VP, right, it gets it. It is just very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: They when you think about how state parties are sort
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: of filled with loyalists, you know you're going to have
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not like, you know, look who runs
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  Speaker 1: the state Republican parties right now. There's not many people
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: from the Romney Bush wing of the party sort of
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: in charge anymore anywhere. So I don't know where you
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: would get a base of support to actually win a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: majority of Republican primary voters to pull this off. You'd
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: need it, you know. McCain pulled it off because there
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: really wasn't a consolidated conservative to stop him. I mean,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: had Romney, had Romney been a more trusted conservative in OA, right,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and he just wasn't yet he was the guy still
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: four years frankly, only two years removed from from Romney Care,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: only two years removed from flipping on the abortion issue
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: as he left the Massachusetts governorship, So he wasn't. He
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: couldn't solidate conservatives completely. So there the sort of the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: social Conservatives were splintered. The sort of or Bush Ryan
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: wing of the party was kind of splintered, and it
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: gave a room for McCain. Look, it's possible, right, but
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: the more probable outcome is that you know, Vance gets it,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and you know, look, you I'd rather be the Democrats
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: in twenty eight than Vance, but every nomination's worth having
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: because the Democrats could end up nominating someone who's less
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: selectable than Jade Vance's. But I think Vance's it's interesting
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: that what he did over the weekend in his decision
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: not to you know, he he will not condemn hateful
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: rhetoric on the right. He goes out of his way
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: to appease or apologize. If somebody on the left says
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: something hateful, they should be ostracized from their job society.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: When some of the are right does it, Oh, they're
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: just kids. Nobody should be judged by one thing they do.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: He is really and this is why I think he's
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: going to be somebody who appears to spend too much
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: time online and not enough time in the real world.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: This is a guy that needs to touch Republican grass roots,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: not just Republican Internet grasstops. So I'm skeptical of him,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: but he has to be considered the heavy favorite, and
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: he already has some institutional advantages that others are just
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: not going to have, and frankly having turning point as
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: an organization, which right now will certainly be a financial juggernaut.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: We'll see how influential it can remain if it is
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: as influential in two years as it feels like it
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: could be now. But he's already beginning there. It's hard
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: to see another wing of the party winning in twenty eight. Now.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: If Vance does not when the presidency in twenty eight,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: then the twenty thirty midterms are going to be something else.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Then you're going to have they may look what we're
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: watching with the Democrats right now in twenty six, which
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: is we're getting a preview of the fight in twenty
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: eight between essentially fighter unite. You know, what kind of
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Democratic party should Democratic nominee? Should they have a fighter
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: or somebody that's going to try to bring the country
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: together or a united Right now, the grassroots of the
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Democratic Party wants a fighter, right and I think that
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you'll have some of those same Well, you'll have some
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: of this same sort of intra party fighting and thirty
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: especially if fans loses. All right, next question comes from
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Travis and see, hey Chuck, hope you're enjoying the holiday season.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I really say, had a VID dream where I dropped
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: a college class only to run into you as the professor.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: You gave me a our time, and it's stuck with me.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Oh good, Look, I will share the syllabates. It's called
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  Speaker 1: how Washington Works, so I'll give you an idea of what.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: So basically, it's the class called How Washington Works. I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: have two assignments. You know, everybody that participates in this
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: class has a full time job, all right, so we
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: meet once a week. This is a special us USC program.
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  Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. Essentially, instead of spending a semester
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: abroad at USC, you spend a semester in d C.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: You get a full time job. You work nine to five,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: and then at six o'clock you have a class Monday
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: through Thursday. I am the Thursday class, right, I am
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the last class before the start of their weekend. Though
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: they do have to work Friday, usually on Fridays. So
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I say that, and I am I am mindful that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: this is they're there to they're there to learn. I
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: am not beating them up over assignments, though I do
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: make them. There are two assignments, a midterm and a
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: final that I do expect them to do. But essentially
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: what I do is I have a variety of speakers.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I've I've had John Kasik, I've had Mark Short,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I've had Brendan buck on the Republican side, Jake Letturner,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I've had Jeff Science, I've had near a Tandent, I've
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: had Debbie Dingle. So I try to have a good
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: balance of I try to. I want to have a
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: couple of lobbyists, including those that lobby from the right
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: for the excuse me, from industry and those that lobby
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: from activist groups so people can get an understanding how
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: both types of lobbying work. Again, I view the classes actually,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: what the intent is, how Washington works, and my joke
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: is doesn't work for everybody. It's always working for somebody,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and yes, this year it's going to change and how
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: it works. And then I you know the assignment I do.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I do this last time, I offered a choice of
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: books to read during the midterm that I think best
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and in fact I posted some of those books, but
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I think that best sort of helped explain why we're
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: in the political moment we're in, So you know, I
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: had I've assigned the McKay coppin's book on Romney and
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: sort of that campaign from twenty twelve and sort of
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Romney's view of sort of how the party went from
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: his wing of the party to the Maga wing of
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: the party. I think it's an incredibly insightful book on
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that front. The Wolves of k Street by Brody and
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Luke Mullins, their brothers, their investigative reporters. I think it's
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the currently the new best sort of guide to how
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: lobbying and Washington works these days? Where have all the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Democrats gone? Which is a roy to share a book
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: about sort of how the Democratic coalition shifted from the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Obama era to what it is today. All of it
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: is designed so that I think these are books that
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: best explain how we're in the situation that the current
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: political electorate is in. I am not do you actually
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: stay away from assigning books that how to quote and
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: make it better. I want people to understand where we are,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: and then their final exam is their way of making
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: one thing work better? What what's a way to if
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: there's something in Washington doesn't work right, how would you
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: change it? Is it through the power of Congress? Is
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: it through the power of the executive? Is it through
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: outside influence? Is it through small d democratic reforms? So
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: it's a mix of guest speakers who have had real
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: world experience, because everybody that's in this class is somebody
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: that is that is animated about public service that's a
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: little bit different than the average person. I would say,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: in my two years of teaching this class, half of
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: them want to run for office someday, and so I
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  Speaker 1: want to give them speakers that have done it themselves
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  Speaker 1: the ups. I mean, John Ksa came in here and said,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: don't run for office in your twenties, which is exactly
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: what John Kaysack did. He basically admitted that for the
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  Speaker 1: first thirty first ten years of his political career he
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: did not have enough life experience to be a good
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  Speaker 1: public servant. And he said, I didn't know that then.
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  Speaker 1: You know thirty five forty years later, you know that now.
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  Speaker 1: It is the tyranny of wisdom of the middle aged.
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  Speaker 1: We all realize once we hit our fifties and sixties,
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  Speaker 1: all the mistakes we made in our twenties and thirties,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and we're desperate to convince others in their twenties and
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  Speaker 1: thirties not to make these mistakes, and most of you
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: never listen. We are at peak wisdom in our fifties
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  Speaker 1: and sixties, which is why probably all of our presidents
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: should be in their fifties and sixties, and we shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: let anybody seventy plus be president. That is, that's my
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: age cutoff on there, because I do think peak wisdom
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  Speaker 1: is somewhere in your fifties and sixties. And perhaps I
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: say that out of necessity since I'm in my mid fifties.
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  Speaker 1: But that is and discussing the current events, I always
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: spend about It's a three hour class, so I spent
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  Speaker 1: about the first twenty or thirty minutes just discussing what
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  Speaker 1: happened that week and sort of I also explained the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: new cycle a little bit. But they take a separate
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: media class. Mine is very much more of how the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: institutions within Washington wor was, with a little bit of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: the influence of the press. But they have a separate
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: class on that is that is fully devoted, fully devoted
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: to that. So I hope that gave you an idea
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: of what class with me. So come on over to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: USC Dornsife. But it's anybody is eligible for this class
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: if you take if you get involved in this DC program.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: So there you go. All right, next question, U. I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna make this the last question because I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: went long on that other one. I'm gonna do three more.
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  Speaker 1: These are all good because I can be quick. All right.
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  Speaker 1: First one comes from Dan Pinehurst, North Carolina. Ah, I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: did a Pinehurst Boys trip once. I loved it. I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: loved it. We did three courses. It was amazing. I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: don't think I've golf since then, but it was awesome. Heinherst,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: what a great pace, Lieutenant Colonel retired Lieutenant Colonel Dan.
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  Speaker 1: Lucky you that Pinehurst golf courses are your backyard, and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: he goes, hey, I really enjoyed your take on how
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  Speaker 1: we mismanaged the end of history after the fall of
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  Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. Made me wonder how might things have
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  Speaker 1: played out differently At Bush forty wanted one a second term,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: with the administration's strong national security team and less political
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: pressure to catch in the peace dividend. Could a Marshall
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  Speaker 1: Plan style approach for Russia and Eastern Europe have worked
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: better than the short term thinking we saw in the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for all the great programming, and go Clemson this weekend. Yeah,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a good matchup on paper. You're like, boy,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that would be a better game, right, I think it's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Clemson Penn State. Be better if it were game one
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: of the year and my recalibrated schedule of making all
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: the bowl games happen actually as preseason game one of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: the following season. You know, that's an interesting one. If
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: on George H. W. Bush, I think you're right. I
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  Speaker 1: think it would have been a very foreign policy have
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  Speaker 1: second term where Bill Clinton won on domestic issue, so
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: he did make it all that so it you know,
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  Speaker 1: in some ways though I don't think you know, remember
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  Speaker 1: Clinton kept a lot he kept Colin Powell's national security advisor.
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  Speaker 1: No excuse me as chairman of the Joint Chiefs. My
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  Speaker 1: mistake there and in and in some ways even though
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: he had democratic you know, players from the foreign policy community,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: they were really of the Cold War uniparty, if you will, right,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Warren Christopher, I would argue was that Tony Lake and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: then later Sandy Berger On the national security side, I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: would argue, was that Al Gore as a vice president.
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  Speaker 1: Remember he was basically the Washington hand for for the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: inexperienced Arkansas in Bill Clinton. So, I you know, I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to I don't know if our foreign policy
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: would have changed that much, but I do agree with
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  Speaker 1: you the emphasis might have been different. There may have
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: been a more methodical approach that Bush and Baker would
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: have had. I mean, essentially, what you're saying is, what
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  Speaker 1: if Jim Baker had been running things here right in
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  Speaker 1: helping democracy in Eastern Europe. Maybe it's not a it's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting what if that I'd like to put
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  Speaker 1: a little more of my own efforts into. I need
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: to familiar I need to go back. And there's a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: great Jim Baker memoir not a memoir, excuse me, a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: biography that was written by my friends Peter Baker and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Susan Glasser. It had some cooperation from Baker. It is
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a really look. I think Jim Baker's Jim Baker and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Leon Panetta are probably the two great equally the greatest
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Republican and greatest democratic public servants that weren't the best politicians, right.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I think Bakker ran and lost a state ag race
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: in Texas. Lean Panetta obviously was a member of Congress,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: wanted to run for governor, never could find a way
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: to do it. But boy, they were really good at
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: they they they were They had a politician's eye with
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: a with sort of CEO capabilities, kind of like Cheney,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, they knew how not all all
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: politicians want to run an institution, know how to actually
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: have employees. You get the sense of Panetta and Baker did,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and this is why they were sort of the super
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: staffers of their era. One one on the D side,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: one on the R side. But I almost needed we'd
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: want to go back and reread the Baker books, both
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: his and then the one he cooperated with with Glassner
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: uh And and Peter Baker. No relation by the way,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: to sort of answer that question fully. But but there's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: no doubt they're needed. We we we. It is clear
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: we rushed through the democratization of the former Soviet republ
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Blootz and really screwed and it was really divving up industry.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Is ended up creating the oligarchs and in that sense,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I think you could say we had a hand in
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: creating the oligarchy that now essentially runs too much of
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Russia and much of and many of the former Soviet
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: republics on that front. So great question. Next one today
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: comes from Gavin Brady. Loved your deep dive and how
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: post World War One decisions still shape global politics today.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Such an overlook part of history. The way Western powers
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: readrew borders in the Middle East continues to have serious repercussions,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: yet it's barely discussed. You've talked a lot about media decline,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: but how do we address the erosion of historical education
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and understanding? It feels essential for making sense of modern challenges.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Gavin Brady, Brisbane, Australia. This is my frustration, right we look,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: I imagine you know Australia, world history is certainly taught
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: through the prism of Australia, just like world history is
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: taught through the prism of America in American schools, et cetera.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: But I think we do There's no doubt we have
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: done a poor We don't teach, we don't think about
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: creating historical curriculums through the prism of today's issues. Right,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: So if you were to create a curriculum on history,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: and I almost wonder if there's a class to be
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: made which is current the history of current events. Okay,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I need to come up with a better class of that.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: But so that Okay, the Middle East is in the news,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: let's teach history of the Middle East to understand that, right,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And it seems like a simple thing to do. Here's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: the context, uh, and we go, But that's really what's
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: missing in our curriculum. We probably would be in this
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: and I think this is what's look the politicizing of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: of of education curriculums, particularly in middle schools and high schools,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: is a real problem when everybody wants their point of
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: view reinforced in how history is taught, rather than just
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: getting people more knowledgeable. I mean, when you look at
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: how many times we've been drawn into a hot conflict
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: in the Middle East, and how little in high school
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: we spend in history classes teaching how World War One
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: created this mess in the fall of the Ottoman Empire,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: it seems to be kind of messed up when we
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: you know, today sixteen and seventeen year olds may end
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: up fighting a war in the Middle East. May end
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: up fighting a war in China. What do we teach
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: about Taiwan? What do we teach about the rise of
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: communist China? You know, we're teroh you want to talk
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: about you know, I complain about our lack of of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: how we just gloss over World War One and just
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: teach it through the prison of War War two? What
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: kind of thing about your own For those of you,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: ask yourself how well you feel like you were educated
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: about China? Say pre mao, okay, And even then, you know,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: we we we do a little bit of mao, right,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: but it's really quickly there's a Nixon goes to China, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: We kind of kind of fight China a little bit
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: during the Korean War. There's some normalization with then chaoping, YadA,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: YadA YadA. Then there's the Olympics, and you know, we
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: don't really teach the history of China and Asia in general.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: And yet I could argue the twenty first you know,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: if the twentieth century was all about, uh, sort of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the re it was all about sort of the I
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: guess you could call it the dish, the de empiring
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: of Europe, right, Europe was sort of nothing but a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: series of sort of of empires trying to control it
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: in some form or another. And the twentieth century was
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: sort of an attempt to put an end to that, right,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: and it's sort of and it did. I think the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: twenty first century is going to be all about sort
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: of reshaping the power structures in Asia, and yet our
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: education system does very little in making sure we're fairly
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: informed about the history of Asian civilizations, of Asian governments
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: of China in particular. So yeah, we need to think
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: about our history. Curriculums should be tied to active current events,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: you know, and sort of within a ten year period
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: in order because frankly, if students, I know, I got
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: more animated about something, if I learned something and then
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I saw something related to it in the paper or
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: you related to it in the current events, it actually
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: sunk in more. So it would just be better teaching. Look,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the best teachers figure this out. Now. I remember having
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: a great government teacher who was who did this really well.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: But the best teachers figure that out, all right, last
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: question for today before I get to my sports viewing
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: guide slash conversation starters for you, per your suggestion, I
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: watched Death by Lightning. I enjoyed it, but found it
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: too short. So I read the book. I kept rolling
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: my eyes at how often it mentioned national unity around Garfield.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Made me sad to realize, I can't imagine that kind
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: of unity today. Was the country really that united in
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: grief and anger over his assassination? Or did the author
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: take some license loving the podcast? So just a reminder
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: there are other sports besides college football. In baseball, Melanie,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I hear you, and I've got plenty of baseball takes.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: They're coming. This is just the heart of college football season.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Trust me. Pictures and catchers report, what do we act? Like?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Less than ten weeks? So I'm there, right, pictures and
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: catchers are I think we're like eight weeks away? I
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: got you, Melanie, don't worry. So can I Can I
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: recommend another book that I think would because I, you know,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: do I think there was definitely real unity around Garfield?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Because think about this? Okay, what I think? What? What
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: the what? The movie did a terrible with the mini
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: series terrible. I'm too strong. I just I was glad
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: it was done, and it's so disappointed in the execution. Okay,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: because I thought it was short, gave short shrift to
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: too many things. But there were two aspects to the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: story that the Death by Lightning, as the mini series
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: just never really did a good job of showcasing. One
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: was the fact that he gets shot, he lives for months.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: So that's why there was this sort of national think
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: about it. Okay, there was. This was what's the latest
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: on the president? You know, is he running the country
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: or not? Like, how does it? So there was it
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: did become a national obsession. And while he's still alive,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: we have the trial of Gauteau, and the trial was
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: the first trial of the century that everybody paid attention
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: to and in d C. Just to get a ticket
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: to attend the trial was like a was a big
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: deal in society. People wanted to be able to say, oh,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I was at the Gaito trial today, I saw him
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: go crazy again today. I don't think it captured sort
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: of that aspect of it. So it I think in
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: the book and sort of Destiny of the Republic, which
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: is what Death by Lightning's based on. Technically, this other
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Garfield book is called Dark Horse, written by a Senate
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: staffer some twenty five years ago, but very you know,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I like the more detail it goes into the Republican
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Convention gives you a lot more on that, which is
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: a political junkie. I just love and I do always
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: want to remind people, you know this, the mythology that
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: just anybody could become the nominee at a convention is
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: the Garfield story. And it was sort of because it
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: happened once it became the myth that sort of made
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: politic conventions. We've all dreamed of a convention taking over
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: the process, when only time that happened was in the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: eighteen eighty Chicago Republican Convention. So I think the book
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: does a good job of that, But I do think
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: the series gave short shrift to the fact that this
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: was a that he was He was alive for months,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: and it was due to poor medical treatment that he died. Right,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: The bullet didn't kill him, poor medical treatment killed him.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: And then the second thing was the the circus that
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: was the Godeau trial itself, and I think it didn't
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: necessarily capture that what the public was feeling. But there's
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: a reason Chester Arthur flips. There's a reason Chester Arthur right.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the public blamed Arthur at
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: first as part of you know, sort of this that
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: this was all due to Roscoll, Conkling and all of that.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, let's just say that I am That's why
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I was disappointed it because I think two of the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: more fascinating parts of it. Look at they did an
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: okay job at the convention, and they allowed that process
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: to play out. I want to I got I'm obsessed
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: with I'm going to end with this here. I'm obsessed
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: with Pluribis. And so during my during this long car
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: trip I just took last week, I listened to a
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of sort of companion Pluribis podcasts, not some
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: with the official podcast, but but some on our friends
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: the Ringer. Love those guys. The watch, Uh, their enthusiasm
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: is a lot of fun. And what what Vince Gilligan
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: is known for is showing you methodical process. Right, Like,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: if you watch Pluribus, every time she calls the phone
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: spoiler lotle Art and she's calling you know, the hive
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: mind for stuff in the show, you have to hear
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the entire message tape, recorded message play over and over. Right.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: He wants to show that process. He doesn't give you
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: short shrift. He doesn't speed through it. He wants you
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: to absorb the process of living. Having every time they
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: have a conversation, she has to listen to that recording
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: over and over again, and you have to do it too.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I think what Death by Lightning didn't do is it
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: was so rushed in trying to put everything that should
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: have been an eight to ten episode mini series into
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: four episodes. Because the folks that I don't know this,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to have an educated guest. Folks at
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Netflix didn't think Garfield was going to be that interesting
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: to people. That he was not a known character, Guiteau
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: was not a known assassin, all of those things. So
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: they said, let's do this it as an experiment. It
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: did well, and it shows it could have done eight
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: not for they took eight to ten episodes of content
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: and shoved it into four, and they rushed things. They
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: didn't show the process, show me the trial, show more
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: of the medical care, show more of the convention. That's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: what Vince Gilligan would have done with the content, and
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  Speaker 1: In college football, we have no college football play. I
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: will be I will be uploading two more more drops
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: before we get to the Miami Ohouse Skate game on
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: December thirty first, so I will have a lot more
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: to say about that game, I am. What's funny is that,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: you know, we fans, we never forget the slights against teams.
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  Speaker 1: We play like you know, Catholics versus Convicts. When it
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: comes to Notre Dame, we'll shoot.
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  Speaker 2: That happened in nineteen eighty eight. That's over thirty years ago, right,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: almost forty years ago. Now on that front, I brought
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: up the Penn State game. I think that you know
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: my frustration back during that national title game. Well, that
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: happened in nineteen eighty six, Okay, and now we have
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Miami winning eleven games this year. It's the first time
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: that's happened since before my daughter was born, and she's
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: twenty one years old, so you know this, you know,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: So my bitterness about Ohio State feels very recent. My
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: bitterness about the Big twelve official who threw the unnecessary
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: flag that handed Jim Tressel the controversial national time that year.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Terry Porter, is a name I'll never forget. I'm sorry,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: mister Porter. If you're a listener, you're you're you're probably
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: tired of us Miami fans harassing you by name.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Let's just say be glad that that that the the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: bad flag didn't happen in the social media era, and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: that that had happened back in January of two thousand
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: and three. So, you know, Miami Ohio State is a
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: quote unquote rivalry just lives in the minds of Miami
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: fans twenty five years ago who were alive back then.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: It is not with today's Miami fans even you know.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: I have to explain it to my daughter, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and show it. Okay, that's why it's not you know,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: it's it's not inherent on that front. So, but needless
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  Speaker 1: to say, I'll have some interesting I'll have more to
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: say about that game. But look, we're there are a
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: few things that I actually wanted to bring up in
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: the sport world that are off the field that I
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: think are worth having a conversation about. First of all,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: are we suddenly moving? You know? One of the things
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: in sports stadium developments was we've always go back and
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: forth we go, and you can sort of see it
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: in the landscape if you go to older major metropolitan areas. Right. So,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: when I first moved to Washington, all of the basketball
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: games and hockey games were played in the suburbs. It
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: was called the Capital Center. It was in Landover, Maryland.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: And back then you had arenas in suburban locations because
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: there was this movement out of the cities and the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: rise of the suburbs. So sports owners thought they wanted
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: to be where the people lived at night, not necessarily
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: where the people worked in the day. Well, then, of course,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: another generation happens, and then there's a movement to bring
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: all of the arenas and football stadium back into cities, right,
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  Speaker 1: And we had this movement in the nineties and in
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: the aughts where everything was being brought back into the cities. Well,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: in Washington, we're still trying to bring a stadium back
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: into the cities, but we're if you've noticed, we are
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: kind of in a period now where there is as
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: much movement out of cities again as there is in
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: sports stadiums coming into the cities. The first of this
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: was Atlanta, where they decided they don't play in Atlanta anymore.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: They play in Cobb County, right, They left the city
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: of Atlanta, and it's weird. It bums me that baseball
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: is there, but it turns out it was the right
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: business decision. They did this based on where were the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: majority of their fan base, and they decided it was
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Cob County and it worked. You've got certainly Dallas, all right,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: You've got the hockey and basketball are in downtown Dallas,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: but the baseball and football are in the suburbs, and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: they continue to be in the suburbs. But then again,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: the sort of the Dallas metroplex. Is there a suburb anymore?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Or is it just a series of cities. Arlington is
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: growing like crazy, Frisco and Denton is growing like crazy.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: So it may be that those are forward looking things,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: but it is notable to me if the Chiefs made
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: the decision to leave Kansas City, Missouri, and they're going
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: to go to Kansas City, Kansas, which means I don't
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: know how many of their fans are going to do that,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: but I'm guessing they got a better deal from Kansas
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: to develop in Kansas than in Kansas City, Missouri. You've
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: got the Chicago Bears threatening to move to another state
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: and to pull what the Washington then Redskins now commanders
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: did by moving from the district to the suburbs. Now
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: they want to go back to the district because that's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: where their fans wanted them to be. Meanwhile, the Bears,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: who have this incredible set up Soldier Field, in some
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: ways is in the perfect location in a city on
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: the lake. I think it is should be a tremendous
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: home field advantage. Obviously, they want more luxury boxes, they
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: want to make more money out of these things. But
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: now they're talking about moving into Indiana, to Northwest Indiana.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: Is this really a good idea? Do you really want
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: all of this there? This is a case where I
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: bring this up because I think the NFL as a
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: league does not get involved enough in these stadium decisions. Right.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: The most egregious thing that they let happen. That I
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: still think is a stain on the NFL is letting
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: the Chargers leave San Diego. I mean, we now have
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: a zombie franchise in LA. There is nobody that cares
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: about the Chargers in LA. Unfortunately, I wish there were more.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I know there's a handful of fans. Don't get me wrong,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: all five LA Chargers fans my apologies, but the San
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Diego fan base was tremendous. All Right, you had an
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: owner that had no trust with the community, and you
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: have a community that didn't believe in taxpayer funding the stadiums. Okay, Well,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: then the NFL have stepped in what's in the best
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: interest of the NFL keeping their fan base in San Diego,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: not diluting this mess in LA. But instead, what did
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: they really want, Well, they wanted to help an owner
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: who couldn't afford a stadium. He was building uh in
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: so far and he wanted a second tenant in order
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: to be able to have this magnificent stadium. So the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: NFL prioritized having this incredible stadium. God love it so FI.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful stadium. It's a great, you know, host
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: stadium for super Bowls, for National title games, for Taylor
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Swift concerts, you name it. But without the guarantee of
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: a second tenant, it was going to make it really
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: hard for the owner to make that work. And so
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: and so the the NFL prioritized sort of an owner's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: needs over what was in the best interests of the fans.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: And I be really careful here, NFL letting the If
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: the Bears end up moving to Indiana, I would argue
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: the move out of the Washington to Maryland was a
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: mistake and that was a Jack can Cook. Can't blame
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: that one on Dan Schneider, all right, that was a
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Jack can Cook situation that turned out to be a
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: bad business decision. Not just a bad fan decision, but
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: bad fan decisions are bad business decisions. And in this case,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I think the NFL needs to be smarter. Look, I
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: know the only way owners can make money outside of
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: the socialistic enterprise that is the National Football League, where
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: you sort of have a salary cap and use all
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: the shared revenue, et cetera. Right that the only the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: differentiator for individual owners are the luxury boxes, are the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: season tickets, is the stadium experience, is parking, is concessions,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: et cetera. And I get that, but at the end
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: of the day, the owners, to me are not you know,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: these are not small businessmen. These are not the many
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: of them are not the best in Brice when it
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: comes to business decisions, and they're not always looking out
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: for the interest of the NFL or the interests of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: the NFL fan base, and the league I think needs
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: to get more involved in these stadium decisions because these
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: are NFL facilities as well as team facilities. And considering
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: you are a socialistic enterprise, this is not a free
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: market system. It just isn't. Don't pretend it is every
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: once in a while when it comes to stadium development,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: and I do think the NFL, you know, needs to
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: preserve you know, it's it's kind of embarrassing that the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: New York teams don't play in New York. I think
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: it would be embarrassing that the Chicago team didn't play
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: in Chicago. And is it going to matter? Maybe in
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, maybe it doesn't matter in
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, but you sort of tear
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: away at the fabric and at the culture of a town,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: and so you know, whether it's you know, making sure
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: that Kansas City move isn't going to alienate a big
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: chunk of the fan base, making sure the Bears going
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: to Gary, Indiana isn't going to alienate the fan base,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: making sure that you don't abandon and basically lose out
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: on a bunch of fans in San Diego that should
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: still be its own fan. I mean, you have the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Chargers are having a tremendous season and no one cares right,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: and you know, look, you barely can get Angelina's to
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: care that much about the Rams. But at least the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Rams have some sort of identity and history in LA.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: And I do think I've got friends in LA whose
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: kids have adopted the Rams. You have not seen the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: same adoption of the Chargers. Look, the Clippers shouldn't be
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: in LA sharing a market with the Lakers. They should
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: also probably be in San Diego, and the Chargers shouldn't
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: be in that market because you realize the Chargers are
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: the third team in that market. The Rams are one,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: The Raiders in Las Vegas are two because of their
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: old ties to Los Angeles when they're good. USC is three,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: and then you finally get to the the LA Chargers.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: But That is something that needs to go in there
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: very quickly. Your weekend guide to viewing and conversations you
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: want to have to change to look like you're on
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: top of things in the sports world. One thing you
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: can mock and make fun of is how Netflix did
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: a terrible job of guessing which games would be relevant
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: uh and which which ones, which ones weren't. So other
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: than gamblers, there really is no reason to watch the
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Christmas games. Our Christmas get Cowboys Commanders, totally meaningless Commanders.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe with a third string quarterback, we won't even have
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Thailand Tyler Hennike Heinike to to root for or enjoy.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Lions Vikings. Lions need a lot of help. They got
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: to win two games and hope the Packers lose two
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: games on that front. In Broncos Chiefs, Broncos are playing
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: for a piece of the one seed and they should
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: annihilate the Chiefs given the Chiefs are now going to
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: be on a third string quarterback on this front, So
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: you know what that means. It means and I can't
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: believe I'm saying this, but the Christmas Day NBA games
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: are more watchable than the Christmas Day NFL games. Look
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: the NFL tried to basically bully the NBA, and it
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: really did ruin NBA last year, the NBA Christmas Day
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: games last year. But guess what karma is a you
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: know what? And the NFL thought, we're putting on the
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Cowboys and Patrick Mahomes, we're gonna be great. Whoops, not
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: so much, right, not so fast. So instead you get
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: what I think is that I'll give you three games. All. Look,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: the five games are good, but I would argue three
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: stand apart, and you could say four of the five
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: are worth watching. But they're even opening game Cavs Nicks.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I love watching Jalen Brunson play basketball, and if you
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: haven't seen him play this year, this isn't a waste
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: your time. But the best game is the one, hopefully
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: that starts before you eat your Christmas dinner, and that
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: is Spurs Thunder Wemby Baby, the best team in the
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: league against the best player in the league or the
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: most unstoppable player in the league. I don't know if
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: he's the best yet, but my god, when it is,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: just he does things you don't see other ordinary human
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: beings do. He's the alien, right, He's the one of
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: one whatever you want to call it. It is amazing.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Go watch some Wemby. If you haven't been a fan
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: of the NBA, watch Wemby. This is the future Oklahoma
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: City as a team and Wemby as an individual. This
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: is the future of basketball being played on heights. We've
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: never seen the game played. Go watch it. The next
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: game Mavericks Warriors. You get to see a little bit
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: of Cooper Fly. This dude is for real, a lot
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: of fun to watch. Plus you get Steph Curry, so
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: you get old and new, young and old. Steph Curry
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: I think technically old enough to beat Cooper Flag's father,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: that's the age difference between the two. But it was like,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: you know, getting to watch the brief period. We got
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: to watch the overlap between Kobe and Lebron. You get
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: to see this overlap between Cooper Flag and Steph Curry.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Rockets Lakers. Hey, it's Luca versus the All Star team
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: that is that is the Rockets with Kevin Durant and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: all these new young players that are absolutely worth watching
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: on that front. And then the nightcap is Nuggets Timberwolves,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: and there's nobody that There are two people I really
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: enjoy watching play basketball these days. One is Victor One
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Banyama and the other is NICOLEA Jokic and Nuggets Timberwolves.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm a I've got a soft spot for Anthony Edwards,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: so I think this is a day and I'm normally
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: you don't hear me as a big proponent of regular
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: season NBA, but good for the NBA. This is a
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: great showcase. The NFL blew it thought they were showcasing
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: some of their some of their best teams and some
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: of their most marketable teams, and it imploded in their face.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: They get that as far as bulls over the next
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: few days that are worth you disrupting things. Take a
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: look at the Cal Hawaii game. Hawaii's been sneaky good
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: this year. It's not going to look good for the ACC,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: but this will be a semi home game for Hawaii.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: That'll be a fascinating fun day after Christmas. I'm gonna
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: be honest, none of the games are worth watching. There's
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: no If you're saying I've got to watch college football
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: the day after Christmas on the twenty six, you're either
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: an alum of Central Michigan in Northwestern that's the noon game.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: You're an alum of Minnesota New Mexico, although watching New
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Mexico beat Minnesota would be a lot of fun seeing
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten lose to a team like New Mexico.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: And then there's you know, the Fighting pit Bulls aka
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: F in its first Bowl game in a while playing
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: the football program that was created by a former University
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: MIMI head coach, Larry Coker UT San Antonio. But let's
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: be honest, none of those are worth it. I will
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: say this. The Saturday games are a lot of fun.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: You've got Penn State Clemson would be a lot more
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: fun as a meaningful game, but still not a bad
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: game that's going to be played in Yankee Stadium. You've
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: got Georgia Tech BYU. This should be Notre Dame BYU,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: but we're going to get Notre Dame BYU is a
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: series which, by the way, what a great series the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Mormons versus the Catholics, Right, that'll be a lot of fun. Sorry,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: USC that you guys are afraid of your playing nine
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Big Ten games and you don't want to play Notre
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Dame every year, God bless you, But you know what, BYU.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame feels like a pretty good series. But BYU.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech isn't a bad second place, and I think
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: both teams will care never bet on the grown ass
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: men of BYU. Remember they're all in their early twenties
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: because they've all done their missions. So there's you don't
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: have the misspent youth if you will. And then the
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: other game that I'm mildly interested in is whoever's suiting
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: up for LSU playing the Houston Cougars. Houston's a school
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: that I have a feeling is only going to become
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: more of a player in college athletics. They already are
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: in college basketball. There's real money down there at that campus.
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  Speaker 1: There's real enthusiasm, it's a growing alumni base. I just
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  Speaker 1: have a feeling Houston has a chance to be to
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  Speaker 1: be interesting there. So there's your weekend guide, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a few little nuggets to have fun conversations
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  Speaker 1: with about sports, to make it look like you have
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  Speaker 1: an athletic subscription. But be careful. Trying to use some
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  Speaker 1: of these games is an excuse to to avoid relatives,
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  Speaker 1: because honestly, there's the NBA is really the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that's worth worth saying. Hey, let's set let's let's set
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  Speaker 1: the snacks down a minute and let's check this out.
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  Speaker 1: So enjoy, enjoy your holiday. Like I said, I will
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  Speaker 1: have one more feed drop this week. It's sort of
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  Speaker 1: a repackage of an interview I do with Jasmine Crockett,
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  Speaker 1: but I do have some new information at the top
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  Speaker 1: of that, so it is worth your time there. And
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  Speaker 1: with that I will I'll see you next week after
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  Speaker 1: the Christmas holidays. I hope you have a safe, happy
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  Speaker 1: and healthy long Reachain