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DISGUSTING REVEAL: MOM INSISTS BOYFRIEND 'NOT EVIL,' SEX ABUSES HER DAUGHTER MADDIE SINCE 11, STRANGLES HER DEAD · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Mattie Soto just thirteen years old, cod cause of death strangulation,
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  Speaker 2: and now in a disgusting reveal, her mother. Mattie Soto's
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  Speaker 2: mother is insisting her boyfriend, mommy's live in, who was
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  Speaker 2: raping Mattie sex abusing her since she was eleven.
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  Speaker 1: That the sex abuse is not evil.
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  Speaker 2: Repeat Mattie Soto's mother and I found this in a
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  Speaker 2: supplemental police report states that her live in mommy's living
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Stearn's sex abusing Mattie since age eleven. It's not evil,
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  Speaker 2: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Then big good school. I went to pick her up
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  Speaker 1: in the school say.
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  Speaker 3: And she never came out.
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  Speaker 1: I can't find her.
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  Speaker 4: She didn't walk to the office, and she wasn't at
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  Speaker 4: school when I went to get grow up, she said,
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  Speaker 4: she never mad it. What do you mean I dropped
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  Speaker 4: her off or we dropped her off most of school
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  Speaker 4: and she said she didn't make it for the second period.
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  Speaker 4: I said, please check with the rest of your friends.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I knew something was wrong, and I freaked out.
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  Speaker 4: We were all going to sleep together in the same bed.
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  Speaker 4: But I needed some good sleep, and I got a
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  Speaker 4: new job recently, I haven't been more arrested. I needed
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  Speaker 4: some sleep, so I asked, Hey, can you guys go
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  Speaker 4: to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he was going
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  Speaker 4: to get her ready and.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, okay, so you needed some good seven.
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  Speaker 4: O'clock, yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed.
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  Speaker 6: Stephen Stern slept with Madeline Soto and her mother on
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  Speaker 6: a regular basis without her mother present, including the night
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  Speaker 6: before she was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Soto tells.
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  Speaker 6: Mattie she has a really bad headache and tells Maddie
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  Speaker 6: to take Stephen Stern's and go sleep in an upstairs bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Is anybody else's head exploding? I mean hers has definitely
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  Speaker 2: exploded already. Jackie's gone. She sends her daughter to go
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  Speaker 2: sleep with her lover the night before she's dead.
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  Speaker 1: I want to look at the timeline here.
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  Speaker 2: Shannon Butler a joining me again, renowned investigative reporter on
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  Speaker 2: WFTV nine. Shannon, if you look at the timeline, can
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  Speaker 2: we just talk about that one moment? Because I have
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  Speaker 2: a theory that Mattie was murdered by Stefan Stern the
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  Speaker 2: night before, because we've got him the next morning seven
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  Speaker 2: seven thirty am, he's already throwing out Maddie's backpack and
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  Speaker 2: her school laptop.
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  Speaker 1: That's early in the morning. Why would he do that.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like Scott Peterson trying to sell Lacy's car
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  Speaker 2: and getting the porn channel.
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  Speaker 1: He knew she wasn't coming back.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So why is he getting rid of her possessions
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  Speaker 2: at seven thirty am? That means she's already dead at
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  Speaker 2: seven point thirty a M.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't stand to look at this guy's face.
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  Speaker 2: And again he's presumed innocent until proven guilty. So can
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  Speaker 2: we just talk about the timeline one moment? So well,
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  Speaker 2: mommy trundles her little girl, now thirteen, off to bed
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  Speaker 2: with her living who tells people he gets erections in
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  Speaker 2: bed with Maddie. She's killed in the night, and Mommy,
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  Speaker 2: what just slept all the way through it? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: analyzes the timeline for me, Shannon Butler, I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the working theory, even for law enforcement.
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  Speaker 7: We know for a fact at seven point thirty that
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  Speaker 7: she was in fact at that is what the Orange
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  Speaker 7: County Sheriff's Office believed the original investigators on this case.
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  Speaker 7: But those hours in the night, that's where all the
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  Speaker 7: question is. They believe she was killed, but they don't
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  Speaker 7: know exactly what time, and it seems the medical examiner
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  Speaker 7: can't figure that out either. But they do know that
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  Speaker 7: in those hours before seven thirty and after they went
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  Speaker 7: to bed, something happened there.
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  Speaker 3: The question is how did nobody in that house?
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  Speaker 7: If you if you read the document, you could tell
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  Speaker 7: there were several people inside that home, very few heard
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  Speaker 7: anything or saw anything. The mother never woke up, She
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  Speaker 7: didn't see her daughter before she went to school. And
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  Speaker 7: because of that, that is why it's so hard to
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  Speaker 7: pinpoint exact working theater up.
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  Speaker 2: I think you just stated she didn't see her daughter
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  Speaker 2: before she went to school. What she told to nine
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  Speaker 2: one one, She told nine one one she saw her
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  Speaker 2: that morning, Yes.
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  Speaker 7: And she told the original responding deputy that she did
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  Speaker 7: see her in the morning get ready for school.
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  Speaker 3: But what she told us was that.
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  Speaker 7: She didn't see her that morning. She saw the night before.
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  Speaker 7: There are statements all along here that are inconsistent. And
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  Speaker 7: I know what you think, and I know what other
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  Speaker 7: people think. How do you not know? I too know
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  Speaker 7: what my daughter wore to school this morning. There are
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  Speaker 7: a lot of questions about how she didn't know. Investigators
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  Speaker 7: have told me that she does take a lot of medication,
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  Speaker 7: and there are things that sometimes even she admits she's spacey,
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  Speaker 7: and I think that's now why they come.
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  Speaker 1: She says, she takes a lot of medication. You think
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  Speaker 1: I care. Maddie is dead.
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  Speaker 2: She's been raped since at least she was eleven at
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  Speaker 2: the least, and the live in videoed it down the
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  Speaker 2: hall from mommy. Now he killed her down the hall
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  Speaker 2: from mommy. I don't care what medication mommy is taking.
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  Speaker 2: Don't care, And at some point the inconsistencies coming out
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  Speaker 2: of Mommy's mouth are overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 8: Jennifer Soto is confronted with inconsistencies and the version of
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  Speaker 8: events she is giving versus what her boyfriend, Stephan Stearns
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  Speaker 8: is saying. Telling police, she is giving Sterns the benefit
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  Speaker 8: of the doubt that he dropped Maddie off at school
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  Speaker 8: like he says, but qualifies the statement by adding Stephan
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  Speaker 8: is a master liar and a master manipulator.
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  Speaker 9: Soto says she realizes he's guilty. The detective asks what
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  Speaker 9: she thinks he's guilty of Jennifer Soto says he's been
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  Speaker 9: grooming and abusing my child.
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  Speaker 1: We were all going to sleep together in the same bed,
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  Speaker 1: but I needed some.
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  Speaker 4: Good sleep, and I got a new job recently, I
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  Speaker 4: haven't been more arrested. I needed some sleep, so I asked, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: can you guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: I knew he was going to get her ready.
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  Speaker 5: Inked, sorry, okay, so you needed some good seven o'clock.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed.
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  Speaker 10: Thirteen year old Madeline Soto fails to show up at school,
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  Speaker 10: but mom's boyfriend swears he dropped her off in Florida.
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  Speaker 10: A desperate search ensues to find the missing team.
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  Speaker 11: All right, and another thing, I just wanted to confirm,
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  Speaker 11: because I know the last night was a long night.
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  Speaker 11: But he said you You said.
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  Speaker 5: When you woke up around nine.
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  Speaker 11: You left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's appointment,
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  Speaker 11: and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then he.
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  Speaker 5: Called you at ten.
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  Speaker 1: You were a return tenor ten?
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  Speaker 11: FI feenish to say to have the conversation. Mcdonaldson.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, she and let McDonald so he came home. I
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  Speaker 12: think he had accidentally left his FORRN at home.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so he was just letting me know because I
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  Speaker 6: had then I had called it a multiple fimes for
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  Speaker 6: he was just for turning my pubbling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I left the horn at home.
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  Speaker 13: I went to the beep store. I waited there for
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  Speaker 13: a little bit and nothing. Nobody was there.
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear what the mom just said? And yes,
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  Speaker 2: I know Stephan Stern is the one charge with murder,
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  Speaker 2: but in the last hours, mommy, Jennifer Soto actually says,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm eating a dirt sandwich right now.
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  Speaker 2: The mother Jen Soto actually says him Stern's abusing, sex abusing,
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  Speaker 2: raping her daughter was not evil, that the murder was evil,
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  Speaker 2: but sex abusing her daughter was not evil. Now, that's
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  Speaker 2: as I and People Magazine understand the supplemental report.
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  Speaker 1: Not evil.
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  Speaker 2: When did that hit her that he was sex abusing
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  Speaker 2: her daughter. That's a nice way. That's candy coating for
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  Speaker 2: raping her. Shannon Butler with me, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go to Karen Stark, Ali Neil and doctor Pria Banerjee
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  Speaker 2: along with Bernarda the Alona. But Shannon Butler, when was
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  Speaker 2: it that Jen Soto stated, it wasn't evil that her
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  Speaker 2: living Stefan Stearn was sex abusing her daughter.
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  Speaker 1: When did that come out of her mouth?
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  Speaker 7: Well, during the interviews with the investigators, she appeared to
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  Speaker 7: not know that this was going on in side of
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  Speaker 7: her home. It wasn't really until investigator showed her that
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  Speaker 7: phone that she said, oh, so there was something happening here,
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  Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden she believed that there
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  Speaker 7: were things that were happening with Stephen Stern, Stephan Stearn's
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  Speaker 7: and it wasn't everything she thought it was, but it
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  Speaker 7: was very very strange. Her behavior and the way she
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  Speaker 7: believed Madeline was treated was maybe just kind of the
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  Speaker 7: way it was that it was the fact that he
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  Speaker 7: killed her that was so disturbing to her. I think
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  Speaker 7: there was a lot of things here, even for us
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  Speaker 7: and for investigators, that you just cannot figure out.
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  Speaker 3: You cannot figure out this mother very well.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't Shannon Baller, I really like you.
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  Speaker 2: I remember sitting right beside you, back on top of
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  Speaker 2: you during the Top Mom trial. Yeah, good times. But
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  Speaker 2: let's just analyze what you just said. Okay, she knew
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  Speaker 2: quite something was happening hapening You know, you're an incredible
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter, but it's very difficult for people to actually
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  Speaker 2: say the words that this grown man, Stefan Sterns, age
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  Speaker 2: thirty seven, was raping him right there him was raping
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  Speaker 2: an eleven year old baby girl down the hall from
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  Speaker 2: her own mother, and mommy would send her off to
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  Speaker 2: bed to sleep alone with Stefan Sterns. And you said
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  Speaker 2: something was happening. What that's something is Shannon, well child ray,
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  Speaker 2: that's the something that was happening, and now the girl
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  Speaker 2: is dead.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: What she said was that she was uncomfortable with the
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  Speaker 7: situation with her Stephen Stearns sleeping with her daughter.
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  Speaker 3: She said she was.
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  Speaker 7: Uncomfortable, but did it anyway. Even said at one point
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  Speaker 7: that she was selfish about it because she wanted a
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  Speaker 7: good night's sleep and that's why she sent her up
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  Speaker 7: there the night before or the night when she died,
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  Speaker 7: but that this was uncomfortable for her, but she did
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  Speaker 7: it anyway. These are the things that I think that
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  Speaker 7: you and the public really have a hard time wrapping
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  Speaker 7: your head around.
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  Speaker 3: As you should.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, Shannon, It took me, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 2: about seven years into my ten year stint prosecuting violent crimes.
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  Speaker 1: And this was after three years as a FED.
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  Speaker 2: I was looking over a defendant chargement murder in court.
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  Speaker 2: The victim's family was behind me crying, and I looked
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  Speaker 2: a him.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought why, And then it hit me after
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  Speaker 1: seven years, like a cement block.
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  Speaker 2: Why ask why? I don't have to know why. I
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  Speaker 2: have to know the truth. I'm only why up to
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  Speaker 2: a TV radio trauma expert psychologist Karen Stark. If you're
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  Speaker 2: looking for her online, it's Karenstark dot com, Karen with
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  Speaker 2: a C. Karen Temple throbbing. Now do you remember sitting
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  Speaker 2: with me on the set at Court TV? And I
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  Speaker 2: can actually see my heart in my eyeball. That's happening
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  Speaker 2: right now? Can you be in that much denial? And honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if she was in denial or not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at it from a probit of point
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  Speaker 2: of view. If she was in that much denial, that's
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  Speaker 2: one thing. But how could you be so deep in
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  Speaker 2: denial you don't know what's going on in the bedroom
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  Speaker 2: next to you.
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  Speaker 14: That's what denial is. It means that she's not letting
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  Speaker 14: herself know. Maybe on some levels she knows, but on
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  Speaker 14: another level she doesn't. But let's look at this because
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  Speaker 14: we have been up against this before. She's kind of
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  Speaker 14: selling her daughter to this man so that she could
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  Speaker 14: keep this man around. And that's somebody who's completely dependent.
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  Speaker 14: Maybe she had her own sexual abuse.
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  Speaker 1: In the past.
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  Speaker 14: We don't know what the story used in heaven.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a shred a particle of sentila, a
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  Speaker 2: microscopic bit of evidence to suggest Jen Soto had any
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  Speaker 2: sexual trauma in her history or any trauma period in
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  Speaker 2: her history. He just said maybe she was abused as
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  Speaker 2: a child. Where'd you get that from a fairy tale?
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  Speaker 14: It's trying to understand, like we said, like what is
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  Speaker 14: the Why.
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  Speaker 1: Would have just wrap the facts? Ma'am stick with the
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  Speaker 1: facts that we know.
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  Speaker 2: I know you're looking for explanations, which is what you're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do. And I need to hear that, and
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  Speaker 2: I need to hear her defense. Banara Bernara Violona is
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  Speaker 2: with us former prosecutor now were now defense attorney. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear the defense. She's not charged, she's
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  Speaker 2: not a suspect, she's not a ply person of interest.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at all the known inconsistencies in her statement.
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  Speaker 2: With the knowledge of the timeline that Shannon Butler and
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  Speaker 2: I have worked out along with LA law enforcement, this
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  Speaker 2: little girl was likely raped and murdered the night before
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  Speaker 2: the defendant props up her dead body and buckles it
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  Speaker 2: in and drives around with her in the car. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that happened. So give me the defense, BERNARDA, as only
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  Speaker 2: you can do.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear jen so Too's side.
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  Speaker 15: So if I were Jennifer Sodle's defense attorney, one thing
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  Speaker 15: I would do is stop her from talking.
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  Speaker 1: Remember, she is now required to give a statement.
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  Speaker 15: Yes, it looks bad because she's the mother, and she
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  Speaker 15: should be opened with law enforcement because her daughter was killed,
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  Speaker 15: and she should want to find answers, especially a think
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  Speaker 15: I haven't seen those photographic images of her husband, the
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  Speaker 15: person that she loved, was taking advantage of a thirteen
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  Speaker 15: year old daughter. But the best defense at this point
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  Speaker 15: is for Jennifer Sodle to stop talking.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if there.
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  Speaker 15: Are charges, the question would be what exact evidence do
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  Speaker 15: they have because here, in a case like this, you
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  Speaker 15: will want a witness to come and speak and say, look,
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  Speaker 15: I saw Jennifer Soda and she was well aware of
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  Speaker 15: actually what transpired that night before or that morning.
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  Speaker 3: And when she lied and she said that.
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  Speaker 15: She saw her daughter getting dressed for school, she said
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  Speaker 15: that because she was a part of the crime. Again,
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  Speaker 15: we're assuming because no allegations of such had been made,
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  Speaker 15: but we have to be on the offense. When you're
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  Speaker 15: talking about defending a woman such as Jennifer Sodo and
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  Speaker 15: looks that.
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  Speaker 3: It's horrible.
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  Speaker 15: I'm disgusted so many ways. It's heartbreaking because no one
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  Speaker 15: for Madeleine Soto.
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  Speaker 10: Crime stories.
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  Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, we.
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  Speaker 4: Were all going to sleep together in the same bed.
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  Speaker 4: But I needed some good sleep. I'm not I got
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  Speaker 4: a new job recently, I haven't been well arrested. I
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  Speaker 4: needed some sleep. So I asked, Hey, can you guys
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  Speaker 4: go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he was
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  Speaker 4: gonna get her ready, Inkedy.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, Okay, so you needed some good seven o'clock.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went.
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  Speaker 1: To bed, all right.
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  Speaker 11: And another thing I just wanted to confirm, because I
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  Speaker 11: know the last night was a long night. But you
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  Speaker 11: said you you said when you woke up around nine,
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  Speaker 11: you left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's
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  Speaker 11: appointment and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then he
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  Speaker 11: called you at ten. You were returned year ten fifteenish
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  Speaker 11: to say to have the conversation McDonald's.
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  Speaker 13: And yeah, she didn't want McDonald's.
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  Speaker 12: And he came home.
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  Speaker 13: I think he had accidentally left his horn at home.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so he was.
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  Speaker 13: Just letting me know because I had to learn I
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  Speaker 13: had called it a multiple five. He was just returning
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  Speaker 13: my publn.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I left the corner at home.
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  Speaker 13: I went to the beef store and weave there for
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  Speaker 13: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And nothing sood he was there, I mean left the
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  Speaker 2: phone at home by accident. When he's disposing of the body,
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  Speaker 2: I think Brian Coburger that night, of all nights, while
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  Speaker 2: he's how stargazing, he leaves his phone at home coinstantly,
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  Speaker 2: the same time that four University Idaho students are murdered
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  Speaker 2: in their own beds. We're seeing that over and over
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  Speaker 2: and over where criminals have the savvy to turn off
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  Speaker 2: their phone.
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  Speaker 1: Or leave it at home. But can we just talk
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  Speaker 1: one moment about how how.
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  Speaker 2: Maddie's body is found And I want to circle back
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  Speaker 2: to the fact that even though her body's found out
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  Speaker 2: in the woods.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently her body.
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  Speaker 2: Had to be thrown over a chainling and Barbara fence,
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  Speaker 2: just thrown over. She was wearing socks, remember, out in
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  Speaker 2: the woods, totally pristine. You know that from one piece
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  Speaker 2: of evidence. You can just learn so much if you
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  Speaker 2: just sit down and think, what are those socks? Tell me?
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  Speaker 2: Those socks tell me that Maddie never left the house,
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  Speaker 2: that she was wearing those socks in the house when
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  Speaker 2: she was killed, or they would have been dirty because
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  Speaker 2: she didn't have any shoes on. Right, which lets me
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  Speaker 2: know where I need to look for the primary crime scene.
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  Speaker 2: It's not in a car. It's not in that field
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  Speaker 2: behind a Barbara fl answer. Her body was found.
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  Speaker 1: In the home. Now that I know that, by power
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  Speaker 1: of deduction, what does that tell me?
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  Speaker 2: It tells me that Mommy was in the home when
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  Speaker 2: Maddie was murdered.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: When Madeleine's body was removed from underneath the dry grass
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: and hay, detectives were able to immediately identify her by
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: a mole she has on her cheek. Her body shows
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: signs of decomposition to one side of her face. In
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: her hands, Madeleine is wearing a green hoodie with the
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: hoodie covering the top of her head, blue jeans, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: white socks. The police report notes that Madeleine's socks were clean,
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: indicating she did not walk anywhere or the socks would
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: have dirt on the bottom. Someone carried Madeline to the
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: place she was found.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Joining me is Allie Neil, the co founder and executive
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: director of Revved Up Kids. We have been colleagues for
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a really long time. You can find her revd Upkids
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: dot org. Alie Neil.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I know you've been chomping at the bit.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: We earlier heard somebody say that this was Jennifer Soto's husband.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: It's not Jennifer Soto's husband. He's a live in Okay.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: They've broken up, gotten back together. He lives in his
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: mom's basement. I don't know that he has a job,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: not judging. But you know, ladies, if you're going to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: take a guy in number one, make sure he won't
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: harm your children or be a bad influence on them.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And number two, try to find somebody with a job.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: They don't have to help you, because ladies, you're doing
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that all on your own. But don't let them hurt you.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Sleeping in your bed, eating your food, you're washing his clothes. Seriously,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that's hurting you. This guy is an her husband, Elli Neil,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: help me out. How many flashing red bills of alarm are.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: There in this day?
• 22:11
  Speaker 16: Oh, at least thirty five thousand. That would be the
• 22:15
  Speaker 16: pornographic images they found on his phone. Right, So we've
• 22:18
  Speaker 16: got just red flag after red flag after red flag.
• 22:22
  Speaker 16: Probably from the beginning of the relationship, so Mattie was
• 22:27
  Speaker 16: six or seven, they were dating for seven years. He
• 22:30
  Speaker 16: was probably grooming her from the beginning, and who knows
• 22:35
  Speaker 16: if it'll come out that he was actually sexually abusing
• 22:37
  Speaker 16: her sooner than age eleven. But regardless, it's hard for me.
• 22:42
  Speaker 17: To believe that Jen didn't know what was going on.
• 22:46
  Speaker 17: Certainly she knew there's not a normal man in the
• 22:49
  Speaker 17: world that sleeps in a bed with a thirteen year
• 22:52
  Speaker 17: old child, So it's.
• 22:56
  Speaker 16: Obvious that he was sexually abusing her.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: But I believe too, And.
• 23:01
  Speaker 16: She's studied then said he was a master manipulator, kind
• 23:06
  Speaker 16: a master liar, and I believe probably a narcissist who
• 23:11
  Speaker 16: for their entire relationship was just making Jen think that
• 23:16
  Speaker 16: she was reading into situations that you know, just kind
• 23:20
  Speaker 16: of gaslighting her about his relationship with Maddie. And that's
• 23:26
  Speaker 16: what sexual predators do. They are able to manipulate everybody
• 23:32
  Speaker 16: around them into believing that they're amazing and wonderful. And
• 23:36
  Speaker 16: you see it over and over and over again with all.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Of these stories.
• 23:40
  Speaker 16: So it's just it's heartbreaking that this was allowed to
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: go on.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking the way that it ended.
• 23:48
  Speaker 16: And I think there's a lot more to the story
• 23:51
  Speaker 16: that's going to be coming out, especially as the trial
• 23:53
  Speaker 16: begins in October.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Allie Neil, co founder executive director Revved Up Kids. It's
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: all about protecting children. And in your experience, I have
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: have you seen a pattern?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: And I don't have a statistic.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: This is all anecdotal as men that seek out single
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: moms in order to get to their children.
• 24:19
  Speaker 16: Absolutely, and we actually train moms and we specifically tell
• 24:25
  Speaker 16: the single moms that we say, you are an especially
• 24:29
  Speaker 16: high target for a sexual predator who knows that your
• 24:33
  Speaker 16: life is busy, who knows that you have a lot
• 24:36
  Speaker 16: on your plate, who is going to sweep in like
• 24:38
  Speaker 16: your night in shining armor and help you with the kids.
• 24:42
  Speaker 16: And one of the things we say for them to
• 24:44
  Speaker 16: look for is if you go out on a date
• 24:48
  Speaker 16: with a normal person, they're not going to really be
• 24:51
  Speaker 16: ready to have a relationship with your kids until they're
• 24:54
  Speaker 16: feeling really serious about you and maybe ready.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: To put a ring on it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 16: If you date somebody and within the first couple of dates,
• 25:03
  Speaker 16: they're eager to know everything about your kids and meet
• 25:06
  Speaker 16: your kids because they just.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Want to sleep with your kid.
• 25:10
  Speaker 16: Well, that comes later, but yeah, they will. They will
• 25:15
  Speaker 16: just you know, Oh, I just love kids. I just
• 25:18
  Speaker 16: love to be around kids. I would love to meet
• 25:20
  Speaker 16: your kids. And they'll be enchanting about it, and the
• 25:24
  Speaker 16: kids will love them at the beginning, and they will
• 25:26
  Speaker 16: build trust and that's what they do, and then that causes.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm so impressed that you actually teach this
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: as part of revved up kids to single moms. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you just brought up the specter Allie Neil that I've
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: got to confront. He started videoing himself raping and sex
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: abusing Maddie when she's eleven.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: How do I know?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: It didn't start long before that, and then he had
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the idea to.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Start videoing it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: A supplemental report released by the Kassimi Police Department gives
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: details about how Madeline ended up in a wooded area
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: behind a locked fence. The report states, based upon the
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: clothing description seen on several videos, the body did appear
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: to be that of Madeline. The lock to the farm
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: was still locked, and it didn't appear to be tampered with.
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: Stephen would have had to drop Madeleine's body over the
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: barbed wire fence or where the gate was, then move
• 26:26
  Speaker 9: her body to the location where she was found, all right.
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: And another thing I just wanted to confirm, because I
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: know the last night was a long night. But he
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: said you You said when you woke up around nine.
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: You left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's appointment,
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: He called you at ten.
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: You were ten to fifteen minutes to say, to have
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: the conversation mcdonaldson.
• 26:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah, she and WT McDonald so he came home. I
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: think he had accidentally left his phone at home.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So he.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Was just letting me know because I had.
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: I had called them multiple fives. He was just pretraining
• 27:11
  Speaker 13: my puzzling.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: I left the forlorn at home. I went to the
• 27:13
  Speaker 13: beef store. I waited there for a little bit and nothing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 13: Nobody was there.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I needed some sleep, so I asked, Hey, can you
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: was going to get her ready.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Inked sorry, okay, so.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I sent them upstairs and I went to bed.
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: During autopsy of Madeleine Sooto, medical examiner doctor Stephen Giles
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: express concern over Madeline's hyoid bone in her neck. Giles
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: stated the right portion of the bone was not intact,
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: which could possibly be related to her being strangled. The
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: autopsy determined that Madelein Soto died by strangulation. Investigators find
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: shocking searches on the computer used by Stephan Stearns. One
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: of the Google searches is for CuO of florine, little
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: anesthetic that provides hypnosis, amnesia, analgesia, echinesia, and autonomic blockade
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: during surgical and procedural interventions.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm trying to figure out what all that meant.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: But luckily I don't need my medical degree because joining
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: me as a renowned expert doctor priat Banergy, Board certified
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: forensic pathologist, an atomic pathologist at Anchor Forensic Pathology consulting
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: doctor Priya It's wonderful to see you. I wish it
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: were under better circumstances. But I need to understand a
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: what seven fluorine is, but most importantly the cause of
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: death on this little girl, and how does the hyoid
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: bone being moved factor into the determination of cause of death?
• 28:50
  Speaker 18: So seve of florine is an anesthet so how he
• 28:55
  Speaker 18: even got his hands on it is beyond me.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: That's going to knock her out.
• 29:00
  Speaker 18: You know, that's not anything anybody.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Should have, any kids should have in their system.
• 29:04
  Speaker 18: It's beyond me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: So that is.
• 29:07
  Speaker 18: Completely abnormal in the toxicology. But what you're getting at,
• 29:13
  Speaker 18: regardless of what's in her system, is that she was
• 29:17
  Speaker 18: overpowered and strangled. The high eid bone where you pointed
• 29:22
  Speaker 18: and where I'm pointing, is high up in the neck.
• 29:24
  Speaker 18: It's a small U shaped floating bone. I often try
• 29:28
  Speaker 18: to make it analogous to the wishbone in a bird
• 29:32
  Speaker 18: in a turkey that we've played with.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: It's that delicate.
• 29:36
  Speaker 18: It should be fine until someone puts their hands or
• 29:40
  Speaker 18: a ligature something around the neck applying pressure on both sides,
• 29:45
  Speaker 18: and then it snacks.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: It's a very very fragile bone, very rack I can
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: even call it that is it more akin to cartilage
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: or more akin to bone.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question.
• 29:58
  Speaker 18: In younger people like Madeline, it's actually part bone, part cartilage.
• 30:04
  Speaker 18: It's not even fully come together. But if you can
• 30:08
  Speaker 18: see a clear break in it, like my colleague has
• 30:12
  Speaker 18: said that he did, and he certified it a strangulation
• 30:15
  Speaker 18: because of that, that shows how aggressive and up close
• 30:21
  Speaker 18: you have to get to hurt her.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: This is not so you know what, doctor Preya, I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: got to nail this down because I need more than
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: a displace hyoid, because the defense could easily argue.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, well that happened the week before when.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: She was doing gymnastics, and blah blah blah, what else
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: would you expect? Number one, you're saying, no, that would
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: not have happened by accident. But number two, what else
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: would you expect to see? What manifestation in her body
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: would you expect to see during autopsy that would prove
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to me she died of strangulation.
• 30:59
  Speaker 18: Coming back just to finish on the highway. It moves,
• 31:03
  Speaker 18: so you need pressure on both sides to break it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 18: It doesn't happen in gymnastics, It doesn't happen from a
• 31:08
  Speaker 18: bike fall. I've seen it in high vol you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 18: velocity high speed car crashes. It's violent. But she if
• 31:17
  Speaker 18: she was alive, you would see bleeding in the muscles,
• 31:21
  Speaker 18: potential particular hemorrhages, pinpoint hemorrhages, and the eyes, the mouth,
• 31:26
  Speaker 18: potentially on her fair skin.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: It's not going to be alone. It's not going to
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: be the only finding.
• 31:32
  Speaker 18: It's very telltale doesn't have to always happen to be strangled,
• 31:38
  Speaker 18: but it's up close personal and.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Violent crime stories With Nancy Grace, I'm just trying to
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: imagine what this child went through and what was happening
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: to her when she was trying dead. You know. Shannon
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Butler jumping off with doctor Pria Banerjee just told us
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Shannon Butler joining us.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: From WFTV nine.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: She was found in a wooded area where the property
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: owner had to come out and unlocked gates, which tells
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: me that their deduction is correct. Police deduction is correct.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: That Matty basically had to be thrown over a chain
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: link fence and there's some barbed wire involved. They start
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: walking and after a few moments they notice a pair
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of blue jeans and ultimately Mattie's body.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Where was she found.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: So this is a ranch in rural Ostiola County. That
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: area of Florida has you know, big cattle ranches, orange groves,
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: things like that along that side of road. Remember, he
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: got a flat tire, so he had to pull over
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: and change that flat tire. Right in that area there
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: was one of those big ranch but you can't get
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: on the ranch because there was a big fence around it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: So the only thing he could do, police say, was
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: to toss her over. And when the detectives got out there,
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: when they were searching looking in that area, they called
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: the rancher said, hey, can you let us on the property.
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: Say's no problem, right down the street, I'll be right there.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: And when they came in, she was actually the first
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: time they looked, they didn't see her because she was
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: kind of behind like bales of hay, and so they
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: had to when they got through, they walked around and
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: they could see that she was laying there in that
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: wooded area.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: God bless her little soul. Listen to these guys.
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: Stephen Stearns was arrested while the search for Madaline was
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: ongoing when Orange County Sheriff's Office found disturbing evidence on
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: Stern's phone. Stephen Stearns turns his phone over to the
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: police to aid in the search for Madeline and tells
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: them he accidentally did a factory reset on his phone
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: the day Madaline vanished. Investigators recovered several photos and videos
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: showing Star Turns sexually battering.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: A child idiot he thought he could erase nearly two
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: thousand porn images, many many of them we believe to be.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Maddie.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's arrested, but I gotta show you this
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: video we found of him in the back seat of
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the patrol cruiser where he's whining.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: He's whining.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Maddie has been raped, strangled, dead, and dumped in a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: rural area. This is after he's been raping her since
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: at least age eleven. Thank you very much, Allie Neil
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: for making me now consider she was raped before she
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: was eleven.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: But listen to this guy wine. He needs a little
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: cheese to go with that wine.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Listens twenty three years through the orders.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: The first time was on a concrete sto to the paper.
• 35:00
  Speaker 16: For Bell.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Nelson Mills.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Mag It for a blanket, bad to speak for two days.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I love the guy driving the cruiser.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Did you see him.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: He's going as he listens to accused child rapist killer
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Stephan Stern's wine, it was like a degree or two
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: lower than it should have been. And the deputy goes, wow,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I bet he just wants to Stephan sterns And then
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: he goes on, you know, a subdom bearymel the first night,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and I used a roll of toilet paper for a pillow,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: begging for a blanket. I bet Matty Soto which she
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: could have a blanket right now. Look at this guy,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, bernarda Violina. I know that you're gonna object
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and say this is irrelevant. You can't bring that footage
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: in of him whining in the backseat of the cruiser
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do. But I guarantee you I will
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: find a legal and ethical way to bring it in.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Such as maybe to show.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: His demeanor and his calm at the time that Maddie
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: is being autopsied, because most normal people, normal whatever that is,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: would be upset and crying and saying.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: You gotta find out who killed Maddie. You got to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: find out who did this to her.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But he's like, you know, it was like a degree
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: lower than it really should have been. In the jail
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: last night, stop me, Stop me if I can't get that, Yes, Nancy,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: of course, and the information and evidence is going to
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: be let him because any statement that the defendant makes
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: can be used against him in court.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: So the prosecution is going to.
• 36:55
  Speaker 15: Be able to get that in but of course the
• 36:56
  Speaker 15: defense is going to object to it and say that
• 36:59
  Speaker 15: it's too prejudiced, so it has no relevance to the charges.
• 37:02
  Speaker 15: It doesn't go to prove any of the elements of
• 37:04
  Speaker 15: the crime.
• 37:05
  Speaker 19: And of course you have to know that because the
• 37:08
  Speaker 19: state is pursuing the death penalty, that they are going
• 37:11
  Speaker 19: to be objecting to every little thing in this case
• 37:15
  Speaker 19: in order to preserve any appeal that can't take place
• 37:19
  Speaker 19: if there's a conviction in this case.
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: All right, And another thing I just wanted to confirm,
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: because I know the last night was a long night.
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: But you said you you said when you woke up
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: around nine, you left your house at nine thirty for
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: your doctor's appointment, and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: then he called you at ten you were ten fifteenish
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: to say, to have the conversation mcdonaldson.
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah, she and want McDonald so he came home. I
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: think he had accidentally left his current at home.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was just like, you know, because I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: had room.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I had called them multiple signs.
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: He was just returning my puzzling.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I left the front at home.
• 38:05
  Speaker 13: I went to the beep store. I waited there for
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: a little bit.
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: Nothing.
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: Nobody was there.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: We were all going to sleep together in the same bed.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: But I needed some good sleep and I had not.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I got a new job recently, I haven't been more arrested.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: I needed some sleep. So I asked, Hey, can you
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: was going to get her ready inky.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: Sorry, Okay, so he needed some good seven o'clock.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Straight out to doctor pre Banerjee. I need your expertise again,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: doctor Banerjee. They did not teach me this in law school.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the substance that the live in Stefan
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Stearns was googling what is it?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: And how could that have been used on.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Matti and would it have shown up in an autopsy?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And if they didn't get it in a.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Regular TALS panel, could we exhume her and look for it?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Or possibly they still have some of her tissue they
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: could use to search for it in that tissue.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: This is all great.
• 39:19
  Speaker 18: So several fluorine is anesthetic, Okay, this is what they
• 39:23
  Speaker 18: can use during surgery.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: You don't just get it willy nilly.
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: I think they need to go back to the scene
• 39:29
  Speaker 18: and see was it used.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Did he snuff her out?
• 39:32
  Speaker 18: It's inhaled, you know, it doesn't just get in your
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: body by injection. Even so, where does he get it?
• 39:39
  Speaker 18: And is there a rag or how did he get
• 39:41
  Speaker 18: her to breathe it in? Did he knock her out
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: before strangling her? And That's what I'm really concerned about
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  Speaker 18: because when I don't have any interests that he has scratches,
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  Speaker 18: you know, his facebooks clean. She should have fought back
• 39:56
  Speaker 18: if he's being strangled, and we just don't see that
• 39:59
  Speaker 18: now the decomp.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if that would have shown up in
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: a regular toxicology panel, and if not, I'm sure they
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: still have some of her tissue or blood some sort
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: of body fluid left from the autopsy that they could
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: test for this to find out if you use that
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: on her quick question Shannon Butler are joining us WFTV nine.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of unusual phone calls are being made by
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Stepan Stearns behind bars to five different people.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: One was a hang up, I.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Believe, one was to his father, believe to other family member.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: There's a mystery call that he keeps calling this number
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: a lot from behind bars. And also it's my understanding
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: that the state has just issued a subpoena for updated
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: phone and computer data relating to jen Soto. Mommy, is
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: it possible she is that fifth person.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: That he is calling from behind bars?
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: It is possible.
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  Speaker 7: Actually, I asked that question early this morning of investigators.
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  Speaker 3: Who is this call?
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: They said, we have been subpoenaing those phone records every
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: single month, and so they did not answer what that
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: number was where those phone calls were coming from. But
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: State expect that information is coming shortly.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Again, Mommy is not a suspect. Mommy is not a
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: POI person of interest.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: She is absolutely not suspected of being the one that
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: murdered her daughter.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: We wait as just as some poles. Thank you to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: all of our guests. Again, Jennifer Sota not a suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend