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Jeffrey Osborne Jr. on R&B, Famous Parents & Building His Own LEGACY | Born To The Game Podcast · Born To The Game Podcast

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  Speaker 1: So a lot of times I don't even tell people
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  Speaker 1: my name, really. I just introduce myself as Jeff or Jeffrey.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: There's no Osborne at the end. There's no Junior at
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  Speaker 1: the end, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that way it's like a level playing field.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Born to the Game, produced by ARCA Media
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  Speaker 2: Group in collaboration with Inflection Network and distributed through iHeartMedia.
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  Speaker 2: This is a space for the children and families of
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  Speaker 2: iconic athletes, entertainers, and cultural figures share the truth behind legacy.
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  Speaker 2: Not just what their families did, but who they were
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  Speaker 2: and how that legacy continues.
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  Speaker 4: And today's guest comes from a family whose music has
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  Speaker 4: been part of people's lives for generations. His father, Jeffrey Osborne,
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  Speaker 4: built an incredible career from his years with LTD to
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  Speaker 4: becoming one of R & B' s most recognizable voices. But today,
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  Speaker 4: we're getting to know Jeffrey Osborne Jr.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about what it was like growing up in
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  Speaker 2: the Osborne family, the pressure and identity that come with
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  Speaker 2: carrying a recognizable name, his own passion and career in music,
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  Speaker 2: and ultimately, the legacy he's creating himself.
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Osborne Jr., welcome to Born to the Game!
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  Speaker 1: Welcome!
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  Speaker 2: Yay!
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  Speaker 4: And our new beautiful set.
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  Speaker 3: I know. We got the round table. Okay, we're getting personal.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having us.
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  Speaker 2: We're so excited to have you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm excited to be here. Yes. Your hair,
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  Speaker 1: you just look so dapper.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he just looks fresh. I mean, when he
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  Speaker 3: walked in, I was like, wow.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just posted on my Instagram story me with, like,
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  Speaker 2: four braids.
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  Speaker 3: Looking like Felicia.
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  Speaker 2: And I said I look like Felicia from Friday. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: how you have your braids is how I thought I
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  Speaker 2: was looking.
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  Speaker 3: But it is not so much. It wasn't given that.
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  Speaker 1: Not so much.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to work on it, though.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: You look great.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to my sister for the braids.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, shout out.
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  Speaker 5: Tiff?
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  Speaker 1: And my other sister, Janine.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, shout out to Janine. Got you looking fresh to death.
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  Speaker 3: Come do mine. Well, we're here to get to know you.
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  Speaker 2: We all know your dad, who is a dear friend
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  Speaker 2: of ours.
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  Speaker 3: We love him so much.
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  Speaker 2: We want to get to know you and what you're doing,
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  Speaker 2: your music, your basketball, how you went from playing basketball
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  Speaker 2: to getting into music.
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  Speaker 3: Just all the things.
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  Speaker 2: So just take us back to your upbringing and Family,
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  Speaker 2: childhood dynamic.
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  Speaker 3: What was it like growing up in the Osborne household?
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  Speaker 1: I would say it was a fairly normal childhood. I
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  Speaker 1: really don't have anything else to compare it to. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: growing up in the house, I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was, well, what people don't know, my dad is like,
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  Speaker 1: he's very funny. He's a nonstop jokester. Very corny jokes also.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a family trait. He's passed it down
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  Speaker 1: to everybody along the way. And so there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that going on always. Mom was always very, very strict.
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  Speaker 1: Don't mess with mom at all. It was the one
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  Speaker 1: look and it's like, okay. It was a sit show. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of that. Okay. um but overall it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty normal childhood yeah i would say so when.
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  Speaker 2: Did you realize dad was famous like what moment were.
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  Speaker 3: You like oh people love ballad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah like people love my dad oh my.
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  Speaker 1: Gosh probably at a much later i don't know maybe
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  Speaker 1: around 10 or so i mean i usually i grew
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  Speaker 1: up at the shows always um backstage, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: at that a certain age, you're just running around playing
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  Speaker 1: with and just being rambunctious, you know, not really, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the environment is. I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 1: have some fun. It don't matter where I'm at. And so, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it really hit or became an understanding
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  Speaker 1: until like you see him on TV and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, what, what dad's on television? And so
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  Speaker 1: then you start asking questions, you know, at that age.
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  Speaker 1: So it was probably around eight to 10. Eight to ten. Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Where it would be kind of like really like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that is.
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  Speaker 3: He's a singer.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right. He's famous.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember some of the acts that you used
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  Speaker 4: to see when you were small in the backstage?
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  Speaker 1: Not particularly. Can't remember? No, not particularly, no. I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the times he was doing like Evening With,
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  Speaker 1: it was just him. I do remember, well, this was
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  Speaker 1: like seventh grade. We went to Japan for a show.
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  Speaker 1: What part? Tokyo.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: It was really dope. That was with Ashanti at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that one in my mind. Of course you do.
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  Speaker 3: Of course you remember Ashanti. Were you born when Wings
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  Speaker 3: of Love came out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? Yes, I was already born. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: was born after the song was already out, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen him perform that in person?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, many times.
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  Speaker 4: So what's your favorite song for him to perform for you?
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  Speaker 1: What's your favorite one? It's a song that he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: perform all the time. It's called Share My Love. It's, like,
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  Speaker 1: one of the, like, album cuts from LTD. Yeah, a ballad.
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  Speaker 3: Now we'll have to play it. We'll have to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do.
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  Speaker 1: It's a really... It's an incredible song. And I just
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  Speaker 1: love the way that they did the arrangement for the
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  Speaker 1: live show and the things that he does with it.
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  Speaker 1: He usually would, like, at the end of the song,
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  Speaker 1: kind of, the whole band kind of breaks down and
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  Speaker 1: gets really quiet. And it's just him by himself. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes he would just put the mic down and sing
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  Speaker 1: a cappella to the crowd. So it was, like, a
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  Speaker 1: very powerful, like... Just a moment, you know, of, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So watching that, how did that make you feel being
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  Speaker 2: his son? Do you remember any emotion that you were
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  Speaker 2: feeling just watching him on stage?
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  Speaker 3: Were you proud?
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  Speaker 1: I would say proud, for sure. And I think this
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  Speaker 1: is definitely much later, you know. Probably not until I
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  Speaker 1: started going out and working with him, really, that I
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  Speaker 1: started to like, it fully became aware of his impact
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  Speaker 1: his music has had on people. um and just who
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  Speaker 1: he is and just like the amount of passion and
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  Speaker 1: joy that he has like on stage every single night
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  Speaker 1: and knowing that he's been doing this for over 50
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  Speaker 1: years and it's like that's a long time to do
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  Speaker 1: anything yeah and so to do it with as much
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  Speaker 1: passion and as much energy um that he does night
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  Speaker 1: in and night out it's like it's very inspiring it's
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  Speaker 1: like damn like i gotta I want that, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He did an impromptu song at the golf tournament.
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  Speaker 1: He did.
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  Speaker 3: He's just effortless.
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  Speaker 4: He just got up on stage and just started singing
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  Speaker 4: and it was like, being in a studio, it was incredible.
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  Speaker 4: He just gets up, it just comes out, and he
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  Speaker 4: sounds exactly how we, it's like nothing.
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  Speaker 2: No autotune.
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  Speaker 3: No autotune, nothing, it's just like.
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  Speaker 2: This is organic.
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  Speaker 4: I've never seen a person that effort, just get up
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  Speaker 4: and it just comes out of his mouth, and it's just.
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  Speaker 3: Like velvet, it was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm jealous, because he sang at my sister's wedding.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have a wedding. It was a moment.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like I need to, so that your
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  Speaker 2: dad can come sing at mine too, because my sister
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  Speaker 2: can't have that one up. What's something about being Jeffrey
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  Speaker 2: Osborne's son that felt completely normal growing up that you
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  Speaker 2: now realize definitely was not normal?
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  Speaker 1: OK, I would say Laker games for sure, because he
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  Speaker 1: opened the season for the Lakers for like 25, 26
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  Speaker 1: years in a row. So he would open the season.
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  Speaker 1: He would. seeing the first game of the playoffs. Anytime
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  Speaker 1: there was a game seven, he was singing. He would open.
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  Speaker 1: If there was the finals, he was the opener. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that. It was like a Lakers good luck charm. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Especially like during the Showtime era with Magic and all
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  Speaker 1: those guys, like he was their good luck charm. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: his record was like he never lost when they sung.
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  Speaker 1: So he would always.
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  Speaker 3: Want them to sing. He was the back for Jordan. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: I never knew this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what came with that was that before every game,
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  Speaker 1: I would just, because everybody knew him, I would just
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  Speaker 1: get to sit on the bench.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Or sit right behind the bench, and all the players
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  Speaker 1: would come up, shake my hand and everything. So that
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  Speaker 1: was every single game. That was my spot. Right. And
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  Speaker 1: then we would be in the locker room after every game. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that would be a normal.
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  Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. It's definitely not normal. And then you
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  Speaker 3: look just like him.
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  Speaker 1: Spitting image.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like literally. Spitting image. You look exactly like him.
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  Speaker 1: Spitting image.
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  Speaker 3: That is so cool. I'd never do that.
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  Speaker 2: Can we watch this on YouTube? Like, are we able
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  Speaker 2: to pull up footage of him singing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to look into that once we leave.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: What was your relationship like with mom? What did she
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  Speaker 2: bring to the family that was uniquely her?
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  Speaker 3: Besides her look. Right. For you to go sit down.
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  Speaker 1: Sit down. Sit down. That was, I think she was
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  Speaker 1: the glue, really. She brought everybody together. She had a
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  Speaker 1: unique way of just taking care of everybody, taking care
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  Speaker 1: of people. And we have a large family and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how people's lives go, everybody's, you know, doing all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of things, but she always made sure that we always
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  Speaker 1: came together. Um, whether it was with our cooking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's like my parents' house is like the gathering house
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  Speaker 1: where we all go to. Um, so I would say that, that,
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  Speaker 1: that for sure. Excuse me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any piece of, of advice that your parents
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  Speaker 2: have given you that you carry with you day to day?
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  Speaker 3: Or just lessons, anything.
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  Speaker 2: That you just carry from your childhood into today? Because
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  Speaker 2: you're how old?
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  Speaker 1: 37. Are you? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't crack. Jeffrey, I thought you were going to
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  Speaker 3: say 25 at best.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. That's one thing that they gave me
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  Speaker 1: for sure. Good genes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing genes.
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  Speaker 5: Because I'm shook.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So any lesson, advice?
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  Speaker 1: I would say that it was just mostly the work
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  Speaker 1: ethic and value of a dollar. Ooh. Honestly. I remember
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  Speaker 1: one time helping my dad clean out a closet when
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid. And I started throwing the pennies
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  Speaker 1: in the trash. And he was like, what the– Yeah. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: you better not. This is money. I don't care how
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  Speaker 1: much it is. This is money. We don't throw this away.
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  Speaker 1: So it was that. And yeah, they always, they instilled
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  Speaker 1: a work ethic for sure in me. They never just like,
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  Speaker 1: even though he had the means to, would just buy
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  Speaker 1: me stuff. You know, it was always, I had to
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  Speaker 1: do something. I had to work for it. I had
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  Speaker 1: to earn everything, which really taught me the value of
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  Speaker 1: hard work, really.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's something that I carry with me into everything that
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 3: So you said hard work. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What was, do you remember your first job?
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  Speaker 1: That's just interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious to know.
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  Speaker 1: My first job, I think it was Bank of America.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What were you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I worked in the home loans department. So I was
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  Speaker 1: in the shipping department of home loans and I was
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  Speaker 1: just shipping people's home loans from one place to another, basically.
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  Speaker 3: But how does that work?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean? I would get a box of files.
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  Speaker 1: They would come in. I would have to open it
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  Speaker 1: and put the information into AS400, which was the database,
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  Speaker 1: and put it into another box, tape it up, zip it,
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  Speaker 1: and take it to the doc. Oh, cool. It was
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  Speaker 1: basically data entry.
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  Speaker 3: And you were how old?
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  Speaker 1: I was 20 maybe. Okay. They wouldn't let me work. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So my mom would not let me get a job.
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  Speaker 1: That's one thing. In high school, she was like, no.
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  Speaker 3: You need to focus on your work.
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  Speaker 1: Focus on work. Go to school. I'll give you some allowance.
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  Speaker 1: What you need to buy. What do you need?
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  Speaker 3: What do you need money for?
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  Speaker 1: I can see your mom saying that. What do you need?
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  Speaker 1: You don't need no money. Stop. Go play basketball. Do
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  Speaker 1: your thing. Be a kid. That was kind of the thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's dope.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't until later that I started actually working.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, if we could go back in time.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: To not have to work in this economy.
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  Speaker 1: Because now we... Please, where is that? Okay, adulting is
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  Speaker 1: very ghetto. Very.
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  Speaker 3: Send me back.
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  Speaker 2: Before we move into the fishbowl, I want to ask you,
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  Speaker 2: were there artists around your family growing up that you
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  Speaker 2: didn't realize were legends until you got older?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean... Johnny Gill was at my house a
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  Speaker 1: lot when I was a kid. Didn't really know who
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  Speaker 1: or who's this.
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  Speaker 3: Was he just going around saying, my, my, my?
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  Speaker 1: Like there was always people that would be around, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that would come over for sessions, recording, because my dad
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  Speaker 1: has a studio at the house. And yeah, I know
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Gill sticks out for sure as an art, like
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  Speaker 1: artist wise. But I mean, Magic came to the house
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  Speaker 1: one time too. That was like, what? Patrick Johnson's in
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  Speaker 1: the backyard.
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  Speaker 3: Just chilling, having a cocktail.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about anyone else that was at
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  Speaker 1: the house that I was around. But no, no one
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  Speaker 1: else really. comes to mind. I'm sure that there were more.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure. I know that there were.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Johnny Gill and Magic Johnson were kind of
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  Speaker 2: put you on the spot, though.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, like, at that time as a kid, again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: at home. I'm in my element. I'm probably running around
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  Speaker 1: doing something wild, something I'm not supposed to be doing.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just, hi and bye. Come say hi. You're like, hey.
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  Speaker 3: Come say hi to Magic Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, okay, whatever. Okay, hey. Hey, big man.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Bye, big man. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Describe your relationship with your dad in one word, if
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  Speaker 2: you can describe it.
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  Speaker 1: One word. Loving.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. His twin.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think I realized how much y'all looked
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  Speaker 2: alike until I started stalking your Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, it's crazy. I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at him with hair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: With hair.
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  Speaker 2: With hair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That was good. That was really good.
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  Speaker 2: So I think now we should transition into the fishbowl.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the first time that we have this.
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  Speaker 2: It's so small, but it holds a huge significance, right?
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  Speaker 2: So there's a reason why we chose a fishbowl. A
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  Speaker 2: fishbowl is transparent. You can see what's inside. And when
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  Speaker 2: we think about legacy, so much of it is viewed
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  Speaker 2: from the outside, right? The name, the success, the accomplishments.
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  Speaker 2: But there's always more beneath the surface. The pressure, the purpose,
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  Speaker 2: the choices, the experiences that shape who you become. So
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  Speaker 2: inside the bowl are different parts of that journey. And
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  Speaker 2: whatever you pull, we're going to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: So, and once it's out, it's out. So go ahead
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  Speaker 3: and let's pull your first token. Let's see what we got.
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  Speaker 3: The first pull up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. The first pull up.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta close your eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Don't look. I looked away. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: I'm hoping he pulls the games. I want him to
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  Speaker 3: pull the games.
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  Speaker 1: Which one? Purpose.
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  Speaker 3: Purpose.
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  Speaker 1: Yay.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good one. So I'll take perfect.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Let's do it. Let's get into it. Off grip.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Who is Jeffrey Osborne Jr. outside of being Jeffrey Osborne's son?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Coming in hot, honey. Coming in hot, honey.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I love that. Hmm. I would say, well, a father.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: For sure. That's kind of taking up all the time. Absolutely. Yeah. Father.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: An artist. Creator. Really. Just a very, very creative individual.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Whether that be music or... I do a little bit
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: of everything. I'm not a master of one. I'm kind
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: of a jack of all trades. Whether it's producing music,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: mixing music, recording, playing instruments... Flutes, Native American flutes. I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: saw that.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey. We should have told you to bring it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: You know what? I should have brought one.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I was up here last night. I was like, oh
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: my gosh. We should have told you to bring it.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: And I played some of your YouTubes last night.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: They're so soothing. I was out. I was knocked out.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Mouth open.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: It got me.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: So you said you're creative, so there's different mediums. What
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: is your go-to, though? Every artist has a go-to that
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: they go to express themselves or when you just kind
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: of need to get things out.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I would say music is probably, for sure, number one.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And a lot of the other mediums that I've chosen,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: everything kind of revolves around my music.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: There aren't really a lot of random things, I would say.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So all of it has been to supplement my music.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: And so whether that's filmmaking, I love cinematography. So things
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: of that nature. Editing. I love color grading. I just
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: found out. I'm like, oh, wow, I love doing this.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I could do this all day.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Like therapeutic.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Yes, yes.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Cool.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: And then I also make my own flutes as well. What?
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: So where did that come from?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Like, how did you get started in that? That's pretty specific.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It is. I started playing native flutes just before COVID, really.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And then it just became a part of my kind
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: of everyday... It's what I was doing. Routine, yeah. It's routine.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: You know, we're all locked up at home. So like.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that helped though, just the soothing.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: It did. It became a part of like my meditative practices.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I realized that, um, it's, it's an outlet where, you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: spirit and breath are so heavily connected. And so being
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: able to use the breath to create, um, music through
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: these instruments that are made of wood, made of earth.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And so it was, it was very therapeutic, um, for me.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And so it started there. And then, um, I had
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a bunch of tools, power tools at the house because
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I built a deck in my parents' backyard. Wow. So
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I had wood left over. I had power tools. And
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: just a creative idea was like, well, why don't I
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: try and make my own flute? Wow. How does that?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And so I have everything I need. So let's give
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: it a go. And so there's a bucket in the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: backyard full of all the terrible flutes. that don't work
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: for sure. Practice makes perfect. Practice, exactly.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: But then I found a mentor online, a guy that
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: has been making flutes for like 40 years, and he
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: was just so kind and generous with his knowledge and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: started just, he kind of really guided me. And then
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I finally started to get the hang of it. Wow. So, yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I do that when I have time. I feel like
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that's a much later thing in life for me. That's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: going to be another season of life where all I'm
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: doing is making flutes.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Would you sell them?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, look. Let me know what it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: all about. For sure, for sure.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I just love how he threw in that, oh, I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: a carpenter as well.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I build decks and flutes and arcs and things.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Of the sort. I like to challenge my mind and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: do different things.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: That's so intriguing, though.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of anyone say that they, you don't
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: meet people every day that make their own flutes. Create flutes.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: That's so interesting.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: It's very Andre 3000.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: You know, I love it. Very much so.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: We love that. Yeah, it's funny. Because he's definitely one
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of my favorite rappers of all time. So when I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: saw he was playing flutes and I had been playing
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years when I saw him, I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: was like, oh. And he's a Gemini like me. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, whoa. A Gemini. I was like, what's happening?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: What's going on within the universe these days right now?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Connectivity, brother.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like you found your purpose? Great question.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Thanks. I like that question. Yeah, I do. Absolutely.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: And what is it? What do you feel like it's
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: being lived through?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So for me, my purpose is really about self-mastery. It's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: about self. Everything else beyond that is just play and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: having fun and just different ways to express myself through that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: But it also, it all comes through mastering myself, my discipline,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: my And, yeah, just that. That's basically it. The constant self-awareness,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: very introspective. I usually keep to myself a lot. I'm
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: not really out there in these streets, really.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Because there's nothing out there.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: There is not.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: There's nothing out there.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: No, no. So, yeah, I would say that is my purpose, really,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: because I know and understand that when I raise and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: elevate myself... Everything around me is elevated. The people that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I come into contact with, my family, you know, it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a rising tide, lifts all boats. And so the better
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that I can be for myself, the better that I
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: can be for the world. And so that is my
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: main focus, 100%. So is your mastery....
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Is it a finishing point or is it always ongoing?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: It's an ongoing.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Yes. Because when you think of mastery, you think, okay,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I've arrived and I have it. But for you, it's
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: more so ongoing.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: It's very fluid. And it's like, as soon as you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: think you have it, the goalpost moves. Exactly. You know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: there's something else to learn. And that's the beauty of it, really.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Because I love to learn. I'm kind of a nerd
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: in that way. So learning about myself, how I react
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in different situations, what triggers me, how do I... you know,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: operate in a way that's different. You know, so yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: those kind of things are what's most important to me.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: So who are you as a dad? Who is Jeffrey
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Osborne Jr. the dad?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Present. I am very present. I think that is the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: most important thing is just showing up and being there.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And then also not even just, and beyond like showing
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: up and being there is like, physically but also mentally
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I was going to.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Say like to dive into the word present because a
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: lot of the times people think just physically being there
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: is enough no it's but it's about engaging and exactly
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: being interested in your life.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly being interested asking questions because I'm usually not an
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: inquisitive person on the street talking to people right but
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: when it comes to my children I'm all up in
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: their business.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely what's going on I'll be.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Like your mama sit down how is this Sit down.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Sit down.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: All up in it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, that's kind of my main thing is
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: being present. And, you know, when I'm with my kids,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I'm with my kids. My mind is not. elsewhere I'm
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: not thinking about what I was just working on what
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: video I'm editing or what's what song I'm writing or
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: any of that there's you have to be able to
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: be where you are at that time.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Can you give me advice on how to do that
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I I'm so bad at it because it's like I'm
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: trying to juggle so many different things right and I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: have a two-year-old he'll be three in November But there's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: times I feel guilty where I'm on the computer and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I got to get this done, but I
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: also want to be present for my baby. And so
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: what do you do to just make sure that you
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: are fully engaged when you know that you have other
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: things that you need to get done?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Childcare.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Get the nanny.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Mom.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Spend that $ 100.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's real. Facts. I say that jokingly, but... It is.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: It's a juggle, really, because we, like we said, adulting
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: is hard out here. It's so hard. And so there
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: are times when you have this work has to get
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: done or we don't have no lights on this month.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And so it's just, I think it's just a matter
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of understanding that you need to take some time each
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: day to have that. Whether it's, I think my partner
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: said something about like, seven minutes a day. Oh, that's doable.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Give your children seven minutes in the morning, seven minutes
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in the afternoon, seven minutes at night. That's great advice.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: It's dedicated time. Only them. Nothing else is.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: No phones.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And at least if you have that, you have, what,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: 20 to 30 minutes a day.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. And it doesn't seem so hard
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: to do. It seems so daunting. You know what I'm saying?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: If you say 30 minutes, it's just like, But seven
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: minutes a piece, seven minute increments, I'm sorry, it seems
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: very doable.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Because kids want to play. They just want to play.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: They just want to play.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: And how old are your babies?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: One is seven and the other is 17 months.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to play.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: That seven-year-old wants to just climb and play and punch.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, and fight and throw me here. Oh, God. Yes. Non-stop. Yes.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's great advice. Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try my best to implement the 7-7-7.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: The Jeffrey Osborne Jr. Yeah, thank you, Jeffrey.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It's not mine, but you know.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: We get self-help over here. Saving lives and homes over here.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Passing the knowledge on. I love it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: We love it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: So... What were you pursue? What would, what would you
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: pursue if you knew that you couldn't fail?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Um, I think a hundred percent filmmaking in terms of
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like writing a script and being in directing, writing and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: directing for sure.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Have you started, have you like, have you written.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: A, no, no, not, I just, I've loved movies. I've
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: always loved movies my entire life. I used to go
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to the movie theaters by myself as a kid. Like, um,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: As soon as I had a car, like, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I was very loner by myself. So, yeah, let's go
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to the movies and watch a movie. So I yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I love the whole experience of it. I love the story.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, the story, really the storytelling, the emotion that
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: it can pull and trigger the life lessons that can
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: be taught through movie. And so, yeah, that would be
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that would be it.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: So what kind of movies are you into?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: All kinds of movies, really. Um, I like sci-fi stuff.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But I like sci-fi stuff that's like.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Rooted in, in reality. You know what I mean? Like, um, yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I would say.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: So in your film, what kind of film would it be?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, it would probably be something about a
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: martial artist or some kind of like a martial artist
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that like, is no longer practicing and is just like
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: hidden in the community that, you know, he has to
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like rise up and protect the weak out of nowhere.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And nobody knows that he knows what he knows. Maybe
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: he's living in some village off somewhere, just living a
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: humble life. And there's some injustice taking place that he, yeah.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Are we all speaking into existence?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: Because sometimes, like, I want to write something, too, but
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I always imagine how the movie starts or how it opens.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Have you imagined that yet?
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Like, how, like, if it's going to be a, what
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: do you call it, a memory or something like that?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. No, I haven't thought about it that far. No?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Well, we're going to hold you to it. Please do.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I have to get this thought out of my head.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: We're going to hold you to it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Go ahead.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: When you were talking about that, for some reason, I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: envision you as the character of the wise monkey in
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: The Lion King.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Rafiki?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Rafiki, yes! You are like a Rafiki to me. Has
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: anyone told you that?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, it makes sense, right?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: It's an alignment.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: For some reason, that image popped in my head. We
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: have Rafiki at the table, you guys.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I'm seriously going to call you Rafiki.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: It's in the past.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: You are just who he is. Yes, yes. Yeah, what
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: he embodies. I'm like, you are.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: So much knowledge.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you are Rafiki.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Just like... He's the griot. He gives it out in very,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: very short, concise messages that you're like, what?
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: And you get it on the way home? You get
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: what he was saying on the way home. Yes. Exactly.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: So tell people to call you Rafiki. from now on, okay?
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: We support your movie career.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: And we want you to start the script.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: We're challenging you to start it because, you know.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: You've been making flutes and building everything.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I know I can. Building boats and such. It's just
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a matter of wind.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: You might as well just put pen to paper. Okay.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Let's pull another token.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Let's see.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Close your eyes, though.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, did you want to pull it?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: No, that's you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: This is yours. You can see that one.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't look.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Don't look. No cheating.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, maybe we need to get a bigger one for
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: people who have their hands.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Bigger hands.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Hot takes. Yes.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Finally.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: So let's grab my intro. I really wanted this one
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: because it's a game.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Did you put more of that one in there than
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the others?
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: She was as excited about this one. Hot takes, hot takes.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Please grab hot takes.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: We're going to do a quick intro. So it's time
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: for hot takes. I'm going to give you a statement
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: and you have three choices. Agree, disagree, or it's complicated.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Pick your answer first, then tell us why. And Mariah
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: and I are going to jump in as well. We've
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: got our cards, so we'll be giving you our answers
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: right along with you.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So let's see if we agree.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You got it? I got it. So I have three choices.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Agree, disagree, or it's complicated.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm explaining my answer. But it gets better.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Not only do you have choices, you got... We have.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: You got... Signs! Yes!
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we're all going to play. I was in
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: my arts and crafts. Okay, so it's complicated. You have yours. Agree, disagree. Okay,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: everyone has one. Shout out to Mariah for the arts
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: and crafts. You guys, I was trying to do this.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Shout out for the arts and crafts.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: It's nice. It's well put together.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Isn't it? I try my best, you guys.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I try.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: All right, so let's get into hot takes. A little tea. Okay.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: The hot take is the very first one. Having a
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: famous parent automatically gives you an advantage. Do you agree, disagree,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: or is it complicated? It automatically gives you an advantage. Okay, ready?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It automatically gives you an advantage.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Everyone has to lift it. Okay. One, two, three. It's complicated.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I would say it's complicated. Why do you think it's complicated?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Why is that not an automatic yes for you?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Because, just because you're famous Okay, because there are some advantages. Absolutely.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: There are some advantages, but there's also some downfalls, for sure,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: or some things that, some disadvantages, I guess you can say.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It depends on what you're trying to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: do with your life, I guess. Say you're, well, we'll
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: take my example. Your dad is a singer, right? So
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the advantages with that, obviously he can help you become
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a better singer. He can show you the business. He
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: can show you everything, you know. Mm-hmm. disadvantage may be
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that now when you step out um there's a there's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: an expectation yes there's an expectation on you that magnifying
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: glass that is like okay this is so-and-so son you
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: better be good like you know there's a different expectation
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: that's there and then if you fall short it's like
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: oh well all right Well, we can listen to his dad.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: No, like that's, that's why.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: That's real. And it's like, um, I would say that's one,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the main reason why it's complicated for sure. The expectations
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that come with it. Yeah. Um, and I guess that's
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: not necessarily on the child either. The expectation. I mean,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: it's whether or not he cares about them.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Whether that becomes, you know, a thing that's stopping him
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: from doing what he wants to do or, um, He'd
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: be like, I don't care what y'all think. I love
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to sing. So I'm going to sing. Whether you like
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: it or not.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Before we go on to our next hot take, did
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you ever feel that? Like, pressure from the expectations people had?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Or you think people had of you being his son
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and pursuing music?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's there a little bit.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: For sure. But not really. Because... I mean, well, when
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I first started, it was completely different music. I was
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: doing rap. I was rapping and doing hip hop. So
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: not really comparable. Now that I do more singing than rapping,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I think there can be some, but I don't care. Period.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: You don't care.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I'm not him. He's not me.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: People always ask me all the time, oh, do you
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: sound like your dad? Like, no.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: No.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I don't. I sound like me. I'm a very different person.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do another hot take. We'll do just two more.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: R & B was better in the 80s and 90s
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: than it is today.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the R & B is.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Does R & B even exist anymore today? I don't
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: even know.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Is that even a category? Like, who's an R &
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: B artist today? We will never get the R &
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: B back. And I'm really sad about it because R &
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: B just.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Fuels my soul. It's literally my world.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It's, yes.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: And we don't have it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: It's not the same. No. It's definitely not the same.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It's definitely not.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I don't even think people can sing anymore. No.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: It's not you. No, it's different, I think, for sure.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I think that technology has taken away the necessity.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: To have to sing. Like, we don't have those singers anymore.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: No. No. Because, like, you can go, like, to whoever
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: your favorite artist is today, but go to a live concert,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and they might not sound good. Like, they might not be.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: It's a toss-up. Like, oh, it's like.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you said they might.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Not sound good. They might be just a studio voice.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: With that auto-tune. Right, exactly. Who introduced the auto-tune? Like, environment,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: certain things that. weren't necessarily, they weren't available back in
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the day. Like you had to sing, you had to
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: be a good singer or you had to be a
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: great guitar player. You know, there wasn't this, like, I'm
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: overdubbing over everything. I'm going to play a little bit.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And then, oh no, they went in to the studio
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: with the entire band and the singer and they recorded
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the whole song from top to bottom, like with everybody there.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's missing a lot from music
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: today is that We do a lot of things remote
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: where I might just play the parts in my bedroom
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and send it off to somebody else and then they'll
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: play it. There's not that energy that happens when we're
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: all in the same room together. And I'm not saying
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that there aren't artists out there that understand that and
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: try to create that environment for their music because there are.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: But I think in general, as a whole, Like it just,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: it's not happening. Yeah. At all.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: At all. And it makes me sad.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: We can feel it and you can hear it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Yes. You can feel it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: They don't beg no more. You know what I'm saying?
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: They're not begging. They're not wooing.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: People, you said they're not wooing, but artists don't sing
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: in the rain no more.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: You know, they're not begging anybody to come back. You
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? They're not begging nobody to come back.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: okay um let's do one more um.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Uh these are good these are good but i'm like
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: for the sake of time talent matters more than connection
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: in the music industry oh.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Oh we i don't even know how to answer talent
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: matters more than connection.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Dang.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I would say disagree too.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I think connection means more than talent in the music industry.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Well, based off of what we just said, like talent
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: isn't meaning much.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I wish that it wasn't this answer.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It is. You see a lot of, uh, people that
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: aren't really necessarily that talented, but they're great at marketing
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: themselves or they're, they're good at, um, they have a
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: good team behind them and, you can make anybody like
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: any song if you play it enough times. Yeah, true.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I think that's true for not just music, too.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that are in different, I mean,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: even actors and stuff, it's like, I feel like they
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: just have a great team or.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: They have a lot of followers.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: And they can, they can just, you know, get through.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: It's the case now more than ever, for sure. Yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Dang. Well, that was fun. We like hot takes. If
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: we have more time at the end. What do you think?
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: You like hot takes?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like hot takes.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I like hot takes. Okay, so let's, Pull your next token.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Let's do it. Wait, let me flip this one because
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: he can see miscellaneous.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: You just told everybody. She's like, don't pick miscellaneous, Jeffrey. Okay.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: And he picked miscellaneous.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: She's controlling the tips somehow.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: All right, so miscellaneous is just the most random question
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: that we'll ask.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, this is fun. This will be good. Look, they silly. Okay,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I think I know this one. Studio or stage?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I don't know.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I thought you was going to say studio.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think studio. Okay, okay.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I just knew you were going to say studio.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But it's different. It depends. It depends on what role
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I'm in. That's why I took her a little bit.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: But studio, I would say.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, rapping or engineering?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: That's a good one.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: What are you going to.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Say? Rapping.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I would not.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Have thought that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought that either.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: But you asked me. Okay, so why? That's just something
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: about the expression, the creativity that comes with it. I mean,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of creativity that comes with being an
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: engineer as well. But being an engineer, you're in the
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: service industry, right? So if I'm engineering for another artist,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: they have the final word. Like I can do and
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I can make suggestions and things of that nature. But
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: if they want it to be this way, then I'm
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: here to make sure that it's the way that they
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: want it to be. Versus... Rap, I'm free. I get
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to just freely, I can talk about whatever I want to.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I can rap slow, fast. It's a complete freedom of expression.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: So that's why I chose rap. Okay.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I'm still surprised because now I want to hear, now.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I want you to rap.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, I haven't done that in a while.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: He said, oh, I haven't done that in a while,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: so don't ask me to do that. Who has better
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: taste in music, you or your dad?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Uh... That's a loaded question.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is born to the game. We're going
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: to ask.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I would say probably him. He surprises me a lot
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: with some of the music that he knows that I'm like,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh yeah, that's so, I'm like, what?
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: He knows like current artists?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Or, well, not as many current artists, but just like
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: in general, like it'll be some random obscure, say like, uh,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a Spanish song or something like that. And he was like, oh,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: wasn't that so-and-so? I'm like, wow, okay. Yeah, you know.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I don't. So I would say that. And he's just
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: listening to more music. There's more time on this earth
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to hear more music. So I'd say him.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: What's something that's making you genuinely happy right now?
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Outside of being a father? Yeah. Yeah. I would say
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: taking the time to work on my own brand is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: because I've released some music in the past, but have
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: never really got on a steady train of I'm releasing
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: something every year. And I've been working on getting ready
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to release a bunch of songs. And so just being
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: in that process, being in that creative process has been...
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: A lot of fun.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: So I would say that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Very cool.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Because I've also spent a lot of time working on
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: other people's stuff as well. And always put myself like on.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: The back burner.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: On the back burner. Right.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Now it's your time. Let me focus on me.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And we are going to get into your career and
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: your projects.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: And your music.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: But you just, you got to pull that career token.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: So we'll see what token you pull next. You might
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: as well pull it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Are we going back to it? We're going back.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I do need to get a bigger fishbowl.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. My boy is.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: You know why? Because I have like the world's skinniest fingers.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious. Don't mind me, guys.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Okay. Go ahead. Pressure.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: That's you.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: We'll just do a few. Yeah, we'll do.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Have you ever felt like you had to prove you
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: belonged in the music industry beyond your last name?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, absolutely. Um, I think that that's kind of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a natural thing. So a lot of times I don't
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: even tell people my name really. I'll just introduce myself
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: as Jeff or Jeffrey. There's no Osborne at the end.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: There's no junior at the end, you know? Um, So, yeah,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: that way it's like a level playing field, really. But, yeah,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I've definitely felt that, for sure, that need to prove
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that I'm here not just because of my dad. I'm
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: here because I'm good at what I do, at my job. Yeah.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: And not only do you build decks and engineer and
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: create flute, you were heavily into basketball before music became
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: in your path.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: So was there a part of you that intentionally wanted
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: something completely separate from your dad?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Tell us about your basketball career.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: To answer that in one word, absolutely. Growing up, it
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm not doing, that's his thing. Music is him.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I'm playing basketball. I love basketball. Yeah, I played until
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I was 21 or 22. I played in college for
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Where did you play in college?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I went to Cal State Bakersfield.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was there for two years. I was
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: in the midst of transferring. I think I was going
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: to go to Cal State Dominguez when I decided to
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: stop playing and just kind of focus on music. But
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: music didn't come into my life until... Was I like 18, 19?
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: After high school, I went to a prep school in
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire for basketball. Okay. And the snow was crazy.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you. I don't know what was going
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: on that winter, but it was record-breaking snowfall. It was
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: over 121 inches of snow.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: What?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 121 inches of snow.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was possible.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, that winter. I was walking to class, and the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: mounds of snow were like, six, seven feet tall. Like,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: they just carved out a path for us. And so,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I grew up here. Yeah. So, I'm not going out.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I need my beach. So, it became like, I'm not
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: leaving this room unless I have to. So, go eat,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to practice, and to my classes. Other than that, ain't
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: nothing outside for me.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, there's nothing out there.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: There's nothing out there.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Especially when a snowman is bigger than me.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. It was snow.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: It was like, windy, so sometimes it would be like
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: zero degrees, but negative 13 when it gets into your ear. Oh,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it's like it's in your bones.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: You're like, why are we doing this? Like, what is this?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Who lives here? Who's choosing to live here?
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: What kind of people live here? Oh, thank you.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: So that's how I started in music, honestly. During that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: time there, one of my friends in my dorm, we
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: were just playing Call of Duty or something, and His
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: iPod was on shuffle and like a song of him
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: rapping with his friends came on and it was hilarious
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to me. And so he was like, we should try
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: it and you should try it. I was like, OK.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And so I started writing and recording on my laptop there.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: And then when I came home, I told my dad, like,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: can you set me up in the studio? And he
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: was like, what? For what? For what?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, what's you going in there?
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: He said, for what?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: You just play.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Around in there. So I was like, yeah, I wanted
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to rap. Let me record. Show me how to use
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the stuff. And so he set me up one night
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and then he woke up the next morning to go
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to the gym and walk by the studio. I was
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: still in there at like six. He was like, what
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: are you doing?
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: All nighter.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's when it really started for me. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: how it went from basketball to it slowly became something
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: that I loved doing as much as I loved basketball. Wow.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And so I made that choice of like basketball is
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: going to end someday. And I was already unhappy with
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the fact that I was leaving a division one school
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: to go to a division two school. It was a
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: very prideful, very egoistic of myself of. I want to
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: play D1. I want to play at a certain level.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: And if I'm not playing there, I'm not playing basketball.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: It's not happening for me. No, thank you. That's fair.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: That's kind of how it went. And so as I
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: stopped playing, I just kind of swapped it out and
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: started doing music and just kind of hung out in
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the studio all day and night and learned everything that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I could. Yeah. So that was the transition.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Very cool. And then we'll end with Truth or Dare
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: and Legacy. I still want Truth or Dare. Oh, wow,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: you picked career.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Who would have thought? Who would have thunk it?
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, so we already, you set the stage on how
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you went from basketball into music.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: And you've done a little bit of everything, rapping, writing, producing, engineering.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: So where do you feel the most like yourself creatively today?
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I know we touched on it a little bit, but
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: right now, Today, September, what, 7th, where do you feel
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: like yourself?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: It's making music and it's singing now. I've landed more
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: in that area and I think it comes from the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: time that I've spent working with my dad, being on
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the road with him, watching how much joy he has,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: the passion, the emotion that not only that he feels,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: but he's able to bring out of people. through singing. Um,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: so I remember the moment when I was watching and
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was at the board mixing and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I'm watching and I was like, damn, I want to
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: do that. Like that sounds that, that looks like so
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: much fun. And so, yeah, I started, I started singing and, um,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I knew how to, I, I could sing.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I had a naturally kind of singing voice as a
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: kid growing up. And then when my voice changed, it
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: kind of was like, oh, I don't know how to
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: do this anymore. It got deeper? Yeah, I was like, well,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this anymore. This is
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: not the same. But I later figured it out. And yeah,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: that's where I'm most happy now, for sure, singing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Did your dad teach you how to sing?
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Did he help you through the transition? We've gone through
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: some things, for sure. Yeah, we spent... very minimal time, honestly.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I don't take advantage of that resource enough. That's what
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I was going to say.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you should.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I definitely don't.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: He would be my... His private teacher. You get it
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: for free.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: So how would you describe your sound and artistry to
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: someone who's never heard your music before?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. I would say it's definitely like
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: a fusion, a blend of ethos. it's like very ethereal
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: kind of R and B ish electronic ish with like
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: hip hop drums. I don't know if I'm making this.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: It's hard to describe.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Okay. Um, and then, yeah, just beautiful vocals on top. Usually. Um, yeah,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I like to sing a lot about my life experience. Um,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I've always written specifically about my, my experience here on
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: this earth. And so, um, yeah, whatever that may be
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: at the time, But I would say that, yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: So is there a song or project that you worked
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: on that you're super proud of?
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: There's many. You know, I kind of have ADHD when
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I'm creating. I can't stick on to one thing. I'm like,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I have like, I'm working on three different projects at
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the same time. And I'm writing four songs, you know.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's a song, Exposure,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: that I'm really proud of and really happy with that
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be releasing pretty soon.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Do you have a date?
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: No.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: I don't have a date because I'm still editing the
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: content and Who knows when these kids are going to
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: let me finish, okay?
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Editing when I need to edit to get my stuff together.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Because kids don't.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Give a damn.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: They sure don't.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Not a single damn given.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: They do not care.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: But let's say maybe before the end of the year
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: or before 2027?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: That's the plan. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, cool. Okay. Coming 2027.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: That was an explosive. That counts. You heard it here first.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: 2027.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Period.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: New music.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I love it. W. Osborne Jr.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, indeed.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: So I want to ask you two more questions in
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: this category. You co-wrote and performed on Work It? Yes.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: With your dad.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Which, iconic. Literally.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: How did that collaboration come together? And what was it
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: like creating alongside your dad?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: He was working on a new album. And I don't know.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: He came in the studio while I was in there.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And he was just sitting in the back. And I
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: was just playing beats and stuff. And he was like,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: what's that? I was like, with what? This? He was like, yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: play that again. And he was like, I kind of
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like that. And he was like, you know, I think,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I think I want to do something with you for
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: my album. I was, I just turned around and I
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: was like, what? Kind of how.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: He looked at you when you wanted to go in
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: the studio first.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I was like, what? It was like, and you like this?
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I like, I was like, oh, okay, cool.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm just, you know, I was like, that's how
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: it kind of happened. And then, um, Yeah, he ended
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: up going with that track that it became Work It.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, as he was writing and coming
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: up with stuff for it, he came back and he
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, I think you need to write
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: another section in here so that you can rap on it. Wow.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: You're like, who is this man?
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: What?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: He was like, you want me to rap on it too?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: He was like, yeah. I was like, okay. Okay.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: Let's do that.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: That's really cool.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: So it was a really dope experience. I really enjoyed it,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: every aspect of it. And then just, Watching how he
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: works in the studio, he's, like, he's a master. Has
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to be. He does things so quickly. He has never-ending ideas.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I bet.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: And melodies, you know. Oh, wow. That just continuously flow.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: And so it's, like, it's really amazing to watch and
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: sit back. It's like a master class every single time
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: that he's in the studio. Because I do a lot
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: of his recording now.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Just being an engineer or like a fly on the wall,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: just watching him, how he likes things, how he layers
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: his harmonies and things of that nature. It's really dope.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: So have you guys performed this song live?
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: We have. Yeah, we have performed it live.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: So how was it?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Like you're taking the stage with your dad for the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: very first time.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Like what feeling? If you can describe it in one word.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: It was exciting. Okay. It was exciting. It was definitely
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a very special moment. I think before and before we
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: did that together, he would have these concerts. So he
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: did a jazz album also. And so we would do
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: these dates like in jazz, kind of like really smaller
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: venues and stuff like that. And so he asked me
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: to write a rap to introduce him. I was like, what?
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: And so he was like, yeah, I want you to
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: introduce me, like bring me on stage. And so. That
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: was kind of like the first time that we shared
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the stage together, which was really, really dope. I really
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: enjoyed that. And we did that for a while. And
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: then much later, yeah, we came up and we did this.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And so this experience, looking back on it, I mean,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: it was everything to be able to share the stage
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: with him and something that we created together. And then
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: also to see how it's received.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask next.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: How did people receive it? People loved it. I think
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: just any time it's like a father and a son
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, it's amazing. It's really cool to watch.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: It's getting Eddie and Jarrett Levert.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Right. Very much so. Yeah, it was an incredible experience, really. Yeah,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I cherish those memories.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: That's good for you.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: That's really cool.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So for someone who's found their passion and is trying
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: to build a real career and ascend in the music industry,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: what's one piece of advice you would give them?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: In the music industry today or even let's not.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Even say music industry but music and then life let's
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah I would say music I would say don't be
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: afraid to take chances that's good and bet on yourself 100%
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: like don't don't put all your eggs in the I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: need to be signed to a label basket Um, because
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: nowadays labels don't do artist development like that anymore. It's,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: they want you to come to them with a following, right?
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: So they, you, you do the work, so do the
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: work and then you'll realize that you don't actually need
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: them because you've done it. You've laid a path. That's
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: a word. Like, that's a word. So, yeah. And, Just
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: don't be afraid to put your music out and don't
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: be afraid to share it with everybody.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: You too.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Put it out there.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Every platform.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: This is also advice for myself. I'm talking to you,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: but I'm talking to me.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to speak it so that you can
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: hear it yourself.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Put it out there. Don't feel like you're spamming people.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: You've got to get it out there. You have to.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Do it scared.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Exactly. If it feels scary, then you probably need.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: To lean into it even more. I'm listening too.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: We all take notes. Don't stop. Once you get started,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: do not stop. Start building momentum and just let it
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: build and continue. Let the fans and people be a
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: part of the process of watching you grow as an
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: artist because that's one thing that I did not do.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I would put something out and then I would go
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: away for six years, seven years and Now I've come back.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I'm a completely different artist and different person. But now
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: if anybody who heard these first projects, they didn't get it.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I robbed them of the opportunity to grow with me
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: as an artist and has my sound evolved and changed. Right.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And so I did all of that, you know, like
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: in my little cave by myself, which you build lasting
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: fans and legacy. by allowing people to watch your journey
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: and be a part of that journey with you.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Because they feel like they know you.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: And that's what people, they connect with.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: It's the person. Exactly. They connect with you and then
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: it comes, they don't care what you put out now. Exactly.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Because I like you. Yes. Whatever you're creating, I'm going
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: to support it. Yeah. That's cool.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: And you're a very likable person. It's that digital era.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: It's the digital era.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: You know, being visible, being touchable, being consistent.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Because that ultimately helps to build your brand.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: But you learned it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: And you're here.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I'm here. This is a part of me being.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: This is a part of it.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: I love that we're here.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I love that we're here for you for that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Yes. Thank you.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: That's awesome. Okay. So we're going to end with one
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: more token.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Let's pull the last token of the night.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Dang.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: He can't even put his hand in there. We have
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: two more things to do, but we'll.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: So it's legacy.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna end with this one. So we always
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: end in the same place on Born to the Game, legacy.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Because this show isn't just about the legacy you were
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: born into, it's also about what you choose to carry
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: forward and the legacy you're creating for yourself and you
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: are a father for your children.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: So let's start here. Well, no, no, let's start here.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Let's end here. When you hear the word legacy, what
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: does it mean to you now?
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Um, I think now it's, um, it's really about how
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: you carry yourself in the world. Um, I think it's,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: you know, your moral compass. Um, it's what you stand for, um,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and what you build. Um, and yeah, really, really how
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you carry yourself, your character and how you show up really. Um,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: that's something that you pass on to the rest of
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: your family and, If you instill it in them, they
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: continue to pass on and pass on. Like the things that,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: that my parents taught me are things that I'm going
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: to teach my children. And I think that, you know,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: if you ask me at a younger age, legacy would be,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: you have to build this big, amazing empire that you
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: can pass down, but it's, it doesn't have to be that.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: It doesn't always have to look that way. Um, So
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: it's really about your character, the way you show up
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: for the people you love and the people you care about,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: and your ability to pass that on, really.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: What do you want the next generation of your family
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: to understand about where they came from?
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I want them to understand... I want them to understand
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the value of a dollar, really, and what it means
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: to work, what it means to be passionate about something,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: and to have the discipline to get up and say,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I want to be better at this every day. That's good. Really.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: That challenge to be a better version of yourself the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: next day, every day. That's very important to me. Yeah,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: because we're not really out here competing with each other.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Mm-mm.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: It's for me it's a it's a self-competition for one
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I need to be better than me if I'm focused
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: and worried about somebody else then it's getting in the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: way of what I'm doing really so so.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day how do you want
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: people to remember Jeffrey not just Jeffrey Osborne's son but
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: just Jeffrey.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Um I think kind of like what I just said
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: yeah that would that would be my memory um Somebody
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: who is remembered as a self-assured, um, self-confident, self-driven, um,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: individual who is very loving, caring, and open, open-hearted, um,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: kind to people, all people really. Um, yeah, I think that's,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: that's more than enough for me.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, for, for a lot of people, you know,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: like that's, that's, that's a lot.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Um, And last question.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Do you feel a responsibility to carry the Osborne musical
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: legacy forward?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's real.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: That's cool. I think that the Osborne name is solidified
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: within music. Going back to my grandfather, and my dad
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: is the youngest of 12, so he has many brothers
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: and sisters who We're in music. And, I mean, they've
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: all laid the foundation, really. And it's there. It's not
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: going there.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: It's not going anywhere.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: And so, I mean, the Osborne name will continue to grow,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: whether that's music or elsewhere, really.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Well, we're going to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: end with one more question.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Activity okay okay um but i didn't bring the supplies
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: which one you want to do so i got i
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: got to get it but we're going to do the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: question we're going to have you leave a question oh
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: yeah um so i'll set the stage for it and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: then we'll go get it it's outside and then he'll
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: write the question we'll wrap okay all right so jeffrey
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: before we let you go we're starting a new tradition
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: here at born to the game okay and you get
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: to be the first person to kick it off. How
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: special is this moment? From this point forward, every guest
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: who sits at this table will answer a question left
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: behind by the guest before them. And then leave a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: new question for whoever comes next. The catch is, you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: have no idea who's sitting here next. So, you get
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: to start the chain. It can be funny, thoughtful, deep, anything.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: Whatever you want.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: So what's the question that you want to leave for
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: our next guest, but I don't want you to say
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: it in the mic. We're going to have you write
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: it down. We'll seal it and then we'll share it
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: to the next person.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. Sounds good. All right.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Binding you all together. Yes.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: You like it?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, good.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: So Jeffrey is now writing a question for our next guest.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I kind of don't want to watch.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't want to see what he's, cause I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: want to be surprised.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: And me, I'm like, don't watch. We want to be surprised.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: All right. We have our question. Beautiful. I am sealing
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: it for our next guest. This was amazing, Jeffrey. You
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: had a good time.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: I did. I had a great time.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: We learned so much.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun. Thank you. It was really fun.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you came. Thank you for joining us.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: And thank you to our viewers for tuning in to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: this episode.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: I'm your host, Mariah. And I'm Tamara. And we'll see
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: you next time here on Born to the Game. Don't
• 1:04:07
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