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Bring It On with Maggie Maye · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the bed cast, the questions asked if movies have
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Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy zef invest start
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Speaker 1: changing with the cast. Hi, welcome, welcome, I feel so comfortable.
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling really alive. Hey, thanks for here. My name
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Speaker 1: is Caitlin, my name's Jamie, and uh this is the
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Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. Thank you so much for being here. For
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Speaker 1: those of you who have never heard the show before,
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Speaker 1: why don't we tell you a little bit about it.
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Speaker 1: We talk about the representation and portrayal of women in movies,
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Speaker 1: using the Bechtel test as a jumping off point to
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Speaker 1: initiate that larger conversation. Hey, Jamie, what's the What the
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Speaker 1: hell is the Bechtel Test? Okay, calm down, I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you furious. It's It's a media test invented by a
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Speaker 1: cartoonist named Alison Bechdel. It is a test that requires,
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Speaker 1: in a piece of media that there'll be two female
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Speaker 1: identifying characters who have names, who speak to each other
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Speaker 1: about something other than a man for two lines of dialogue.
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Speaker 1: Or that's the way we define the test. You think
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Speaker 1: it would be easy, but allws of Lord of the
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Speaker 1: Rings do not pass, so it is and that said,
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Speaker 1: it is still very easy. We're psyched to be back
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Speaker 1: at the Ruby. We love the Ruby. Give it up
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Speaker 1: for the Ruby and Los Angeles. Um, and we've got
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Speaker 1: we've got a real treat tonight in terms of movie
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Speaker 1: and guests. So let's bring her out. We're turning to
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Speaker 1: the Capectel cast. She's a very funny comedian. You've seen
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Speaker 1: her on Conan and you know her from our Harry
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Speaker 1: Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone episode. It's Maggie may Hey.
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Speaker 1: What's up, guys, how are you pretty good? Welcome back,
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for having me back. We can't wait.
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about Bring it On? Yeah, clap If
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Speaker 1: you have not seen Bring it On? Wow, Wow did
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Speaker 1: their homework? Wow? Okay. We love good pupils. You are
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Speaker 1: rewarded with whatever trash is in our pockets the show.
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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming. Um, bring on?
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Speaker 1: What a film? Two thousand? Uh? You know and if
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Speaker 1: you've listened to episodes about movies that come out between
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Speaker 1: nine two two, it's a precarious time for passing the
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Speaker 1: Bechtel test and acting ethically, it's a it's a very
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Speaker 1: precarious time. So we'll figure out what side of that
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Speaker 1: late nineties early odd spectrum we fall on tonight. Yes,
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Speaker 1: so Maggie, we'll start with you. What's your history, your
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Speaker 1: relationship with the movie Bring It On? Okay, so I
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Speaker 1: love the movie you Bring It On. I was a cheerleader,
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Speaker 1: Like we didn't even know that when we asked you
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Speaker 1: to be a Yeah. I was a cheerleader, like all
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Speaker 1: the way through. Um. I went to a magnet high
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Speaker 1: school that did not have sports, but I insisted on
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Speaker 1: doing independent cheerleading for like a year. Wait, were you
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Speaker 1: like alone operative? Yes, it was not beneficial. I was
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Speaker 1: like to all the rest of the nurses. This school
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Speaker 1: was like number seventy seven in the nation. It was
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Speaker 1: number seven in the nation, and it's heyday, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, hey, everybody trying to get into Harvard, who
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Speaker 1: wants to cheer? They were like, if you don't get
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Speaker 1: the fun out of this computer lab right now? So
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Speaker 1: you had nothing to cheer for, but you pursued it,
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Speaker 1: cheered for like you know, masterminds and math squad and
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Speaker 1: we went to competition like mathlete competition. They did not
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Speaker 1: let me go, and I cheered from home. I cheered
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Speaker 1: from home, so amazing. So you're a fan of the movie.
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Speaker 1: You're a former cheerleader, and it came out the year
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Speaker 1: that I was a senior, so I was like watching
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Speaker 1: me like I would have been going through all this
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Speaker 1: bullshit if I would have gone to a regular high school.
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Speaker 1: It's like, what if, Jamie, what's your history? I remember
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Speaker 1: the first time I saw this movie was at uh
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Speaker 1: sleepover that I was not cool enough to be invited
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Speaker 1: to in middle school, which is a real treat. It
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Speaker 1: was because Ryan Cheatham, who was one of the coolest
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Speaker 1: girls in school, liked me when I was seven, and
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Speaker 1: she just decided to look like she was one of
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Speaker 1: those merciful cool girls who was like, no, I know,
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Speaker 1: Jamie sucks, but we're gonna let her hang out with us.
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Speaker 1: Like she she would be nagging me constantly, but would
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Speaker 1: also let me come. And I was honestly so grateful
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Speaker 1: to her that she would let me be there. So
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Speaker 1: I was thrilled to be there. And they're like, we're
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Speaker 1: watching a movie about cheerleaders, and I'm like, awesome, yes, cool,
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Speaker 1: let me steady. So I don't remember much about watching
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Speaker 1: it the first time because I was so nervous to
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Speaker 1: be at that sleepover. I was just like very aware
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Speaker 1: of my posture um and like whatever was going on
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Speaker 1: with my body. I just was like, maybe this is
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Speaker 1: my big chance. It wasn't. But uh so, I truly
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Speaker 1: like I had seen it. I vividly remember watching it,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't remember anything that happened. Okay, okay, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: i'd seen it a few times and had a weird
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Speaker 1: traumatic memory attached to it. Okay, what about you. I
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Speaker 1: saw it only one time before prepping for the episode.
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Speaker 1: I was in high school. I think right around when
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Speaker 1: it came out. I don't think I saw in the theater,
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Speaker 1: but I do have a vivid memory of the scene
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Speaker 1: where Eliza douche Coup wipes her fake tattoo off and
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Speaker 1: then does a bunch of gymnastics for some reason. That
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Speaker 1: is like emblazoned into my memory. And then I remembered
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Speaker 1: nothing else about the movie. So a good moment. That
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Speaker 1: was the main point in the movie. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: it's iconic. So I you know this, this movie is fun.
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Speaker 1: It's super fun. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff to
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Speaker 1: love here. There's a lot of stuff to love. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to be like, there is more
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Speaker 1: to love than I thought there would be, going in
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Speaker 1: which is which is always nice. And also watching this movie,
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Speaker 1: I understood parts of the Thank You Next music video
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Speaker 1: I hadn't previously understood. I was like, why is already
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Speaker 1: on the ground a brushing her teeth for five minutes?
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Speaker 1: It was a reference to this you love seeing like
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Speaker 1: a reverse reference or like like understanding what a reference? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then being like TV, I get it, and then
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Speaker 1: five months later being like, I see that was a
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Speaker 1: lot of the Simpsons. Yeah. Growing up I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that was even funnier now. I used to sneak watch
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Speaker 1: Fraser at my house when I was in elementary school.
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Speaker 1: That's my little personal rebellion that I do. Crazy. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't invited to sleep roppers, but I would always be like,
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Speaker 1: ha ha, I understand, I'm den I know these baroque
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Speaker 1: musicians they're they're joking about. I probably still wouldn't understand,
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Speaker 1: but I love like I It's weird how like young
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Speaker 1: you can be when you condition yourself to pretend to
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Speaker 1: understand what's going on to defend mechanisms. It is Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're laughing. Everybody else's laughing, or like they kind of
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Speaker 1: have pauses where you're like, I bet you that was
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Speaker 1: a joke. Yeah, you're like that. I didn't understand. I'll
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Speaker 1: do the recap. You'll do the recap, Okay, I will,
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Speaker 1: I certainly will. That's how it goes. So we meet
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Speaker 1: Torrents Shipman. Yeah, tour Tory is Why is her name
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Speaker 1: like torrent And then also the team is called the Toros.
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Speaker 1: That had to have been on purpose by the screenwriter,
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing, but it was. It was a weird choice anyway,
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Speaker 1: So kirston Dunes is Torrans Shipman? Isn't Torrens a place
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Speaker 1: in California? Do? Is it? Is it? Yeah? I was
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Speaker 1: just like there's a lot of weird, Like where are
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Speaker 1: the going with this? Yeah? California? What do we know?
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Speaker 1: Her boyfriend's name is San sam Diego that I want
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Speaker 1: to use that, Okay. So she is a cheerleader in
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Speaker 1: high school. Like I said, her team as the Rancho
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Speaker 1: Carnate Toros. Frachocarnate. Can I just say Rancho carnate? What
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Speaker 1: the fuck? Okay, go ahead, go ahead, we opened She's
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Speaker 1: cheering in front of the whole school about how awesome
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Speaker 1: cheerleaders are, and then sudden she's naked and it's like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, it was a dream. And then you
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Speaker 1: know it's a dream because we're learning all of the
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Speaker 1: women by name, which would never happen in real life.
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Speaker 1: That was I was like, of course this is a
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Speaker 1: dream sequence. We know what their names are. True. And
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Speaker 1: then we meet her boyfriend, Aaron, he's about to move
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Speaker 1: away for college. And then it's the start of Torrance's
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Speaker 1: senior year of high school and the cheerleading squad is
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Speaker 1: voting for the new team captain because big Red, I
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Speaker 1: guess has graduated even though she's still there. That is
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Speaker 1: very true that I mean, but like that's true of cheerleaders.
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Speaker 1: Oh and like Dan, I was on a dance team
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Speaker 1: in high school, brag, thank you so much. Like I
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Speaker 1: feel like there are like people who are like two
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Speaker 1: into high school sports and activities that go to nearby
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Speaker 1: colleges and they're like, I'm just gonna come by and
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Speaker 1: we're like, don't like it's weird. It always makes you
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Speaker 1: look weird. But I don't know that track for me.
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Speaker 1: Like Red, she just she was clearly not you know,
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Speaker 1: adapting very well freshman year because she was always lurking around.
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Speaker 1: He was around high school. Choose around. Did she show
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Speaker 1: up still in her cheerleading uniform a couple of times? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I was like, man, she needs to move on. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you were not going to make it read go to
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Speaker 1: class in between anatomy and physiology. I'm gonna scare the
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Speaker 1: hell out of my high school. So then Torrence gets
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Speaker 1: voted new squad captain. Yes, Kirson Dunst, who is in
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Speaker 1: every movie between and two thousand and four. Yes, okay.
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Speaker 1: So then this new boy moves to school, Cliff. She
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Speaker 1: is vibing with him. He loves Cliff Pantone. All the
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Speaker 1: names are so weird because Pantone is like the name
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Speaker 1: of a color company. Yeah, and I was like, and
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Speaker 1: then then Cliff, Okay, So she's vibing with him. And
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Speaker 1: then there's a spot on the squad because someone gets injured,
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Speaker 1: and now they have to hold tryouts for a great
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Speaker 1: opportunity for an audition Monta and Pippot. It's a great audition,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you believe it? Everyone who tries out isn't weird
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Speaker 1: until we get too Missy. That's Eliza douche gu and
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Speaker 1: she is rough, she is tough, and she's like, I
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Speaker 1: think cheerleading stupid. But your school doesn't have a gymnastics team,
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Speaker 1: so this is my last resort. And we know all
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Speaker 1: the hard, tough people around the gymnastics team. That's the
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Speaker 1: logic this movie subscribes to, Like, you know what, the
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Speaker 1: gymnastics team is terrifying, alright, they're all like kid Domini
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Speaker 1: just shot somebody, ok with us. She vaulted up the
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Speaker 1: beam and shot someone in the knee cap on like
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Speaker 1: the matrix, and then stuck the landing. I would love
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Speaker 1: to see that movie. Incidentally, this screenwriter also wrote stick It,
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Speaker 1: that gymnastics movie that came out in two thousand and six. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this writer had two interests and they're very related. They're
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Speaker 1: flips and more flips with pomp pomps. So Torren sees
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Speaker 1: Missy's potential, but the other cheerleaders are like, oh gross,
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Speaker 1: she's a goth. But tor she's a go with like
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Speaker 1: hair that like vaguely resembles dreadlocks but like not quite. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's a that that hairstyle toes a line. The toes
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Speaker 1: a line. So Torrence goes and tries to convince her
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Speaker 1: to join the team and she's like, fine, I'll do it.
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Speaker 1: And then we learned the twist that Cliff and Missy
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Speaker 1: are brother and sister. And then uh so Missy goes
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Speaker 1: to practice and she sees the burr it's cold here
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Speaker 1: in the atmosphere. Burre. There must be so TaurOs in
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Speaker 1: that atmosphere. Shoot for the listeners back and got solo
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Speaker 1: work coming up, the independent study work. When you do
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Speaker 1: it by yourself, you don't have to be on rhythm
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Speaker 1: because yes for the listeners to find your own beat.
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Speaker 1: Now you just got up and started dancing, and it
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Speaker 1: was glory choreography. It was incredible. Y'all missed it. You
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Speaker 1: should have been here. So she sees that and she's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you guys stole those cheers. Let me prove it to you.
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Speaker 1: And she drives her from San Diego to Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: that's a three hour drive by the way on a
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Speaker 1: school night, and shows her the Clovers from East Compton
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Speaker 1: doing the exact same cheer, and we learn that Big
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Speaker 1: Red had been traveling to the school. Take yeah, putting
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Speaker 1: in a lot of effort, and it's like, if you're
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Speaker 1: if you have all that time, you might still what
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Speaker 1: are you doing? Yeah? Yeah, she was going away even
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Speaker 1: know about them. Yeah, I'm like in two thousand, where
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Speaker 1: would you found out they don't have a web page?
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that much right now, but it's yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was. I was like, Okay, I guess we're just
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Speaker 1: we're just here for the ride. So they go and
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Speaker 1: watch it and the Clovers the team captain is Isis.
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Speaker 1: That's Gabrielle Union's character. So in every movie from and
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Speaker 1: I says was like, hey, white ladies, you stole from us.
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Speaker 1: That is the line that she sayes. But it it
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Speaker 1: ends now and this year we're winning Nationals and Torrence
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Speaker 1: is upset. She didn't realize that the cheers have been stolen.
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Speaker 1: So now she's like, hey, squad, we've got to come
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Speaker 1: up with something else, a new a new thing for regionals.
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Speaker 1: That's right around the corner, Isn't it always always? That's
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Speaker 1: how I hope in every conversation, like Regionals is right
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Speaker 1: around the corner. Well, then she says like, we have
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Speaker 1: to get a new routine, and the squad is kind
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Speaker 1: of like, no, right, we know burr whatever it's still
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Speaker 1: called in here. I'm in a jacket. Okay, we're doing
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Speaker 1: at Burr works for us. But then then the Clovers
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Speaker 1: show up to one of their football games and like
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Speaker 1: the cheer that you're doing, we also invented that one.
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Speaker 1: That's a great scene. I like that was a good scene.
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Speaker 1: Just watch that scene. You have the whole movie. You
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Speaker 1: need to see also in that scene. This has nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with anything, but I think that they're the
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Speaker 1: movie keeps making a play to be like Cliff is
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Speaker 1: a little different. He's an intellectual. So he's at that
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Speaker 1: football game reading The Human Ape. I didn't looked up
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Speaker 1: the book. It's like a famous sociology book about evolution.
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Speaker 1: So they're like, no, Cliff, no, no, no, he's he's
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Speaker 1: not a sports boy. Rather, he's a Darwin boy. Like
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Speaker 1: that's just like, what is the point of he's gonna
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Speaker 1: voluntarily show up to a football game no one asked
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Speaker 1: him to be at. I've invited him and do homework
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Speaker 1: that no one asked him to do. Everything with Cliff
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Speaker 1: is a reach for me, but that was one of
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Speaker 1: the chest reaches of just like no, no, no, he's
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Speaker 1: smart to check this ship out that he loves the Ramans.
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Speaker 1: He's not like the other boys. He's not. He's not.
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Speaker 1: It's so weird. He reads books. He's a Yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: a book ramon man, you know the type. Okay. So
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Speaker 1: then tore his boyfriend, Aaron, who is like actively cheating
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Speaker 1: on her, recommends that the squad hires Sparky Polastery, another
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Speaker 1: winner of the name of Spirit Fingers. Just that name
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Speaker 1: sounds suspicious. Yeah, sounds suspicious as Hale sounds like he's
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Speaker 1: going to try to sell them knives and ship. Well,
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Speaker 1: it also sounds like Sparky Palastry sounds like you've already
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Speaker 1: had to change your name more than once, because that
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Speaker 1: would that would that wouldn't even be like someone's first
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Speaker 1: choice for an alien maybe like well, Sam Diego, Mark
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Speaker 1: Sparky Plaster. Okay, So then they hire him, but he's expensive.
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Speaker 1: He cost two thousand dollars. So they do a car
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Speaker 1: wash fundraiser, which is an excuse to show a bunch
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Speaker 1: of teen girls in bikini. I didn't find that grow
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Speaker 1: two of this at all. Meanwhile, Cliff and Torrance, they're
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Speaker 1: vibing the father pretty hard. I swear it. You can
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Speaker 1: cut Cliff entirely out of the movie. Is no difference,
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Speaker 1: said He does not help the movie in any way,
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Speaker 1: shape or for him. He helps the movie nothing. He
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Speaker 1: just Yeah, cut Cliff, he's trimmed the fat him and
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Speaker 1: his damn books. Get him out. I bet you they
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Speaker 1: forced that into it, like in Hunger Games when they
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Speaker 1: forced Gail in there, like we need a lot of entrant.
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Speaker 1: They probably were like, let's put in a complex bad
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Speaker 1: boy with you. Totally does seem like he's like a studio,
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Speaker 1: like a sentient studio note because he's like put in
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Speaker 1: a convenient place where like, oh, if Missy had a
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Speaker 1: brother who didn't play by the rules, Pantoones are a
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Speaker 1: family badass pantos. Pantos are also a parentless family like
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Speaker 1: her in this huge as house and then she at
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Speaker 1: one point, Missy's like, oh, they're in a benefit. They'll
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Speaker 1: be fucked up for days. It's just like, what is
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Speaker 1: it going on with your parents? It's there. He seems
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Speaker 1: like very wealthy alcoholics. Good for her. Cut cut the
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Speaker 1: Cliff storyline and make the advanced chemistry class that she
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Speaker 1: has to take. Make that a storyline where she learns
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Speaker 1: about chemistry and finds out that she loves it. Women
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Speaker 1: in stem careers, Yeah, that's right, we need women in
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Speaker 1: stem who also are cheerleaders. Yes, that's my Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: wasn't even bad. He just brought a book to a
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Speaker 1: football game. It's not bad. It's pretty good, a good student.
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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, this is kind of bonus work. So
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Speaker 1: then Sparky shows up. He criticizes everyone on the team
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Speaker 1: and then very creative bodies. It's I felt he's like
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Speaker 1: one develop and eating a disorder or stop eating altogether.
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Speaker 1: And that whole scene and the super helpful yeah, oh
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Speaker 1: it totally helped the demon. That was helpful for me
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Speaker 1: to see. It was a good reminder to stop eating right.
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Speaker 1: And then he whips Missy with a towel and he
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Speaker 1: hasn't fired. He has not fired. He is very bad
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Speaker 1: at his job. He's obsessed with spirit hands fingers and
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Speaker 1: everyone's yes and night. There were a few people who
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Speaker 1: were like in the ground and spirit fingies. I'll go
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Speaker 1: ahead and cancel myself. Um, I like this day in
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Speaker 1: the front room and you said spirit hands. He went
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Speaker 1: twinkled his fingers like you're right, You're right, Okay, so
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Speaker 1: spirit fingers. And then and they do end up with
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Speaker 1: a routine that like no one's really excited about, and
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Speaker 1: then we cut to reach routine. As a cheerleader, it's
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Speaker 1: not a good routine's funk you would know simply a hack.
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Speaker 1: The Toros are a regionals, the Clovers are Regionals, and
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Speaker 1: then the team that goes right before the Toros does
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Speaker 1: the exact same fucking Sparky plant Screen whatever his name is.
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Speaker 1: They're double dipp in. He's double dipp in. He got
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Speaker 1: four thousand dollars. Imagine the damage he could do. Well,
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Speaker 1: the judge says, you did it to six different squads,
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Speaker 1: so that's twelve thousand dollars. And the judges are like,
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Speaker 1: we don't know what to do about this. You're not disqualified,
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Speaker 1: but like make sure you come back with a new
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Speaker 1: routine at nationals. Also, the Clovers do a great routine
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Speaker 1: at Regionals. And then there's a few different like short
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Speaker 1: confrontations between Gabrielle Union and Kirsten Dunce and this is
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Speaker 1: like one of the good ones where they're like all
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Speaker 1: laughing at the Toros and they're right, it's funny, yes,
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Speaker 1: And then Aaron, who for some reason is Torrance's boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: tells her you're not captain material and like just give
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Speaker 1: it up, and then Cliff finds out that she has
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Speaker 1: a boyfriend and he gets mad right because she was
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Speaker 1: leading him on, dude him and all his books. Courtney
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Speaker 1: and Whitney try to mutiny her and withdraw from Nationals altogether,
22:27
Speaker 1: but Torrance is like, no, this is our chance to
22:29
Speaker 1: show that we are the original people that we thought
22:32
Speaker 1: we were, but it actually we're not. But we can
22:34
Speaker 1: do it. And then they practiced really hard, they come
22:37
Speaker 1: up with a new routine. Torrance breaks up with Aaron,
22:41
Speaker 1: and then they're all ready to go to Nationals until
22:44
Speaker 1: they learned the the East Compton Clovers aren't going because
22:47
Speaker 1: they couldn't raise money for the trip. Right Torrance, it's
22:51
Speaker 1: hell bent on them going because she's like, they're the
22:54
Speaker 1: stiffest competition and if we want to show that we're
22:56
Speaker 1: the best, we have to beat the best. And then
23:00
Speaker 1: she gets her dad to sponsor the Clover's big Daddy moment.
23:03
Speaker 1: Yeah but isis tears up the check they refused. Yes, yeah, yeah,
23:10
Speaker 1: I love that part too, Yes, take that safe Yeah,
23:15
Speaker 1: right night school. I didn't even go there. Then the
23:24
Speaker 1: Clovers end up getting sponsored by a talk show host
23:27
Speaker 1: that's from their neighborhood. And then they are able to
23:29
Speaker 1: go to Nationals. So both teams are there Isis says
23:33
Speaker 1: bring it, doesn't say bring it, and then we're like,
23:36
Speaker 1: what she says most two thirds of it, and so
23:40
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, yeah, and we appreciate her restraint. Yeah,
23:45
Speaker 1: And both teams make it to the very final round
23:48
Speaker 1: and they both put on a great show. They have
23:51
Speaker 1: great sets, solid type fives, you know. And then the
23:56
Speaker 1: Toros get second place. The Clovers when first place Nationals.
24:01
Speaker 1: Congratulations to the Clovers, and then a kiss because we
24:06
Speaker 1: can't close out the movie without a Cliff kiss. Wait, well,
24:10
Speaker 1: and I'm just realizing he did Cliff go to Daytona Beach. Yes,
24:13
Speaker 1: he got on a flight last minute from San Diego
24:18
Speaker 1: to San Diego Diego. He should be in school right
24:25
Speaker 1: like this is his parents really were fu Where are children?
24:31
Speaker 1: Why did they have to move? Like we don't know
24:33
Speaker 1: what the story has? All right, So that's the story.
24:38
Speaker 1: Give it up for the Clover's Okay. I like the
24:43
Speaker 1: live shops where we were like clap for the plot.
24:46
Speaker 1: Now it works as a steamless transition whenever I need
24:50
Speaker 1: to insert the ad break because when is what that's
24:52
Speaker 1: all above it? Where to begin, Well, let's start with Torrance.
25:08
Speaker 1: So Torrence is the main character. She's played by Kirsten Dunst.
25:13
Speaker 1: I didn't realize until more recently. Kind of like this
25:16
Speaker 1: stock character that Kirsten duns plays where she is very
25:20
Speaker 1: popular but she's also nice. I feel like she she
25:24
Speaker 1: takes up a similar role and dropped Dead gorgeous in
25:27
Speaker 1: Spider Man, where it's like she always is like this
25:30
Speaker 1: like white blonde girl who's very well liked by everybody,
25:33
Speaker 1: and she has a code of ethics that she abides
25:36
Speaker 1: by and we're like, all right, sure, you know, but
25:39
Speaker 1: then surrounding her are like popular girls who are bitchy
25:43
Speaker 1: and me and out to get her, like like Denise
25:46
Speaker 1: Richards and dropped Dead Gordon's and in this movie Courtney
25:49
Speaker 1: and Whitney. But she like she plays this very like sweetheart,
25:55
Speaker 1: virginal snaggle toothy little thing and yeah it's her thing.
26:03
Speaker 1: Am I like crazy? That's her, Like she brags about it.
26:07
Speaker 1: She Oh, she needs to be here's the thing. Someone
26:13
Speaker 1: told us. She's called as a small tooth. She needs
26:18
Speaker 1: to be cast in a Bruckheimer joint to get those veneers,
26:21
Speaker 1: Bruckheimer veneers that I love. But yeah, so she's surrounded
26:25
Speaker 1: She's like the nice, popular cheerleading captain surrounded by wretched
26:31
Speaker 1: people for the most part. Yeah, but she always plays
26:34
Speaker 1: sort of like this person with a moral center, and
26:37
Speaker 1: that like sort of translates throughout a lot of her roles,
26:39
Speaker 1: and this is like a really good example of one
26:43
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, it's it's weird, she's kind of
26:45
Speaker 1: all over. I feel like, in general, this movie shows
26:49
Speaker 1: more sympathy towards Tour than is necessary a lot of
26:54
Speaker 1: the time, where there's a lot of like empathy that
26:58
Speaker 1: should be placed with Isis and with East Compton that
27:03
Speaker 1: is instead given to Tour in wait, like during the
27:05
Speaker 1: scenes every time she realizes she's accidentally plagiarized, again, we're
27:10
Speaker 1: supposed to feel terrible for her, and it's like someone
27:14
Speaker 1: just has to be fact checking this. Like when Tour
27:17
Speaker 1: and Missy go to East Compton High and Missy's like, look,
27:21
Speaker 1: this was a stolen routine to I was like, no,
27:25
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is such a I'm so embarrassed,
27:30
Speaker 1: and like we're supposed to be like, no, Tour, don't
27:32
Speaker 1: be sad, It's okay, girl, But it's like, no, we
27:35
Speaker 1: should be like upset for ice, Like there's there's just
27:38
Speaker 1: a lot of moments where we're supposed to feel bad
27:41
Speaker 1: for Kirsen Duns where I'm kind of like, whatever, fix it,
27:43
Speaker 1: like you know. That's that is the big thing about
27:47
Speaker 1: this movie for me is that it touches on like
27:51
Speaker 1: race and appropriation because it is effectively about a group
27:55
Speaker 1: of largely white upper class teens stealing from a community
28:02
Speaker 1: of I think everyone on the Clovers as a person
28:05
Speaker 1: of color, so they're stealing from people of color. Yet
28:10
Speaker 1: the movie is told from the point of view of
28:12
Speaker 1: the white people, and for most of the movie, the Clovers,
28:16
Speaker 1: the people of color, are poised as the bad guys
28:20
Speaker 1: that we're paying rooting against because we're rooting for the
28:24
Speaker 1: white people exactly because the Protectors, which like this is
28:28
Speaker 1: like the common start. You know, white women steal from
28:31
Speaker 1: us all the time, how that is, but like the
28:34
Speaker 1: fact that they put I always found it weird that
28:37
Speaker 1: the Clovers were seen like as the bad people when
28:42
Speaker 1: they were getting random uk the whole most reimagine this
28:47
Speaker 1: movie from the Clover's point of view, because then it's
28:49
Speaker 1: about like Isis and her squad working very hard creating
28:53
Speaker 1: original cheers and then they see like two white girls
28:57
Speaker 1: snooping around on their practice who belonged to a squad
29:01
Speaker 1: of like all white people three hours away. Which, yeah,
29:07
Speaker 1: it's like it should not be told from the point
29:09
Speaker 1: of view of the white people. Yeah, we should be
29:12
Speaker 1: rooting for the people who's whose cheers they're inappropriated. It's
29:18
Speaker 1: so weird. Yeah, there there, And it also it sort
29:21
Speaker 1: of feels like a weird cop out for Kirsten Dunks's
29:23
Speaker 1: character to never know, and so we have her as
29:26
Speaker 1: sort of like this channel of like, oh, I hope
29:29
Speaker 1: that she makes it right, Like, let's because I feel
29:32
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with that, and I really hope that Kirston Duns
29:35
Speaker 1: and her dad figure this out, like and yeah, there
29:40
Speaker 1: there's a lot of moments that there's just like some
29:42
Speaker 1: dissonance and like, you know, we watched an Twine nineteen
29:45
Speaker 1: is like that's not how hopefully most of us feel.
29:48
Speaker 1: But the movie is so clearly feels certain that you're
29:51
Speaker 1: going to feel that way that like Kirston and her
29:54
Speaker 1: dad are gonna solve solve like white women stealing from
29:59
Speaker 1: like black women, and that it's just the white man
30:02
Speaker 1: is going to solve the problem of white women stealing
30:05
Speaker 1: from black movement. Daddy is actually the missing piece there.
30:10
Speaker 1: What if Daddy were here? Well, I was so worried
30:13
Speaker 1: that it was kind of going to become a white
30:15
Speaker 1: savior movie where she's like, my dad, I took money
30:19
Speaker 1: from my dad and I'm giving it to you. And
30:22
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that that's not what happened. But I
30:24
Speaker 1: can't help but to think, and this this is a theory.
30:29
Speaker 1: Let me know how you think about it. But I
30:31
Speaker 1: feel like Isis rejecting the money was not the writer
30:36
Speaker 1: of the movie is deliberate attempt to be like, hey,
30:38
Speaker 1: I want to make sure this is not a white
30:39
Speaker 1: savior story. I think it was more to make Isis
30:43
Speaker 1: and the Clovers seem like more scary mean adversaries. Who
30:52
Speaker 1: the hell named her isis also crossed my mind. Not
30:59
Speaker 1: a crazi like movie. Just really is bad at naming anyone, Yeah,
31:05
Speaker 1: real bad. Let's put the other team Isis and al Qaeda.
31:12
Speaker 1: Isis is an Egyptian goddess question master's degree. Okay, yeah,
31:20
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping she was named after that. I think
31:23
Speaker 1: this was pretty scary ices I think by a long time.
31:28
Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean they could have gotten with Cam. Yeah,
31:33
Speaker 1: one off the table, They're like, No, Torrance versus isis
31:38
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, this movie comes on really strong.
31:43
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't really know, Like here's here's why.
31:45
Speaker 1: I think that because the movie frames the Clovers as quote,
31:50
Speaker 1: the bad guys and the and like adhering to for
31:53
Speaker 1: a large chunk of the movie, the stereotype of the
31:56
Speaker 1: angry black woman. So I feel like that her tearing
31:59
Speaker 1: up the check wasn't like, oh, this isn't a white
32:02
Speaker 1: savior story. It was more that like, we're mean. We're
32:05
Speaker 1: not going to take your money because we're mean, Like
32:08
Speaker 1: we're not gonna we're not going to try to reason
32:11
Speaker 1: with you, and we're not going to try to let
32:13
Speaker 1: you make it right. We're just gonna be mad. Right,
32:16
Speaker 1: That's how I interpreted it. But I think there I
32:19
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I guess the only counterpoint I
32:22
Speaker 1: would have today is there's for so much of the
32:25
Speaker 1: movie it was like I was like, when are we
32:27
Speaker 1: going to get to learn anything about like the individual
32:31
Speaker 1: characters on the Clovers, Because it's it's so deep into
32:35
Speaker 1: the movie that you find out even remotely anything in
32:38
Speaker 1: the in the closest you get is that scene where
32:40
Speaker 1: they're writing the letter to the talk show host, where
32:43
Speaker 1: they're like vaguely describing their economic background, they're vaguely describing
32:47
Speaker 1: what their plan is. It's clear they have a plan
32:50
Speaker 1: to get to nationals no matter what. So because that
32:53
Speaker 1: scene came right before like the only moment we got
32:56
Speaker 1: with them came right before that, I'm hoping that the
33:00
Speaker 1: writer was trying to at least give Isis a moment
33:05
Speaker 1: and and and try to help the audience understand where
33:08
Speaker 1: she's coming from. It doesn't go nearly far enough in
33:11
Speaker 1: just like developing the interior lives of anyone on The Clovers,
33:14
Speaker 1: which is like such, why is like why do we
33:17
Speaker 1: waste so much like real estate in this movie? On
33:19
Speaker 1: fucking Cliff when half the cast is being ignored for
33:24
Speaker 1: the whole movie, Like cut Cliff, and let's like learn
33:27
Speaker 1: about Isis and and all of her and the girl
33:30
Speaker 1: group black who is in the who are the only
33:35
Speaker 1: other teammates on? Did anyone else listen to that group? In?
33:39
Speaker 1: One of them is on Real Housewives of Atlanta. Now, yes, okay,
33:43
Speaker 1: I've got someone with me. We've got a fact checker
33:46
Speaker 1: and I've got a fact checker is constantly googling everything
33:49
Speaker 1: to say, but we don't get to know anything about
33:52
Speaker 1: about those characters. And it's uh, the closest we get
33:55
Speaker 1: at the scene that comes right before that. I feel
33:57
Speaker 1: like it's clear at least that Tore was deeply misguided
34:02
Speaker 1: to do that. I don't think it goes far enough,
34:03
Speaker 1: but I hope that that's the implication. Yeah, well we'll
34:08
Speaker 1: never know. We'll never I mean, yeah, everyone involved with
34:10
Speaker 1: this movie is dead, so there's no one to check with. Okay.
34:21
Speaker 1: I was like, we should tweet at him right now
34:25
Speaker 1: to keep going on tour. There there's a lot to
34:28
Speaker 1: talk about going on tour, like like we're gonna do
34:34
Speaker 1: to the East coast anyway. Plugs are later. I mean,
34:38
Speaker 1: we know more about Tour than anyone else in the movie.
34:41
Speaker 1: We arguably know too much about her to the point
34:43
Speaker 1: where I don't care. There was one scene with her
34:48
Speaker 1: mom that I liked. We don't get which is weird.
34:52
Speaker 1: It's weird that there's like this whole scene with Tour
34:54
Speaker 1: and her mom that is like generally positive, but we
34:56
Speaker 1: never really go back to her mom again, and so
34:58
Speaker 1: it kind of ends up not mattering, but they're doing
35:01
Speaker 1: the back and forth of tours. Mom is like, you
35:04
Speaker 1: cheer too much. Take a math class. And then Torrence
35:09
Speaker 1: is like, you hate that I'm not a genius. You
35:12
Speaker 1: hate that I'm an idiot. I like that. I like
35:16
Speaker 1: that mediocrity visibility. We need more of that. Yeah, the
35:23
Speaker 1: mediover people everywhere, and they're no, we don't see them
35:26
Speaker 1: on screen. I mean we do, we do female form. Ever,
35:29
Speaker 1: sure we do a lot to like Champion, like you know,
35:32
Speaker 1: women's education and stuff like that. But Torrance was just like,
35:36
Speaker 1: I don't really care about school. I only care about cheerleading,
35:39
Speaker 1: and you're just gonna have to accept that, mom. And
35:41
Speaker 1: then she was like and then her mom's like, take
35:43
Speaker 1: a science class. And Torrance is like fine, And that's
35:48
Speaker 1: that should have been a subplot, not Cliff Ray. That's
35:53
Speaker 1: another great use of the time that we waste on Cliff.
35:57
Speaker 1: But let's talk Well, we're on the subject of Cliff
36:00
Speaker 1: as well. There is, of course of like vague, poorly
36:04
Speaker 1: constructed love triangle in this movie with Aaron Tore and Cliff.
36:09
Speaker 1: I've never cared less in my entire life. Oh god,
36:15
Speaker 1: So Aaron is a male cheerleader who tours in a
36:19
Speaker 1: relationship with the use of queer jokes in this movie
36:23
Speaker 1: is just horrible. But Aaron is cheating on her with
36:28
Speaker 1: a bunch of girls in college basically, and he's just
36:31
Speaker 1: a dick. He tells her he doesn't believe in her.
36:33
Speaker 1: And that's juxtaposed with this creepy scene on a swing
36:38
Speaker 1: or where Kirsten dues, Okay, I'm just gonna walk you
36:41
Speaker 1: through this scene with Cliff, please. Kirsten Duns is on
36:45
Speaker 1: a swing. She's just had a conversation with Eliza dish Coup.
36:49
Speaker 1: She walks off, She's going to do some cheerleading thing,
36:52
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Cliff swoops down twist.
36:57
Speaker 1: He's been on the swing set the whole time. You're like,
37:00
Speaker 1: oh my god. He starts to push her on the swing.
37:02
Speaker 1: This is a sinister thing that perfect student children before
37:05
Speaker 1: they kill them. Cliffs pushing her on the swing and
37:09
Speaker 1: then just like pulls the swing back and then whispers
37:12
Speaker 1: in her ear for what it's worth, I believe in you.
37:19
Speaker 1: And she's like really, He's like yeah, he's just the
37:30
Speaker 1: and and then she that is supposed to like give
37:33
Speaker 1: her the motivation to not play Giarize anymore. Like it's
37:38
Speaker 1: so ridiculous. She should very obviously arrive at this point,
37:43
Speaker 1: like this conclusion on her own. Just Cliff. They're using
37:47
Speaker 1: him to like motivate her to be a better cheerleader.
37:50
Speaker 1: But he's just like there plays the guitar, and then
37:54
Speaker 1: he like feels very entitled to her, like whenever he
37:58
Speaker 1: makes the mixtape as the Flowers, and then he finds
38:01
Speaker 1: out that she has. I mean, it's not really a mixtape,
38:04
Speaker 1: it's a fully produced original song. Yeah, good, good point.
38:09
Speaker 1: It's like Rebecca Black's Friday. It's like it's someone was
38:14
Speaker 1: paid to do production on that. He just charged it
38:18
Speaker 1: on his parents charge car, like he did everything. They're drunk,
38:21
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, dude, when did we go to the studio?
38:26
Speaker 1: Were in a benefit? We're still fucked up. There's like
38:29
Speaker 1: a full there's like drums. Either he plays all those
38:32
Speaker 1: araments or he like hired a band. He hired a band,
38:35
Speaker 1: he hired the Rebecca Black people to do it there.
38:39
Speaker 1: It's so funny and it's like one of my favorite
38:42
Speaker 1: things that happens in movies is when someone composes an
38:45
Speaker 1: original song and you can tell the movies like this
38:48
Speaker 1: is gonna be a fucking hit, and it's just like, not,
38:53
Speaker 1: that's what this song is like where he's like, you're cheerier.
38:58
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, dude, can you see you if finger
39:02
Speaker 1: you and curius it does this like jamming, and she's
39:05
Speaker 1: like this song is really good or like you're not
39:08
Speaker 1: fooling us. She's jumping on the bed without a bra
39:12
Speaker 1: like she's just like every all the stops are pulled
39:15
Speaker 1: up to make this song seem presentable, and she conveniently
39:19
Speaker 1: picked her pom poms up to dance to this bullshit.
39:23
Speaker 1: So I was like, I did independent cheerleading to the
39:28
Speaker 1: chagrin of everybody. Everybody's chagrin, and I have never once
39:33
Speaker 1: while dancing picked up my well, let me get my
39:35
Speaker 1: pom poms and really really turn this up right now.
39:39
Speaker 1: This is shitty music, right, It's happened. I forgot how
39:45
Speaker 1: I forgot the music that the Toros and the Clover's
39:49
Speaker 1: performed to at the end, and I was so I
39:51
Speaker 1: was like rocked with anxiety of like, she's gonna dance
39:54
Speaker 1: to the song They're gonna do a cheer to the
39:56
Speaker 1: Rebecca black Friday song, like but thank god, they just
40:00
Speaker 1: use jock jams, but I mean, yeah. My main thing
40:06
Speaker 1: with the with the Cliff thing is he's there, he's entitled.
40:10
Speaker 1: He's kind of like random in terms of he's all
40:13
Speaker 1: over the place. It turns where his character is. He
40:15
Speaker 1: feels like a studio note and he shouldn't be there, Like,
40:18
Speaker 1: there's just no need for that subplot. He's a p
40:22
Speaker 1: s A to future parents to tell their daughters that
40:26
Speaker 1: they love them so they're not susceptible to these random
40:33
Speaker 1: I believe in you kind of bullshit. Up. Tell your
40:37
Speaker 1: child you believe in them, so they're not out here
40:39
Speaker 1: falling in love with people making stupid ass songs for
40:43
Speaker 1: them at the mall and ship. Tell your child you
40:48
Speaker 1: believe in them. Any man who can pose his original
40:52
Speaker 1: music for you, that's a red flag. Somewhere on the Internet,
40:56
Speaker 1: there's a couple of mix tapes about thinking like this
41:01
Speaker 1: was like early I was dating the fun fun boy
41:04
Speaker 1: is fun boy ever and he wrote a song about
41:08
Speaker 1: how he liked me, and then I rejected him, and
41:11
Speaker 1: then he wrote three songs about and he wrote one
41:15
Speaker 1: of the songs I think I've played for you before.
41:17
Speaker 1: It's called your Body is Dumb. Maggie Love. Okay, it's
41:29
Speaker 1: out of here. I can't even be here for that anymore.
41:32
Speaker 1: Your body is dumb. Give me this fuse email, lad Dress,
41:37
Speaker 1: send a letter to his mom. Anyways, he's a father. Now,
41:54
Speaker 1: should we get into the just enormous list of horribly
42:00
Speaker 1: problematic things that get said and done? Yeah, let's do
42:04
Speaker 1: your let's do your power listical All right, it's very
42:10
Speaker 1: two thousand. Ready for it to be very two thousand, boy,
42:13
Speaker 1: Starting with there's a scene in a locker room where,
42:16
Speaker 1: by the way, teen girls are undressing. They are in well,
42:21
Speaker 1: I an underwear. I thought that that was more tastily
42:24
Speaker 1: done than most movies. I mean, the worst one that
42:26
Speaker 1: comes to mind is carry Whenever Sissy Space. It is
42:29
Speaker 1: just fully nude. And that doesn't know that that that
42:32
Speaker 1: locker room scene has never taken place on Earth ever.
42:37
Speaker 1: Everyone's fully nude, groping their own titties in the shower.
42:40
Speaker 1: I'm like, in, yeah, I guess there are stalls. I
42:43
Speaker 1: guess I just don't high schools have stalls. I don't
42:50
Speaker 1: see the need to show teenage girls in next to
42:56
Speaker 1: no clothing. I agree, especially when I said your leading movie,
43:01
Speaker 1: you don't need to add that extra layer of like, oh,
43:04
Speaker 1: sexualized cheerleaders and oh they're taking their come home do better.
43:09
Speaker 1: At least there's no I guess what I'm saying is
43:11
Speaker 1: that there's no gratuitous, Like it's not as gratuitous as
43:15
Speaker 1: most of these movies tend to be sure, but it's
43:18
Speaker 1: still needless all the same. Um So, in that scene,
43:23
Speaker 1: we have a number of girls calling each other sluts,
43:27
Speaker 1: whors bitches, They're fat shaming each other. There are the
43:30
Speaker 1: fun lines that, as a word smith myself I appreciated,
43:35
Speaker 1: um Like, she puts the itch and bitch and she
43:40
Speaker 1: puts the horror and horrifying. Does pass the Bechdel test?
43:44
Speaker 1: Does spoiler? Good pass? Good pass? Gang? And then there's
43:49
Speaker 1: also a weird moment where they're talking about Big Red
43:54
Speaker 1: and how much of a bit she is and they
43:56
Speaker 1: call her yeah that Courtney and Whitney say she doesn't
44:00
Speaker 1: have feelings, just testicles, right, which is just like bad writing,
44:06
Speaker 1: as are most of these bads. Don't you know when
44:11
Speaker 1: you don't wear your feelings? Okoy, she doesn't have anger,
44:15
Speaker 1: she has wisdom teeth there It's like, you know, this
44:20
Speaker 1: invisible thing it's actually a body part well, since it's
44:27
Speaker 1: testicle specifically, I guess they're saying like, oh, she's mannished,
44:31
Speaker 1: she's manly because she does is not emotional. Yeah. Yeah,
44:34
Speaker 1: So it's just I didn't know what to do with
44:36
Speaker 1: that line either. I just put question marks. I I
44:40
Speaker 1: have a lot of those as well. Yeah. Um, then
44:43
Speaker 1: they're doing some cheer practice is and there are some
44:47
Speaker 1: male cheerleaders on every team. There's male cheerleaders, which I thought,
44:51
Speaker 1: and and there's a few bad jokes about it, but
44:54
Speaker 1: not half as many bad jokes as I thought there
44:57
Speaker 1: would be, except for one big one that is boy,
45:00
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I do like that. The male cheerleaders are
45:03
Speaker 1: like they're present, but they're like mostly sidelined, like this
45:06
Speaker 1: is a very female driven movie. They're around too, and
45:10
Speaker 1: they're they're like on the team and on every team.
45:13
Speaker 1: It seems like I don't know about cheerleading. I don't
45:15
Speaker 1: know if that's normal. I just I didn't know. I
45:17
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know. Yeah, so here's some lines
45:20
Speaker 1: that some of them say, pinch some panties, someone slacking again?
45:26
Speaker 1: What does that mean? And it doesn't sound good though?
45:29
Speaker 1: And then do I look like a milkmaid because someone
45:32
Speaker 1: feels like a cow. This is in reference to one
45:35
Speaker 1: of them lifting up one of the women on the team.
45:38
Speaker 1: That's somebody shaming stuff, right there. Body shame these women
45:42
Speaker 1: just because he's weak. Yeah, I wouldn't in the gym,
45:47
Speaker 1: I didn't lift myself. My job is to lift right
45:51
Speaker 1: and it's five extra pounds and I can't do that.
45:53
Speaker 1: Like this is your problem or whatever. Phil, Yeah, I'm
45:57
Speaker 1: good to go with that. It sounds like some Phil
46:00
Speaker 1: whip ship. The names are Jan and Lez of the male.
46:07
Speaker 1: Why are these names? I don't. This is a mess.
46:11
Speaker 1: This is just a word jumble. Let's see. There's the
46:14
Speaker 1: scene where during the tryouts, one of the girls is
46:17
Speaker 1: trying out to Sweet Cherry Pie. She's very she's exty dance,
46:24
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of male gaze like shot like
46:27
Speaker 1: the camera is like in her asshole. Well not just
46:31
Speaker 1: not just that either. The women in the scene are
46:34
Speaker 1: like one gags I'm like, you know what a woman's
46:38
Speaker 1: body like this? But one goes and then the guys
46:42
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, MI have bonar. I was like, we
46:47
Speaker 1: don't don't need this, got it. Also during the tryout scene,
46:54
Speaker 1: there are various jokes made about people with disabilities and
46:58
Speaker 1: like competing in the special Olympics and things like that.
47:01
Speaker 1: There's also the Pipping guy, though you gotta there's the
47:03
Speaker 1: Pippin guy, so balances. That was like the only line
47:07
Speaker 1: I remember from the movie. Is this not the audition
47:09
Speaker 1: for Pippin? You know it's not? Bro Yeah, in the
47:14
Speaker 1: gymnasium there sucking bath Salty doesn't know where he is.
47:18
Speaker 1: He also looked forty too, Where you thank you all
47:23
Speaker 1: suspicious a forty year old dude, like, is this not
47:25
Speaker 1: the audition for Pippin? I'm supposed to be here? Must
47:31
Speaker 1: I go there? Trying out for Pippin? Another great place?
47:36
Speaker 1: If we cut Cliff, we can really explore that you
47:38
Speaker 1: know exactly exactly where? Yeah. So, Also at the tryout scene,
47:45
Speaker 1: there is a girl named Jamie who is Whitney's younger sister.
47:50
Speaker 1: A lot of the cheerleaders on the team want her
47:53
Speaker 1: to be on the squad because of how small she
47:55
Speaker 1: is and how easy she would be to lift up,
47:57
Speaker 1: which again has some like body shaming and locations and
48:00
Speaker 1: then just being weak implications. And then I think it's
48:07
Speaker 1: jan who makes like a blowjob gesture towards like Jamie,
48:12
Speaker 1: which again I don't know what. I don't know what's
48:15
Speaker 1: even implied by twelve, Like what is he saying? That
48:19
Speaker 1: was another thing that was unclear because he's making it
48:21
Speaker 1: at tour, and I thought maybe he was being like nepotism,
48:25
Speaker 1: but like, what does nepotism had to do with dick sucking?
48:27
Speaker 1: I hope in A and the and the few lines
48:32
Speaker 1: right before that he makes a comment about how again
48:36
Speaker 1: this like twelve or thirteen year old girl goes down
48:40
Speaker 1: or like does sexual stuff to get what she wants.
48:45
Speaker 1: I don't know, like she's she's visibly twelve, it is.
48:50
Speaker 1: I think she went there. I was like Whitney went
48:52
Speaker 1: and got her nine year old sister. Yea. So there's
48:55
Speaker 1: a lot of there's like problematic stuff, but like it's confusing.
49:00
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Uncanny Valley stuff where you're just
49:03
Speaker 1: like I think that I'm not okay with this, but
49:06
Speaker 1: it doesn't fully make sense. It was like at that
49:09
Speaker 1: time where it was like we are this kind of
49:13
Speaker 1: a movie, but we're gonna be talking about other stuff.
49:17
Speaker 1: We're gonna push it to the limit in every possible way.
49:20
Speaker 1: And it's like because this movie is like PG. Thirteen
49:23
Speaker 1: or something, so I think it's trying to like navigate around,
49:27
Speaker 1: like it's trying to do some innuendos that just like
49:30
Speaker 1: didn't age well or never made sense. Like I'm not
49:34
Speaker 1: trying to show that line of the R because they
49:36
Speaker 1: know no one is going to go see that. If
49:38
Speaker 1: it's an right, you know it's not gonna So they're like,
49:41
Speaker 1: we want to get as close to an R. And
49:44
Speaker 1: because this movie is for thirteen year old girls, right,
49:46
Speaker 1: And that was like who who saw it? And who
49:50
Speaker 1: you know at the sleepover for a thirteen year old?
49:53
Speaker 1: Don't worry, there's more. Okay. We've got Courtney saying about
49:57
Speaker 1: Missy that she looks like an uber insert slur for
50:02
Speaker 1: queer women here, and then she uses that word several
50:06
Speaker 1: times in a in a hateful way throughout the movie.
50:11
Speaker 1: Torrance is brother to Torrence says, it's not my fault.
50:16
Speaker 1: You're in love with a big gay cheerleader who doesn't
50:18
Speaker 1: return your calls. Torrence says he's not gay, and then
50:22
Speaker 1: he says, oh, so someone just made him become a cheerleader, okay,
50:30
Speaker 1: And she's like he's just busy, and he's like, yeah,
50:32
Speaker 1: busy scamming on guys and then that steam. It's like, actually,
50:36
Speaker 1: he's actually scamming on girls, lots of them, because there
50:42
Speaker 1: were all these like I mean, and I wasn't sure
50:45
Speaker 1: that this movie wasn't above that cheap joke of just
50:48
Speaker 1: being like, he's a male cheerleader, he must be gay,
50:51
Speaker 1: you know. But then you see Aaron wake up at
50:54
Speaker 1: his dorm and he has both a Sugar Ray and
50:56
Speaker 1: a Matchbox twenty poster, and you're like, no, no, he
51:00
Speaker 1: is straight, and a very bad kind of straight. He's
51:04
Speaker 1: the most sinister heterosexual there is. He's got both of
51:10
Speaker 1: the Devil's posters. He's a take a guitar out at
51:14
Speaker 1: a party kind of mother fart. He's that kind of straight.
51:19
Speaker 1: And then they put a villainous turtleneck on him. Later on,
51:22
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, yeah, bright Rent, he's
51:25
Speaker 1: a bad man. It's just bad. Also, that scene ends
51:29
Speaker 1: with towards his brother calling her a bit, so that
51:32
Speaker 1: was very cute. Um they put the yeah, they put
51:37
Speaker 1: the little brother. Okay, At one point in the movie
51:39
Speaker 1: where I did laugh is where the brothers like it's
51:41
Speaker 1: an emergency and then he farts. You gotta admit that
51:46
Speaker 1: that's a funny joke. I laughed. Okay, that's crazy. How
51:56
Speaker 1: sometimes a fart is better than anything you could write
51:58
Speaker 1: in five years. I should have never gotten that master's degree. No,
52:06
Speaker 1: you could have just been like, I don't know what
52:08
Speaker 1: to put her. Write a kid named justin any farts? Okay.
52:13
Speaker 1: Next comes the big one from me where they're all
52:16
Speaker 1: in a car. The car scene, Yeah, the male cheerleaders
52:20
Speaker 1: Jan and Lez are talking about their sexuality and then
52:24
Speaker 1: Missy's like, well, what is your sexuality, which is you know,
52:27
Speaker 1: maybe not of her business but um and then let's
52:31
Speaker 1: says Jan straight, Well, I'm controversial. Missy says, are you
52:36
Speaker 1: telling me you speak insert slur here? And then he's like,
52:42
Speaker 1: oh fluently. And then Missy proceeds to call Courtney and
52:47
Speaker 1: Whitney a slur and then okay, So to prove his straightness,
52:54
Speaker 1: Jan is Jan the strike guy. Jan goes on to
52:59
Speaker 1: disc gribe how he molests cheerleaders. He's like, no, I'm
53:03
Speaker 1: super straight. I am a rapist. Like you're just like,
53:08
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like he describes, well, do you have
53:12
Speaker 1: the specifics written? Now? I was horrified. It's like, I'm
53:15
Speaker 1: so straight, it's problematic. I'm so straight. I should be
53:20
Speaker 1: in jail, Like, yeah, it's it's right, And then everyone
53:26
Speaker 1: in the car is like, ha ha ha, yeah, you're
53:30
Speaker 1: molesting her friends. Jam's like, no, Courtney is straight. I
53:34
Speaker 1: know this because she doesn't wear underwear, and I can't
53:37
Speaker 1: help if my digits slip occasionally. Okay, okay, number one,
53:41
Speaker 1: you digit an't gonna slip doing a chairlift. That is
53:44
Speaker 1: not a thing. That's you intentionally doing it too. If
53:47
Speaker 1: you would be concentrating more on your form, you would
53:50
Speaker 1: be able to lift more and not worry about if
53:54
Speaker 1: anyone getined an extra founds and maybe keep your hands
53:56
Speaker 1: in the right position. Yeah for maximum, When did Is
54:00
Speaker 1: tweets at him, the finger tweeted at the actor another thing,
54:08
Speaker 1: it is so like weirdly on the nose though, to
54:10
Speaker 1: be like, no, I like it feels like a weirdly
54:14
Speaker 1: like it sounds like modern satire. To be like no,
54:17
Speaker 1: I'm like sis white dude, I'm a fucking criminal. He's like,
54:22
Speaker 1: this is not helping anyone. This is not And then
54:27
Speaker 1: the whole people are laughing about it. And then because
54:31
Speaker 1: it's basically saying like, oh, she doesn't wear underwear, so
54:34
Speaker 1: she's asking for it, is what the movie is trying
54:37
Speaker 1: to stay here then, and it's also not logical that
54:41
Speaker 1: she wouldn't wear underwear to it just like goes out
54:43
Speaker 1: of the way to make one of the female characters
54:45
Speaker 1: look dumb as fun. It's like, if you're cheerleading and
54:48
Speaker 1: you know, like you're wearing underwear, not only are you
54:51
Speaker 1: wearing underwear, you're wearing bloomers on the underwear, So that
54:55
Speaker 1: part never matched for me. It's like, you're digits are
54:58
Speaker 1: gonna slip, It's gonna slip in through or like come on, man,
55:01
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? Champ right? Jan was that
55:05
Speaker 1: short for well, we should see it play out. We
55:12
Speaker 1: see it play out a few semes later at the
55:14
Speaker 1: at the football game where he's doing the lift and
55:18
Speaker 1: then we see her reaction and she's like it almost
55:20
Speaker 1: seems like she's enjoying it, which is like very and
55:25
Speaker 1: but then she like he lets her down and then
55:27
Speaker 1: she kind of hits him, but we see him on
55:30
Speaker 1: screen assault her while they're cheering. And then there's another
55:35
Speaker 1: scene where I think it's Missy and one of the
55:39
Speaker 1: cheerleaders male cheerleaders is like stretching her leg out and
55:44
Speaker 1: there's two guys that pass and the two football jocks
55:47
Speaker 1: who have been like harassing the male cheerleaders the whole right,
55:51
Speaker 1: and then they're like, maybe we should do in the
55:53
Speaker 1: d because they're they're like looking at like, oh, they're
55:56
Speaker 1: touching girls, and then the other one just as a
56:00
Speaker 1: gay slur to the other one, and then the scene
56:03
Speaker 1: is over, and that's a scene that exists forever. Yep,
56:07
Speaker 1: I probably missed some, and there's I'm just gonna do
56:09
Speaker 1: a few more. Okay, so uh, there's a car wash
56:12
Speaker 1: scene where we see like a closeup of Eliza dis
56:14
Speaker 1: chest and then it's because it's her brother auggling her
56:18
Speaker 1: until he realized it and he's like, oh, but it
56:22
Speaker 1: means we have this very male gage shot of like
56:24
Speaker 1: just a woman's breast you have. I mean, that whole
56:26
Speaker 1: sequence is just like getting allegedly teen girls wet, even
56:31
Speaker 1: though as with most of these movies that Kirsten Dunce
56:34
Speaker 1: is and Kirson Dunce is the only legitimate teenager there's
56:38
Speaker 1: it's Kirson duns and a bunch of twenty seven year olds. Also,
56:42
Speaker 1: a quick fact check, a car wash is not a
56:45
Speaker 1: good fundraiser. Oh did you do one? I'll buy Yourself.
56:54
Speaker 1: Caitlyn thre onto his Savage Moments Part three, Holy Ship
57:01
Speaker 1: have been attacks. I remember like in like elementary and
57:05
Speaker 1: then junior high and even like my friends who like
57:08
Speaker 1: cheered at like normal high schools and stuff like that
57:11
Speaker 1: was just never. No one wants a bunch of teen
57:14
Speaker 1: girls washing their car for twenty dollars. No, and they're
57:18
Speaker 1: never in like it's so it's so movie to imply
57:21
Speaker 1: that all car washes are hot teens in bikinis, because
57:25
Speaker 1: I did. I did that with the Key Club and
57:28
Speaker 1: we were wearing like three shirts extra really didn't make
57:33
Speaker 1: much money, did you sixty? And it was like a
57:36
Speaker 1: twelve hour day, right, and it was all y'all's moms
57:39
Speaker 1: coming through to be nice. It was like moms and
57:42
Speaker 1: neighbors being like, okay, but don't touch it. Bad idea,
57:50
Speaker 1: bad for business. That's just a fact check. Yeah, thank you,
57:54
Speaker 1: thank you for them and their children, and so please
57:57
Speaker 1: stop looking at them. Yeah. And then the last one,
58:01
Speaker 1: I'll say, there are more, but we're running out of
58:04
Speaker 1: time is the choreographer Sparky whatever the funk is literally
58:09
Speaker 1: everything he does, everything he said, every everything he does
58:12
Speaker 1: is just wildly horrible. Here's the thing with all of
58:18
Speaker 1: these moments. In some cases, the characters who are using
58:21
Speaker 1: the homophobic slurs or who are using the language that's
58:24
Speaker 1: like body shaming or slut shaming, they are framed as
58:28
Speaker 1: being like bad, wrong people, like when it's the football
58:33
Speaker 1: players who are harassing people and stuff like that. But
58:37
Speaker 1: in other cases, these things are being said by the
58:39
Speaker 1: characters who are supposed to like it's supposed to be
58:41
Speaker 1: rooting for, like whenever Missy uses the various like homophobic slurs,
58:46
Speaker 1: or when they're all laughing along when the guy is
58:50
Speaker 1: admitting to assaulting his teammate. Yeah, t he And there's
58:54
Speaker 1: there's not much, just because I do want to get
58:57
Speaker 1: to the Clovers. But as for see, it's and again
59:01
Speaker 1: I feel like she her character suffers because of Cliff's presence.
59:06
Speaker 1: So many suffer at the hands of Cliff, so many
59:11
Speaker 1: because she starts out as like a pretty interesting you know,
59:14
Speaker 1: it's like she's she's a guff and I'm like, I'm
59:17
Speaker 1: on board. But you know, it's like and she and
59:20
Speaker 1: tore form of friendship, it's an unlikely friendship, but once
59:24
Speaker 1: Cliff starts to get too involved, she almost gets sidelined.
59:27
Speaker 1: And she's only like serving as like, oh, Cliff said
59:31
Speaker 1: that you've got nice boobs, and you're just like, man,
59:35
Speaker 1: this is a waste of Elijah Douche first of all.
59:38
Speaker 1: And then it's like their friendship gets sidelined kind of
59:40
Speaker 1: until the very very end, which is a bummer. Yeah. Uh,
59:46
Speaker 1: And with that, let's talk about the Clovers, which I mean,
59:51
Speaker 1: again it's uh, we really only know Isis in any
59:56
Speaker 1: meaningful way played by Gabrielle Union, and she's I mean,
1:00:00
Speaker 1: she's really fucking cool. Like I love that character, and
1:00:03
Speaker 1: it's frustrating that you don't get to know her better
1:00:07
Speaker 1: because there's space in the movie to do it, and
1:00:09
Speaker 1: the movie just literally chooses not to do it, but
1:00:13
Speaker 1: so much emotional depth if you're to like really concentrated
1:00:18
Speaker 1: on the story behind them, Like there was really an
1:00:21
Speaker 1: opportunity for that that they just let fall, right because
1:00:25
Speaker 1: like I mean, in most cases, when you're seeing i
1:00:28
Speaker 1: mean fucking varsity blues and ship like that, if you
1:00:31
Speaker 1: see the cheerleaders, they're like, it's a bunch of like
1:00:34
Speaker 1: suburban white people, so like, just to give visibility to
1:00:39
Speaker 1: this group of cheerleaders who are all people of color,
1:00:41
Speaker 1: and then like, what's their experience? Like, I want to
1:00:44
Speaker 1: know more, and then the movie just like glasses over
1:00:47
Speaker 1: that whole thing. Yeah, I mean, but there are a
1:00:51
Speaker 1: few lines from from Isis when we do get to
1:00:54
Speaker 1: see her, we get to see her almost always in
1:00:57
Speaker 1: control of the situation. Sometimes that's aimed as her being
1:01:01
Speaker 1: the villain, and then later on it you can see
1:01:04
Speaker 1: her and tours starting to form like this captain's respect
1:01:08
Speaker 1: when which you know captains will know she basically has respect.
1:01:16
Speaker 1: There's a line where she's like, hey, you guys have
1:01:20
Speaker 1: been stealing from us, but no longer I'm the captain,
1:01:23
Speaker 1: that it's a captain. They also say do the right
1:01:29
Speaker 1: thing over and over, and I'm like, are they talking
1:01:32
Speaker 1: about this Mike Lee movie where he sometimes keeps being
1:01:36
Speaker 1: like I want to do the right thing. I was like,
1:01:38
Speaker 1: do you know what you're saying? And I want to
1:01:43
Speaker 1: do the right thing. And then she does a little
1:01:46
Speaker 1: wing and flashes her snaggle tooth. They're like, what's going
1:01:49
Speaker 1: on here? And then she goes to East Conda drives
1:01:53
Speaker 1: once again three hours. I'm like, there's gotta be a
1:01:55
Speaker 1: phone number, but also she drives three hours. It goes
1:02:00
Speaker 1: to see Isis and like all the Clover cheerleaders and
1:02:05
Speaker 1: offers her white savior daddy check and says, once again,
1:02:09
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do the right thing. And I was like,
1:02:12
Speaker 1: what the funk is going on in this script? It's
1:02:14
Speaker 1: so funny, A fun moment where one of the Clover's
1:02:19
Speaker 1: calls Missy and Torrance buffies, which is fun because Aliza
1:02:25
Speaker 1: Disku played Faith and Buffy the vampires Layer run around
1:02:30
Speaker 1: this time, so fun. Fuck with her saying I want
1:02:34
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. That further makes her into
1:02:37
Speaker 1: the good person. Yes, very verbally saying she's trying to
1:02:42
Speaker 1: do the right thing. She's trying to be the right person,
1:02:45
Speaker 1: and you're you're not letting her do the right thing. Yeah,
1:02:48
Speaker 1: it's just a microaggression. Yeah, I do like Isis gives
1:02:53
Speaker 1: a pretty concise response that I really like. She says.
1:02:57
Speaker 1: When Kirsen Dunn comes with her white guilt check, Isis replies, like,
1:03:01
Speaker 1: what is this hush money? All right, it's guilt money.
1:03:03
Speaker 1: You pay our way in and you sleep better at
1:03:05
Speaker 1: night knowing how your whole world was based on one big,
1:03:07
Speaker 1: old fat lie. And then she tears the check up
1:03:10
Speaker 1: and that's like a great cathartic moment. You're like, you're right,
1:03:13
Speaker 1: fucking fun Kristen Dunn's dad we just saw for the
1:03:17
Speaker 1: first time in the last time in the movie, fucking daddy, like,
1:03:21
Speaker 1: get out of here. And and then she you know,
1:03:24
Speaker 1: pulls out the captain speaks. She's like, I'm trying to
1:03:26
Speaker 1: be strong for my squad. I'm a captain. We're like,
1:03:29
Speaker 1: we know the captain talk is strong in this movie,
1:03:34
Speaker 1: but I I mean, it's it's so it's so weird
1:03:36
Speaker 1: because I feel like, I don't know, like we're talking
1:03:38
Speaker 1: about earlier. I don't know how the movie is supposed
1:03:40
Speaker 1: it wants us to feel about this scene, But watching
1:03:44
Speaker 1: it now, you're you're I mean, I feel like we're
1:03:47
Speaker 1: all like, tear the check up. Fuck that. But I
1:03:50
Speaker 1: think in two thousand, the way everything was then the
1:03:55
Speaker 1: movie frames all the Clovers as the mean adversary is
1:04:00
Speaker 1: that are causing problems and being mean. Yeah, there is
1:04:04
Speaker 1: a quote about from Gabrielle Union about being in Bringing
1:04:10
Speaker 1: On that I wanted to read to you is sort
1:04:14
Speaker 1: of like an insight of where she was at around
1:04:16
Speaker 1: this time. She's also twenty eight in this movie, which
1:04:20
Speaker 1: you're like, how is that possible. It's blacked out correct,
1:04:25
Speaker 1: extremely it's why Okay, So she says about getting cast
1:04:30
Speaker 1: in Bringing It On. Uh, she says, I wanted this
1:04:34
Speaker 1: cheerleading movie Sugar and Spice, but they didn't go black
1:04:37
Speaker 1: on any of their roles. I couldn't even audition for
1:04:40
Speaker 1: Bringing On. The story is about cultural appropriation and how
1:04:43
Speaker 1: the hard work of African Americans has been repackaged with
1:04:46
Speaker 1: blonde hair and blue has the social justice of it
1:04:48
Speaker 1: appealed to me, Which is great that that is what
1:04:52
Speaker 1: she saw. But the fact, I mean, just even bringing
1:04:54
Speaker 1: up that she wasn't allowed to audition for this other
1:04:57
Speaker 1: cheerleading movie because they didn't quote unquote go black, is
1:05:01
Speaker 1: like such an insight to where casting was then and
1:05:05
Speaker 1: just like what her options were. Like, I mean, I'm
1:05:08
Speaker 1: so glad she was in Bringing It On, but that quote,
1:05:11
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, this is such a problem, Like
1:05:14
Speaker 1: it's a problematic movie with problematic parts, but this was
1:05:17
Speaker 1: the best option, right, right was the option. It was
1:05:23
Speaker 1: an advertising looking option on top of that, which is
1:05:26
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, it just speaks to what
1:05:29
Speaker 1: was going on at the time and like what the
1:05:31
Speaker 1: reality of the film industry was. Fact then yeah, and
1:05:36
Speaker 1: so it's like has gotten better, it's fixed everything. I'm
1:05:42
Speaker 1: so sorry everything everything. Thankfully we've resolved it as everything
1:05:48
Speaker 1: is great. We got to check from daddy and it's
1:05:51
Speaker 1: fixed and Finn. I mean, in general, I'm very glad
1:05:57
Speaker 1: that the Clover's win and that the screenwriter had the
1:06:00
Speaker 1: foresight to like because in every way they're the superior
1:06:04
Speaker 1: team because they've never plagiarized anyone. They've earned everything they've gotten,
1:06:09
Speaker 1: and like they're a better I mean, they have the
1:06:12
Speaker 1: better routine every single time. So I'm glad that they got.
1:06:16
Speaker 1: In my head, I was like they got School of
1:06:18
Speaker 1: rocked where where like the ragtag team of young white
1:06:23
Speaker 1: people lose and and it's fun to watch, but I
1:06:29
Speaker 1: wish that there were more to criticize because I wish
1:06:31
Speaker 1: we knew more about these characters in general, but there's
1:06:34
Speaker 1: just like not we just don't know enough about the
1:06:36
Speaker 1: movies should be told from their point of view, like
1:06:38
Speaker 1: they should have been a different script, different story told
1:06:42
Speaker 1: from a different perspective. On that note, like we don't
1:06:45
Speaker 1: know a lot about them, and she didn't know a
1:06:48
Speaker 1: lot about them, but the check when she got the
1:06:50
Speaker 1: check from her dad, like she bullied her dad into
1:06:54
Speaker 1: getting the dad's company to write a check. So what
1:06:58
Speaker 1: could she possibly have told him to tell them to
1:07:02
Speaker 1: write the check? Like, Hey, I need a check for
1:07:06
Speaker 1: some some black girls that my daughter was stealing from cheerleading? Wise,
1:07:12
Speaker 1: can you give me eight thousand dollars so they can
1:07:15
Speaker 1: get to flour? Like what could you have told them?
1:07:18
Speaker 1: Like and that's just another that like you just walk
1:07:21
Speaker 1: like this guy just has the privilege to walk into
1:07:23
Speaker 1: his employer and be like I need money to get
1:07:26
Speaker 1: a team of people to Nationals And his company was
1:07:29
Speaker 1: just like is your kid in No, I guess no
1:07:33
Speaker 1: follow up questions for like this is not my child squad,
1:07:36
Speaker 1: this is random kids three hours south and they were
1:07:41
Speaker 1: still cool with it. And that like Tor was expecting
1:07:44
Speaker 1: to just come in with a check that clearly, I says,
1:07:47
Speaker 1: would have no idea where this money is from. She
1:07:48
Speaker 1: doesn't know who Krison does dad is. We don't know
1:07:50
Speaker 1: who Krison does dad is, and that Kars and Kness
1:07:53
Speaker 1: was coming from this place of just like well you're
1:07:55
Speaker 1: gonna want it, right and then like she was like, no,
1:07:57
Speaker 1: what is this? Who is this from? Like I feel
1:08:00
Speaker 1: like her dad would like work for Enron or something. Yeah,
1:08:03
Speaker 1: like that, there does so much is off for en
1:08:06
Speaker 1: Ron an interesting choice. I would say if I was
1:08:11
Speaker 1: an isiss position, I would have crumpled up the thing
1:08:14
Speaker 1: in front of her and thrown it and then when
1:08:16
Speaker 1: she left, moved it out deposited Like, well, I made
1:08:24
Speaker 1: my point, Like she won't know, Like what's she going
1:08:27
Speaker 1: to know? Yeah, veryone's not going to miss eight thousand.
1:08:32
Speaker 1: She's never gonna find out if I did it or not. Uh.
1:08:36
Speaker 1: One thing I did like about this movie, and it
1:08:39
Speaker 1: also brought up different like I mean it liked it
1:08:42
Speaker 1: didn't like, Uh, was that you so infrequently get to
1:08:47
Speaker 1: see young girl being athletic in any way on screen
1:08:51
Speaker 1: and getting to see there's a lot of really athletic routines.
1:08:55
Speaker 1: And there's like a lot of behind the scenes talk
1:08:57
Speaker 1: of like all the main cast of the of this
1:08:59
Speaker 1: movie had to go to Cheercamp together. There's some really
1:09:01
Speaker 1: cute behind the znes PAGs of like Karson doesn't Gabriela
1:09:05
Speaker 1: union stretching and like being friends and it's cute, but um,
1:09:09
Speaker 1: but you know, getting to see girls be athletic is
1:09:12
Speaker 1: not something you get to see in a lot of
1:09:13
Speaker 1: teen movies really ever. And so it's cool because I
1:09:18
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember in junior high seeing like these
1:09:21
Speaker 1: routines and being like, oh, that's so cool and like
1:09:23
Speaker 1: going home and like fucking loser dancing it out at
1:09:26
Speaker 1: my house, which is like, I mean, it's like, these
1:09:29
Speaker 1: movies do affect you, and it it made me wish that,
1:09:32
Speaker 1: you know, there were more movies that you got to
1:09:35
Speaker 1: see girls be athletic in different ways because you're only
1:09:38
Speaker 1: you know, when I was younger, I really wanted to
1:09:42
Speaker 1: be a dancer, and I'm sure that a lot of
1:09:45
Speaker 1: that reason was because that was how I had seen
1:09:47
Speaker 1: girls be athletic and colt and like popular culture is
1:09:50
Speaker 1: that you're dancing, your cheering. You can only do a
1:09:52
Speaker 1: few different things. And it's like men, like there should
1:09:55
Speaker 1: be more movies about girls playing sports and like doing
1:09:59
Speaker 1: other athletics. It because there's so few options for for
1:10:03
Speaker 1: for stuff like that. So there's like five thousand movies
1:10:06
Speaker 1: about men playing football and like winning the game, ten
1:10:11
Speaker 1: movies about women's sports teams period. I love movies about
1:10:15
Speaker 1: when the boys win the game at the last minute. Yeah,
1:10:21
Speaker 1: they're the best genre. On that note, I like that
1:10:24
Speaker 1: the movie showed the athleticism of cheerleading. Yes, people a
1:10:28
Speaker 1: lot of the time think of cheerleading is just like, oh,
1:10:30
Speaker 1: you're just shaking pom poms and dancing and shaking your
1:10:33
Speaker 1: butt or whatever. But like my senior project was on
1:10:38
Speaker 1: cheerleading injuries, and cheerleading is like the number two catastrophic sport.
1:10:46
Speaker 1: It's after football, and football they were a ton of
1:10:50
Speaker 1: like there's like a ton of athleticism required the cheerleading.
1:10:54
Speaker 1: I like that this movie really showcase that. Yeah, I mean,
1:10:57
Speaker 1: like and getting to see again, I appreciated getting to
1:11:00
Speaker 1: see full routines too, Like that was really cool. And there,
1:11:04
Speaker 1: I mean, there's still so much where if you want
1:11:06
Speaker 1: to fall down the rabbit hole of how professional cheerleaders
1:11:09
Speaker 1: are treated now, it's like such a wild thing where
1:11:13
Speaker 1: most of them aren't unionized, most of them are paid
1:11:15
Speaker 1: like minimum wage and like professional team cheer like for football,
1:11:20
Speaker 1: like Major American football. You know, where the football players
1:11:23
Speaker 1: are making millions and millions of dollars, there are some
1:11:25
Speaker 1: cheerleaders out there who were making nothing and getting injured
1:11:29
Speaker 1: like at a comparable rate. So it's still like, uh,
1:11:33
Speaker 1: sport that isn't being taken seriously, And I don't know,
1:11:35
Speaker 1: it's it is cool to just see women being athletic
1:11:38
Speaker 1: and kicking ass like they don't require a cheerleading coach
1:11:41
Speaker 1: to have any kind of training. Has demonstrated by Mrs
1:11:45
Speaker 1: spirit Fingers. He just lets spark you mcgorakan or whoever
1:11:48
Speaker 1: he made was show up convictions that they gave two
1:11:53
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to don't do that. My name is Spanky.
1:12:01
Speaker 1: They're like, coo coo, coo coo cool, We'll get the
1:12:03
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars. Kirsten's dad is getting it for us.
1:12:07
Speaker 1: That's got it. Uh do anything else? Get not? Really,
1:12:11
Speaker 1: I feel like we've only scratched the surface of this wild,
1:12:15
Speaker 1: wild movie, but there's so much here. Yeah, I guess
1:12:18
Speaker 1: it's it is cool that you see the athleticism of cheerleading,
1:12:22
Speaker 1: that you see cheerleading has a sport being taken seriously.
1:12:26
Speaker 1: You see a female driven story where the women are
1:12:29
Speaker 1: driving the narrative. There you see a lot of different
1:12:32
Speaker 1: personality types among the women that you see, which is
1:12:35
Speaker 1: like usually not something that you Yet there's women in
1:12:38
Speaker 1: conflict and you understand why, which almost never happens sometimes
1:12:43
Speaker 1: and then sometimes it's Courtney and Whitney being mean for
1:12:47
Speaker 1: no reason, right right, I mean, I guess I was
1:12:50
Speaker 1: more talking about like the tour. Missy tore in isis like,
1:12:55
Speaker 1: share are some female conflicts where you're like, these people
1:12:57
Speaker 1: are very different and I understand why they do not agree,
1:13:00
Speaker 1: such as tours stealing constantly and she's like I know, no, AB,
1:13:06
Speaker 1: because she's like I do. Yeah. I think that was
1:13:12
Speaker 1: all I had sick, all right, yeah, do you have
1:13:15
Speaker 1: anything else? I think that we covered all the points
1:13:20
Speaker 1: and aired all of my grievances. That's why we're here.
1:13:25
Speaker 1: This movie definitely passes the Bechdel tests at a million
1:13:29
Speaker 1: billion times over, which is great. A lot of the
1:13:31
Speaker 1: exchanges are like you're a stupid slut, you dumb bitch,
1:13:35
Speaker 1: and and then the other girls like yes, and we're like, well,
1:13:43
Speaker 1: it's technically passes flood match capital. A lot of the
1:13:48
Speaker 1: conversations are you know about cheerleading and training and their
1:13:52
Speaker 1: goals and you should take a science class. No, right,
1:13:58
Speaker 1: so handle passes Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's rate on our
1:14:03
Speaker 1: nipple scale. Let's do it sero to five nipples based
1:14:06
Speaker 1: on the representation of women. Um, I think I'll go
1:14:10
Speaker 1: I mean yes, we know it's from two thousand and
1:14:13
Speaker 1: all the problematic things that come with that, So I'm
1:14:18
Speaker 1: it's like a two I suppose, doting a lot of
1:14:21
Speaker 1: points for all the problematic ship that happens and the
1:14:25
Speaker 1: fact that it should have been an entirely different movie
1:14:28
Speaker 1: told from the point of view of Isis and her
1:14:31
Speaker 1: clover squad, basing it on the movie that we are
1:14:34
Speaker 1: presented with. I'll give it to nipples. Didn't mention the
1:14:39
Speaker 1: pretty nice moment at the very end with Les and
1:14:43
Speaker 1: another like unnamed male cheerleader at Nationals and they're like, hey,
1:14:48
Speaker 1: good job out there, and the other one's like, hey,
1:14:50
Speaker 1: you too cool, and then it's like, I guess they're
1:14:54
Speaker 1: gonna kiss later. I don't know, but like, but that
1:14:57
Speaker 1: comes at the end of such a long string of
1:15:01
Speaker 1: like homophobia and just horrible nous that I was like, well,
1:15:05
Speaker 1: that's a nice moment, but remember all the other stuff. Movie. Um,
1:15:11
Speaker 1: so two nipples and I'll give both to Gabriel Union. Yeah,
1:15:17
Speaker 1: I'll go two and a half. Yeah. I think that
1:15:19
Speaker 1: there needs to be such a move towards the women
1:15:24
Speaker 1: of color in this movie, because that is not just
1:15:27
Speaker 1: like the right the doing the right thing, if you will,
1:15:30
Speaker 1: But it's it's the more interesting story is on the
1:15:33
Speaker 1: conflict between these two teams, like fuck the romance subplots
1:15:37
Speaker 1: like a shoehorn in later. The interesting parts of this
1:15:40
Speaker 1: movie are these white girls are stealing from these black
1:15:44
Speaker 1: girls because they feel entitled to do so, and the
1:15:48
Speaker 1: conflict that ensues there, Like that is the interesting part
1:15:51
Speaker 1: of the movie. I think that there's so much more there,
1:15:54
Speaker 1: and there's more interesting story, there's more message there, and
1:15:58
Speaker 1: just getting to know the black characters in this movie
1:16:01
Speaker 1: is such an important thing that just didn't happen. There
1:16:04
Speaker 1: was a couple of lines and then we get forty
1:16:07
Speaker 1: five minutes of Cliff like, give me a fucking break.
1:16:11
Speaker 1: It doesn't focus on the characters we need to be
1:16:14
Speaker 1: focusing on. It doesn't give the screen time to the
1:16:16
Speaker 1: characters that we need to know I would like to know.
1:16:19
Speaker 1: You know, It's like we know isis sort of, but
1:16:22
Speaker 1: we don't like. The characters that she's surrounded by are
1:16:24
Speaker 1: basically indistinguishable because we only meet them once or twice,
1:16:27
Speaker 1: and so it yeah, I mean, on and on that front,
1:16:30
Speaker 1: it's very frustrating. I am glad that you get to
1:16:33
Speaker 1: see women in conflict in a way that makes sense
1:16:35
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. I'm glad that you get
1:16:37
Speaker 1: women with different opinions to some different personalities. You get
1:16:40
Speaker 1: to see them being athletic. There. There's there's a lot
1:16:42
Speaker 1: of good things going on, but there's a lot of
1:16:44
Speaker 1: fat that could be trimmed in favor of a story
1:16:47
Speaker 1: that is better and more interesting and just it makes
1:16:52
Speaker 1: more sense for this movie to be. Uh So I'll
1:16:54
Speaker 1: do two and a half. I give one and a
1:16:57
Speaker 1: half to Isis, I'll eve her hanging with the last half,
1:17:02
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give the last one to tours
1:17:05
Speaker 1: Mom because she should take a science class. I will
1:17:10
Speaker 1: give this movie. I would say two nipples and like
1:17:15
Speaker 1: a hair, you know, two nipples and an ingrown hair.
1:17:22
Speaker 1: That's like one point. I did like that it was
1:17:26
Speaker 1: a cheerleading movie as well. It told my interests um.
1:17:28
Speaker 1: I did like that it had a lot of women
1:17:31
Speaker 1: and more women than men. And I did like that
1:17:33
Speaker 1: it was a movie where ultimately, like if you watched it,
1:17:37
Speaker 1: you could see that the women of color were in
1:17:38
Speaker 1: the right Like if you really like Waited Past, you know,
1:17:41
Speaker 1: they're little narrative, you could really see what was going
1:17:44
Speaker 1: on and then they want at the end. I liked
1:17:46
Speaker 1: that to know end. But you know, for a lot
1:17:49
Speaker 1: of the reasons why we've already discussed, like if you
1:17:52
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't hold up. You look back on
1:17:54
Speaker 1: it and you're like, wow, this was this movie was
1:17:57
Speaker 1: trying to be something and missing that mark. So um,
1:18:04
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give all of my all my nipples
1:18:07
Speaker 1: to the clover squad ahead and do that. The ingrown hair.
1:18:10
Speaker 1: Everybody else can fight over that. Yeah. This, I hope
1:18:14
Speaker 1: what happens with this movie is it becomes one of
1:18:16
Speaker 1: those stepping stone movies of like it did not do
1:18:20
Speaker 1: what it thought it was doing, and let whoever makes
1:18:23
Speaker 1: the next cheerleading movie learn from it, learn from its
1:18:26
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses, and then we can just move on,
1:18:30
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, because it still kind of did characterize
1:18:33
Speaker 1: cheerleaders in a certain kind of way is dumb, which
1:18:36
Speaker 1: is like you need to like you have academic benchmarks,
1:18:40
Speaker 1: you have to pass past high school. Stupid, Like that's
1:18:45
Speaker 1: not a thing, right, totally. Well, Maggie, thank you so
1:18:50
Speaker 1: much for drawing us. Where can you give it up?
1:18:52
Speaker 1: For Maggie? Where can people follow you online? Do you
1:19:00
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1:19:03
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1:19:10
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1:19:15
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1:19:21
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1:19:29
Speaker 1: that was not that funny. Yes it was with with
1:19:35
Speaker 1: other past guests of the show, including Ever Maynard. And yes, yes,
1:19:41
Speaker 1: thank you again so much for coming on the show.
1:19:46
Speaker 1: Give it up for yourself, give it up for Aristotle US,
1:19:53
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1:19:55
Speaker 1: everyone at the Ruby. And uh yeah, thank thanks so
1:19:58
Speaker 1: much for coming. A great night, lad