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Alien Viruses: Contamination Protocol · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something has crashed in the New Mexico Desert.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Military personnel move in, wreckages recovered, bodies are removed, and according to one alleged classified report, something else comes out of that desert with them, contamination.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three technicians working the recovery suddenly becomes sick, and then they die.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not from the crash, not from an explosion, but from something they may have been exposed to a handling whatever was removed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if that report is genuine, it raises a question that goes far beyond Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What happens when we bring something back?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was never supposed to exist on Earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because buried within decades of alleged classified documents are references to biological laboratories, extraterrestrial tissue samples, mysterious pathogens, secret recovery programs, and government programs seemingly concerned with something science fiction has worn us about for generations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Contact doesn't necessarily require an invasion, it might only require a single organism, a bacterium, a virus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Something microscopic from somewhere else, and once it's here, there may be no putting it back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're stoked to get into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been pleasant, been reading a book about alien viruses, and it's interesting, it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not it's not a topic that's discussed very often, I also don't think it's something that I had thought about that much, especially with shit from space, hitting Earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: probably should be more on people's radar than it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it is and we just haven't really known about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I am dumb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's been one of those things they've kept low under the radar for a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do think there are some sinister reasons as to why, which we're gonna get into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love sinister reasons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, today we're gonna explore a very interesting topic, the idea of alien viruses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which I'm a surface sound very plausible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this book that I'm kind of going through is by Dr. Robert M. Wood and Nick Redfern.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Robert M. Wood has spent years digging through this topic, and it seems he's been able to link a few cases to alien viruses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the book starts off with almost some soft disclosure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking about the War of the Worlds, which we've all seen or heard a variation of this, but in the end, the invade aliens are actually killed by one of our infections.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you have an another example in the Andromeda strain, a craft that's been brought back to Earth and subcrafting and a virus breaks out, but in the Andromeda strain, they talk about how we study and attempt to control these diseases, like places around the world, including the Unclassified CDC and Atlanta, and the very classified for Dietrich and Maryland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Wood, I assume, says the concern for the containment of alien pathogens may have began with the Cape Geraro alien, which was apparently held up by two federal agents for a photo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To date, they don't have any data if those two became ill or died.
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[SPEAKER_02]: however in the majestic documents they include three specific references to grass recoveries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The first is the Interplanetary phenomenon unit, and it is the prelim report on the Rosswell crash.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you have the first annual report that was published after March 1951, the dealt with extensive review of all the technology from UFOs to date.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The third
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[SPEAKER_02]: is the Special Operations Manual, also known as SOM-1-01.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is titled extraterrestrial entities and technology, recovery and disposal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Wood says that there are these three documents unite the discovery of lethal pathogens with the application to biological warfare for all to see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He says the storage of tissue samples at Fort Dietrich make it very clear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These issues will not be studied unless you have proper security clearances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He also says that understanding of retroviruses probably began there, which may have leaked to the outside literature years afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is why he hasn't been able to find anything referencing retroviruses before 1951 in open literature.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I kind of got into, what is a retro virus?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Most living cells follow a pretty simple rule.
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[SPEAKER_02]: DNA makes RNA and RNA makes proteins that keep your body functioning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A retro virus actually flips that process completely backwards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of carrying DNA, it carries RNA and brings along a special enzyme called reverse transcriptase.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That enzyme converts the viruses RNA into DNA, which is then inserted directly into your own genetic code.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once it's there, your cells are knowingly start reading those viral instructions and producing more copies of the virus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: HIV is probably the best known example of a retrovirus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's really fascinating is that over millions of years, some retroviruses infected our ancient ancestors reproductive cells, meaning their viral DNA was passed down from generation to generation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today, scientists estimates that roughly 8% of the human genome is made up of these ancient viral remnants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Most are inactive, but some have been repurposed by evolution
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, some of the best known retroviruses include HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, and HTLV1, or human T cell leukemia virus, which can lead to a rare form of leukemia in some people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Retroviruses are limited to, aren't limited to humans either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cats can be infected by feline, leukemia virus, or FELV.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And chickens are affected by avian, leukosis virus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: While these viruses affect different species in different ways, they all share the same defining characteristic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They convert their RNA into DNA, and permanently integrate themselves into the host genetic material.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as you can tell already, especially in this first episode, there's just pretty dense material, but it does pan out later in the next episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's terrifying that these things exist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That they can just come in and kind of rewire our system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to make us sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it just comes in and it's like, wow, I'm just going to go ahead and copy your DNA and shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels it does feel very deliberate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in almost like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: almost like software-ish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, I guess it's not called a computer virus for no reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it does, it does, you know, once you start entertaining the thought of an alien virus, it's definitely, in my head, it's extremely plausible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because shit or shit's coming out of the sky all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just on asteroids and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you you look at a different at a different species.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not to mention, it's happened here on earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where one section of us has linked up with another section.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it has been fucking chaos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because we have different viruses and immunities and the other population didn't like when the Europeans met with the Indians or these people have gone to lost tribes and islands and stuff and it wreaked havoc on their immune system because they didn't have the immunity that we have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And make sure we wonder
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[SPEAKER_01]: How many of the viruses and diseases we deal with today may not have be of terrestrial origin originally?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're, I think we're gonna figure that out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this book also points out a few interesting bits, the CDC and the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, the USAMRID at Fort Dietrich, have maximum level, bio-safety levels, which is labeled as BLFOR.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is also noted that Dougway proving ground in Utah is reported to have a storage house for testing biological weapons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Other countries have them as well, which may have a part in some of these alien programs, but in the UK, you have portendown and the former Soviet Union has a facility and biopree parrot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, close enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't hear anything wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, a worthwhile mention here, Rookwick, is it did say that in April of 2005, a modification was made that if any influenza strain that could cause a pandemic, it will fall under what they call.
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[SPEAKER_02]: QCD or quarantinable communicable disease, which I thought was interesting because you're talking about influenza, which is pre-fucking common.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they also cover pathogens in the book and different types like fungi, bacteria, viruses, and prions, prions are terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Brown-based diseases are growing in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Things like mad cow disease, chronic wasting disease, or a few of the big mentions, and we've most likely, all of us have heard of those ones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the idea that gets passed out is that with all of these diseases and the idea that it's possible, we may see some alien virus hit the planet is...
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[SPEAKER_02]: why we should study it and have been studying these types of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, you can almost bet that any research into new strains is most likely classified information, which makes 100% sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Furthermore, if you focused on prior based diseases and wanted to understand how to vaccinate them, or even just research them, we'll have a pretty large test population for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not to mention, as we discussed, most of these things are probably classified, which most likely means we have black budgets for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's the two-sided sword, one, how to cure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other is how to weaponize.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the overall suggestion here is if you haven't already picked up on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is that you could very easily get in your blacked-out choppers used to lay this in laser-cutting tools, knock them down with darts, pick them up, get a bovine sample, and drop the carcasses near where you got them, which for those who haven't picked up on it, then catamulation's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It may even be easy to use thermal imaging to figure out which of the herd is sick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's suggesting that we may have a hand in catamulation cases on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not all of them, but some of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I know, if you're not like me, you're probably sitting there listening and thinking, you know, it's incredibly ignorant and unlikely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, in 1967, Washington, London, and Moscow,
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[SPEAKER_02]: All signed a treaty this day's taking extra caution when exploring celestial bodies, including the moon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In its treaty, on principles governing the activities in the expert exploration and use of outer space, including the moons and other celestial bodies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The article seems to do two things, basically say that if one of the parties wants to conduct an experiment, then they have to do it with all parties involved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: also at I quote, states parties to the treaty shall pursue studies of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, and conduct exploration of them so as to avoid their harmful contamination, and also adverse changes in the environment of the Earth, resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter, and where necessary shall adopt appropriate measures for this purpose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You also have Noreen Noen, a director of the Environmental Protection Agency's research arm, who chaired a NASA-sponsored panel that said this is a very serious issue and there are already many concerns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: NASA invests in protecting us and other planets as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You also have Robert Roy, Britt, who is a science writer that said a group of scientists
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[SPEAKER_02]: an alien bacterium tin miles above Earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Plus signatures of other extraterrestrial microbes, even higher in the atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bacterium was collected at an altitude by a balloon operated by the Indian Space Research Organization.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The material collected was an unknown strain of bacteria that was said to have likely come from a comet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In 2003, National Geographic News in the letter to the British Medical Journal, a few scientists proposed that it is possible, SARS actually came from outer space.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It had fallen to Earth, landed in China, and caused an outbreak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like they believe that a literal
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's not crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's mind blowing because it's like you said it's not something that we think about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even something that we learn about and there's probably good reason why we don't necessarily learn about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we go crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We go crazy because there probably be a lot more germaphobes on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about the them collecting that one in the balloon 10 miles up like that feels very irresponsible to me, but then on the flip side, if you've got a ton of the ton of it falling earth, I really think you're going to stop it, you know, you're going to stop it if it's bad sucks does suck and almost exactly what you're getting to with the irresponsibility.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was also saying that in the right conditions be it on earth or other planets, it's 100% possible for a bacteria because of wind and other elements to actually occupy a planet the size of earth in a few days or even weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So after the six day war in the Middle East, the direct air transport from Uganda to Germany and Yugoslavia,
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[SPEAKER_02]: was disrupted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shipments of green monkeys for use and preparing vaccines were diverted to London airport before Transshipment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the process, a group of at least eight monkeys acquired a disease unknown to medical science.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This disease infected and at least
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[SPEAKER_02]: 32 people and killed five of them in Marburg, Germany.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, an unknown, at least at the time an unknown disease.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's so that's so crazy to me that
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know saying it out loud, it sounds stupid, but a disease can just happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can just manifest, exist, you know, that's so crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, we're going to move these monkeys, but in the time of the moving, they just get a new disease.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm assuming green monkeys means like good health wise, you know, like, because they're going to use, you know, prepping for vaccines and stuff so that you want to be in clear and so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now that I'm assuming since it happened in Marburg, it's, that's the Marburg virus probably, which is sort of like an Ebola S virus, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably what it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, when the space shuttle Columbia broke apart during reentry on February 2003, more than 80 on board science experiments were lost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, on February 24th, 2006, a Texas State University biologist Robert McLean found a slow
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[SPEAKER_02]: These samples were taken off of material from the crash, which goes to show how these bacteria can survive harsh environments like reentry or misled deployment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, and I feel like it goes, like, it goes both ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like look at all the shit we're shooting into space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think of like gets to like a species of some sort of extra terrestrial and it just just annihilates them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the common cold hits them and they can't handle it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is extremely possible because we're being careless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're also shooting satellites up in the air and once in a while, they come back down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know that they can drag something down with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is this episode's scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's bizarre, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to get alien herpes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we fucking terrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a few other examples are given in the book, but at this point I think we kind of get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems very possible for things to enter our atmosphere
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[SPEAKER_02]: which means at any point that the things could come here and cause chaos on our planet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Roswell seemed to be a very large kickoff, which is it's just awesome that we kind of get this circle back on Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a good time, weird timing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good timing, weird timing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is definitely, because I've had this virus book for probably three years, and I just, one day, I've just recently picked it up and was like, I'm gonna do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also funny that they reference the Cape Gerardo case because I almost started researching that I know I've heard you talk about it before I because that was I believe that's but that's pretty Roswell Cape Gerardo obviously think it is
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not talked about as much because Roswell was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So huge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually have another one in here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it'd be my next episode of a UFO crash that happened right after Roswell that rarely gets talked about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's crazy that Roswell was such a cultural phenomenon that it overshadowed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, clips everything of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of other UFO experiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It happened at that time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like I said, Roswell seemed to be a very large kickoff in a few different ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed to really bake in the idea that we are not alone in the universe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was also the start of this theory that is highly possible that these extraterrestrials are very lethal to the human population.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After what happened in Roswell, it has said that under President Truman, a secret group
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[SPEAKER_02]: A group that is staffed with the elite of the intelligence world, military and scientific community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were tasked with looking into and understanding what happened in Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The book then goes into some MJ12 history, which is very compelling to say the least.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like connecting the dots on Tim Cooper who had been receiving documents from
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[SPEAKER_02]: The dude literally had thousands of pages of information that reported to be from MJ-12.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He even provided original envelopes that contained some of these documents.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what they were doing is they were just straight up mailing him documents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, jeez.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were just mailing him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like MJ-12 was like, here you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wish I didn't email or not email, but mail me with some dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'm I'm pretty sure Nick Redford got to see and hold those envelopes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Redford does some cool shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I definitely like his work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out Nick Redford.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I read that in those documents there was one that spoke about the Los Angeles Air raid in 1942.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The document refers to atomic secrets learned from study of celestial devices.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another odd line and it was perceived with the project without further delay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another document said that in March 5, 1942, it was to Roosevelt telling him that in the wake of the invasion of Southern California, the military covered an unidentified airplane off the coast of California with no bearing on conventional explanation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then in February 22, 1944, Roosevelt had a double-top secret memo for a group known as the Special Committee on Non-Terrestrial Science and Technology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It discussed how they need to come to grips with the reality that our planet is not the only one harboring intelligent life in the universe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The committee also had a separate program where they were wanting to apply non-terrestrial know-how to their war effort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: FDR says we will take every advantage of such wonders that have come to us after we have won the war.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this document is legitimately saying that in World War II,
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[SPEAKER_02]: The war machine was wanting to put alien tech on our shit for World War II.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We heard that from both sides.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the Nazis were looking into it, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The verbi just so wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what celestial device?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and I really love the way this plays out here in a little bit because and I start the next episode off heavy with it, but and we'll get into it then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I love I love cloaking back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'll leave you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very cloaking back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So crazy enough, but not that crazy, because we actually talked about it during my Roswell case, but it's pretty nuts regardless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another document from June 1947 titled, Relationships with inhabitants of celestial bodies that was written by Robert Oppenheimer with the help of Albert Einstein, the
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[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently it has the earliest known reference to extraterrestrial biological entities or EBE's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is one of the earliest known actual references ever recorded supposedly was by Robert Oppenheimer in Albert Einstein.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you got the big brains.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy talking about ETs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also crazy the documents talk about unknown vehicles being found near white stands that were kept there as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even more so, the talk about the inside of the damn craft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Talking about typewriter-like keys that controlled propulsion systems, a 35-foot donut-shaped 1-inch tube inside the craft, filled with a clear substance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another document presented spoke about how a new laboratory was to be created to help study meteors in upper atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The allocated a small 6 million to the research in 1949.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a massive amount.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to do some inflation here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they speculate that this was far more than upper atmosphere of research.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was also funny how small things can be overlooked too because I'm reading this book and in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's just, there's some innate names, dates, times, abbreviations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was literally kind of like skimming this like, oh my god, there's so much information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I see this, this title kind of pop out, and it was, it was called military assessment of the joint intelligence committee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you take the first letter of each of those words, it spells out magic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: M.A.J.A.C.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which is a reference to M.J. 12.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was just interesting how often we probably overlooked little clues like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in this conspiracy paranormal world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you find the number?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So six million in 1949 is worth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 84 million in today's money's that's a lot yeah it's a lot it's almost a hundred million it's a lot of money looking just looking for stuff it's a lot of money just looking for stuff that's wild all right so anyways that label was on another document that stated we need a
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[SPEAKER_02]: No coordinated scientific examination is possible until we get a clear directive from the president.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, right field has a new biological laboratory and joint research development board, the FBI and MI5, and MI6 are helping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of what differentiates recovering and capturing, recovering, I know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is definitely weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It almost really feels like we've only kind of been duped for years now because in one of these MJ12 documents is titled Analysis of the Corona and Oscar a peak New Mexico wreckage of unidentified linen
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't say that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, aerodine technology and it covers flight dynamics, power plant, propulsion, construction, avionics, and navigation issues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The author of it said, I've said document says in regards to alien tech, that construction methods are unknown at this time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but alien vehicles travel through space by utilizing the ionizing plasma and the planet planets magnetic lines of force.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another one, once again, states how Robert Oppenheimer and Albert Einstein worked on a project, Jehovah, that was involved with researching UFO physics, it's also worth noting that Eisenhower said they didn't want to inflame the UFO situation with the Soviets, which is strange considering there was a time when Steve found a CIA document that stated the Soviets and the U.S. were
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[SPEAKER_02]: during the middle of Cold War.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I remember what episode that was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could not tell you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a man named Edward Teller that wrote a pitch to President Reagan, which leans into UFOs and the threat to national security.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It opens like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish to bring to your attention a very real endangered situation that threatens not only us, the world, but our very existence as a race.
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[SPEAKER_02]: no longer can the United States be in position which have found itself in 1947.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was realized in January 1950 when President Truman made a decision to go ahead with the defense program exceeding in scope and cost of the Manhattan Project.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everettella wrote a document that actually suggested UFO information be released.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He believed it should be released for a few reasons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One, to stimulate research in the field of military applications with UFO tech.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two, to promote cooperation between the US and its allies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three, to inform the American public of the true state of UFO reality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to classify most of the UFO documents and suggest we use UFO tech in the remote piloted vehicle program while also maintaining an adequate defense against UFO nuclear weapons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was in 1950 and they're talking about UFO-Rump tech and remote piloted vehicles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: January 30th, 1996, Cooper received another document that kind of blows your mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It talks about loaned crafts, which we've heard about before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The lone aircraft was designed from an aerodine recovered in 1941 in south eastern Missouri, and one captured in 1942 in Louisiana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Reconstruction commenced in 1945 with the assistance of German scientists at right field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They tried to duplicate the power plant, found in the Louisiana craft,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and integrate it with the magnetic drive system developed by Tesla.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Air Force was able to conceal the true nature of the flight operations by creating a cover story called blue book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The final document mentioned states, uh, some pretty interesting things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It mentions quote unquote weird desk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A-51, Dreamland, Area 54, and 17, and contacting 33 investors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All this information is a leading up to apparently the existence of a lethal virus of extraterrestrial origins.
37:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we get into something that instantly catches my eyes and mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're kind of circling back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is verbatim from the book on March 5th, 1942.
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[SPEAKER_02]: George C. Marshall writes top secret memo to the president.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Regarding the air raid over Los Angeles, it was learned by the Army G2 that Rear Admiral Anderson recovered and unidentified airplane off the coast of California with no bearings conventional explanation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This headquarters has come to determination that the mystery airplanes are in fact not earthly, and according to secret intelligence sources, they are in all probability of interplanetary origin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As a consequence, I have issued orders to Army G2 that a special intelligence unit be created to further investigate the phenomena and report any significant connection between
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[SPEAKER_02]: and those collected by the Director of the Office of Coordinator of Information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now, we have the creation of the IPU or the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which is just an insane name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is super rad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's crazy that, you know, that was in 1942.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was before Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so things were popping off before Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Roswell just busted it open to where... Like it was not avoidable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Johnny Cube public, started talking about UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I really do think that's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be on the interplanetary phenomenon in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be pretty sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like a badge and should have UFO on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking dope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sign me up.
39:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So this timid timidly Cooper shares this document with Robert Wood and it's classified top secret ultra.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Data July 22nd, 1947.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The document was prepared by headquarters and interplanetary, phenomenon unit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Late on July 3rd, 1947, radar stations in East Texas and White Sands proving ground new Mexico, tracked two unidentified aircraft until both dropped off radar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two crash sites have been located close to ESPG site LZ1.
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[SPEAKER_02]: was located at a ranch near Corona.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Approximately 75 miles northwest of the town of Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Site LZ2 was located approximately 20 miles southwest of the town of Sikoro, with Oskula Peak being the reference point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: personnel were mainly interested in ELZ-2.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This site actually contained the majority of structural detail to craft frame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It also had propulsion and navigation technology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The recovery of five bodies in a damaged escape cylinder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A special radiobiological team accompanied by SCD and security detail from sanding a base
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently, they purposely split the bodies up and sent them to different locations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The propulsion system were taken to Alamagordo in Kirkland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it seems everything they found that kind of split up and sent in different directions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as they were securing the area, and the bodies, something began to unfold very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ground personnel from Sendina experience some form of contamination, which kills three technicians.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The five bodies were studied and instated here that none of them survived, which is not where it was in the Roswell series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but eventually the one does die.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They described these beings which we know most of it, but they apparently had on tightly fitted suits that were fireproof because some of them actually had burns on them, but only on the exposed portions of their body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but something much darker was found, which could explain our Roswell episode far more than we kind of ever would have realized.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what if, you know, we remember talking about the
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[SPEAKER_02]: sections of the crash.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there were, there were so many of them, especially the kids I remember that it kind of fucked them up for life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what if it wasn't seeing the aliens that fucked them up for life?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What if they saw something else?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was reported that LZ-1 had bodies too, however, they weren't alien bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were, they make it sound like in this book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not only was it animal bodies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't say human, but what it does say is that some of these bodies were pinned open like they had been dissected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and I wouldn't be surprised based on the information we had from the kids being fucked up wouldn't be surprised if there was some human bodies in there too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've ran first one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're doing experiments on animals, they're doing experiments on humans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because what's the first thing a human's going to do when it gets an alien body?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing experiments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No questions ask.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It also like makes you wonder how much of...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it almost ties everything together as far as Roswell goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because, uh, hey, it makes you wonder where there are any civilian casualties, because like they said, everybody was out there looking for stuff, wandering around and shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if, if there are these diseases that are putting people down, make sure wonder how many of the public,
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[SPEAKER_01]: also died mysteriously that was swept under the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it also makes you wonder if this is why the response was so fast and so quick that they knew like something bad was going on out there
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like once those technicians died, they're like holy shit.
45:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We got it.
45:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get this thing.
45:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, taking care of it.
45:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of, I mean, that's kind of the angle.
45:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Wood was kind of looking at like this might be something way more serious than just an alien like a crash.
45:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Because think about that first Roswell episode,
45:55
[SPEAKER_01]: There were people out there riding their horses right down and checking shit out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it makes you wonder what what what the transmission point of the diseases handle and now that could also be a scary threatening tactic too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know them like people seeing this and then the military being like you fucking idiots yeah I do really like you could have caught something from this and it would wipe out the entire planet blah blah blah blah blah things like that word way heavy on people yeah that's wild yeah and what's even crazier though
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[SPEAKER_02]: is you get past all that and I realize it's some people listening might be like what the flag you know alien bodies dissected bodies the entertainment the IPU interplanetary phenomenon unit love it this can't be real well check this out so
47:04
[SPEAKER_02]: In 1980, a flea request was filled, and it was on the IPU, a Colonel William B.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guild Director of Counter Intelligence Department of the Army wrote.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Please be advised that the IPU of the science and technology branch was disestablished during the late 10 1950s and never reactivated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All records were then surrendered to the U.S. Air Force of Special Investigations in conjunction with Operation Blue Book.
47:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So right here, on a full year request, he's 100% admitting the existence of the IPU.
47:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Then later on in 1984 Williams Steinmen contacted the army looking for those files on the IPU because you can't find them in the Air Force archives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Colonel Lance are Conan wrote back to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As you know in your letter, the so-called IPU was disestablished and as far as we are aware all records, if any were transferred to the Air Force in the late 1950s, the unit was formed as an in-house project purely as an interest item for the assistant chief of staff of four intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was never unit in the military sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: have had any formal records at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is only through institutional memory that any recollection exists of this unit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are therefore unable to answer your questions as the exact purpose of this unit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly when it was did this establish or who was in command?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This last would not apply in any case as no one was in command.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have no records or documentation of any kind on this unit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also funded because the Army actually has a FY privacy act standard operating procedure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: document for people now asking about the IPU.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It basically just continues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It gives a run around and shuts all questions down repeating that it was shut down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have any files.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You, you know, we can't answer any for other questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They even have extended an extended one if people keep asking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in regards to the IPU, because some people will send it in a request, they'll get denied, and then they'll send it in another one, and another one, trying to get a different answer from a different person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to send one in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they have ones ready to go for those people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But on the July 22nd, 1947, IPU summary document, a note was typed on it, September 4th,
50:03
[SPEAKER_02]: By Lieutenant General John Hay, Samford, director of the National Security Agency.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The IPU has been reclassified as intelligence material affecting the National Security and has been upgraded as above top secret with the need to know basis, only those authorized persons with magic access may have access.
50:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But there is a detail that needs to be pointed out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The man that was leaked in all these documents to Tim Cooper, he admitted that some of those documents were altered for Cooper's safety.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were to protect him from criminal prosecution.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he said, I assure you that the names, dates, and places are all valid.
50:58
[SPEAKER_02]: to close this episode down, we get into something we've heard our friend from the confessional's Tony Merkel comment on several times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So in regards to the bodies that were found at Roswell, it was said that one of the bodies were well-preserved and it had gone undergone and autopsy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, apparently it was done by major Charles E. Ray.
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[SPEAKER_02]: some of his background medical degree with distinction from university in Minnesota earned a pathology degree.
51:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Also was on a surgical staff as well.
51:47
[SPEAKER_02]: But this brings us back because you have Oak Ridge, which is what Tony has mentioned several times on his show.
51:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Here they have the K25 plant that's separated uranium 235 from uranium 238.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have the worker city called Oak Ridge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have the Y12 plant where electromagnetic methods were used to separate uranium 235.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you have X10, which was called Clinton Laboratories until 1948, when it became Oak Ridge National Laboratories.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It operated in secrecy during wartimes, now it is a center for energy, environmental and basic scientific research and technology development.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They study things like nuclear chemistry and physics to things like global warming, energy conservation, high temperature, superconductivity and new materials.
52:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It also had a hand in splitting the atom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Raeha may have been pulled down to Oak Ridge to complete the autopsy on the alien body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The correspondence was uncovered and it is as follows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 1964, their special hazards in each of the operations conducted at Oak Ridge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which cause or may cause in the body of the patient a certain series of changes, which are not commonly understood by physicians.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some changes may be produced, also which are unknown at present.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Physicians specially trained in these matters, and with specially assigned responsibility for safeguarding personnel from these hazards,
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[SPEAKER_02]: have been appointed to the dispensary facilities of the operating companies of each area.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then goes on to saying, when people have been exposed to some special hazard and it's needed to hospitalize someone, you do it as normal and you take them to Oak Ridge Hospital to do so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But those people from the secret operation,
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[SPEAKER_02]: will almost act as in-between and the monitor of the patients.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Furthermore, they will also try to participate in as much of the treatments as they can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When the patient is discharged, it seems like any day, they can get about it, it must be sent over to their higher-ups immediately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the first bit of this book.
54:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really excited for the next episode because it gets more into UFO crashes, so it's so forth.
54:28
[SPEAKER_02]: But this Oak Ridge incident is kind of alluding to the idea that they're probably working on extraterrestrial bodies.
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And while doing so, people have come down with something
54:48
[SPEAKER_02]: where they're monitored, but under normal circumstances all the while, like, you know, Steve is my, my coworker at Oak Ridge.
55:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's monitoring me.
55:05
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of trying to involve himself and everything that he can to get as much effort like oh if they cure Kyle we need to know how they did it and we need to report that out the chain or if they failed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need to tell him hey this method is no no go we can't use this method you know Kyle and LeBdein so that's not good.
55:26
[SPEAKER_01]: All right Pete.
55:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but it is, it's crazy, the amount of information, like the, it's crazy to think that Oppenheimer was a part of it, Einstein was a part of it, which makes sense because they were, you know, they're legendary.
55:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Big brains.
55:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, big brains.
55:46
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy that Roswell was one of the kickoffs.
55:51
[SPEAKER_02]: to decide like their response, which would get kind of more into the second episode, their response is just so crazy.
56:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Because by by these accounts, the alien virus idea was one of the first ideas when they recovered bodies and seems like.
56:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if the Cape Gerardo crash is the one
56:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
56:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the first thing that popped up was Cape Jordan, crash 1941.
56:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So they would have gotten, so they got, they got a craft from that.
56:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, because they did say the craft from, that was recovered from Missouri.
56:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Southern Missouri, 41.
56:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that.
56:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew it was before Roswell, but Abrams was sure how far before Roswell it was.
56:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there's one, like I said, it was like, I don't know.
56:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say four to six years after Roswell, that was another big UFO crash.
56:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And the book has, dude, it's got so many fucking people that come forward talking about the crash.
57:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so awesome.
57:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just so fucking wild.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So fucking wild because it like, and it's one that rarely ever gets talked about that almost gets swept under the rug.
57:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And it, I don't know, it's fucking bananas dude.
57:23
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a guy in the next chapter who makes an argument for fucking polio.
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[SPEAKER_02]: are the next next episode like he starts cross reference in UFO sightings to polio cases and shit.
57:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
57:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
57:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
57:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also interesting that they bring up like fighting the bodies, split open and almost looking like science experiments and
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's one of the crash sites.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which you didn't hear about in like the OG, Roswell research, which makes you wonder if that was suppressed, pushed out of the way, like completely scrubbed of the narrative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could have been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to start filing for yours just for just because, like for no other reason, just to see how the government responds to the, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's a fucking wildbook, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I was on the interplanetary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're funny on that, aren't you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool, name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's sick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then the start of the next episode, I'm kind of excited about, because we kind of travel back to the comment in this episode about how Tim Cooper was getting
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[SPEAKER_02]: those all that information mailed him in the guys the guy tells him he's like hey I changed some of the information in these in these files but I assure you the name states and shit or oh it's all real it's all real
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's crazy because it's like, it's this game of smoke and mirrors that these intelligence guys play, but they play it for very specific reasons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that those reasons are, to me, they're extremely interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They explain a lot of this muddy water syndrome that we have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that if people really sit down and think about it,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the takeaway is far more interesting than the negativity because a lot of people would be like, okay, well, who's to say that these documents that were sent to Cooper weren't just bullshit, this information, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you, the way that it gets explained in the process of it, for me, it kind of like, oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's a part specifically where I'm kind of just talking about real quick, real light, spoiler, yeah, but you know the guys, the guy sends him something and he starts looking into it and he's like, he's like, this is bullshit, this is fake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cooper says that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's like, this is fake.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got like, I know enough about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he calls him on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, hey, this is bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they go, all right, you pass our test.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, here you go, so they start, they start feeding them shit, but they openly admit, they openly admit, listen, some of this shit is not fucking real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's up to you because they, they tell him they're like, listen, there's enough more than enough public information to verify all the information we're giving you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but it's up to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the explanations they do this is to not only keep you safe, but to keep me safe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because technically at that point, if they're giving you this compiled, this top secret information, it's not actually top secret because it's not the real fucking story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's enough pieces of the puzzle you have to figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but it's not that actual top secret document.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So therefore, you can't get in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I technically can't get in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, shit, that fucking makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, putting, it's like, multiple choice, putting the right answer in with 20 different wrong answers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you gotta be the one to know what you're looking for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't, the whole thing is just the smoke and mirror, like it's fucking very cloak and dagger, it's very cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also hate it because just like just, just, I think 20, 25, 20, 26 disclosure has really just left a bad taste of my mouth?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just tell me to the right shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also understand from their perspective how they have to cover their base as to make sure the right people are getting the right information and if they want you to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a spokesman for them, so to speak, they don't want you in prison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I also loved it like you have double top secret, ultra top secret, and then you have magic specific clearance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's sick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need magic specific clearance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I, how, how do I got it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sign us up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Orlando magic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because when you said that when you're talking about magic clearance, because you've you've referenced a bunch of different like top secret clearances and then you imagine clearance and I'm like, oh, that's that's the one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fuck all that top secret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Top secret ultra double top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, I want magic clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As wild as they use that terminology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're in the next episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's documents that are like at the bottom of the page.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, this is to be kept under locking key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, burn this after you read it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Nick Redford even, he's like, I've read countless documents on this shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've never once read that this needs to be kept under locking key at all times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make sure what they're having for me to get out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, somebody could not follow instructions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think the British government declassified it is what happened Firemember correctly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: British government beans on toast Fuck these UFOs I'm excited for the next episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's cool man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which means Holocaust you have to turn it tune in next week
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[SPEAKER_01]: to get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, come back here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Same hollow time, same hollow channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll dive into part two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm that note, thank you for hanging out with us, choosing us to hang out with you to get you through this Monday, check us out at all our socials.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Share this episode whenever it drops, share all the episodes forever and always.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And till we meet again, say safe, stay weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you stumble upon an alien UFO crash, just be careful because they're probably biological threats that you aren't even thinking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think about it when I stumbled on a UFO crack now look at me