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Phil Eagle | The Christian Reeve Podcast #214 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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podcast. Today's guest is mr.
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Phil ego of the Mondo Street, Social Club podcast, he is an
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amazing amazing guest, I've just appeared on his show and I'll be
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dropping as well as a recording. This will be dropping within the
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next week I believe or sometime thereabouts and then this show
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will drop at the end of May. So there you go.
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Welcome to the show Phil. How you doing?
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Thanks for asking. And I'm really good.
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Thank share your Your episode. I'm on the street comes out on
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Monday. I'll make something first of
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May, so it's it'll have been out for three or four weeks by the
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time this comes out and you'll be able to sit back and go.
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That wasn't too bad. That it's a nice book end as
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well because it's like we had a really good conversation and to
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give all of our viewers and listeners a bit of thought I was
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gonna say feedback that's not the right word, some background
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to this particular episode. So today's guest today, I was
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supposed to have a completely different For guests, and I sat
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down and prepared and planned and everything.
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And then another just no-show and that's three in a row that
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I've had one, no-show two, cancellations with no
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follow-ups. Bit weird.
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I've been doing this now for clothes for close to three
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years, and it does happen. And I know that and we'll get on
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to your podcast in a sec. I know you have, basically, Phil
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has just started podcasting. Which is really, really exciting
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and his show, which will discuss a little bit later.
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Lots of lots of interesting exciting stuff going on there.
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But when I appeared on his show, we spoke a little bit about how
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there are certain things that you come to expect throughout
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podcasting. And this is one of them.
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Unfortunately, I think in three years I've had somewhere in the
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region of 15 to 20 no-shows, / cancellations, various different
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reasons. But there's been a lot of just
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no one ever getting in touch with you.
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Yeah, I just open it. Well, yeah, but I found that
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really weird, especially when people like, reach out to you
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and they want to be on your show and so you, you know, you go.
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Okay, great, put it together. And then they don't show up it's
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a strange way of of life. But it's more than probably
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maybe something to link to you know the attitude to all social
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media and social interaction nowadays.
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I don't know, I was saying this to a friend the other day that
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like I find that quite disrespectful and
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unprofessional. Yeah.
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If you've entered into a discourse with someone and there
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hasn't been like an immediate reason But I'll say this, like,
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I've had instances where I've dealt with someone
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unprofessional, and then because of that, I'm like, you know
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what, I'm not going to bother responding to this.
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Like, I think it's pretty clear where we stand on this, right?
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But those are like extreme scenarios when someone's like
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the situation is really bad or something else is really bad and
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you're like, yeah, screw this, but if it's just like, you
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change your mind. Like, listen, I'm a reasonable
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guy. If you change your mind and you
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don't want to be on the show. No worries.
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Just let me know, tell me like, that's the thing.
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Cause like it's I don't know. I value time.
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I think our time is valuable in this earth and whatever we do.
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Like, I know, listen, I realized to some people looking in, they
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might look at my show and be like, it's just a bit of fun.
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Like it's not anything serious. Why should I care?
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It's like, well, I care. I've been doing this nearly
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three years now and it weirdly pisses me off more now than it
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ever has because it's like I'd like I do really sit down and
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put a lot of hard work and then put into They Don't Really Care.
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About this. I want it to succeed.
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I want the people listening to enjoy it and get something out
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of it. And, you know, that there's been
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times, I've not often said this, but, like, there's been times
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when I've recorded say a podcast or maybe some content patreon, I
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stand there for an hour and spoke and it sucked and so I
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decided not to release it and I did it again.
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Yeah. You know, I will put that level
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of dedication and effort in and listen, I'm not asking for like
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a pat on the back or hey, Jerome.
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Hooray for me like you know, for doing the work right?
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But like I guess a simple email, hey sorry.
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I've changed my mind or hey sorry I couldn't make it or you
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know, like two of the ones recently one of them.
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Sorry, this is a bit of a rant and we wrote we will talk about
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this about this. Total don't worry, don't worry.
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I just need to get this off my chest for a great because Bill
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was doing this, a massive solid today by Saving this show
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because this this show again, I was supposed to have today.
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We have questions sent in, from from, from followers such as
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Vilma and massive thank you to huge supporter of the podcast.
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She'll be disappointed about it. As much as I will about.
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You know, the cancellations and stuff like that.
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I mean, you know, maybe this person will get back to us.
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I don't know. But generally what I found with
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podcasting is that if someone doesn't bother getting back to
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you within the first day or so, of them supposed to appear on
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your show then, They're not going to.
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Yeah, and also I've had other things where I've had like
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cancellations recently and in the past where someone has said
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like oh I'll get back to you I'll reschedule never do so yeah
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it kind of pisses me off. It's understandable.
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Particularly if there's a time difference involved as well.
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Yeah but I've got guests coming up where.
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Well there's a lot in the states are like, you know, Eastern
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Standard Time which is 56 hours behind us.
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So I'm starting podcasting with them at like 10:30 at night and
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and you don't want to know show her that time.
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Yeah, I know exactly where you're coming from.
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A lot, a lot of my guests to American.
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So the same thing. Weird timings.
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Yeah. And I don't know about you, but
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I get the same thing where like your book out amount of time you
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blow up, right? This is what I'm going to do.
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And you maybe you put off other things or, you know, like I've
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hey, you guys that if anyone's ever in doubt that, I don't take
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this podcast, seriously, I I turned down paid work.
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Sometimes because of this show and because I want to actually
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dedicate my time and effort into this and I want to deliver
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something that's yeah I'm proud of this show.
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I really am. It's taking strides.
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I think I've become a better conversation is throughout the
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course of it, we've gotten better over time and I feel like
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exciting times are coming and there's a level of dedication
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and passion in what I do now because I've set the goal of 10
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years for the show with three years in, so we'll see.
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We were in seven years time, but, you know, there's that goal
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and yeah, I just, I don't understand people's mentality.
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Like, I mean, for instance, I remember one time, I agreed to
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go and someone show and then I got back to them.
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I changed my mind and I said, Hey, listen, I don't want to
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appear on the show anymore because I've had to think about
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this and I didn't feel comfortable with the subject
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matter and That person was really cool about it.
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They drop me an email and said, hey, you know, worries, thanks
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for letting me know because that's what you should do.
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That's what is this? Just like he's polite, be polite
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be respectful. All right, okay.
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It's time to watch and I see, you know, that's warm blanket
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and that you have a sit down for him.
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Let's do what we came here to do.
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I just needed to get that - yes good month or so massive.
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Thank you for saving us here all day.
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I'm we had a great chat. Everybody, make sure you go and
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check out Phil's podcast, the Mundo Street Social Club.
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But before we get into that, and going to prolong this even
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further, I want to know more about you, because as I said,
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off camera is quite difficult to find information about you.
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And bear in mind, I did only have like, 30 minutes to get
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ready, but I still did look at look and as I can't, I can't
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find anything. So I feel like maybe Be this is
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by Design, maybe not. But I want to kind of know the
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man behind the show. Like why did you choose to do to
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create this podcast white or what do you do outside of the
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podcast? Tell us more about.
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You feels. Okay.
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So outside of the podcast, father, husband stepfather,
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musician, wannabe comedian, and now podcaster, I'm going to say
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wannabe comedian. Myself laughs and everybody else
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grown. So it's, it's kind of like the
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beta but, you know, I'm quick with a response but whether
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that's funny is debatable. What you can see here, you know,
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David dad joke, the favorite dad joke, I put me on the spot now,
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I haven't want to come to me in a minute and I'll I'll interrupt
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what I'm doing analysis. I come back, I'll Circle back to
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it. I'm a project manager by trade,
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although I have worked in different.
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Fields both public and private sector and the idea behind the
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podcast came from just reminiscing.
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One day when my friends are in high school which is granted a
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long time ago, you know high scores and black and white back.
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In those days we used to go to a social club.
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Now you know maybe people in the 21st century might go or social
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club or not sure about that but it was aimed 14 15 year-olds
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where it was a safe place for them to congregate and there's a
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little tuck sharp and in Music playing Noah and it was a really
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really safe place for us to be ourselves and that included in
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the fact that me and four friends were in a band together.
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So we could, you know, we could practice their, we could talk
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about music or the latest records or whatever you're
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doing. And I was just reminiscing about
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that the other day because it seems to be to me that the
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smaller the world got, you know, and the talking digitally social
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media texting all that the smaller the world get actually
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sometimes for Further, we get away with with personal
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relationships and it just came back to me, that, that social
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club idea. And, you know, it being a being
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a creative type since an early age, it got me thinking about
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all where do creative people go. And, you know, the podcast isn't
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meant to be a conference Hall, you know, we're not going to
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have 30 Voices All shouting at once, but it's meant to be a
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library of different artists and I got across all Plans.
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You know, it's not just musicians or podcasters, it's
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across all disciplines and it's about how they want.
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Their creative process is how they deal with the highs and
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lows, and how they deal with when there is no creativity left
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in their system, that there is something which is blocking
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them. And then over time, it's going
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to become a reference point for people to just dip in.
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So, I like female singer-songwriters, I'll go down
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the episode list and there's a female singer songwriter.
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Let's listen to their experiences.
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Answers. So I did that, I did an episode
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the other day, with a singer called Carol Hajj, who is
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phenomenal. So so talented and and she was
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really generous with their time and and took a lot of effort to
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explain how processes and that was insightful for me.
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And I think it will be inside for other people and that was
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the whole idea that you know with a little bit of humor
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thrown in you know it's I don't heavily edit the show, you know,
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if there's a bit of a But also many gets the words mixed up,
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that's just the humanity of it. So yeah, it's so far it's been,
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it's gone to plan and that was why I wanted to do it.
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So I wanted to create something where we could go and learn and
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share. I'm a massive believe and
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supporter of mental health. So, you know, it's the problem
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of creative types is that we tend to be the ones that suffer
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the most with mental health issues.
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That's not to take away on a track from anybody that has,
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there isn't a creative type and has mental health issues, but we
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tend to be because our brains are always reaching for the next
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thing. What happens is that, that
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mental health kicked in and it and eats away at that a little
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bit more, which are the an stops of creativity, which then puts
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you into that downward spiral to reference, Nine Inch Nails.
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So, so, yeah, that's what it's all about.
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It was just about trying to, to create a platform where we could
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talk and share. Um, I think so far from the
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interviews are done with your good self and some other people,
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it's painful. Really, really.
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It's been quite an eye-opening for me and I think the number of
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people that have come forward to get to be on the show already.
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I think that's, I think maybe a struck a nerve somewhere, so you
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never know, fingers crossed, you're very good on the mic.
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Have you ever done anything similar to this?
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I mean, obviously he said you want to be a comedian obviously
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music so there is experience there.
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But that not for my experience. I've got a I've got a smaller
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podcast when I say smaller of kill me for this, which I
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co-hosted a guy called there, Dan, one of my best friends,
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which is called one Grump or to the, the name has become a
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little bit too Niche and I think it's the, I think it's
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deflecting listeners, but basically it's a, it's a music
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and movie Phil show where we Grump.
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So if there's something that's annoyed is about a record, will
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talk about it or something. Just so you know, I'm in my 50s
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down in his 40s so we tend to be more on the grumpiest side of
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life but I think I've I think I'm just naturally confidence
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you know if I'm talking to you which in essence I am.
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I know we'll have listeners at some point but I'm talking to
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you. So it's a one-to-one and there's
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no point in being nervous talking to you.
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You know that it's how do I get my message across how do you get
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your message across? If if I sit here going?
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Yes, no. No, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, it will delete. The reason why I asked is that,
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obviously you come across very confident and it was kind of
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shocking to me when you approached me about going on
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your show because normally whenever I come and appear on
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someone showing it's their first time doing it like, you know it
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maybe they're a bit nervous or maybe like they're not they're
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still figuring out their structure whereas I come on your
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show it's very clear precise like I'm the first one in my
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head is like well why hasn't he done this way?
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Way earlier. I don't.
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Yeah. But but at the same time like
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with what you said that, I mean I think a lot of people find it
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quite tricky. I know many listeners of Mind
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especially like live streams and stuff have said that they have
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admired my ability to talk on camera and and do that.
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But it's something I had to work at.
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Like, you got you, go look at the early podcasts of mine or
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find videos of me when I first started playing around with my
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camera. Like Three or four years back
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and I didn't really know what I was doing like I was because you
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don't know who you're trying to be a night.
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I tried to figure out, okay, I'm going to be me and going to be
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my most authentic self and that's why I'm going to do and
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it's a risk, you know, because it's like you're being you and
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people might not like you totally totally and that and
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that is the that's the subjective element of being a
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Hostess in. It sure is the fact that some
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people get you some people don't get you and and quite, you know,
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It's I'm doing this. Yes, for myself because I want
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to learn and I want to meet new people but I'm hoping that it
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actually gives to somebody else as well.
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And the only way I can do is buy, you know, it's calms,
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Karma's on the outside but you can't see my feet doing that
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underneath the desk, you know, that that kind of element.
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It's you know it's not a persona but there's a level of
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confidence that maybe it comes with a few more years or maybe
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it just comes from the fact that I'm comfortable in this
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environment with you so it's it's not training God.
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No, I suppose in a way it's practice, isn't it?
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Yes, it's Community. Like I really do do this podcast
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a lot as far as like being a better conversationalist like
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being a better listener and also like knowing when and how to ask
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questions how to ask the right questions as well because that's
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tricky. I got first it was just like I
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need to just Ask something can become good conversation going?
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Where's now it's like you pick Point things.
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I got a tie, your approach. But, like my Approach is always,
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I've got certain topics, like, rain down, like normally
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obviously have time to do a research, and I've got like an
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idea of like, okay, this is where I'll go with it, whatever.
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But like you, I like the conversation element.
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Like I'm not, it doesn't have to be what's on this piece of
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paper. It can be like, okay, let's see
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where the way ends up and, and if the guest is talking about a
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certain thing, Thing or certain things that are passionate to
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them. You steer it in that direction,
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you know, you kind of you push into that you lean into that,
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speaking of things that you're passionate about one of the
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things that you mentioned was mental health.
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So I kind of like to know a little bit more about you know,
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your efforts as far as you know, trying to raise awareness about
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mental health and maybe some of your experiences that have sort
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of LED you to consider that, you know, really important and try
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to light spread awareness about that.
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Yeah. I think like everybody we are
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unfortunately touched by mental health issues.
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You know, everybody has a period in their life, where things get
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a little bit too much, and I've had it, lots of my friends, I've
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had it, I lost a really good friend be 20 21 years ago.
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Now, he was he was only young. He's only 23 24, sorry.
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Hey, you know, it's it was terrible at the time, but he
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left a legacy and that Legacy is a group of Friends who were
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still together? And well, I was playing with a
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band at a time and we did a benefit for mind and that was
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what really drew me towards that mental health, kind of, you
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know, Direction. So about five years ago, I've
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gone through a bit of a rough time.
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So I set up a private Facebook group and you know, on Facebook,
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everything is public, but you nicely set up these closed
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conversation rooms. So I set one up and just sent
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out to my personal friends, if anybody wants to come and chat
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about, excuse me about Mental Health, Then let me know and
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I'll invite you into the room and the response was insane.
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It was like bing bing, bing, bing bing bing bing bing bing
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bing bing, which I was like, whoa.
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And so I set up some some guidelines and said, you know,
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we're all friends, we all know each other but we've got to
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follow these rules because if we're going to start talking
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about these issues, we've got to be really really safe.
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And we've got to be really, really trusting with each other.
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So we did that and the conversation, some of them are
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incredibly Painful, you know, because one thing that this
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country hasn't got is a good enough Mental Health Care
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provision. I won't go into why not?
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And all the politics and all that.
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I think they even pick up any newspaper or watch any new
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channel for that. But the, but the reality is, is
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that the number of people that need support is not met by the
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number of people that can provide a service to support
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them. So, what I did in my little
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world was try and create a Support network of friends and
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we did, and we talked about some truly horrific things, you know,
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they were there are things that, you know, you, when you know,
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some of these, a friend in, you known her for years and they
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tell you that. Oh, by the way, this happened to
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me. Think.
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Wow, I never knew that. I never saw that blip in your
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personality was I not good? Enough friend wasn't?
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I was, I'm not looking hard enough, or did you mask it so
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well. And, and that really, it helped
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me immensely. And it helped a load of other
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people, and over the years, we've, we've not invited lots of
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people in, but we have invited some Outsiders Outsiders, people
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aren't friends at the moment, we've invited some n and we've
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helped them as well. And it's, it's never going to be
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a big thing, you know, to was at a big thing, but it's never
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going to be a, you know, a new branch of the NHS or a new
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organization. It's just something fairly
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localized. And I think that for me,
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everything that I I do now, now, it's made me far more aware of
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how when I'm interacting with somebody.
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The impact that I can have on them.
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You know, that, that cruel where it goes, hey, feather than a
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nice word. But, you know, not not taking
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into account how somebody else is days go in and just going
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all, you're having my bad day instead, you know?
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So yeah. Mental health for me, it's, it's
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something, you know, we talked when I started kind of hard to
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beat that, we talked about the fact that if you're a musician,
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sometimes or a creative type, actually, that whole creative
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process is soothing, NG and it can actually help with the way
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your brains over running or in the direction it's going.
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And for me as a musician that that's what I've used.
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You know, I've used my music, you know, I can go through my
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back catalog of songs that I've written and go, oh dear, that
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wasn't a good day. Oh my, what a jaunty pop song.
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We're having a good day. Was that a good day then and you
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can go through it and, you know, some of them are throwaways Let
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me keep some of them are very, very good.
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Some of my very, very bad, but it's, that whole creative
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process. And I thought that the next step
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then from doing that is podcasting, is having a voice,
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which goes further than the small group of friends in a
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closed Facebook, then my personal one-to-one
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interactions. And then getting a bit, why do
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you know it's never going to be a couch?
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We're not going to sit down and go, you know, tell me about your
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childhood, we're not going to do that.
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But you know, little little bit of advice little nuggets may be
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helpful to somebody and that might give them motivation or
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the strands to go on and do something else and you never
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know. We might get the next Paul
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McCartney of it, who knows? So crazy.
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How like even just saying hello. Sometimes to someone.
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Yeah, can be like The most. Impactful thing you could ever
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do without even realizing it. Totally don't know.
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Sometimes I think there's so much value in what you're doing
23:03
and you there I feel like it. It's awesome as well because
23:06
it's something that we can all replicate as well, you know.
23:09
I think it's you know. Yeah I am I am or I'm not
23:13
mindful about it now because it's become second nature for me
23:16
now. So if I'm if I'm going into a
23:18
supermarket or I'm going into a restaurant, something, I make a
23:22
personal comment, you know, I say thank you very much.
23:25
Thank you for your time. It's just little things, you
23:27
know, takes me what second and a half. but for up, for that whole
23:32
day, if that's the only interaction that person has,
23:35
which is a personal level, Shirley.
23:37
I'm Shirley, I'm having a positive impact on them, you
23:41
know, and it might be a little bit cliched, quite frankly.
23:43
I don't care. You know, if I can make somebody
23:45
smile or feel a bit lighter during the day, then that's on
23:49
me. That's a responsibility.
23:50
No, I totally agree, man. I'm Amber times when I worked in
23:54
customer services and someone came in and just said something
23:58
like, oh, hey, thanks for this or hey, you're doing a really
24:00
good job or something like that and it made it otherwise dark
24:04
time in my life for a dark day filled.
24:07
That much better. Yeah, you know, because I've not
24:10
often spoke about this, I mean, I've spoke about it a little bit
24:13
in live streams and stuff about going through because I'm pretty
24:17
transparent with things for the most.
24:19
But I keep a lot to myself too. But there are a lot of things
24:23
that I like to talk about, because I think it's important
24:25
to talk about these, you know, you don't often see people do
24:27
that in. So, but I remember like my, my
24:33
last job last year. There were a lot of times when
24:36
it was pretty tough. off, especially from like a mental
24:39
health perspective and you know, a lot of the time I come home
24:46
Sometimes, you know, be quite clear.
24:48
I'd been a tricky place, and, you know, people in my community
24:53
could see that other times as masking it, and I was using that
24:57
as a, I don't know, maybe a film with therapy like, you know, I
25:01
can kind of avoid my problems and just do this for fun.
25:05
And, um, but yeah, I remember those moments when it was
25:08
particularly bad and I just be standing there like, what am I
25:11
doing here? Why am I doing this?
25:13
Like what how did my life get to this point where this is?
25:16
What I'm doing. And then those people come in
25:21
even just with a little bit of like, five seconds of kindness
25:24
and that's enough to keep you going.
25:26
It is it is. So yeah it's it's what we it's
25:30
what we owe each other. Yeah.
25:33
You know, they the automatic - human mode where we walk around
25:40
head down looking at the pavement not interacting with
25:42
people. It's just so bored or in I just
25:46
get on with it. Give somebody a smile, you know
25:48
you must smile and a wave you know it's it cost you nothing
25:51
and it does make a difference. I will say though sometimes when
25:57
you're feeling low because I've had this before, but I felt low,
26:02
I took a risk and I said hi to someone and then they brought me
26:05
down even further and then I just say harm and I just
26:09
shouldn't have bothered. Like so I do feel for people
26:12
like it's hard to throw yourself out there and and be don't get
26:17
me wrong. Sometimes you can do it and it'd
26:19
be the best thing you ever do. Everything's a gamble.
26:21
Everything's a risk but I get it. it, I get people being like,
26:26
Afraid or nervous or you know like oh hey I don't want to be
26:30
shut down like because that's the thing.
26:32
Isn't it? Being shut down by other people?
26:34
Yeah. Or being made to feel like You
26:38
know, do should be a task for you know you trying to be goofy
26:42
and friendly but you know then it's just then the in your in
26:47
your mind about. Well that's the last time I ever
26:48
do that again. Yeah yeah I mean yeah the secret
26:52
with with mental health is to have multiple ways of tackling
26:58
the issue so they Hellogoodbye the the wave is when you having
27:03
a good day. To pass on a bit of the love but
27:07
it's not a fix all your. There is no one thing which is a
27:09
fixable it's multiple approaches which will help.
27:13
So just it just do the best you can every day that's that's it.
27:18
If it's one foot out of the bed that's a win, if it's two foot
27:21
out, that's a win. If it's a walk down the hallway,
27:24
that's a win. You know, we are very very
27:29
self-critical these days and you know I only got my feet out the
27:33
Bed at awful. I'm a loser.
27:35
All know if you did more than yesterday or you did at the best
27:39
you can that is enough. We just it's a be a little bit
27:44
kinder to ourselves. All right there, there you go.
27:48
As a reminder, why I do this show?
27:50
Because the quotes like that, yep, Umesh.
27:53
Hmm, you mentioned that you have been a musician for most of your
27:57
life so talk to me more about that as you get into music, what
28:01
kind of music you've already dropped some heavy bands so I
28:04
can ya Musa taste? Yeah, well that's something.
28:08
How did it start? I was I was a year too young for
28:15
Punk. So, when punk it In.
28:17
So if I 7677 I was me and my friends.
28:20
We were gay too young. So we saw the Latin year above
28:23
us all. Oh, look at them.
28:25
Oh wow. That's really good.
28:25
That and we were trying to ride that crest of a wave a little
28:28
bit. So by the time we were old
28:30
enough to to act independently that that pretty much gone.
28:35
But we had a legacy of bands and of Records which was really
28:39
truly inspired or so. So I'll first Venture into or my
28:42
first Venture into music was. I did a, I did a Tiny Town.
28:46
Tiny tiny, detour towards Kate Bush and George Benson when I
28:51
was about 13 14. Yeah.
28:56
But very, very swiftly did a u-turn and then went towards
29:00
their far more Punk, be punk music because that that matched
29:04
with my, how I was feeling about myself at the time.
29:07
Oh, cool. All right.
29:08
Yeah, so we started our first band, 1970 1970, Jesus, you're
29:15
going. I will do.
29:16
Long ago is that 79 78. 79, we started our first band and we
29:22
were honestly, I suppose we bloody awful, but it was the
29:30
ethos of the time. The time was making noise, be
29:33
yourselves, enjoy it. Don't care what people say and
29:36
that's exactly what we did. That went on for a couple years
29:40
and joined another one, never doing anything much more than
29:46
doing. That recording and demos and
29:47
stuff like that. I had to get a job.
29:50
I wanted to achieve other things and what we all wanted to get
29:54
jobs and we all wanted to achieve things.
29:56
So being abandoned became more of a hobby as opposed to an
29:59
occupation. So what I ended up doing was
30:02
over the years is recording in home setups and collaborate with
30:08
other musicians. So I've got two really good
30:11
friends down. And Tommy Dan is more towards
30:15
your you A Radiohead kind of music and and Tommy is more
30:19
towards your rock country rock kind of music.
30:23
So I sit family in the middle between those two.
30:26
So we actually collaborate quite a lot which is which is really
30:29
good, you know, because You know I'm never get.
30:33
Well I can't say never because I'm I'm doing this now and I
30:37
didn't think I'd be doing this a year ago.
30:39
Okay. But I doubt our Levick put a
30:42
collection you know Phil's Greatest Hits out or Phil's
30:47
favorite Tunes. I'd pay for it.
30:50
Dude, this is so nice. You really are.
30:54
But the thing is that it's all about.
30:57
For me it's about it's something which helps me.
31:00
I've got a Of mind, I need to put that energy somewhere,
31:03
right? And I put it into a rack of
31:06
guitars or keyboards and different sounds come out, you
31:09
know, Sometimes good sometimes, not so good.
31:13
Sometimes people send me stuff and say, can you add to this, to
31:16
make it better? Sometimes I send people stuff
31:19
and say, can you add to that to make that better?
31:21
So it's it's a really, really nice Network to be in, you know,
31:27
it's working or talking to work and we've created Minds all the
31:31
time. Time is very, very good for me.
31:35
A struggle interacting with people that aren't creative
31:38
sometimes. Mmm, so, yeah.
31:41
Yeah, it's yeah. It's I think there's always an
31:45
ability to stop like strike up some sort of conversation.
31:49
I know. Like generally in the UK for
31:51
example it's like always first crack a joke.
31:54
Yeah. That's really pretty good.
31:56
Like rule of thumb. Yeah, but there's a banter.
32:01
I don't know. That's something I love about
32:02
this country is like we're is always like banter like fun
32:06
dislike it with sarcastic. I love that last.
32:10
Yeah. Anyway, Different directions I
32:15
can go with this but I want to kind of keep it personal for a
32:17
second best and worst live performances of bands.
32:23
I've seen. No but oh well that's the number
32:26
we get up. Let's go.
32:27
You can your your personal experiences?
32:29
First of all, yes, it's your. I haven't actually done that
32:32
much live performing, so the best one would be.
32:38
There's a pub in Ashton underline.
32:41
I think it is just outside Manchester And I was in a bank
32:45
or tea with monkeys. Shout out to Neal Wardle worth
32:50
if he's listening, if he does. Hello Neil ring me and we played
32:55
the public. All I think was called the
32:56
Whitford. And it was, it was a
33:01
terrifyingly large crowd. When I say terrifyingly large,
33:06
it was more than probably 50 to 70 recent, but that was enough
33:11
to make me go. Oh, crap, it's kind of hide
33:13
somewhere, please. And I suppose that would be my
33:17
worst one as well because I didn't enjoy it because I was so
33:22
nervous. You didn't get like, an
33:24
adrenaline kicks or know I was having because I joined the band
33:29
because they didn't have keyboard player.
33:30
And I just joined guy like no for, for a giggle to help a mate
33:36
out, you know, and I'm not a keyboard player so I yeah.
33:43
So yeah, the keyboard behind me there, but I'm not keyboard
33:47
player. So Neil give me the songs and I
33:50
would spend 18 hours learning the Songs.
33:54
That's dedication right there. What is yucky?
33:56
Don't let her make down to you and you don't look like a donkey
33:59
when you turn up and go okay. One, two, three, four, that's
34:04
right. Song is it.
34:06
If in doubt, you can just say it's Jazz.
34:10
I don't think they would have taken that actually, right now.
34:12
I'm not at all. So yeah, it was so I take I take
34:15
the songs and come back and I had imposter syndrome because
34:18
these guys have been together for a couple of years and they
34:20
were they were tight. They were a good girl band.
34:24
And there was just me sitting behind ongoing, ding, ding,
34:28
ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding at the appropriate moment.
34:31
I had a real bad case of imposter syndrome, so, you know,
34:35
I think I am I place because I, you know, I was asked to join
34:38
the band, but I just all I could see from where I sat was down,
34:44
the drum used to sit behind me. What I could see in front of me
34:46
was that these two guys bass and guitar and lead vocals in front
34:50
of me, playing the socks off. And I'm a guitarist by Nature.
34:55
So I'm not a keyboard play and I would just go tinkle and then
34:59
go. Tinkle and alpha males like God.
35:06
And that's I was so nervous. It was it was a good gig.
35:08
Everyone really enjoyed it, but I just got too nervous
35:12
performed, got it done fine. No problem.
35:14
But I didn't enjoy it at all and that was the best and worst in
35:18
one night, which might be a bit of a cop-out, I'm not sure.
35:22
What advice would you give to people struggling with imposter
35:27
syndrome? I think they the strangest thing
35:31
with impostor syndrome is that it?
35:33
It warps reality. Completely.
35:37
Yeah. You know if you're a Marvel fan
35:40
it's like going into the Multiverse because your brain
35:43
just goes, Whoop, I'm going in all directions at once.
35:47
I think the thing to try and remember is that you're there
35:50
because you've either been invited to to be there, or
35:54
you've passed some kind of assessment, whether it be a job
35:59
interview or an audition or, but imagine having a job interview
36:03
for a band. Where do you see yourself in the
36:08
next five years? Yeah, bass guitar with, in
36:16
pasta, Cindy, you've got to remember that you're there for a
36:23
reason. You know, it's very, very rare
36:26
that you stumble across something, which is, you know,
36:31
whole seed. Like life-changing, you know,
36:34
being in a band or getting a new job can be life-changing and
36:39
you're there for a reason because you've been invited to
36:42
be there so you are good enough to be there.
36:45
That's what you've got to remember and there may be people
36:48
who are better at it than you but remember they've been doing
36:52
it for a longer so I guess it isn't what you're saying is like
36:55
it's important to kind of work on that inner dialogue,
36:59
Malaysia, pure yourself, you have to keep telling yourself
37:01
like hey I deserve to be here. I'm good enough to be here like
37:04
yeah and and that it can be the hardest thing in the world to
37:08
do, right? But it's like go back to what I
37:10
said before about being kinder to ourselves that if it weren't
37:12
for that, the bed is a win, two feet out, the bed is a win.
37:16
But getting there and Performing if it's music or getting there
37:19
and doing the job. If it's a job that'll win and
37:23
you will get better and that feeling of, I'm not sure if I'm
37:26
supposed to be here, will subside, but the more that you
37:30
focus on that the Lash, you'll be able to do the thing that
37:34
you're there for. And it's that.
37:37
It's that practice. Its practice, practice,
37:39
practice, practice, practice. It's I am supposed to be here.
37:43
And it gets better. So when I mentioned best and
37:48
worst live performances for, yeah, you were like, oh, what
37:51
bands have seen? Yeah.
37:53
There's stories there. Yeah, I think there are some
37:55
stories. I think the I think the worst
37:59
live band I've ever seen. Oh no it's actually worse.
38:03
Yeah so go back to 1980 was very very very famous.
38:08
Otherwise a very famous club in Liverpool called Eric's and
38:11
Eric's was alive. All of our mean, all the bands
38:16
played there. So it used to be next door to
38:18
where the cavern was where the Beatles got their stars or not.
38:21
Sorry, I shall correct that because some Beatle fan is going
38:24
to correct me on that. So I'm not know where they got
38:26
their start. It's where people most associate
38:29
them with performing. Yeah.
38:31
Yeah. Like I like the Hacienda and
38:33
with yeah, happiness is not. Yeah.
38:36
Okay. And we'd gone there to see a
38:39
band called spizz Energy. Who were?
38:42
Yeah. Her name sounds like a bad
38:44
energy during it does and the change the name that the day of
38:47
the gig. So we were all too well, that
38:52
was the that was the punk thing to do back then.
38:54
Yeah. Right.
38:54
I will just change your name. Like every five seconds.
38:57
Everybody had a stage name so they kept the course pairs.
39:02
So they changed the name from space energy, Athletico, Spears,
39:06
energy. I'll call you back in a bit.
39:09
There's a TRS-80. They change the name to Blue
39:13
team or something. Totally, totally, totally.
39:15
They had a really big hat. Where's Captain Kirk?
39:21
And if you have two bits, it's a silly throwaway Pop Punk song
39:26
with a silly stop-motion video. But we were going to see them.
39:32
So we got there. And there was a band on before
39:33
them, they will call the Frantic elevators, they've gotta
39:36
remember that. Yeah, that is it.
39:39
This is the time. Sex.
39:43
Pistols album is called, never mind the bollocks, you know,
39:45
you've got to get yourself in that mindset.
39:48
So, frantic elevator the elevator.
39:52
Yeah. Well, it gets better.
39:53
It gets better. I can't tell you the entire
39:55
story because the entire story incriminates me, something that
39:58
transpired later, which will go on the patreon at some point.
40:04
I'll come back into the page romance story, but effectively
40:07
the, the stage was raised about three feet up and you could
40:12
stand, right. Right up to the stage.
40:14
Wow, and his proper, its proper, you know, spit and sawdust Place
40:21
Rough Around the Edges. It was just about live music and
40:24
this band came out and they were keeping it safe for work, not
40:29
very good. Okay.
40:31
They truly went very good and the whole crowd had They come to
40:39
see a certain type of music, and this wasn't that type of music.
40:43
You know, people nowadays act nowadays are very careful who
40:46
they lack the support because the support needs to be kind of
40:51
similar, but not similar enough to take the shine away from the
40:54
main act, back then know, anything happened.
40:57
So this band came out and they were excuse me, but they were
40:59
crap, okay? And it was only, it was a few
41:04
years later, so that's my worst live performance.
41:08
And a few years later, I was talking to Tommy about them and
41:10
he said, oh, they've split up now and I said, bollocks palp
41:14
hoodie time because they were crap.
41:15
Oh, the singers, in a new band, I said, oh, you better tell me
41:19
you is so I don't go and see them.
41:21
I said, let's simply read. Yep.
41:27
So Mick Hucknall before he was in here.
41:29
Ed was in a band called the Frantic elevators and simply
41:34
read on and not my cup of tea. When it comes to music at all,
41:38
So, he's done quite well. He's been in two bands and
41:40
failed miserably in my book in both or has better not.
41:51
Yeah. Yeah.
41:51
It's kind of subjective agree or disagree with me, I don't mind
41:56
coming from a poker perspective, us.
41:58
Yeah, I get it. It's okay.
42:00
So so that puts into perspective, then.
42:02
So you went there to see, punk, rock or rock band, the very
42:06
least and then what came on stage.
42:08
Age was will because I understand early in mixed
42:10
career. He was experimenting with a lot
42:14
of Reggae stuff sold stuff. Oh yeah, so that was exactly
42:19
what it was but mixed trying to mix it into like a punk Vibe as
42:23
well. So lots of heavy drums and a
42:25
little bit too fast. It didn't work.
42:28
I think that's the only thing I can say about it.
42:30
It just didn't work from a best band of scene.
42:38
Not to be the Manic Street Preachers in 2000.
42:43
And 19 at the theater. Clued in line, Gotham in Wales.
42:48
Brilliant. Absolutely.
42:49
Blew me away or Public Image Limited in meeting last year.
42:58
So interesting, so he's performing again with that band.
43:02
That's interested. Oh yeah, they've almost never
43:05
stopped. They've become like a studio
43:07
band. I had a few years off but yeah,
43:10
I was lucky enough to go and see them in Nottingham last year
43:13
with my make jet who I've known since I was five.
43:18
So we've known each other for about two hundred and seventy
43:20
years and it's been a lifelong ambition for both of us to go
43:24
and see. Public Image because it's John
43:27
Lydon because using the Sex Pistols, it was where it all
43:29
started for us and it was a hell of a gag, absolutely genius that
43:34
the atmosphere, the vibe, the whole thing was just ramping
43:38
everyone up. It was so good, that two days
43:40
later of tested positive for covid also.
43:44
Yeah, yeah. So I'd gone for two years and
43:49
not being touched by the dreaded jam and then went to see abandon
43:52
got Hill, but it was worth it. I got to ask since you know, he
43:58
came from the real punk rock days.
44:00
You were there, you saw it all. What do you make of John Lydon
44:07
doing a butter commercial? It's funny.
44:11
I had, we went to see in jab, again, we went to see John
44:16
widens one-man show so that was in 2021 and it was in this tiny
44:23
and I mean, Tiny Village Hall, I thought it was some kind of wind
44:27
up, but it was this it was a one-man tall where he would you
44:31
take some questions. But he had a set of pre pre Med
44:35
questions and a guy on stage asking them.
44:37
So I can like an MC accompany her.
44:39
And he was asked about the butter advert.
44:41
Yeah. And he said, you know, I got
44:44
paid a lot of money. It's set up.
44:48
Yeah, to some degree. Yeah but I mean because it is
44:51
thing I don't normally care about the whole sellout thing
44:54
because hey get your money like, go for it right from a business
44:59
perspective. Absolutely.
45:00
However, here's the thing about John Lydon and this is something
45:04
I wanted to talk to you about as well, but the goes above that.
45:10
So not many people will know. I actually did some real digging
45:13
years ago into like what Punk. Actually is not what Punk was
45:19
sold to us as but one Punk actually was and correct me if
45:22
I'm wrong. But again, this is what I read
45:24
Punk originally was about DIY record.
45:29
Making. Yeah.
45:30
So instead of getting your record made a major Studio or
45:34
whatever it was people doing it like sort of from home or from a
45:39
really shitty like, you know, home kind of studio type thing
45:43
and doing it themselves DIY. Yeah.
45:46
And that was what punk rock was in the very beginning.
45:51
Then the label is kind of got involved and got behind bands
45:55
like the Sex Pistols. Now, there's an important caveat
45:58
to this. Not all punk, rock bands, were
46:00
massively supported by labels. There were many examples,
46:05
especially in the states, interestingly, with punk rock
46:09
that I find interesting is that normally one country leads the
46:13
charge and the other country is inspired by, you know what I
46:16
mean? So, For example, new wave of
46:18
British heavy metal inspired. A lot of the early American
46:20
thrash metal. And, you know, you get that like
46:23
back and forth, but with punk rock, it was kind of like two
46:27
different movements happening at the same time that had
46:29
crossovers but were ultimately different.
46:31
Yeah, so like the Ramones and the states would be a good
46:34
example of a American punk, rock band or like, I don't know
46:38
either Misfits or something like that and then in the UK, you've
46:42
got a lot of different examples, like the Buzzcocks and stuff
46:46
like that. That.
46:46
So it's a different Vibes but the problem with the Sex Pistols
46:51
is that don't get me wrong. They were punk rock, but And
46:59
this brings it back to John Lydon as well.
47:01
So, John Lydon was always like that big kind of in-your-face
47:05
spokesperson for it and the whole band did embody that and
47:08
now they were very Punk and they were badass.
47:11
But if you do enough digging you discover, and this is all stuff
47:15
that, people know, this isn't a revelation but the clothes that
47:19
they were wearing famously, Vivian Westford, clothing
47:24
designer clothing at a time in the UK, when Everyone was poor
47:30
on the doll, whatever. Not with what?
47:33
Late 70s early 80s. It's like not a great time in
47:36
the UK. Mid to late 70s.
47:38
Yeah. Right.
47:38
Yeah. A lot of people on the dollar
47:40
people out of work so people didn't have money to buy like
47:45
designer stuff that you you'd be.
47:48
I imagine that that probably largely fed a lot of the punk
47:52
movement, if anything, because it was, you know, you're wearing
47:54
clothes that stitch together that a line, you know, hand me
47:57
downs or like broken clothing you Sit together because you
48:00
don't have the money, you just, you know, you do what you can.
48:03
Yeah, so yeah, part of it is just more, just kind of doing
48:08
what you can versus actually trying to be a style icon or
48:11
whatever. So that's one aspect to it and
48:18
band when some designer label start look sometimes you have
48:21
friends in places and why not why not take advantage of that
48:26
you know if it's being offered to you cool, right.
48:29
Right. But I think the thing that
48:30
always worked me with, like, John Lydon was that it always
48:33
kind of seem like a competition to be as punk rock as possible.
48:38
Like, oh, I'm more punk rock than everyone.
48:40
I, you know, kind of walking around with this attitude all
48:42
the time and there's a lot. I like about him from a
48:46
musician, standpoint from his ethos, a lot of different
48:50
things. Him speaking up on certain
48:53
topics, I really rate that respect that.
48:58
But at the same time, when it comes specifically to that punk
49:01
rock, and these things, it just irks me.
49:04
And that, that butter commercial bring a little for the circle
49:08
was like the I was like such a kick in the balls.
49:12
It's like, come on man. John Lydon of all people whose
49:16
the what he preached for so long and accused other people being
49:18
sellouts and then he did it and it's just like, dude why you
49:23
don't need the money. Like I mean he did actually need
49:26
the money at that point though, right?
49:29
Yeah, it as he just lost the court case, Okay?
49:32
Malcolm McLaren them, then the other members of The Sex Pistols
49:35
roof. Would you know what that was
49:37
over by any chance, it's like There's all these royalties.
49:40
Yeah. Believe.
49:41
So because Malcolm McLaren and I think there's just proven in
49:44
court, so you can't see me for it and he's dead.
49:48
Everything is alleged, they go, that's it.
49:50
Yeah, in like that. I think he'd, you know, Miss
49:54
manage their, their royalty checks and stuff, but I think
49:57
one thing just to point out about like none, the function of
50:00
the you go back to that the pistols were boy band, they were
50:07
there is this will not be a popular opinion.
50:09
That like, it is Phil said, like it, they were manufactured.
50:12
Okay, so that so they weren't like let's talk about a clash of
50:15
the Damned to very, very big bands at the same period.
50:19
They were a band that organically come together,
50:22
right? So yeah, when you say
50:23
manufactured like the they were introduced to each other.
50:29
It's worse than that. It's much worse than that.
50:32
It's it's the whole idea of the pistols was a band to promote
50:38
the Vivienne Westwood range of clothes from the shot that stops
50:42
called sex and was just on the corner Barnaby, Street and
50:44
London. And they wanted people or to
50:48
promote the clothes and Malcolm McLaren said, well, what better
50:50
way to promote something with the band?
50:52
Let's put a band together and he knew Steve Jones, who was the
50:55
guitarist, The Sex Pistols? Well, at that point, Steve
50:58
couldn't play the guitar. So there's that there's lots of
51:02
stories about was it Chrissie? Hynde out of the pretenders, you
51:05
taught Steve Jones how to play the guitar etc, etc.
51:08
But they were for people that didn't, I think, Steve Jobs knew
51:12
Paul Cook. Who was a drummer?
51:14
These were people that didn't know each other and the only
51:18
real musicians and the sex pistols with the bass player,
51:20
Glen Matlock. Hmm who was sacked when Sid
51:24
Vicious came around because Sid Vicious looked more punk.
51:28
I think I think the thing about John Lydon and this Competition
51:31
to be more Punk all of the time. I think the thing that a lot of
51:35
people don't know is that if you look back to the mid to late
51:39
70s, the shock value of the Sex Pistols have never been seen.
51:44
So this person and this is where I kind of tend to because here's
51:48
the reality as with everything we've just laid out right there,
51:52
you cannot deny the power and influence of the Sex Pistols.
51:56
I mean when you think punk rock that's the first thing you think
51:59
of totally yeah. And I think it was it was a
52:02
whole pump movements but people people were not used to that.
52:05
People are not used to seeing things which confronted their or
52:10
question, what they felt was the norm you know, some kids
52:13
teenagers could be unruly, but they were going to be either a
52:16
mod or a rocker. They weren't going to look like
52:18
something had been dragged up, hell screaming, and I think I
52:21
was one of the things and Lydon because he was so vocal and
52:26
don't forget, he's not the biggest guy in the world, he
52:27
never was. He became a target for The
52:30
Press, he was, I think it was slashed across the face at one
52:34
point and mugged, that there's a load of things, which then your
52:37
personality, then says, well the thing I got to do is be bigger
52:40
and bigger and bigger to try and defend myself.
52:43
And I think that might have been the that Loop the feedback link.
52:47
They got himself caught in but we're sitting and he's a thing
52:50
as about him as well because if you compare him to someone like
52:54
say Vanilla Ice now, this bear with me on this comparison you
52:58
know, wrong going. Yeah.
52:59
Like He was a guy who like no one would have cared if he'd
53:03
just been honest and said, Hey, listen, yeah, I'm a rich guy
53:05
that, you know, came from this background but I do rap
53:08
everyone. We've been like, all right.
53:10
Fine, but he lied made up of backstory and then people didn't
53:13
like it. Yeah.
53:15
Now admittedly, that could have been introduced to him, a lot of
53:17
record, labels do that, and give you a false narrative, whatever.
53:23
I feel like with with John Lydon is interesting because although
53:27
we know that the mass defect Sex Pistols were manufactured and we
53:30
know the story behind it, you still feel like you're yeah, but
53:33
he was still Punk, like he was still very in-your-face and
53:37
didn't care and challenge the right people.
53:39
He came across very intelligent and classy and interviews.
53:46
Yeah. Even when he was kind of
53:48
throwing it in there in their faces and stuff, a lot of these
53:52
people interviewing him at the time of massive Hypocrites.
53:55
Oh and he did he'd expose that and he said, you know he said he
53:58
said crazy styrene famously, he exposed all that stuff about
54:04
Jimmy Savile and whatnot in the 70s and was banned from BBC
54:07
Radio 4's doing it at the time which was if you think about how
54:11
powerful Apple was back, then that could have been the end of
54:15
doing my dance career for good and it should have been the end
54:18
of Jimmy Savile Korea when somebody made those allegations.
54:21
But you're right he was in a far more powerful because he was
54:24
part of the normal Entertainment Group, whereas lighting was very
54:30
much and and all of them they were outliers, you know?
54:33
As they as they progressed in got older more mature, they've
54:37
turned into some incredible power houses within the music
54:41
industry and look at that dog. On was the don't want to do
54:44
that. Sorry, Big Audio Dynamite.
54:47
You know, the his power is influence across black music.
54:51
Now is it's pretty much on Rival and you know that that came from
54:55
punk, you know? And and some of the bands are
54:58
still going. You know, the they're not doing
55:00
any high kicks or splits anymore you know, and have to be wheeled
55:04
on stage and then plugged in but you know it's it's good to see
55:07
that our passion the desire to do something can keep on.
55:12
I'm going for that long. I think the heart of punk will
55:15
never die as well, because if you break down the core of what
55:19
Punk is, again that Even with the influence of mainstream and
55:24
everything is the heart and soul of it, never died.
55:27
Because as I mentioned at the beginning, Punk was all about
55:30
DIY doing it yourself. You didn't have to be this
55:33
flashy, amazing guitarist or drama or bassist or singer.
55:37
You didn't even have to be able to sing.
55:39
You like it. Yeah.
55:40
You just had to kind of come in there with a passion and a drive
55:43
and want to sing about real stuff and and that was it and
55:48
you see bands all the time in you know, embodying.
55:52
In that kind of spirit years later and to this day, you know,
55:56
I've seen some excellent punk bands to this day and it's still
56:01
very much Alive and Kicking. I think it always will be, I'll
56:05
give you a key recommendation for a band that's coming on the
56:08
podcast soon. I've called Main Street Main
56:11
Street detour American band and they've got a lot of punk in
56:15
them. They are pretty decent talking
56:19
to them later today. And yeah they're they've got a
56:23
lot of meat on them bones that was boys of there's a band.
56:28
It's gonna kill me now cause I can't remember the name, but if
56:30
you someone in the comments, will be able to focus up for me
56:34
and I'll get it to you as well as a band that's been touring
56:36
the UK for some time. Now, especially during that 20
56:40
21, 22, 23, unless 2020, has more 20, 21 22.
56:44
They got a big kind of Presents on Tick-Tock.
56:49
It's literally a guy I think it was just this is this a two of
56:54
them? Yeah it was a guy and a girl go
56:56
on drums. Guy on guitar with a megaphone.
57:00
All right? And they were straight up punk
57:04
and just absolutely Thousand Miles and your face Brilliance
57:08
of raw power constantly throwing it to you.
57:11
There's so many videos online of them being like thrown out from
57:15
places by security and I didn't feel it.
57:17
There's a there's one of them like actually screaming in the
57:19
police face or something. It's crazy.
57:23
Punk rockers alive, my friends. Yeah, good good.
57:25
Well, it is in me, so keep me happy, right?
57:30
Some final questions for you to wind things down for today.
57:34
What's the best advice you've ever received?
57:38
You don't have to challenge everything.
57:41
Okay. I'ma Do.
57:45
I have a problem with authority? My wife would say I do and I but
57:48
that's a bit of the old pumpkin me, it's one of my friends is a
57:52
police officer. Now, I think I was going through
57:55
a phase in life where I was just arguing the point, the toss all
57:59
the time and you said to me not everything has to be challenged.
58:05
That was the best bit of advice. It's true.
58:08
It's bit like the whole adage of like choose your battles and
58:12
that like I think it's exactly that.
58:14
Yeah I think I think after that was look left and look right
58:18
before you cross the road, okay? What's the most unexpected piece
58:31
of advice you've ever received? What the hell?
58:40
Oh, Daddy. Dear me.
58:41
That's an awful thing on a podcast.
58:50
You know, I'm completely stumped out.
58:53
I don't know. It's a hard question, I wouldn't
58:56
know I've had, I've had feedback which could be twist a little
59:02
bit, you know, where of done a song written, it sent it to a
59:05
friend and they've gone, that's brilliant.
59:07
And I've got, I thought whoops, the throwaway best advice While
59:14
most unexpected advice. Sorry.
59:19
It's going to cop out again. You don't see challenge,
59:22
everything we were in a nightclub and he gave me that
59:24
advice a nightclub. So maybe that was the that was
59:27
the most unexpected, you know. Because it was a it was a
59:30
weirdest scenario to get life-changing advice.
59:34
It's going to say like let's talk a bit more about that.
59:36
So, you're in a nightclub, you just chit sitting in chain.
59:39
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
59:40
We talked you into in the fat. Yeah.
59:41
And yeah, and you turn around he said not if the needs to be
59:44
challenged. I'm like, okay.
59:47
Thanks a lot. Yeah, mostly taught me till I
59:49
sobered up to realize what you meant, but, you know, I think I
59:52
just grinned them bad but, yeah, okay, mate.
59:54
Yeah, whatever side note, by the way, I found out that apparently
59:58
nightclubs and casinos do quite cheap food, right?
1:00:06
Okay, it quite nice, parently as well.
1:00:08
This is just completely unrelated, but like, if you're
1:00:11
ever out and about and you need some light cheaper food and it's
1:00:15
a bit in a bit of a weird saying, try A nightclub during
1:00:18
the day or casinos and violently.
1:00:22
It's cheap because it's not really like they want.
1:00:24
Obviously keep you there. Yeah.
1:00:25
And the food is cheaper and it's a good way and then you can just
1:00:28
be like this, I won't gamble or just eat now just avoid the
1:00:31
roulette wheel. Whatever you do.
1:00:32
Yeah, well maybe maybe work at envy that.
1:00:37
Let's do roulette and then that will decide if I pay or not.
1:00:42
Yeah but if you are make sure you put the right chips on the
1:00:44
table. What's the biggest life lesson
1:00:50
you've learned so far? The biggest life lesson, I've
1:00:57
learned so far, is Don't do everything.
1:01:07
You think is a good idea? If?
1:01:14
all not everything you think is a good idea, is a good idea or
1:01:21
Think things through before you do something, no, really real.
1:01:25
We all make mistakes, we all make mistakes in life.
1:01:27
And I the period of my life. I made a significant mistake
1:01:32
which affected other people, and it's taken me many, many, many
1:01:36
years to recover from that. From a From a self-worth point
1:01:42
of view. Wow.
1:01:45
You know, when you do things, which are against the very core
1:01:48
of who you are and it's nothing illegal things about it.
1:01:53
Now, the a didn't create a monster or rob a bank.
1:01:57
But when you do something, which is against your core beliefs, it
1:02:00
makes you question who you are, whether you you know, whether
1:02:04
you truly where that person you thought you were and then when
1:02:07
you realize that it was a mistake, then you've got to
1:02:10
rebuild Elements of you. Hey oh no.
1:02:14
Ask a follow-up to that one. Because I happen to be talking
1:02:16
about a similar conversation recently, when those things
1:02:21
happened, would you say that you were limited by your choices or
1:02:26
would you say Maybe you took the easier route but maybe not the
1:02:32
right route, what was it? And then what made you realize?
1:02:36
Yeah, I took the, I took what I thought was the right route.
1:02:43
Because I, it's a difficult one to answer but effectively.
1:02:51
I did what I thought was right at the time.
1:02:53
Only thinking about me. Ah, yeah.
1:02:58
And that is the worst reason to do anything.
1:03:02
Yeah, we've always got to think about the others that we impact.
1:03:07
Yeah, we can be selfish, you know, there's nothing wrong with
1:03:10
being selfish at times, but we can't be completely selfish, you
1:03:14
know, because all of our actions impact others.
1:03:18
And I did not consider my actions, which impacted others
1:03:21
and caused a rather large Ripple in the pond shall we say?
1:03:27
But, you know, you've, you've got to, you've got to seek
1:03:30
forgiveness for what you do. And you've also got to forgive
1:03:34
yourself for what you do. Whether it be a big mistake or a
1:03:39
little mistake or whatever, because it all goes back to that
1:03:43
core idea about being kinder to yourself.
1:03:46
We can't we can't magically go back and stop ourselves from
1:03:51
doing it. Okay, what we've done?
1:03:53
We've done yeah or we've got left to do is to try and fix.
1:04:00
That issue. And if that means fixing
1:04:01
ourselves or fixing a loved one or I don't know, whatever that
1:04:06
whatever the issue was, you've got to fix both sides of it.
1:04:10
And the hardest thing for me was fixing myself, And that's taken
1:04:15
me years and it's only you know I've I'm remarried now.
1:04:20
My wife is insanely supportive but she's very quiet about it.
1:04:28
You know she's she's not standing behind me like a
1:04:30
cheerleader going yay. Yeah you go you go.
1:04:36
She's just there. And that's the that's the
1:04:38
sweetest thing about her you know that every time I Stumble
1:04:41
you know that I don't make big mistakes.
1:04:43
I hope I don't. But when I Stumble she's there
1:04:46
and she catches me and she goes, oh whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Left
1:04:49
Foot Right Foot Left Foot Right Foot, come on back to normal now
1:04:52
for years, but that's the hardest thing.
1:04:55
When you make a big mistake is Having yourself is accepting
1:05:00
that you are allowed to make mistakes.
1:05:03
You don't you wish you had made them, you really do.
1:05:06
But you've got to say I'm human. I could I can and will make
1:05:10
mistakes. I will try and make them small
1:05:13
mistakes, okay? And I will work on forgiving
1:05:17
myself. Beautiful, thank you, thank you
1:05:21
so much for sharing my own and just for being on the show.
1:05:26
I knew it would be a good conversation and as always blow
1:05:31
me away so thank you so much for being on the show and have a
1:05:35
pleasant man you're always welcome back and yeah everybody
1:05:40
go and check out the Mundo Street Social Club podcast.
1:05:44
It's brilliant start on Monday so don't check it out yet.
1:05:48
Oh no, hang on a sec. Hey, We have about seven
1:05:54
episodes to listen to. Christian is episode 3.
1:05:57
Whoops. Oh yeah.
1:05:59
I think he's already listened to it yet a sneak peek.
1:06:02
I did. Yeah.
1:06:05
Okay. Final question for you do you
1:06:06
have any upcoming projects or final thoughts?
1:06:09
Do you like to show by listeners at the only upcoming project is
1:06:12
the Mondo Street. Social Club website is
1:06:16
www.martialartsnc.com UK G podcast anything else to share
1:06:23
with you? I genuinely think I'm starting
1:06:28
to make some new friends which is a wonderful thing.
1:06:31
You know, it when you approach a new Venture, particularly
1:06:36
something like podcasting podcasting can be quite
1:06:39
anonymous because it's you spend a lot of time preparing for and
1:06:43
a lot of time editing. So that's a lot of time on your
1:06:46
own, okay. And then you invite people into
1:06:49
your Your safe space and into your brain pattern, who you
1:06:55
don't know, from Adam or Eve. Yeah.
1:06:59
And how they are in that half hour, hour-and-a-half, whatever
1:07:04
that interview period is, can have an impact on you and it can
1:07:08
be positive. It can be negative.
1:07:10
And genuinely, so far, I've I've interviewed for people for my
1:07:14
podcast so far and I already knew what I was that's cheating.
1:07:19
But the other three people Language itself, Christian have
1:07:22
been so incredibly supportive and so incredibly giving in
1:07:27
their interviews that it's a time just sitting there going.
1:07:30
Wow, this is actually quite, you know, or inspiring this, you
1:07:36
know? And I'm sure I'll have about
1:07:37
interview at some point, you know?
1:07:38
I'm sure I'll go you know what, mate?
1:07:40
Let's finish now. There's no point in continuing
1:07:45
It's bound to happen at some point.
1:07:47
So I think the, the final thing for me, and if you're thinking
1:07:49
about doing something like this, or you thinking about picking
1:07:52
the guitar and write a song for you, thinking about right,
1:07:54
poetry or auditioning to be in a play or a TV show.
1:07:59
Must have that strength must have that confidence, no matter
1:08:02
how hard it is for you to do that.
1:08:04
Give it the biggest shot, you can give it and go for it
1:08:08
because you're going to meet people who are on the same
1:08:10
trajectory. As you, you have the same
1:08:13
Hang-Ups and psychosis and foibles.
1:08:15
As you, you know, we're all the same in this, in this.
1:08:19
In this realm of creativity. We're all a little bit Bonkers.
1:08:23
I'm an old little bit paranoid, and we're all a little bit
1:08:25
ridden with anxiety, so just Do your best to get out there.
1:08:30
Do your best to produce. Something will all support you
1:08:33
in. Whatever it is.
1:08:34
You produce, will be honest with you, will support you to make it
1:08:38
better, or sometimes make it worse, depending what it is, but
1:08:42
just give it the best shot you can.
1:08:44
Because if there is something out here for everybody, Then the
1:08:47
great wall and yeah once again massive thank you for saving the
1:08:51
show. You're welcome right now, not a
1:08:54
problem at all. The listeners of the Christian
1:08:56
read podcast. Thank you so much for listening
1:08:58
and yeah, I will see you. In the next one.