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M and M EXTRA May 12, 2026: Democrat race-baiting -- Stories of the Modern South -- An Ethics Test · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 2: You would think, and logic might dictate that after our
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  Speaker 2: I got a three hour show. You got a three
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  Speaker 3: A lot of markets only take two of my three hours,
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  Speaker 3: and that's part of that's building in the case. So
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  Speaker 3: I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I just I'm
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  Speaker 3: not better about it or anything. But can I go right?
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  Speaker 3: Can I?
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  Speaker 2: Can I reset what we're gonna say? And then I
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  Speaker 2: that we'd be about done. We've pretty well like covered
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  Speaker 2: what we need to cover. Man, what in the world
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  Speaker 2: else could there be? Are we discovering the opposite? As
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  Speaker 2: it is a fountain of stuff just rising up out
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  Speaker 2: of us? And so here here comes to version of
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  Speaker 2: we've done stuff in the news today, Trump on the
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  Speaker 2: you want to play. I have my daily fascination of
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  Speaker 2: democrats who might run and blob, but it's like a
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  Speaker 2: daily exercise. So here's the deal. Let's say before I
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  Speaker 2: arrive in June of twenty twelve, they're coming up on
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  Speaker 2: fourteen years in this building here in Salem, Land. You
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  Speaker 2: that runs after you, which is Prager of course, no,
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  Speaker 2: which is now Scott Jennings, et cetera. So yes, I
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  Speaker 2: cost the three hours of me are one hour culled, lifted,
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  Speaker 2: hope on balance that it's been a worthy exercise.
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  Speaker 3: It's worth it, It's totally worth it. And let me
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  Speaker 3: we love pulling the curtain back and sharing with kind
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  Speaker 3: Guy in Dallas, don't take it that way. And that's
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  Speaker 2: Because if we do that is it could be it
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's out of order. We get in trouble. We're
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  Speaker 3: We're out of order. In Dallas, we're out of order.
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  Speaker 3: In Houston, New York, we're in order. But we're only
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  Speaker 3: some markets that take us late at night in Akron.
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  Speaker 3: think from midnight to three am, and we've been that
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  Speaker 3: way for years. Hey, I'll take it. I'll take it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you can't call the show live, obviously, but
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  Speaker 3: you can you can hear the show. So that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of the behind the So let's go. Let's start with
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  Speaker 3: today and me. I've sprung something on you and I
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  Speaker 3: could tell and I always hate it. I should always
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  Speaker 3: try to give you a heads up, but sometimes you're
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  Speaker 3: spontaneous reactions better.
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  Speaker 2: That's the fun that I would I would assert that
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  Speaker 2: that's the fun.
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  Speaker 3: So I shared with you how there's a representative in Virginia,
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  Speaker 3: a Republican congresswoman named Jen Kiggins who is in a
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  Speaker 3: very tough re election battle in Virgini and Democrats are
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  Speaker 3: looking for anything they can find to try to get
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  Speaker 3: an upper hand on her as she runs for reelection
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  Speaker 3: in that particular congressional district in Virginia. So she gives
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  Speaker 3: an interview to a fellow by the name of rich Herrera.
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  Speaker 3: Rich is the host of something called The Richmond's Morning
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  Speaker 3: News he's the morning host on WRVA, which is a
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  Speaker 3: big powerhouse radio.
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  Speaker 2: Station capacity of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: You bet, and he's interviewing this congresswoman and they're both
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  Speaker 3: bemoaning the way Democrats like Hakeem Jeffries are poking around
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  Speaker 3: and sticking their nose into other states redistricting efforts. And
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  Speaker 3: this redistricting thing, I mean is, let's face it, this
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  Speaker 3: has turned into World War seven. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 3: Defcon one state after state. Now the Democrats started it,
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  Speaker 3: Republicans want to finish it. The Democrats pretended that Republicans,
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  Speaker 3: namely Texas started it and that they have to finish it,
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  Speaker 3: which was a lie. By the way, Texas didn't start this.
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  Speaker 3: But so she's given a radio interview and I saw
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  Speaker 3: this headline as I rolled out of bed this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Virginia congresswoman faces calls for resignation for her appearance on
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  Speaker 3: a radio show. I want to play for you mark
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  Speaker 3: the exchange between Rich Herrera, the host on WRVA, and
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  Speaker 3: this congresswoman Jen Kiggins. Listen to the exchange and what
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  Speaker 3: got her in a world of hurt today?
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  Speaker 5: If Hakim Jeffries wants to be involved in Virginia politics.
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  Speaker 5: Then I suggest he does what all a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: New Yorkers are doing. Leave New York, move down here
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  Speaker 5: to Virginia. Run for office down here. You can represent us,
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  Speaker 5: if not, get your cotton picking hands off of Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, dittoh, yes, yes to that now.
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  Speaker 3: That's what got her in trouble for saying for giggling
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  Speaker 3: and saying that's right. Ditto to that. That's correct now.
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  Speaker 3: And what she was agreeing with was that Hakeem Jeffries
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  Speaker 3: needs to butt out of Virginia. But of course the
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  Speaker 3: phrase get your cotton picking hands, as applied to a
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  Speaker 3: black man turns into a massive scandal because it's racist
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  Speaker 3: to say cotton picking hands about a black man. Mark,
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  Speaker 3: I told you this story this morning, and you looked
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  Speaker 3: at me like I was completely out of my mind.
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  Speaker 3: But it's true. It happened. And I even had some
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  Speaker 3: callers and said, well it was probably a little incense.
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  Speaker 2: What no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
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  Speaker 2: We can't live that way. Don't ever surrender to the terrorists.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks ridiculous. We cannot surrender to the language terrorists, to
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  Speaker 2: the race baiting terrorists. Absolutely not cotton picking is a
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  Speaker 2: universal term, been used forever. It It has no racial
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  Speaker 2: tinge whatsoever, certainly no racist motive. Everybody needs to go
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  Speaker 2: and and as we discussed earlier in the Eminem radio version,
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  Speaker 2: this is all they have, since this is largely all
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  Speaker 2: they have are these false reflex accusations of racism. It's
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  Speaker 2: gonna come. This is how you get Elon Musk with
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  Speaker 2: the you know you're in my heart or is it
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  Speaker 2: a Nazi salute? Or the who knows what might get
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  Speaker 2: twisted next time somebody misspeaks or does something that by
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  Speaker 2: somebody somewhere can be spun negatively as racism when it
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  Speaker 2: is not.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is exactly why I love your spirit and
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  Speaker 3: your attitude, because frankly, we should give no quarter to
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  Speaker 3: these race baiters and these race hustlers. And now now look,
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  Speaker 3: she kind of apologized. She said, well, I wish you
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have used the phrase that he used. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: instead of just standing up and saying no, this is
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  Speaker 3: nothing racist about this. It's a phrase. It's just a normal.
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  Speaker 3: But this is a look at realtors, you're not allowed
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  Speaker 3: to say master bedroom anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeap, the master key that if you have the set
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  Speaker 2: of keys, which one's the master key.
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  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. Now, there are some realtors who one guy
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  Speaker 3: that hurt a buddy of mine, who hurt our conversation
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  Speaker 3: today on your show, and he's a very successful realtor.
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  Speaker 3: He said, I'm not going to back down. It's master bedroom.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say master. Think about this now, Mark, think
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  Speaker 3: about the reason behind it. Master bedroom evokes images of
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  Speaker 3: a master of a slave.
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  Speaker 2: In what like the larger bedroom is putting the other
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  Speaker 2: bedrooms in shackles and whipping the other bedrooms as they
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  Speaker 2: engage in involuntary servitude. What kind of nonsense is this?
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  Speaker 3: But that's where we are. This is where we are.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's got and it's got to stop. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there was a list. You know, the New York theater
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  Speaker 3: community is as woke as any community you'll ever come across,
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  Speaker 3: and they put out a list of politically offensive phrases
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  Speaker 3: like you can't even talk about what was it the
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  Speaker 3: balcony and the cheap seats and all this stuff. You
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  Speaker 3: can't say anymore because it's offensive to somebody on some level.
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  Speaker 3: I am so sick of this, Mark, And guess what
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  Speaker 3: there are political analysts who think that this could have
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  Speaker 3: this could have cost her the election that because she said,
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  Speaker 3: do you remember Serena Williams and the and the in
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  Speaker 3: the hotels, cotton, the cotton ball, the cotton plant. It
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  Speaker 3: was a cotton plant, Serena Williams and it was a
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  Speaker 3: five star, luxury, expensive hotel and it was a cotton plant.
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  Speaker 3: She was offended by that. She took to her Instagram
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  Speaker 3: and showed a video saying, I'm not really all right
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  Speaker 3: with this. This is not as a black woman in
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  Speaker 3: amer What are you wearing any cotton clothes or clothes
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  Speaker 3: made out of cotton?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Mark, this has got to stop. It's just
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  Speaker 3: and this is but I but I do like what
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  Speaker 3: you said. This is all they got their desk.
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  Speaker 2: Is It's a good sign. It's a good problem to have.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's not easy if you're her, if
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  Speaker 2: you're you know, if you're caught the host or the radio,
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  Speaker 2: the radio's.
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  Speaker 3: Terrible for him. Management had better stick up for him.
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  Speaker 2: Management.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder what they're going to do to him. I
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  Speaker 3: think he's Hispanic. His name is Herrera. That's Hispanic, right
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  Speaker 3: h R R A R A and it turns out
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  Speaker 3: he's got connections to Tampa Bay, where I live. Apparently
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  Speaker 3: he used to be involved with the Tampa Bay Rays
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  Speaker 3: and he I guess he was a former sports guy
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  Speaker 3: and people I know. So I was thinking about getting
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  Speaker 3: him mom But then I thought, well, if I put
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  Speaker 3: him on my show and ask him about it, does
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  Speaker 3: it make it worse?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, I tell you what ask. All
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  Speaker 2: he can do is except for a decline, I'd listen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would think it'd be a good segment, but
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  Speaker 3: to find out what he's going through. But again, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to make it worse. And let's talk about
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  Speaker 3: this for just a moment, about trying to afford grace.
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  Speaker 3: And I told you about this horrific case of a
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  Speaker 3: man who was shoved to his death in New York
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  Speaker 3: City the other day, seventy six year old man. And
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  Speaker 3: I want to play this report for you from Fox
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  Speaker 3: News because this this is very telling about where we
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  Speaker 3: are culturally, where we are as as a society. There's
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  Speaker 3: a guy, and turned out he was a Broadway dancer.
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  Speaker 3: The guy was the dance captain for a musical that
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  Speaker 3: I happened to love, Spider Man, Turn Off, the Dark.
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  Speaker 3: Did you remember reading anything about that ill fated Broadway musical.
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  Speaker 2: I remember the name and that it lived in some
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  Speaker 2: type of infamy, but I don't remember why.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the infamy was people were getting their feet crushed
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  Speaker 3: and legs broken, people were getting hurt. It was this
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  Speaker 3: really huge production about spider Man, Peter Parker and Spider Man.
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  Speaker 3: But they had all the villains and Spider Man was
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  Speaker 3: flying around in the theater. They had a huge rigging
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  Speaker 3: system in this particular theater in New York. But it
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  Speaker 3: was so technically overwhelming that actors and ensemble members were
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  Speaker 3: getting injured and they were getting hurt all the time.
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  Speaker 3: And in fact, one night there was a guy up
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  Speaker 3: on a giant ledge way up in the in this
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  Speaker 3: up in the air, and his harness broke and he
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  Speaker 3: fell like fifty feet and in front of a live audience,
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  Speaker 3: and they saw this poor guy fall. He broke just
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  Speaker 3: about every bone in his body. He lived, and I
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  Speaker 3: think he got a nice huge paycheck. Yep, yep. But
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  Speaker 3: but that was the That was the infamy to the show.
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  Speaker 3: And I loved it. It was a rock musical. I
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  Speaker 3: think Bono, I don't know. I forget who was involved
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  Speaker 3: in it, but it was it was really I thought,
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  Speaker 3: well done and well put together. In any event, this
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  Speaker 3: guy was the dance captain for that particular production. Supposedly,
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  Speaker 3: COVID made him snap. He took a leave from reality
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  Speaker 3: during COVID and he became mentally unwell, and COVID turned
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  Speaker 3: him into basically a raving lunatic. And he was and
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  Speaker 3: the way it manifested and it was a kind of
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  Speaker 3: a big, athletic looking guy. He was going around assaulting
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  Speaker 3: people strangers in the streets of New York repeatedly, repeatedly. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so he's assaulting people over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: He the last time he got called into account, he
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  Speaker 3: was a in a psychiatric evaluation and they let him
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  Speaker 3: out in an hour. Within three hours, he comes upon
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  Speaker 3: a seventy six year old retired teacher, a beloved grandfather,
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  Speaker 3: who was a volunteer social worker who reached out to
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  Speaker 3: at risk youth. He worked with kids who were in trouble,
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  Speaker 3: probably young people, not unlike the man who shoved him
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  Speaker 3: from behind down a flight of steps. And this seventy
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  Speaker 3: six year old suffered severe neck and head and brain
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  Speaker 3: injuries and he died. Listen to this report. Bill Malugin
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  Speaker 3: from Fox News introduces Alexis McAdams to tell you about
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  Speaker 3: this repeat, repeat offender, and listen to the toward the
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  Speaker 3: end what Alexis says about why this guy was free
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  Speaker 3: to roam the streets of New York only to kill
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  Speaker 3: a seventy six year old man.
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  Speaker 6: Yet another disturbing story out of New York City. That's
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  Speaker 6: where a man has been charged with murdering a seventy
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  Speaker 6: six year old teacher. Police say the suspect shoved him
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  Speaker 6: down the steps of a subway. Alexis mcadam's joining us
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  Speaker 6: Live in New York with the story on this. Hi, Alexis, Hey.
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  Speaker 4: Bill, Yeah, a terrible story. And right now this family
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  Speaker 4: of the seventy six year old is planning a funeral
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  Speaker 4: after he was shoved right down the subway steps in
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  Speaker 4: New York City. Behind me as he was just trying
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  Speaker 4: to get home. And listen to this. The guy who
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  Speaker 4: did it, according to police, was just released from the
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  Speaker 4: psych ward hours before police had just picked him up.
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  Speaker 4: Take a look here on your screen. It actually made
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  Speaker 4: the cover of the New York Post over the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: Because he's grinning at the judge as they go through
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  Speaker 4: the long list of charges against him. Here they're naming
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  Speaker 4: it there on the post killer smile. He's charged with
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  Speaker 4: the murder of this man, Ross fell Zone, after police
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  Speaker 4: say Burke shoved the retired teacher down the subway steps
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  Speaker 4: on Thursday night, and surveillance video ACTS captured the moment
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  Speaker 4: of the attack. I want to warn you it's graphic here.
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  Speaker 4: You can see Fella Zone pushed with a lot of force,
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  Speaker 4: so we froze the clip right before impact. He was
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  Speaker 4: left with both severe brain and neck injuries and later
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  Speaker 4: died at a local hospital. Investigators say Burke was released
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  Speaker 4: from a mental hospital in New York just hours before
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  Speaker 4: the latest attack, brought in for a psychiatric evaluation and
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  Speaker 4: hold after police here saw him acting erratically, so they
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  Speaker 4: picked them up and brought him in. But he was
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  Speaker 4: back out in the street bill within one hour. One hour,
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  Speaker 4: he was out so fast, and sources tell me he
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  Speaker 4: actually still had his hospital wristband on when he was
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  Speaker 4: arrested for murder. This case one of four murders on
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  Speaker 4: the subway system just so far this year. Back in March.
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  Speaker 4: You're right, I remember this story. This eighty three year
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  Speaker 4: old veteran on his way home, was killed shoved onto
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  Speaker 4: the subway tracks. NYPD data shows subway murders are up
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  Speaker 4: by three hundred percent already compared to last year. Back
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  Speaker 4: out here Live, we can tell you were learning more
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  Speaker 4: about Burke's criminal history. Just the other week. Bill investigators
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  Speaker 4: tell me assaulted two people on the subway. But when
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  Speaker 4: they tried to talk to those people, they said they
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to cooperate with police because they didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to put another black man behind bars. Now, the girl
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  Speaker 4: tells the New York Posts she wished she would have
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  Speaker 4: cooperated because you wouldn't be out on the street, billy.
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: And smiling in the courtroom when you're accused of killing somebody. Yeah,
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: it says all you need to know.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Mark. I can't we don't want to put it. I
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: can't even. We don't even we don't want to put
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: another black man behind bars. Now, how are they going
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: to live with that for? Because you realize had they
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: pressed charges and not have their stupid social justice warrior
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: mindset this asinine, bleeding heart crap about not putting another
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: black man behind bars, this seventy six year old man
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: would probably be alive. I mean, is it a stretch
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: to say his blood is on their hands, mark.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Completely completely, And how many cases like this will we hear?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: How many stories like this? Are these the kinds of
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: things that only resonate with one side. I'd like to
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: think there's some human brains stuff and everybody that would
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: hear something like this and go wow, it is time
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: to hit a pause button. It's time to check ourselves.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: It's time to reevaluate, it's time to introspectively just sort
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: of look where we are and identify things that are
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: right and things that are wrong. And that is just
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: so horrifically, horrifically wrong. Does anybody in any universe think
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: that a blow was struck for justice by doing that,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: that some universal wrong was somehow righted.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I would. I would lose my mind if if my
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: loved one was killed and I learned that the reason
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: the killer was on the streets was because of a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: social justice warrior who didn't want to be responsible for
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: putting another black man behind bars, I'd lose my mind.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I would. I don't know how, and I don't know
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: how people survive it. I often think about Ron Goldman's
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: parents and remember Fred Goldman, and incidentally, it's the exact
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: same thing. The jury in the O. J. Simpson trial
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: knew he did it. In fact, one juror came out
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: and just pretty much admitted it. Yeah, we just wanted
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: to stick it to the white man. We during nullification,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: we wanted to give a verdict that we knew was wrong,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: but we wanted to correct bigger transgressions past sins of
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: slavery and Jim Crow and too many black people falsely
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: accused and incarcerated. So we took a brutal murderer, a filthy,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: cowardly monster like O. J. Simpson, and we said not guilty,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: even though we knew he was guilty. It's the same thing.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: It's the same thing. It's like, it's like, let's try
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: to fix the system and like you said, try to
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: right past wrongs with this hopeless, ridiculous mindset. And and
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I often thought about Fred Goldman as OJ was playing
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: golf in Las Vegas and signing autographs and live in
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: the high life all those years after he murdered Fred
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Goldman's precious son. How do you survive that? Mark? Do
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: you know how strong you have to be to just
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: get get out of bed every morning knowing that your
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: son's killer got away with it. Gosh, it's got to
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: be a terrible feeling.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: It does. And it's funny, as you mentioned, the notion
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of being alive and free to wander the golf courses
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: in search of the real killer. It kind of informs,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: you know, to go back to our case locally here
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: in Texas, of this monster who has properly given the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: death penalty for killing little Athena Strand. This is what
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: made me a firm death penalty supporter after being ambivalent
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: in my early twenties, that I saw an execution in
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: the Florida State Prison and saw these these these family
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: members of his victims who were relieved, if that's the
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: right word, that they were just glad that something that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: some symmetry of justice had happened and that they were
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: not going to have to think about this guy getting
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: three hots and a caught nice reading library, you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: some cable for he was a young man for another
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: sixty years. There there there's and I know at least
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you would have been on death row, or at least
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it would have been in a prison. But for these
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: people who are out and for for people to knowingly
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: do that that somehow we're going to rise up and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: strike a blow because there was slavery, there was Jim Crow,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: and listen, I think we've we may every five or
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: six episodes stipulate and admit that as well to do
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: white guys, we will never know firsthand, not only what
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: it's like to have that happen, but what it's like
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: to have that happen to your ancestors. Might have a
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: good sized chip on my shoulder too, but I would
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: do my utmost to make sure that it did not
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: inform my behavior here in twenty twenty six, to the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: extent that I did things like that.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I have a friend. I mentioned this friend who's married
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: to a person of a different race, this person, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I want to be very careful here because this is
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: somebody in the area. So I don't want I don't
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: want anybody to be somebody we know. But this person
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: is married to this is this is a white person
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: married to a black person.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: The woman help me out.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say that. I don't want to
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: identify anybody. Okay, So it's a white person married to
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: a black person. And this white person has said to
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: me that they noticed when they go into restaurants how
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: different that the spouse and this other person are treated,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that there is a different Now, I want to give
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: you a caveat to this, which is I think maybe
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: very telling. And race is so complicated, but I'm glad
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: we're trying to tackle this together. So this friend of
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: mine says, you know, I feel it, I experience it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I see it all the time. It's the way waiters
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: treat my spouse, it's the way other patrons treat I
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: feel like sometimes the restaurant is just looking at us. Now,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: this same person has a belief that the redistricting that's
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: going on right now is going to send her spouse,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: this person's spouse or his spouse back to Jim Crow
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: and chains.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm nineteen fifty two. It's eighteen fifty.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Two that this person has told me that the Voting
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Rights Act is the only thing that allows this person's
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: spouse to go into a restaurant without allows them to
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: be the right to go out out to eat. The
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act gave that to this person's spouse. And
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at the phone like I'm talking to like
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a crazy person, like, no, it doesn't. And the Voting
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Rights Act has been manipulated in a way that it
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: was never intended to be. But you can't. So the
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: reason I tell you all this is that there's a
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: backstory and there's a context that I think is necessary.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: When somebody thinks the restaurant is looking at him, chances
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: are the restaurants not mark but they're so ready for
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: it that they think that, you know what I mean.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And it might not be that they are front loaded
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: with a hostility or resentment. It may just be that
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: they're wondering. I had a basic question of human psychology
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: as you were telling that. Let's say that you are
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the racially mixed couple, and that's funny. I wonder if
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: it matters if you're a racially mixed couple in Boston
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: versus Atlanta, or Los Angeles versus Portland, Maine.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: But let's say that you just are and you go
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: in and you're think or maybe maybe it's a city
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you've never visited before, so you're not the comfort zone
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: of knowing the neighborhood. And you go in and you're way,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you're getting a restaurant, you're the hostess stand whatever, and
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you're just thinking, oh man, because maybe it's happened X
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: number of times, and you did know that there was
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: somebody somebody looking askance at your situation. So you're kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of on guard against that, which I could understand that
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: someone would be. And maybe that colors part that verb
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: colors your perception of So maybe somebody looks at you
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: just to look at you, but you instantly think, aboup,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: there we go. There they're checking. It's a disapproving glance.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: But it was nothing of the kind nobody me. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: just want and I have empathy for those who have
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to tiptoe through life. Maybe you don't have to tiptoe
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: as much as you used to. I'd like to think
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that this issue in twenty twenty six is not like
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: walking around being a racially mixed couple in nineteen sixty
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: six or something.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting in a studio in Greenville, South Carolina. The
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: next town over is a city called Spartanburg, South Carolina,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: many years ago, decades ago, in fact, I think I
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: was working here at the time. Maybe it was shortly
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: after that. There was a group of Secret Service agents
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: who went to a Denny's restaurant to get to get
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: dinner or lunch, and it was in Spartanburg. Now, this
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: group of Secret Service agents were black. It was a
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: black group of secret US Secret Service ations. They maintained
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: that they got bad service at this particular Denny's. Yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: they sued. They upended Denny's for many, many years. They
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: cost Denny's many, many millions and millions of dollars. They
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: made Denny's change all these policies. And I remember delving
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: into this story and trying to figure out what it
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: was that they experienced that they claimed was racist.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Did they see countless white parties seated ahead of them?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Did they see a bunch of other white folks treated
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: with respect and dignity while they kind of went what
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: do you want? Was there some demonstrable difference or maybe
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: it was just a crappy Denny's. I love Denny's. Maybe
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: it was just maybe it was just bad service for
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: everybody that day.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, it's Denny's. It ain't exactly
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: La Bernadine or whatever it is. I mean, this ain't
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: exactly per se on Central Park West. This is Denny's
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: in Spartanburg, South Carolina. And to answer your question, because
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I was looking for that, was there like a horrific
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: n word? Was there an epithet? Was there something thrown around? No, somebody,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: there were people that got served ahead of them, and
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: that ticked them off, and they said, look, you're seating
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the white people before you're seating me. There was never
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: any proof of any kind of explicit racism. But it
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: gets back to the whole thing we were talking about
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: with the word cotton and cotton picking hands. There are
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: people who find and I always thought, I've just bristled
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: at the thought that those Secret Service agents and God
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: blessed the Secret Service their law enforcement. I love cops
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: and all that, but what a stupid friend. And look,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: they won, they prevailed and they upended Denny's.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Was it a South Carolina jury? Was it a bunch
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: of guilty white people.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Who did that? I don't remember how. I don't remember
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: that jury. I just saying, yeah, here we go again. Yeah,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I just remember they prevailed,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: and they they successfully got huge changes and it impacted
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Denny's bottom line and its parent company for many, many
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: years to come. And I always thought that was outrageous.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Go back for a moment, you know, it's funny.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But before you leave the exact geography of where you are.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if this if the vestiges of
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: this because people listening or watching whatever, anybody who's a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: history buff, Hello Greenville, Hello nineteen sixty I want to
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: say the lunch counter sit ins were literally and it's
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: not like it was a thousand years ago. It was
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: sixty six, right, but still, but still you couldn't eat
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: at a lunch counter because you were black. And just
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: a few years earlier than that, Rosa Parks you had
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to move to make room for a wipe. I can't
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: believe I was born into I wasborn nineteen fifty seven.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: You were born in nineteen sixty. I a couple of months,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a couple of months before I was born, President Eisenhower
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: had to call in the National Guard so a little
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: black girl could go to school in little rock Arckets.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So I can't believe I was born into that. Justice
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: delayed is justice denied. We've made amazing progress. Could we
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: have done it faster? I don't know, but I just
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: wonder and listen, you're there a lot. Do the sling
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and arrows of that still wrap around the conscience of
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the local community, or am I way over.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Analyzed, Well, no, you know, I'm a I was a
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: guy from Ohio who got a job in Greenville, South Carolina.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: When I was a young man, I had never been
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: south of Cincinnati. I mean, I was never below the
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Mason Dixon line. And look, this is the Deep South,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: and so there was a little bit of a culture
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: shock for me. I never got used to grits, I know.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: End of relationship. Sorrytz never do it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Never from God, I know, but I've never never got
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: developed a taste for fritz. And I was and I
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: was when I was. I was. I was raised a Catholic. Well,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: there there's one Catholic church in South Carolina for every
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: five hundred Baptist churches. It's a And there was an
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: anti Catholic sentiment that I recognized when I first moved here.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: So there's things culturally about the South. And I will
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: say this, Greenville was the only place where I I
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: ever absolutely witnessed racism, a tangible example of a man
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: being discriminated against. And I'm convinced it was because of
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the color of his skin. And it happened. I'll never
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: forget it. On Stone Avenue, there was a gas station
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: and that was back in the day when you used
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: to have to have your vehicles inspected. Remember when you
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: have to go and get your car inspected about the
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: gas station of the service center and they give you
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: a little sticker and you'd get your car inspected. Well,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I went in to get my car inspected one day.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget this, and this is so vivid.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: And it's why I always remember in the year is.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: I'm going to guess ninety one, ninety two, early nineties,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I'm getting my car inspected, and I go in and
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: the guy's like, sure, no problem, we'll inspect your car.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: And he put it into the stall or whatever. And
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there waiting. A guy drives in behind me,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: black guy in a nice vehicle. He gets out and
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: said he I'd like to get my vehicle inspected. The
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: service station attendant says to him, sorry, sir, we're not
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: inspecting vehicles anymore. The time is out and you know
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: we're we we stopped inspecting vehicles.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: This show was going to be maybe you were the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: last person there.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Right, no problem, the guy said. And the black guy
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, no problem, I understand. I'll come back
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: another day. He gets in the car and drives away.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: A white guy pulls up five minutes later. Hey, I'd
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: like to get my vehicle inspected. You bet, come on in,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: we'll get we'll take care of you. Well, and it
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: hit and Mark, it hit me like a ton of bricks,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: and I remember thinking, I know what I just saw.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I know, I just experienced first hand race and I
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: and I was so upset. I started shaking. And I
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: went up to the guy like a like an idiot.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm lucky I didn't get my my nose broken,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: but I said an issue. Oh you better believe I did.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I said, I know what you did. I said, I
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: know what you did. I said, why did you turn
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: that black guy away? But you turned the but you
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: just let the white guy come in and get his
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: car inspected. And never forget His answer was the was
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the proof that I was suspected of. He said, why
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: don't you mind your own day business?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well there you go, Yeah, will boy.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Mind your damn business? Yankee call me a yankee. So
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: but there you go, and and so but you know
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: what it's so there are instances, and you know that
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: black guy could have seen from a distance that the
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: guy after him got served I you know, you never,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: so let's not pretend that we've fixed it. But on
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: the other hand, on the other hand, let me just
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: go back. We have made extra We had a president
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: for eight years, a black man. We had We've got
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Supreme Court justices and CEOs of companies and you know racism.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Is it eradicated?
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: No?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: But is it? Do we have racism lurking around every
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: corner the way the race hustlers want us to think,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: we do we do not? We do not. It's way better.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: This is a sultance. There's a sentence I want to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: run by you. I think I say it sometimes I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: vetigan that there are in twenty twenty six, there are
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: more false, reflex phony assertions of racism than there are
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: are actual examples of racist I totally agree with white
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: racism Tory black.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I totally agree. Well, look at my worldview and the
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: things that I've experienced, and I have that experience in
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: ninety one or whatever. But look at this friend of
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: mine who thinks that everywhere they go they're they're being
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: victimized by racism. And I'm not kidding you that that
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: person is of the mindset that everywhere they go in public.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: They're experiencing it because.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: There's a whole political party telling them so, there's a
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: whole media culture telling them so. Because leftist America needs,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: desperately needs for America to be a continuing racist cauldron
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: hell hole, so that they so that they can ride
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: in and uh and and make it all right. When
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: there's no longer any need for that, they got to
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: go find other things to you.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Bet Hey, let's not get out of here today without
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: covering something that I think is really really worth observing
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: and talking about. You remember months ago Mark Kelly, Senator
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Mark Kelly of Arizona, participated in a video that was
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: called was became known as the Six And these were
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: six elected representatives and led by Mark Kelly. And I'm
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: trying to remember who the others are.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Alyssa Slotkin, Senator from Michigan, yep, some other members of
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the House, a guy from Colorado, all of them Democrats
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: who had happened to serve our correct.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: They had served their country, they had been in the military.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And God bless them for their service, by the.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Way, amen. But they their message was to members of
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: today's military, disobey orders or commands that you disagree with disagree,
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  Speaker 3: disobey what you feel are on lawful commands from your military.
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  Speaker 2: It was it was you have a responsibility, they said,
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  Speaker 2: you just We're just here to remind you you have
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  Speaker 2: a responsibility to turn away and to disobey unconstitutional, unlawful orders.
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  Speaker 3: Fast forward to this past weekend on television and I
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: think it was Meet the Press, Mark Kelly does it again,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: and I want to this is unbelievable. And I was watching,
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  Speaker 3: I was packing, getting ready to go to South Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: I had and I think I'm almost positive as Meet
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  Speaker 3: the Press. But he's a guest and he is complaining
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  Speaker 3: about how the Iran war is depleting our munitions. He's
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  Speaker 3: saying that, and he's and he's saying that that's good.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good thing for an American to be saying.
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  Speaker 2: While the Iranians are watching.
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  Speaker 3: Mark Mark based on intelligence, classified intelligence briefings that he
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  Speaker 3: was given. He said to the host, it was Margaret Brennan.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I keep saying Christ it was CBS. It
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  Speaker 3: was Faced the Nation and he's and he's telling Mark,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: and Margaret Brennan says to him, oh, you got this
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: information through classified briefings. He said, yes, yes, I have.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: And then he starts to recite all the specific types
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  Speaker 3: of weaponry that are being depleted because of Trump's you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: his work I'm paraphrasing, but Trump's folly in Iran, the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: idiotic feudal war in Iran. And he went through this
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: whole litany of weapons that are supposedly all based on
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  Speaker 3: classified military intelligence that he was given as a senior
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  Speaker 3: ranking US senator. I want you to hear our friend
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  Speaker 3: Scott Jennings and our Salem colleague who goes into battle
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: every night on CNN. Here he is on one of
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: those roundtables pointing out that in normal times, a shitting
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: US senator revealing information he was given in a classified
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: briefing would be a scandal, but not so much when
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: it's a Democrat. Check this out.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Every single day that the Trump administration takes on Mark
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Kelly is a good day for the Kelly potential presidential campaign.
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  Speaker 6: He goes up and stock not just in money, but
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: also people paying attention to this.
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  Speaker 7: I'm glad we have an admission of what's going on
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: here Mark Kelly's partisan interest or what's most important, This
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: man is a United States senator. He's getting classified briefings
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  Speaker 7: from the Pentagon, and then he goes on television and
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: tells our enemies around the world in great specificity which
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: weapons systems are depleted, which need to be restocked. Setting
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: aside the legal issues which I'm with Molly, I'm not
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: a lawyer either, and I don't know what.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: The future of that holds.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: Did he ever stop to ask himself what is in
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: the best interests of the United States of America and
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: not just my own political future? Because it's obvious that
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: he did. Not A sitting senator going on television and
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: telegraphing to our enemies and our threats around the world
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: what we may or may not have, it's extraordinarily irresponsible. Well,
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: let's not let that get in the way of a
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: presidential campaign.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Scott. But to Molly's point, Amen, how
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: good is that?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Mark? How good is her? How great is that? And
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: a colleague of ours? We got him, We got him
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: here that run. But my cruise partner too in November.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: In fact, I might as well remind everybody here on
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: the M and M Extra podcast that we're going on
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the Golf Gulf of America cruise. And by the way,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: full disclosure to the audience who loves Mark slash the slide,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: ready to go. Saw nobody saw this coming? Yes, no,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: and I did not. Well, you know what's funny, I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: didn't give you as a heads up on this. She
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: was ready. She did that. No, she is. I'm not
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: kidding you. You think I'm kidding, I'm not kidding. I
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: don't even know how. I think she's a wizard of something.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: That's you on the horse and riding there on the beach.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: She she pulls up b roll and stuff ahead of time.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how she even does it. But Scott,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and incidentally from Mark Davis fans uh full disclosure. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: have begged Mark to come with us on one of
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: these cruises and he will not do it. You refuse.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I hope we might have to do an M and
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: M cruse some day if this thing takes off at
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: any event, the Gulf of America Cruise. You can go
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: to mic online dot com to get details. Seven Days
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: of Sunshine, White Sandy Beaches. I'm gonna be with Scott Jennings.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: It's Mike Allagher and Scott Jennings are your headliners, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: then we're going to be joined by Larry O'Connor, our
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: new early morning guy. Uh, Kurt Schlichter, well that ought
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: again live there now it's a party now and Jennifer
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Horn from Who I Love Dearly she's amazing. So November
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: fourteenth through the twenty first we set sale out of
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Fort Lauderdale and you go to mic online for details
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: and to the podcast audience. I promise you one day
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I'm going to talk Mark into doing a cruise because
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: it's fun. It's so much it's a blast. You unpacked
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: one time, you unpacked one time, and you're with hundreds
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: of like minded patriots that having a great time. And
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: every night we have this world we get we now
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: they work our butts off. I mean, we do a
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: lot of events, but we do this company called the
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: World Stage on the Eurodam and it's a Holland America
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: cruise ship and they've got a state of the art
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: theater and everybody comes in with here there's everybody, look
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: have Larry elder back. That was the That was the
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Patriots Alaska cruise. We had so much fun. And by
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: the way, a word of the whys here I like
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: to warn everybody.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Here's the weirdest thing. Go ahead, and this is so
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: farny people. People may try to do something. Here's Mike
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to dissuade you.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Go don't try to book around us. A few years ago,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Seb Gorka and I co hosted a Patriots Alaska cruise.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Get you did, Mike, There's doctor g and I get
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: on the ship and people are like, hey, Mike, how
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: are you? Can we take a picture and like I'm like, well, yeah,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: we'll see you tonight. They're like, no, we're not in
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: your group. I'm like, what, Well, it dawned on me.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: A bunch of people try to book that itinerary, thinking
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: they can get into our events. Well, here's the dirty
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: little secret. You got to have a badge to get
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: or you will.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: You will be tackled and tased if you try.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: You don't get in. You don't get in because there's
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: a little conference fee. It's a few hundred bucks, but
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: it's worth it. And pay a little extra, but it's
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: because you'll be give it. But please don't try to
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: book directly with Holland America. You got to go through us.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Go to mic online dot com and Inspiration travel Mark.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: They are the best of the best and they'll take
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: good care of everybody. So we hope to see you
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in November on the Gulf. To the audience, November what
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: is so the department nomber? What November fourteenth through the twenty.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: First, eleven days after the election. What will the mood
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: on that boat be, Mike, It'll be the celebration end
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: all celebrations.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Or the Titanic meets the Lucita jumping off the We'll
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: be going off the poop gap. We'll be going diving
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: off the poop gaps.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Please let it be please, let it be celebratory. If
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I don't even I have part of the complement of this,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I lose so often complete control of clock. Time are
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: we are? We about dinner?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: We are about time? For we were at time?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I think, yes, sir, two minutes for a thing that
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: was a big deal on the show this morning. I
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: want to see if you and the I and the
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: audience morally align on this. A gentleman of let's stipulate
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: we love firefighters. People run toward a burning building. That's yeah,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: that's a stretch of character I ain't got in God
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: bless the firefighters. So a guy was a Dallas firefighter
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: for one year from the middle of twenty two to
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the middle of twenty three and then left, moved to Florida.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: In fact, and City of Dallas continued the retirement paperwork
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: did not clear, it did not kick in. He continued
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: to draw paychecks from the City of Dallas and did not.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: He either did nothing. Here's the thing, all I know
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: is three years pass to twenty twenty five. City of
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Dallas says, yeah, hey, his name is Ivan Ivonne. I
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: don't know Gonzalez. Yeah, mister Gonzalez, we'd like our one
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars back. He told them, No,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: that's my money. No moral leg to stand on. I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: would think, no legal leg to stand on. What if
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: he spent the money when we had too bad? So sad,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: but just as if the city had stiffed him, if
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: he discovered that the city had stiffed him for one
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars per paycheck for a year, the city would
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: owe him that. Clearly he needs to give them that
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: money back. And I was just I was just I
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: was just kind of stunned that he because here's the thing,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: it's ridiculous we even got to this stage. If he
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: moved and he got one additional paycheck. Okay, maybe you
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: let one, but by the time you get the second one,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: you got to get on the phone of thee Yeah, guys,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I left, and you're still paying me either. He didn't
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: do that. I had one caller say what if he
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: tried to tell him ten times it is the city
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: of Dallas not the picture of efficiency. Maybe he told him, like, guys,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: stop sending me this money, and eventually he does said rude,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I'm keeping it. So anyway, that was that story. Do
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: you think he has any leg to stand on? He's
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: clearly clearly going to lose in court. I would think.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: There's a man who lives in the Dallas Fort Worth
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Metroplex named Greg Anderson, who was my mentor from an
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: early age. In fact, he was my general manager when
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I worked here in Greenville, South Carolina. He was here
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: when I started forty plus years ago. Okay, so that's
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: how far back I go with Greg. He wound up
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: with Sale and Media, and he was my boss for
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: many years before his retirement. He meant so much to
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: me that he was the best man at my wedding.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: He taught me a lot about life and there was
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: a lesson he taught me that is so profound, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: it seems trite, it's cliched, it's simple, but it's true.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Whenever you're faced with a challenge or a conflict, do
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: the right thing, he said. He taught me. You do
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: the right thing in business, you do the right thing.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: In your personal life, you do the right thing. You
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: do what you know to be the right thing to do,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: especially when nobody's looking, especially when.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Nobody's The definition of the definition of character is doing
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the right thing.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Nobody and to do it. And you always do the
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: right thing. And in this case, of course, the right
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: thing is to return the money. And the poor guy,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: he's going to have to beg, borrow or steal. He's
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: got to figure out a way to get that one
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty seven thousand. He may have to go
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: on a payment plan. It wasn't his money, it's not
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: his money, No, it was. But you do the right
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: thing and return the money. And the right thing for
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: me is to call it a rap on a busy
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: day because we've had we've had a we've had a
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: big day, my friend.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: That we have it every day provides just for who
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: knows what will quite literally who knows what we'll do tomorrow.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: That's the definition of this whole thing, because I don't know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I know, you don't know. All I know is everybody's welcome,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: and we hope you'll come join us wherever you find us,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: because we love you.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: See you tomorrow.