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Symba Talks "Results Take Time", Working With Dr. Dre, Label Switch, & More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast Club Morning,
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Speaker 1: everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy. We
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Speaker 1: are to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
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Speaker 1: the building that Angela is already offering alcohol. Yes, well
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Speaker 1: he's already still drunk from last night. So you know
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Speaker 1: what they say that I'm taking all shots to do
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Speaker 1: another one. Come on, let's do Simba, ladies and gentlemen,
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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Man. Simba is one of the most
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Speaker 1: phenomenal lyricists rapping today. First and that is not an understatement.
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Speaker 1: First off, I got to send this shout out to
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Speaker 1: my dog because you've been supporting me for a minute,
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Speaker 1: and it's it's a lot of people that's, you know,
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Speaker 1: at your stature, that feel like they gotta wait to
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Speaker 1: something blow up to post it or support somebody. So
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Speaker 1: I truly respect you on another level, not only just
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Speaker 1: what you did for me, what you do in the
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Speaker 1: therapy community, your book, everything. I really got a lot
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Speaker 1: of respect for you YouTube. I respect what you do
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Speaker 1: a lot. And also my wiffle color a friend over.
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Speaker 1: He's a legend in the game. And I saw Dave
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Speaker 1: Chappelle showing you a lot of love too. That's my guy,
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Speaker 1: that's my god. Dave actually brought me on stage. He
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Speaker 1: had me like rapping for ten minutes or one of
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Speaker 1: the specials. I think it's about to come out soon.
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Speaker 1: How you meet Dave? Just so. I got a friend
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Speaker 1: named Bum who I know through my homie cast and
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Speaker 1: he works with Dave a lot, and he sent Dave
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Speaker 1: one of my freestyles. So Dave had like this, uh
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Speaker 1: this premiere he was doing in Los Angeles. He was like, Mandell,
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Speaker 1: somebody come tell her nigga pull up. So I came
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Speaker 1: through and then we had a good night. We had
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Speaker 1: a few drinks, and then he went back to the
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Speaker 1: comedy store to do like a little private show. And
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Speaker 1: then I'm just sitting on side of the stage. He
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Speaker 1: was like, somebody, nigga come up here and rap. So
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Speaker 1: I went up there a rap for like ten minutes.
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Speaker 1: So it was it was dope shut out to Dave Man.
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Speaker 1: And it's not the fact that you just you can
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Speaker 1: wrap that. You always have socially redeeming value in your wraps,
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Speaker 1: Like there's always some content in that that makes you
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Speaker 1: think when you that big meatch line, when you say
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Speaker 1: big meat changed somewhere dope and Big Farmer Like god
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Speaker 1: d I got that from. I shouldn't even be shouting
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Speaker 1: them out because I'm giving them a free ad. Uh,
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Speaker 1: y'all seem Dope Sick Hulu. It's a show called Dope
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Speaker 1: Sick on Hulu and it's about basically how they created
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Speaker 1: oxycotton and it was showing how many people die from
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Speaker 1: how it was prescribed. So they was trying to basically
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Speaker 1: say that people was abusing the drug, but really they
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Speaker 1: was taking the drug to how I was prescribed to
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Speaker 1: them and people was dying from it in the eighties.
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Speaker 1: So I was watching and I'm like, these motherfuckers so
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Speaker 1: more dope than Big be the ones getting in troubles.
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Speaker 1: I felt like I had a responsibility to say something
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Speaker 1: about it. So let's go back. Let's put because I
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Speaker 1: don't know who Simba is. Yes, sir, where are you from?
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Speaker 1: How'd you get into rapping? And you always say I
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Speaker 1: know they say that you you. I guess growing up
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Speaker 1: you love jay Z and Nas and Big, So let's
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Speaker 1: start from there. So, so where are you from? So
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Speaker 1: in front of the the Bay Area, front of the Bay Area,
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Speaker 1: and my mom was a real estate agent, so My
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Speaker 1: mom moved around a lot. She used to move around
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Speaker 1: from Trenton, New Jersey. I lived in Ben Salem for
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Speaker 1: a little bit, Um Atlantic City, Vegas, LA. So we
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Speaker 1: moved around a lot, and I would always notice that,
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Speaker 1: like Bay Area music, it would hit a ceiling like
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't really go past. So when I moved around
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Speaker 1: as a kid, I'm like, damn, Like, I start wanting
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Speaker 1: to write music and everything, and I was like, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I gotta make my music connect to everybody,
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Speaker 1: and um being on this side as a kid, I
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Speaker 1: gravitated the whole a lot, just how he moved, the
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Speaker 1: things he said. I related to it, um big al
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Speaker 1: even sauce money. I used to listen to a lot
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Speaker 1: of money, you know what I mean. And that's just
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Speaker 1: something that I wanted to incorporate in my music when
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Speaker 1: I started creating for myself. What got you into rapping?
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Speaker 1: Because they said you were nice in sports? Yeah? Man,
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Speaker 1: I got caught cheating on my SAT test? How'd you
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Speaker 1: get caught cheating? We ain't gonna talk about that. I
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Speaker 1: had a nice young lady that was doing something for
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Speaker 1: me and we both got caught up. So I couldn't
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Speaker 1: I couldn't go play ball after that. So through that process,
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Speaker 1: I was sitting at the homie crib for a year,
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Speaker 1: um stubborn, not trying to listen to my coach and everything.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't even like my coach at the time.
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Speaker 1: I still think that Nigga was racistaasketball, But um yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just I was stuck in the crib and my
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Speaker 1: homie crib, and he had a studio, so I just
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Speaker 1: start rapping in his studio every day, and I fell
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Speaker 1: in love with music more than I did with basketball.
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Speaker 1: At the time, I got tired of waking up at
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Speaker 1: six in the morning going to shoot, so I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna just do this and I
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Speaker 1: just stayed at it, got good at it. I'm more
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Speaker 1: concerned about the young lady, man, what happened to her?
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Speaker 1: Don't don't talk about her. You gotta give her a
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Speaker 1: job or something. Man, she cheated on me. You were
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Speaker 1: cheating off. She could go to hill see all this
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Speaker 1: cheating down. So let me ask you this. So you
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Speaker 1: also wrote for a lot of artists too, right, So
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Speaker 1: what's your goal always for you to be the artist
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Speaker 1: or did you enjoy being in the background more at first,
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Speaker 1: my goal was just to get the job done like
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Speaker 1: it was. It was times I used to be in studios,
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Speaker 1: people thought I was just the weed man, but I
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Speaker 1: used to just come through with the weed be talking
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Speaker 1: to everybody rolling up. They'd be like, oh, that's the
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Speaker 1: weed man. They ain't even know our rap. So my
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Speaker 1: job was just like I always looked at it, like
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Speaker 1: do what you gotta do to get to where you
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Speaker 1: want to be. So if I had to write for somebody,
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Speaker 1: if I had to hold somebody bags, if I had
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Speaker 1: to turn the session up and just be the fun
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Speaker 1: person in the room, I was down to do whatever
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Speaker 1: I had to do to get to where I want
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Speaker 1: to be. So that's how I ended up writing because
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, don't write their wraps.
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Speaker 1: So you know, I came in to write a lot
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Speaker 1: of rape people. You're surprised by that, the amount of
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Speaker 1: people I didn't write their own music, I would say,
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Speaker 1: what surprised me more was, um, people that can't rap
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Speaker 1: not writing their rapscause they got a good Yeah, That's
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Speaker 1: that's what shocked me the most. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: as I'm learning this is a business, right, So you
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Speaker 1: got shows, interviews, you on the road sometimes you really
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Speaker 1: ain't got time to sit down and write, dog write
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Speaker 1: or goddamn day like that. So I had to learn that. Um,
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Speaker 1: just even for myself. I'm starting to look for writers
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Speaker 1: to write for me because I ain't got time to
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Speaker 1: just be sitting in the studio no more. You have
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Speaker 1: hooks and just ideas period. Yeah, not versus. I talked
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Speaker 1: to Quentin Miller last night. Shut up, man, I'm serious,
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Speaker 1: I talked to him last night. You're talking. No, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna always write my verses. I just out everything. I
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Speaker 1: write everything, like all my verses, all my freestyles. I
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Speaker 1: write everything. But at the same time, it's things I
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Speaker 1: may miss. Somebody might have an idea or something that
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Speaker 1: I'm not thinking of, you know what I mean, And
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Speaker 1: if that could compliment me. It's a business. We need
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Speaker 1: to hit records. I just ain't trying to be freestyle man, mom.
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Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you said that, because I always
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Speaker 1: when I first heard you, right, this is a while ago,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this dude is really dope. But I
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Speaker 1: hope he can make songs. And I'm old enough to
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Speaker 1: remember these super lyricists that we used to love day
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Speaker 1: freestyles on the coupe, mixtapes and everything, but then they
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Speaker 1: couldn't make songs. Where are they now? Where are they now?
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Speaker 1: Right at the end of the day, this is a business.
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Speaker 1: People know I could rap, but I'm growing, and it's
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Speaker 1: like at this point, I gotta deliver records, you know,
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Speaker 1: And that's what we're giving them. What results take time?
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Speaker 1: This Friday is actual songs. I'm not just rapping on beats.
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Speaker 1: I'm rapping on records. I love the meaning behind the
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Speaker 1: title of results take time. Then you got songs like
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Speaker 1: Overnight and find a Way and Sacrifice. It all tells
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Speaker 1: this story of results taking time that you feel like
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Speaker 1: you're getting the results you're looking for. Definitely, Definitely. I'm
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Speaker 1: somebody that embraced the process all the way around. So
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Speaker 1: it's like I remember doing shows in the Bay I
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Speaker 1: had like three people in there. Moved la ain't nobody
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Speaker 1: knew me. I do shows at the Roxy be about
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Speaker 1: fifteen people in there. I just sold the Roxy y'ard
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Speaker 1: last month. Wow. So that was a real like accomplishment
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Speaker 1: for me because it was letting me know, like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: things is working and you're growing as an artist. Let's
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Speaker 1: just continue to get better. You go from a sound
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Speaker 1: like a own to go yeah you know, and so
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Speaker 1: first it's unknomber. Now the status is you are striving
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Speaker 1: to be the goat of all of this, and that
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Speaker 1: should be the goal for anybody that who wanted to
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Speaker 1: be second or third, or fourth or fifth. We all
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Speaker 1: in this to be number one. I'm sure when y'all
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Speaker 1: got in this game, you all didn't look like I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna be the third best person on you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Content media is like, no, I'm here to
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Speaker 1: be the best. That's that's what it's about. I was
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Speaker 1: gonna ask you with moving around, of course, rest in
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Speaker 1: peace to PMB. Yes, sir, we're moving around. You know.
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Speaker 1: You said you were in Trenton, You said you were
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Speaker 1: in Vegas, you were in Atlantic City, were in California.
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Speaker 1: You've been in New York the last couple of days.
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Speaker 1: Talk to the people about New LA culture when it
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Speaker 1: comes to streets in Lafite. Sometimes I think people when
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Speaker 1: they go to La, it's sunny, it's beautiful, it's palm trees,
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Speaker 1: it's nice cars, beautiful people, expensive stores, But they don't
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Speaker 1: understand that it's it could get nasty. So the first
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Speaker 1: thing you got to realize. I'm from the Bay Area,
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Speaker 1: So the first thing I learned about LA is it's
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Speaker 1: a different between LA and Hollywood. A lot of us
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Speaker 1: think Hollywood is LA. Hollywood is not La. That's Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: LA is something different. It's protocol. It's people you gotta
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Speaker 1: tap in with. You can't just move around LA thinking
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Speaker 1: everything's gonna be cool, especially right now. You know, we
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Speaker 1: just got out this pandemic. Niggas don't hit for that
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Speaker 1: PPP money. They didn't got them loans, they didn't created
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Speaker 1: a new lifestyle, got new cars and new cribs, and
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Speaker 1: they gotta pay for this ship. So everybody outside looking
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Speaker 1: for somebody to get So we as artists, we gotta
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Speaker 1: be more responsible about the things we do. Like security
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Speaker 1: only costs shiit three four hundred dollars, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like make sure you got a security guard
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Speaker 1: with you. I think when you say tapping, you know
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Speaker 1: that that term tapping has affected people for years, especially artists,
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Speaker 1: because niggas got egos, right, they got egos and too
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Speaker 1: much pride. But I'm never too pride for to protect myself.
9:50
Speaker 1: I got a kid. I gotta get back home too,
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Speaker 1: I got a mama, you know what I mean. So
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Speaker 1: it's like I'm never gonna just be out here moving
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Speaker 1: reckless or doing things that I just think I'm free.
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Speaker 1: I got ship one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth
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Speaker 1: for jury on. I'm not just feeling go. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know if you want to say that. I'm just look,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't wearing it last night at the Brooklyn jop out.
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Speaker 1: That's right, you're in the interview. That's real. That's right.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna leave it the word
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Speaker 1: needed to be. It's like, I'm not trying to flex
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Speaker 1: on nobody to keep it real. I don't even like
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Speaker 1: wearing this shit. It's just like a rapper costume for real.
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Speaker 1: It's like a business card, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: But I don't like wearing it because it's really kind
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Speaker 1: of like a symbol, like stunting on your own people.
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Speaker 1: It's like we get money to show people I got
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Speaker 1: more than you. It's like, I think that's some lame shit.
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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna stop wearing jury. I feel like
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Speaker 1: you're saying, you know what, I want us to start
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Speaker 1: flexing about, Like how many people were we were causing
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Speaker 1: to get the work, you know, I mean, how many
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Speaker 1: jobs are you creating backs for people? How many businesses
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Speaker 1: are you creating to create an opportunity for the folks.
10:48
Speaker 1: That's what we need to start talking to backs, And
10:50
Speaker 1: that's that's the most important thing. Like I got my
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Speaker 1: best friend right here. We've been together since forever, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But it's like now he comes
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Speaker 1: the streets like the street streets. He didn't been in
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Speaker 1: a lot of ship jail, he'd been shot everything, but
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Speaker 1: his mind on being an executive now, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. He was in the room last night with
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Speaker 1: Julie Greenwald, you know what I mean, talking to Mike
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Speaker 1: Kaiser now, So it's it's different, Like that's the goal
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Speaker 1: is for us to make it out of these circumstances
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Speaker 1: to provide more opportunities for the people we around and
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Speaker 1: people we could bring up as well. Atlantic records that
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Speaker 1: you just brought up, right, yes, um, so before that
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Speaker 1: you were signed to Columbia. It was terrible, all right?
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Speaker 1: What makes it terrible? And what made you feel like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm ready to sign to another major Because sometimes people
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Speaker 1: do a major label deal, they get so turned off
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Speaker 1: They're like, I'm not doing that again. So how did
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Speaker 1: you know that was the right situation? And what was
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Speaker 1: terrible about Columbia? So when you when you're a new artist,
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Speaker 1: like this ship don't come with no brochure, so the
11:47
Speaker 1: only way for you to get the information is to
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Speaker 1: fuck up a little bit. So when I could, I customer. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So when I first got my deal, I realized fast
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Speaker 1: like I'm not a priority, and I played this room.
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Speaker 1: So I got my advance and I blew my money
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Speaker 1: like in like three weeks old people. I had to
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Speaker 1: pay certain things back when bar closed, when and bought
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Speaker 1: a Maserati, when and got a new apartment. Everything. It
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Speaker 1: was nice that it was nice, But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do with that advance was
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Speaker 1: created infrastructure for myself. So when I got out of
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Speaker 1: that deal and I got my new deal, the first
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Speaker 1: thing I did bought a laptop, bought my cameraman a camera,
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Speaker 1: hired a digital team, hired my own pr hied my
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Speaker 1: own people around me that could help advise me to
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Speaker 1: move forward rather than just spending the money on myself.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's artists sometimes we gotta realize, like
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Speaker 1: we just not rappers, were business right, and as a business,
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Speaker 1: you gotta run it like a business. You need people
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Speaker 1: and play to help you sustain where you're trying to go.
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Speaker 1: So that was one thing I learned. But also it
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Speaker 1: was a regime change, so I can't say it was
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Speaker 1: terrible because the people who brought me in was great.
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Speaker 1: They just had left at the time. They went to
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Speaker 1: a different label. So when they left, Columbia was going
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Speaker 1: into a new business model to where they only wanted
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Speaker 1: like TikTok artists, and they wanted like social media artists
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Speaker 1: and shit like that. And I feel like I'm a
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Speaker 1: word of mouth artist. I'm somebody that you gotta meet,
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Speaker 1: you gotta touch me, you gotta smell me, you gotta
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Speaker 1: feel me. I'm not just gonna get on there and
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Speaker 1: do a dance and then go up. So they ended
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Speaker 1: up letting me go. I was independent for a little while,
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Speaker 1: me and my homie trying to figure it out, spending money,
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Speaker 1: and I ran into Dallas Martin, and Dallas Martin kind
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Speaker 1: of changed my life for real. That's like the first
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Speaker 1: A and R that really like set with me and
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Speaker 1: gave me the game and be with me to this day.
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Speaker 1: We was together last night till four this morning, and
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Speaker 1: he up at the office right now. That's my dog
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Speaker 1: shout out to Dallas. You know, I like what you
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Speaker 1: were saying earlier too, just about how you move as
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Speaker 1: an artist, saying saying it's okay to have security, because
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Speaker 1: we're a culture that literally bragged about being in the
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Speaker 1: hood with all our jewry on. With no security, yes,
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Speaker 1: we'd be bragging about the wrong shit, Like, um, it's
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Speaker 1: stupid to go around a bunch of kids and young
14:12
Speaker 1: men who fighting for these things, like they can't even
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Speaker 1: really feed themselves, you know what I mean, and you
14:17
Speaker 1: round them with this big ass chain that's gonna make
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Speaker 1: them feel some type of way. So you gotta protect yourself.
14:23
Speaker 1: You ain't being no sucker or you ain't being dumb.
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Speaker 1: You know you're being smart, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: So you gotta protect yourself, like I have eyes, everybody
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Speaker 1: to get security, especially today, because these young boys today
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Speaker 1: like they different, they different, gonna run up on you
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Speaker 1: any place anytime, y'all. Seeing y'all seeing Philly, Philly, Reddit man,
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Speaker 1: I was just in Philly with will on Gilly, my
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Speaker 1: brothers Um, and they showed me this YouTube page called
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Speaker 1: Philly Reddit, and it's like all these kids that's just
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Speaker 1: like dissing each other and killing each other, like they
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Speaker 1: literally doing the police job for him, literally don't care.
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Speaker 1: They grabbing like ring footage from people's doors, stopped showing
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Speaker 1: the person that walked the dude down four blocks. Then
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Speaker 1: it's like a whole investigation. Dan on YouTube, it's like,
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Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta do better, man, we gotta do better.
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Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on you know that this was big
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Speaker 1: in the last couple of months where artists they're using
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Speaker 1: the artist lyrics in court. I don't agree with telling
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Speaker 1: them on each other though themselves. So it's two sides
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Speaker 1: to that, right, Um, I don't agree with that because
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, as a detective or
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Speaker 1: police whatever, you still gotta do your job. So I
15:33
Speaker 1: don't think your job should be minimized to what somebody
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Speaker 1: saying in their song. Now, the problem with that is
15:41
Speaker 1: if somebody actually dies and you get on a song
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Speaker 1: and say where this person died and what you did
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Speaker 1: and how I went down, that's your fault. That's what's
15:50
Speaker 1: happening though, that's your fault. It's not like people. It's
15:52
Speaker 1: not like they just listening to the wraps and saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: he just talked about killing somebody. Let's go it actually happened,
15:57
Speaker 1: actually happen. It actually happened. So if it's actually happened,
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Speaker 1: and you can't you can't get mad at than people
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Speaker 1: because you're making it a lot more easier. But if
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Speaker 1: if they're using this against you and this is something
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Speaker 1: you was enhancing or something that didn't really happen, and
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Speaker 1: I canna understand where it could feel unfair. But at
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Speaker 1: the same time, if you're just getting on there just
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Speaker 1: saying what actually happened, it's like, bro, that's your fault.
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel bad for you at all. Now,
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Speaker 1: what's your relationship with stat quote? Because on the project, say, man,
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Speaker 1: you said he told you something that you wasn't feeling.
16:27
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to say, I don't want
16:28
Speaker 1: to make it say it. I don't want to. I
16:30
Speaker 1: can't remember what told me my music would never hit
16:33
Speaker 1: And if I ain't have a gimmick, then people wouldn't
16:35
Speaker 1: give him a ship. Yes, it's crazy how nigga who
16:37
Speaker 1: ain't list to make you feel like you can't go
16:39
Speaker 1: where you trying to get. Now watch that quote, get
16:41
Speaker 1: that shot man, because stat and I got a love
16:45
Speaker 1: for Stat. Right. It wasn't like me trying to like
16:48
Speaker 1: tear him down or nothing. But at the same time, right,
16:51
Speaker 1: he's an older black man and I was a young
16:54
Speaker 1: black man, still a young black man, but at the time,
16:56
Speaker 1: it's like, bro, don't just tell me where I'm going
16:58
Speaker 1: wrong without giving me some advice on how to get
17:01
Speaker 1: it right. You just tearing me down in front of people.
17:04
Speaker 1: So we used to be in these offices and he
17:06
Speaker 1: had just oh, you ain't got no identity. Oh you
17:08
Speaker 1: need to grow your hair out, you need to do this,
17:10
Speaker 1: you need to do it. I'm like, bro, why I
17:12
Speaker 1: gotta do that? Like, what's what's another way we could
17:14
Speaker 1: do it? You can never tell me. He didn't know
17:17
Speaker 1: though exactly exactly, you know what I mean. So it's like,
17:21
Speaker 1: don't put what happened to you on me, Like, help
17:24
Speaker 1: me get it right as a young black man. Don't
17:25
Speaker 1: just tear me down in front of these people and
17:27
Speaker 1: ruined my opportunity because yours didn't work, you know what
17:30
Speaker 1: I mean. So it was like I had to say
17:32
Speaker 1: something about that because I feel like this the first
17:34
Speaker 1: time in the world watching me, and I want them
17:36
Speaker 1: to know what I've been through. So what's the connection? Though,
17:37
Speaker 1: I was like, what's doing The Stat worked at the
17:39
Speaker 1: label I was originally, yet before last he was at
17:42
Speaker 1: Colombia Zan over there. Yeah, he had Little zan as
17:46
Speaker 1: his artists. I used to imagine me coming in office,
17:50
Speaker 1: rapping high wrapping. He got little Zan and you're telling
17:52
Speaker 1: me what the funk I'm doing wrong? You got a point?
17:55
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, bro, get it right. You
17:58
Speaker 1: have to He heard that I heard recently. It ain't
18:02
Speaker 1: but my boy sent it to him because he cool.
18:05
Speaker 1: Was that he out there Marcus, but he sent it
18:08
Speaker 1: to him and he felt the way. But it's like
18:09
Speaker 1: I felt the way, you know what I mean when
18:12
Speaker 1: he was putting me on blast in front of these people,
18:14
Speaker 1: rather than like helping me trying to get it right,
18:16
Speaker 1: he was just tearing me down. It's kind of crazy
18:18
Speaker 1: Stack called he's a rapper rapper, so it's like, I'm like,
18:21
Speaker 1: I thought I would feel like he would see you. Man.
18:24
Speaker 1: Stat used to tell me I'll never sell a ticket.
18:27
Speaker 1: I can't please that was talking like that. You ain't
18:30
Speaker 1: got no identity. You need to learn how to do this.
18:32
Speaker 1: You your clothes is terrible. What are you wearing? I'm like, bro, Okay,
18:37
Speaker 1: help me get it right. Don't just tell me where
18:40
Speaker 1: I'm going wrong. Help me get it right. Jo for Stat,
18:42
Speaker 1: and I don't know the brother, but he might have
18:44
Speaker 1: been That's what they might have been telling him, for sure,
18:46
Speaker 1: he was coming up. For sure. I actually know Stat
18:48
Speaker 1: quote pretty well because I worked with on tour together
18:52
Speaker 1: and everything, and I remember his manager, Zeke, and you
18:55
Speaker 1: know the things that Stat went through. And then I
18:57
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting when he did start going on
19:00
Speaker 1: the other side of things and being an A and R. No,
19:02
Speaker 1: but that was dope as as that making that transition.
19:06
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something we got we all got
19:07
Speaker 1: to understand. As artist is like music ain't gonna last forever,
19:11
Speaker 1: so you gotta do it again someplace else. Fifty did
19:14
Speaker 1: it in film and television, Jay did it in business,
19:17
Speaker 1: Kanye doing it in fashion. Stat did it in an
19:20
Speaker 1: executive role, right, but as an executive. Bro, don't just
19:23
Speaker 1: tearing me down right, you know what I mean. Don't
19:25
Speaker 1: just tell me what I'm doing wrong. Tell me how
19:28
Speaker 1: I could get it right. I'm not no sensitive ass
19:30
Speaker 1: person I see, because I mean, you would like, just
19:32
Speaker 1: tell me what to do, just tell me what they're doing.
19:34
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it right. But he would never tell
19:36
Speaker 1: me that he had just tearing me down. But not
19:38
Speaker 1: only that, you, I guess you look at it like
19:40
Speaker 1: he was in your position. So the fact that he
19:42
Speaker 1: got power, he should be pulling up all the Yeah,
19:45
Speaker 1: I watch you do it with people like you were
19:47
Speaker 1: giving people real estate game. You know what I mean,
19:49
Speaker 1: you tell people where to get it right. There's a
19:51
Speaker 1: lot of people I didn't talk to this to say
19:53
Speaker 1: you Envy put me on this. So Envy didn't put
19:55
Speaker 1: me on that. That's what we got to do as
19:56
Speaker 1: a people. We already like what we like thirteen per
20:00
Speaker 1: senator population, so we already out numbered. So it's important
20:03
Speaker 1: for us to kind of like give each other the
20:05
Speaker 1: information so we could get it right to move forward.
20:07
Speaker 1: You talk about Dallas and how as an an R
20:10
Speaker 1: he's really helped you a lot. So what are some
20:12
Speaker 1: things that Dallas told you that have helped you? Dallas
20:15
Speaker 1: is like, first off, I don't think No. A and
20:18
Speaker 1: R work harder than Dallas. Dallas, don't Dallas be at
20:22
Speaker 1: the studio longer than the artist. It's times I didn't
20:25
Speaker 1: went home and went to sleep and he calling me
20:27
Speaker 1: at five in the morning with a feature he didn't
20:28
Speaker 1: put on the song. It's times where he didn't told me, Bro,
20:32
Speaker 1: you shouldn't put this in the video because you're gonna
20:34
Speaker 1: come across this certain way. You shouldn't speak about these things.
20:37
Speaker 1: Say it in a different way. Having an identity, understanding
20:42
Speaker 1: who you are as an artist, what's your message? Who
20:44
Speaker 1: you speaking? To build your underbelly out first before you
20:47
Speaker 1: chase a hit record. So imagine A and R telling
20:50
Speaker 1: you that when they usually gonna tell you we need
20:53
Speaker 1: to hit, we need to hit, but atlantic they allow
20:55
Speaker 1: you time to develop. So Dallas always gave me the
20:58
Speaker 1: time to develop my family base and develop who who
21:01
Speaker 1: I was, especially within the pandemic because I had a
21:03
Speaker 1: big moment with the freestyles, Lebron posting me, Shaq posting me.
21:08
Speaker 1: But I can't go outside and do a show. I
21:10
Speaker 1: can't go outside and host nothing. I can't go meet y'all.
21:13
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I can't do nothing song.
21:15
Speaker 1: I'm stuck. So he had put me back in the studio. Okay,
21:17
Speaker 1: let's move forward, Let's try this, Let's try this type
21:20
Speaker 1: of song. People feeling this type of way in the house.
21:23
Speaker 1: Let's make something for that. Let's do a freestyle for that.
21:25
Speaker 1: So he's been with me like every step of the way,
21:28
Speaker 1: just giving me game, telling me when I'm wrong, telling
21:31
Speaker 1: me when I'm right, and I appreciating for that, and
21:34
Speaker 1: I love never end up broke, you know. And on
21:37
Speaker 1: that record, you know, the hook is money can't buy
21:39
Speaker 1: back time, my nigga. Yeah, what does that line mean
21:41
Speaker 1: to you? Like sometimes like sometimes we get money and
21:47
Speaker 1: think we could go back and correct the things in
21:48
Speaker 1: the past, right, but it already happened. So it's like
21:52
Speaker 1: you gotta get that money and move forward and make
21:54
Speaker 1: sure you don't make them say mistakes that you made
21:56
Speaker 1: in the past. You can't. Just like most people get
21:59
Speaker 1: brand try to go back and get the girl that
22:01
Speaker 1: turned them down. Like nigga, she passed you. You know
22:04
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, She run around with Julio Jones, like,
22:07
Speaker 1: go let her go, let her do. That sounds very personal,
22:09
Speaker 1: No it's not. I'm just saying. You know, I'm a
22:16
Speaker 1: time Brady fan, so I know you got Julio now,
22:19
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So shout out the time
22:21
Speaker 1: of Julio Jones. But um, you can't go back in
22:23
Speaker 1: the in the past and change things because you got
22:25
Speaker 1: money now. But you could learn from those things and
22:28
Speaker 1: let your money be applied to where it is you
22:30
Speaker 1: trying to move forward to. So that's that's really where
22:33
Speaker 1: it came. If you could buy it back time, what
22:36
Speaker 1: time would you buy it back time in your life?
22:38
Speaker 1: Would you buy Trying to build a relationship with my dad,
22:42
Speaker 1: I never got to really meet my dad. My dad
22:44
Speaker 1: went to jail when I was one, and he died
22:46
Speaker 1: in prison, and he died on some like some jankie
22:51
Speaker 1: shit Like we're still trying to figure it out, you
22:54
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I never really got like
22:56
Speaker 1: a father figure in my life. My mama was like
22:58
Speaker 1: both roles. So it's a lot that I feel like
23:01
Speaker 1: I could have. Um, I probably wouldn't have been a
23:04
Speaker 1: rapper if I had my dad in my life. I think, yeah,
23:06
Speaker 1: I probably would have done something different. But um me
23:10
Speaker 1: looking for a male father figure, I looked up the rappers,
23:13
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I looked up the whole
23:14
Speaker 1: Hove taught me how to talk to women. Both taught
23:17
Speaker 1: me how to represent myself, and I learned that from
23:19
Speaker 1: hip hop. Um, but not having a dad in my life,
23:22
Speaker 1: it kind of like hindered me a little bit. You know,
23:25
Speaker 1: I didn't go to college. That's something I probably would
23:27
Speaker 1: have did. Um. Respecting women a lot more, you know
23:32
Speaker 1: what I mean. Coming from the Bay, we kind of
23:34
Speaker 1: come from this pimp culture, you know, and ogs tell
23:37
Speaker 1: us do that. But it's like, man, that ain't it
23:40
Speaker 1: ain't really the way we should be operating now here
23:43
Speaker 1: as black men. You right, we did a lip service
23:45
Speaker 1: live in the Bay, and let me tell you it
23:47
Speaker 1: was wow. I the guys and us, like all of
23:50
Speaker 1: us going back and forth. Ye just how they were
23:52
Speaker 1: talking and how we were talking about it. It was
23:54
Speaker 1: like a cultural thing. Yeah. No, we we got a
23:57
Speaker 1: crazy uh mentality the way we kind of seat the
24:00
Speaker 1: things in the Bay. Um. But I'm trying to like
24:03
Speaker 1: break that cycle a little bit because we gotta we
24:05
Speaker 1: gotta respect our people more. It ain't just about you know,
24:09
Speaker 1: women or men. It's about us as a hole, as
24:12
Speaker 1: a community. So we gotta respect our people more. I
24:15
Speaker 1: don't think people should P and B Rock, you know
24:17
Speaker 1: what I mean? Rest in peace, P and B rock.
24:19
Speaker 1: I don't think somebody should lose their life because they
24:21
Speaker 1: gotta chain on, you know what I mean. You're gonna
24:24
Speaker 1: grab this chain, get what five ten thousand dollars from
24:27
Speaker 1: and spend that ship in two weeks and then you're
24:29
Speaker 1: gonna be looking to rob and kill somebody else. Like,
24:31
Speaker 1: we gotta put more respect on our people. And that's
24:34
Speaker 1: only if you stay free, which I doubt's gonna happen,
24:36
Speaker 1: which exactly trying to find out they're looking at all
24:39
Speaker 1: the pun shops now to see who is going to
24:41
Speaker 1: turn in this chain and try to get that just
24:45
Speaker 1: made me feel like the cops don't have a have
24:46
Speaker 1: a lead, which is wild for something like that to
24:49
Speaker 1: happen in Roscols and the like with all them cameras,
24:51
Speaker 1: they've got to go wild Roscos though, they say people
24:55
Speaker 1: normally when they do that, they try to sell it
24:57
Speaker 1: really fast. They're not gonna go to no pun shot.
25:00
Speaker 1: But the problem is they'll sell it to somebody. Somebody
25:03
Speaker 1: gonna say that they sold it to him. This person
25:05
Speaker 1: gonna tell somebody, that person gonna tell somebody, and before
25:08
Speaker 1: you know it, they caught up in an indictment. They
25:10
Speaker 1: didn't lost their life. Yeah, I was gonna ask, no,
25:13
Speaker 1: I'll go back to your father recause I'm glad that
25:15
Speaker 1: you you said that because there's so many men that
25:17
Speaker 1: are starting to have that conversation now about wanting that
25:20
Speaker 1: connection with their fathers, you know. I mean I told
25:22
Speaker 1: people all the time. First time I had to break
25:24
Speaker 1: through in therapy was realizing that the daddy issues that
25:27
Speaker 1: I that I had. And I'm just like, I'm just
25:28
Speaker 1: glad that you're saying that out loud, because man, we'd
25:31
Speaker 1: be backing like fathers are disposable. Nah, bro we eat that.
25:34
Speaker 1: Like I just had a son, like my son two
25:36
Speaker 1: years old, so I'll be watching him just do little
25:38
Speaker 1: things I do. Um, So it'd be making me aware
25:41
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, let me not smoking my videos, you
25:45
Speaker 1: know what I mean, let me not drink so much
25:47
Speaker 1: around him, Like, let me do certain things to where
25:49
Speaker 1: he could look at me as a role model. I
25:51
Speaker 1: ain't had it. I used to look to other men
25:53
Speaker 1: for that. Like I remember when the All Star Game
25:57
Speaker 1: in two thousand, it came to Oakland, and Um, I
26:00
Speaker 1: went to the game with my cuddie h David and
26:03
Speaker 1: his dad, right, um, and I was just watching them,
26:07
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, Like he like, look, son,
26:09
Speaker 1: we're getting autographs from like Kevin Gardonett and Shack and everybody.
26:12
Speaker 1: But he running up on him like, hey, you could
26:14
Speaker 1: sign this for my son? Who And I'm just like, damn,
26:17
Speaker 1: I wish I had that, you know what I mean?
26:19
Speaker 1: Like I wish I had somebody to do that for me.
26:21
Speaker 1: But it was always my mama. And there's a woman
26:24
Speaker 1: like they ain't in the sports, you know what I mean,
26:27
Speaker 1: or like they've been in certain things we into as
26:29
Speaker 1: young black men. So it's like it's only so much
26:31
Speaker 1: she could tell me. So not having that in my life,
26:34
Speaker 1: I feel like it it hindered me a little bit
26:37
Speaker 1: to where I learned a lot of things later that
26:39
Speaker 1: I had to unlearn what things I had to unlearn.
26:42
Speaker 1: It I thought was the right thing you should do
26:44
Speaker 1: because I didn't have a male figure in my life
26:45
Speaker 1: to tell me that. So is that why you took
26:47
Speaker 1: the name Symbol? Nah? That shit just came from me
26:50
Speaker 1: watching The Lion King too much, That's what I mean.
26:52
Speaker 1: Symbol lost move Fossil had to figure it out for sure.
26:56
Speaker 1: Still never watch the Lion King. You never seen the
26:59
Speaker 1: Lion King and she's never been to Disneylan. I went
27:01
Speaker 1: to the play out of Pocket, but I just haven't
27:08
Speaker 1: seen the movie. But you ain't never seen the movie.
27:11
Speaker 1: And they got a new one. You ain't even seen
27:13
Speaker 1: the new one. The new ones trash you out of pocket?
27:15
Speaker 1: So why why why did you take the name Simbo?
27:17
Speaker 1: What about that character resonated with you? Well, originally I
27:20
Speaker 1: used to just watch the line King a lot as
27:22
Speaker 1: a kid. So my mom used to work like three
27:25
Speaker 1: different jobs. So I will always go to my grandma
27:28
Speaker 1: house and I had all my cousins over there, shut Out, Sway, Kenny, Danny,
27:33
Speaker 1: baby Al. I used to always be in Berkeley with
27:36
Speaker 1: my family and um. I used to watch just the
27:39
Speaker 1: Lion King a lot, and everybody to just be like
27:41
Speaker 1: you little Simba, Like that's all you wanted to watch,
27:43
Speaker 1: a little Simba. So that was my name. When I
27:45
Speaker 1: was playing basketball, they'd be like little Simba. So when
27:48
Speaker 1: I stopped playing, already had the nickname, and I just
27:50
Speaker 1: ran with it. Wow, you know that movie is really
27:52
Speaker 1: if you know, I wrote about this in the last
27:54
Speaker 1: chapter in my book. It that's really the play of
27:57
Speaker 1: the black person in America. You know what I mean?
27:59
Speaker 1: If you watched if you watch the linking. But you
28:01
Speaker 1: know what's crazy too, I'll be noticing, like he noticed,
28:05
Speaker 1: like all Disney movies be kind of starting off with death,
28:10
Speaker 1: like the character be dying in the beginning, and then
28:12
Speaker 1: the kid just kind of be trying to figure it out.
28:14
Speaker 1: Like I always wonder why that is. It's a good
28:17
Speaker 1: story arc, you know, because you get stay especially in
28:19
Speaker 1: the Lion King like that story in particular, like he's
28:22
Speaker 1: supposed to be king, like he was born to be
28:25
Speaker 1: king King. It's like, yo, nobody taught him to be
28:28
Speaker 1: that king, you know so, but once he was just reminded.
28:30
Speaker 1: It was kind of like in his DNA, you know,
28:33
Speaker 1: they figured it out. We're going always fine. Words came
28:40
Speaker 1: out in the bay. Was the babe very supportive? Hell,
28:43
Speaker 1: because you don't have a bait a babe. Man, I
28:46
Speaker 1: went through so much, I say a line on the project.
28:50
Speaker 1: Kar told me I needed a feature from Cafani if
28:53
Speaker 1: I wanted to support Canar. Was this program director in
28:56
Speaker 1: the bay from the time, and um, like I said,
28:59
Speaker 1: I would move around with my mom and I would
29:01
Speaker 1: notice we kept hitting the ceiling, So I'll bring my
29:04
Speaker 1: music up there, like yo, I'm trying to expand our salve.
29:06
Speaker 1: I'm trying to touch every region. They'd be like, Nah,
29:09
Speaker 1: that ain't it. That ain't it. You need something faster,
29:11
Speaker 1: You need a club record, you need this. I'm like, bro,
29:14
Speaker 1: that ain't who I am. You know what I mean?
29:15
Speaker 1: We got artists to make music for the club. Let
29:17
Speaker 1: me make music for when they own the way home.
29:20
Speaker 1: Let me make music for when they're getting up in
29:21
Speaker 1: the morning and going to work. And people just used
29:24
Speaker 1: to like bash me for that a little bit, like
29:26
Speaker 1: I was doing something wrong. But the people rocked with
29:28
Speaker 1: me though, like the people in the bay always rocked
29:32
Speaker 1: with me. It was just the politics that looked at
29:34
Speaker 1: me like a weirdo, like I was doing something wrong
29:36
Speaker 1: or breaking culture when I was just trying to expand
29:38
Speaker 1: it for real. Put us on the who Kafani is?
29:40
Speaker 1: Because I thought, you said, Ki, see how crazy that
29:42
Speaker 1: is and shout out to Kafani. Kafani is an artist.
29:48
Speaker 1: But like you just said, you don't even know who
29:50
Speaker 1: that is. But when I heard that line, I was like, Kalani,
29:52
Speaker 1: But they made me feel like I had to be
29:54
Speaker 1: him to make it up here. So he's an artist
29:57
Speaker 1: from the artists. Remember that song fast, like the NASCAR
30:00
Speaker 1: NASCAR NASCAR fast. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, So they used
30:04
Speaker 1: to tell me make records like that when I'm rapping
30:06
Speaker 1: like this, everybody had it, they had because I'm filled
30:10
Speaker 1: up feeling I'm fee they put me through it all.
30:17
Speaker 1: Do you still write for other artists now? Hell yeah,
30:20
Speaker 1: I can't tell you who, but yeah, I'm writing people's
30:24
Speaker 1: freestyles now when they go to the radio. Is it
30:31
Speaker 1: easier for you to write for other people than to
30:33
Speaker 1: write for yourself, like to tell made up fictional things.
30:36
Speaker 1: It's way easier because a lot of artists, like with me,
30:39
Speaker 1: I have trouble making songs about nothing. So you know,
30:43
Speaker 1: some artists could just be in there talk about their car,
30:45
Speaker 1: how many women they got, how many shoes they didn't bought.
30:48
Speaker 1: I have a hard time making songs about that. So
30:51
Speaker 1: I'll be needing like a concept, what I'm gonna say,
30:54
Speaker 1: how I'm going to approach this. And then for some artists,
30:57
Speaker 1: like they just want some dope lyrics, you know what
30:59
Speaker 1: I mean? So I just make a bunch of shit
31:00
Speaker 1: rhyme and give it to him and they rock with it.
31:02
Speaker 1: So who is your favorite MSS lyricists that you love?
31:05
Speaker 1: To listen to now Future Future Future is probably my
31:09
Speaker 1: favorite rapper ever. People sleep on Future so much. Remember
31:12
Speaker 1: remember when it was having that Mount Rushmore conversation and
31:14
Speaker 1: it was like Kendrick Drake J Cole, I'm like future
31:18
Speaker 1: facts of the last decade facts, no respecting nobody else
31:22
Speaker 1: for future change culture facts. And I think because it's
31:25
Speaker 1: not the traditional way of hip hop, people look at
31:29
Speaker 1: it as if he not lyrical. But he's very lyrical.
31:32
Speaker 1: Like you really listen in detail what he say. He's
31:35
Speaker 1: very lyrical, and it's a lot that I learned from him,
31:37
Speaker 1: just slowing my pockets down, you know what I mean,
31:40
Speaker 1: how to reroute my words in certain things. So shout
31:42
Speaker 1: out the Future man. He definitely in my top five.
31:45
Speaker 1: I ain't reach out to him. Four re gonna take time.
31:47
Speaker 1: I see you got a key glout going. Then you
31:49
Speaker 1: see Megan Stallion two fifty four feature. I ain't got that.
31:57
Speaker 1: You got Roddy Rich, but I guess y'all understand that's
31:59
Speaker 1: my dog. Though me and Roddy had a song before
32:01
Speaker 1: this one, we just couldn't get the sample cleared, so
32:04
Speaker 1: it never came out. But I've been knowing Roddy for
32:06
Speaker 1: a minute, and he always just rocked with me. Like
32:08
Speaker 1: Roddy was the one person that allowed me to like
32:12
Speaker 1: have a course side seat to his success. So I
32:15
Speaker 1: was in there when he made every season, you know
32:17
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I was in certain sessions Kifa,
32:20
Speaker 1: which is a part of his team, that's my dog.
32:22
Speaker 1: So I was able to actually see him go from
32:24
Speaker 1: like nothing to a diamond record, you know what I mean.
32:28
Speaker 1: And he allowed me to be in certain studio sessions
32:30
Speaker 1: and everything. And the way the record happened was through Dallas.
32:35
Speaker 1: You know. I had just came back from New York.
32:37
Speaker 1: I was doing this what was he doing? Me? And
32:40
Speaker 1: Drama was in the studio doing them the Gangster Grills.
32:44
Speaker 1: I came back, I had this photo shoot that was
32:46
Speaker 1: like it was like a twelve hour photo shoot. I
32:50
Speaker 1: went to the studio, I was tired, went home, went
32:52
Speaker 1: to sleep. Dallas called me at like four in the morning.
32:56
Speaker 1: Roddy had just pulled up and he listened to the
32:58
Speaker 1: whole project front to back. He was like, Bromby to
33:01
Speaker 1: jump on this right now. And that's actually one of
33:03
Speaker 1: my favorite verses on the project because he's actually telling
33:07
Speaker 1: me what happens at the next level, you know what
33:10
Speaker 1: I mean. So he telling me, when you get your
33:12
Speaker 1: Richard takes some time to process. You got to keep
33:14
Speaker 1: it prolific through the progress, stay solid for your dog
33:16
Speaker 1: on the foe yard, even if you pjed up with
33:18
Speaker 1: the gold yard, you know what I mean. So like
33:21
Speaker 1: that was that meant a lot to me, just because
33:23
Speaker 1: Bro always rock with me, always rock with him, and
33:25
Speaker 1: for like mom moment he gave me that verse. Who's
33:28
Speaker 1: you connect with? Fronk? I know Roddy. Roddy was under
33:31
Speaker 1: Nip as well at one point. So who you connect with? First?
33:33
Speaker 1: Nipper ridycause I saw you on the Fax podcast The
33:35
Speaker 1: Fuzzy and Q shout out the fuzz and que for sure.
33:37
Speaker 1: I met Nip in like twenty twelve in Atlanta. I
33:41
Speaker 1: met Nip twenty twelve. And this one, like, uh, cookies
33:47
Speaker 1: first came out, y'all know, burning so in the bay
33:50
Speaker 1: we had the cookies before anybody knew it. So Cookies,
33:53
Speaker 1: if you ever smoke it, it got this distinct smell,
33:56
Speaker 1: like you could just smell it. You could tell from
33:58
Speaker 1: anywhere it said, you know what it is? And we
34:00
Speaker 1: was in Atlanta and we were smoking in the club
34:02
Speaker 1: and then Nip kind of came over. He was like, hey, bro,
34:06
Speaker 1: He's like, what what's that y'all smoking? You know, It's
34:10
Speaker 1: like it's because he's like, let me get some of that.
34:11
Speaker 1: I'm like, boy, you Nipsy, I ain't about to tell
34:13
Speaker 1: you know, weed, you got this ship? You feel me?
34:15
Speaker 1: So uh, we ended up smoking. He gave me his number.
34:19
Speaker 1: He was like, if you ever get back to La,
34:21
Speaker 1: hitting me up. And I straight up live to him.
34:24
Speaker 1: It was like, I live in La, live in La.
34:30
Speaker 1: And he was like, all right, well hit me when
34:31
Speaker 1: you get there. So I flew back to the Bay
34:34
Speaker 1: like two days later, and my car was parked at
34:37
Speaker 1: the airport and I got in the car and I
34:39
Speaker 1: didn't even go home and get closed. I just drove
34:42
Speaker 1: straight to LA. And from the Bay to lais a
34:44
Speaker 1: six hour drive, so I just jumped on the road
34:46
Speaker 1: to LA and I got through the grape Vine. I
34:48
Speaker 1: texted him like, what's up, Broad, just landed back in La.
34:51
Speaker 1: Let me do. He was like, we're in there to night.
34:55
Speaker 1: Pull up. Pulled up. He had the studio downtown knocked
34:58
Speaker 1: the verse out and he had this this wall full
35:01
Speaker 1: of books right and one of the books he was
35:04
Speaker 1: telling my cameraman demandre at the time, like, uh, pick
35:07
Speaker 1: any book you want, and Demandra picked the twenty two
35:10
Speaker 1: Immutable Laws of Brandon and that book changed all our life.
35:13
Speaker 1: That's when I figured out how to sell myself right,
35:16
Speaker 1: what my identity was, what I was gonna stand on.
35:19
Speaker 1: So that whole day of just meeting him was like
35:21
Speaker 1: a whole life changing experience for me. And then every
35:24
Speaker 1: time when I moved to La I would see him.
35:27
Speaker 1: He remembered me. He always showed me love. It was
35:29
Speaker 1: a seven to eleven by the studio. I always see
35:31
Speaker 1: him there. He be like, what's up, bro, You're still
35:32
Speaker 1: doing your thing. I'd be like yeah. So he always
35:36
Speaker 1: rocked with me. Man, rest in peace to Nip. That's
35:38
Speaker 1: that's a real legend right there. You know you FaceTime
35:40
Speaker 1: me one day, man and you you you put me
35:42
Speaker 1: on the FaceTime with the super legend. Ain't even word
35:49
Speaker 1: what what what? What? What's getting? That called me? When
35:52
Speaker 1: Drake called you and say you'll come to the studio,
35:54
Speaker 1: let's do something. Everybody shut up and sit down. Feeling
35:58
Speaker 1: me could telling me I need to make a hifie record.
36:04
Speaker 1: Let me do me but nah, it was special because
36:08
Speaker 1: I actually met dre Um through key On, which is
36:11
Speaker 1: his nephew. I met Keian at the studio session. He
36:14
Speaker 1: was in the room playing beats, and I was somebody
36:17
Speaker 1: that's like I'm open to everything, like my uh my
36:21
Speaker 1: big dog that I'm signed to Donnie Meadows. He always
36:24
Speaker 1: be telling me like, boy, you're too nice, like you
36:26
Speaker 1: talk to Indie and everybody. Like it'd be interns in
36:28
Speaker 1: the studio sometimes playing beats. I'll just come in there
36:30
Speaker 1: and start rapping on their beats. But Keian was playing
36:33
Speaker 1: beats and I just went in there and start freestyle,
36:35
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I gotta introduce you to
36:36
Speaker 1: my uncle. I'm like, who your uncle? He like, doctor Dre.
36:40
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, come on, you know somebody knows somebody
36:45
Speaker 1: that knows somebody to actually know the person. So I'm like, man,
36:48
Speaker 1: come on, bro. Like He're like, Noah, that's really my uncle.
36:50
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, bet take my number. I give
36:52
Speaker 1: him my number. The next day he faced time me
36:56
Speaker 1: with Drake on the phone and dre was like, man,
36:58
Speaker 1: I seen your La Leaker freestyle, Like I didn't heard
37:01
Speaker 1: a few things about you, Like when I finished with
37:03
Speaker 1: this Super Bowl, I want to get in the studio
37:05
Speaker 1: with you. So I'm like, bet. So the super Bowl happened,
37:09
Speaker 1: and I think it was two days later. It was
37:11
Speaker 1: like a Wednesday or Tuesday or something. I was in
37:13
Speaker 1: the studio with some people and Kean hit me. He
37:16
Speaker 1: was like, want you to pull up? He sent me
37:18
Speaker 1: the address. I ain't even tell nobody where I was going.
37:20
Speaker 1: I think they thought I was going in the bathroom
37:22
Speaker 1: or something. I just got up and I just got up,
37:26
Speaker 1: drove straight over there. I still ye straight by myself.
37:31
Speaker 1: I ain't bringing nobody over there. Hell nah. But I
37:36
Speaker 1: went over there and I was over there for about
37:38
Speaker 1: four days and we just was cooking, cooking, cooking, cooking,
37:41
Speaker 1: and then everything he taught me. It's really what motivated
37:45
Speaker 1: this project because I didn't really know where I wanted
37:47
Speaker 1: to go with it. I knew that I wanted to
37:50
Speaker 1: have some type of resemblance of like where I was
37:52
Speaker 1: at in my career right now, right like I ain't
37:55
Speaker 1: got no number one album, I ain't got no number
37:57
Speaker 1: one record, but I'm gonna get it. And I wanted
37:59
Speaker 1: to express what that feels like being in this moment
38:03
Speaker 1: right now. So being around Dre, he kind of like
38:06
Speaker 1: taught me how to act out my lyrics and say
38:08
Speaker 1: things different. It's a song called king Win for Nothing
38:10
Speaker 1: that Charlotta Magne told me the production sound cheap, so
38:14
Speaker 1: he had to beef up the mix a little bit.
38:16
Speaker 1: But I don't know, and I appreciate that. I appreciate that.
38:21
Speaker 1: But it's a song on there. If you listen to it.
38:23
Speaker 1: Before I was with Drake, I would have wrapped the
38:25
Speaker 1: first lyrics like I woke up this morning with all
38:28
Speaker 1: these starts in my head, jumped out the bed and
38:30
Speaker 1: stuff my tone nage. But Drake taught me how to
38:32
Speaker 1: say it like I woke up this morning when Harley
38:35
Speaker 1: starts in my head, jumped out the bed and stuck
38:37
Speaker 1: my tone nage so you can actually feel me hitting
38:41
Speaker 1: my toe. He taught me how to act out my
38:43
Speaker 1: lyrics and stuff like that. And he also taught me that,
38:45
Speaker 1: like a lot of people, beats be terrible. And when
38:53
Speaker 1: you get around him and we start hearing the beach,
38:55
Speaker 1: he'd be like, damn, why do even wrap on these
38:57
Speaker 1: other niggas? You know what I mean. But he's a goat.
39:00
Speaker 1: That's what made Kim Drake so shout out to Drake man.
39:03
Speaker 1: He always teach me a lot. He gave me a
39:05
Speaker 1: lot of game. It be times where I'd be lost
39:06
Speaker 1: on what to do in our text him when he
39:08
Speaker 1: hit me right back, do this, do that? Say this?
39:10
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, be a man of integrity together.
39:15
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna kill me for saying this. Uh, they
39:18
Speaker 1: don't do it. Now we're on the breakfast club, I'm
39:20
Speaker 1: saying it. I think we got about six Okay, okay,
39:25
Speaker 1: yea about six. You know what they're going I don't.
39:28
Speaker 1: I don't let me ask you this. Earlier we were
39:30
Speaker 1: talking about never change featuring Rowdy Rich. Do you feel
39:33
Speaker 1: that people around you sometimes change? Because I know that's
39:35
Speaker 1: a common thing. I hear like you, they'll tell you change,
39:39
Speaker 1: but really he would treat you differently. Facts when things
39:42
Speaker 1: start to happen. Facts. I'm going through that right now.
39:44
Speaker 1: Like I got a bunch of people on that A
39:46
Speaker 1: look at like all my attraction and all my movement,
39:49
Speaker 1: and they just think because we're friends, they're supposed to
39:52
Speaker 1: be there. But it's like grab a flight, you know
39:58
Speaker 1: what I mean, put up, get here. As long as
40:00
Speaker 1: you get here, I'm gonna make sure it's cool. But
40:02
Speaker 1: it's like I can't just be funding everybody flights in
40:04
Speaker 1: everybody room and everybody food right now. I know it
40:07
Speaker 1: looked nice, you know what I mean, But that ain't
40:09
Speaker 1: where were yet, Like everybody playing their role. That's why
40:12
Speaker 1: I keep my dog with me. Feet he'd been with
40:14
Speaker 1: me from the beginning, you know what I mean. He
40:15
Speaker 1: ain't never asked for nothing. We've been rocking from the beginning.
40:19
Speaker 1: But it's so many people that feel like because they
40:21
Speaker 1: know you, they feel like they're entitled to get something
40:24
Speaker 1: from you. And it's like, bro, like help me, don't
40:27
Speaker 1: just always try to take from me, Like this is
40:29
Speaker 1: a tough business. It's very tough. Like it's artists get
40:33
Speaker 1: like what two three years at the MAC Sometimes yeah,
40:38
Speaker 1: it's that bar like from that joint you got where
40:40
Speaker 1: you be like um and when when when they want more,
40:42
Speaker 1: you act like they act like you never did nothing. Yeah,
40:45
Speaker 1: you could do everything for somebody. I didn't gave people
40:48
Speaker 1: versus wrote them songs. And then they come to the
40:51
Speaker 1: show and be like, bro, I don't want to pay
40:53
Speaker 1: for no ticket. It's like, bro, support me, you know
40:57
Speaker 1: what I mean, Support me, Like I don't look good too,
41:00
Speaker 1: I got sell tickets. I got a booking agent. They
41:03
Speaker 1: looking at how many tickets this nigga selling? You know
41:06
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I wouldn't bring a bunch of
41:08
Speaker 1: people to people, but they want to come with everybody,
41:10
Speaker 1: get their people in free to make them look like
41:12
Speaker 1: the man. So sometimes people be around you to really
41:15
Speaker 1: benefit where it is they're trying to do. Yeah, you
41:18
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's something I'm dealing with
41:20
Speaker 1: right now, just like learning like where to place people,
41:23
Speaker 1: learning who could come and who can't. We going on
41:25
Speaker 1: tour with Joining Lucas. Yeah and shut Out my dog
41:27
Speaker 1: Joining shut Out Joining were going toward this Friday. It's
41:31
Speaker 1: my first tour. Yeah, it's my first tour too. I'm graduations.
41:34
Speaker 1: How did that even happen? Um? So, Joinder had hit
41:38
Speaker 1: me back in June and he was like, UM, I
41:41
Speaker 1: appreciate like you keeping bars a lot, you know what
41:43
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's very few of us that's like
41:45
Speaker 1: really trying to stand on rapping. And he was telling
41:48
Speaker 1: me he was getting ready to go on this tour
41:50
Speaker 1: and um, if I wanted to come out, you know,
41:52
Speaker 1: he was extending this in I'm like, hell, yeah, I
41:54
Speaker 1: ain't never been on no tour, covid got in my way. So, um,
41:58
Speaker 1: this is actually the first artist to bring me along
42:00
Speaker 1: and share share his platform women. A lot of artists
42:03
Speaker 1: don't do that. They feel like you're gonna you know,
42:05
Speaker 1: still they shine or you know what I mean, take
42:07
Speaker 1: from what it is they do. But he really extended
42:09
Speaker 1: his hand and brought me on. He even offered for
42:12
Speaker 1: me to go on his bus, you know what I mean.
42:14
Speaker 1: When I was like, man, I'm about to pull up
42:16
Speaker 1: with a couple of big niggas, ain't bringing all these
42:21
Speaker 1: So it's I'm excited about this just to see, like
42:24
Speaker 1: the fans, how they react to them music, when music
42:27
Speaker 1: they liked the most. So I'm excited about it. And
42:29
Speaker 1: are you and Larrussell doing a project? Man, because I'm
42:32
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what First of all, I want
42:33
Speaker 1: to know what's in the water that got you in
42:34
Speaker 1: the Russell sounding the way y'all do. That's number one.
42:36
Speaker 1: First off, that's my dog. Look that dude, that's my
42:40
Speaker 1: dog right there. I literally, um, anytime I'm in the bait.
42:44
Speaker 1: What's crazy is Larrussell lived not too far from my mom,
42:48
Speaker 1: So every time I'm in the bay, damn, I shouldn't
42:50
Speaker 1: have said that because everybody be in his backyard now, right,
42:56
Speaker 1: But every time I'm out there, I hit him, and um,
43:00
Speaker 1: it's just motivating because it's like he really running a
43:04
Speaker 1: business with his family. Like literally, like I went over there,
43:08
Speaker 1: like they pressing up their own teas, they having marketing conversations.
43:12
Speaker 1: They in the backyard, having rehearsal, and it'd be making
43:15
Speaker 1: me wish, Like, damn, I wish I had this before
43:18
Speaker 1: I was going to major route. But it was hard
43:21
Speaker 1: for me to build a team because everybody was thinking
43:23
Speaker 1: for self. He got a bunch of people that's literally
43:26
Speaker 1: supporting him, like they wanted to see him win. I
43:28
Speaker 1: had a bunch of niggas around me that just wanted
43:30
Speaker 1: to see us win rather than see me win, so
43:33
Speaker 1: we could all get the win. And Um, he just
43:36
Speaker 1: inspired me. Bro, he like really inspired me. We've been
43:39
Speaker 1: talking about this project. Um, I was actually supposed to
43:42
Speaker 1: come to his residency that he just did, but I
43:44
Speaker 1: had to, um go out of town and film this video.
43:48
Speaker 1: But it's in his backyard. It's incredible, though, ain't It's incredible?
43:54
Speaker 1: Like he literally just had like four hundred people in
43:57
Speaker 1: the backyard that is crib. You know what I mean
43:59
Speaker 1: that Tick gets and bought merch. It's incredible, especially for
44:02
Speaker 1: a Bay artist. It's tough for us. And he went
44:05
Speaker 1: through the same thing I went through. People telling him
44:07
Speaker 1: you need this type of song, you need that. Certain
44:10
Speaker 1: blogs in the Bay didn't want to post him because
44:12
Speaker 1: he don't play into the politics. And he cut through.
44:15
Speaker 1: He cut through, his music expanded. It was bigger than
44:18
Speaker 1: the Bay. So we definitely, I don't know when it's
44:20
Speaker 1: gonna come, but we definitely gonna gonna put that together.
44:23
Speaker 1: We didn't talk to about it a few times. Um,
44:26
Speaker 1: so it's it's gonna come. It's just you know, he
44:28
Speaker 1: got a lot going on. I got a lot going on.
44:30
Speaker 1: But once we get some downtime to really knock it out,
44:32
Speaker 1: it's gonna come together. Let's play a song off the
44:35
Speaker 1: album and what you want to hear never change feature
44:38
Speaker 1: Nahomie Roddy Rich. Here there is Simba's albums out. Don't
44:42
Speaker 1: take time. I think they pick it up. Yes, sir, Simba,
44:44
Speaker 1: you're going places my brother, Come on, man. I appreciate
44:47
Speaker 1: y'all for having me. Um. Also, you know I always
44:50
Speaker 1: tell y'all appreciate what you do with the Black Effect
44:53
Speaker 1: Network because it's important for us to have black media.
44:57
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. We always get hot and
44:58
Speaker 1: feel like we gotta run the other man, not the
45:00
Speaker 1: brother man. You know what I'm meaning. So everything you
45:03
Speaker 1: do from all the smoke to to every every podcast
45:08
Speaker 1: you got, man, I salute you. Also salute you on
45:10
Speaker 1: your future endeavors. I actually like one of your co hosts,
45:13
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it hurt later now you guys here,
45:17
Speaker 1: yeah she she find it hell Um, you guys, shout
45:25
Speaker 1: out to you two envy man. You you're a real
45:27
Speaker 1: legend out here. Man. You got a lot of people
45:29
Speaker 1: on the bait that always speak highly or you. You
45:31
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I got a lot of people
45:33
Speaker 1: from Hampton that always talk about you. So you're a
45:35
Speaker 1: legend man. And everything y'all do for this culture, you know,
45:38
Speaker 1: for the last what I want to say twelve You
45:43
Speaker 1: know what I mean, We always, as young artists wake
45:45
Speaker 1: up and watch this show, um to get information to
45:48
Speaker 1: learn what it is we should be doing. I learned
45:50
Speaker 1: a lot from this show. So it's a blessing to
45:51
Speaker 1: be here. And I appreciate y'all for having me. Yes well,
45:54
Speaker 1: Sember it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,