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SMNTY Classics: SMNTY (Doesn't) Go Method · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Stuff Never Told You, a production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 1: And today we are bringing back a classic happy hour
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  Speaker 1: that was very much me venting about something that annoys
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  Speaker 1: me greatly, and it's method acting. And there are a
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  Speaker 1: couple of reasons I wanted to bring this one back.
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  Speaker 1: One is we just had the Emmys. That just happened.
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  Speaker 1: So it was awards season. It came up in a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with Samantha and I about Jared Leto and the
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  Speaker 1: Joker and all that. But also I had a friend
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  Speaker 1: that sent me a reel of Kristen Stewart talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: And she had a really interesting take that we didn't
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  Speaker 1: get into here. But her opinion is that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of male actors who do this like to present it
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  Speaker 1: as some kind of thing that is untouchable, unreachable, like
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  Speaker 1: they have to do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: She gave her a lot of great examples, but it
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  Speaker 1: was something like this many push-ups and punch themselves in
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  Speaker 1: the face and do all this stuff because you could
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  Speaker 1: not possibly achieve their genius. When ultimately, being an actor, acting,
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  Speaker 1: is a very vulnerable, emotional thing, which is something that
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  Speaker 1: men kind of try to stay away from. And so,
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  Speaker 1: and she even used the word embarrassing. Like, it's embarrassing sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And they don't want that. They want to be the
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  Speaker 1: only one who can do this. And look how tough
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  Speaker 1: I am. And that's why I can have this emotional,
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  Speaker 1: vulnerable scene, which... If you could just get in touch
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  Speaker 1: with your emotions. Right.
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  Speaker 3: You should be able to do that. It pretty much
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  Speaker 3: says it's only men. It's basically just men who did this.
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  Speaker 3: And that's not actually true. There are others who have
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  Speaker 3: come out and been like, but this person. But interestingly,
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  Speaker 3: her counterpart, and I think of him as a counterpart,
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  Speaker 3: Robert Pattinson, actually said, you never see them method acting
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  Speaker 3: a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, that is a good point. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So there could be like some wanting to put it
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  Speaker 1: like a distance there or like have like a real
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  Speaker 1: tough edge or something.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, that's true. And we do talk about
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  Speaker 1: that in this episode is that a lot of women
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  Speaker 1: actors have come out and said, you know, I can't
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  Speaker 1: show up to pick up my kids like still in character.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's just not a thing I can do.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. So you can hear my rants. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a fan in this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Stuff I've Never Told You, a production
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  Speaker 1: by HeartRadio. and welcome to another edition of happy hour
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  Speaker 1: as always if you choose to drink or whatever you're
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  Speaker 1: doing please do so responsibly what are you doing samantha
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  Speaker 1: are you doing it responsibly.
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  Speaker 3: Always, because I get sleepy. I just love how I'm
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  Speaker 3: now into the point of adulthood where I'm like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't party anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Really, I never really party. Let's be very honest. But
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  Speaker 2: I barely do any of that.
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  Speaker 3: I went to clubs for a short span of time
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  Speaker 3: because I do love dancing.
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  Speaker 2: I do love dancing.
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  Speaker 3: And now my clubbing is Zumba classes with the other 40, 50-year-olds,
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  Speaker 3: and we get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Just so you know.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, but yes, I'm drinking coffee because I am tired
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  Speaker 3: and it feels groggy and it's cold again.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it cold for the dear love of God?
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  Speaker 1: It is very cold here. And I, oh, I made
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  Speaker 1: the mistake of turning off my radiator because it was hot.
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  Speaker 1: It was warm for a while.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really worried about that radiator, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: I am too. We have a very adversarial relationship, me
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  Speaker 1: and this radiator. But now it's steaming up so much,
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  Speaker 1: I can't see out my windows. And this morning, a
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  Speaker 1: friend of mine texted me and she's like, it's snowing
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  Speaker 1: where I am. And I was trying to look out
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  Speaker 1: the window. I was like, I can't tell. I'm too
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  Speaker 1: cold to go outside. So we'll never know. I am
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  Speaker 1: drinking wine because today it's a * * * * * * wine.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to make this clear at the top.
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  Speaker 1: This is my opinion. This is my personal opinion. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And I might ruffle some feathers in the acting community
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  Speaker 1: if we've got any actors listening. But, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Are you really doing something, huh? I feel like that
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  Speaker 3: was such a big warning. I love drama.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do this team.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. I've gotten into so many arguments with
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  Speaker 1: other actors about this.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So it is awards season. as we record this and
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  Speaker 1: i also want to say it does feel strange um
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  Speaker 1: i think my monday mini upcoming will be about this
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  Speaker 1: kind of but it feels strange to talk about this
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  Speaker 1: when it feels like the world is falling apart but
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it um so it is
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  Speaker 1: award season coming up and um i've had this in
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  Speaker 1: my on my list of possible happy hour topics for
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  Speaker 1: a while but this was a ways back uh natalie
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  Speaker 1: portman made this comment where she said method acting is
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  Speaker 1: a luxury that women can't have. And she was mostly
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  Speaker 1: commenting on how women are still expected to do a
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  Speaker 1: lot more domestic work and especially raising kids. So she
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  Speaker 1: was saying like, I can't show up at the pickup,
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  Speaker 1: like covered in blood or whatever. I was like, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: someone finally said that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: I will get into it, but I've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of thoughts about method actors. Some of them are very
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  Speaker 1: good and have produced really good performances. I will break
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  Speaker 1: it down in a minute. But I've always kind of
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  Speaker 1: had an issue with it. And I know for people,
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  Speaker 1: I think you know what method acting is. It's when
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  Speaker 1: someone like, quote, becomes that character. And they ask people
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  Speaker 1: to call them by that name. Like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. I do want to differentiate between that
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  Speaker 1: and doing your research. I think doing the research part
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  Speaker 1: is good. Like going to work at a factory for
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  Speaker 1: a month or whatever, as long as you're not a
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  Speaker 1: total jackass about it. I think that's good. I got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts about this. But that's different than
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  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Jared Leto is
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  Speaker 1: like one of the most famous examples of recent times.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When he was in Suicide Squad, he was in there
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  Speaker 1: for 10 minutes, by the way. He basically... just harassed
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the cast he had like a assistant
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  Speaker 1: that would sneak into their dressing rooms and put things
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  Speaker 1: like rats or used condoms or fish heads because he's
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: playing the joker and he was like it adds a
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  Speaker 1: level that's what the joker does it adds a level
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  Speaker 1: of surprise and a lot okay a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: other actors have spoken about it and said it made
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  Speaker 1: them feel really uncomfortable makes sense He's kind of said
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  Speaker 1: it's been over exaggerated. I am leaning more toward he
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  Speaker 1: probably did do that. But, you know, I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what I'm talking about. That kind of behavior
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  Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. I just feel that as
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  Speaker 1: a viewer of something, I can have the capacity to know, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're the Joker and you're a good actor and I'm
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  Speaker 1: scared of you. But I actually appreciate this more because
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  Speaker 1: I know as a human being, you're not that. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Right, right. Like, I have the
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  Speaker 1: capacity to differentiate between those two things.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to convince me you are the Joker.
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  Speaker 1: If you do, you've really freaked me out more than
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  Speaker 1: I think you wanted to. You can be a good
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  Speaker 1: actor and not convince me that, like, maybe you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be allowed near people.
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  Speaker 2: Like, there's a difference.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: There's a difference. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think this all comes back to the understanding that
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  Speaker 3: if you're good at your craft, you don't have to
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  Speaker 3: change your personality. It doesn't have to be that way.
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  Speaker 3: It also kind of comes to people who are like,
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  Speaker 3: if you truly do this, then you're truly this. As
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  Speaker 3: in you're not validated until you're willing to push to
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  Speaker 3: a boundary.
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  Speaker 2: That's not healthy.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not healthy. And there have been a million
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  Speaker 1: examples of how it's not healthy before. And there is
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  Speaker 1: a quote, it's frequently attributed to Laurence Olivier, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's ever been proven he was like the
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  Speaker 1: one that said it. But it's, you know, my dear boy,
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  Speaker 1: have you tried acting? Like, you don't have to do
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  Speaker 1: these things. And it makes people, not just the other actors,
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  Speaker 1: it makes people on set uncomfortable. Like one time I
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  Speaker 1: was working with somebody who said they were a method actor.
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  Speaker 1: He was playing a rapist. Oh, you know how uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: that made everyone.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean? This method acting? Like, what are
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  Speaker 2: you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And it's just it's one of those things. where
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  Speaker 1: I think, and I have, when I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: lightly researching this, I found a BuzzFeed list, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like 17 worst examples of method actors. They were
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  Speaker 1: all white men. And I just feel like if a
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  Speaker 1: woman or a person of color did this shit, The
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  Speaker 1: set wouldn't stand for it. They'd be like, she's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Get her out of here. Right. But instead it's like,
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  Speaker 1: look at this genius work. Right.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Did Michael B.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan, did he do, he didn't do method acting for
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  Speaker 3: Black Panther, right? He said he just isolated himself.
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  Speaker 1: He he he like went on the streets and isolated himself. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But not necessarily actually full method.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Which is I do think there are different degrees of method. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And some of them I'm like, OK, I get that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's where it sort of blurs the line between research
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  Speaker 1: and method to me. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I do think there are some method actors that are
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  Speaker 1: not as obnoxious and, frankly, kind of terrifying. One example
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  Speaker 1: is I know a lot of actors who use accents
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  Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah. So, like, if they're doing an
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  Speaker 1: American accent and they're not American, they'll just start using
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  Speaker 1: that accent all the time. I think that's okay. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it would weird me out if I knew the person.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I understand that.
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  Speaker 3: Right. I think Renee Zellweger, she did that because she
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  Speaker 3: couldn't go in and out really well. And she said,
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: if I lose it, I'm going to lose it. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm just have to keep it the entire time. Like
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  Speaker 3: she would keep her English accent for Bridget Jones Diary.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, which I get. That makes sense to me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I agree it's still a little weird. But it makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: If I knew you personally and you had an accent,
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  Speaker 3: I would make fun of you the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: I would have a hard time not... Like, not because
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: I'm being mean, but I.
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  Speaker 3: Just think it's hilarious to see you doing the switch up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's just odd. But, I mean, another
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  Speaker 1: issue I have with this kind of hardcore method acting
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  Speaker 1: is it has led to instances of sexual assault and
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  Speaker 1: physical abuse. Mm-hmm. largely against women because they were method,
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  Speaker 1: which I just think is ridiculous and unacceptable. And I don't,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: kind of going back to what you were saying, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think if you had to do that as part
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  Speaker 1: of a role, it almost feels like an excuse to me.
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  Speaker 1: It just kind of feels like an excuse to act
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  Speaker 1: like a dick. And in some cases, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what it is. In other cases, I think that people
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  Speaker 1: believe they're pursuing brilliance or whatever, like I'm really going
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  Speaker 1: to capture this thing. But if that's what it takes,
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  Speaker 1: then you can go. I don't need your brilliance if
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  Speaker 1: that's what it takes. And I will, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: say here, like actors of all schools can be d * * ks.
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  Speaker 1: I know this is true. It's not just method actors.
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  Speaker 1: People who are just famous can be. People have like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an artiste vibe can be. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's something about like. I was reading the examples in
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  Speaker 1: that BuzzFeed article about how people have done this. This
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  Speaker 1: just sounds like a jack to me. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, also, there's a crossover, too, where they really
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  Speaker 3: say this is for film. And it's so much like
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  Speaker 3: The Last Tango. I was trying to remember which movie was,
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  Speaker 3: which was Marlon Brando. and they assault a woman on camera.
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  Speaker 3: And the director and Marlon Brando, the director being, because
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: I don't want to just leave one predator name out,
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: being Bernardo Bortolucci, they had made this plan not to
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  Speaker 3: tell her what was going to happen in order to
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  Speaker 3: get her real reactions in order to f * * * her, essentially.
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  Speaker 3: And the fact that that case is so infamous... And
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  Speaker 3: the two of them are still revered. Marlon Brando and
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  Speaker 3: Bortolucci really are just still revered. I think the conversation
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  Speaker 3: has gotten bigger about it and understanding. But that level,
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  Speaker 3: it needs to be real conversation, which takes it to
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  Speaker 3: the point of why?
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  Speaker 2: What for you? Why?
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  Speaker 3: What is it doing for you that you need this
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  Speaker 3: to happen in this route? And it's giving you a
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  Speaker 3: thrill that you really want to have it on camera.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the same thing with The Shining and
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  Speaker 3: how they tortured Shelley Duvall. They tortured her because she
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  Speaker 3: wasn't quote-unquote real enough in her reaction. It's such a
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  Speaker 3: way that it is white men wanting to torture women.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the examples the BuzzFeed article gave was,
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  Speaker 1: I'd never heard of this, I'd never seen this movie,
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  Speaker 1: but it was Meryl Streep and Dustin Hoffman. And apparently
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  Speaker 1: Dustin Hoffman slapped her in a scene. And he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: supposed to, and he said he did it to get
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  Speaker 1: her in character. Meryl Streep has won more Oscars than anyone.
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  Speaker 1: You f * * * ing tell me you need
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  Speaker 1: to get her in character?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: They hate each other, right?
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  Speaker 2: Did I make that up in my head?
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: I feel like they really disliked each other and never
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: wanted to work with each other again with relevance to
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: things like that. Maybe?
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to look it up before I miss it.
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  Speaker 2: Represent myself here.
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  Speaker 1: But the director apparently told Meryl Streep, like, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't need that. And she, like, nailed this scene
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: and she nailed the scene as she would have. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's just so, like, you made it about
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  Speaker 1: you and you belittled her at the same time. And
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  Speaker 1: you hit her.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently he's abused her a lot, but that's the first literal....
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  Speaker 3: Quote that I see from a headline. This wasn't the
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  Speaker 3: only time Dustin Hoffman allegedly abused Meryl Streep. And this
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  Speaker 3: is from Screen Rant. So, like, the fact that he
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  Speaker 3: continued to do that to this woman, who I think
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: had already been nominated for things, even though this was
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  Speaker 3: one of her earlier films.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: if he... No, he was on that list. He was
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  Speaker 1: a method actor. I just... It feels like so much
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  Speaker 1: of it is... it is causing harm to someone else.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're taking credit for, like, I'm sure probably
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  Speaker 1: in private conversations, he said, you know, I made Meryl
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  Speaker 1: Streep who she is. Like, I was the one. She
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: complains about it, but I, by doing this, helped her
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: get further. And we even talked about it with Bridget, like, the,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: is it Evan Rachel Wood, the music video?
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  Speaker 3: And I.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Was thinking about it, too, because I was lying awake
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  Speaker 1: as I'm want to do, and I'm wrestling with these topics.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about the audition process. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, did Jared Leto, who again was in that
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  Speaker 1: movie for 10 minutes, did he start the method acting
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  Speaker 1: for the audition? Or did he start it after? Because
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: if you did the audition, you got the part, then
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I think you've already proven you can do it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you need this method part. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he was doing it before, but like, He's such.
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  Speaker 2: A bad actor. Maybe he needs it.
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  Speaker 3: There's a few that's like, you're genuinely good.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need this.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Jared Leto from his infamous times from being Jordan Catalano.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Catalani? Catalani? Anyway, needed.
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  Speaker 3: Can't do it without it, especially for a 30-second preview
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  Speaker 3: because he is that baseless in acting. Say this and
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I'm about to get.
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  Speaker 2: Attacked, aren't I?
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: This is what i tell you we're ruffling some actor
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  Speaker 1: feathers right now.
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  Speaker 3: Philip seymour hoffman who was also an infamous method actor
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  Speaker 3: he was genuinely great he was genuinely great i don't
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  Speaker 3: know if he needed it again like that kind of
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: goes to that same level um I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: it's that introvert thing, because he was an introvert, I think,
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  Speaker 3: for the most part, that really felt like his craft
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: came from all the emotions.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 3: These are, like, things that I've seen as an alleged.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe that's the different level. But, like, again, there's
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  Speaker 3: nothing about Jared Leto's performances and any performances that I'm like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's so great. Unless he can be extreme.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting. Cause I wonder if, um, I did think
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: about this too. Cause I, I was wondering if there's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: some level of insecurity around it of like, I want, I,
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  Speaker 1: when the critics come, when the award season rolls around,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I want them to know I lived in the, the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: winter tundra to prepare like quote dedication I put into
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: this role and this character. which again, we've talked about
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: this before. I think it was in our intimacy coordinator episode,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: but personally, if you're a good actor, then that doesn't
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: really necessarily factor into what I'm thinking. And in fact,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it might take me out of the performance like I'm
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: not sitting there thinking oh wow they definitely lived in
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the winter tundra I don't know I like so I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: wonder if there's some kind of thing I've been guilty
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of this too where you want to prove When the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: critics come at you like, but I did all this research, though. Like,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I did all this. I think research is good. It's the...
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  Speaker 1: It's the kind of unhingedness.
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  Speaker 2: Unhingedness?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. I clearly have strong thoughts about this. Of making
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: everyone else uncomfortable. And putting, like, yourself, your performance... before everything.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Because in a good, I think in a good movie
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  Speaker 1: or a good production, everyone's working together in a way.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: And sometimes somebody is such a good actor, method or not,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that you are scared of them because they're doing so
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: well and you don't hang out. But you still work
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  Speaker 1: together really well. You know this isn't actually going to
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: kill me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, as I'm looking at Jared Leto's list, he played
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: a serial killer. i don't know any of his films
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  Speaker 3: and he did get several awards so people are probably
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: mad at me like he is a great actor i
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: think he's a great actor when he has to play
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: something extreme like that's different when it's drama drama versus
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: like actual minute like detailed acting that's different i say
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: as non-actor uh but like yeah he won for a
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: dallas byers club i remember he played a trans woman
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  Speaker 3: which ruffled a lot of feathers because he's not a
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: trans woman so how did he method act for that
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? There's nowhere in life ever, ever,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: ever that he can understand what a trans woman has
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: been through. And so there's a lot of questions in
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: his method and when he wants to be method and
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: how deep of a method actor he wants to be.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I say this really mainly Really, just don't like Jared Leto, apparently.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: That brought something out of me. You know, I have
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: his autograph. I had a huge crush on him when
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I was... Who didn't?
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  Speaker 3: When he was acting like an emo... Like emo man, young,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: who wasn't creepy and all the other things. Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And I want to say, like, when I think about...
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I've done some acting. And when I think about why
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I like it, I like imagining things. And I like...
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like I would never....
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  Speaker 3: Ever.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe part of it is conditioning as a woman. I don't,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to make people so uncomfortable. I wouldn't
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: want to do like that. And I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: health thing too, where you can be like, okay, let
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: me turn this off for now. It's a stressful role.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I'll be better if I can like recharge. I know
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: some people will argue with me, but I just don't,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I get the sentiment of I want to really get
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: in the mindset of this person. But I also don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: think that's a super healthy thing to just do and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: completely erase yourself and not think about anybody else.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, again, I think I'm going back way back
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: to like, Because there has been a big conversation. Just
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: because someone may not be in acting doesn't mean it's
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: not something that's questioned by society. Because as a person
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: on the outside, for me, I've heard people talking about this.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: People have had this conversation about, is method acting healthy?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I think, again, people like Philip Seymour Hoffman, who died
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: of drug overdose. Like in general, to be famous and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: to be in that world alone is stressful.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: So to like have that other layer of like you
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: want these deep, dark dramas that really get your name
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: out there, which is a lot of like conversation. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: think in the acting world, maybe I'm wrong, but big
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: break and often that big break is something controversial. And
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: that I can't imagine what kind of toll, like just
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: listening to people talk about, I had to listen to
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: this one type of music in order to get me
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: into this dark place. I had to think about these
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: deaths and to get to me, get to this dark place.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Like these things are had to go through my childhood
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: trauma to get like, could not imagine living in that
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: for six months to a year saying that I can't
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: let this go or I'm going to fail. Yeah.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: In this endeavor in my career.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Like there's so many layers to that that you have
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: to have like a real conversation about what is worth
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: sacrificing for entertainment.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah and you know we do see a lot
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of unfortunate early deaths in in celebrities and it's just
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: people harmed i mean people And not just method acting.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, one time I did a scene once with
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: somebody I was supposed to be pushing. And the next
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: day I found out he had all these bruises. I
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: still think about it. I feel so bad about it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: But like those things... I don't know. I just... I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: got a lot of thoughts about it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Clearly.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So maybe we'll come back.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I have a lot to talk about with it, to
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: be honest.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe we'll come back and do a full episode
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: on it. And not just my... Rants.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Apologies to all the Jared Leto lovers. Apparently, I really
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: don't like him. I don't know why.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It came out strong.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I know, it did. I was like, this fool. My bad.
• 25:15
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• 25:20
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