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Tigers Need Right Moves In Free Agency · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen
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  Speaker 1: Seckley with me as always the man who mails in
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  Speaker 1: his vote, but he doesn't mail it in. He is
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  Speaker 1: Cody Stevenagg And how you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I put the vote in the dropbox? Actually, oh, technical
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  Speaker 2: technical sign of ever, you're not mailing it in. If
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  Speaker 2: you're putting it in the drop box, takes a little
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  Speaker 2: more effort than that.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Well you're a smarter
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  Speaker 1: man than I because I stood in line for two
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  Speaker 1: hours and walked a total of like zero point three
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  Speaker 1: miles to vote on Tuesdays Tuesday night. So kudos to
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  Speaker 1: you for being more progressive than I am on that.
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  Speaker 1: So we have Cody a very special breaking news update
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  Speaker 1: from Arizona, and that is Terek Schougle was in Arizona
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  Speaker 1: and he was watching a couple of Tigers prospects do
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  Speaker 1: their thing and he was buffed up. What does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: What does it mean? Cody?
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  Speaker 2: I like to think Tarik's on he's dropping little easter eggs.
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  Speaker 2: The buffs a Detroit thing. That first picture he posted
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  Speaker 2: happened to include home with Chicago Cubs above the gug
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  Speaker 2: out there in Mesa, so you know, but he was
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  Speaker 2: shown up. He was watching his boys posted about Kevin McGonagall.
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  Speaker 2: So clearly some effort from Schooble to to look is
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  Speaker 2: he shown he's still a Tiger something. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's just going about his life. He is
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  Speaker 2: a member of the Detroit Tigers, and he's a guy
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  Speaker 2: who's a leader for this team, for his organization. He's
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  Speaker 2: doing his part. One criticism of Schooble that bothers me
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  Speaker 2: with like coming out of the Alds thing, like, I
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  Speaker 2: think this guy wants to win. Man. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: one of the most intense competitors I've ever been around.
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  Speaker 2: I think he has good leadership qualities, and I think
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  Speaker 2: as long as he is a member of the Detroit Tigers,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to continue to act as such.
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  Speaker 1: Sure look Schooble knows how to play the game. I've
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  Speaker 1: said it a million times. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: He knows all of his actions are analyzed and macro
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  Speaker 1: micro analyzed and macro analyzed. I guess, and also I
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  Speaker 1: just also I think he just loves ball, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like like like there's there's really no other reason to
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  Speaker 1: go out there other than to just kind of be like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: like it's nice weather out here, catch a baseball game,
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  Speaker 1: see a couple of my potential future teammates. Like, you know, nothing,
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  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. Uh. I do think he is
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  Speaker 1: a purposeful guy. So I do think he felt like
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  Speaker 1: it was a good thing to share that and tag
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  Speaker 1: it and and do all that stuff. But he knows,
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  Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: And this, of course the other developing news, like if
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  Speaker 1: you want to be a little bit exaggeratory in nature
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  Speaker 1: about it is, uh, he's still kind of being thrown
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  Speaker 1: out there on major platforms, I would say, without calling
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  Speaker 1: anybody out with really no actual new tangible news. It's
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Buster Only who was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Seattle makes some sense, and then it's like Buster only
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  Speaker 1: says Seattle could go after Ark Schooble. It's like that's
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  Speaker 1: this man. It is exhausted because you see the aggregated
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  Speaker 1: stuff and then you go to the source and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: well that's not really true, and then it's and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, other guys are saying, well, GMS don't really
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to trade him, blah blah blah. So
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday or assume me. Thursday, November sixth, a little bit
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  Speaker 1: after six pm Eastern time. No real Tarrek Schooble update.
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  Speaker 1: But minutes something does happen, we will be right there
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  Speaker 1: to react to it. And we'll also react to things
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  Speaker 1: that don't actually happen. But there is Cody something that
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  Speaker 1: is real quick.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've told you that the Tigers many they're
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  Speaker 2: pretty secretive, and they're not leaking stuff to national writers little,
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  Speaker 2: if at all. Nobody actually knows what they're gonna do. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Next week will be the GM meetings in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: I am not getting sent there on site, but you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna start hearing a lot more rumors circulate. I remember,
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  Speaker 2: predict none of it's gonna come from the Tigers, but
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  Speaker 2: some of it could come from a certain agent, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe other teams could fill in some you know, kind
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  Speaker 2: of the back channels. What they're hearing from the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: side of things. I don't know how tangible. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: put too much stake into anything Schooble wise. Next week,
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  Speaker 2: but Scott Harris is gonna get asked about it again.
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe there'll be something like five percent more
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  Speaker 2: tangible next week.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. But something that is official is that
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  Speaker 1: Derek schougbulell Asso mean that he's a member of the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Detroit Tiger's rotation is he will have
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  Speaker 1: his buddy Jack Flaherty in tow. Jack Flaherty talk, You're
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  Speaker 1: talking about specific language earlier with the drop box aspect
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  Speaker 1: of voting. Here's some language I'm trying to get correct.
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  Speaker 1: He exercise his opt in option. I don't know exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The bottom line is Jack Flaherty will be back. He's
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  Speaker 1: coming back. He's going to be on the books for
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  Speaker 1: twenty million dollars. He had the option to become a
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  Speaker 1: free agent. He either like literally or metaphorically declined that option,
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  Speaker 1: and so he will be back with the Tigers, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, for twenty million. And as much as we
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  Speaker 1: joked around throughout the season Cody about kind of like
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  Speaker 1: the roller coaster of Jack Flaherty, I was. I was
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  Speaker 1: happy that this element that is going to be returning
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  Speaker 1: to the team next season because there's a stability factor,
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  Speaker 1: there's a intuitive knowledge factor with Jack flaherity that I
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  Speaker 1: believe is beneficial for him because he's still probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: want to get at least one more big payday as
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  Speaker 1: he's you know, thirty thirty one, whatever age he is.
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  Speaker 1: And also the Tigers, that's one less hole that needs
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  Speaker 1: to be filled in an off season full of uncertainty,
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  Speaker 1: including with the school stuff. So and also the fan base.
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  Speaker 1: The fan base I thought, reacted positively to Jack flaherty
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  Speaker 1: coming back, so that actually pleasantly surprised me too. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people think in the same way I do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like the industry at large was somewhat
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  Speaker 2: surprised that he did not opt out. You look at,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just the contract projections out there for him
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  Speaker 2: were still somewhat optimistic. But then you look at how
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  Speaker 2: his market played out last year, coming off one of
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  Speaker 2: the better years of his career, and the offers he
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  Speaker 2: wanted were not there. I think him coming back to
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers tells you he was terrified or his his
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  Speaker 2: representation was terrified of hitting the open market coming off
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  Speaker 2: a bad year. It's possible he still could have got
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  Speaker 2: a three year deal worth I don't know, thirty forty
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  Speaker 2: five million dollars. But I think if you're on Flarity's team,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to think that there's a little higher ceiling
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  Speaker 2: for this guy, and that you want to hit the
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  Speaker 2: market coming off a good year and not the year
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  Speaker 2: you had for the Tigers. In some ways, this isn't
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  Speaker 2: good because twenty million still a steep price. Had Flarity
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  Speaker 2: opted out, you probably could have allocated that money, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's with another pitcher or on the position side, maybe
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  Speaker 2: in a more productive manner. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of a good thing because, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: you're in a way you've already filled one of the
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  Speaker 2: gaps from your rotation. And though Flarity's coming off a
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  Speaker 2: poor season, his underlying numbers were better than the actual results.
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  Speaker 2: He still strikes out a ton of guys. Realistically, you
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  Speaker 2: were probably going to be targeting a pitcher kind of
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  Speaker 2: like Jack Flaherty, one of these guys you get un
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  Speaker 2: lock for your rotation. Instead, you get one you already
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  Speaker 2: have familiar with, You already have familiarity with, you've already
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  Speaker 2: had some success with. You could do a lot worse
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  Speaker 2: than Jack Flaherty. So I you know, I think this
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  Speaker 2: is not a huge victory for anyone, but also like
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  Speaker 2: a small win win on all sides as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, positive development. And I have to think that Jack's
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  Speaker 1: thinking a like you know, I, like I said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: he can you know, have a good season, get maybe
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  Speaker 1: one more payday, uh b Like he is a very
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  Speaker 1: visible Like he's a guy that's always kind of been
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  Speaker 1: like very visible if you look at his career, uh
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  Speaker 1: from the Hot Star with Saint Louis and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: like even like Baltimore to a certain extent, he comes
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  Speaker 1: to the Tigers, he goes when's the World Series with
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers, Like, I do believe that there's a factor
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  Speaker 1: of I'm not gonna be in Baseball Siberia by coming
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  Speaker 1: back here, and and but the spotlight a little bit
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  Speaker 1: should help. So I don't think that part can be
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  Speaker 1: uh can be overlooked and and and neither can this
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  Speaker 1: Cody the fact that you know, the Tigers are always
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  Speaker 1: looking to replace pitchers. Maybe he maybe he knew this
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  Speaker 1: Jack little move was coming down the pipeline and he
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  Speaker 1: was feeling a little he was a little threatened. So
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  Speaker 1: he's like, I got to make sure my spot's secure.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why. So yeah, I'm just saying, yeah, can't
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  Speaker 1: roll it out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's clarify that that is a joke. I am sure
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  Speaker 2: Jack Little was not really on Jack Flaherty's radar and
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers organization, but uh, yeah, the Tigers claimed Jack Little.
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  Speaker 2: That puts their forty man roster at forty. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what they like about this guy. He's pitched three
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  Speaker 2: nings in the big leagues. He had a plus four
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  Speaker 2: ERA and triple A and didn't really strike out guys
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  Speaker 2: mid nineties fastball, mid eighties splitter, slider. Seems that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Har thing to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if he has a great spring training, we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about him then right now. And not whelmed at all
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  Speaker 2: with that?
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  Speaker 1: Not well, well, let's let's get to the like the
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  Speaker 1: very very very recent news, Cody, and that's that Labor
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  Speaker 1: Torres or the Tigers extended the qualifying offer to Labor Torres.
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  Speaker 1: He was one of I believe thirteen players across baseball
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  Speaker 1: to get the qualify buying offer extended to them is
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  Speaker 1: for twenty two point zero to five million dollars. Should
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  Speaker 1: he accept, he has until November eighteenth, right, is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: November eighteenth? Uh to make a decision. On that, and
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  Speaker 1: that is sort of right now the biggest that's the
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  Speaker 1: that's the first ball clarity was the first one technically,
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  Speaker 1: So now the next ball to drop in terms of
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  Speaker 1: how the Tigers are going to construct the team will
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  Speaker 1: be this Labor Torre's decision. Uh, and the fallout thereof
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  Speaker 1: So what do you make of of of the offer
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  Speaker 1: being extended to Glabor?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you're of the Tigers, you had
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  Speaker 2: to extend the qualifying offer because if he if he
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  Speaker 2: declines it, he's going to get a decent payday, not
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  Speaker 2: a huge payday, but enough that you know you're going
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  Speaker 2: to get draft pick compensation. Someone's going to sign the guy.
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  Speaker 2: What'll exceed fifty million? I don't know, it might be close. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you're Glabor Toeres, this is a super super interesting decision.
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  Speaker 2: Players rarely accept the qualifying offer. It's normally a pretty
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  Speaker 2: easy decline. I think only thirteen ever have been accepted
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  Speaker 2: Glabor tores Man personally, I kind of think he should
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  Speaker 2: accept it because Glaber was willing to take the one
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  Speaker 2: year deal last season, talked openly about he wanted to
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  Speaker 2: rebuild his value. He wanted to pursue one hundred million
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  Speaker 2: dollar deal and his first half. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he would have got one hundred, but he was on
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  Speaker 2: track to get paid, and then he declined and we
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  Speaker 2: found out he was playing through a hernia, and it's
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  Speaker 2: fair to think that had a lot to do with
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  Speaker 2: his poor second half. He'll hit only I think two
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  Speaker 2: twenty three after the All Star break. If he goes
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  Speaker 2: into free agency right now, probably three sixty is absolute
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  Speaker 2: max what he's going to get given his defense and
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  Speaker 2: base running, both slight negatives. I don't think anyone's committing
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  Speaker 2: more than two or three years glab and coming off
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  Speaker 2: at tough second half like the AAV is not going
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  Speaker 2: to match twenty two million. I think he can get
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  Speaker 2: a nice check and try to redo this one year
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  Speaker 2: boost thing. That would be interesting and what it means
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  Speaker 2: for the rest of the Tigers offseason. It's not a
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  Speaker 2: slam dunk decision, but if I'm glabor Tour as his agent,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really, you know, trying to pick his brain. Unless
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  Speaker 2: he just really wants two or three years security elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: I think taking this and coming back is the right decision.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to this a little bit more in a second.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hopeful of that. I think your logic is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: based in a lot of good reasoning. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: the question is, is a qualifying offer nothing for his Tigers'
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  Speaker 1: career to extend.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question too, Not necessarily, but probably. I
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  Speaker 2: think given the amount of infield prospects they have. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that Glabor's the guy they'd want to go
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  Speaker 2: multi year with, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't rull that
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  Speaker 2: out either. Let's say just you go for Bregmant and
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  Speaker 2: you don't get them in Glabor's still in the market,
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  Speaker 2: you have them for two or three years. Yeah, manah maybe.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go. All right, we are going to
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  Speaker 1: take a quick break and then afterward we're just gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk in circles about free agency and what to do
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  Speaker 1: and what to do with uh with this roster. But
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, I will be honest with you,
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  Speaker 1: Cody and our wonderful listeners and say that my mood
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  Speaker 1: and what I think about what the Tigers should do
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  Speaker 1: is very likely to change week to week. I would
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  Speaker 1: like I fully admit that, so when people say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you change your mind, you flopped, It's just what I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking in the moment. So I'm being honest about it.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, I'm feeling very go for it ish for
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers, and I base that on You're technically a
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  Speaker 1: stalemate franchise right now, as you have really only gotten
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  Speaker 1: more innings than last year than you did the previous year,
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  Speaker 1: but the end result was the same five games in
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  Speaker 1: the DS. You have the best pitcher on the planet,
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  Speaker 1: maybe for longer, but as of now you know contractually
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  Speaker 1: you have him for one more season. You have a
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  Speaker 1: manager that is i would say well compensated and one
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  Speaker 1: of the best in the game, universally regarded as one
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  Speaker 1: of the best in the game. And you have the
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  Speaker 1: if you look at this way, you have momentum. You
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  Speaker 1: have more momentum than you've had and and kind of
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  Speaker 1: the generation of Tigers fans you know, ten fifteen years
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  Speaker 1: or whatever like you have. You have a ton of momentum.
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  Speaker 1: This is the time to see it. There's enough guys
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  Speaker 1: out there available that you can go do it. And
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  Speaker 1: also last year you did try to get Alex Bregman,
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  Speaker 1: so like like it stands the reason that you could
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  Speaker 1: do the same similarly this season. And even if it's
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  Speaker 1: not bregmant makes some sort of splash and realize that
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  Speaker 1: like teams around you are spending money teams but behind
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  Speaker 1: you are still talented even if they had down years,
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  Speaker 1: and you are not a like this is a winnable division,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not a shoeing for it by any stretch
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  Speaker 1: of the imagination like I do. I do not feel
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  Speaker 1: like treading water right now. That's my thoughts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and I tend to agree with you. But I
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  Speaker 2: finally felt decompressed enough from the season to really look
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  Speaker 2: at things, write some things out this week, and I
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  Speaker 2: kind of came to an opposite conclusion in that after
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  Speaker 2: looking at it, I don't I don't know that I
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  Speaker 2: how optimistic I feel about the Tigers pursuing one of
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  Speaker 2: these big takes positioned players. I want to spend most
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  Speaker 2: of this segment with his graphic up on the screen
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  Speaker 2: if you're watching on YouTube, just so everyone can get
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  Speaker 2: a little idea. This is a rough draft of how
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  Speaker 2: I right now I think you could project the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: opening day roster. This is with Kevin McGonagall on it
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  Speaker 2: at second base, which no guarantee, but I think you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna want this guy to play a lot in the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues. And if you want him to play a
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  Speaker 2: lot in the big leagues given the prospect promotion incentive,
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  Speaker 2: the best way to manage that assets to have him
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  Speaker 2: on the opening day roster. So let's say col you
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  Speaker 2: know cold Keith could play second, McGonagall could play third.
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  Speaker 2: You could flip that one way or another. But the
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  Speaker 2: point I'm getting at there, let's say Labor ops in
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  Speaker 2: or accepts the qualifying offer. All right, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why are you doing McGonagall. Is he gonna play short
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  Speaker 2: is he gonna start in triple A? You got Cold
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  Speaker 2: Keith Man, who when you look at this, the case
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  Speaker 2: for trading him from a roster constru production standpoint makes
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  Speaker 2: some sense. But again from an asset management standpoint, a
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  Speaker 2: young player, a talented young player who's still improving. I
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  Speaker 2: still don't think it makes sense that all leads to
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  Speaker 2: like is Alex Bregman actually what you need because you
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  Speaker 2: kind of have options at third base and second base.
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  Speaker 2: You have Max Anderson, you have how you Lee on
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the way. I don't know how good either of those
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: guys will be in the majors, but the Tigers like
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: their young players. We all know this, and so Bob
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Baschett maybe if you think he can play shortstop. He
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: had a terrible year defensively. But one conclusion I come
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: away from is maybe we got to stop talking less
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: about these corner guys, because the Tigers were I think
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: twenty eighth in a shortstop war and twenty fourth in
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: war from center fielders. Get granted, Meadows and Vierling were
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: hurt for most of the year, but I think the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: more glaring needs. Ways to improve the team might be
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: shortstop in center field. And then with Flarity, you got
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: five starters coming back. Assuming Melton's a starter, you're gonna
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: sign at least one more. I hope they go after
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: a Michael King or a comparable guy. If not Dylan
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Cees giving you're gonna lose Scooble, Flarty and Mins after
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: this season, but you're in pretty good shape. Cater Montero
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: will be. There's depth, and then you've got to do
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: some real stuff in the bullpen. I mean, you gotta
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: get more swing and miss. Personally, I think that should
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: involve spending some money getting a real guy. But even
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: if you don't do that, you can get Kyle Finnigan,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: you can get Pete Fairbanks, you can get some good arms.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe you need a power lefty. So that's just kind
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: of my quick overarching thoughts here and what comes to
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: mind for you.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: So when you look at the graphic and again I
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: hope you guys you know, are watching on YouTube because
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it does just kind of illustrate a lot of what
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here. This feels I know it's not
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the complete roster, but this fe rather thin. And but
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: just look, but we know who the other names are,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: right and and and in regards to McGonagall, I don't
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: know if this is gonna be popular take among the Tigers,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: faithful Cody, I'm as hot i've been. People have listened
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to us. No, I've been as high on McGonagall as
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: anybody since they drafted him. So I think I hope
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: like people, you know, keep that in mind when I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: say this. I'm just not sure I'm letting McGonagall break
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: either break camp with the team or you know, come
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: up at some point this year sort of anchor my
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: offseason because he has not he's not playing Triple A. Okay, Like, like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the talent is there, I believe in it, Like the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: guy is there, Like yeah, like I'm all in on
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: McGonagall long term. But if you're trying to win a division,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: potentially win a World Series, win a pennant, is this
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: is how comfortable are you with that? With a guy
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: who like I said, is not playing triple A. It
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: just got the double A. It's not like he spent
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: all year you know, in in eerie so uh so, yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: like it just it makes it makes me a little
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: bit nervous about that. And then you bring in the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: draft compensation element, uh for for player advancement. I just
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: don't think it's that great of a threshold that you
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: have to like pencil pen this in because you have
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to win. He has to win Rookie of the Year
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: like that. That's not a that's not a small thing.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Win Rookie of the Year to get that draft pick. Yeah,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the MVP thing too, but again that's not it's a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: pretty narrow list of guys who are like what top
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: three and m VP, uh, you know, voting like it.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It's hard to do. It's hard to do. So I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: am okay with McGonagall being part of this major league
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: team the vast majority, even like even if it becomes
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: like he breaks camp with the team, he earns it
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But I just don't know if
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that should be something that holds you, you know, prevents
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you from making other moves. And you know you mentioned
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: bobashett I want to bring up Bobachhett a little bit
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: because you said he wasn't you know, it wasn't great
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: defensively he was negative point four. He was negative point
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: four d war last season. Like like, I.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Think I'm done with defensive war because it never adds
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: none of the other metrics like support it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, okay, okay, Bob Ryan, but I'm just
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: telling you that that's.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: A negative twelve drs. He's negative thirteen outs above average.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: He's one of the worst defensive shortstops and all baseball.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: He's a guy that is a right handed bat that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: was offensive war your fancy he was a four point
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: seven offensive war.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: He can hit last season, and and and he would.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Very much though low league average walker rates scared me.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And he's still this side of thirty, which is which
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: is another factor that I'm considering. And and and he's
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: he's been a pretty healthy guy his entire career. If
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you go back to two thousand and twenty one, other
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: than twenty four he was he had six hundred near
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: seven hundred play appearances. So he's a guy that you
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: can rely on in that regard. In my opinion, shifting
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: gears again as my mind just kind of goes in
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: different directions. I am pro Colt Keith, I believe and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: like he is an ascending talent. As we talked about
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: previously this offseason, I think there is a way for
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it to be quote good asset management if you trade
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Colt Keith for the right kind of player. So like
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I agree, well, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. You know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's like it's not you can't trade them for anything
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: less than like a stud in my opinion. Uh, and
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: then you look at you look at this, You look
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: at this roster right here. We we we always said like, oh,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know, they're kind it's kind of overrated that the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Tigers are like a little bit too left handed. Well
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: this is what you got. It's no longer an overrated
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: notion that the Tigers are too left handed. And uh, you're.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Great against left handed pitching last year despite being a
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: little too left handed. But you're right that this does
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: not include glabor tour as tours or not, you pretty
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: much have to bring another right handed bat on this team.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: That's that's the other thing I keep coming back to, Like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: if you don't bring in a trustworthy right handed bat
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: this offseason, I just feel like that's one of those
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that's not Monday morning quarterbacking in next August or whatever,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: when when the team is flounding around five hundred. This
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: is a very this is this was a it's a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: very easily identifiable hole. And there are plenty of options,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I would say, of guys that you can bring in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that even offer some more up offensive upside and some
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: defensive versatility. So and we haven't even talked about Zach
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: McKinstry and how Fie fits in all this, Like you know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: how've er bys like that. That's another thing too about
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: this lineup that you that you put out here on
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the graphic. You go into twenty twenty six with more
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: or less this group, you are clinging to the fact
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that center field, Parker Metals and Matt vier Lane was
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: kind of like a year from hell and they just
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: never had a shot and they're gonna be back to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: something closer to twenty twenty four stands. The reason it
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: could happen certainly not bankable. And then there are so
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: many regression candidates on the screen right now, Cody, Like,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you know, Specer Torksen, what what a season he had,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: But like, how comfortable are you with no real backup
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: plan at first base. Hobby Bias a lot of fun.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Give him credit for the for the postseason. He's also
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: another year older, and and and and he and his
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: tigers ten years speaks for itself, all right. And then
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Zach McKinstry as well, like it is another guy that
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you're just like, okay, and and you know Wentze, you
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: know like and then and then it's just a bunch
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: of kind of like juggling guys that you know are
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: slightly above average but could fall to being quite below
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: average dudes, if you know, if if the league catches
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: up to him a little bit. So like this, this
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: right now feels like a team with very little margin
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: for error, And it's what does it have to be
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that way? Oh?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I agree with you, But let's talk some scenarios. Let's
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: say Labor Torez accepts the qualifying offer. So are you
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: gonna start McGonagall in triple A automatically? Maybe have him compete?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I guess you take Trey Sweeney off this roster. Mcgonagall's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: playing a lot a shortstop. Are you actually comfortable with that?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: You know, he mixes in at some second and third
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that could be possible but Torres is a second. Are
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: you going after Alex Bregman? Then what are you doing
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: with cold Keith like you? Are you going to option them?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Are you? You would almost have to trade him if
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: you plan on going after a Bregman. And although maybe
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: there's an argument for that, that doesn't seem very Tigers
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: like that. Seems like that would take a different line
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: of thinking than we have seen so far from the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Scott Harris regime that has been focused on so sustainability
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and future and youth and a homegrown core. That would
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: mean trading a good young player and signing an expensive,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: aging veteran player might be what it takes to win
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the World Series. But are the Tigers about that life?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the whole question at hands here. So
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: in that scenario, I don't know. That's why I'm like, shortstop,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You're right, Bishett, what's your actual evaluation? Can he play there?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: People are probably about tired of hearing about my love
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: for Hassan Kim, But man opted out and he's gonna
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: be cheap again, and I think, man, the Tigers should
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: be all over that. Yeah, maybe his arms not what
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: it once was. I think he's still a pretty good
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: shortstop Hobvey. The best thing he showed last year was
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: his versatility. He can roam around, and at the end
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of the day, he's probably not a guy you want
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: playing every day anyway. And then centerfield, I don't think
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: there are a great center field solutions in free agency.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Jaron Duran kind of an interesting option though. On the trademarket.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Could Scott Harris pull off a blockbuster scoobled of the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Red Sox for Duran and some other pieces, that'd be fine.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I see it. It's it's also
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: very hard to actually see that happening. So again, Yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you talking about like talking in circles. I think I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: just talked to myself in a circle. I think they
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: have to get better. I don't know what the actual
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: answer is. Scott Harris is never gonna tip his hand,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: but I hope next week at the GM meetings he
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: says something to share what's going on in his brain,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: so we can move forward with at least a little
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: clear idea of what lane they want to pick here.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I think there's there's this You mentioned it a couple
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of times and I and it's not wrong, but I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: still kind of think it's a little bit. I think
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: it's like it's like eight point nine and added ten correct,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and that's like, is that really what the Tigers do?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Is that their mantra? Like that broader statement that you
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: just said, what the Tigers do is like in multiple
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: occasions over the off the past couple off seasons, they've
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: shown an ability to be creative. The glabor Torus thing
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: was a creative way to add to your team. Uh.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: The pursuit of Alex Bregman was something that, like with
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the reported contract offer last offseason, was something that we
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: would deem like out of character for the front office.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? But they, but they, but
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: they made that effort. They they technically gave him the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: best like the in terms of you know, sheer dollar amount.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: They gave him the best offer and he decided to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: go to the Red Sox. But wha, we don't have
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: to rehash all of that. But it stands the reason
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that you could there is a creative element that we're
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: not thinking of that could improve all these things that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: we're saying. Uh uh again the McGonagall thing, it's how
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: many times we see prospects come up and they struggle
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: because newsflash, major League baseball pitching is really good and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the coaches are really good and they know how to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: attack you, and it might it stands the reason, there's
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a good case to be made that it's probably not
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: for the best of his long term development for him to,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you know, be thrown into the major league. So I'm
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: good with I'm good with Torres, I'm good with I'm
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: good with pursuing Alex Bregman. I'm I'm I'm still on
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the Kim train with you there. So like, don't think
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it's a solo act. Like I'm all aboard that as
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: well at twenty twenty five, just as a wash forum
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: coming off that injury. But like I I I still
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: think you could keep Cole Keith in in a variety
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: of these scenarios and you just kind of figure it out,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: get the guys, and then figure it out, like you know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: if you're Scott Harris, like okay, aj, we got you,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: this guy, we got you this dude. Figure out a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: way to make this lineup work defensively, offensively.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Figure out what the Boston Red Sox did last year.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: It's what they did. They had all these young players,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: they had devers, they went and signed Bregmant, and they
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: kind of said, we'll figure it out with Roman Anthony
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and with Christian Campbell and with Marcella Meyer. Figuring it
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: out ended up trading Raphael Devers, which in the long
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: term we'll probably be looked back when a good thing.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: So you could say, that's great, that's a great aggressive
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: model you should follow. Tigers are probably up there saying,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you know, who won the same amount of games as
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the Boston Red Sox. We did? You know who made
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the playoffs?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: We did?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And they did and that well, yeah, and they made
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: a little wild cards made it farther than them. Yeah,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: So that's I think always the drawback the reason I
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: am still hesitant to see the Tigers kicking it into
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: that next level of aggression because even though sometimes it
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: feels like a little bit of smoke and mirrors, they
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: won the same amount of games as the team that
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: did probably something closer to what fans would like to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: see the Tigers do and what I would like to
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: see the Tigers do, because if you're if you're serious,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: you have to find a way to raise your ceiling.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they don't have a good team, It
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean they don't have a healthy organization. It doesn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: mean the future is bright, right, But I don't know, man,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I don't that that might be the best way to
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: put it right there is you have to find a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: way to raise your ceiling. We talked for twenty minutes
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: about this and and it really kind of comes down
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to that, because like the the ceiling for this team
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that we had that we that we've been talking about
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: through the graphics up right now, it's not that high
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in the floor is certainly scooble.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Your ceiling drops significantly unless you do some real other
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: moves on.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Top of it. Yes, So like raise your ceiling and
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and then and then just and and and and figure
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it out. Like the Campbell thing is an ultimate example.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I should have brought that up with McGonagall concerns. Dude
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: tore through the minor leagues, man, and he had like
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a good March slash April and was unplayable, like like unplayable.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: So they had to send them down. And that's that's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: another thing. You know what happens if mcgonagall's the only
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: second base option and then you you know, he struggles
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and you know it's may twenty eighth, and it's like, well,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: we got to send him down because he's you know,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: he's batting one ninety eight or whatever. You know, Like
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: it's it's a concern. It's a concern. And another thing
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: too that people need to kind of realize and I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: got and I say people, I mean everybody, myself included,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: is that these front offices, like the best teams in
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: baseball aren't spenders with no like analytical approach or whatever,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: or just the savvy analytical teams that don't spend. The
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: best teams in baseball are doing both okay, like and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it's really actually been that way for a long time,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: but we always kind of think of it as an
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: either or proposition that Sock would be an example of that. Obviously.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: The Dodgers are an example of that. You can do both.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You are capable of doing both, in my opinion, So
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: do so do both? So do both. You are a
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: stalemate franchise right now that people are kind of selling
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: trying to you know, sell high on. Yeah, there's plenty
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: of opportunities there to uh to change that. All right,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: let's transition quickly here. Tigers did make some some coaching
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: moves are they are they confirmed yet or are we
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: still going? Okay, just wanted to make sure they're and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I want to speak out of turn, but they have
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: hired Anthony Sanders and Cody Ashy Ashy yes, correct ash
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: from the Baltimore Orioles. Uh. Sanders will be the first
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: base coach as she will be an assistant hitting coach. Also,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Gary Jones will no longer return. There are probably other
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: moves that I am uh and I I am forgetting,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: but uh, but yeah, you're.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: The ones on the major league staff. There's some other
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: front office shuffling. Congrats to everyone involved if you haven't
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: been keeping track. Keith Beauregard, the assistant hitting coach, is gone,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Anthony Ipocy, first base coach, is gone, and Gary Jones
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: is gone. Anthony Sanders he was with the Orioles as
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: first base coach, been there since twenty twenty. They hired
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: him and then Cody ashey hitting coach. Before that, he
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: was a major league strategy coach with the Orioles. They
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: are at him. I don't know that much about these guys,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna say whether it's a good or
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: bad higher. I don't think a J. Hinch would hire
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: them if they weren't good coaches with good reputations. It
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: is interesting plucking two guys from a team that really
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: underachieved not all that long ago. Ashy was kind of
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: a hitting coach on the rise, like he was a
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: pretty hot name, and then Orioles fans were kind of like,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: you know, dancing on his grave, glad to see him
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: leave after a lot of young hitters underachieved last season.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Hitting coach a tough job, man. I'm going to assume
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Ashy is a talented guy and has some good thoughts
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: where the Tigers would not have hired him. So maybe
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: they just saw the floor falling out in Baltimore last
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: year as an opportunity to get some talented coaches who
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: were kind of casualties of that. Still kind of interesting
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: that they hired two guys from the same team coming
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: from that situation. Kind of a situation people crossing their
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: fingers and hope does not befall the twenty twenty six Tigers.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, well you have to trust AJ's judgment here.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I Billy Boyer promoted to a major league quality control coach.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: He will replace Gary Jones on the staff. So Billy
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Boyer had been an instructor coordinator in the Tiger system,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and he was actually around the major league team a lot.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Seems to be really well liked, really talented, good infield expertise.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Congrats to Billy Boyer because I think that one's well deserved.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And uh, and I'll miss seeing Gary Jones and his
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: name toothpick man. Yeah, so that's that's a. That's a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it's a whole new era of Tigers baseball without Gary
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Jones and his toothpick. So we'll see, we'll we'll see
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: what what other moves are made and and uh and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: we'll react to them obviously as the off season continues.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Anything else, Cody, Before we jet out of.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Here, there was a lot of news this week. Man,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're forgetting some stuff. Paul Seawall, the
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: option declined, Rindy Dobnak mentioning, but that option is declined.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: What else? I feel like?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: There's Jose Jose Rich.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I didn't know what to expect there.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: It kind of makes all right. We don't need to
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: get off on a tangent thirty eight minutes in, but
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: it kind of makes the whole Jose Rachiedi experiment seem
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: pointless because that always seemed like a deal geared more
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: toward twenty twenty six, and if you could get something
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: out of him in twenty five, great, well. They spent
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: most of twenty five times about, oh, we can get
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: hera keety down the stretch, and then he appeared in
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: what two three games and looked bad, and then they
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: just got rid of him, and it was like, what
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: was what was the purpose of all that? Maybe it's
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: a lesson learned to stop relying on guys coming off injury.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll see what other moves the Tigers make
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: this offseason. Best luck to who's a Rakidi? Seems like
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: a great guy, but kind of a strange little side
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: story for the twenty twenty five Tigers.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the Tigers are always going to try
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to make as many moves as they can around the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: margins and you know, sort of like lottery ticket esque moves,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and that was one of them that didn't pan out
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: at all. It's it's obviously fine, but uh, you can
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: still make those moves while making the big ones too,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: So they bring it back to the general roster construction.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: So all right, I hope you guys enjoyed that discussion.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: If you have any strong thoughts on direction players like
• 39:56
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• 40:00
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• 40:03
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• 40:15
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• 40:18
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• 40:23
  Speaker 1: A lot of fun, big off season ahead. So for
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Cody Stavanhagen, I'm Kiris Deckley. Everybody, have great day,