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FT BREAKING NEWS: Cody Bellinger signs back w/Yankees, Mets acquire Luis Robert, Owner cap push report · Foul Territory

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Breaking news during the show, Cody Bellinger and the Yankees
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: are married again. Five year contract one hundred and sixty
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: two and a half million dollars. It's very front loaded.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: We're learning all of.
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  Speaker 2: The details as we go here.
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  Speaker 1: It includes a twenty million dollars signing bonus, and the
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: first two seasons of the contract are thirty two and
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: a half million dollars. That's an addition to the signing bonus.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: The signing bonus, for context, is included in that total
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: number that we learn, right, it's not an additional signing whatness.
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  Speaker 2: I know some people were asking about that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's one hundred and sixty two and a half
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: million dollars during the course of the contract, but he
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: gets twenty plus thirty two and a half a year.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: So when you add that up, the first two years
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: of the contract contain eighty five million dollars. That's more
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: than half of the contract in two years versus what
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: it looks like in the last three years. That is
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: called front loaded, and that makes sense because he should
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: be better in those first two years than he is
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: in the last three years. Well, I mean, how much
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  Speaker 1: does he make those first two eighty five million dollars.
• 1:02
  Speaker 3: How much does Aaron Judge make a year? You tell
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  Speaker 3: me forty?
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  Speaker 2: Exact number is it? Forty?
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  Speaker 3: So Cody Bellinger the first two years is making more
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  Speaker 3: than aerror Judge.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Judge signed years ago and he went back to
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  Speaker 1: his team. That's I'm just that's the market.
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  Speaker 3: Saying he're there anywhere. I'm just saying, for these next
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: two years, Yankee fans, Cody Bellinger is making more than
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  Speaker 3: AIRR Judge.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron's a little bigger than Cody, So I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's going to go up to him and say ha ha.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: But for Cody, he can opt out. Great for Cody, Well, Kratz,
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: you're stronger than him, But I don't know about Cody.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: You're stronger than Judge. But anyway, I don't know if
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: Cody is going to end up opting out again, none
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  Speaker 1: of us know. But if he puts seasons together like
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: he did last year, he can go back into the
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: market again. He's done this a lot. He's a guy
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: that's been attached to opt outs. He's got it. Not
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: after year one, after your two and year three. If
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: we have a lockout that takes out of season, he gets.
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  Speaker 2: The opt out pushed back. That's actually language that's pushed
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  Speaker 2: in there or put in there.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you think about the deal that we
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: basically already knew publicly for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Now, whan isn't this what the Yankees offered? Like weeks
• 2:04
  Speaker 3: ago it came out that it was this. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think he got like two million more dollars. But
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  Speaker 3: if five one sixty was the rumor being so, he
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  Speaker 3: could have done this weeks ago. But there's one thing
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  Speaker 3: that one of the main suitters was who the Mats
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  Speaker 3: Matt and who they just traded for last night Atlas Robert.
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  Speaker 3: Then what was the other team? The Blue Jays. They
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  Speaker 3: were probably comfortable paying him forty million dollars a year, right,
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  Speaker 3: so they said okay? And then Bellinger didn't really have
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  Speaker 3: any other suitors that I can find that anyone mentioned,
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: So he took the best deal available to him. Good
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  Speaker 3: for him. One hundred and sixty two point five million
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  Speaker 3: is a lot of millions.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted seven years, or his team wanted seven years.
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  Speaker 2: They got it right.
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  Speaker 1: And Krats, I mean, he put together a great year
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  Speaker 1: this past season for the Yankees, one twenty five ops
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  Speaker 1: plus one hundreds league average five point one baseball war.
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  Speaker 1: I mean five win player is really good. I mean
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  Speaker 1: the park didn't hurt. His ops at home was nine
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  Speaker 1: oh nine, his ops on the road was seven to fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: He just fit really well with this squad. He also
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: improved his numbers significantly against left handed pitching him. He
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: was one of the better lefty edders against lefty pitching
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  Speaker 1: this past season. So he had a really strong year.
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: It's a good marriage. Keep it running, absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we've said it the whole time that I
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  Speaker 4: think the value is not just in the fact that
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  Speaker 4: he had twenty nine homers. I think everybody on the
• 3:22
  Speaker 4: team's home runs spiked, from Ben Rice to Jazz Chisholm.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Anthony Volpi had. You know, I think he
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  Speaker 4: had nineteen homers. Like the home runs are gonna come
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  Speaker 4: to me. For Cody to be the most valuable to
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  Speaker 4: a team, it's gonna not be if he hits thirty homers.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna be if he puts together good at bats
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  Speaker 4: around Judge wherever that is. If they're going to settle
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  Speaker 4: him in behind Judge, he's got to be able to
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  Speaker 4: put together good at bats to be able to knock
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  Speaker 4: Judge around when they're walking him one d to one
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  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty times, and it's you know, it's being
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  Speaker 4: a past in that lineup. But then also giving the
• 4:04
  Speaker 4: Yankee some flexibility, not just this year where he will
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  Speaker 4: not play center field. Trent Grisham will play center field
• 4:10
  Speaker 4: because Trent Grisham's making the qualifying offer twenty two million,
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  Speaker 4: but where he can play left Ben Rice catches some
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  Speaker 4: games he's going to move away from first now they
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  Speaker 4: don't have to find another first baseman. Cody can fill
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  Speaker 4: in it first, and then most likely when Trent Grisham
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  Speaker 4: leaves next year, he can slot in in center field.
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  Speaker 4: Does he play the entirety of the rest of his
• 4:30
  Speaker 4: contract last four years in center field. I don't know.
• 4:35
  Speaker 4: We don't know where that's going to be. But I
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  Speaker 4: think this was as much as Yankee fans, I think
• 4:40
  Speaker 4: started sweating a little bit. This was my This was
• 4:45
  Speaker 4: my lock, and then my second lock was Bragman back
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  Speaker 4: to the Red Sox. Well, clearly my second lock missed
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  Speaker 4: this one hit. And I'm glad for both because he
• 4:54
  Speaker 4: had success there and he doesn't have to play the
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  Speaker 4: opt out game, but he can and if he.
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  Speaker 1: Wants to remember one year ago he was traded from
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs to the Yankees, and the Yankees took on
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  Speaker 1: ninety percent of that contract, but the Cubs had to
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  Speaker 1: eat five million dollars. It wasn't an easy contract to swap, right.
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  Speaker 1: It was two years fifty two and a half million
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  Speaker 1: left and five of that was covered, so the Yankees
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: were taking on two years forty seven point five million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: My point is that his stock swored this past season
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: with the Yankees, especially within the Yankees, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was not looked at across baseball as a superstar.
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  Speaker 1: It was looked at as someone who had MVP moments
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  Speaker 1: and then had low points, had shoulder issues, had inconsistencies
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  Speaker 1: with swing, but really has become an all around player
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  Speaker 1: and had a great year.
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  Speaker 4: For New York.
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  Speaker 3: No, what's not the right? What is this?
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  Speaker 4: Did his stock storp?
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  Speaker 3: I just think he had two solid years back to back,
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: and actually he didn't really, he had one year back
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  Speaker 3: to back.
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  Speaker 1: This year was really good and it was a perfect match.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say his stock.
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  Speaker 3: Went up surely because he was able to handle New York.
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  Speaker 3: He played well in New York, and therefore the Yankees
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: for the Yankees his stock sword. Right again, what were
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  Speaker 3: the other suitors? That's the thing, that's my thing right now.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know the others back, but the Mets. The
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  Speaker 3: Mets were definitely interested, and they were not in his
• 6:24
  Speaker 3: number because I they would have been in this number,
• 6:26
  Speaker 3: they would have got it done. Knowing Stevie Cohen, if
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  Speaker 3: there's two teams that are closed, he'll just say, oh,
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: here's twenty extra million, go get it done. Right, He
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  Speaker 3: didn't do that.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted a shorter term deal.
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  Speaker 1: We'll find out maybe what that looked like, but it
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  Speaker 1: was probably two maybe three years. Okay, you got a
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  Speaker 1: mini version of the Bobaschett offer that goes on, what
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  Speaker 1: does this do for Jason Domingos?
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: What does this do for Spencer Jones? What does this
• 6:47
  Speaker 3: do for some of those Yankee hype prospects that we've
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  Speaker 3: been hearing about for so long? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Trade one of them from Freddy par Alton.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, which one.
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  Speaker 4: H h Which one goes?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Which one goes? Or which one? Would we trade either?
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  Speaker 3: Or you tell me which one should go? Which one
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  Speaker 3: is gonna go?
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  Speaker 4: If I'm the Brewers, I take Spencer Jones. I think
• 7:12
  Speaker 4: you've seen what Jason Deminguez can do, has done whatever?
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  Speaker 4: And can you afford to have him hit right handed?
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  Speaker 4: Or does he become a platoon Obviously, you don't know
• 7:23
  Speaker 4: what Spencer Jones is gonna do, but you're gonna say,
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  Speaker 4: I get it. He strikes out a third of the
• 7:28
  Speaker 4: time in the minor leagues. We're putting them in the
• 7:31
  Speaker 4: big leagues. He's gonna steal twenty plus bases for us.
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna play, He's gonna play the outfield really well.
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  Speaker 4: I mean he's a center field. I'm not saying he's
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  Speaker 4: gonna play center field there. But then you're gonna have
• 7:43
  Speaker 4: You're gonna have Churio him in the outfield. And to me,
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  Speaker 4: it's gotta be Spencer Jones and somebody Spencer Jones and
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  Speaker 4: another piece. And I don't think the I don't think
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  Speaker 4: the Brewers will come off somebody that's not a big
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  Speaker 4: league pitcher like it has to me, it has to
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  Speaker 4: be a big Leagy Pictre because they're getting rid of Freddy.
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  Speaker 1: Mobile dot Com is that Will Warren Schlittler.
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  Speaker 2: Not Schlittler, but I don't think they're not doing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you can't have Jones and any of
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: those guys in the deal. That's too much for one
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: year a player. Yes, I'm telling you that's too much.
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  Speaker 3: Jones has proven zero.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but that's too much for industry standards. I'm
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: just telling you.
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  Speaker 3: Also, So then why when you throw Domingos and a
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: one of those guys it's too much.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: You're going to get one of those You're getting one
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  Speaker 1: of those guys in there, and then someone.
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: On the Okay, where's Jason.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, let me answer the question. Kratz did his for me.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: I'm trading Diminga is potentially in a deal for Freddy
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: Peralta or Nick Pavetta or Mackenzie Gore. Yeah, I mean
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: there's a logjam, and for me, Jones has more upside.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: Jones is much more of an enigma. He might strike
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: out way too much, or he could become a star
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: with Domingos.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: Do we think he's going to be a star.
• 10:05
  Speaker 4: We can ask Derek. I don't know. You can't. You can't.
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: You can't just trade who you want. It's the team
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: who does the team want. That's why I'm saying Spencer
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: Jones is going to be who the Brewers want. The
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: Brewers don't want Jason Dominga's He's right now, he's proven
• 10:20
  Speaker 4: that he's not the guy. To me, I think the
• 10:22
  Speaker 4: Brewers would want Spencer Jones if I'm like, you can't
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: just be like, we want Freddy Peralta and we'll give
• 10:30
  Speaker 4: you Jason Domingus, you can have him.
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: To me, here's the thing with Dmingas. Mingas didn't play
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: in the postseason. Okay, that tells you what the Yankees
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: thinking about him.
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: You think is too low to be a centerpiece in
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: a deal.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's you can't do that.
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Slitler, you have Freddy Perolta. Slitler was Who's
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: better Schlittler? Ferdie Perolta.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: Schlittler's upside is pretty dead.
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: So what I asked you, what's Who's.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not trading Schlitler. If I'm the Yankees, what if.
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: They chose that test, that's we have to have him
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: to get the deal.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: The fuck off.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to the Padres for Pavetta. I'm going to
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: the Nationals for Mackenzie Gore. I'm going down the line
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: for other guys I can't think of right now.
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  Speaker 3: So every team goes, we want Schlitler, you trade them
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: or you just stick with them.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not trading it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So what if they say we have to have
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  Speaker 3: Spencer Jones and Will Warren.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: I still think that's a little bit high I do.
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  Speaker 1: It's one season of a player. Look at look at
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: the deal.
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  Speaker 3: They say, we want Schlitler in and are we want
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: Spencer Jones and Will Warren.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, you're getting Freddy. You're getting Freddy Peralta for
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: one season. That automatically puts you an extra an extra
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: win in a playoff series, because obviously I don't think
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: the Yankees are going anywhere if Cole doesn't come back
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: to be Cole, Rodin doesn't come back to be Rodin.
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: But the beginning of the season, you need somebody to
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: step up to be that number one. Freddy is that
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: number one. And then in the postseason you have those
• 12:04
  Speaker 4: three guys starting your first three games of every series.
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: I don't care if the Yankees strikeout a lot or not.
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  Speaker 4: Their lineup that is a legit starting rotation to have
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: to face twice in a seven game series.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: Now Dominguez Jones and Will Warren plus another prospect or
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: two that is less developed for Terrek Scooble.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: You only get one year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit.
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: Oh now see now the rules change, crowd.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: They don't change.
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  Speaker 3: It's only one year though, I've not given up though
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: for one year.
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  Speaker 4: How they want him? How bad do they want them?
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: But but the point that AJ started with here is
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: that they now have a.
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: Serious log jam in the outfield, a log jam which
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: is Cody Villager the first baseman.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: Well, could be a little bit of both, and it
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: gives you versatility, but for now, it's Ben.
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: They want to Ben run with it.
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: Man, there's a lot of leftended hitters in this.
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: They also have a belief. They also have a belief
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: that Ben Rice can catch in the big leagues. Well,
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: so I'm not saying I.
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  Speaker 3: Believe they but it never happened.
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you that, you know, we.
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: Saw Ben Rice. We saw Ben Rice catch. It was
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: i it wasn't great.
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: But the framing numbers are what they looked at. And
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: so how does that change? How does that change with
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: the abs coming in? Because there is a there's a
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: large value put to that, because if Ben Rice needs
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: to play first base and is a first baseman for
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: the entire season, is that more value than mixing in
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  Speaker 4: Jason Dominga's and left field and putting Cody Bellinger in
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: Because Jason Dimingaz can't hit lefties, so it's not really
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: a it's not really that platoon, and you're not gonna
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: put them in there when it's right handers because you
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: don't want Belly or Ben Rice out of the lineup.
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  Speaker 4: And Austin Wells is left handed, so it's a heavy,
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: heavy left handed lineup that. Oh, the Red Sox just
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: picked up another lefty too, So you think about how
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: it's like working out, It'll be interesting. It'll definitely be interesting.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Guys will get hurt too, well, yeah, wow, John Carlos
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: stands not playing.
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  Speaker 2: A full season or hitting a full season.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: True, So then you have a DH spot that's opened
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: up for other guys to mix and match.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: See, you've got some bashers.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: One of those guys going Dominga is you think.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: You think that they're going to trade one of them
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: between now and the start of the season.
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: I do only because I don't think they're in on
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: the Zach Gowan frambur I'm forgetting another free agent pitcher
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: that's still available, but I don't think they're in that.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're in that realm. I don't think
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: they're in there.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: You think they're trying to acquire someone via trade.
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: I think I think it's gonna I think it's gonna
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: end up happening. I think they would love to sign
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: a Framber Valdez, but I don't know that they're necessarily
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: in on who Framber is or what he's what he's
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: bringing to the table. And I think that's where getting
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Cody back helps, just make some guys possibly expendable.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, last part of the puzzle here, and then we're
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: going to talk to Derek Lewandowski later on to bring
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: this conversation back up. Ryan in the chat where you
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: guys putting the Yankees power ranked in the division right now,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Belly's back. Let's remember the Yankees haven't done a ton.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: This was the big spend so far. It hasn't been
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: a huge offseason for them. They bring a guy back,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: they got Weathers the other day. They brought some others back,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: like a Medrosario. But where do we have the Yankees
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: right now. They got bounced by the Blue Jays, so
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: they're below the Blue Jays. You've got them three who's
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: two right socks? Red socks for you too, Kratz. They
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: beat the Red Sox. Not that means anything now.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: But most likely I haven't. I haven't fully committed yet.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I want to see the rest of the Orioles Orioles offseason.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: I want to see them pick up that starting pitcher
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: that could help put them over the Red Sox put
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: the Yankees. I don't know the Red Sox are completely
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: done either. They need they need a little bit of lineup.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna say today Red Sox are second, blue
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Jays are first. I just think the Yankees will have
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: a good team once everybody's back, but I think they're
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: gonna get too far behind early in the season not
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: having their horses in the starting rotation.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: It finally happened, lou Bob is moving on. We had
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: heard the Mets in the reds forever. The Mets win,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: they get Louise Robert and they pay the whole nothing salary. Well,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: they pay the whole salary, and then they give up
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Louis on Helocunya and last year's when is it twelve
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: round pick? Truman Pauli, Yeah, are you not excited? Are
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you not entertained? Louisa and Helocunya is a major league player?
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Is he? Though?
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: He had four home runs in a Venezuelan League game
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the other day? Wow, nobody didn't stand.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Nobody cares cool either. I mean that's all His career
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: major league gops is six forty So am I supposed
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: to be excited about that? He just started his career
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: minor league go ps is seven fifty one.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, good athlete, speed, multi position.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: No, why the Mets want to give him up?
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe they don't believe in him?
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's weird. Okay. I mean, listen, here's my
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: thing with this whole tairy so not. You know, obviously,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: as a white Sux fan, I'm happy that Louis Robert
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: is gone on this year's team because it twenty million.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense when your
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: payroll is like eighty million to have one guy making
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: a quarter of it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Now their payroll is down in the sixties and they
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: were the Chris Guetz said that they're going to be
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: allowed to spend that twenty million, So why are you
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: going to stop releasing before the season and not pick
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: up the option, and then you have twenty million to
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: spend for the whole offseason instead of two weeks or
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: three weeks before spring training starts, when the free agent
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: market has already been picked through. Right now, Well, they
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: actually spend that twenty million, let's find out. I don't
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: know who, they'll go get a starter or reliever whoever
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: they want to, you know, an infield or an outfield
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: or whatever they think that they need. Now they have
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: twenty million dollars to spend, let's go see if they
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: use it right. But to me, this should have maybe traded,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: maybe happened before after the twenty three season when he
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: was really good, because the last two years Luis Robert
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Junior has not been very good.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Now you can't stay on the field.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: You can't stay on the field. Now, the Mets, here's
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: what they're banking on. Free agent year, change the scenery,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: maybe better players around him, depending on how you look
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: at it, which I think you can honestly say. And
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be motivated and they're gonna get a great year.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: And they bought the Boris hype where Boris didn He
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: switched to Boris, and Boris was like, he's out here
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: working at the Scott Boris Academy and he's gonna he's
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: taking this and we fixed this.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know the agency situation. Think you did right.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: So he's shown flashes twenty three was.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Listen, he's shown flashes when he's healthy, but that he
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: never stays healthy. Yeah, and he strikes out a ton.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: And when he's on the field, he's great, but he
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: strikes out a ton and he's the potential's there, right,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: And now you look at that twenty twenty one White
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Sox corps, they're all gone.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: The team that was supposed to lead them to the
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: multiple multiple parades is Rick Han once said we're gonna
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: have multiple parades. Well, they had a prooptiple parades getting
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the fuck out of town.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe he meant trade parade.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Oh that's what it was. Yeah, I don't know. Listen,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I'm happy he's gone as a White Sox fan just
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: because of twenty million dollars is nice. He wasn't good.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: He wasn't gonna make or break them winning the division
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I was actually about to go bury against you. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: then you made a point that made me retreat a bit.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I was going to say I criticized them for picking
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: up the option, but they ended up giving him to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the Mets, and they take on all of the money, right,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, that's fine. They actually got some players
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: out of it. Your point, though, is valid. Now we
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: have twenty to spend, but we have a third of
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the availability in terms of what's on her mark and
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that probably maybe yeah, but they don't get to pick
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: wherever they want to pick.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: So I get that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Was it worth waiting for months and getting these two
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: players versus just not keeping him Krats and getting to
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: spend twenty million dollars or really twenty two It should
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: be twenty two to be fair, because there's a two
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: million dollar buyout, so if he doesn't get picked up
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: for twenty seven, it's twenty two million dollars for this
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: coming season. Kratz, was it worth waiting for Luisan Hilocunya
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and Graham Paul, who's a later round draft pick from
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: last year that clearly they like, versus being able to
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: spend a good chunk of change on a player for
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six that now is a much shorter list
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of players available.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Oh wait, oh, we couldn't get anybody for the twenty
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: million because it's just not a lot of guys left. No,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: they're they're not going to go get anybody. And to me,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: like did they get I would say they came out ahead.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Did they come out franchised changing ahead?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: No?
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Was it worth the risk? It's like playing poker right now, like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: is it worth going all in when there's four dollars
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: in the pot? What if somebody actually has a better
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: hand than you? What if they got stuck with Luis Robert?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: He clearly was not motivated in Chicago. He was clearly
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: coveted by teams or a team the Mets last year,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: but they couldn't they couldn't agree on what that price
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: was gonna be. Now the Mets went and got Mark Simons,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: so they don't need a depth piece in Luis Ahlcunya
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and so, yes, they came out on top. To me,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: the risk wasn't there. And no, if White Sox fans
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: are saying, oh, yeah, we're gonna spend that extra twenty million,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I have a hard time believing outside of a like
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Zach Gallen for one year is not even gonna he's
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: not going to go there, but he's not going to
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: cost that much, like and is he No, he's going
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: to cost way more than that. He's going to get
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: the qualifying offer and the qualifying offers twenty two point
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: seven I think right now, Oh.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I thought you said he's gonna get less.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna cost more, but not necessarily per season.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, he might cost twenty something mill for next year,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: but you might have to add another year or two
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and then give an opt out or not necessarily. I mean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: we haven't heard a lot with his market yet. We
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: all know the obvious Zach Gallen is going to be
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: playing on some type of contract that allows him to
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: go back into the market. That's a that's a definite.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I'm way against you guys here on two points one.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I do think the White Sacks are going to spend
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: some money between now and spring training. I think they're
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: going to go after someone what I.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Don't know who who we just talked about it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Could it be Gallon, Could it be Lucas Giolito, Chris Bassett,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Guys that are on the market that are in the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: quote mid tier starting pitching.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, that twenty million dollars to get you one of
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: those guys.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, but there you guys were saying, Oh, I don't
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: know if they're going to spend it. I think they're
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: going to spend it. I think they'll spend it home
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: pitching that they can then either flip into the deadline
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: or help I mean, at the very least of course
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: helps them in the first half. And then I do
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: want to make sure we hit the Mets side of
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the equation here he does get a change of scenery.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Jonas wants to for the Mets. Listen to Mets. This
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: is like a no lose situation for me for the Mets,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: because they get a guy that's going to be motivated.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: It's the last year of his deal. He's gonna want
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: to hit the free agent market. He's gonna want to
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: really put up a good year in a new scenery,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: a place where he goes from a team that has
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: lost one hundred games scers in a row to a
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: team that's trying to compete. He's got Lindor Baschett, Soto,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: He's got some dudes around him. Now. I like this
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: move for the Mets. Listen twenty although if you read
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: this stuff. It's really gonna cost him more than twenty
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: because of the luxury tax and all that. Whatever. The
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Mets don't care. Okay, but for the Mets this is
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: like a note, it's only a one year thing that
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: they don't like them. They're like, see a lubab we'll
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: see you next year somewhere else playing. But to me,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: this is the Mets gave up nothing. Listen. They don't
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: care about Akunya. Sorry, he was in Triple A last year,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: didn't do anything in the big leagues. Got a lot
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: of hype because he's, excuse me, Ronald Acunye's brother. But
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: if you even look at his numbers in the minor leagues,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: they weren't outstanding. And then the picture that was it
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Truman Pauli. He was a twelveth round pick last year. Yeah, right,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: and look at his numbers. This ain't knocking anybody. But
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: he has a walk problem. If in college in seventy
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: innings you walk forty eight guys, you got a walk problem.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And then the year before he had forty one walks
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: in forty four innings. Right, it didn't go any better.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: He pitched in the Kate got a bunch of h
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: had fifteen innings seven walks right here, you know, so
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: there's there's obviously a control problem mixed in there somewhere,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: which maybe the White Sox think they can fix, right.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: And he threw four innings this year in professional bait
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: four and a third, four walks, three strikeouts.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they didn't give up anything.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: No, And this was basically the White Sox wanted to
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: get rid of lou Bob and the Mets were like,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: we'll take him for one year and see if we
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: can turn him into something special, and if it works out,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: we'll sign him to a long term dealing. If it doesn't,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: we say, Sayonara, and you hit the free agent trail.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And they're not going to pitch around him when he's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: with the Mets crats. I mean, there's other guys for
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: pictures to circle on the scatting report before they start
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the game. They're not gonna be like, guys, we can't
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: let lou Bob beat us. There was a time period
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: where it's like there's nothing else there.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, so you put his thirty three stone bases in
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the lineup right next to Juan Sota's forty like okay,
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Like now, we're you know, now there's value there. The
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: biggest thing and the only way that this works out
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: like big time mega for the Mets is if they
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: figure out how to get some starting pitching, because doesn't
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: matter how many people on offense they add, they don't
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: get starting pitching, they're not going They're gonna do the
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: same thing they did last year. Can they unlock Luise
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Robert Junior? Sure, I'm sure they can. You think the
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: White Sox weren't trying to unlock them, No, they were trying.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe they didn't have the facilities, maybe they didn't have
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: the people that were able to like connect with them,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: or maybe it's just gonna be a free agent year
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: for Luise Robert Junior, and he's gonna say, I'm staying
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: on the field. This guy since I saw him come
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: up to Triple A. We were there when he got
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: called up to Charlotte. I think he hit like five
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: or six home runs in the series. I mean it
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: was everywhere you were like, what is this guy just
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: the same as Joann Mancata when he first got called
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: up and I saw him in Triple A, just the
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: same Eloy Jimenez. Something happened to all those guys that
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: had supreme, supreme ceilings and none of them panned out.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I don't care what you say about Luise Roberts. One
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: season it did. His career has not panned out yet.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: How do they unlock Luis Robert that the Mets do it?
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: They figure it out. This isn't mega signing and it
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: will be huge cash for Luis Robert Junior in free
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: agency next year.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: So let me read the lineup that Van Grafts has
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: projected against Righty's and sure there might be a trade
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: still for the Mets, and we all know they need pitching.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: They're going to go after pitching.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: At this point, they need at least another starter Lindor leadoff,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Soto two, Bashett three, Polanco four, Semi and five, Brett
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Beaty six, Francisco Abare seven. They've got Louise Robert eight,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and Carson Benge is their top prospect in the ninth spot.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Fine, that's not bad.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty good lineup that can contend that, no doubt.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: But here's all I agree with.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: That, and people in the chat, I want to say
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: this also, Luis Robert Jr. If he was traded and
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Acunya turns into something and Paulie turns into something, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: they spend the twenty million dollars like they said they're
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: going to and they get some decent trades. If they
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: those guys whoever they signed for those and they can
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: trade them, then I'll applaud this trade from the White
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Sox side. But to me, they could have just released
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: him in the off season, got nothing, traded him a
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: year ago or two years ago, and probably gotten more
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: because two years ago after especially after twenty three, they
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: knew they weren't going to be any good and twenty
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: four they could have traded away and got a haul,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: and they and they held on to him because they
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: were afraid he might turn into something. Well, now they
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: trade him away, and imagine if he hits thirty and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: steal he goes thirty to thirty for the Mets this
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: year and stays on the field.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: But he had to get out of there.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I agree. That's why I say for the Mets, this
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: is a no brainer trade. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well we'll
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: give you our fortieth best prospect and a guy who's
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: not going to see the field for us. Good luck.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Where's he gonna play for the White Sox Acuona. You
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: tell me, you know that's I want to know. He's
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: not playing third, Vargas not playing short. Colson Montgomery. My
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: draw's gonna be second. You got so so probably at first. Okay,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: where's he play? Where's the bats coming?
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: They traded for a utility guy. That's it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They got him in center field.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: It's not he's gonna play it's not agent he's gonna
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: play center field.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: They've got him in centerfield. He's fast as hell.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I know he's fast as hell.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: But that might be the spot for him. You don't
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: have to have as much of a bat. I mean, it's.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Hard to be able to hit a little bit to
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: play center field.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I know, but he might be able to hit a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: little bit. Give him a little bit of chance. He's
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: only twenty three, Okay, give give him a little bit
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Said he.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: If Acona turns into something and they spend the twenty
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: million and the Pauly guy, then listen, this is a
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: great trade for the White Sox. They've got it can be,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: but I got it. I'm gonna have to see all
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the That's a lot of ifs and butts, and we
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: know about if some fifths and Butts. You know, we
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: don't know all about that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: If there's a place for him to go, right, it
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: would be a team like the White Sox. The Mets
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: did not have space for him, like you mentioned with
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the White Sox. Right now, this is their starting outfield
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: against Writers. According to fangrafts, they've got Brooks Baldwin and right,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Andrew ben and Tendi who has had severe injury issues
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: right in left, and Luis Anhell Acunya in center, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: even just looking around the diamond, Acunya has developed as
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a utility player, so you can play a number of positions.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Somebody gets hurt in the infield, Acuna can jump in
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: there as well. So he's a utility guy. You picked
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: up a utility guy who's making league minimum. You can
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: be sick and tired of hearing about it, so are we,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: But the stories just keep on coming. Evan Drelik reports
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: for The Athletic, and a source who is in on
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: conversations that ownership groups have, which my guess is that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: they're in on the owners meetings, said they are enraged
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: about Kyle Tucker deal. It is one certainty they're pushing
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: for a cap no matter what it takes see pushing
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: for a cap. That's whatever. That's what this tweet says.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: But if you actually look at the story, there it is.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: There's the quote, They're going for a cap no matter
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: what it takes. Now, I felt like that was the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: case for the most part anyway, the psychology, he's not
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: going for a cap. The Dodgers, Met and the Metal.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: This story said.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: That every owner is unified.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's always this story thinks that there's only
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: two for sure, Mets and Dodgers, and that some of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: the other teams still would be down for a cap.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: This brings cost certainty, so every franchise value soars through
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the roof once you get a cap. That's a fact, okay,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and at least half the league is.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Interested, said Dick Monford, where the Rockies has already come
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: out and pretty much said it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, there's also probably five ownership groups that are going
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: to sell their team if they get the app within
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: two years. It immediately gives them an extra like a
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: couple hundred million dollars. The team that stands out the most,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of course, it's a lock. The Twins will.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Sell as soon as if they get a cap.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: They are selling as soon as possible because they're looking
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: for an extra two hundred million dollars and they're like, sure,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: we'll take the hit and wait two years to get
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a cap for two hundred million dollars. Oruld you wait
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: two years for two hundred mill I think almost anybody
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: on the planet would so them. Plus there's a number
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: of others that I think will be sold if that happens, Nationals, Angels,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: we can go through a whole list there, Okay, White
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Sox White Right, they're already on the pathway to sell that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I think the a's will be sold years. Yeah, so
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams. Actually, it says that
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: in the article. It says the next ownership meeting, which
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I think occur in about a month, will go over
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: what they want to throw out there, what their ideal
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: scenario is, not just with the cap, but with the floor.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: That would be a guarantee if they ended up pulling
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: it off. I still don't think this is going to happen,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: But if they do pull that off, it's going to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: be a battle inside that room because the big market
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: teams are sick of sharing with the small market teams.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: The small market teams. They are many of them are
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: pocketing money.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: It's a fact. So in the article from Evan, it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Says if the floor is too high, it actually puts
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: many of the teams.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Like the Pirates, in a tough spot.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They would actually make much less money than they do now. Right,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: If you're forcing them to spend but you're not giving
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: them much revenue sharing, then it actually would put them
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: in a tougher spot and maybe that leads to a sale,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: which would be a bonus for Pirates fans.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Interesting, right, Just wake me up when it's over. Please
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: wake me up when this is all over. I mean,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: this is going to dominate the headlines for the next
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: what eleven months, ten months until that December first, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: then after they lock them out, they'll blame the players
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: and say the players are too greedy, but in reality,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: the owners will make more money if they get a
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: salary cap, right, so they can say that it's the players,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: it's the players as the players, but at the end
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: of the day, it's the owners that are the greedy ones,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: because they're the ones that are going to make more
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: money off of this. From the way that I've kind
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: of looked at this, now, I could be off, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: that's fine. Now listen to Am I a player and
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: do I want the players to get every dollar?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Duh?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, of course I do. I just don't understand, Okay,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I get the floor thing. Okay, but you have to
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: understand that when a owner goes into a season and
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: let's say baseball in twenty twenty seven makes I'm gonna
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: use arbitrary numbers four billion dollars or easy man, Okay.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Way more.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: You should say, I'm just this is just okay, we'll
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: go ten billion. Okay. Let's say they make ten billion
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven. Okay, they signed this new deal
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: where it's supposed to be fifty to fifty. Okay, well, then,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: so the players are supposed to get five billion. The
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: owners are supposed to get five billion.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Right, does that include real estate?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: No, because it's something. No, that's a different thing, doesn't it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: You know, it's we only get the five billion to
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: go into whatever company that we are using as the
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: actual team, not the sales, not the tickets, not the
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: real estate. However, they break it up into their little shells. Okay,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and the players only get their five million, five billion,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: excuse me? Okay, So that means there has to be
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: a guaranteed five billion dollars in salary spread throughout the
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: entire league, right, sure, what has you know the floor
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: has to cover that? Well, then the next year the
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: revenue goes to twelve billion. Does the CBA have a
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: built in escalator like there's so many? Well it will,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: But then why okay, so if this is a perfect system, yeah,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: why does the NBA striking going in NFL have gone
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: on strikes and lockouts? If they are all cap systems,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: NHL same thing, they all have gone on strike. If
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: this is such a perfect system, why are there still
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: labor disputes?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'll continue to say this.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: It just has to do with actually revenue sharing and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: making the teams actually spend the revenue share.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: And you ask, so that's hey, you don't get the
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: full hooks opened because I don't care what they say there,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: trust me, they are the owners are smart about this.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: They've been doing this for a long time. Ah, we're
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: losing money. Well, the Pittsburgh Pirates franchise is losing money,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: but not on tick, not on parking, and not on
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: ad sales, and not on concessions, because that's not considered
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Pirates. That's Pittsburgh Pirates Concessions. That's owned by the
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: same people. But not that what the team is listening under, right,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: And again I'm just using the Pirates as I don't
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: know that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You're just putting it in vacuum. But yeah, it's hotels.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: It's think about the Braves. The Braves actually have to
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: open their books.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the Atlanta Braves if that counts
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: all the battery money they make, but they made what
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: twenty five million or something last year and they had
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: a battery.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we can see it all. They're profiting, They're
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: crushing it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It's a good example of how teams are doing. And
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: they're profiting with the team and with the outside investments.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Like about the battery, the whole battery.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last word, crats.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: I don't have one thing. The source said, these guys
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: are going to go for a cap no matter what
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: it takes. That's the part that's rarely talked about. Players
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: don't care about a floor. Like a cap system, you
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: have to have a floor. Great, the players aren't negotiating
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: the floor. What are the owners going to give up?
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Are they willing to go to a cap and say
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: four years you've become a free agent? Where's that line?
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: What are they looking to give up? Owners hate free agency?
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: That was the original argument was no, we don't want
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: free agency. Players said yes, we need it. Kurt Flood
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: different guys that held out, that created the system that
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: we have. Now, what are they willing to give up? All?
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: You hear every owner complaining this is unfair. Fans are like, unfair, unfair, unfair. Well,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: what happens if that star is gone now at twenty
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: four years old? When he made his debut at twenty Like,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: are they willing to give that part of it up?
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Because no matter what it takes, there's going to be
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: a monstrous, monstrous concession on the owner's side.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: And if your capped on what you can make, guess
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: where most players are going to go once they're in
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: their mid twenties. A big market to have super teams
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and make more on marketing dollars.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: What or like what's happening in the NHL. They're going
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: to Florida, They're going to Vegas, and they're going to
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Texas because they know state income so they make more money.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: I mean That's one of the everyone's talking about in
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: the NHL. Why do you think the Panthers and the
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Lightning are winning every Stanley Cup and people in the
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: NHL will talk about it. It's because there's no state
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: income tax Vegas one one, right, because there's no state
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: income tax. So players are like, well, if I can
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: only make ten million and I can save ten percent
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: by living in Florida, I'm going to play for them.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah for unless you know, for the same amount
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: of money.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Marlon's and Rais are about to be good. Let's go.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Marlin's and Raised are gonna maybe a destination.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah maybe maybe We'll say, okay, just a minute here
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to get to the Hall of Fame. So you had
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: two center fielders born a day apart, by the way,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and we talked about at the top and Andrew Jones
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and Carlos Beltron getting in. The only other center fielders
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that have been elected since nineteen eighty one, Ken Griffy
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and Kirby Puckett. That is fucking crazy to ignore a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: position like that for that long. You've got to be
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: kidding the age. I already did his thing yesterday on
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Tory Hunter. But there are other names too.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: We talked about the.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Show Kenny lofton there's a lot of.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Go Bernie Williams should get some more letter Williams.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's become Listen, this is my soapbox, and
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: it's become a popular It always has been a popularity contest,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: but now it's even more of a popularity contest when
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: you start comparing numbers, which is fine, I get it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: But as long as you go into and say it's
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: a popularity contest, much like for years ago, Glove was
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: a popularity contest, right, certain awards were popular Star all
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Star games are one hundred percent, especially when the players
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: started voting on him, it's one hundred percent of popularity content.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Oh that's my boy. I played with him, I liked him.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Let's go for him. He's having a decent start to
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: the season, right, all that stuff. All as long as
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: we understand that it's a popularity contest, that's fine. But
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: with the numbers that we used to count on being
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: the numbers to get you in are not there anymore
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: because of the length of contracts and guys playing not
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: as long and all that like three hundred wins, three
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: thousand hits, all that stuff, it's kind of gone by
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: the wayside. Now it's opening it up to more players.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: And what causes it is then when these certain players
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: get in, then you have to go back and look
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: at other players and say, dang, he was just as good.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Why isn't he in? Right, So it may opens it
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: up to a broader conversation, which is fine, it's just
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: as a different conversation. Then. It used to be like
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I used to watch a guy and be like, that
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: dude's a Hall of Fame. I played against Griffey Albert Poohols, right, Like,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: those dudes are Hall of famers. When it gets to
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: and I look at him like, yeah, he's in the
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. Not saying anybody this year or any
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: other year. I'm just saying there are times where you're
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: like and then when they don't. You know what. The
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: other thing I don't understand is if you don't get
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: if you get a certain amount of your first year
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: and then what do you get? Your numbers don't get
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: better ten years later.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: That's always a thing.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: It's like, again, I'm happy Carlos belt you and get in.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I'm very happy both of them. And Andrew Jones, you
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: and I know them both. I played with Andrew, I
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: played against Carlos for a long time. I am very
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: astatic that they got in. But then when you look
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: at and you know, you read articles about next year,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: who's going to get in? Buster Posey's first year, he's
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: more likely going to get in. But then Chase Uttley
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: and you start digging in the numbers, Well, why did
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Jeff kent not get in? Jeff Ki's numbers blow Chase
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Dentley's out the water, right, But he didn't get in
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: until the Veterans Committee voted him in. Why because of
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: popularity the media didn't love him. Correct, it's it's just
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the way it is. And as long as we accept that,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: we can have a conversation about.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Chase out Lee went from thirty nine point eight percent
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: last year to fifty nine point one percent this year.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: He's going to get in very soon, if not next year,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the year after Felix Hernandez had a twenty six percent spike.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: He's going to get in at some point over the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: next few years. Then you look back, how does Felix
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Hernandez get in? And we don't give more love to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Johan Santana, right, Johan Santana was freaking dominant. I mean,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: so is Felix. But I'm like, those guys have good
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: comps in there. Even Bobby A Brave.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Actually shot up.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: And tell me how the heck he's not in.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I have no idea how Posidon.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I think he was only on the ballot for one
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: year and got kicked off.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Well, that's part of the problem, is the five percent
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: thing is kicking people off. Pedroia went up from eleven
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to about twenty one percent. Cole Hamil's first year on
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the ballot twenty four percent. He's going to get in.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: These guys are going to get in.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Then I go back and people just say teammate Cole
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Hamil's Mark Burley. Mark. Cole Hamils has like one hundred
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: and sixty win Mark Burley has two hundred.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: And some wins. It's all.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: There's other categories, I understand, But if you look at
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: their numbers, you stack them up there, you can make
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: an argument one or the other and say you throw
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Andy Pettit in there. Right, they're all like the three
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: of them are like almost equal, right, But Cole Hamil's
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: gut is going coming on later, so now he's got
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: more time where's Andy Pett's kind of get to the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: end or Burley's kind of starting to get to the
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: end now, right, and their numbers haven't jumped enough. I
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: have agree we need to get to may Day. We
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: could do forty hours on this.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Besides the popularity, I think that there was a time
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: period where the ballots were clocked. There was all this
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: steroid era of stuff going on, and actually those you know,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: most of those guys didn't get in right, the big
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: names that we've talked about.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Like Bombs and Clemens.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: And then I think, now there's a market correction going on, krats,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you gotta boat some guys in. They're not hitting those
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: counting stats that you want to hit. So then you
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: start comparing some of these guys that are getting love
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: now and you look back to guys from ten to
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: fifteen years before, and you're like, wait, the comps match
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: up here, So maybe the Veterans Committee will clean that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: up on.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: The back end.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough, and there's always going to because you
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: take that next level of guys, that next layer of guys,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: and then there's the next layer of guys that are close.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: It's it's great, it's a great combo. I love it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: It is good debate, krats ats and then we're getting out.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, DJ came on. I think a sneaky team team.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: I can't wait till we get to there over under
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: on Winds, you know, with that good of a pitching staff.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Just watch them, just watch they might be pretty.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Dece I can't believe that we did Monday show with
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: me out and we talked about the LA extension and
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I couldn't defend him. But whatever, we'll talk about it
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: again at some point. Trevor may may Day Live on FT.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Right now, let's get out of here. Yeah, there we go,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: three o'clock Eastern. Oh wait, that's already on, so check
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: it out part of the FT Network. Trevor's on for
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the next hour. Give him some love, Stay here for
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: more baseball talk. I'm sure he'll talk about Gody's contract
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and a lot more. Tomorrow. Brent Rooker is back on
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the show, looking forward.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: To another guy from Mississippi. By the way, just way,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I went to Misssippi State
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Just saying, sip the sit they can hit