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- Kim: Okay friends, here it is. Voice notes after dark, episode eight. Just just me and bee. You know, like like the good old days. bee: Chillin'? Kim: Just me and bee chilling with With Momo bee: Ha! Kim: and our anger against these VAs who keep messing with our brains. bee: Indeed. Kim: I had a long weekend at a book conference. B has had about an hour of sleep. And you know what? We are We're looking to put out some quality podcasting here. Quality. Quality. bee: yes. Kim: so but we can't leave you guys hanging for a week without some group therapy. That would just not be fair of us. And we have a responsibility now to the community. So we will uphold that responsibility and we will take bee: It's got nothing to do with us wanting to scream into a void. Kim: No, it's not about us, it's about you, the audience. Okay, so this week on Group Therapy, we are going to be going through more of the Deco Hotel. We've got three more episodes of the Deco to talk about, which we are super excited about. our disability audio for the week, sweet words and sex pillows, which was incredible. And then we're gonna wrap up with a little bit of Gemini season. bee: yeah, fuck it. We've got two outlisters Kim: And that's that's that's where it's that's where it's gonna get swary, guys. It's gonna get sweary when we hit Gemini season. bee: Yeah, and neither of us have the brain capacity to engage any kind of professional filters. Kim: No. So just get ready. It's gonna get it's gonna get feral. It's gonna get angry. And we hope you enjoy it. We hope you enjoy our complete mental breakdown. bee: Have a drink or something, just... Kim: In podcast form. Yeah. Okay, let's start with the Amazing Deco Hotel. I this series, all hits, no misses, have not had a single complaint yet about the writing, the VAs, the editing. Everything has just been spectacular. And it has been so fun diving into this series with B and talking about it on the podcast. And having the lovely writers be so receptive to our comments and Jillia and Vi, you guys have just been absolutely amazing and so sweet. So we really appreciate you following along on our deco journey. bee: We're loving the Easter egg confirmations as well. And yeah. Kim: Loving the Easter egg hunts. It's the best part, honestly. so this week we are up to the 70s. We are going with 1975 Deco Confidential. And yes, we have the bee: to rapture. Kim: amazing Dr. Rapture doing the voice acting on this audio. bee: Tribe Eye with Criminal, another New York accent. Just Kim: Ugh I know. bee: end me now. Delia and Vi wrote this one. Kim: so the tone for every single one of these decades has just been absolutely perfect. I don't know how they do it, but they make the sound always feel like the time period that they're in. You know, the street sounds, the background, everything just always feels so authentic in these audios. And it's just like almost it's almost always the first thing I notice when these things start. It's that vibe that is just always immaculate whenever these audios start. So this one starts with Dr. Rapture talking to the listener. He is a private eye who has I think been hired. It sounds like he's basically been hired by the police So Dr. Rapture is undercover. He has been investigating the listener for a while. Sounds like investigating and watching. bee: Hmm. Kim: and knows that the, cops are close. They're closing in. They're coming to get her. And he says, Hey, we can either throw caution to the wind and run away and bonnie and clyde this bitch, or you know yeah. Yeah. bee: You can look down there and see that they're already here. Kim: Or we're both gonna go down, basically. He's not gonna turn her in. He's not gonna, betray her, but one way or the other, they're either going out together or they're going down together. So Really really cool. I I love that he offers to be her second in command. Never bee: I did not trust him at all. Kim: No. Yeah, I I agree. I mean, I think it's hard and I think obviously the listener didn't either. That was the whole point. At first, I was like, Really? Okay. Sure. Yeah. You dude who is, you know, been watching me for I don't know how long. You wanna be my second in command. You don't want to be in charge. You don't want to run things. You don't want a piece of the pie. You just wanna help me, please. bee: Hmm. Kim: You know, kind of hard kind of a hard sell. bee: Yeah. Kim: but then, you know, how he tipped the scales. He swore on his known as meatball recipe. And then and then that was it. Everything changed. bee: I mean, I was just like, wait, what? He wants in? yeah, like she should trust him. Don't trust him, it's clearly a trap. Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. And then, the greenhouse. Kim: Exactly. Exactly. That's exactly what I wrote. It was known as meatballs. Okay. he's he's getting me now. And then it was the th the Easter egg to the 30s and I was like gone after that. I was like, okay, I'm in. Talk to me more, Dr. Rapture. bee: in Italian. Kim: In Italian. was that? bee: I know! Kim: What was that? Ugh bee: It was fucking Italian, Kim. Kim: It's too much. It was too much. It took me out. Took me out. bee: Mm-hmm. Kim: The tell me how to be useful No. No sir. Jail. Jail. Immediate jail. bee: It was very switchy, wasn't it? Kim: my god, okay, that's exactly what I wrote. I wrote so switchy, like I have whiplash, like so underlined. I mean, bee: Yeah, flipping a light switch. Kim: how he was able to flip back and forth so seamlessly and so constantly was a feat. Like I was so impressed by that. it was seamless every single time, and it was hot every single time. Because when he made that switch back and forth, it was just like, okay. I'm a I'm I'm paying attention. I'm here, you know. It was like it brought you right back every time, And when he called her a fucking beautiful menace, mm, call me a menace. I love it. Call me a menace. bee: Menace up princess, there's no in-between. Kim: No, exactly. Exactly. Well, I mean it's kind of true though. bee: Hello, Evie. Kim: I mean, again, I n I know who I am. bee: You own it! Kim: I own it. I'm either being a menace or being a princess. There's no in between. bee: Neither the tween shall meet. Kim: nope, never. one of the tags on this was feral, and let me tell you, accurate, accurate, bee: Cure it. Kim: feral as fuck. This whole thing was just bee: Yes. Kim: feral. I there's no other, there's no better way to put the tone of this audio was it was feral. bee: It was. Kim: yeah, absolutely feral. another story for the deco's history book. I mean I I just Again, another cliffhanger. We don't really know what happened at the end of this one. but definitely another epic story for the books. What one that we definitely want to know what ended up happening. We did get a little bee: is. Kim: Easter egg about this, in one of the bee: Tis way. Kim: next episodes that we're gonna talk about. it didn't really tell us what happened, but it gave us a little bit of an idea of what might have happened. So that was kind of cool. What were your thoughts about this audio pee? bee: I mean, I like the story. I was less a fan of the switching purely because of my own experiences and it not being fun. Kim: Mm. Fair. bee: But I absolutely... Kim: but you can respect the acting. bee: Yeah, was, it was well done enough for me not to go, can't. I was drawn in by the the acting really, it kept me in there. Kim: Yeah. Very good spice. very well done. lots of great whimpering. Doctor Rapture is a is a great whimperer. It's he had a little bit of that pouty energy that we really loved from last week. And I kinda saw that make bee: Yes, do love the pouty. Kim: a return, that little bit of a pouty energy. We we we love Doctor Rapture when he pouts, so Yeah. We're we're good with it. I think the story was really good. I I think this is gonna be one of those ones that we will appreciate it more when we kind of know what actually happened to them af Yeah. bee: Yeah, same with like like Julius's one. Kim: Yeah, I feel like with Julius's we both were kind of like hesitant about like how we were going to, you know, kind of wrap up how we felt about it because it's hard when you feel like it's kind of unfinished business. bee: Yeah, we were like, we were like, mmm. Kim: yeah, we're like, well, I think I mean I liked it, but I hope they're, you know, not dead. You know. So I don't know. I g I I think I kind of feel the same way about this one. loved it. Super entertaining. Very well acted. love bee: Yes. Kim: the script. Love the story. Wanna know what happened to bee: Definitely. Kim: our couple. Yeah. So I think that's where I'm at. So bee: Like, do they end up taking over the deco? That would be cool. Kim: Dobb it, that would be amazing. my god. bee: That would be so cool. And do like tours of when it was in prohibition times and stuff. Kim: Ugh, that would be so cool. That would have been awesome. So this week we wanted to do, since we didn't have a guest and we didn't have another perspective on group therapy, we wanted to pick our favorite comments from Quinn. my favorite comment this week, was, I'm sorry, Italian speaking morally gray doc were entitled to financial compensation after this one. And you know what? I agree. Hey up, Delian. Hi. bee: Yes, Eliza Jane we agree. Kim: We agree, Eliza Jane. We do. Yeah, the accent was absolutely perfection. bee: okay, so my favourite is Bonnie and Clyde vibes, feral and post-not laughter. Everyone shut the hell up, my show is on. Kim: Even bee: Bye, Emily96. Kim: Yes, absolutely. I did remember that one. I did see that one. That was a great one too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was the vibes were perfect. you felt the tension. you felt like they needed to, you know, get out of there. I think that's where the feral vibe comes from. It's that urgency in everything that they're doing. It just makes it feel that much more like feral. So bee: Yeah, and there's like no boundaries to the switchiness. It's just, it's all one kind of ancestral Kim: Yeah. bee: love. Kim: That's why it was so impressive to me, honestly. Like I it was seamless the way that that's the way that he switched back and forth. It was it was crazy. So very well done. We love the seventies. It's just another one to add to the list of the amazingness that is the deco. Okay. B. bee: Mm-hmm. Kim: What's next? bee: Take a wild fucking guess, Kim! Deco Before Dawn. The 1980s. Starring Demon Boy. Kim: If you haven't figured it out yet, guys, Demon Boy is atlas. bee: Although after today's drop he has been upgraded. A demon Kim: To just Satan. bee: level or two to devil because what the fuck. Kim: Yeah, okay, nineteen eighties, Deco before dawn, specifically nineteen eighty-six. Again, the vibes. Just perfect. So we've got Atlas, our I'm assuming architect. Is that do we think that's that's fair to say? bee: Yeah, they're architects. Kim: So Atlas is an is one of the architects who is working for people who are trying to Upgrade the deco. I think Atlas and the listener want there to be restoration rather than updating. bee: Yeah, Kim: They want to return the deco to its former glory. They don't want to change it. Atlas is a little mad at us because we're not picking up our part of the the mantle here and fighting for the deco. bee: The Easter egg, first of all. Kim: The Easter egg, yeah. I was trying to figure out how to get to so the immediate Easter egg of the fact that Julius and The showgirl. They're married. bee: celebrating their anniversary. Kim: celebrating their anniversary. I can't. I can't. I can't even. So clearly Julius' boss was the one who did not make it out of the 50s alive. bee: which we are not mad about. Kim: We're not mad about. We're not mad about. No, we're totally fine with it. We're totally fine with it. I was hoping that was the case. The way that bee: Yeah. Kim: it was written, though, it could have really gone either way. Like I really thought bee: yeah. Kim: that they were gonna be goners. So glad that they made it. Glad that they're happily married in the eighties. So bee: forget. because we were just like dumping on Atlas. It was written by Delia and Vi. And the Kim: Yes, written by Dillian Bye. bee: lovely and incredible decks edited it. Kim: just take a moment of silence for Dex and the absolute perfection that she puts out week after week on multiple audios. It's just Fabulous. bee: The left ear. The, the, the, the, ear shit that she pulled off in this fucking audio. Kim: makes me want I mean like seriously, you know, Atlas is Atlas's voice, bee: Keep me safe. Kim: but it's your your magic and your trickery, ma'am, that make us all wanna throw stuff. So B listened to this before I did. B listened to this when it dropped. I did not. I waited. bee: Yes. Be joint, be listen Kim: I bee: to this with everybody else. Kim: In the Stargate. And she had her freak out when they all had their freak out. And I did not. I waited because I just I find it hard to talk about things that I listened to a long time ago. So I wanted it to be a little bit more fresh for this for me. so I listened to this yesterday. bee: whereas I listened to it twice. I just didn't write it down the first time. Kim: And B watched me listen to this audio. bee: I I DID! And I gave a running commentary in the discord! I forgot that that happened! I loved Kim: She bee: it so much! Kim: she gave an unauthorized running commentary in the Discord. bee: was not unauthorized you literally said Kim: After it was over bee: You'd paused it at like 11, like seven minutes in and said, let them know. Kim: I said I'm gonna need three to five business days before I talk to this man again, so let them know I'm not gonna be there for a while. You know, I'm a little dramatic sometimes. but yeah, I just Said it before, say it again. Said bee: Just to read some va- Kim: it before, say it again. This is not an Atlas fan podcast, but I'm sorry. We're fans. We're fans. bee: We can't help it with this more like, I mean, we're kind of also a Stargazer fan podcast to be perfectly honest. Kim: Yeah. But this man's voice. I mean Atlas just has this insane range. He is just way too good at what he does. And yeah, I I don't know. Fuck off Atlas. That's all I can say. lovingly, fuck off. You get the fuck off of the week. It was the this this audio where we got the Easter egg for I think an Easter egg for the seventies, which was they were talking about how the service elevator got stuck between the twelfth and thirteenth floor. And I'm assuming that that had to do with Doc. bee: Yes! I've forgotten about that! Yes! Kim: I'm assuming that had to do with Doc delaying the elevator getting to him while they were escaping. But I don't know that for sure. But I'm I think that's a seventies Easter egg. But we'll we'll let bee: I do. Kim: we'll let Dylan Vi tell us if if that's true or not. Couple of things that made me laugh when he told the listener, don't stand so close and I was like, God dang it, why is this man even like sexy when he's being a total asshole? 'Cause it was so rude. Just don't stand so close. and then the listener throws a pin at him I literally wrote down, I get it. I wanna throw a pin at Atlas Day. bee: I'm pretty sure that's how everybody fucking reacted. Kim: I was like, I would love to throw a pin at Atlas all the time. I think we need a an a pin throwing gift to add to the server where we could just throw pins at it. bee: absolutely. Kim: something that I that I we've talked about before that I think bears repeating is that the streak continues in the seventies and the eighties of the listener being the initiator of every scene. and again, I just feel like that's such a cool touch that they're adding to all of these. I bee: just had a very interesting thought. You know how when they get caught off guard by like quite violent kisses? you Kim: Mm. bee: think they've ever smacked themselves in the face? Kim: But I I I do I love the fact that it's always the listener who's taking charge of the situation and initiating these, you know, in the initial contact between these two. I just think that deserves attention and applause. So I do love that. the st bee: Yeah, not to mention every single decade is written perfectly as if... Kim: Yeah. The vibes are always immaculate. Always. bee: Always. Kim: And the sound in this one, especially, I know we were just talking about decks, but like the sound in this audio particularly just so intense, so intense. bee: Yes. Kim: from the second that they start engaging, it just becomes this. symphony of sounds that amps up the tension so quickly. bee: Yeah. One of the reasons I was, I am so glad I was in the channel when everybody else was reacting was because I missed something incredible. Kim: Mm. bee: And so did you. That they didn't. A split second just of the condom wrapper and throwing it into the bin. Kim: Totally missed it. bee: I mean... Kim: And I think that's something that's really interesting is that Doing something like that and knowing that probably, you know, a lot of people aren't going to catch it, but still doing it because you feel like it's important to the story, important to the vibe, and taking the time to to do it anyway. bee: Yeah, like even if you don't consciously know it's there, if it wasn't there, there'd be something missing. Kim: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Because background is just as important as something that that steals your attention. so yeah. There was one moment in this where Atlas says beg. bee: Just... off. Kim: It made me it literally made me jump. It was so intense, so growly, so deep, so forceful, so animalistic. I jumped. But after it was over, I was like, holy fuck, that was good. That was so fucking amazing. I I I cannot even explain that whole that whole thing. I think that was the first time that I caught B's eye while she was watching me listen to it and I literally just put bee: Yeah, because I was reading, I think. I was actually reading my book and I looked up at the exact same time you looked up and you were just like... Kim: My eyes were this big around and I was like I mean, I was literally in shock at just the way that he that one word fucking took me out. Took me out. I was so into this audio that I didn't write anything else down. bee: Yeah, like, the last thing that I wrote was, the left ear, fuck off, and then Jesus fuck. Kim: Yeah. The whispering just just fuck you guys. Like that's if you had two headphones in while you were listening to this audio, rest in peace. That's all I got to say. Because just absolute fucking murder when those whispers came out of that man's mouth. I put my head on my desk. bee: I mean, he warned us it was... Yeah, he did. Kim: put my head on my desk and I was just like I I I f I can't I can't anymore. I literally could not form thoughts while listening to this audio. bee: Okay, so the first thing that I said was, currently watching Kim as she eats dinner while listening to Dawn at the Deco. she's already paused it. She only started as I started typing. I'm having so much fun. Kim: I was literally six seconds in and I just this happens to me every time I listen to an audio that he's done. The voice just strikes me. bee: Okay, I'm carrying on cuz I forgot I forgot how funny this shit was Okay, I was good, right? So after that, after she'd paused it, I was good until... Kim was only, like, Kim told me to write this, by the way, this bit. Kim. She's only three quarters of the way through, by the way. I'm gonna need three to five business days before I talk to him again. Just, just let them all know they ain't gonna be seeing me for a while. And then, y'all, I think she's turned purple. she's gone. Head on the desk. She has officially reached ex-parrot status. she looks like she wants to throw things at a certain someone's head. Kim: Pin. bee: She's just remembered to breathe. I think she's at the nice part now. She looks like she's about to arm herself with a flip-flop. She just threw her earbuds off the desk. I don't want to play this game anymore. Kim: It's exactly what I said. I said I took my earbuds out and I threw them on my desk and I said, I don't wanna play this game anymore. I mean, it's just so good and I hate that it's so good. I really do. I already feel like I am one of those people who just talks about how good everything is all the time. And so bee: That's a good trait to have. Kim: Well yes and no. But I feel like I feel like, you know, I don't want people to think that, well, if you like everything then your opinion is not really valid. And then, you know. bee: guess more that we just don't bring attention to the things that we don't like because Kim: Exactly. bee: other people will. Kim: Exactly. bee: particular tag or bit in something, then we just don't mention that we don't like it. We just focus on the bits that we did like because other people, yeah, other people Kim: Yeah. Or we don't listen. Because that's what tags are for. bee: will vote, yes, exactly. Exactly. Kim: You know, it's it's it's just like the concept of trigger warnings and content warnings in books. If you've come across something that you don't enjoy or something that triggers you, then you shouldn't be reading it. And it's the same thing for an audio. If you come across something that is not something that you enjoy or something that you think will trigger you, you shouldn't be listening to it. bee: Yeah, but also, I mean, the fact we're doing this whole series, the whole Deco series, and we've already had examples of both Kim and I hitting an audio that triggers us a little bit. Kim: Mm. bee: But because of the way we approach it, we approach it from a perspective of... If we don't like the audio, we approach it from the objective side of things. We approach it from like the creators side of things. Or, Kim: Mm-hmm. Yeah. bee: you know, I don't like this purely because this is a me thing. It's very Kim: Right. Right. bee: well done and the people who do like it will fucking love it. Kim: Right. Exactly. I I can see the the merit of f of the effort and again, I am who am I? If I don't like something that means nothing. It me it doesn't mean that something's not well done. It doesn't mean that something is not good. It just means that it's not for me. And that bee: I mean, I'm not an MSUB person. That doesn't mean that MSUB is bad, does it? It means that it's not my thing. It's a lot of other people's things. Kim: Mm. bee: It's Kim: I agree. bee: yes. Kim: And I think like you said, even if there's something about any one of these audios that is not particularly our favorite thing, we can still find the value of the story, the performance, the sound. There's tons of other things to focus on, even if there's some aspects that you don't enjoy. And bee: Especially as we come to it through the perspective of the story. Kim: Yeah. bee: There are lots of things in the books we read, parts of the story that we don't like, and that's kind of the point. So we're already used to... separating ourselves from it. Kim: Okay. So moral of the story, this audio is great. It short circuited my brain. I was unable to really speak or form thoughts that will in any way be coherent or helpful to you as an audience. So just know that. Definitely listen to it because it's fucking great. I I I do love the little side message in this audio that we are preserving history. And I love the fact that all of Atlas's anger towards the listener was born out of his frustration that the listener didn't stand up for themselves. And I think if there's any reason for a man to be mad at a woman or someone that he cares about in any way. I think that's a good reason. bee: Yeah, it's more, it's like being angry at the situation, like I couldn't Kim: Yeah. bee: stand to see you so defeated. I had to remove myself from the room because I Kim: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. bee: couldn't, nothing could change it. Kim: Yeah, 'cause it's a it's a hard line to walk whenever you're talking about enemies to lovers or, you know, people that dislike each other and end up having sex. You don't want their anger to be in any way perceived as abusive So this was a great way to allow that anger to exist and not be triggering in any way. so I loved that. I loved the care that they put into, you know, making this story, even though it was very intense, making it palatable for people who may have, you know, issues with, anger or aggression from men or thing anything like that. again, it's those little things, that just really make a difference in these audios. So bravo again, Dillian by just as always. all right, favorite comments about this insane audio. My favorite comment. bee: You wrote yours, Dandy. Kim: My favorite comment was one spank? Yep, we're in a recession. Just So dead. Absolute perfection. Just perfect vibes. Loved it. Loved it. bee: from burn baby girl burn absolutely speechless except for stunning writing editing and acting excellent job team atlas go sit in the corner you know what you did Kim: And he did. He did. He knew. I I know that and this is kind of something similar that you know happens a lot of times in the book space. I know we focus on these VAs a lot and I do want to I never want to take a away from the writing and the production of these audios, but there is something very special about the way Atlas delivers a script. And it needs to be acknowledged. I just, you know, I have to throw that out there. He's just a really, really good actor, so And it shows. All right. So we're gonna stop talking nice about you, Atlas. So fuck off. again. It's just I'm getting bee: Devil child. Kim: next up, we are going to be talking about the 1990s. We love the 90s. bee: which is another good example of not really connecting with an audio versus really connecting with an audio. Kim: Yeah, yeah, agreed. So 1990s, destroyed at the deco, nineteen ninety-four to be exact. love the Easter egg of the fact that this is takes place in the divas suite, which is another nod to the fabulous thirties. We loved the thirties. I Okay. so this is 1990s, destroyed at the deco, specifically 1994. Takes place in the diva suite. This is performed by Billy, bee: It's, this one's written just by Violet. Kim: That's what I was yeah, I thought that was correct. Yeah. Like B was saying, I don't know why. I'm not really sure why. I mean I I love the nineties. I love nineties music and everything. And I loved the perspective of this audio, but for some reason I think it just it just wasn't my favorite. bee: There were lots of little, there were lots of punk nods and like punk music industry nods and like my mum was an OG punk, like the years of the zines and stuff. Like she was proper in it. I've, like that's been my whole life. So Kim: Mm. bee: the amount of like, I see where you did that. I've got wind down here. It's Kim: Yeah. bee: just, I loved this so much. Kim: Yeah. I loved the the vibe. I loved Billy. I thought he was fantastic. the sound in this one was absolutely insane. the way that bee: It was edited by Rain. Kim: The way that things alternated in your ears from side bee: you Kim: to side, the background music, there was crackling, there was just this like insane amount of soundscape that was just so well done in this one. every little thing had a sound attached to it. And I just it was so good. So well done. bee: just love the premise of... It's starting with, cause like my emotions like also followed this, right? A producer who's like, look, riot girl, I'm trying to make your shit sellable. I'm trying to make your shit like go on the radio. And I was literally going condescending shit. Dude, that's why radio edits exist. Kim: Fuck off. Yeah. Yeah. bee: Like, and. Whoa, it's a of a punk burn. And that is the definition of punk when it was like going, it's very, you know, we need to smooth out the rough edges. It's too rough. It's too, and I'm just like, that's not, that's what, who are you? Like what, leave. Like I was getting really, really angry, but like when it, Kim: Mm-hmm. bee: it kind of progressed into him going, yeah, I know. I, I hate it. Two? But this is literally my job. Kim: Yeah. Yeah. It it was that softening of his edges enough to admit, you know, something later on. bee: Billy is exceptional at the Switchy. Like, I've written down here, you know, he's loud, loud and brash, but also sexy as fuck. Like, Kim: Mm. bee: he can do that condescending, angry, authority, boomie boom, but also very, very believable the other way. Kim: Yeah. We love to hate characters like this. But we always, you know, they always end up giving in. bee: I do. Kim: I loved the comedy at the end of this after everything was said and done. We love a little post O comedy. bee: the falling of the Kim: It's my favorite. I love that he was, you know, trying to get her to untie him and he wasn't, you know, there was just that kind of like. bee: He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Kim: Are you going are you going to untie me? Are you going to untie me? What? it's okay. bee: also admitting that he was wrong as well because she Kim: I bee: left him, yeah, leaving him tied up, just waltzing into the room, blasting out something, leaving him just going, okay, well, I should have just kept my mouth shut and just waited for you to do your thing. It's the most punk thing ever. Like... Kim: That was my I wrote down bee: It was very. Kim: ultimate turn on, a man saying you were right. Instant lady boner. Yeah, have a man tell me I'm right any day of the week. I'm good. Day made. bee: I Kim: It just happens so rarely. You gotta you gotta capture bee: So good. Kim: it. the probably haunted carpet cracked me up because I'm sitting there wondering, thinking about okay, who got killed in the diva suite? That's what I wanna know. bee: Yeah. Kim: Are we gonna find out? bee: Because I think was, well, Delia and I did say that, like, there will be a ghost thing happening and... Kim: Exactly. bee: And then I said, are we gonna find out who the ghost is? And then we got the cryptic. Kim: Exactly. bee: Fat writers do. Kim: you know, Billy did something at the end of this one that is no that it that he does yes, bee: He does in pretty much all of his audios. Kim: he does in all of audio all of his audios, but I d is the only time it's been done at the deco, as far as I know. which is the aftercare for the listener, which is just I mean, come on. That's a beautiful concept. bee: Yeah. He, read a poem to kind was, it was just, it was like a centering grounding thing. Kim: Mm. bee: He, you know, he addresses the listener. He basically does a credits role, lets us know. Kim: Exactly. bee: Rain, was edited by Rain, the, you know, like his thanks and all that kind of stuff. And then. he picked out a poem especially so that to ground us from that particular audio it was just it was a beautiful touch. Kim: Mm. Yeah, I agree. I love the shout outs to the writers and the editors because it just doesn't happen enough. And you know, sometimes bee: And he gave us a little bit of like himself, Disney, like saying, you know, as somebody who was very into the scene back then and, you know, really Kim: Yeah. bee: called to me and I was like, yeah, yeah, me too, me too. Kim: Yeah. Yeah, that little glimpse of the person behind the VA is always, you know, always very, very special. And it's something that they don't have to do. And when they do, it is bee: Yeah, it's very precious. Kim: something that should be appreciated for what it is, which is someone, you know, giving you a piece of them that you don't that they don't necessarily have to. so I love that. bee: Yeah, of like, you you, you know, I want to let you know that, you know, if this touched you, then this is the reason that I chose to do this because Kim: Mm. bee: this part of my life was touched by it Kim: point being, we loved the shout-outs. We loved that. Because we all know that editors and writers rarely get the credit, as much credit as they deserve. So we love that. Okay. Favorite comment for the nineteen nineties? My favorite comment was the clove cigarettes, leave the boots on? Sigh. Of course, Billy would be the one to help me discover a nostalgia kink, which is so good. Because that bee: yes. Kim: it that's it though. That's it. That's exactly what it is. It's like you were saying, those things just registered so much with you because They were so familiar, you know? And it just heightens the experience that much more when the things that are involved are things that you identify with. So yeah, I love that. The references, the nostalgia, those are always great. bee: Mine. was from a switchy good brat. As a teen in the 90s that loved Riot Girl, this script spoke to me. This was awesome, Violet Birch. Billy as usual, you made it believable and sexy. I love your knowledge of consent and the check-ins. I am loving this series. Kim: Seconded. Yeah. Again, not necessarily my favorite vibe, but absolutely enjoyed the bee: by the punks in the space. Kim: Yeah, well I absolutely enjoyed the the performances, the sound. And just the effort that was put into this audio. So that's to be commended. bee: Yeah, mean the fact that like, yeah, the fact that like the people who have that kind of punk thing, Kim: Mm-hmm. bee: we were just like, Kim: Yeah. The representation, I mean we talk about it all the time. But I mean it's it just it's nice to be seen, you know? And it always feels good whenever something whenever you come across something that makes you feel seen or scratches that itch in your brain. So I get it. All right, guys. next week is gonna be our last week at the deco. bee: Is it? I think we've got more than three left though, don't we? Kim: I think we're gonna have the two thousands, the tens and the twenties. So three the last three. bee: 1990s, 2000s, 10s, 20s. Well, apparently the maths is maths-ing. Fuck off. Kim: So B has verified that I was correct. Next week will be the last week at the deco. I'm kind of sad. I'm kind of sad that this is bee: I'm... Kim: going to be our last week at the deco. but bee: Bye my love. Kim: I am extremely excited about who our guest is gonna be for our last week at the deco. bee: I can't wait! Kim: And I can't wait for you guys to find out. so excited. So next bee: I'm very excited. Kim: week we will finish up the deco, the two thousands, the two thousand tens, and the twenty twenties. It's gonna be great. I am just obsessed with this series, this concept, these voices, this writing, everything about this entire series has been fantastic. Incredible. bee: Just incredible. Kim: Incredible. So we've been trying to highlight things that are inclusive, things that, you know, make everyone in this community feel seen and heard. so yeah, so we wanted to do we want to try to do an audio every week that is kind of representative of maybe a community that doesn't always get representation in in group therapy. So this week we are going with Sweet Words and Sex Pillows, which was from the disability collection. bee: It was the Disability Pride Month Kim: Collab with the Dex Collective. bee: in July called This Body Wants. Kim: And this was written by Water Lily Wrights and performed by Nowhere Eternity. So excited to bee: It was also edited by Nowhere Eternity. Kim: Also edited which I did not know. Wow. so excited to finally be able to talk about No Were Eternity. we've been wanting to find something by him to talk about. and this was a great, great one. It was beautiful. Ugh. bee: It was a great one to start with with him. Kim: So in this one the listener is disabled, sufferer of chronic pain is what it sounds like. they come home after having to leave a gathering, what sounds like leaving early because of pain. They're feeling down about that, guilty about that, mad about that. you know, a lot of the typical feelings that someone who whose life is altered by something that is out of their control would feel. and the audio is basically nowhere eternity trying to comfort the listener, make the listener feel better, help with their pain. and, you know, help with the mental load of having to deal with something like this. It's something that I deal with. It is definitely something that B deals with. So I really want her to kind of talk about how this audio Felt to her. bee: The relatability was a bit of a surprise. Especially because chronic illness, even if you have the same diagnosis, you can have such wildly different symptoms and all that kind of stuff. In this, the listener has leg braces. She is dealing with something that she had a surgery. So I'm not sure like what I think is meant to be quite generic, but the way that it's done. Like, yes, it mentions the scar and the surgery and stuff, but it doesn't mention, you know, you're recovering, you're going to recover, and it stays very... generic in and like the umbrella of it. So like her sitting down after she gets back. Even though we're not hearing her, we're hearing him. Helping her and watching her settle. I could feel it like I could feel like that sitting down and like Getting your legs up in in in bed and just be my offer for sake, you know, it was it was really really well done and Talking about the chronic pain and when he notices that like she... she's in a lot more pain, like she's in excruciating pain because she makes a noise when Kim: Mm-hmm. bee: she moves. And, you know, usually you can't, like she kind of grits her teeth and bears it was, Kim: Mm. bee: I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kim: Yeah, it that felt real, really real to me because I I've even dealt with that with you when I know that you know you're in pain. I know you're in pain. And most of the time you don't say anything. But then there will be those moments where I'm like, what's up? You know, yeah. And it's bee: Yeah, because my face is doing this. Kim: like, I know you're hurting. Like, do we need to stop? Like, what do we need to do? Like, you know. And yeah, I felt that hard. bee: But was very good. Like it was trying to be lighthearted. Like when he was, when he got the lotion and he was, would madam, would madam like the lemon or the coconut oil? Kim: So cute. So fucking cute. bee: It was so cute. I loved that so much. Kim: I loved it so much. I also Yeah. I do love that it was specific enough to be poignant to people, but also vague enough to not alienate a lot of people. like you said, I think it was really cool that he talked about a scar and talked about pain associated with that, but also didn't They didn't make it feel like this was something that was temporary. It didn't feel like it was something that was healing or in the process of getting better. It was something that this exacerbated something that was already there. And now we are dealing with this on top of this, rather than, you know, a solution. and I like that. bee: Hmm. And it was, I mean, props to Waterlily, because even though it was focused on her legs and, you know, she even had the braces that got taken off, those sound effects. They were just so, so good. And they were subtle enough to not kind of jar you into Kim: Mm. bee: being like, you know, this is a medical thing. But like... Kim: You felt how gentle the movements were because it was so subtle. bee: Mm-hmm, exactly. And I just found it incredible that as soon as they stopped talking directly about the legs, it could have applied to literally anyone with chronic pain, Kim: Yeah. bee: any kind of chronic pain, chronic migraines, endometriosis, nerve pain, arthritis. It was so well written. Kim: Yeah, it really was. bee: the just incredible. Kim: Yeah, and it was so sweet that the way that it was written He was able to acknowledge how hard it was for her to deal with this pain. but also acknowledge at the same time that he's not able to fix it. Like I can't fix this, but I'll do the best I can to help make it better. And I think that that's again, we've talked about that before. It's the type of language that doesn't patronize a listener. It doesn't patronize someone who's who deals with this. You know, it it really speaks to the situation that they're in. You know, we're not gonna fix you. this isn't a fantasy. This is this is real life, you know. and we want you to feel seen in your real life. And so, you know. The fantasy isn't bee: But that leads. Kim: the fantasy isn't about your your illness or fixing your illness. It's about having someone who understands it enough to take care of you and to be there for you. That's the fantasy. bee: Yeah, exactly. I mean, it leads perfectly into. I obviously I don't know anything about water lily, but. I can be pretty certain that she's had conversations. Kim: Mm-hmm. bee: about this. I didn't even realize that I was doing it. But when he was massaging the listeners legs and then being like, you know, I'm just taking care of you. And then like, it's the same as what, like, you know, I asked you to rub my back when, Kim: Yeah. bee: when I've got a sore back and that silence. Automatically, I filled it with that's not the fucking same. I rub you back, but I'm, you know, you're basically waiting on me hand and foot. this is, you have to constantly take care of me. then. He just goes, don't start with that. It's not the same thing. And I was like, Yeah, Kim: Fuck you. bee: I was like, what? And then. It was very much kind of like, I'm a burden, know, why you don't need to be doing this for me. And then he Kim: Yeah. bee: turns around with, it's the bare minimum. And I wrote, I wrote, wow, him saying it's the bare minimum hit me somewhere. Not gonna lie. Kim: Yeah. I mean It's hard not to keep score in relationships. It's really hard. bee: Yes, because that's what he says. He says, don't hit me with that. It's not the same thing. I'm not here keeping score over who does what for who. There's not like a tally system of what it does. Kim: But it feels like it. You feel like you're you feel like you're you feel like you're in a s on a scale and your side is always all the way down, you know? bee: especially if your love language is giving and being Kim: Mm-hmm. bee: useful. Kim: Yeah. bee: when you can't do any of that, it's difficult. Kim: Yeah. To say the least. Yeah. And especially when you actually ha I think I think that's the other thing is that even the people out there who deal with this and who are lucky enough to have partners like this, even in that, they're struggling. They're struggling with the fact that they are they feel like a burden. They're struggling with the fact that they feel like they're the weak link in a relationship. And it's It's so like it's so real and it's something that I think a lot of people don't think about is that even if you are lucky enough to have a partner like this, to have someone who would do this for you and would treat you this way, it's still it's still hard. It's it's still hard. bee: It is, because we grew up with media and stuff telling, like saying that disabled people just weren't. Kim: They're just lazy. bee: Yeah, or they're not anything to be, they're less than in the way that, you know, they couldn't be seen as something sexual unless it was fetishised. This audio made me kind of realize that there's, I always thought, you know, it would be nice to have a partner who would do all that for me. But when I really thought about the audio, you know, and how long the audio was and how it was split up, it's the same as any other audio with a story. It's not that he did more, it's that it was done differently and Kim: Mm. Yeah. bee: when you think about it like that it's like Kim: Mm-hmm. bee: Okay. and I don't know, it's just... the fact that stuff like that exists now. Kim: Big deal. bee: I mean, even for partners. Kim: Yeah. Yeah. Even for even for someone I mean, k you imagine if you if you were in the similar situation to the listener in this one and you had a partner who didn't understand how you felt, even if you had a great partner who did all these things for you, but they didn't understand why you were still. sad or burdened or or felt guilty. Can you imagine being able to play bee: Yeah, didn't understand. Kim: play this for them and just be like, hey, listen to this. And maybe you'll understand a little bit about what I'm going through. It's not that I don't appreciate it. It's not that I don't think you're wonderful. It's not that I don't think that you're doing everything right. But even when bee: Yeah. Kim: you're doing everything right, it doesn't make anything go away. bee: Yeah, it's very much the, I suppose it harkens back to the soul crushing thing that happened a few weeks ago with Before I Found You that, you Kim: Mm-hmm. bee: know, I'm able to sit in this situation and acknowledge that this grief is hard and nothing I say will change that. We've just got to adjust what we do. Kim: We have to live in it together. We have to live in it together. And that's that's the best that you can do. bee: Yeah, like as opposed to I think even the writer, if the writer was suffering from chronic pain, they wrote it from their experience, but I don't think that they quite appreciate just how important this is. Yes, they know it's important. Yes, it's like, didn't get this and now I've... you know, I've filled this hole and other people like me can feel desired. There's something so much deeper. Kim: Yeah, yeah. bee: in it and so much wider reaching. Kim: I agree. That's what I was kind of trying to say. bee: It's just, yeah. Kim: It's it's not just about making the listener feel seen. It also bee: It normalizes other. Kim: Yeah. bee: It normalizes difference in. people and dynamics and ability. Kim: And not just bee: It's like... Kim: not just in the listener, but in the partners as well. bee: Yes. And it's like, finally watching a show, a TV show that has a fat person in it, and them being fat isn't the point of the show. Kim: Right. Right. bee: that's needed and I think this is what even though it is a disability audio the writer managed to Kim: The disability isn't the main Yeah. bee: yeah the writer managed to to make that like special balance that didn't make me feel like, you know, this is just for me. Kim: Like a trope. bee: Yeah, like other people won't relate to it. This is just so that I can feel, you this is the one place that I can feel like relate to, like relate to a listener. But I, it's one that I feel like everybody could listen to this and not be like, not feel. you know, that they were listening to a disability audio. Kim: No, I didn't at all. All I felt while listening to this was extreme love I just I I this was one where I could not put myself into the story but could absolutely enjoy the story watching it unfold and bee: Mmm. Kim: just having so much awe and respect for the not only the listener but also the VA So I I I loved it. I I the other thing that I really just wanna wanna point out is that nowhere eternity. Just dude, you could feel how. he hurt with the listener. Like the pain that came out of him when he was realizing how much pain his partner was in was you can't fake that. It was bee: Yeah. Kim: insane. Like it it got me. It got me. bee: And the pain that he was in when he realised that she was genuinely fretting about what her friends thought about her leaving early. But the end when he says, thank you for being you. You're my entire world. In between those sentences, there are a great many fucks, by the way, that I wrote. Lots of fuck-offs and exclamation points. Kim: Yeah. I mean he just absolutely knocked this out of the park. Like he just killed it. bee: Also, We can't, we can't. neglect the fact that he has a growl on him. Kim: Mm, no. yeah, a hundred percent. bee: Yes. Kim: No, everything about this was fabulous. Everything. And I think obviously we're focusing on the disability portion of it because that is the main focus. But that's why I said I want to bring it back to the performance because his performance in this was nothing short of amazing. bee: Yeah, mean, especially with trauma of being burdened and all that kind of stuff, there's a hyper awareness that comes along with it. that if he wasn't really selling this, he, it didn't feel like he was genuinely feeling what he was saying, we would notice, we would, we would Kim: Mm. A hundred percent. bee: immediately get like the red flag danger, trauma, no things. it Kim: Yep. It never felt disingenuous. It never bee: Didn't as well. No. Kim: felt like he was even acting. bee: No, it didn't. Kim: It felt like it was personal. And maybe it was, I don't know, but it absolutely felt very genuine, very real, and very personal. bee: Yeah. when she came in and he was doing that kind of, you know, when you get that chuckle and you're like, what's happened? Like, are you okay? and give me a hug. And then realizing that she really, really hated herself that day because of her body. Yeah, Kim: And the immediate demeanor change. Yeah. bee: immediate kind of. Kim: Yeah. Beautiful. bee: It was just incredible. Kim: immediate acknowledgement of the fact that, I need to pivot. Like this is not this is not bee: Yeah, like... Kim: the tone of this situation. bee: Yeah, and it also, not even, it wasn't even conscious. was, he felt the, he was like, my God, you're, you actually feel like this. No, no, no, no. Kim: Yeah, we're not doing that. Yeah. bee: Yeah. Kim: I agree. this was just fabulous. I have nothing but great things to say about this audio. didn't want to talk about my perspective as much because I feel like my perspective is just as someone who's romanticizing something that is not something that should be really romanticized, if that makes sense, by someone who's not dealing with it. bee: again, I mean this could also... I mean this could also... be relatable to somebody who has broken their leg and has to be laid up or is on bed rest while they're pregnant. Kim: Could be relatable to someone who just has physical manifestations of anxiety and has bee: Yes. Kim: to leave situations because they're anxious and has pain and things like that. I mean, it's relatable to so many different people. Yeah. I I just this was fabulous. that was sweet words and sex pillows and I was absolutely floored by this. I expected it to be poignant. I expected it to be good. I did not expect to be affected by it as much as I was by the performance, more than anything. So fucking bravo, man. You killed it. bee: Absolutely. Kim: Okay. Last one. bee: Mm-hmm. Kim: What's the last one be? bee: Last one. is a lovely little ditty called Gemini Seasoned. just going all the way back through many pages of notes as I have shown Kim when I was listening. Lots of drawing because I couldn't cope. This lovely audio stars Alice, Adrian and demon boy Alice. It's written by the lovely Amanda Kenwright. It's also. Amanda's first script, am I right? Kim: Yes. bee: But it's also something that she... What's the word? Kim: It is a prequel. bee: Developed, not developed, she Kim: adapted. bee: adapted from a book that she's written that is being released very soon Kim: Yes. Yes. bee: that I am very looking very looking forward to reading very very much. Kim: Yes, yes, very much. bee: It's edited by Tales VA. The book that it's adapted from is called Jinxes and Drumsticks. It's just awful. Kim: Yeah, this was fabulous. So Amanda said, she said it is an it is adapted from a 10,000 word bonus chapter from my upcoming book. So this is bee: Which I'm loving the fact that the 10,000 words is just a chapter. I'm very, very excited about that! Yes! Kim: Bonus chapter Bonus chapter. So let's talk about Gemini season. this is Atlas, Alice, and Adrian. This is on Alice's Quinn, is that correct? bee: Yes. Kim: On Alice's Quinn. Alice is the female in this, She is also the narrator. So this is like a almost like a book, almost like a story being told by Alice. It's told from her perspective. She does a fabulous, absolutely fabulous job narrating this. B and I both said at the same time, my God, this woman needs to do audiobooks. Like her narration bee: Yeah. Kim: skills are absolutely amazing. she bee: It's fucking incredible. Kim: switches from dialogue to to narration so seamlessly. She does it so well, and her voice is just beautiful. And then of course we have Demon Boy and Adrian, who are just diabolical in this. bee: and I just love that Lilith's character, like Lilith is awkward and shy and Kim: Yeah. Yeah. bee: very kind of and self-conscious and the- her awkwardness is just so relatable because I'm almost certain I've done this exact same thing when they're all kind of like being like, and she just goes, I have to pee. So that she can just run and check that her breath doesn't smell and brush her teeth and all that stuff. Kim: Yeah, no, I so relatable. And I mean it is her birthday. And bee: Mm-hmm. Kim: Atlas is her boyfriend. Adrian is her boyfriend's best friend. bee: Orrin and... Damien. Kim: Damian. Orin is bee: This is them sat on the sofa together, just... Don't know if you can actually see it or not. Kim: God, she drew illustrations. bee: Just little sketches of like... because I didn't know what else to do with myself. Kim: So Orin is a romantic. So the beginning of this, he basically says, Hey, you don't have to worry about me, you know, hanging around and afterwards and cuddling. And, bee: Yes! Kim: you know, he's like, I'm basically just gonna be up and out of here and I'm gonna let my my best man over here take care of you when we get done. bee: Yeah, he was like, I'm out as soon as it's over. But it was so funny, like when she was when she was like, have to pee. And she goes in like her narrative to goes, what do I do? And I wrote down, I don't know what you do. Don't ask me, Kim: Mm-hmm. bee: And then Damien's like, are you hiding in here? And I was like, yes, she's bloody hiding, Damien. I would as well. Kim: Yeah, I th there's so much about this that is just amazing. it's written so well, the language, the acting, everything about it is just ridiculously well done. The way that they deal with the yellow in this is bee: you Kim: absolutely just fucking phenomenal. bee: Yeah, when he says, why do you insist on being so disobedient in his like Atlas demon boy perfect shitting. And then she just goes yellow and he immediately is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, do you actually think I'm mad at you? Kim: And the questions, like, do you think I'm actually mad at you or do you think you're doing s my god. bee: I'm not being a brat on purpose. Kim: It's heartbreaking because I will be completely that that one hit me. That one hit me real hard. The people pleaser bee: Yeah, same. Kim: in me was feeling bee: Yes. Kim: that so fucking hard. bee: Yeah, and the reaction I got when I did that, not the same. Kim: yeah, I I honestly my brain was stuck on that yellow the whole rest of the audio. Nothing existed after that for me. bee: when she was crying. Kim: I mean, I was almost crying. And I'm not even joking. and I know that's not the point of this audio. bee: So, so brilliant. Like, Alice and Amanda did this so well that I felt I could tell. Like. outing myself here a little bit, I've, I mean, I listened to some, some audios, right? But I could tell that this was, this was too much. Like he was, he wasn't picking up on exactly why she was crying. Like I, I think I related so much to her that I was like, well, wait, no, cause literally oops, oops, oops, oops, oops, oops, oops, oops, oops, oops, oops, Kim: The yellow. Yeah, bee: Why do you insist on being disobedient yellow? Yeah. Kim: you could feel the buildup bee: Mm-hmm. Kim: as a listener, as a person in that position, and the way that she was reacting and how it was so subtle. But as a woman, I felt it in my fucking soul. Every noise that she was making was just tinged with uncomfortability. bee: Yeah, and she was literally just, all of her effort was just trying to catch up with what was happening. Kim: Yeah. And then that last straw and it's like bee: But because you felt the buildup and because of, because I could tell like in that moment that a lot of the reason that she was crying was because there was somebody else there that she felt was, yeah, she Kim: was witnessing it. It was embarrassing. bee: was, yeah, she was embarrassing herself over it and embarrassing them over it. That when he was like, why, Kim: my god. bee: why do you insist on being so disobedient today? That was when, that was when she just said yellow. Kim: And and that I think that's that's the specialness of having a female in this because As a listener, if Alice wasn't there and this scene was happening, and as a listener, I don't think that nuance would have existed because we would have just been like following along with this story, you know. bee: Yeah, we would have assumed that that dynamic was something that always happened. And because we didn't have her reactions to, Kim: And it was exactly bee: to be like, wait, something, this is how I Kim: Something's off. bee: reacted when something was different. And I really wanted somebody to pick up on the fact that this was just slow the fuck down a minute. My brain isn't catching up. Kim: I think that's what makes this so special is the addition of Alice and the fucking brilliant way that this whole lead up happened. It wasn't just yellow. It was step one, step two, step three, step four, step five. fuck, yellow. Like And sh it's almost like she was realizing it as she was going through it. And he bee: Yeah, it was. Kim: wasn't he wasn't getting it, you know? bee: No, it was definitely, and the timing and the pacing, like the fact that I don't think she would have said yellow if he hadn't said today. And it felt like the word came out of her mouth before her brain. consciously did it. Kim: Yeah. Because if she'd have let herself think about it, she wouldn't have said it. bee: Hmm, or she would have Kim: She would have kept she would have kept yeah. She would have kept putting it off. bee: said, like, wait first, it would have it because it Yeah, it felt like it literally burst out of her mouth because she kind of yellow like it was the first syllable was very kind of Kim: Mm. bee: as if it forced itself out of her closed mouth. And why Kim: Right. And bee: and what I found amazing though was like, because they, they talked about like bloopers and stuff and all that they had giggles and everything and Just, it's hard to. just how amazing actors they are like, cause that must have been emotionally fucking draining for her that bit. It was just phenomenal. Kim: I I don't I don't wanna make this all about the emotional aspect of this because obviously bee: Yeah. Kim: this hit me really hard for a lot of different reasons. but I just wanted to make sure that it that I expressed how much this particular part of this audio affected me. personally. bee: Yeah and I've got pages of other things, the lighter stuff, which is not that yet. Kim: Yeah, this audio was also fucking incredibly hot and well done. it's just that for me, that part really short circuited my brain and everything after that, as great as it was, paled in comparison to the emotional impact that that moment had on me. bee: Mmm. Kim: so I didn't write anything down. I d I just was in awe of that moment. bee: however did. Whether it's... Kim: Yeah, you go, girl, 'cause bee: Comprehensible is another matter, but Kim: Yeah. bee: yes, I did. After they understood what was wrong and they had a little joke, I wrote down, you know, this is so sweet and aww this is so cute Kim: Okay, so basically I'm sitting here saying I didn't write anything down, I have nothing to say, and you just wrote gibberish on a page for fifteen minutes. bee: I mean I doodled as well! I... I coped with doodles. And like in between, okay, so I'll go with the little in-betweeny things that I noticed with like how... light and hot and cute and funny it is banter just peak What is happening? What is happening? Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Fuck this, I'm done. I am currently writing this as an undead bee. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, look, nopes, nopes, just a big, big, big square of nopes there. And then, fuck, and then two lying down melty people. me commenting on Lilith saying go fuck yourself which I loved there's condescension Damien holy fuck this is fucking insane then the oops oops oops oops oops and the yellow and then the fucking gibberish Kim: Yeah. bee: I- Kim: I I I get it. I mean I bee: Mm-hmm. feel it's quite comprehensive. I think I've described it quite well. Kim: I mean you did with almost no words. But yeah. bee: Yes! Kim: But it didn't it didn't it bee: or lots of a single word. Kim: didn't facilitate words. It only facilitated bee: No. Kim: feelings and bee: Coping. Kim: and yeah, so I I totally get that. Yeah, this one was this one was special. It was out of this world. Really, really well done. So good. Adrian was bee: Raydreams, excellent. Kim: fan fucking tastic. Alice was amazing. Atlas, fuck you. I bee: Yeah. Kim: don't even know what else to say. bee: And what I loved is, you know, mean Atlas at the moment, he's got a bit more. experience and recent experience being like a different character quite usually Kim: Yeah. bee: but like Adrian and Alice they're still quite like they their most recent thing was probably still like as themselves like with their names and the fact that like this the whole time I was just saying Lilith and Auron and Damien and They just became those characters and all I was thinking was I need this fucking book. Kim: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, no, this is definitely an amazing way to get people hype for your book because come on. The writing in this was fucking fantastic. And yeah, all I wanted all anybody wants now is to read this fucking book. Like, come on. How could you not? bee: Yep, yep, yep, yep. Kim: How could you not want to read this fucking book? Okay, so my favorite comment about this hilarious well not hilarious. bee: yeah, comments. I didn't even look at the comments. This is gonna be fun. Kim: My favorite comment was from Chaotic Mess ninety two. Not a singular thought or brain cell left. I've turned to goo. And I'm going to bite each of you bee: going to bite each of you! Kim: Yeah. Fair. Fair. Totally fair. Now this is this was fucking fantastic. I I have nothing but amazing things to say about this. Amanda is a incredibly talented writer. bee: And to be able to turn something that she worked like she spent hours staring at into something completely different because a screenplay type, especially audio screenplay is so different to a book. It's so different. for it to have been our first time, my God. Kim: Yeah. No, absolutely insane. and I will I'll just wanna t throw two things out there. The editing in this was absolutely fantastic. The two rips, the two clothing rips were So good. Made me jump both times. Because of the energy that Atlas brought to it. And then also combined that with the actual sound. Fuck it. I was done. bee: I was just so in it. I couldn't even really focus on the sound effects because it Kim: Yeah. bee: was like watching a show where you're like, course that toothbrush is making that noise, it's a fucking toothbrush. It's something that you don't think about and it's just incredible. Kim: Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, I think it was mostly his energy that brought my attention to it. And then after that, hearing that the sound that went along with it, it just really intensified the energy that Atlas was already bringing to those moments. So yeah. It just fucking blew me away. bee: Adrian's because it's difficult I mean obviously I don't know from personal experience but it must be difficult to not only play the the third in an already established relationship but to be the third that is aromantic and is just just the complexity of that character with the situation that he was in. Kim: Yeah. Yeah. And Yeah. bee: to think about it afterwards because it was so natural to listen to that I had to like remind myself that it's... It could have been very awkward very very fucking easily. Kim: Yeah, and I think the distinction needs to be that aromantic doesn't mean that he doesn't have feelings or that he's not able to I you know sympathize with Lilith in those situations. And I think that was the that was something that really kind of made me think was that I think a lot of people would think, well, he's aromantic. He's not a fucking psychopath, like he still feels feelings. bee: Yeah, I mean, he still has platonic love for people. Kim: Like he's just he's just not he's just not gonna f have romantic feelings about them. But that doesn't mean he's not gonna be concerned about her or take make sure that she's taken care of. I mean and I think that's that's an important distinction that was made in this audio, which was pretty cool. bee: Yeah, I mean that, to be honest, like you pointing that out made me kind of remember that not everybody kind of understands or has come across asexual slash aromantic people and may need that explainer, like... Kim: Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think a lot of people bee: BIT Kim: think, well, y if you don't if you can't if you don't have romantic feelings about someone, then you must just be an asshole who doesn't have feelings. And it's like, no, bee: Mmm. Kim: that's not what that means. It there's a difference between romantic feelings and being completely you know, having no feelings at all. That's not that's not what it means. bee: Yeah, you can love someone hard as fuck without falling in love with them. Kim: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And you can be a sympathetic, empathetic human being without be having romantic feelings for someone. And I think that's bee: Yeah, him saying that he was going to, you know, fuck off was just a light hearted, like him trying to keep the space Kim: Right. bee: light, knowing that it was about to be extremely intense. And the Kim: And notice that bee: situation Kim: notice that he said that, but he didn't actually do that because that was bee: Yes. Kim: that was a joke. It was not meant to be like, I'm just gonna get off and fucking leave. That's not it was bee: Yeah. Kim: meant to lighten the situation, lighten the mood of the situation and be like, hey, I'm not here to stomp on your dynamic, you know. It bee: Yeah, exactly. And if it got to the point where it was that intense that the aftercare needed to be that intense, he understood Kim: He was there. bee: that that was not his wheelhouse and he would not create a tense and unsafe environment by hovering in a space that needed to be just those two. Kim: Right. he was there and he, you know. Yeah. Yeah. bee: Yeah, they all had like a chuckle and they're like, whoa, what the fuck was that? That was awesome. Kim: Yeah. I was just th th that's what I'm saying. There's so many nuances to these fucking ridiculously short, amazingly written, so well performed audios. I The amount of impact that you can put into thirty four minutes is kind of insane to me. bee: Hmm. And it's amazing getting somebody else's perspective on on it because I'm used to, creating and talking about whole planet history from a single like. episode that had a casual off the cuff mention of the Doctor's home planet and when he mentioned it and to who and suddenly like we're able to create entire worlds from that. like for me, I was thinking, am I just that used to it that I can Kim: Mm mm. No. bee: listen to something like this and make it into... these people having a life. But chatting Kim: No, I don't bee: to you, it's exactly the same and it just made me realise that it's not my like, batshit imagination. It is genuinely what these audios do. Kim: Think that's what's so special about it because it can be it can be anything you want it to be. It can be sitting down for 34 minutes and just being like, God damn, this is hot. But it can also be an extremely meaningful experience if you let it be, or if you want it to be, but you don't have to make it that way. and so I think that's what's so special about it. It's one of the reasons why I think you and I are so drawn to it, is because. it really can be a lot of anything to anyone. It can be a lot of different things to different people. and so like you can make it as no pun intended, as deep as you wanted to make as you want to make it, you know. especially in a situation where you're basically putting yourself into the situation. I don't necessarily do that. I know but I know a lot of people do. And so You know, that's what that's where the nuance comes in, you know. yeah, it's bee: Yeah, we have a habit of actually creating a character in our heads and at least for me, forgetting that that person never said anything. Kim: Mm-hmm. A hundred percent. that's one of the reasons why I feel like this is such a genuinely special medium. It's it's it's so unique to anything else. so yeah, it's one of the reasons why I'm why we do this, for sure. And I don't know if The people who are performing them think about them as hard as we do. But even if they don't, their performance is what made me think about it that hard. So kudos to you. You know, whether or not it occurred to you or not when you were doing it, whatever you did made it occur to me. So good for you, you know. bee: It just means that you were able to. be genuine and create a person out of... Kim: Yeah. Out of a little bit of dialogue. bee: Mmm. Kim: Yeah. Pretty crazy. So B we managed to talk for over two hours, just you and I, about five audios. bee: Mm-hmm. Kim: Yeah. I thought we were gonna have a short episode this week and and I'm gonna edit it down, but yeah, still. Wow. bee: Yeah, I wasn't expecting my brain to cooperate very much today, I'll be perfectly honest. Kim: But you kinda knocked it out of the park. All right. Let's wrap this up. we talked about five different audios for two and a half hours. We are who we are, people. I don't know what to tell you. We just like to talk. hope you enjoyed group therapy this week. I was out of town this weekend and Yeah, we just we bee: It was by design. Kim: didn't have time to record an interview. So here you go. Here's just a big whopper sized episode of group therapy. We didn't talk about books this week either because I guess what? Two and a half hours I don't have I I I don't wanna talk about books. I'm done. bee: Yes, I would quite like my bed now, please? Kim: I would quite like to go to bed. Actually, I I have other things I have to do. Okay. So next week, you guys are going to be so excited about our guest. We have so bee: questions. Kim: many special questions coming for our guest from so many other special people. you guys are going to die. We will be announcing our guest. bee: give people a bit of time to Kim: Tell you what, I'm just gonna tell you right now, our guest next bee: Yeah, fair enough. Kim: week will be the amazing, incomparable Meg, wonderful Meg, who hosts the Pages and People. Is Pages and People? Pages bee: Pages and people. Kim: and People podcast. Say that 20 times fast. She has interviewed bee: No. Kim: so many amazing creators, writers. And she is so respected and so loved in this community. She's an author. She's hilarious. She's fabulous. And she is such a sweet, kind friend. And we are so honored that she's gonna come yap with us. And so if you have bee: and Kim: any questions for Meg, as we turn the tables on her and bee: Yes! Kim: put her in the hot seat. Please send them to us, either DM me, B, or the podcast. Let us know what you want us to ask Meg, and we will be happy to torture her with your questions on Sunday. And then get ready to watch that madness next Thursday. So thank you guys for watching. Thank you for being here. Thank you for all your support. We say it every week, we're never gonna stop saying it. It's ridiculous. We're still surprised every bee: We're still getting surprised every week with... Kim: week. so yeah, we'll see you on next Thursday with the beautiful talented Meg. All right, we love you guys. Thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. Thank you for your support. And we'll see you next week. Bye.