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Endeavor now owns WWE and is Jade Cargill WWE bound? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #709 – 9/14/23 · Real. Guy. Pods.

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It's stupid. Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition This Story, Real
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Fist Show, episodeber seven hundred and nine for September fourteenth, two thousand and
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one to three. Welcome to this week's edition of ass all ts you.
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I am one after show. I am jet pack joined every single week point
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No soly, Doctor Gray Franklin, Doctor Trey. We have a new owner
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of w W my friend. Yeah, and it's uh, you know,
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it's the name on the contract does not say McMahon. So there's my throw
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back to two thousand and one since we just had the anniversary of nine eleven.
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So there you go. Tied it all together in a nice pretty bow.
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Uh. Meanwhile, I want, by the way, have you checked
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out this show called Generation Gap? No? What is that? It's a
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game TV show. Yeah, it's a little TV game show. It's basically
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like grandparents and grandchild teaming up and they'll throw up a picture or a clue
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about somebody from grandma's generation and the kid has a guess and vice versa.
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I realize, I second, I'm old because I know all the grandparent wants.
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I don't know any of these kids wants, Like I don't know anybody
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at the VMA's. I don't know anybody in the show. I don't know
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any's younger people anymore. So a couple of things there, So a couple.
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So I had a friend text me and my wife this week saying like,
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Hey, are you watching the VMA's, Like, uh, in Sync
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is on? And I my response was, the VMA's are still a thing,
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like you know, like no, no, and I don't care that
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in Sync is on. And then literally a half an hour before we popped
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on the show. Here, I'm sitting down and I follow my old high
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school on Instagram, and I'm scrolling through Instagram and I see that they're promoting
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Spirit Week because it's homecoming week at the end of the month, which is
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typical right for high schools. So I'm looking and I'm seeing with the Spirit
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Week. Actually I still think I have it up on my phone here,
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so let me sit here. Bear with me for one second. This is
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great for radio. So Spirit Week themes. Friday is our class color,
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which is purple, Thursday is Barbie and Ken Day, Wednesday is Western Wednesday,
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and then Tuesday is decades and what decade is everybody dressing up as the
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early two thousands, That is the time frame when I graduated high school,
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Doctor Trey. Wait wait wait was there a style in the early two thousands.
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I don't know. I know I get made fun of by my younger
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friends by wearing car hearts. I guess it would be baggy jeans. The
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image that they have is a flip phone, which is just right for the
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time. Yeah, I'm I'm guessing maybe like probably baggy jeans, maybe like
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corns, slipknot jerseys, like, I don't know. Was that the cargo
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pants era as well? Yes, yeah, I believe so. I mean
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because right now, like when I was a kid, like you did not
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wear tight jeans, you did not wear tight shorts, short shorts, and
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that is all the rate right now. I mean, I saw a kid
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the other day and he had some of the shortest shorts on to show off
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show off his quads, and I'm like, whoa, if this was me
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in high school, this would not be happening. Like this was not the
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style back then. But this is the same shit Like our parents said about
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our generation as well. I guess I got I got one for you,
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because you're a Northeastern guy. I was got gam this morning, I'll watch
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Good Morning America. You know, my god year old, I know I
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want Michael Strahand. I had Rob It Rob again. God Gerald my grandmother
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loved Michael Strand too. Yeah, there you go. But they were showing
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there's a new Duncan Donnest commercial with Ben Affleck, and I'm like, all
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right, you know, being a guy that traveled the Northeast a lot,
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I can appreciate them Dunkin Donuts. I like ben Affleck. And it's like,
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yeah, ben Affleck did commercial with little Ice spice. Yeah, no
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idea. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't like and they're like,
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yeah, that's a rapper. I'm like, no, I don't.
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Like, I'm never like, never heard of this person in my life.
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And they keep showing this woman with like oranges colored hair, and I'm like,
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it looks like Nicki Minaje, Like it looks like I'm like, that's
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a different person. Like I could not figure it out for like, But
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then I'm like, Okay, the dunk the Duncan. Don't just lose me
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because you're putting peoples in commercials that I have no clue who they are,
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so uh yeah, yeah, No, this is it. Welcome to it,
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And that's your your old. This is your old. Hey, you're
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old. First five minutes of SRTU. That's gonna be a new segment we
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do each week. How Doctor Trey and I go mine, We're old?
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What are those other podcasts called just called Yelling at the Clouds? Yeah,
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no, that's the same thing. And I guess the last thing. And
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he doesn't listen to this podcast, but Doctor Trey used to listen to the
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podcast I was on. But I was on a show called The Wheelhouse and
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it was my first time into podcasting and what helped launch the Stell Reel Does
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show. It was back in two thousand and nine, So that was fourteen
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years ago. Now. I got a text from Mike Bauer earlier this week,
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who was one of the costs, asking me, and he sent me
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a link and he said, hey, can you do a video causes Chris
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Cause was also co host. His fiance is doing like all these videos from
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his friends to celebrate his birthday. And I'm like, oh, yeah,
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no problem. Which birthday they are we celebrating and he said his fiftieth.
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So fourteen years ago, Chris Cause was my age when we first started doing
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the podcast that I am now. I'm not thirty six, but I am
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thirty seven, And here he is now now at fifty years old, and
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I'm sending him a video. So life comes at you fast, doctor Trey.
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I'm just glad to know that Chris causes older than me, so at
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least I have that, at least there's somebody still out there in the world.
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Because you think about like fourteen years ago, like you were twenty three
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getting into podcasting, you know, and then now we're the grizzled veterans like
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we were at the point now where people think that we're bitter and old and
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jaded. It's like, I think you go back and listen to the early
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episodes of the show. I think we still sound the same. Oh yeah,
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no, I think we're definitely more positive. I would say we're I
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think we're just as equally as positive. But we used to be back then.
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To be honest with you, yeah, I mean yeah, because at
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that time, I think when we first I wasn't in the wrestling business at
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all, so I could be super negative and pissed off all the time.
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And now since I have, I have all these friends floating around the independence
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and you know, the big time wrestling stuff. I'm like, yeah,
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I don't want me too mean because it may, you know, backfire against
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me. But you know, at the end of the day, I've gone
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back and like my voices a little bit deeper. But outside of that,
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like, yeah, I think we were probably a little angrier in the early
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days as opposed to what we are now. Definitely had a lot more energy.
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I gotta be honest, I had definitely had a lot more energy.
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But that's what comes with getting old. You just start to slow down.
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Actually, last thing I'll bring up about getting old, and this is your
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old moment to kick off this week's session of the podcast I Heard. I
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listened to a podcast Baseball Today with Chris Rose and Trevor Plufe. It's on
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the John Boy Media platform, and they were talking about getting old, and
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Trevor Pluffmer MLB Baseball Players, said that his grandmother once told him the older
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you get, the age that you are represents like how many miles per hour
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it feels like you're going through life. And that's exactly that is like the
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greatest line I've ever heard about getting old, because when you're a kid,
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it feels like you're in it forever, like can't wait to get out of
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school, like living in a world where you you're not in school and you
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want to be an adult and all this stuff, and like my first eighteen
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years of life felt like it went by really really slow and greatest time in
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my life. And then afterwards it just feels like it has zipped right through
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because even saying out loud, almost fifteen years of starting in my podcasting career,
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fourteen years doing this podcast, it has flown right by. My friends.
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Yeah, by the way where we start this show, I had a
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two year old daughter. I now have a junior in high school. There
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you go, so perfect way to end at folks, this is old.
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That is how we're going to kick off the podcast. Each week we're doctor
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trying to go. So, how did you feel old this week? Have
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you ever heard of ice? Spice? I haven't. Let's get into some
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rest and talk. One thing that I thought I would never see in the
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fourteen years of doing this podcast. Near fourteen years of doing this podcast was
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the mcmahn family not owning Worldwisting Entertainment, and that has now officially happened this
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week as the w w e UFC merger closed with Endeavor, and the new
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owner of WW is TKO Group Holding. It's WUFC all fallen under that umbrella
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and again owned by Endeavor. Devor holds fifty one percent of controlling instruments in
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TKO and existing WW shareholders own the other forty nine percent. Dana White is
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the CEO of the UFC, nicongoes from WCO to President of w W,
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and Vince mcmahn is the executive chairman of TKO. We talked about it when
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this deal was initially happening, Doctor Trey. It has now since closed five
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months later. Thoughts on the McMahon owned era coming to a close, Yeah,
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I mean, it's it's a mixed bag for me. Like you know,
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when we started this podcast. Yeah, I would have never thought ownership
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of w W would have left the McMahon family. I thought this was gonna
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be a family run business for generations to come, like it would go to
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Triple Asian Stephanie or Shane and then down to their kids and down to their
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kids and so on and so on. And then you know, we heard
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those rumblings a few years ago where they were kind of shopping, especially when
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they went public, they were shopping it around. We heard about Disney,
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we heard about a bunch of other companies that were interested, you know,
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and it kind of brought that up a little bit more. And then when
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Vince you know, had to leave the company that you know last year,
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I was like, Okay, this this is real now because as much as
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we liked Triple Asian, Steph like, he still had the controlling interests and
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we started hearing those rumors and everything else, and it wasn't as shocking maybe
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if it had come out of Blue the Blue like four or five years ago.
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But to stand in a world now where the one wrestling company that's owned
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by a family is AW, it is kind of odd to me, Like,
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you know, and you know, Tony and shot Con own AW,
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but the McMahon's don't own WWE. It's it's just a weird thing to kind
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of deal with. I guess that this fossil falls into getting old and not
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being able to adjust, but it's just awkward in a way. And I'm
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sure, like twenty years from now and you and I are still recording the
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podcast in our eighties, we'll be like your Ember Backwen Van's own WWE.
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Yeah, there's a long time it will be used to it by that,
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but right now it's just it's just weird. It is. It is weird.
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A lot of discussion about potential synergies between both companies. Dana White was
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asked about I think the endeavor CEO came out and said, like, the
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hope is that WE fans become UFC fans, and UFC fans become WE fans.
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And they asked Danah White, They're like, what are your thoughts on
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this, Like is that possible of happening? And he completely shot on on
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it. He was like, no, I mean there are people who are
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like you are. UFC fans probably won't be WE the majority of them,
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and WWE fans a majority of them probably won't become UFC fans. And I
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enjoyed that honesty. I thought that was great. I thought that was the
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right thing to say as well, because we've talked about on the show.
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I'm a little bit more the MMA fan. I'm not a huge MMA fan
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like I used to be, Doctor Trey not interested in MMA at all.
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And when I'm like, hey, Daniel Cormier is gonna be there or ron
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Da Rousey assigned with we I mean nine times out of ten, Doctor Tree,
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You're like, Okay, who gives a shit? Like these names don't
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resonate with you because again, you're not a fan of the UFC. This
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is not something that you follow. So I think Dan and White hit that
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spot on. Yeah. I mean I remember years and years ago we first
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had a show. I was a UFC fan because I liked the fact that
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they had kind of leaned into character driven fight, Like the guys understood,
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Hey, if I kind of promo, it's gonna get me notoriety. And
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you look at like the Tito Ortiz, the Rampags Jackson's, the Chuck Liddell's,
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the Matt Hughes, the uh Saint Pierre wasn't Saint Pierre? George h
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Pierre, I Kevin want to say John. But those guys, you know,
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they kind of leaned into the WWF promo style and you're like, you're
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you started investing more in these guys because they were out there, they were
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making noise, and you know, you look at for me, you know,
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the Ronda Rousies of the world, Like Ronda I had heard of Ronda,
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you know, talk a New Interviews and so like that, and just
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you know, on all this stuff. So when she came over, I'm
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like, all right, yeah, maybe she can do good. Like I
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just kind of looked at it like the Kurt Angle, Like some of these
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people have great footwork and they could make the transition. But you know,
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the Daniel Cormier's, the John Jones of the worlds, the Anderson Silva's,
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Yeah, I respect him as great fighters, but I couldn't tell you what
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they sounded like. I couldn't tell you anything about them. Really. The
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only exceptions that ruled for me right now is Connor McGregor because he's loud as
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hell, so we hear of all the time, and those are the guy
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and the guys that get notoriety. So people like me typically, unless there's
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somebody that runs their mouth and catches fire, we're not going to crossovers and
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it's not something that appeals to us. And the guys that are diehard UFC
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fans look at wrestling and go, that's that fake stuff. I don't care
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about that. So you only occasionally get those weird crossovers where I watched brock
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Lessner fighting in the UFC, and I'm sure UFC fans watched Rodda Rousing in
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WWE, So you'll have those small minor crossovers. I say minor and like
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it doesn't happen very often, but those are few and far between. And
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outside of that, I think we kind of do live in two separate worlds
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completely. So we'll see. I mean, you've got to figure that there's
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gonna be some sort of synergy at some point. Maybe the likelihood of folks
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like Economic Director showing up in WE is gonna be a little bit more rampidt
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And I think if a UFC fighter catches fire and is someone that is crossing
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all different types of genres and fan bases and it's becoming like a big deal
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in a larger scale, the likelihood of them appearing on WW then is gonna
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be greater because maybe ron Da Rowsy ten years ago, when she was on
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a meteoritic rise in the sporting world and was like one of the biggest names
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and faces in all of sports at that time. Maybe that's when WW cash
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is in on that UFC relationship and has them appear on one of their shows.
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Maybe we run some sort of angle and then I'm from the UFC standpoint,
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I mean WW stars have been at ringside for UFC shows forever. I
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mean going back to you this show starting about fourteen years ago. One of
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the big first stories we covered was the Undertaker being at brock Lester's UFC fight.
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I believe he lost that fight, maybe lost the championship, and the
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thing was Undertaker said to him like do you want to do this thing?
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And they ran like a little bit of an angle. They elaborated on that
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years later, like that was to set up him coming back to w WE,
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and it just didn't happen at that point, and it was like one
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of those like dog tilting your head moments that was like, h that's interesting,
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Like what the hell is that all about? So there is opportunity.
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Is it going to be as frequent as we potentially think it's going to be
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under the new ownership. No, I don't believe. So. I think
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the bigger thing here is the business model of w overall Doctor Trey, whether
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we recognize it or not, We've seen that WW is putting more and more
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of their big name shows, even some other B shows and air quotes into
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stadium settings and they're getting a great reaction. They're getting a great crowd that
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appears to be part of the new business model. And then I think the
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other thing that really doesn't affect fans right now would be the TV deals coming
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up. There's a lot of discussion that Fox maybe not renewing SmackDown here soon
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and that they may be going the direction of Disney or even Amazon. Triple
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H was sitting next to Jeff Bezos, Amazon CEO former Amazon CEO earlier this
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week in New York City, so maybe there's something to that. And then
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folks are thinking that the fort ninety nine right now for the shows that you
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watch on Peacock isn't going to be a thing anymore, and that these shows
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are going to be expensive like UFC style. So I don't know, everybody
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seems to have doom and gloom that Endeavor is now owning WWE because it's the
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costs more for the consumer. I hope we don't see that because I think
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the current models being very successful and it's paying off and huge dividends for the
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company into the growth that led to them being able to be sold to Endeavor.
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Yeah. I mean to me, the way I look at is when
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you watch, when you look at UFC, you get those fighters they get
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out losing the streets and you see that they get cut try to save money.
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You have that contract. W is gonna be kind of more. I
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still think it's the budgets be a little bit tighter, Like they're still gonna
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like have to, you know, occasionally make cuts that don't seem popular.
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We saw it a couple of years ago that was more about getting the company
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into the blacks so it can be sold. But you know, I do
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think it's gonna be more run like a business. And with that, there
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are gonna be times when they're gonna make decisions for the good of the company
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that we may not like. And you know, if they change the model
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on the peacock and the network and all of that stuff, I still think
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that's going to alienate some fans because you know, at the end of the
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day, wrestling fans, if demographically, probably make less money than UFC fans
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because UFC fans are paying out fifty sixty seventy bucks for a fight. We
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don't have to do that. So if they start trying to change stuff around,
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you might alienate some fans. But the one thing UFC has been really
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good at is for a company that doesn't get a ton of mainstream publicity.
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They've all always got really good television contracts, so I think they'll be pretty
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good in that aspect at least. One of the things with the sale is
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we have seen that there's going to be a hiring freeze that has been lifted
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this past Monday night. This was on the original agenda for this week's edition
19:15
the podcast. Naya Jack's returned to we again second time this year, but
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this time now is a full time performer interfering in the rear Ripley Raquel Rodriguez
19:26
Championship match from Raw on Monday, taking out both Raquel and Ria during that
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match. However, a big story dropped early Thursday morning from Sean Ross Sap
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in regards to the former TBS champion Jade Cargill. According to fight Full Select,
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and this has been since updated. So there's reports out that right now
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from Fightful Select that Jade Cargill wrapped up her time with ALI Wrestling. On
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Wednesday night, they taped a match for Friday's Rampage. If you don't want
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to know the result, spoiler alert right now spoiler alert, but Chris stat
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Lander defeats Jade Cargile clean to retain the TBS championship, and then the story
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broke that she's leaving AW wh her contracts is expiring and that the big belief
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is that she's going to WW. Fightful had an update to this story this
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evening Thursday evening, as we record this and this comes to us also from
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Wrestling, and according to Fightful, select who originally broke the story early Thursday
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morning, has now provided more details. Cargile wrapped up her time with AWF
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the most recent taping of AW Rampage, where she was reportedly given a sendoff
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after a loss to AW TBS champion Chris stat Lander. Cargo had recently returned
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to AW television after taking time off all on Awble or Nothing and back in
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May, and now appears she'll be heading to WWE, with reports suggestions she
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might be able to sign with WWE imminently. However, the report also says
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Cargo has told some people she's leaving AW to focus on our family and play
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softball. Cargo as possible signing was the talk of w W raw backstage last
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week, per Fightful, as many TWW stars seemed convinced that the former AW
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TBS champion when joined the company soon. Fightfel also noted that some top w
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stars had heard about her arrival as far back as last week. Cargill reportedly
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had a has a team of represent item is handling her deals, and her
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jump to ww is said to not be financially motivated, Doctor Trey. This
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would be the second big name to go from AW to WWE, following Cody
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Rhodes. Say what you will. We have been big critics, but we
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all believe in see the stock and future potential star potential of Jade Cargill.
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This would be a big loss for AW in my opinion, because she has
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been a homegrown star that I think was being prime to be the face of
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the women's division once her TVs championship title rene ended. She is someone that
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can cross from the wrestling world to the entertainment world in my opinion as well.
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Your thoughts here on the reports of Jade Cardile leaving a w contract expiring
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heading to w E imminently. Now, these people who are handling her negotiations,
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are they speaking with you directly about the softball tie in? Yeah,
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I don't know. I just got done playing softball. If she wants to
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play on my team. She's gonna have to DMI. It is a co
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ed team. I know we would welcome her with open arms because she is
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a former D one athlete. So yeah, I'm all in on her joining
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my coed softball team. I heard that. I immediately a thought of you.
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But yeah, I mean I heard you snickering. Yeah, it was.
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It was a brilliant like I just see her going. No, man,
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I ain't going back in the Resley. I'm not gonna ask me.
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I'm gonna play softball. Yeah, why do I need these six figure contract
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I'm playing softball on Wednesday nights down at the down in my backyard, at
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my parks and wrecked near my house. No, I'm not going to play
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the w NBA. I'm not gonna go. I'm gonna play softball professionally.
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But there you go. I mean, yeah, you and I have been
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very critical, and I don't think we're I know people think we were critical
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of Jade Cargill, but it's not that, like she has all the building
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blocks of being a future star. I mean, she's basically what Bianca bell
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Air was four years ago. It's just that Bianca wasn't put in a National
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Spotlight four or five years ago, she was in developmental getting better. And
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I think if that's the way they go with Jade Cargill, it'll be good
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for her because she can kind of develop under the Shawn Michael's you know,
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tutelage to become the next Bianca bel Air or the next Ria Ripley who However,
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what you want to say is so I think it's good for her in
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the long run. It is ironic that, you know, these two people
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that we mentioned crossing over from AWS WW were people that were in the WW
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system. You know, Cody much longer, but Jade was one of those
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ones that they were recruiting and trying to get her to come on board.
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And it's right, that's right before she signed with AW. It was like
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they were both going there right to sign her. I forgot about that,
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yeah, and so like, and she kind of has some negative things to
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say about w. W is why she didn't go there, But now she's
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making that move. Uh. It does also go to show you the difference
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in the thought process of WW and AW or ww's looking for people that are
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either young or in their prime or things like that, and you know,
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we're seeing AW bring over guys who are, you know, stars but maybe
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a little bit past their prime, you know. So to me, on
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paper, it's a great move for Jade, it's a great move for WB
24:36
because this is just another foundational building block for the women's division that could be
24:40
around for as long as she wants to be there. And it's a huge
24:42
hit for AW. It just goes to show like, look, that's the
24:45
second person that you can I mean, Cody wasn't Homegirl, but Cody was
24:48
an executive VP. And then you have this woman that you brought up from
24:52
basically nothing to make her the face in this women's division and they both bail
24:56
out on you. That's not a good look for AW. So I it's
25:02
for those people that love AW is like, yeah, they're great and their
25:04
schedules super easy. But those people who want to be stars and want to
25:10
be top draws are the ones who are jumping back to WWE. Yeah,
25:14
I think the opportunity to become a bigger star outside of the wrestling world would
25:19
be the WWW dimension rather than the AW world that she's currently living in.
25:23
It And unfortunately, maybe in five years folks are able to step out of
25:30
the AW shadow and become movie stars, actors, whatever, musicians, whatever
25:36
they want to be. But to me, the w vehicle aligns more with
25:41
the type of person that is shown, at least on television by Jade Carkile.
25:45
I think she's a very savvy businesswoman. I think she knows that there's
25:49
a ton of value in her brand. Right, that's a trendy thing to
25:55
say nowadays. There certainly is a Jade Carkile brand. She is someone who
26:00
has a world of potential. She's not there yet. We again have been
26:07
very critical of her matches, but we always see the star power. I
26:11
think my question here is I think it's a no doubt solution here. Like
26:15
Doctor Trey, there's no doubt in my mind that w WE can elevate Jade
26:18
Cargill to be, like you know, someone that is a movie star,
26:23
actor, whatever she wants to be outside of professional wrestling. I think they
26:27
know that she can transcend, and she knows that with WWE she can transcend
26:30
outside of wrestling. But from the wrestling aspect, do you think that they
26:34
can take the weaknesses that Jade Cargill has, polish it and make her a
26:40
finer product that is of the ilk of Charlotte Flair, Riah Ripley, Bianca
26:45
bel Air, that becomes a better female wrestler in you know, once they've
26:49
signed for the next five years during the WW umbrella. No, absolutely,
26:55
I think they can. I mean we see it now with what they're doing
26:56
and when you see them bringing in D one athletes and converting them into wrestlers
27:03
and sums of some success and sums and not. But you look at that
27:06
Bianca Belair, who literally had never touched a wrestling matt when she was signed
27:11
to NXTE, and look where she's at now, and she has a lot
27:15
of the similar traits and physical skills that Jay Cardle has. I think in
27:19
WB she has a better chance of becoming a top flight wrestler. But it
27:25
all comes down to does she want to put in the work and is she
27:29
taking this deal for the money and the notoriety and the potential to expand her
27:33
brand or is she coming in to become a better wrestler. And you know,
27:38
I was telling me their day, you can lead a horse to water,
27:41
but you can't make it drink. But at the same time, you
27:42
don't want to show its head of the la because it'll drown. So you
27:45
just kind of gotta watch and see what she does. I would be shocked
27:49
if they bring her straight to the main roster. I think she's gonna go
27:52
to NXT first. I mean, if she ends up with the main roster
27:56
right now, like some of those, one of the main roster would embarrass
28:00
her in the ring, she needs time and NXC with a shan with.
28:07
I don't know. I don't know who's running the women's division training. I
28:08
think Sarah Delray may be down there still. I know, yeah, I
28:12
know, I know Sarah Dolry was do anybody else's know at one point when
28:15
they were doing the coach's releases that she was let go for a little bit.
28:18
I know Alison Danger has been down there doing Steve Credo's systems, has
28:25
been down there helping on the training. But you go down there and work
28:27
with those ladies, you're gonna become a better wrestler. And I don't think
28:30
AW as much as we love the guys in AW for for their teaching methods,
28:37
it's different to be a female wrestler and learn from a top female wrestler
28:41
as opposed to a female wrestler learning from another guy. It's a little bit
28:45
different in that translation. That's an interesting point, Like I think if there's
28:48
one major glaring weak point in AW right now is they don't have that filter
28:52
system of a performance center or a brand that you prepare for before going up
28:59
to the quote roster. I do think that is a glaring missing cog in
29:04
the wheel of AW, and hopefully they are able to address that at some
29:07
point, because I think that would help them greatly. Last question are on
29:11
the Jade Cargill stuff and then we'll switch gears to NXC. Actually is this
29:17
a bigger loss for AW or a bigger gain for WWW? I think it's
29:22
a bigger gain for ww E than a loss for AW. Like I like,
29:26
people are gonna look at it and think it's a big loss AW,
29:29
But she wasn't. I mean, she was big positioned to become the face
29:33
of the women's division, but she wasn't there yet. This women's vision is
29:37
you know Britt and and you know so Rayah and Ruby Soho and you know
29:42
those those people. Right now. For ww it's a much bigger gain because
29:48
the potential is there to build another main event female star that could possibly headline
29:53
a WrestleMania and get that crossover exposure. So I get the CE is higher
30:00
for W bringing Jake Cargill, in that maybe the floor one for AW losing
30:03
Jake Cargill. All right, let's switch gears here to NXT. This past
30:08
Tuesday night, Becky Lynch won the NXC Championship from Tiffany Stratton in the main
30:14
event. Tiffany Stratton is somebody that we've often compared to as WWE's version of
30:18
Jade Cargio, where there's like this world of potential, but you could just
30:22
tell that she's not a polished wrestler yet and as a little bit green ironic
30:26
enough, we go from Jade carter Hill to Tiffany Stratton. I thought Tiffany
30:29
Stratton held her own and had a great match with Becky Lynch, probably the
30:33
best match I've seen from Tiffany Stratton so far. But the question here,
30:37
Doctor Trey, is now, Becky has has won all the women's championships in
30:41
w she is completed the Grand Slam, but half of the titles in NXC
30:45
are now held by quote non NXT slash main roster talents. Dominic Masterio holds
30:52
in North American Championship. Becky Lynch holding The NXC Women's Championship tag titles are
30:56
held by Tony di'angelone, Channy Sex, Lorenzo, and obviously the NXC champion
31:02
is Carmelo Hayes. Do you like this move that right now half the title
31:07
holders in NXT are non NXT slash main roster talents. NXC has been a
31:11
very solid show lately, maybe the most underrated solid show that is on wrestling
31:18
today. Do you like this move that they're putting their titles on main main
31:22
roster talents. I don't hate it. It's once again, this goes to
31:29
the confusion we've had about NXT since Triple H first took it over years ago.
31:34
Is it developmental or is it a third brand? And we've seen it
31:40
kind of go back and forth throughout this whole timeline where you know, for
31:44
a while, like you go back was it three years ago? To where
31:48
we you know, the plane right from Hell getting back from Saudi Arabia and
31:52
nxts on the main roster. We go through vibors series with NXC versus Ron
31:56
smacked at it, We're like this is a third brand, They're legit,
32:00
and then boom, right after that, it's everybody's gone. It's straight developmental.
32:05
I like it in the sense that it is giving the rub and making
32:07
folks go check it out more. I mean, the Becky Lynch episode was
32:12
the highest rated Eggs T show they've done in the last couple of years,
32:15
so it obviously brought eyes to the program. So now they can see who
32:20
a Tiffany Stratton is or they stuck. After the whole show, they saw
32:22
the entire roster for the most part, you know, they saw Baron Corban
32:25
and bron Breaker going at it and setting up their match. So it does
32:30
help the brand get elevated, and if that's what you're trying to do,
32:34
is get it back to being maybe not a third equal brand, but at
32:38
least a slight notch below. Then having the main roster people on their helps
32:45
out. And plus you look at what's going on with the Judgment day on
32:47
Raw. Seeing all the people in Judgment they have title belts makes it look
32:52
cool and you're not sacrificing Gunther's Intercontinental title run just to mcdomin Mysterio look like
32:58
he fits in. It's a way to kind of elevate everybody around by doing
33:02
these crossovers. Yeah, it's it's an interesting idea by WWWE, and it
33:08
seems to be really paying off because I think having the main roster talents on
33:14
NXT is getting more eyes on the brand, which is then getting folks that
33:17
aren't watching NXT, which is something we've always talked about in this podcast,
33:22
like how weren't people watching NXT back in their glory days is beyond me,
33:27
but it was happening and w WE knew it too, and this is getting
33:31
people to check it out. And this is also elevating the games when these
33:35
folks get into matches, because again, like Tiffany Stratton to me, had
33:37
her best match i've seen her in against Becky Lynch, and it takes two
33:43
to tango. Becky Lynch is obviously the veteran and helps lay out a great
33:45
match, very in retaining match, hard fought match, and Tiffany Stratton held
33:51
her own in that opportunity as well. So I like the moves and I
33:54
think it's a good thing for NXT, which is I don't know, doctor
33:59
Strey, It's been two years since the two point oh launch, the relaunch
34:02
of this brand, and I'm just starting to feel like you're starting in to
34:07
see those I don't know, like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen vibes of the
34:12
NXT black and Gold era that made it so much fun when launched on the
34:15
WW network play out again now on the US and USA network here in twenty
34:21
twenty three. I feel like it's it's coming to that point again. Yeah.
34:24
It feels like right before the Undisputed Eric came into NXT, like you
34:31
know, you started seeing some of the you know, WW guys that were
34:36
kind of pushed down, whether it's a Ticing Czarro or somebody else like that,
34:40
you know, kind of get repacked, and we're kind of seeing that
34:44
now. And then even even the when the's when the top indie guys we're
34:49
coming in, whether it was a Kevin oh and Sammy Zane, Bobby Rude,
34:52
whoever it was, and we saw them in the crowd, they had
34:57
name value and it made you want to tune in to see, well,
35:00
we're they gonna do with Boby Rue where they gonna do with you know,
35:01
with Oscar you know, whoever it was the super indie person they were bringing
35:05
in. We have that now, like, hey, so what if you
35:07
want Baron Corvette NXT you like Seth Rollins is going down to wrestle Broun Breaker,
35:12
Like what's going on with this? Like it does create that intrigue that
35:15
you have to tune in to watch and then you become a fan of a
35:19
Carbelo Hayes and til you're dragging off you know, metaphor Tyler Bait, whoever
35:24
it is that you kind of gravitate towards based off you tuning in to see
35:29
Becky Legion, Tippitty Stratton go at it. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's
35:34
a good time pairing right now for NXC. If you're not watching NXC,
35:36
I highly recommend anybody listening to the podcast to go check it out because it's
35:38
been it's been a really good run for the brand. Ass of late,
35:43
Like the last three to six months have been really good. I've been to
35:45
join a NXT lately. Last thing I want to bring up here on this
35:50
week's sesition the podcast. You're starting to see them momentum play out on WWE
35:52
television right now, specifically on the Raw brand. They had a great match
35:57
to close out Raw two weeks ago for the Intercardinal champ Chip that solidified Gunther's
36:01
record breaking rain. As Interconnal champions are passing the honky talk Man one Doctor
36:07
Trey's guys, and now you're starting to see it play out on television and
36:10
I'm starting to get like the Spider senses tingling a little bit here, Doctor
36:14
Tram like shit. I think Chad Gable maybe the fucking guy that knocks off
36:21
Gunther and ends this Intercodonal Championship rain and that the fans will eat this up.
36:24
I have been a big fan of Chad Gable since his NXC days when
36:30
he was tagging with Jason Jordan an American Alpha, and he's definitely had an
36:35
up and down career in w W Moore downs than ups. The shorty g
36:40
run was not good tagging with Robert Rude and being like his body double like
36:47
Damian Sandown winning Attack Team Championship, American Alpha's failed run on the main roster
36:53
with Jason Jordan being revealed as the son of Kurt Anglin and basically ending American
37:00
Alpha with no rhyme nor reason, and then Chad Gable running with Alpha Academy
37:06
for a little bit. It did not start out great, but has certainly
37:08
gotten a lot of momentum lately. The fans are behind it, and his
37:12
in ring work is starting to pay off each and every week on Raw.
37:15
This reminds me of like Shelton Benjamin two thousand and three, two thousand and
37:20
four run, where it's like, this guy is a world of potential,
37:22
world of talent, and he's a natural athlete and natural gifted performer. The
37:28
only thing is, in no disrespect to Shelton, it appears that that Chad
37:31
Gable has a little bit more of the character behind him that can resonate with
37:37
fans. They're just is that feeling, Doctor Trey. It's it's almost kind
37:40
of Daniel br Brian is like in twenty fourteen, the underdog fans are starting
37:46
to get behind him. Is Chad Gable the guy that can knock off Gunther?
37:51
Or more importantly, is w w wee starting to build him up as
37:54
a guy to knock off Gunther? I think the build is there. I
38:00
think you're building him up to position him as that upper mid card guy.
38:05
I don't know if he'll ever get to main event level, because as much
38:08
as we love Jack Gable, like the guy is undersized and you know,
38:14
for me, if you can survive the short ge gimmick, you deserve all
38:19
the accolades in the world. You should get all your rows and you should
38:22
get all your flowers, all that stuff, because that may have been one
38:25
of the worst gimmicks we've seen anybody undertake in the last decade. To take
38:30
that and come to where he's that now, the guy deserves all the world,
38:35
you know. But I still think in the eyes of most of WWE,
38:38
he's a bit undersized to be a main event guy unless he can transcend
38:44
that completely like a Daniel Bryant did there to me. I don't know who
38:52
you have knocked off Gunther unless you have somebody prime for another big breakout him.
39:00
They might run it with Chad Gable. I mean, the record has
39:01
been broken Gunther as long as ringing Icy champion of all time. They may
39:06
do it. We saw, you know, Samosa Chompa come into the mix,
39:08
which is we know is a triple H guy. It could be a
39:13
fluke victory that allows Gable to get the title. But I love Jack Gable,
39:17
He's just he's just a little too small for me to take seriously at
39:22
times. And that's sad to say because he's arguably the best professional wrestler in
39:27
ring technician in the world, but he's five foot seven and like two hundred
39:31
pounds. It makes me a little He's not I don't I don't know how
39:36
I feel about Jack Gable. I guess Jeff is my way of putting it
39:38
right now. Is his size being but is his strength overshadowing his size?
39:45
Like the ability that he's able to do what they now call the chaos there,
39:47
that rolling suplex into a pin. The fact that he's able to do
39:52
that to someone like Gunther repetitively in the ring. Do you feel like the
39:57
strength aspect is covering up his size? I think to a degree it does.
40:05
I mean, we watch him and that's an oppressive movement and he reminds
40:08
me a lot of Kurt Angle. And I know everybody says that because the
40:10
whole you know, American Gammick, the wrestler Gammick, but they they're very,
40:15
very similar. He comes off a little bit like a little bit smaller
40:19
version of Kurt Angle. And we've seen it in the personality, like Kurt
40:22
Angles one of the funniest guys to come through WWE. But he could be
40:27
serious, he could do all those things. Gable can do all that too.
40:30
To me, you get Gable over by making him an underdog and making
40:36
people feel bad for him and have overcup of obstacles. To me, I
40:38
don't have him beat Gunther and then I have you know, do you have
40:44
Otis turn on him? Because Otis can be a monster, and we've seen
40:47
him be the heel, We've seen him be the funny baby face, but
40:52
heroes, needo obstacles overcome, and right now, this Gunther thing is really
40:57
the first big baby face obstacle Gables had to go against. And that's why
41:00
I'm just I'm curious as to do you pull the trigger now and or do
41:05
you let it build out even longer like we see with Cody Rhodes. So
41:07
I just I'm not sure where they go with it from here. I think
41:12
if they don't do it now, it's not going to happen at all.
41:14
Like if it's not happening at fast Lane, if there's not a Intercolinal championship
41:19
match between Gunther and Chad Gable at fast Lane, then I do think there's
41:22
a possibility to carries itself over to the next paper you which may be Survivor
41:25
Series. But I feel like they need to execute on this now. Maybe
41:30
they save it for a Monday Night Rob but I think especially after Gabel's daughter
41:35
cried at Ringside and had such a very natural moment which pulls on the heartstrings
41:38
of fans, especially fans that are parents, I think I think they're going
41:45
to do it. I think I think the window is now to do it,
41:49
Doctor Trey. If they don't do it now, then I don't think
41:52
they ever do it. So it's it's interesting. It's a very interesting time,
41:55
and I think I think I've convinced myself Gables the guy, and Gable's
42:00
going to be the one to do it now that he's especially reached the plateau
42:04
of the record. I think that's what they wanted to accomplish. Yeah,
42:07
no, in your mind, is he big enough to be a world champion
42:12
contender Gable? Yeah, I mean we're everybody's going to go back to Brian
42:17
Danielson, maybe even his stereo. Even though Ray's won the world title twice,
42:24
I never took Rady of the series world title contender. Yeah, and
42:28
that Brian run was was obviously cut short back in fourteen because of his injury.
42:32
His run as the was it the Environmental Champion was was really good.
42:39
I thought Styles as a world champion was very believable and a very good run
42:44
as well. If Gable keeps doing what he's doing, I think it's possible.
42:49
I think it's possible, Doctor Trey, because again I think the strength
42:52
is outshining the the size. I think that is like a legitimate visual.
42:59
This guy's got a lot of heart and he is the He is an underdog,
43:02
and I can get behind this. I do think he has the opportunity
43:06
to be a world title contender someday. Yeah, And I think if they
43:09
go that route, you have to hear it on comments. Harry also about
43:13
and we heard it with Brian with Daniel Bryan back then, about how good
43:16
in the ring he was, you know, and they're going to really sell
43:21
that the folks, Like there was a guy back when I was a kid
43:24
that was a wrestler and they called him. His name was Checkmate and he
43:28
was in a world class championship wrestling, and his whole gimmick was he could
43:30
counter anything. And you kind of have to build a Gable like that in
43:36
order for those fans who look at the Hogans like they want the big giant
43:42
guys on top, they have to buy into the hearts and the technical prowess
43:46
of somebody like Chad Gable to really get it over. And we saw it
43:51
a little bit on my that we all like we've seen Chad Gable be the
43:53
cheesy I guess, the way of putting it, like the shish and all
43:57
those things. We got to see the real check Gable also starts to come
44:01
out because we know he has the personality, we know he can talk.
44:06
We just got to see that heart and that kind of never say diet attitude
44:10
that we saw with those undersized guys kind of come out in order for him
44:14
to be elevated the eyes of the fans, I think. I mean,
44:15
and who's that like, right? I mean, you're talking about the choosh.
44:19
That's comparable to the S movement with Daniel Bryan, and Daniel Bryan was
44:22
very goofy. He was the underdog, but when he got in the ring,
44:24
like he was a legit badass that people got behind. So there's a
44:29
lot of Daniel Bryan comparisons. There a lot of angle, a lot of
44:31
Daniel Bryan in comparisons, maybe angle on the wrestling side, which I know
44:36
is weird to say because it's Daniel Bryan for crying out loud, but it's
44:39
more of the natural wrestler Olympic wrestler background that compares to Kurt Angle obviously than
44:45
the character and underdog mentality is very similar to that. Daniel Bryan twenty fourteen
44:51
run. I mean you gave a credit because hey, not only the like
44:54
the poor guy, I mean him and take the Jordan with the best tag
44:58
teams we ever saw in NXD. You lose Jason Jordan, you have the
45:01
shorty g Gammick. They stick Otis with you out of nowhere because they didn't
45:05
know what to do with Otis. And then they put you in a feud
45:07
with maximum male models. And then not only are you so over that help
45:13
get both teams over, you steal their manager, yeah, and their gimmick.
45:19
Yeah, Like it's crazy that. I mean, that does show you
45:22
how much faith they have in those guys, because I mean you look at
45:25
Maxine and that's that's got a vincc Man valet written all over it, and
45:30
they've been able to transition and poor must say, like we just don't see
45:36
them anymore, Like they're just gone. Every this vaccine left, they're just
45:38
poofed. So you gotta give credit to Gable And then you know, seeing
45:43
Otis come back and be the fun loving Otis that we knew back in Heavy
45:47
Machinery and then the Mandy Rose days, Like that's the best version of Otis.
45:52
So it really does plays with both of their strengths right now. So
45:58
there you go. Is Chad Gable the one to knockoff Gunther? Feel free
46:01
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