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CultXCosmic: Blood Ties Pt 4 · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Oh, be the trigger Warren.
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  Speaker 2: This podcast may include explicit content that will take you
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  Speaker 2: out of your comfort zone and make you question reality.
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  Speaker 3: Listeners, discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the show. This is the
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  Speaker 1: fourth and final part of Blood Ties, and hopefully we
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  Speaker 1: are going to wrap everything up in this one. Any
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  Speaker 1: unanswered questions from any of the other series, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna end it with a bang. Tolby, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think of the series so far?
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  Speaker 3: Still waiting for that bang?
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  Speaker 1: Fuck you? What do you mean? I think they've all
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  Speaker 1: been bangers. I'm going to end it with a bang.
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  Speaker 4: I'm anxious to see what that bang is. It's not
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  Speaker 4: to say we haven't had many bangs along the way.
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  Speaker 3: That's been you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be good, right.
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  Speaker 4: I actually am excited about this one. We always go
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  Speaker 4: into this with me not knowing what you've written. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you're telling me certain things, but I'm seeing.
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  Speaker 3: DOMI right out that that's getting me a little soft
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  Speaker 3: rubbery one.
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  Speaker 1: Sure Jeff would would approve.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell a story when we get going about
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  Speaker 4: why I'm so fascinated with Dahmer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, can I ask you you're not really his type?
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  Speaker 1: But if you saw him in a bar, would you
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  Speaker 1: go for him?
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  Speaker 4: No, I would play hard to get okay, because that
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  Speaker 4: means I would immediately end up in his refrigerator.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I do kind of want to do
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  Speaker 1: something a little bit different before I read the quote today.
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  Speaker 1: I want to kind of talk about the last episode
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully for those of you who are listening or watching,
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  Speaker 1: you suck around to the very end of the last
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  Speaker 1: episode where I played segments from a Ted Bundy interview
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  Speaker 1: and I played it for Colby, and I asked him
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  Speaker 1: to watch it through the eyes of pretending he actually
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  Speaker 1: was innocent of the crimes that have been attributed to him,
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  Speaker 1: And that's the way I watched it. I watched it
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  Speaker 1: as if what if he could be telling the truth
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  Speaker 1: in this interview and a lot of the crimes that
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  Speaker 1: have been like attributed to him he actually was innocent of.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how I watched it. But you had an
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  Speaker 1: even different dake on it.
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  Speaker 3: I have to share with the class.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, we joke around about the weird ass connection
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  Speaker 4: between Jack Nicholson circa Laurel Canyon, Jack Nicholson and Ted
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  Speaker 4: Bundy in their backstory and how maybe it could be
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  Speaker 4: him playing Ted Bundy. But I watched that interview just
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  Speaker 4: kind of thinking about that, and I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: was Ted Bundy.
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  Speaker 1: You feel like that was Jack Nicholson.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, go watch the movie five Easy Pieces or
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  Speaker 4: any movie easy Writer, Easy Writer. Watch watch these movies
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  Speaker 4: and think about the voice and the mannerisms too, the eyebrows,
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  Speaker 4: the smile. Yeah, the mannerisms are spot on. The voice
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  Speaker 4: even like, I'm one of those weirdos who think that
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  Speaker 4: the same person that played Terence McKennon was probably probably
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  Speaker 4: playing Ted Kazinski. Like there's actors out there playing multiple roles,
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  Speaker 4: and so I don't know. It's it's hard for me
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  Speaker 4: not to look at things that way, but I always
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  Speaker 4: say I'm not married to one idea over the other.
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  Speaker 4: I do look at things in a way and kind
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  Speaker 4: of get out there in certain certain regards to like
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  Speaker 4: what we're really being shown?
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  Speaker 3: Who's real? What's real?
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you, though, if, besides the Jack Nicholson part,
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  Speaker 1: if you watched that and you didn't know who Ted
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  Speaker 1: Bundy was, but you knew about this research, would you
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  Speaker 1: have thought he may be innocent? No, he appeared guilty
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  Speaker 1: to you in that interview.
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  Speaker 3: Not necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: Not necessarily, he.
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  Speaker 4: Appeared to me like somebody who was trying to sell
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  Speaker 4: a narrative. He was trying to look compelling, he was
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  Speaker 4: trying to look deep. He's trying to make you look
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  Speaker 4: into this story even further.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so, right.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't look at it like, is this guy
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  Speaker 4: sitting in this chair guilty or innocent?
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  Speaker 3: Like what is he selling me?
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  Speaker 4: He's on the news, he's a professed serial killer, self
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  Speaker 4: professed even in certain testimonies, but in this one, he's
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  Speaker 4: claiming he's never hurt anybody physically in his life.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, do with that what you will.
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  Speaker 4: I don't expect people out there to entertain that idea necessarily.
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  Speaker 4: It's just how my mind works these days.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 4: Also, we wanted to talk about another little wrap up
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  Speaker 4: from Gaysey, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we did the beginning of our life. Last
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  Speaker 1: episode was Gacy and then we kind of trailed off
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  Speaker 1: into Bundy. But some interesting information has crossed our path.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I listened to this.
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  Speaker 4: For people out there who know who Jay Dyer is,
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  Speaker 4: Jay Dyer's always got some pretty hot leads before they
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  Speaker 4: like really become known in the like mainstream conspiracy world.
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  Speaker 4: But he was talking about this podcast series that came out.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, do
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  Speaker 4: you remember.
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  Speaker 1: I can look at it right now.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, you look up the synopsis of it, because
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  Speaker 4: I did a screenshot on my tablet, but I didn't
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  Speaker 4: bring it in here. But it's as we were going
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  Speaker 4: through this with all Julia's research, I was reminded about
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  Speaker 4: a podcast called The Clown and the candy Man that
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  Speaker 4: this independent woman journalist put out. And it's eight episodisodes long,
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  Speaker 4: and so obviously we know the Clown is John Wayne Gacy.
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  Speaker 4: The Candyman is a lesser known serial killer, even though
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  Speaker 4: at the time of him being busted, he was the
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  Speaker 4: biggest mass murderer at the time. He had twenty seven
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  Speaker 4: bodies Dean.
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  Speaker 1: Coral out of oh, twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: That's when that came out.
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  Speaker 4: It was twenty twenty, twenty twenty. Okay, so it's a
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  Speaker 4: lot more recent than I thought. So it must have
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  Speaker 4: been brand new when I listened to it. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: the read the little synopsis for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's called The Clown and the candyman, and
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  Speaker 1: it says two serial killers, Dean Coral and John Wayne Gacy,
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  Speaker 1: thousands of miles apart, brutally murdered over sixty teenage boys.
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  Speaker 1: The police said the murders were the work of these
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  Speaker 1: soul deranged killers, but for the first time, we revealed
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  Speaker 1: that they were actually connected by a network of pedophiles
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  Speaker 1: which was partially financed by prominent members of American society.
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  Speaker 1: This is America's sordid secret.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so's She did some extensive research. Basically, Dean Coral
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  Speaker 4: was killed by what, at first glance appeared to be
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  Speaker 4: a victim, and when the investigation thickened, they found out
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  Speaker 4: he was a victim slash accomplished, maybe only accomplice. He
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  Speaker 4: claims he was handcuffed and that he talked Coral into
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  Speaker 4: letting him go, and then he grabbed a gun from
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  Speaker 4: him and killed him and saved two other people that
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  Speaker 4: were there, a girl and a guy that were both
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  Speaker 4: younger friends of his. But it turns out him and
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  Speaker 4: another guy were helping Dean Coral. They were recruiting for
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  Speaker 4: him and then they would actually help with all the
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  Speaker 4: sick shit that was going on, and a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: other busts started going down around that same time in
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  Speaker 4: different parts of the US. But this woman in her
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  Speaker 4: reces search tied it to what is her name, I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to just call her some.
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  Speaker 1: Woman Jacqueline buying them.
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  Speaker 3: Jacqueline buying them.
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  Speaker 4: And so she ends up looking into these big pedophile
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  Speaker 4: rings getting busted in Michigan and there was she calls
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  Speaker 4: it the real first pedophile island where I don't remember
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  Speaker 4: what lake it was, but they had a boys camp
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  Speaker 4: out there. She ties like these people who were really
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  Speaker 4: upper echelon, like one of the main guys was the
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  Speaker 4: son of a high level GM executive. And then so
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  Speaker 4: she just keeps tying all these groups together until she
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  Speaker 4: eventually was able to get one of Gasey's some one
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  Speaker 4: of the kids he hired to work for him was
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  Speaker 4: actually an accomplice of this other guy.
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  Speaker 1: His name was Steve Kram who his accomplice.
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  Speaker 3: What was the guy's name anyway, I keep forgetting it.
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  Speaker 1: Which one?
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  Speaker 3: No, the guy who had like the network where he would.
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  Speaker 1: John David Norman Norman.
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  Speaker 4: So Norman's accomplice was at one point hired by.
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  Speaker 3: Gasey. Was he a victim?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: The guy that he's talking about that worked for him.
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  Speaker 1: That was a young guy that he says helped him
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  Speaker 1: with some of this stuff. His name was Steve Cram. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so he was the guy that was with but he
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  Speaker 1: Steve Cram. And for those who have kept up at
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  Speaker 1: all with true crime stuff, these names will not sound
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  Speaker 1: unfamiliar to you, but h John Wayne Gacy said that
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  Speaker 1: a young kid that was working for him named Steve
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  Speaker 1: Cram was friends with a guy named Philip Pasky who
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  Speaker 1: was also Yeah, he was also friends with John.
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  Speaker 4: David Normasky was actually on Gaysey's like books for being
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  Speaker 4: a worker. Yes, and so all these she was able
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  Speaker 4: to connect it. Well, the guys that were actually helping Qral,
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  Speaker 4: the younger kids that were helping I mean I say kids.
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  Speaker 4: They were like teenagers when they met him.
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  Speaker 3: And then by the.
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  Speaker 1: Time these kids also know PHILIPASKI.
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember, but they told the police initially that
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  Speaker 4: Coral wasn't acting independently, that he's part of this large
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  Speaker 4: pedophile network in Dallas. And that's where Norman was right.
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  Speaker 4: So everybody's dropping everybody's names in these circles.
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  Speaker 3: And this was before any.
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  Speaker 4: Of this stuff was like accessible to the general public
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  Speaker 4: any of these names or this information fact. They usually
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  Speaker 4: just didn't really publicize it too much. I mean, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of this stuff was just as big and fucked
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  Speaker 4: up as the stuff that's been going on on the
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  Speaker 4: West Coast with that Julia and I have been talking about,
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  Speaker 4: but it got zero coverage until Gaycy. Coral even goes
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  Speaker 4: kind of under the rug when you're just doing a
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  Speaker 4: surface level look over all the serial killer and true
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  Speaker 4: crime like legends. He's not one of them, but he
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  Speaker 4: should fucking be.
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  Speaker 1: He is what they call the candy man. And he
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  Speaker 1: had his body count was twenty eight boys, which is
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  Speaker 1: not far off from the thirty three that are attributed
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  Speaker 1: to Gaycy. And everybody blows Gaysy up like he was
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  Speaker 1: the biggest and the baddest and the only you know.
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  Speaker 1: But right around the same time, we have Dean Porl
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  Speaker 1: ripping and running through boys and apparently he had some
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  Speaker 1: kind of a torture board and.
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  Speaker 4: Oh and they both knew the handcuff trick. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: some other things kept coming up. It's almost like these
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  Speaker 4: guys were part of a network that trains and it's
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  Speaker 4: like she didn't really go to the level Jacqueline that
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  Speaker 4: I would have like have gone myself, like they're obviously
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  Speaker 4: being trained but by who? And is it intelligence?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they did mention there were this higher ups involved
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  Speaker 1: in things.
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  Speaker 4: But she needs to like read program to kill going
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  Speaker 4: down that path of research, and then she could since
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  Speaker 4: McGowan is no more, we should get hold of her.
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  Speaker 1: Man, you think she'd come on a show and talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, Yeah, dude, that would be a cool fucking
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  Speaker 1: episode podcast. Yeah, questioning her, But I mean for for
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  Speaker 1: an eight part series, and god knows I love series.
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  Speaker 1: I put him out all the time, but it's an
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  Speaker 1: eight part series each, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Not it's not redundant.
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  Speaker 4: It's like I complained about this kind of shit, like
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  Speaker 4: they just go redundant to get like ten episodes out.
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  Speaker 4: Every fucking word is key. Yes, I mean she does
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  Speaker 4: circle back a lot, but only when it's necessary. They're like,
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  Speaker 4: remind you, I'll remember we talked about this earlier.
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  Speaker 3: Here's why that's important.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and for me, I even had to like pause
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  Speaker 1: and like kind of like take in everything she was
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  Speaker 1: saying because she was moving at a pace and if
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  Speaker 1: you weren't paying attention, you'd fucking miss out on key information.
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  Speaker 1: So those are the kind of podcasts that I love
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  Speaker 1: to listen to. We knocked out the whole series in
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  Speaker 1: what a couple.
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  Speaker 4: Of days on a red even on a road trip.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're forty minutes. If you had a nine
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  Speaker 1: to five job, you could knock out probably the whole series.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm saying it's like a seven hour
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  Speaker 4: time commitment probably, and you'll.
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  Speaker 1: Be hooked after the first one. Like it's it's super interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Each each episode is like a new layer of the
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  Speaker 4: fucking pedophile ASAGNYA.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I thought we did a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: job covering gaycy stuff, but it just opens up a
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  Speaker 1: whole new world with this other connection with the.
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  Speaker 4: Well you go in knowing the angle that you're covering
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  Speaker 4: that's gonna I mean, she talked about stuff that we
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  Speaker 4: didn't know about, and I'm sure we've talked about stuff
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  Speaker 4: that she hasn't looked into.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure. But I did think it was interesting
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  Speaker 1: because in one of the last episodes spoiler alert, she
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  Speaker 1: does include phone calls between John Wayne Gacy and this
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  Speaker 1: guy who was like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, talked about it a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we we kind of talked about it, but to
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  Speaker 1: hear him actually speaking to guy and like giving him
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  Speaker 1: information a lot of this stuff. As we were saying
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  Speaker 1: before in our previous episodes, it just didn't even add
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  Speaker 1: up that John Wayne Gacy was a in town. There
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  Speaker 1: were receipts of him being out of town at the
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  Speaker 1: time of the disappearance.
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  Speaker 4: Of some of these boys, out of construction builds going
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  Speaker 4: on when some of these kids went missing. So even
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  Speaker 4: if John Wayne Gacy did kill them, he wasn't the
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  Speaker 4: one who.
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  Speaker 3: Took them off the street, right.
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  Speaker 1: He was one.
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  Speaker 3: Explored in the last episode.
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  Speaker 4: He could have just had the finishing house or been
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  Speaker 4: the one who like got to like finish him, and
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  Speaker 4: it was he got off on it somehow and then
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  Speaker 4: he'd fucked the dead bodies or whatever he did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes more sense to me anyways. But anyways,
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  Speaker 1: that is a great podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Check it out. Clown and the Candy Man.
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  Speaker 1: Clown and the Candyman. And so I guess I should
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  Speaker 1: read our honorary quote before we get started. Quote Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: da thought he was the devil. Jeffrey thought he was
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  Speaker 1: so evil that he was equal to the devil. End quote,
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  Speaker 1: and that comes from Attorney Jerald Boyle is.
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  Speaker 4: That from like his closing statement in court he's the prosecutor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was this whole thing, and I
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  Speaker 1: have talked about it a little bit before, where jeff
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  Speaker 1: would say he would get off or like get charged
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  Speaker 1: up by watching The Exorcist Part two, and he even
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  Speaker 1: got contacts to change the color of his eyes.
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  Speaker 3: They covered that pretty well in.
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  Speaker 1: The Evan Peters. Yeah, so he really did think that
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  Speaker 1: he was evil incarnate and he was trying to build
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  Speaker 1: an altar. You remember that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll just I'll do this now. But Jeffrey Dahmer
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  Speaker 4: was why I said it was kind of a special
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  Speaker 4: thing for me because Jeffrey Dahmer was my entry into
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  Speaker 4: this world. I told Julia this story a little while ago,
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  Speaker 4: but when I was eleven or so, because it was
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  Speaker 4: in ninety four that he got caught.
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  Speaker 1: I was he died in ninety four, so it would
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  Speaker 1: have been way before that.
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  Speaker 3: I think he had just been put or just died.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that makes sense. It would have been ninety four.
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  Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, I think it was.
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  Speaker 4: Newsweek did a big spread on it, and I was
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  Speaker 4: at my aunt and uncle's house and I had to
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: take a shit and one of my cousins was in
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  Speaker 4: the other bathroom, and so I got to go into
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  Speaker 4: their master bedroom bathroom, which was like in their house.
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  Speaker 4: That was like, you know, a privileged event. And I
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  Speaker 4: got led in there by my aunt and there was
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  Speaker 4: on the back of the toilet a stack of magazines
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  Speaker 4: and I found the article on Dahmer. Eleven years old
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  Speaker 4: reading this thing. You know, I'm like probably a few
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  Speaker 4: paragraphs in.
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  Speaker 3: By the time it got done.
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  Speaker 4: Taken my tiny eleven year old shit, and I snuck
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  Speaker 4: that magazine out of there and I finished reading it,
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  Speaker 4: and then that sent me down my fascination with serial killers.
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  Speaker 4: So Dahmer was my initiation. And I think, to me,
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  Speaker 4: he's the most fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: He is the most fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just weird because every study of psychopathy and
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  Speaker 4: like just the monsters that walk out there that have
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  Speaker 4: done this kind of thing or so so we're told
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  Speaker 4: he is a unique case study on so many levels.
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  Speaker 4: And he also fits perfectly into the program to Kill
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  Speaker 4: theory that McGowan laid out very well that Julia has
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  Speaker 4: been presenting and doing her own research on. He is
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  Speaker 4: just on every level, just extremely fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: He is, and you know, He was actually the second
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  Speaker 1: serial killer I was ever introduced to, and I will
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  Speaker 1: say this. The first serial killer I was ever introduced
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  Speaker 1: to was Ted Bundy, which peaked my interest into looking
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  Speaker 1: into serial killers. But the second one I ever found
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  Speaker 1: out about was Jeffrey Dahmer. And my mom rented some
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  Speaker 1: kind it was. It was a movie about Jeffrey Dahmer.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a documentary. It was supposed to be like
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  Speaker 1: the Evan Peters thing. It was a movie about him,
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  Speaker 1: and I remembered watching was this the one with U?
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  Speaker 1: It came out when I was a kid. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: wasn't anything recent.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: No, this isn't recent.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: What's the guy who played Hawk guy in the Avengers.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: He's a big actor. I can't think of.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: His name, right, I can't think of his name, but yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I know who it is.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I play movie in the early two thousands.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Let me see if it was that one because Dahmer
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: two thousand.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Jeremy Jeremy Rinner. Click on, you know who that is?
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: He's hot guy, right, mm hmmm, he played him?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And I guess well, I said, it's just get it
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: because yeah, well, my mom rented it at fucking Family
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Video or Blockbuster or some shit, and I'll never forget
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the cover that's I remember, you know, taking it home.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I was in like fourth grade or some shit like that,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: and I threw up after I watched it. And then
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you think that would stop my mom from showing me
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: any more perverted shit, But no, she she was. Yeah,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: but anyways, I was severely triggered by even watching the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Evan Peters one was triggering for me. Like they did
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a great job of putting you almost into the perspective
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of the victim on some of those.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody that had anything bad to say about that
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: was and I mean it's like one of the.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Cooke creator is an American horror story.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: So there was a lot of like creative liberty. But
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: at the same time, he really.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Did stick to the facts.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: It did get a little wokish at the times, but
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: there is moments in that I agree with you entirely
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: where you just feel like, anyway, the critique was that
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: it glorified him, and it really didn't. Were you really
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: got a good perspective of the victims' families.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: And you're.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: The fucking deaf guy.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: But I remember the scene where he's lifting weights and
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: he gets that jogger to come back to his apartment and.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: He kills him.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And then he's like driving him with all the grass
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: clippings and gets pulled over just obviously hammered, and.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: The cops let him go.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: And then the scene where he's like standing in front
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: of the mirror and he drinks blood, or even where
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: he's cuddling with the mannequin. Yeah, they're saying like that
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: eighties song baby don't Go, Don't Go.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: He's just like spooning it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it gives you the fucking creeps, but you also
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: really feel sorry for him.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: It's like you.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Know that, like he's not a bad guy, Like he
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: doesn't like he's not a good guy, but he's like
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: other than this fucked up ship he's doing, he's like
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: polite people he cares about. Like, I don't think he's
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: a psychopath. Listen, like was he programmed to kill?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I have watched many a fucking interview of Jeffrey Dahmer,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: a real interview where he's really talking and he's really
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in prison, not a documentary, not.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: A red I watched.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: If you met him, you would not think.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: You might think he was You might think he was
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: a little weird maybe, but like he was.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I think that about fucking multiple people multiple times a
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: day doesn't mean they're super.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: A softness about know and like a sincere and a
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: genuine like.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Well, I used to work with a guy at the
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: soap company where I make soap, and he was like.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: That, a soft, gentle kind of.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Stuff, like he cared, but he just kind of came
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: off as weird. But he was really like into like
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: wanting everything to be cool with everybody all the time.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: But I also thought, like I could see that guy
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: getting caught bodying.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, but honey, hear me out. You know that show
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I was watching yesterday about the psychopaths or whatever, and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I said, it's less about the killers and more about
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the psychopathy. Jeffrey doesn't even fit any of those profiles
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: of a psychopath. Like you, if you watch the interviews
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: of all these psychopaths, they're lining up to show you
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: all these traits about Jeffrey did not fit that profile
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of a psychopath. That's unfeeling, unremorseful. He always said that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: he regretted what he did, he knew it was wrong,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: he felt bad about it, and I think in some
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: way he actually felt love for the people that he
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: was murdering, which is a psychopath.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the ones that he was romantically You mentioned the
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: deaf guy, but there was a few and I in
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: the movie you can see it, but you can actually, like.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Julia just said, see it yourself.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: There's interviews where he's saying he didn't want to ever
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: let that person go, and he thought that if he
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: killed dominate them, that they would always be a part
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: of him.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Does that fit the psychopath profile half of it?
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Does He's able, He's able to fucking just willing nilli
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: kill these people.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: The murder part, yes, I guess.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: But then he's also like really invested in, like being
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: attached to these people, and he he's one of the
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: weird ones. And I might be stepping a little ahead here,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: but when he gets caught, he's fucking faces down on
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: the ground, he's in handcuffs, he's already starting to fucking
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: spill the beans. YEA ever fucking deny a goddamn thing
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: it In fact, he was too honest, like you could
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: also you could also you could just say, yeah, I
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: killed this person, But then you don't have to sit
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: down with a prison psychiatrist and say I fucked their intestines.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I grilled up with asparagus.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: The human sashimi style, just little slits of ass, you know.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's so it's almost like he's an op
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: in a way that he doesn't even know. Like he's
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: just going in depth.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: This is getting printed in the media.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: He's talking about fucking necrophilia, cannibalism, just the.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: People's brains with myriadic acid.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, he is a goddamn walking horror story. And
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the reason it's so scary is because you'd see him
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: in the fucking chopping mall and not think twice about him.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: You might just think that guy's weird.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: At the very worst, you think that, But it's almost
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: like the perfect If he is indeed one and he's
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: part of this programming, I would say they like nailed
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: it with him.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is like the perfect serial killer.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: See. I always said that out of the three big ones,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: we talk about, Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer. Did we talk about
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: this in the last episode or was a private conversation
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: we're having where I said Dahmer was always the.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: One that got me the most. Yeah, And I thought
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: you said Bundy, but.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Well he was the first one I was introduced.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's why it gets because Jeffrey was my thing.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: He sticks with me.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: It was you never forget your first right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: He sticks with me the most out of all of them.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: But I was first introduced to Ted. And it's like
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you said, before we get too far into jeff I
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: do have some stuff that I want to kind of
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: go over and sum up about Ted before we move on.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And it's some more some more inconsistencies and shit. And
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: it's like we were talking about with the interview. Could
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: he have just been like a patsy guy? Could he
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: have been an actor? Is he really responsible for half
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: this shit? Some of it doesn't even make sense that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: he could have been. And before we jump into it,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I do want to say for those of you who
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: are listening to this, if you're sick and tired of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the ads, if you just can't take it, you're gonna
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: want to go over to Patreon, where it's ad free,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you get early access, and you get bonus content. I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: think that's true of the Cults Patreon as well. But
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: for the Cosmic Peach Patreon listeners, you'll get ad free
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: early releases on all the episodes, and you'll get extra
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: shit too, So I get it. The ads suck, but
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. I want to get into
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: something that was actually mentioned in the Ted Bundy interview.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: He was talking about a girl, Carol Duranch, that was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: abducted from the shopping mall. She's the only survivor that
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: we know of, and he called her a professional witness
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: in that interview, and that kind of stuck with me
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: because what if she is she's one of the ones
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: who said that she got abducted by him and the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: school kidnapping happened at the same time, but it's physically
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: impossible for him to have been episodes no, remember from
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the last episode this was like in Utah, and she
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: got supposedly abducted at the shopping mall at the same
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: time the girl from the school got abducted, and they
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: happened within fifteen minutes of each other. But there's no
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: way to be in those two places within fifteen minutes
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of each other. And they also described completely different people
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: at both of the scenes. So in the interview with
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy, he calls Carol Durant a fucking professional witness.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: And meaning an actor.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she delivered testimony that was riddled with discrepancies
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and inconsistencies. She was unable to decide if her would
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: be abductor had a mustache or not, among other things,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and she told the court that his car had been
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: white or tan, although she had initially told the police
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that it was blue. And in the Netflix zach Efron movie,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: they even alluded to the fact that she was told
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to choose Ted out of a lineup and that they
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: fed her information. Do you remember that from the Netflix
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy? They were like, how the guy that played
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: his attorney, he's like a famous actor.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I can't talk about the front because it's funny because.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: They made the the Ted Bundy documentary. The tapes came
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: out right before the movie. It's the same director.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense, but.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: It's verbatim, a fictionalized account of his documentary.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I don't remember who played a lawyer.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Well, he was like, how did you choose my client
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: out of a lineup? And she was like no, but
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that's how he sounded. And UH was like they no.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Billy Crystal, No, I'm just getting random now.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Uh, But she said they told me to. They put
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: that in the movie, so I think that was interesting.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Well, even if it's not part of the story, it
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: is part of the story if that's what they're putting
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And during a break in the preliminary proceedings, Ted purportedly
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: escaped after being conveniently left unguarded by jumping out an
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: open window and strolling down the street. Ted then quickly
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and improbably found his way to an empty cabin that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: happened to be stocked with what fucking food, clothing, a rifle,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of flashlight batteries, blankets, and first aid fucking supplies. He
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: allegedly entered the cabin by prying loose the wire mesh
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: that had been applied to the windows for security, though
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: a caretaker later said that it would have taken superhuman
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: strength to do that with bare hands, as Ted claimed
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to have done, so that's obviously improbable. What do you
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: think about his escape and fucking finding this cabin and.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Shit, Well, I don't know if I'm getting ahead here,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: but the story is that he wanders back into town
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: all disoriented. To me, if this is a real story
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: with a real badass, which let's not say for his
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: misgivings that he wasn't a fucking animal, he finds this
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: cabin with a gun, food, blank blankets, warm clothing. He
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: can't just fucking go to another town and start over
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: like any real.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Serial killer would.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I always thought this part was a little part of
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: the scripted narrative, like he escaped not just once either,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: there's a time later on that he escapes. So to me,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: it's another part of the fear campaign, like we got
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: the monster, but fuck he keeps getting out.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It almost sounded to me like they that, let's just
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: say it was part of the scare tactics. They probably
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: had that fucking cabin like set up for him.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Well, even that could be part of it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: But if this is as deep as it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Could be, he jumped out of a window.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: He could have just fucking like done that and then
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: strolled in the woods and been picked up by the
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: CIA and a fucking helicopter and they're like, all right,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: in about five days, Ted or Jack, we're sending you
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: back into that town, all disheveled, and then you're gonna
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: enter the fucking show again, and you're gonna go to trial,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: and you're gonna go down to Florida. And I don't
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: know the whole thing is really you use the word
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: improbable a couple times.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: They say that to get into that cabin it would
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: have taken superhuman strength. Yet Ted was able to jump
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: out of a window, run through the wilderness, pry open
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: this wire mesh on this cabin that just happened to
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: be stocked with all the things that he would need
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to survive for a couple of days. Then he wanders
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: back into the same town to get recaptured. Are you
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: kidding me? Does that sound like some badass cereal killering?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Not really, No, it sounds like And by the way,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: if they're watching him like they're supposed to be doing,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: how the fun did get out the window?
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: The whole thing in the first place is very weird.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: He's making copies in the library, something unattended, and there's
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: just a window that you can open and jump out of.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Uh huh, I mean a cabin that's just full of supplies.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: There's a reason that in the you know, pop culture
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: sphere nineteen fifties to nineteen eighties. Nineteen eighties kind of
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: made a change. Maybe it started in the seventies where
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: the cops started to look like badasses, but they're usually
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: just bumbling idiots, And I mean this kind of just like,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, some fucking guard was thought it would be
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: a good idea to walk away from Ted and let
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: him make copies in a room that had an open
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: window one story up where anybody could.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Jump out, and he sticks his landing, runs down and
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: find this is just all. But he was eventually captured
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: from his first fucking escape, and with his trial set
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to begin on j Ainuary ninth, nineteen seventy eight, Ted
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: again managed to escape from his captors. This time, he
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: allegedly climbed through a twelve inch square hole in the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: ceiling of his.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Cell, just like Bruce Willison. I heard pretty.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Much which he had cut with a hacksaw, raising the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: obvious question of one, where did he get a fucking
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: hacksaw from.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: He found it in that cabin and he jammed it
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: up his ass.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And two how was he able to noiselessly hack through
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: this fucking steel plate without anyone noticing. It's just like
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the cabin in the first escape. He's got fucking a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: hacksaw and tools and fucking shit in his cell and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: he's able to hack through the ceiling a twelve y
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: twelve inch hole in the ceiling fucking climbed up there.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Nobody noticed the damn thing. This this sound? I mean,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He's almost as if they've set it
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: up for him to be this crazy fucking ah.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said, the CIA could have just picked
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: him up out of the woods. Was he ever really
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: in a cell? Did he escaped from or is that
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: the story?
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: They put it on the news and they showed the hole,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: so it must be real, right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: I see holes in the news all the time.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Insane. So once in the crawl space above his cell,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: he somehow scurried over to the space above a deputy's
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: empty apartment, lowered himself down into a closet, and then
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: he casually strolled out the door to freedom. A prison
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: snitch is said to have repeatedly reported hearing Ted moving
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: around in the crawl space at night, but nothing was
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: ever done. Looking at this on its face, it should
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: be evident that this was purposeful in some way. And
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the only reason I say that is because let's just
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: say he was in a cell, and he did have
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: a hacksaw, and he did hacksaw fucking hole in the ceiling,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and he did get into the jailer's apartment through the closet,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: and he did stroll out right through the front door,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and there was a prison snitch who kept complaining that
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: he was here in head hacking this shit, and they
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything about it. Do you not feel like
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: this was by design? That he was able to escape
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: twice in like such a short period of time. And
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: then after this second escape is when he went to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: town on the fucking Kyomega girls.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that him escaping twice, If you're saying
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: like he's not a part of it, that just made
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: it easy for him. I think it's more likely that
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: he was in on it, and he isn't this independently
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: acting serial killer. He's not really part of a satanic cult.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: He's part of the cult intelligence agency.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: And he's an.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Actor playing a guy who never really existed. He didn't
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: have a fucking birth certificate. His fucking past as murky
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: as all hell, and then they try to sprinkle the
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: weirdness of his past with the basic bitch ass formula
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: of serial killers. His mom fucked people in front of him,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: she was a prostitute, she was really mean to him.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe sure sounds good on paper, but all this just
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: seems like a fucking bad movie, and so I don't
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: think it was conveniently set up for him to escape.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: If we're going to go that far, it could all
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: just be a fucking lie. And there's this guy that's
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Ted Bundy that they put in front of the camera
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: on the news.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: That's my take.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would I would agree with you, But
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I mean so.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: And maybe people really died, Like I'm not saying these
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: women at the sorority house didn't die because well, like
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: John Gusty told us.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: The bodies are real, but the people.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Can be characters.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: There can be all sorts of characters involved, but a
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: lot of times real people die in these psyops.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Well that yeah, for sure. But I mean looking into this,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: in the research behind this shit, it makes you wonder
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: how well it doesn't make you wonder how people believe it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: But it's like, damn, if more people knew about this,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: nobody would believe in these serial killers.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, because it to me, it's not
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: an either or. It's a lot of it's real and
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: a lot of it is you know, Hollywood eyed and
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: put in front of our eyes to never forget. I mean,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: as soon as this shit dies down, Netflix comes on
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: with a fucking documentary series on all of these serial killers,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: because well, what's more relevant today than it was? A've
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: read after it happened. More people now know about this
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: than when it actually going on, So the fear does
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: live on the.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: What did you show me the other day about John
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Ramsey's trying to do fucking interviews? Still in twenty twenty four,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: John Ramsey is still talking about new leads in John
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Benet's case.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was The New York Post.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: On December twenty seventh, they released breaking news in the
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: cold case of John Beney Ramsey and her dad's up
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: there given a statement.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Fuck him, dude. They're never going to crack the case
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: because we all know what really went down. If you haven't,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: you need to listen to Hey, you know what, I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: got a fucking message from someone through my link tree,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and you know, thanks to anybody who reaches out. I
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: do appreciate your feedback. Again, if you want to send
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: me a question or something, you can go on Instagram
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and contact me through the link tree. But they asked
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: me about my John bene Ramsey episodes in series I've
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: done on her, and they said that they thought it
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: started in twenty nineteen. I'm pretty sure that was Human Vibrations.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: My first episode came out in twenty twenty two on
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: John Benet. And yeah, I mean there's a lot of
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: crazy theories out there. I don't think any of them
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: are wrong or right, are perfect. You're gonna have to
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: aim for the middle on some of that shit, But yeah,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: they're still sensationalizing John Benet, So why not Ted? Why
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: not Dahmer? Why not Gacy? But anyways, once free from
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the second escape, Bundy this time was somehow able to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: quickly locate a car that just happened to be outfitted
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: with a set of studded radial tires, which would have
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: been a necessity for the snow covered roads he would
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: be facing. And it also happened to have the keys
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: already in the adnition. So it's just like the cat
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that was stocked with supplies and fucking is like they've
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: set it up for success. And this time Ted wasted
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: no fucking time getting out of town. By the time
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: his disappearance was discovered at noon the next day, he
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: was already in Chicago. Seems his stolen car didn't get
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: him very far though it apparently broke down on the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: way to Vail. Luckily, though, he was picked up, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: he then traveled by bus from Vail to Denver, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: then by plane from Denver to Chicago. Once in Chicago,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: he stole another car and drove it to Atlanta. From there,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: he made his way to Tallahassee, Florida, somehow acquiring a
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: new identity along the way. Chris Hagen, That is how
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the official story reads. Anyways, is this not fucking hard
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to believe? Given his escape seemed to have been helped
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: quite a bit?
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Believe?
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, we got planes, trains, fucking new identities. Yeah,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: he's getting How did he get? How did he have
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: money to fly?
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: A pallid questions?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And after his disappearance was announced, wouldn't they have like
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: checked some type of ida or some shit. This just
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: seems improbable. It seems improbable that he was able to
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: get to Florida in this manner.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I don't buy it.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I think they picked him up outside of the prison
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: or the jail or wherever he escaped from and took
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: him straight to Florida.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I mean that would be where my mind would.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Go instead of this whole His car broke down and veiled,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and veiled to Denver, then Denver to Chicago, and then
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: somehow he got to Atlanta, fucking stole another car, got
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: a new identity, then ended up in Florida. Like does
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: this I know, I get it, Like he's supposed to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: be like this crazy serial killer and like whatever, he's
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: got superhuman powers, I guess, But it.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Seems he's a shape shifter ish.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: They say he's a shape shifter too, I mean the
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: whole thing. That's a really good comic book idea.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but so. On January fifteenth, nineteen seventy eight, the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: infamous slaughter took place at the Kyomega sorority House on
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the campus of the University of Florida at Tallahassee. What's
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: crazy is that this crime did not bear even the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: slightest resemblance to any of the previous crimes attributed to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy, and was actually reminiscent of the attack twelve
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: years earlier that had been attributed to Richard Speck, which
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: we covered in the Program to Kill series. Colby mentioned
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: it in an earlier episode, but it appeared Ted suddenly
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: changed his mo from an occasional bludgeoning and strangulation, maybe
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: a little necro stuff to a full blown balls to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the Walt slaughterhouse killing. It just didn't match. And so
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: out in the open too, because he liked seclusion with
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: all of the other victims they were taking up into
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the mountains and shit. This one was just like he
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: went in with a club and just started busting pitches
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: over the head.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's whack them all.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I mean maybe if you want to follow the official narrative,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: I like to entertain these ideas. Maybe he had been
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: incarcerated and he'd been on the run and his fucking
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Dark Passenger was just at such blue balls he just
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: had to fucking go full BOUKACKI and just grab a
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: club with a fucking claw hammer on the end of
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: it and just start fucking going ape shit in the sorority.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, why is that funny?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: That's it?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, since you mentioned Dark Passenger, I just have
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to say, for any of you out there who watched Dexter,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the new one, the original sin were how many episodes
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: in four it's so fucking good five stars. If you
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: love Dexter, you need to watch it. It's really good.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: This episode is brought to you by paramount plus showtime.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So anyways, the Cayo Mega Sorority House, right, four girls
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: were brutally bludgeoned in the early morning hours. Two of
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: them died from their injuries. A fifth girl was subsequently
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: attacked at another location not far away. The first attack
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: at the Kyomega house occurred just after three am and
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: was over in just fifteen minutes. And somehow, in that
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: brief period of time, a single assailant, supposedly Ted Beehole,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: was allegedly able to go room to room, locating and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: viciously beating four women, in addition to raping and sodomizing
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: two of them. So, actually, my question to you is,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: if he assaulted five girls in under fifteen minutes and
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: he acted alone, is he is he busting a nut
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: in all five of them? Because he says it took
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: him fifteen minutes he raped and sodomized. Okay, wait, two
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of them. He raped and sodomized two out of the five,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: but he beat the other four and it took him
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: just fifteen minutes to accomplish all of that. His daddy
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Ben Seamers.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: The Ted Bundy Saga brought to you by bluetoo. I mean,
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: he apparently had to have a boner pill. Even the
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: official narrative that his dark passenger had blue ball.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Still, fifteen minutes he did that.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: He's a porn star.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: He went fucked all the people he killed.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that he fucked.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Them all in fifteen minutes.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: They say, wow, that's impressive.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: But doesn't that he supposedly acted alive.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: He came on every one of them in That's.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Honey, does that seem realistic to you?
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's my insecurity speaking, but nobody could do that,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: not even Ted fifteen minutes old.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Was he he was in his thirties. No, yes, here
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, no, it's not okay. I mean, maybe he
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: was a superhuman. He could rip through wire mesh outside cabins.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: He could bust nuts five and fifteen minutes. He must
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: have really enjoyed fucking whack them all at the sorority house.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: That's just yeah, that's fucking okay. We talk about maybe.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: There's more than one.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Or that sometimes it's just a flat out lie. But yeah,
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: no guy's gonna bust fucking five nuts in fifteen minutes.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: But it has to be that way in order for
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: him to get to the other location where the other
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: person got raped. So that's six in half an.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Hour, well five and five and fifteen minutes? Why not six?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: It just so I'm laughing, and I'm I know, like,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I want to know what it doesn't make sense.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: I want to know what he was eating. Right, I'm
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: gonna start that diet.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Okay. Now, one of the sorority sisters need a near
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: He caught a very brief glimpse of an intruder quote
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: unquote in the house.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Was he leaving a trail snow of semen after bumping
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: five nuts.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: So, she said she caught a glimpse of him as
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: he was leaving out the front door. She only saw
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: his profile and described him as wearing a beanie pulled
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: down low over his face maybe, and she said his
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: most noticeable feature was a large nose. Nita had just
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: arrived home at three am from a campus party and
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: was probably turned to some degree, let's be real. Although
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the state claimed that its star witness was totally sober
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: on the night of the attack, but under hypnosis, she
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: later said that the intruder closely resembled the sorority's houseboy
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: who looked nothing like Ted at all.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Okay, so maybe a sorority of five drunken men busted
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: five nuts and they blamed it on Ted and beat
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: them whatever was done that night.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Well, Nita is the only one who says she saw him,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: but she happened to be at a fucking party till
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: three am. Well, and they're saying she was sober and
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: she could remember everything. My fucking ass, there's no way.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: But then under I don't know what you call it, like, yeah,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: but it's like it's.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Got another name, cast life regression.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, regressive hypnotherapy.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would assume she's fucking all of a sudden
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: saying that it looks like the sorority houseboy. So just
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: maybe this was a real crime and Ted had nothing
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: to do with it and it was a bunch of
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: drunken college kids getting their come uppings.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but so another sorority sister, Carol Johnston,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: was only asleep that night for a total of five
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: minutes from three fourteen am until three nineteen am, when
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: she was awakened by Anita, the drunk bitch from earlier
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and others coming home from the party. But get this,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: even though she was completely awake all night except for
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: five fucking minutes, she didn't see or hear anything out
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: of the ordinary. According to her, two bitches getting sodomized
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: a room over from her, and she didn't hear a
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: peep of a sound all night.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Really sounds of sodomy silence.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Like you telling me he's over there raping and sodomizing
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: two girls right down from her room. She heard nothing.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: She basically said she was awake all night.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Maybe he did it from three fourteen to three nineteen
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: when she was asleep.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: So within five minutes he rape. That's even more retarded
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: that he busted two nuts, raped and sodomized.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Them five nuts one nut.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Per Is this really and this is really real? This
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: is what we're really supposed to believe. And why, Like,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: let's say that she isn't like a like a fake
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: witness and she's being honest. They were killed somewhere else
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: and then brought there or not at all or.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Not at all, I don't know.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, you could stage something like this, You could
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: kill a bunch of people like this, like you said,
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: and just bring in the bodies. But yeah, all the
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: details are just a little too murky to line up.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: So the first officers were on the scene by three
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: twenty three a m. Just minutes after the surviving, dazed
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: and bloodied victims had staggered out of their rooms. The
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: officers were quickly joined by a virtual army of city police,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: campus police, and county sheriff's deputies. The streets surrounding the
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: house were filled with squad cars, detective vehicles, ambulances, and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: a hearse Nearly forty distraught Sorority sisters were standing around
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: in the house, many of them with blood dripping from
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: their hands from their efforts to assist the others, and
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: joining the fucking circus was actually a bunch of curiosity
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: seekers who were literally allowed to enter in fucking rome
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: freely around in the house. Needless to say, the crime
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: scene was hopelessly compromised before any serious investigation could even begin,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: So essentially, the crime scene was a fucking There was
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: no way they were collecting good evidence from that crime scene.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: They have neighbors, they have forty Sorority sisters, they have
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: fucking people who are just walking by. Fuck, They're all
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: allowed to go in the house and trade around. It
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: just seems retarded to me.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, So here's another thing. Since we're blue Choo is
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: sponsoring this fucking episode, the Bundy Blue Choo, that's what
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: it's called ten percent off with code Bundy's Beehole. So
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: key evidence was destroyed at the scene because of the
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: shit I just said. There was a bunch of people
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: traps in around and the evidence that was preserved tended
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to point away from Bundy as the likely perpetrator, like
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: what well, for example, Seeman found in the bed of
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Sheryl Thomas, the fifth victim proved to be from a
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: non secretor, effectively ruling out Bundy as the donor. What
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: is a fucking non secretor well, non secretor is sperm
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: from someone who has a genetic trait that prevents them
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: from secreting their blood type antigens into their bodily fluids,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: including jizz. Right, and only twenty percent of men in
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: the world are affected by this, so it should have
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: narrowed the suspect list considerably and ruled out Ted Beehole.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: That's something that no one talks about. This should have
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: been like easy. As soon as they saw that Ted
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: didn't have this condition, they should have ruled him out immediately.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe she came home from a party where she was
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: secreted with the non secretor guy.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: But so that would mean that Ted didn't rape them.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Then, I mean, you can get fucked and then raped
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: later in.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: The night, but they the share. So the other victims
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: didn't have this same one, but they still attribute Ted
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: to raping and murdering all of them.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I think we just kind of pointed out how impossible.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it is impossible. But I mean it doesn't
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: stop there, because chewing gum that was discovered in one
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of the victim's hair that could literally have yielded both
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: saliva and bitemark evidence was also destroyed, and saliva that
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: would have likely been present around an alleged bite wound
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: in the butt cheek of another victim was swapped away
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: at the scene. I know you're familiar with that, the
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: whole bitemark evidence stuff. So they wiped that clean, and
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: now it brings us to the elusive bite mark that's
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: used in the Kyomega trial. If you guys have kept
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: up with true crime stuff at all or watched the
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: uh the Zach Effron on Netflix, you'll remember this. But
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: the actual bite wound was allegedly photographed at the crime scene,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: but the photos that were later produced in the trial
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: were not the originals taken with the medical examiner's camera.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Why well, it's said that the fucking medical examiner's camera
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: somehow malfunctioned. So the photos that were provided are not
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: only not the originals, but they are also said to
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: be taken and supplied by a quote crime scene specialist
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: end quote after the fact, so obviously they are altered photos.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: It's just like when Maryland's body went missing after it
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: got to the Morgan then all of her fucking internal
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: organs were missing after that, you know how I always
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: talk about that shit. So they take the photos of
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: the BYTEmark, supposedly the medical examiner's camera fucked up. They
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: went back and they basically staged the bite mark and
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: took new photos of it with a different camera. What
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: do you think about that? Par for the course, And
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: it doesn't stop there, because this section of skin that
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: contained the incriminating bite mark was excised and placed in
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: a saline solution. But wouldn't you know, unfortunately it was
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: destroyed in the process. So we don't have the original
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: photos of the bitemark, and we don't have the actual
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: bitemark itself. Why they felt it was necessary to actually
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: cut it out of her butt and put it into
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: a solution is beyond me, because if they needed to
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: look at it or examine it in any way, they
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: would have just left it on her body, right they
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: cut They went the extra mile of cutting it off
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and then putting it in a saline solution. But ooopsie,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that was the fucking acid solution. It's fucking dissolved. Sorry.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Another inconsistency about the crime scene that was first observed
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: by one of the first officers on the scene was
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Ray Cruz. He said that Lisa Levi's body when he
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: discovered it was cool to the touch, but according to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the official version of events, she had supposed to be
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: dead for just a few minutes, which would not have
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: been long enough for her body to have noticeably cooled.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: So it kind of goes along with the theory that
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier, and maybe all these bitches
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: was killed somewhere else and then brought inside the house,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: which would make sense why they have different sperm in
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: each of them and nobody heard a fucking noise all night.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: But you know what else is fucking weird. Not long
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: after the bloody rampage in Tallahassee, twelve year old Kimberly
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Leech disappeared from Lake City Junior High School in broad
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: daylight amid heavy rush hour traffic. Was found two months later,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: completely drained of blood. The cause of death was listed
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: as homicidal violence to the neck region. The day after
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: her disappearance, coincidentally or otherwise, Ted Bundy's name was added
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: to the FBI's ten most Wanted list. At this time,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: there was absolutely no indication that Ted had anything to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: do with the Florida murders. First off, they certainly didn't
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: match his mo and secondly, there was no reason to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: suspect that Bundy was anywhere near the state of Florida.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: So why are they It's kind of like, you remember
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: the conference, and then like the next couple of days
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: they identify him at the park, and then somebody just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: happens to give his name to the police, and then
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: he just happens to fucking be able to escape twice.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Now they just happen to add his name to the list.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: After all these Tennessee or not to see, all these
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Florida murders go down. It's like they know something we don't.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: They know that they're going to pin it on him, right,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: you see.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like they already have this hole. It's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: like the story and Ted Beehole was arrested shortly after
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the Kyomega murders, bearing yet another new name, Kenneth Meisner.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: And wouldn't you like to know? Ted actually spent his
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: last night of freedom in a wooded area of the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Elgin Air Force Base, which is a restricted military facility.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: He had in his car at the time an array
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: of credit and identification cards, as well as several photos
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: of young girls and young women, So he's able to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: somehow get on a restricted military facility to spend the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: night and pops up with new credit cards, new ID
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and a fucking new fucking name and hello. Seems like
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: he was touching base with him before the whole review
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: went down. If you ask me, what do you think? Yeah,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: a restricted military facility.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Really, it's just funny that that information's out there, like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: who reported that?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I found it on a website and it's also mentioned
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in Program to Kill?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: But why is there a record of him having been there?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: That's the weird.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Part, because he's I think they asked him where he was,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: and he said Elgin Air Force Base.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: So that's his testimony, I guess, So it.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Just doesn't fit the rest of the narrative.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: So, while Ted was in Pensacola, they went in to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: basically get some time have a statement from him, and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: he said he wanted to talk without counsel, and they
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: interrogated him, and this interrogation was taped, but later on
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Ted's public defenders said that they had been refused entry
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: into the interrogation room, that Ted never said he wanted
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: to speak without counsel, And it just so happens that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: these tapes that were recorded were conveniently filled with gaps,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: supposedly due to the tape recorder malfunctioning. But it only
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: happened to malfunction quote unquote whenever Ted was supposedly making
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: incriminating statements, and none of the confessional statements as they're called,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: were recorded, but detectives swore that Ted made them, and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: we're just supposed to take them for their word for it,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: although then basically all the tapes are intact except for
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the part where he's supposedly confessing to the murders. And
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I just thought that was pretty convenient. There were some
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: interesting bits of the conversation that were recorded, though, including
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: this exchange. A police interrogator said, where'd you get the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: money that you used after your escape to travel across
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: the country from and Ted said, while, man, there's other people.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Other people are in on it, which also reminded me
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: of Gazy, who said at nauseum that there were other
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: people involved, but nobody takes their word for it. It's
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: like they have to be lying. There's no way other
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: people are involved in this shit.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they're willing to say that much, but they're
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: not willing to drop names, or if they are, it's
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: not part of the public record. There are gaps in
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: the testimony. Who knows he could have been saying all
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: sorts of shit.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: That's right, if they're real.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: If they're real, and think about it. Who played a
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: part in the investigation and prosecution of Ted Bundy. Well
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: we have Herb Swindler, the head of the homicide division
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: and the father of Bundy's first girlfriend, Kathy Swindler. Then
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: we have Daris Swindler, the forensics expert who examined the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: alleged victims remains in Washington. Who happens to be in
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: fucking Tallahassee on the night of the Kyle Mega murders
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: for no explainable reason.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: What's the.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we have good old Vernon Swindler, who
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: was a fucking juror in the fucking Kyle Mega trial.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Those Swindlers keep swindling us.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Nothing unusual about that, right, Swindler is a good fucking
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: name for this family. Because we have his first girlfriend
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: is Kathy Swindler. Her father, Herb, just happens to be
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: the head of homicide for Bundy's rampage. Then Daris shows
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: up in Tallahassee on the night of the Kyomega murders,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: and then Vernon Swindler gets to be a juror on
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: the fucking Kyomega trial. So, I mean, that just seems
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: so fucking convoluted to me that I don't know why
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: people haven't discovered this before. Now, Like, literally, that shouldn't
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: even be allowed that his first girlfriend and a juror
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: on the Kyomega trial are related.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Not to mention the other two.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the fact that Ted's defense team included
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: a quote unquote jury expert who was actually an Atlanta
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: hypnotist named Emil Spillman. And how about the notorious bitemark evidence. Well,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: it was presented to the jury even though, as we
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: mentioned before, the actual bite wound itself and the original
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: photos had been destroyed. I know what you're thinking, The
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: bittemark looked like it matched Bundy, right, I know I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: thought the same thing. And if you're like me, you've
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: seen pieces of the trial in documentaries and movies. Do
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: you remember in the trial when doctor Richard Soberon said
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: this quote, I took models from the casting of Bundy's teeth,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: and I went to the morgue and I pressed the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: models into the buttocks region on different individuals and photographed them.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: He literally said in court that the pictures that they
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: were providing that were supposedly Lisa Levi's ass cheek were
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: dead people in the morgue, that he took the casting
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: and pressed it into the skin to make the mark.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: So that wasn't even the fucking, the fucking pictures that
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: they were seeing. Weord Bundy's teeth that had been pressed
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: into random dead people's asses. It wasn't even Leeza Levy.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: Well, from what I understand, bite mark evidence, when it's
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: in flesh isn't even it'll be the wayside. It's not
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: going to be admissible in court because it's not a thing.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: But do you remember I fought you on that because
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I said the bite mark looked like it could match
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy's teeth. Well, that's why it really was Ted
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Bundy's teeth on random dead asses in the Morgue.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: Still, the whole thing, I don't know. I don't think that. Yeah,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: you could bite like a piece of wood and get
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: a perfect imprint, but you're.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Talking about swelling and bruising and skin is just different. Yeah,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I guess so. But even if it I'm just saying,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: even if it was real bitemark evidence and they were
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: trying to put those two pieces together, they were doing
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: a shit job of it anyways, because they didn't even
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: have the actual they destroyed it. So something else that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: was weird to me was the speech the judge gave
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: to Bundy at the end of the Kyo Mega trial
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: was almost as if he actually felt sorry for him,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: And it never made sense to me if the judge believed,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: as the jury had just convicted him of, he was
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: a mass brutal murderer, So why he was so sympathetic
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: towards him I really don't understand, and listening back to
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: it with a different perspective, it makes more sense, almost
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: like the judge knew Bundy had accepted his role as
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: the patsy and was going down with the thinking and ship,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: even though it was clear he wasn't the perpetrator. I
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: do want to play a clip of this speech he
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: gave to ed Bundy. But do you remember it. I'm
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: not asking for mercy before.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: I find it somewhat.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Absurd to ask for mercy for something I did not do.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: So I will be tortured for and will suffer for it,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: and receive the pain for that act, but I will.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: Not share the burden for the guilt.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: This court independent off.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: But in agreement with the Advisor's sentence rendered by the jury,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: it is hereby imposed the death pending upon the defendant,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Theodore Robert Bundy. I carry yourself, young man.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: I say that to you, since if carry yourself, it's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: a tragedy for this court to see. It's such a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: total waste. I think the humanity that I've experienced in
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: this court. You're a bright young man. You made a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: good lawyer. I'd love to have you practice in front
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: of him, which do you want to know, the white.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Partner, what did you think of that?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: Well, it's just like you said, it's very theatrical. I
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: don't know if it was real, if the judge was
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: like sympathetic towards him for the reasons you're saying, or
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: if it was just you know, it makes good TV.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: He was like, I'm sorry, partner, you went a different way.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I remember it from the documentary very well,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: where I don't know the guy seemed to like him.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you he just got convicted of brutally
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: murdering five girls, any which could have been your daughter,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: your sister, or and he's almost like feel sorry for him,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Like would you give that speech to someone who just
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: murdered five bitches? Or like if you thought he was
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: innocent and he was going down with a crime he
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: didn't commit, that sounded like the speech he got.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, either way, it was very dramatic. The documentaries are
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: just full of stuff like that.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: But so in January nineteen eighty he was back in
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: court to again face murder charges, this time for the
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: death of Kimberly Leech. There was virtually no chance of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: him receiving a fair trial, since his name recognition in
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Orange County, where he was being tried, was said to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: have been at ninety eight percent, So.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: All of the jurors.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Already knew who he was and that he had been
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: convicted to death for the Kyomega murders. Then all of
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: the states started coming together Utah, Colorado, Washington, fucking all
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: these and they were all like it were, it's Ted.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: All of these murders are Ted. And so by the
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: time the fucking Kimberly Leech trial came around, everyone already
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: wanted Ted to be the bad guy.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Well where could he have had a fair trial?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: No shit, because he was a household name of this.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: He was one of the first ones they ever televised,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: or maybe the first one that was ever televised. I
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: think I remember that from the Ted Bundy tapes. He
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: was the first televised murder trial in history. So isn't
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: that convenient? And then of course he's going to go
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: down with Kimberly Leach. So that the evidence that they
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: had for the I'm just gonna sum it up. The
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: evidence that they had for the trial for Kimberly Leach
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: was some fibers they found in a van that Ted
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: reportedly stole, but there was no evidence to suggest that
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: he ever stole the van. The fibers in the van
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: didn't suggest that Ted was ever in there. The fingerprints
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: didn't belong to him that were found in the van.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: There was this detective guy who said he saw Bundy
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: in the area. But this detect this guy was later
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: hypnotized and questioned and it wasn't fucking Ted at all,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: and so they and then during the trial, Ted fucking
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: did this theatrical he asked that crazy lady to marry
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: him and shit. In the middle of the trial. Everybody
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: hated him. They made him out to be the bad guy, right.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: It took the jury forty five minutes to deliver yet
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: another death sentence. On February ninth, the second anniversary of
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Kimberly Leech's disappearance, and following the verdict, Ted was sent
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: to occupy a cell right next to that of our
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: good old friend Otis Tool. So it's like a full
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: circle moment for the Cosmic Peach podcast. He uh, he
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: was right next to Otis Stool, which actually I never
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: knew that.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think I did.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: So did you have anything to add about Kimberly Leach
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: other than the fact that it didn't match his IMO whatsoever.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: Well, it's the one that I talked about before where
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: the timing of it was impossible.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was another thing.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: He couldn't have done both. I just want to reiterate
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: on that fact, because if he was playing below your
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: Load five times in fifteen minute, whack them all at
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: the fucking chi Omega Sorority, how the fuck was he
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: doing this kidnapping in broad daylight and rush hour traffic.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: He couldn't have done both if either.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: And also didn't match his em O. She was way
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: younger than all the other victims, she was drained of blood,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: she was sounds.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: More like a lot of the cult shit that was
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: going on. Uh huh, then, uh huh.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: But he's the bad guy. They've televised it, they put
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: him on the ten most wanted list. It has to
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: be him because that Ted's the bad guy, and this
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: is the bad.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: Guy of the story, Theodora Patsy Bundy.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and throughout the nineteen eighties, long long after Ted
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Bundy had been locked up and tossed out, women continue
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: to vanish in and around the Seattle area, as many
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: as one hundred of them by some counts, many of
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: them underage, and just like that, we got a new
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: bad guy with a bitch and moniker. As these killings
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: were attributed to the so called Green River Killer, who
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: has never been caught to this day. So it's kind
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: of like we were saying with Zodiac. As Zodiac was
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: fizzling out, Ted Bundy was actually on a plane to
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: San Francisco, spent some time there, then comes back and
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: becomes Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy gets locked up, and just
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: like that, we have the Green River Killer.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: And then Dahmer around the corner.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I don't know what you think about this,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: but it's seeming to be an actual fucking pattern.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: Life is nothing but Netflix, and we get a new
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: series and when one ends, the next one begins.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny, I haven't really watched that much
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: shit on the Green River Killer, maybe because they never
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: caught him. Could the Green River Killer be fucking LinkedIn
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: with the Smiley Face killers? Do you think as I
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: alluded to with John Wayne Gacy?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: And also some of those Ted Bundy victims, remember I
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: said that they found out they had been kept somewhere
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: for a long period of time and then drained of
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: blood and all this other shit. It's like all of
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: these shits could be Smiley Face in my mind. But
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I do want to say before we move on, that
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: we talk a lot, and I've said this before about
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: how serial killers are probably like CIA trained, programmed to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: kill and all of this and blah. I do believe
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: there are genuine authentic serial killers though, because watching that
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: show last night, there's thousands of serial killers that never
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: even their names, don't even see the.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: Light of day.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: They're just like, oh, another crazy Stloney and then that's it.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: It's like we've talked about throughout this entire thing, the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: phenomenon itself could have been orchestrated intentionally, or it could have.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Been you know, controlled blowback.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: But you get all these kids in these military preschool
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: bases that go through satanic ritual abuse, some of them
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: are going to become serial killers. It doesn't take much
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: to push damaged kids over the edge.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: So, and some people might be able to take this
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: abuse without just fall on fucking exploding and going crazy.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: Many probably can't. So to say that every single one
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: of these things.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Is a syop. I mean that's a little naive in my.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: Opinion, And you know, some people probably think I'm naive
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: for saying that some of it is.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's definitely something though. It has
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: a pattern, and I think the ones that get like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: these bitch and monikers and shit are the ones like
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Son of Sam and then fucking Zodiac and fucking you know,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: those are the ones that we should yeah, you know,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: but night ser night stalker. Uh huh. I do want
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: to take a minute kind of switching gears and talk
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: about the phenomenon of the collectors. And there are actually
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: quite a few. One of our favorite collectors is is
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: uh Jeff, but there are a couple other ones that
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: never really get mentioned a lot, and I just wanted
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: to talk about them briefly before we get into the
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Dahmer stuff, if that's okay with you. So uh. This guy,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Leonard Lake was a collector. He started collecting in the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: San Francisco area in July nineteen eighty four. Bob Burdella
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: was also a collector. He started collecting in Kansas City, Missouri,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: also in July nineteen eighty four. Gary Heidnik was another collector.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: And he started collecting in Philadelphia in November nineteen eighty six.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: But out of all of them, it seems Jeffrey Dahmer
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: is probably the best known of all the collectors, and
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: he started collecting in Milwaukee in nineteen ninety, around the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: same time that her Bowmeister started collecting in Indianapolis. And
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: so the phenomenon of the collectors is these people who
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: have the fetish like Jeff where they just keep bodies
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: and they're usually gay. They keep bodies of men and
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: boys for a long periods of time and they do
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: weird shit with them. And actually her Bowmeister gay was
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: taking boys back to his house, strangling them with a
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: pool hose and then keeping their bodies around. And I
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: found out about him through watching an episode of Ghost
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Adventures because they the people who moved into her Baumeister's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: house that it's haunted as shit. But a lot of
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: these names, Bob Burdella, Gary Heidnik, I mean, maybe Leonard Lake,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I have maybe I had heard about him in passing before,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: but they were just as bad as Jeff and I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: don't think people talk about him much. And two of
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: them started up in the same year.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like Phase two point zero of Program to Kill.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: You got these guys popping up on the West Coast
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: in the sixties and seventies, and now it's moving to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: the Midwest and it's on the whole new breed of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: serial killers.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of want you to watch. I doubt
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: you will, but I kind of want you to watch
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: the Ghost Adventures when they go to her Baumeister's house.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: You can give me the cliff notes.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Man, they was catching some shit. They was catching some shit.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: You would think of place like that, like if Jeff's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Dahmer's fucking apartment complex was They tore it down, but
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: if it was still up and you could go visit
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: in there, don't you feel like that would be a
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: fucking haunted motherfucker. He had to have opened the portal
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: tom shit.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: Well, he had killed many there and he had an
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: altar mm hmm.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Do you think that by doing stuff like that.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: You can sure for the sake of argument? Why not?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Why for the sake of argument, Because.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: I as far as metaphysical paranormal stuff goes.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: You're not into it, No I am, but I'm not
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: willing to like say I know how this shit works.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, but do you remember can I say about your DMT? Sure,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: do you remember when you told me and you took
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: DMT that like you felt your body like pop up out,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: you popped up out of your body and you went
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: into like another like you don't feel like somebody dying
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: and going through that process over and over and over
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: again in the same room would cause like some portal
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: activity to open up.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it said.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: For the sake of argument, I'm willing to say that's all.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Possible, because like, don't you get like a huge DMT
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: rush when you die, and like supposedly.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: That's that's what they say.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Like how many people died in these horrible like drilled
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: holes in their skull and shooted acid in there and
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: fucking he was making pull pork sandwiches out of fucking
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: people's asses and shit and like feeding it to people.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Like all that shit went down in a one bedroom
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: apartment he was. There's no way that if you walked
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: in there you'd probably get the fucking chill.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean you're saying that place was torn down,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: That area.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: A playground on top of it.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: Go sit in a swing what you feel there?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: You can't just get rid of that kind of energy
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: by tearing the building down.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I know, right, So you go down the slide, didn't you.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe you're gen boys over at ghost Hunting Adventures
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: or whatever the fuck go sit in a swing set
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: with their little.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: Particle reader and thing E is that the Ghostbusters use?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: See what he sees?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: But so briefly touching on some connections between the collectors,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Heidnick was military, and actually, in January nineteen seventy nine,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer joined the US Army and requested that he
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: be trained as a military policeman.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: Everybody's favorite people in the military is in the.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: MP, but the army opted to send him to Fort
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: sam Houston near San Antonio, Texas for training as a medic.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: When that training was completed, he was sent to an
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: army hospital in West Germany to work as an orderly
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: But I guess I didn't work out too well, and
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey was released early with an honorable discharge. And he
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: also returned with a craving for drinking fucking blood bags
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: and human meat spaghetti. So I don't know what the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: fuck they had going on with the fucking military shit.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: But if we're sticking with program to kill. What are
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: your thoughts.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: On that connection.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of people over in Germany who
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: like human meat spaghetti. Well, they went missing and it
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: was I've seen other podcasters and investigative journalists try to
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: say that some of this stuff happened when Dahmer was.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Stationed there, got the fuck up.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: And I can't cite any of that off the top
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: of my head. It's kind of like The.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Clown and the Candy Man. I know, I listened to it.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: I was lucky there's a podcast on it.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: I've heard other people talk about this. I want to
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: see a cool fucking thing.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: I want to say Jay Diren might have been one
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: of them. He's the one that talked about the Clown
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: and the Candyman. But there's people who do speculate that
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: he really did start this shit over in Germany when
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: he was in the military, and then he came back
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: here and they set him loose.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: That's a brilliant theory. Another connection between the collectors would
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: be that jeffries hometown of bath, Ohio was just fifteen
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: miles from Bob Burdella's hometown of Cuyahoga Falls, which kind
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: of seems odd that two collectors would be just fifteen
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: miles apart from each other. Bob Burdella, by the way,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: was a World War Two veteran and a member of
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: the Knights of Columbus, So we have another military connection
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: not only with Heidnik, but with Burdella and Jeffrey, and
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Bardella and Dahmer were only fifteen miles apart from each other.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Before we move on, I'm from Ohio. I've been to
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: all parts of Ohio. I don't know where the fuck
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: jeff got his accent from.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a weird amalgamation of accents. It almost sounds
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: like Canadian or North Dakota Minnesola, DA.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: But doesn't it make you wonder if even his backstory
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: is not all the way because well, he doesn't sound
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: like he's from Ohio.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: His backstory is very interesting, and you know, it's one
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: of those things that I first got into in this
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: whole realm, and it's very dexter like, like his dad
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: knows he's got him enemy, thinks he can channel it
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: into taxidermy. And I remember thinking that out of all
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: these people, Dahmer had the most quote.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Unquote normal upbringing when he really did not.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: And I mean they even talk about some of his
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: dad's testimony in some of the movies and documentaries where
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: his mom was like on a plethora of psychiatric drugs
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: when she was pregnant with them, and she never really
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: loved him. He didn't get the physical affection that is required.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: For a kid. Yeah, but I mean he almost said
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: it like he'd be like, I'm going to the bar,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Like that's not an Ohio accident.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: No, it's like Midwest Canadian.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like Ted Bundy with no birth certificate.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Where the fuck did Jeff really come from?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: His dad doesn't sound like that, and neither does his mom.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: They don't say bar. I don't know.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: So he sounds like he's from Fargo the movie.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he sounds like fucking or.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: What's the other one we just watched the other.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Night, Grandma's Grandma's Boy, Uh with the Bucky Bucky Lawrence Larson,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: Bucky Larson.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: Nick Swartzen talks like Dahmer in that movie. Yes, and
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: he's from Iowa.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: His bomb and his dad don't sound like that. So
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: where the fuck did he pick that up from? Bar?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: Some people just talk weird.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He was like I wanted to make an.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: Author I wanted to worship Satan A.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: I watched The Exorcist, and then I went to the bar.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: Not the Exorcist, the Exorcist part tool.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: So. Jeff was born in nineteen sixty, the son of
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: a research chemist with PPG Industries. His father, Lionel Dahmer PhD,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: admitted that he, as a boy, had been fascinated with
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: fire in the art of bomb making, and recalled that
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: at thirteen he had wanted to hypnotize a girl so
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: that he could control her entirely. Lionel Dahmer also.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Said, who hasn't wanted to do that?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, you do stop. Lionel also said that Jeff
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: had been molested at the age of eight by a
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: neighborhood boy. So do you think Dahmer's dad was into
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: some weird shit. I mean, he's this PhD guy who
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: wants the rape girls, it sounds like, and is fascinated
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: with bombs. He is working as a research chemist with
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: some weird company. And this is how Jeff turns out.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Well, it seems like with Lionel's testimony and some of
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: the stuff you've seen in the fictional.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Recreation of all this story.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: He tends to blame himself on what level we don't know,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: Like if he feels like he passed some shit on
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: to Jeff or he didn't handle his fascination with death
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: in the right way, but.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: He's stuck by him till the end.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did, and he did kind of take on
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: some kind of like responsibility for how he turned out.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know how deep that could go. You'd have
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: to talk to the guy. He's probably dead.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Now, do you think he is?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I know he was.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: He was alive recently, but it's been some years.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: Hold on, let's just.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Look it up. You want me to just look on
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: my phone.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: He died December fifth, twenty twenty three, so he's been
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: dead for about a year.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: That's recent, Jeffrey Or I mean, Lionel rip.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: I thought I remember hearing he died recently.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: That's why I wanted to.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Look that up, so to kind of sum up what
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: I have for the Dahmer stuff real quick, just not
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: all of the Dahmer stuff. But one of the things
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: that caught my attention was while on a senior class
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: trip to Washington, d C. Jeff made a call from
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: a pay phone, and then announced to his high school
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: classmates that he had secured them an appointment to visit
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: the office of the Vice President of the United States.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: His friend thought he was fucking around, but somehow, fucking
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Jeff actually did lead them on a tour of various
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: offices in the White House. And it's never been fucking
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: explained how the aspiring serial killer had established such impressive
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: contacts in Washington. And it also has never been revealed
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: who the fuck it was that Dahmer called that day
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: to arrange the impromptu private tours. I thought that was odd.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: It's mentioned in documentaries, but it's almost to kind of like, oh,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Jeff was a fun guy. Jeff, fucking look what he
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: did this one time? They want to went on a
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: school trip and he got a fucking tour of the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: White House. Are we just gonna breeze by that?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Who the fuck is Jeff to get that set up?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: It makes me think of Gasey with Evelyn. Evelyn Carter's wife,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: Jimmy Curters was, Oh, yeah, Rosslyn, I think it's I
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: wanted to say he uh had a photo with her?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's who would have been in office when
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: Dahmer was a senior in Nurist.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: The fuck up.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: Think about it.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: He was born in nineteen sixty, right, so in nineteen
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: seventy eight he would have been eighteen. Carter is seventy
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: six to eighty, so it would have been the same
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: administration that was.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: So you're saying Dahmer and Gaysey knew this, bitch, I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: don't know he got them a tour.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know who we talked to.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: Gaysey knew her well enough to get a photo with her.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean heknewer at all.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: It means he could have.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: But well, who the fuck do you think Jeff called
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: that day? I don't know he took him on a
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: tour of the fucking vice president's fucking office. Never says
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: who we talked to, but that you're saying that would
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: have been the first lady though.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if if he was on a senior class trip,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: he was either seven teen or eighteen, right, most seniors,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: so that would have been seventy seven or seventy eight.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: I think he was a senior high school and that was. Yeah,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: that was the Carter administration.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: The Carters Man but so there is actually a ton
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: more jeff stuff that is just completely absurd and profound.
• 1:35:24
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• 1:35:32
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• 1:35:36
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• 1:35:43
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• 1:35:48
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• 1:35:52
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• 1:35:56
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• 1:36:00
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• 1:36:05
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• 1:36:09
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• 1:36:18
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• 1:36:21
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• 1:36:25
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• 1:36:31
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• 1:36:34
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• 1:36:35
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• 1:36:40
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• 1:36:44
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• 1:36:49
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• 1:36:51
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• 1:36:54
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• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you for having me, Julia, it's been a pleasure.
• 1:37:00
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• 1:37:05
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• 1:37:10
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• 1:37:12
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• 1:37:15
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• 1:37:19
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• 1:37:22
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• 1:37:25
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• 1:37:29
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• 1:37:34
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• 1:37:40
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• 1:37:44
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• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Pull a strange when you're a strange. H faces, look uglue.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: When you're a lone, because I wanted to keep them
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: with me. And as my obsession grew, I was saving
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: body parts such as skulls and skeletons, and eventually I
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: did turn to cannibalism. Uh No, there are times when
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: I still do still do have the old.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: Convulsions amazing all the time that I should have been caught.
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  Speaker 1: I never was.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that maybe when in long.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I deserve. I deserve death.
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  Speaker 3: Oh delivery real better not.
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  Speaker 3: What what in the count?
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  Speaker 1: Will you count me down?
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing, babe?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was gonna be a left.
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  Speaker 1: What it's funny about that? What was I even saying? Hopefully?
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  Speaker 1: What did I say?
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  Speaker 3: Ah? Straight over?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the way you're gonna get a good flow.
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  Speaker 4: just gonna see her and make bad noises.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say something important.
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  Speaker 3: Think about it, and I want'll help you remember.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, it does give me one last part? What
• 1:40:48
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  Speaker 3: Beans.
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  Speaker 1: So actually my question too.
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  Speaker 4: You.
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  Speaker 1: Got you.
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  Speaker 4: That? Come discutter yourself for a second, because you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: just keep doing this.
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  Speaker 3: You just gotta get out the giggles. Thick of minds.
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  Speaker 3: It's dancing on the street. Stump the redwood tree.
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  Speaker 1: Stumps Okay, you look so hot in your fucking splitter profile.
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  Speaker 1: Pick I would eat your ass like Jeffrey Dahmer. The
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Milwaukee Jeffrey Dahmer Walking Tour is in Cream City. Really,
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  Speaker 1: there's no irony in that.
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  Speaker 3: It's gruesome.
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  Speaker 4: You get to walk the streets where you poach seven
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  Speaker 4: of It's bit victims.
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  Speaker 1: You know there are Sichos that are fucking you know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll probably take the tour wor you got any coffee left?
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