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🎪 Death of the Pastor’s Wife: Part 2 & 3 Mica Tried to Get Out—Then Everything Changed | Abuse, Stalking & True Crime Breakdown · This Is My Circus

• 0:06
  Okay, cool.
• 0:07
  I'm Stephanie.
• 0:07
  I'm Meredith.
• 0:08
  And welcome to This Is My Circus.
• 0:09
  Let's jump into episode two.
• 0:10
  Um- I'm so excited.
• 0:11
  All right.
• 0:11
  What was the documentary named?
• 0:12
  So this is Death of the Pastor's Wife.
• 0:14
  It's the Mike and Melissa story.
• 0:16
  Yes.
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  And it is on Netflix.
• 0:17
  And then episode two is Help Me.
• 0:19
  Yeah.
• 0:20
  Yes.
• 0:20
  Yeah.
• 0:20
  So we ended episode one with JP being on the way to the sister's house.
• 0:25
  Mike had needed a break because- He's crazy he's insane.
• 0:28
  Correct.
• 0:28
  And, we hear that he's on the way and he's armed and all this kind of stuff.
• 0:32
  And this episode gets pretty dark.
• 0:35
  Very fast.
• 0:36
  Yes.
• 0:37
  He's on the way, he's armed, all this stuff's going on.
• 0:39
  They call 911.
• 0:40
  We hear the sister on the phone with 911.
• 0:42
  I can't remember which sister Mike is with at this time.
• 0:44
  It doesn't matter.
• 0:45
  But we hear the sister on the phone and she's like, you know, he says he's up at the end of the road and da, da, da, da.
• 0:51
  Well, apparently things just dissolved, I guess.
• 0:53
  I really don't know the resolution there other than JP just ended up twisting it and love bombing her, and there's no charges pressed.
• 1:00
  Right.
• 1:00
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:01
  She went back, uh He love bombed her, and again, in the back of her mind she's like,"I wanna be a biblical wife.
• 1:08
  I'm trying to do what the Bible says." And he was putting in her head she's failing Correct in every aspect of being a wife.
• 1:13
  Correct.
• 1:13
  She's not submitting to him, she's not doing all the things she's supposed to do sexually or just being the whatever, first lady.
• 1:21
  Now, we don't hear anything about, like, his kids visiting them or anything either- Mm-mm which I thought was really weird.
• 1:27
  I thought so too, but then, I mean, if I was Ally, I probably would do everything I could to keep- Well, same.
• 1:33
  But, like, I would just assume that the court- At some point he would have- Yeah.
• 1:36
  I would just assume- Right that there was some kind of mention of the children- Mm-hmm and there's not.
• 1:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:40
  Anywhere.
• 1:41
  So I just thought that was weird.
• 1:41
  Yeah.
• 1:42
  It is weird, and I thought about that too,'cause I was like, in all this craziness, were the kids ever there?
• 1:46
  Yeah.
• 1:47
  Like, at some point he had to have custody somewhere- Right I would think.
• 1:50
  Or, I mean, like, yeah, I mean, weekends, whatever.
• 1:52
  Yeah.
• 1:53
  So Micah tells Charlotte and her sisters, we're just gonna have a weekend.
• 1:57
  We're gonna turn our phones off and we're just gonna chill.
• 1:59
  We're gonna reconnect." I can't even imagine how many times he wanted to have sex this whole time.
• 2:04
  Mm-hmm.
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  And on Monday morning the phone comes on and she texts Charlotte that it was a wonderful weekend.
• 2:10
  And, 10 minutes later she says,"Actually, not very wonderful." So it's like he was standing over her shoulder wanting her to send a certain thing.
• 2:17
  He left, and she was like,"Actually, eh." Yeah.
• 2:19
  "It wasn't great." Mm-hmm.
• 2:20
  Things just got worse.
• 2:21
  Yeah.
• 2:22
  JP puts a group text together saying, with the family, saying that Micah's having a manic episode, but he's isolated Micah from the family.
• 2:31
  Mm.
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  She's not in this group text, and he won't give her her phone.
• 2:35
  They can't contact her.
• 2:37
  He's taken her to put her in the hospital.
• 2:38
  He won't tell them, the family, where he's taking her.
• 2:41
  Just controlling.
• 2:43
  Right.
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  And all the things.
• 2:44
  We find out that she spends time in the hospital and before and after that, JP would control her medicines, so he would withhold her medication if he didn't want her to have it.
• 2:54
  Just every single thing that he could control.
• 2:58
  And the best friend calls Pastor Pam, and he's like,"Hey, what can we do to change your mind?
• 3:03
  Can you work with us here?" And all this kind of stuff, and she's like,"Uh, no, I can't do that." So she meets with the elders, and, but they're not willing to do anything.
• 3:10
  Yeah.
• 3:11
  So basically they're doing something.
• 3:13
  I'm just kidding.
• 3:14
  I don't know.
• 3:15
  So, um, we're in July of 2023.
• 3:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 3:19
  And, Charlotte and, Micah is like,"I wanna hang out with you again," and they hang out.
• 3:23
  They hadn't seen each other in a long time.
• 3:25
  Micah doesn't look good.
• 3:26
  Right.
• 3:26
  And Micah looks really bad, and it actually shows pictures, and I'm thinking that's of this because she talks about them camping, and Micah looks bad.
• 3:34
  And we all have bad days, trust me.
• 3:36
  Mm-hmm.
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  More often than not.
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  But, like, she had this beautiful glossy hair.
• 3:39
  I've had bad years- in front over here.
• 3:42
  I've had bad years.
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  But she just, she was always...
• 3:44
  She was a natural beauty.
• 3:46
  She was beautiful.
• 3:47
  Yes, gorgeous.
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  Uh, just gorgeous.
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  And she just looks like she looks brittle.
• 3:51
  Haggard.
• 3:51
  Uh-huh.
• 3:52
  And, so at this point is when Micah's like,"Yeah, JP's having an affair, and it's with this lady named Susie Skinner." Mm-hmm.
• 4:01
  "And, yeah, I'm not okay with it, but it's been going on for a while." Right.
• 4:05
  So then we pop back to 2021, and we find out a little bit about Susie.
• 4:10
  Ugh.
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  Disgusting.
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  So she was married to her husband, his name was Chris.
• 4:15
  Mm-hmm.
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  And he had passed a year before.
• 4:17
  Now Chris had been in an accident and he was in a wheelchair, like wheelchair-bound.
• 4:22
  Mm-hmm.
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  Susie was his physical therapist, and she was just like a strong influence, and she was a Christian lady and all the things that he wanted.
• 4:29
  And yeah, I know.
• 4:31
  I'm just telling you what my notes say.
• 4:35
  The, the coroner says that he accidentally fell into a pool.
• 4:38
  Now I do, like I have so many questions and like I said, I've read so much and whatever, I do want to find out like the date.
• 4:43
  Like was it February and he was out by the pool?
• 4:45
  'Cause that really doesn't make sense.
• 4:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 4:46
  Like August and he tips in, that's- but still- I know it doesn't make sense.
• 4:52
  It doesn't make sense, but I'm, I guess I'm just trying to rationalize things.
• 4:56
  Too rationalizing in this situation there's not.
• 4:58
  There's really not.
• 4:59
  So- Whatever, like the worst-case scenario is, I'm sure that's what it is.
• 5:02
  Probably, which is what his sister thinks.
• 5:04
  That's Tara McDermott.
• 5:05
  She thinks that like he, when he had that conversation with JP, found out something that he either didn't want to know, shouldn't know, couldn't know, broke his heart, something, and that's what happened.
• 5:17
  So she thinks that he committed suicide?
• 5:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 5:20
  And she doesn't think that the wife was in on it?
• 5:22
  Mm-mm.
• 5:22
  She didn't say yes or no really on that.
• 5:24
  She just, and what I've, the other things are just that she really feels like- That happened.
• 5:29
  But I have heard other things, I'll go ahead and say it, that like before Chris was injured, he was a water bug.
• 5:34
  Right.
• 5:35
  Like, kinda like us.
• 5:36
  We know how to work around a pool.
• 5:38
  he knew s- how to be safe- Right I guess is what I'm trying to get to.
• 5:40
  So that doesn't make sense.
• 5:42
  So there's still a lot of questions.
• 5:44
  Right.
• 5:44
  I- it's just still, you know, whatever.
• 5:47
  Mm but yeah, so that's tragic.
• 5:49
  Well, JP preaches Chris' funeral.
• 5:52
  Ugh.
• 5:53
  And, Suzi speaks.
• 5:55
  And watching that, like they're either streaming it or they're recording it, so we have all this footage of all these things.
• 6:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 6:02
  So we see Suzi get up and I'm just like you dirt- Yeah like you, you piece of whore trash.
• 6:08
  Like piece of trash, whore.
• 6:09
  Same thing.
• 6:09
  Yeah.
• 6:10
  You trash can.
• 6:10
  Um, so five weeks after the funeral though, JP is preaching and he's, you know, preaching to his congregation about what else but sex and relationships and he's like, you know,"You people that say you're fat and you people who, you know, have issues with c- can't get a man, look at this man right here," and there's a picture of Chris I guess up on the stage thing.
• 6:28
  He's like,"He got this hot mama over here," and talking about Suzi.
• 6:31
  Gross.
• 6:33
  So gross.
• 6:33
  While your wife is- While your wife is there- Yeah spiraling- Yes out of control and five weeks after the funeral.
• 6:41
  So yeah, Micah's not doing well.
• 6:42
  Right.
• 6:43
  And this is when Micah has decided to make him a contract that he has to sign.
• 6:47
  Right.
• 6:48
  There's several things on the contract.
• 6:50
  If the affairs don't stop she's gonna leave him.
• 6:54
  And nobody can leave JP.
• 6:56
  Nobody can leave JP.
• 6:57
  And I really didn't even write down all the things on there, but it's stuff similar to that.
• 7:01
  But we do see a video of her videoing him and she's like, um, you know,"What would you do, what would you do to keep me?" And he's like,"I'd do anything.
• 7:10
  I'd even be committed to a psych ward." Mm.
• 7:13
  And I'm like that's just stupid.
• 7:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 7:16
  So we go back to the biblical counselor that she's meeting and, again, the counselor says, you know,"Micah's struggling." And at this point Micah's like,"I know this is toxic.
• 7:27
  Like, I know that this is bad." And, the counselor's like,"Her heart was just to serve and to give to people.
• 7:34
  She was just one of those people." Mm-hmm.
• 7:36
  So she was like, you know,"I'm trying, I'm talking to her, but, you know, whatever." Nothing's getting through.
• 7:40
  Yeah.
• 7:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 7:41
  So three months after this marriage contract, the brother and his wife, Nate and Victoria, I think was her name, they're out getting coffee and they see JP and Suzy- Mm-hmm out getting coffee, holding hands.
• 7:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 7:51
  And then JP comes up to Nate at the coffee place.
• 7:54
  He's like,"Hey.
• 7:56
  Can I buy another coffee for you?" Please don't tell my wife.
• 7:59
  Yeah, yeah.
• 8:00
  So Nate told Micah, and she was so upset.
• 8:03
  Like, obviously.
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  But she was like,"Okay.
• 8:06
  I have tried everything," and I know her heart was breaking for so many reasons.
• 8:09
  Yeah.
• 8:10
  Again, she didn't wanna be like her mom, she was disappointed in the failure, He was telling her she was a failure.
• 8:15
  She just felt all the things.
• 8:17
  But she told Charlotte that she was gonna file for divorce.
• 8:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 8:20
  She's like,"I'm done.
• 8:21
  I'm not doing this." And Micah goes on Facebook, and she's like, you know, divorce, and it does.
• 8:26
  It, the Bible says God hates divorce, but the reason God hates divorce is because it hurts people.
• 8:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 8:32
  Doesn't abuse hurt people?
• 8:34
  Yes.
• 8:34
  Absolutely.
• 8:35
  Abso-freaking-lutely.
• 8:37
  Yeah.
• 8:37
  Go Micah.
• 8:38
  Do you want me to notarize that paper for you?
• 8:40
  Right.
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  'Cause I am in South Carolina.
• 8:42
  Like- The fact that he was using the Bible as a weapon- Mm-hmm is disgusting.
• 8:49
  Right.
• 8:50
  I can sympathize with her so much- Mm-hmm in this moment.
• 8:53
  Mm-hmm'cause you do feel like a failure.
• 8:55
  When your marriage does not work and, like, you have tried every single thing possible- Mm-hmm like, you feel like such a failure.
• 9:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 9:01
  There is nothing that you were capable of doing- Mm-hmm that could fix this, and- Yeah so, like, I, I can totally see, her spiral Yeah'cause I went through it.
• 9:10
  Yeah.
• 9:10
  I went through this spiral.
• 9:11
  Yeah.
• 9:12
  So- And it's, and it's like, I'm sure she knew that, that She, but it, her heart was still- 100%.
• 9:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 9:20
  She knew that this wasn't good.
• 9:21
  Right.
• 9:22
  And she knew that this was toxic.
• 9:22
  She knew that she was being abused at this point.
• 9:26
  Like- Yeah I mean, she had put it all together.
• 9:28
  Yeah.
• 9:28
  But You're still, you're still holding out hope.
• 9:29
  Yeah.
• 9:30
  And you're still believing wh- she was still believing that God was gonna make things- Right right?
• 9:35
  And you're just, you're still hoping that that person has enough love for you that they're just not gonna be that way.
• 9:40
  Yeah.
• 9:41
  It's just, it's tragic.
• 9:43
  Yeah.
• 9:43
  When we got to this part, I was like, oh, girl.
• 9:46
  Oh, no.
• 9:46
  We find later she's got, she's written a lot of things down.
• 9:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 9:51
  And she didn't say his name, so it's not like it was slander stuff or whatever.
• 9:54
  I don't know how all that would've worked, but she's a very smart lady.
• 9:57
  So she's hurting.
• 9:59
  But she moves out, and then he's like, I didn't understand this.
• 10:02
  He was like,"You need to come pick up this box of your stuff." And I'm like, she's only got one box?
• 10:05
  Mm-hmm, because he had everything of hers.
• 10:08
  I guess.
• 10:09
  Yeah.
• 10:10
  And there was a gun and bullets in the box.
• 10:12
  And she was like,"Uh, I'm not messing with that," so she calls her brother Nate to pick it up.
• 10:17
  Like, you can get that.
• 10:19
  I'm not dealing with that.
• 10:20
  And I'm like, was that a hint?
• 10:21
  Was that foreshadowing whatever?
• 10:24
  So, we see Bruna again, which is the pretty redhead with some kind of accent.
• 10:28
  I think she's, like, Danish or something.
• 10:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 10:29
  I don't know.
• 10:30
  But she says at this point Micah told her everything, and you can just see the pain on her for having to witness all the things her friend went through and just to know all the things.
• 10:42
  Like, oh, my God, like, I wish I would've known.
• 10:44
  You can just feel that.
• 10:45
  Right.
• 10:46
  But apparently this is where we find out he was even more gross than we thought.
• 10:51
  He would pay homeless people.
• 10:52
  Mm-hmm.
• 10:52
  He was paying a homeless man to, or homeless people, I don't even know, to grab her boobs.
• 10:57
  Which is nothing compared to the fact he would also pay them to finish on her.
• 11:02
  Uh-huh.
• 11:03
  Absolutely- And recorded it disgusting.
• 11:05
  Yes.
• 11:05
  And he used that against her too he used that against her too.
• 11:08
  Apparently there were, we found out later there were threesomes.
• 11:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 11:11
  I don't know if it was with her and two homeless people, JP, her, and homeless people, I don't know.
• 11:16
  And then you gotta think of, like, diseases, right?
• 11:18
  Like- Oh, God, yeah.
• 11:20
  Mm.
• 11:21
  Yeah.
• 11:22
  He was just continuing all of his, you know, all of his forms of abuse.
• 11:26
  He was, he was denying her sleep.
• 11:29
  So she would finally fall asleep, and he'd start flashing the lights on and off.
• 11:32
  Sleep deprivation is a real thing.
• 11:35
  Yeah.
• 11:36
  Been through it too.
• 11:36
  Yeah.
• 11:37
  And this is where we see...
• 11:41
  If I can't sleep, you're not so, um, yeah, we talk about JP having pictures and videos of them, even just them two together, and he's controlling Micah with that.
• 11:52
  Told her that nobody else would want her because of this.
• 11:55
  Ugh, so terrible.
• 11:57
  So Micah meets with her sisters at this point, and they go for a long walk on the beach, and they're just having some time.
• 12:02
  She tells them that she's divorcing him, She is done, and they're like,"Thank God.
• 12:06
  You know, it's gonna be rough.
• 12:07
  We're here for you." A very loving family.
• 12:09
  Mm.
• 12:09
  I thought they were very supportive.
• 12:10
  Right.
• 12:11
  She told the counselor, she was like,"I don't know how long I'm gonna have money to be able to continue to see you." Counselor's like,"You know what, girl, don't worry about it." Mm.
• 12:20
  "Let's just, we'll meet for coffee every once in a while.
• 12:21
  Like, that is fine." And I'm like, yay.
• 12:24
  Yeah.
• 12:24
  That is a good person- Right who's just trying to be a constant and just a voice of reason for her when she's getting all this other nonsense put in her head.
• 12:33
  Micah's working at a restaurant.
• 12:34
  She's independent from JP.
• 12:37
  She's got her own car.
• 12:38
  She's got her own phone.
• 12:39
  She is excited about starting her life over.
• 12:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 12:42
  I mean, she's not thrilled with, like, everything that it's gonna take to get there, but she's positive.
• 12:47
  Right.
• 12:47
  She's at lunch with her sister and, all of a sudden JP walks up and is like,"You took my laptop." And she's like- What?
• 12:57
  "What?" And she's like,"No, no, no." And then he said that the, the doctors were trying to call him.
• 13:05
  And she's like, Nothing you're saying is making sense, but whatever." They're still legally married.
• 13:10
  So at this point, JP had called, probably called like 911 or I don't even know if he reached directly out to the mental hospital or what, just says that she's, you know, suicidal again and all these things.
• 13:21
  So they're gonna put her on a 72-hour psych hold.
• 13:25
  And She's like,"I don't trust you to take me," or whatever.
• 13:28
  I don't know why he's gotta take her, but she doesn't want JP to take her, and so he's like,"Well, I'll have a church member meet you and they can take you," like a neutral party kind of thing.
• 13:36
  She's like,"Okay, whatever.
• 13:37
  I still think this is a bunch of BS, but this is what we'll do." And she gets to where she's meeting this person and the cops are there.
• 13:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 13:43
  And they're arresting her or maybe not really arrested, but just like putting her in the car and doing other questionable things, like- Yeah just more controlling and more assholery.
• 13:53
  Well, just to put her back in her place because- Exactly she tried to escape him.
• 13:56
  Exactly.
• 13:57
  Let him know that she still doesn't have- Yes freedom.
• 13:59
  So this is a situation where, um, and this is about 2024, just to keep all of the timelines in perspective.
• 14:06
  So, he had taken her car, her phone, and her laptop.
• 14:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:09
  All of those things were in her name, and he took them.
• 14:13
  So she calls the cops from the hospital bed- Mm-hmm and she's like,"Yo, homie's got my stuff.
• 14:19
  It's not his.
• 14:21
  Can can you go get it?
• 14:22
  Just go get it." And they're like,"Um, okay." And she's like,"Well, he's impersonating me, and it's not his, it's mine, and we're legally separated." And she is so patient.
• 14:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:32
  I'd probably at this point be like flipping tables, like I'm over having to explain this over and over again.
• 14:38
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:38
  and they're like,"Okay, do you want us to come up there and take a report?" She's like,"No, I want you""I want you to go get my stuff." And it's just like a big deal that she's just trying to get her stuff back.
• 14:51
  Yeah.
• 14:52
  Anyway, so she gets out of the hospital and she's just consistently moving.
• 14:57
  She's, she's gone from JP.
• 14:59
  She's trying to stay safe.
• 15:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:01
  And so she's moving around to different houses.
• 15:04
  One of my main thoughts was she's got all these siblings who obviously love her.
• 15:08
  She didn't wanna put them in any kind of danger, of course, and she was just trying to minimize the- Well, and I- impact, I guess.
• 15:15
  Yeah, and I'm sure, they probably still didn't know the scope of everything that has happened.
• 15:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:19
  Because it's embarrassing.
• 15:21
  It's- Mm-hmm you don't wanna admit that you've gone this, down this rabbit hole.
• 15:25
  I mean- Right you've been this far down- Yeah and you didn't reach out for help sooner.
• 15:29
  Right, right.
• 15:30
  So at that point, you're embarrassed.
• 15:32
  You want to try to take care of it on your own.
• 15:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:36
  And you wanna just push it under the rug and- Yep and hopefully be free.
• 15:39
  Yep.
• 15:40
  So- Yeah I can see Not doing that Agreed.
• 15:44
  Agreed.
• 15:45
  You're trying to save a little bit of face.
• 15:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:47
  Even though people know...
• 15:48
  Yeah.
• 15:49
  Like you just- When people know it's bad- Yeah they just don't know the depths of it.
• 15:52
  Right.
• 15:52
  And- That's exactly right.
• 15:54
  Yeah.
• 15:54
  Yeah.
• 15:55
  So, as she's moving, she lives with Diana Niosi, I think is how you pronounce it.
• 16:00
  She lives with her a lot.
• 16:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:01
  Um, they spend a lot of time together.
• 16:03
  That's actually who she was living with when she passed.
• 16:05
  They end up getting a Ring camera.
• 16:07
  They got that installed.
• 16:08
  So we see some videos of Micah coming and going and doing the things.
• 16:11
  Well, we see, again, what does he do?
• 16:14
  Love bomb.
• 16:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:15
  And he's sending her flowers, and he's doing the things.
• 16:19
  And he's texting her.
• 16:20
  She would get new numbers, and somehow he would find it.
• 16:23
  I'm assuming, again, not in the documentary, but I'm assuming because of the law enforcement connections he had, he was able to track that somehow, I guess.
• 16:32
  I don't know all the ins and out of how that works.
• 16:34
  But, just telling her she's not being a biblical wife.
• 16:37
  And again, remember, Micah's heart was just pure love and wanted to be godly and point people to Jesus, and he is- Manipulating found her weakness, which is her wanting to live that way, and continuing to use that as his weapon- Right basically.
• 16:54
  So again,, multiple times a day, calls and texts, and I think he was kind of going back and forth between belittling her and love bombing her- Yeah and just keeping her off balance- Yeah probably.
• 17:05
  So we find out that she's got a tracker on her car.
• 17:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:11
  They find it.
• 17:12
  and I think we mentioned this earlier, but just to reiterate, he would send texts to her and say,"How was McDonald's today?" Mm-hmm.
• 17:20
  And she was like,"You know what?
• 17:21
  They really are stalking me." So he's doing that.
• 17:24
  He's just continuing to- Push every button is not even the right term he's just doing every, every sense, like physically, mentally, those aren't even senses.
• 17:35
  But you know what I mean, it's just like everything But, and I know it's a control thing, but he's already got the side piece.
• 17:40
  Right.
• 17:40
  Why?
• 17:41
  Like, just let her go.
• 17:43
  It's the control.
• 17:44
  I know, but it just drives me crazy.
• 17:46
  Agreed.
• 17:47
  It makes no sense.
• 17:48
  Agreed.
• 17:49
  Yeah.
• 17:49
  So, they, one, one time they found the tracker, and I believe she was with her brother Nate at this point, and they pull into the police station and they're like,"Yo, here.
• 17:57
  Do something with this." And all of a sudden in the parking lot, here he comes in his little minivan or SUV or whatever, and they're like,"Ta-da." He's a stalker.
• 18:07
  Like, point proven.
• 18:07
  And so Nate whips his phone out and he's recording,, JP as he's, skedaddling out of there and just like, obviously, this is what's going on, so- Exhibit A at this point it's like exhibit Z.
• 18:19
  Yeah.
• 18:20
  So again, another police report.
• 18:23
  She's doing the things that need to be done to try to protect herself, but it's just freaking paper.
• 18:27
  Right.
• 18:27
  She finds the razor blades in her car tires, and again, what do we do?
• 18:32
  File a police report and let them know.
• 18:33
  And it's, like...
• 18:34
  Okay, so one time she had the razor blades in her tires.
• 18:37
  She had parked at a parking deck out at Myrtle Beach, and she went and she walked on the beach, and then she came back to her car from walking on the beach, and that's when she discovers the razor blade.
• 18:46
  So it's not like her car was at home and somebody drove by and was like,"You know what I'm gonna do?
• 18:50
  I'm gonna razor blade those tires." Yeah.
• 18:52
  Obviously following her, stalking her, putting her, and- I think how scary is that?
• 18:56
  Okay, right.
• 18:57
  Yeah.
• 18:57
  So you're in a parking garage.
• 18:59
  Right.
• 18:59
  Like, that's terrifying.
• 19:00
  Like, that's terrifying- And it's really, like, early, late, late night, early morning- Yeah at this point.
• 19:04
  My nerves are shot.
• 19:05
  Like anybody- Yeah.
• 19:06
  Right I could not...
• 19:08
  Uh, the parking garages are scary, like, to go- They are scary regular day.
• 19:12
  They're eerie.
• 19:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:13
  Besides- And you're telling me you love me, and you're doing this.
• 19:18
  And you're telling me I'm not godly and doing the right things, but you're doing this.
• 19:23
  Even if he's not physically the one doing it, he's controlling the actions of whoever is.
• 19:27
  So again, files the police report.
• 19:29
  She's told that they're legally married, so they can't do anything.
• 19:32
  So you're telling me that he can destroy my property, we're separated...
• 19:38
  everything's in her name.
• 19:38
  Everything's, yeah, has nothing to do with him, but because we're still married on paper he can do this, and there's nothing I can do about it.
• 19:46
  So that's just pitifully sad to me.
• 19:49
  So we see JP in church, which thank God he's still in church, right?
• 19:52
  Oh my gosh.
• 19:54
  Anyway, preaching.
• 19:56
  Still preaching while he's harassing her and abusing her, and he, he asked his congregation to pray that she hits rock bottom.
• 20:06
  Which is kind of disgusting to me.
• 20:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:08
  Let's just pray that they have their eyes opened if that's what you feel like you need to pray for.
• 20:12
  Yeah.
• 20:12
  But let's not want them to just absolutely crash.
• 20:15
  Yeah.
• 20:16
  he wants them to pray that she hits rock bottom so she could come to her senses.
• 20:20
  Again, this is all for his, showmanship and, you know- Mm-hmm he is not doing anything to her wrong.
• 20:26
  Right.
• 20:26
  Well- She's crazy right.
• 20:28
  Well, of course not, because at this point he tells the congregation,"We've just won, for the fourth year in a row, Best Church in the area." Oh my gosh.
• 20:37
  And he's texting Micah,"Nobody is gonna want you.
• 20:41
  Nobody's gonna love you.
• 20:42
  You're a horrible person.
• 20:44
  And-..."Because you're divorcing me, you're not a biblical woman." Yeah.
• 20:46
  Which, again, that's like he found the one thing that's the most important to her and he's just digging into it and digging into it.
• 20:52
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:53
  He's posting nudes of her online.
• 20:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:56
  And I can't remember the name of the page.
• 20:58
  It was, like, curvy and something.
• 20:59
  I was like, he's not even, like, posting on, like, a random- Like- profile.
• 21:04
  Yeah.
• 21:04
  He went to, Curvy and Smurvy or whatever it was.
• 21:06
  I don't know.
• 21:06
  But- Curvy and Purvy?
• 21:07
  Curvy and Purvy.
• 21:10
  That might have been what it was.
• 21:11
  I don't remember., So he's doing that, and her sister in Kansas is like,"Look, come live with me." She tells her again, like,"Just come." She's, you know,"I, Micah, I do not want to bring anybody else into this any further than we already are." So then she ends up reaching out to somebody who is my new hero.
• 21:30
  Her name's Regina Ward, and she's the attorney.
• 21:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:32
  Oh my gosh, I'm now following her on TikTok.
• 21:35
  And, uh, she's, she's something.
• 21:38
  I really liked her.
• 21:39
  But she reaches out to her and she's got...
• 21:42
  Micah was very, very smart, and I don't know if she just did this stuff because she was somebody who documented things- Mm-hmm or if she really thought that it, there would be a point where she needed to have things documented.
• 21:54
  But she wrote everything down.
• 21:56
  I think, probably she knew it was heading that way.
• 21:59
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:59
  So she was just trying to-'Cause I did the same thing, and I sent it to my sister and I said,"If- Did you?
• 22:05
  something happens to me," like, this is...
• 22:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:08
  That's so scary.
• 22:09
  I'm so sorry you had to do that.
• 22:11
  Yeah.
• 22:12
  I put it on like a cloud- Mm-hmm and I sent my sister the password.
• 22:16
  Yeah.
• 22:16
  And I said,"Something happens to me, make sure the police see that." Yeah.
• 22:20
  Well, and that's smart.
• 22:21
  Yeah.
• 22:22
  And we see other glimpses of Micah doing that, that we can talk about in a little bit too, where she is prepared.
• 22:29
  So she has written things down and she's given them to Regina, and Regina's like,"Gold mine." Mm-hmm.
• 22:35
  Gold mine.
• 22:36
  So, um, we, we, you know, again, JP's the master of an email, he thinks.
• 22:43
  So he decides to send an apology letter- Ugh to Micah.
• 22:48
  And, he says,"I vow to never let you be involuntary committed and let homeless people into the marriage." What?
• 22:57
  So we got it in a wedding now.
• 22:58
  Yeah.
• 22:59
  Regina's like,"Thank you." Uh-huh.
• 23:01
  "That's, that's what I needed right there." And then actually this episode just kind of ends with Micah telling her friends and family that she is afraid for her life and she doesn't want to die, because he's just done all this stuff to freaking terrify her.
• 23:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:15
  So that's where two ends.
• 23:17
  All right.
• 23:17
  So- And I think we should jump into three.
• 23:19
  Episode three is What Happens to Micah.
• 23:21
  So we, at this...
• 23:23
  I keep saying at this point, and I don't want to keep saying that.
• 23:25
  So- Now now, we hear that preachers use personal stuff in the pulpit, and now it's starting to click with, oh, all of this stuff that he's been preaching about and teaching and harping on is, you know, the lust and the physical stuff and the sex and all of that is starting to make a little bit of sense.
• 23:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:49
  We also get a little taste of him and his father's relationship.
• 23:54
  They were estranged, and go down that rabbit hole of, of Dr.
• 23:59
  Miller, if you would like to, to hear a little bit about Pops.
• 24:02
  He had his own legal issues.
• 24:04
  He was charged with exposing himself to a police officer.
• 24:08
  Don't know what the official, term on paper is, but that's what he, that's what he did.
• 24:13
  Maybe he whipped it out and was in, like, a bathhouse or something.
• 24:18
  Right.
• 24:18
  And the dude that he approached was, was not down for whatever he was trying to, make happen there.
• 24:24
  And so, you know, he's a, he was a police officer.
• 24:27
  So that just is like...
• 24:29
  some stuff is hereditary, some stuff is not, and I don't know about all of that, but it's just interesting.
• 24:36
  That was the one thing he got caught doing.
• 24:38
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:38
  I'm sure that wasn't the first instance of some kind of craziness.
• 24:41
  Yeah, and then it's nature versus nurture, right?
• 24:43
  Yeah.
• 24:43
  Like, you don't know.
• 24:44
  But I'm sure that JP was around that.
• 24:47
  Right.
• 24:47
  Or something.
• 24:48
  Like, there had to be some more depravity.
• 24:51
  Is that the right word?
• 24:52
  I don't know, just some weird shit- Yeah happening that he had experienced that was his normal.
• 24:56
  Right.
• 24:56
  I mean, I've never heard anything about his mom.
• 24:58
  But he knows it's not normal because he puts on this facade.
• 25:01
  So he knows.
• 25:02
  You're right.
• 25:03
  You're right.
• 25:04
  He's not living like that's the way that normal is.
• 25:06
  His normal is.
• 25:06
  Yeah.
• 25:06
  He's telling everybody it's everything but that.
• 25:09
  ugh.
• 25:10
  So Micah's still hanging out with Bruna, which I love her accent.
• 25:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:14
  You know I do.
• 25:15
  Yeah.
• 25:16
  And, this is on April the 25th, 2024, and, she serves JP with divorce papers.
• 25:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:23
  After he served, we see more documentation that Micah had in her genius and/or foresight or whatever written down, because she had to prove that she needed the restraining order.
• 25:34
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:34
  I guess you can't just be like- He's bothering me.
• 25:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:37
  Make him go away.
• 25:37
  Yeah.
• 25:38
  You have to prove that, which on one hand I'm like,"Okay, I get it," because- You have- you have to have some kind of control over- Right how those are just handed out.
• 25:48
  You can't just, just willy-nilly give everybody one.
• 25:51
  Dang it.
• 25:51
  But, you get a restraining order and you get a re- But, at the same time, very sad.
• 25:58
  Mm.
• 25:58
  Because there's some stuff that you can't even put into words.
• 26:00
  You wish that it wasn't the case, but a lot of people abuse the system- Mm-hmm.
• 26:03
  Mm-hmm in that way- Mm and to make, you know, custody battles- Yeah and what, divorce, Yeah all of it.
• 26:08
  Yeah.
• 26:08
  So.
• 26:09
  So we see Micah's writing, and some of the things that she mentioned is that, JP had showed the church members naked photos of her Like, she has that in writing.
• 26:20
  Why?
• 26:21
  Okay, so why are you showing that...
• 26:23
  Like, why are the church members interested in that?
• 26:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:27
  I want the context of that.
• 26:28
  Yeah.
• 26:29
  And we might not ever know it.
• 26:30
  Was it in a group text?
• 26:31
  Or it's like he's like- Was it like,"Hey, yo," or- Or he pulls up the website that he uploaded it to and said,"Oh my gosh, she posted these photos." Maybe.
• 26:38
  Maybe.
• 26:39
  Mm.
• 26:41
  Maybe.
• 26:41
  Or he could have maybe even, if he had control of her phone, text nudes of herself from her to...
• 26:49
  I mean, I don't know the situation.
• 26:51
  Yeah.
• 26:51
  But, the other thing that stood out to me is she wrote that homeless people were paid for threesomes with them.
• 26:59
  Now, I don't know if that's her and JP and an unhoused person.
• 27:05
  I don't know if it's two unhoused person and her.
• 27:10
  I'm just thinking STDs and all, like, the grossness that's its own set of torture.
• 27:15
  So she's, she's written all these things down that are reasons that she needs this restraining order.
• 27:21
  And the next thing that we know, they've got a hearing set for June the 5th.
• 27:25
  So it's end of April.
• 27:27
  I know, and like- June 5th for a restraining order, it should not take that long.
• 27:30
  And that's when, our new hero says,"That's just too far away." Yeah.
• 27:35
  She knew.
• 27:36
  And we've done enough true crime stuff to know when the woman chooses to leave, that's the worst and most dangerous part- Right in the relationship.
• 27:45
  So it's the morning of April 27th, and we kind of get a step-by-step on what happened that day.
• 27:53
  9:00 AM, Diana, it's her roommate, hears Micah in her room.
• 27:58
  Micah called Nate and she just told Nate, her brother, that she was scared that JP was gonna show up to work.
• 28:04
  She came out of the bedroom at about 9:30, had some coffee, and she leaves at 10:13.
• 28:09
  We see this on the Ring camera.
• 28:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:11
  So we do have exact dates and times of a lot of this stuff, but for this day specifically, they're down to the minute.
• 28:18
  Right.
• 28:21
  I really don't know where she went in that time.
• 28:22
  I might not have written it down she came back at 11:00 to the apartment.
• 28:26
  At 11:38 she left for work.
• 28:28
  So in that time she was apparently making her lunch.
• 28:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:33
  And just doing, you know, changing clothes, getting her uniform on, getting ready to head out to work.
• 28:37
  Right.
• 28:38
  And then at 12:12, so 30 minutes later basically, she arrives at Dick's Pawn Shop.
• 28:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:45
  12:32 she buys a gun and she uses her debit card to purchase that.
• 28:48
  12:40 she's traveling on the interstate and she stops to get gas.
• 28:53
  So if you're about to off yourself, you're not gonna- Mm-mm fill up your tank.
• 28:56
  And you're not gonna make yourself a lunch- Right which was found in her car.
• 28:59
  At 2:54 the 911 call came in that we heard, and I didn't write it word for word, but it's, you know, that's what we had kind of opened with when we were talking about her just asking the 911 operator if she could track her location- Mm-hmm and, and know where she was so everybody could find her body.
• 29:17
  A couple hours after she was supposed to be home from work, Diana texts 911 just to, you know, say,"Yo, what's up?" 4:28 there's a call comes in that a body was found in the water.
• 29:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:31
  At 10:39 the police go to, to Diane's house, and JP called Diana from S- Suzy Skinner's phone- Mm that night to tell her that Micah had passed, I guess.
• 29:42
  Yeah.
• 29:42
  JP texts Micah's family, her siblings that loved and cared for her,"This is what happens when you tell a mentally ill person that they don't need their medication." Disgusting.
• 29:55
  JP messages Laura, the counselor Mm-hmm that she had needed her medication.
• 29:59
  I don't know.
• 30:00
  Everybody handles grief differently.
• 30:02
  Well, no, he, he- He's a monster, yes.
• 30:06
  So the next morning, it's, 4:27.
• 30:07
  JP,"It's time for church.
• 30:10
  Let's go.
• 30:11
  Let's get our clothes on.
• 30:12
  Let's get ready and go." We see JP doing his piano thing disgustingly.
• 30:17
  He preaches.
• 30:19
  Yep.
• 30:19
  He preaches a sermon.
• 30:20
  All of a sudden at the end...
• 30:21
  Now, at the end of a church sermon, a lot of times it's like everybody stand up and bow your heads and, if you feel like you need to come and pray, come and pray.
• 30:28
  If you need somebody to pray with you.
• 30:29
  You know, it's just like a,"Let's wrap it up.
• 30:31
  If you felt moved to do anything, let's do that, and then we'll be dismissed." Mm-hmm.
• 30:35
  So he stands up and tells people,"We're not gonna have an altar call, so we're not gonna have anybody come down and pray or anything.
• 30:40
  Everybody just stand up." And they do, and he says he got a call last night that his wife passed away.
• 30:46
  It was self-induced.
• 30:48
  In North Carolina, and the funeral's next Sunday It's barely been- But they haven't d- they haven't determined that yet They have not determined- Yeah that it was self-induced.
• 30:56
  But he was, he was getting ahead of the- He was getting ahe- and I feel like those aren't even the right words, like self-induced?
• 31:02
  Mm-mm.
• 31:04
  Like self-inflicted maybe.
• 31:05
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:06
  Self-indu- like that just, I feel like he was just having diarrhea of the mouth.
• 31:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:10
  Like, well, who cares if it's in North Carolina?
• 31:12
  Did he say that because he was in, I think, Charleston at the time to prove that, to go ahead and squash any thoughts- Yeah he was trying to get ahead of it- Mm-hmm um, in front of, the people he deems- Mm-hmm he needs to be a certain way in front of.
• 31:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:27
  And- Yeah yeah.
• 31:28
  And that was all just to get ahead of it.
• 31:29
  I guess.
• 31:31
  So it's barely, apparently, been about 12 hours since he discovered that she had passed away, and I mean, he's already got 3:00 next Sunday is the funeral, and he's telling them, and he's just like, basically,"Look, just everybody leave.
• 31:43
  Don't talk about it.
• 31:44
  Just get out of here." So as things are going on, I don't want to say it's wrapping up.
• 31:50
  Things are still very much- tangled and emotions are, uh, uh, uh, this has just happened and it's a shock I'm sure to everybody.
• 31:57
  So, the cops come and interview Nate and Ciera, his wife.
• 32:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:02
  And they're like, what's going on?
• 32:03
  What do you have?" What can you tell us?
• 32:05
  What can you give us?" And he's like,"Actually, I have all these trackers that have been on her car, so why don't you just take this?
• 32:10
  And, also I've got some- The police reports.
• 32:13
  Right.
• 32:13
  I also got some of her writings and stuff.
• 32:16
  And the cops were like,"We're looking into this.
• 32:18
  We're on it.
• 32:19
  Chase is on the case." But he also has all the connections at the- Bingo police.
• 32:25
  Bingo.
• 32:26
  So it really went nowhere.
• 32:27
  Yep.
• 32:27
  And JP is, he's, again, trying to stay ahead of things.
• 32:30
  So he texts Diana that he wanted her diaries, her Bibles, et cetera.
• 32:34
  Basically anything that's there, he wants to come and get.
• 32:38
  Well, Diana had called Nate.
• 32:40
  She was like,"Yo- Come get this before he gets here come get this stuff." And then her sister Abigail also, and they're there.
• 32:46
  They're telling us that they looked everywhere.
• 32:48
  They were looking for anything and everything that they could take with them of hers.
• 32:51
  JP also reached out to the counselor and wanted any notes that she had taken from their sessions, which, what BS is that?
• 33:00
  Yeah.
• 33:00
  I'm sure even when you do your hypnotist stuff, you're bound by some kind of whatever notes you might take.
• 33:07
  Even just- Yeah morally- Right ethically.
• 33:10
  Right.
• 33:10
  Like, it might not be a professional thing.
• 33:12
  You know I would never give it to him- No his spouse.
• 33:14
  No.
• 33:15
  Mm-mm.
• 33:15
  Even if it's not, written in your, whatever the codes are for doctors and all this kind of stuff, you still have this responsibility to respect your your patients- Yeah.
• 33:23
  Absolutely.
• 33:23
  Yeah or whatever.
• 33:24
  Yeah, their clients, whatever.
• 33:26
  So, she's like,"You know what?
• 33:28
  I don't have any notes, bro." I won't tell Brian anything, I promise.
• 33:31
  I know you won't.
• 33:32
  It's all on this podcast anyway.
• 33:35
  She's like,"You know what, dude, I don't have any notes.
• 33:37
  And to be quite honest, we did write some things down, but we shredded them because we wanted to leave them in the past and to destroy them, so anything we might have had, you're just out of luck." Mm-hmm.
• 33:46
  And, he's just like,"Well, that sucks." So he calls Regina Ward, calls the attorney, and he's like,"You know, I don't think you know me." She knows him.
• 33:55
  But, here I am.
• 33:57
  And she's like,"Actually- You don't think I know you, but I know you because you were served two days ago.
• 34:03
  So let's just, basically let's just quit the bullshit- Mm because we know who we are.
• 34:07
  And he's, she's like,"You want to clear some things up for me?" And then he's crying.
• 34:11
  "Nobody believed me.
• 34:12
  She needed her medicine.
• 34:13
  Da, da, da, da, da." And he's just, and she's just like,"Record." She's recording all of this.
• 34:20
  Good.
• 34:20
  Yeah.
• 34:20
  Yes, 100%.
• 34:22
  I'm glad.
• 34:22
  She should have.
• 34:23
  She's a smart cookie.
• 34:24
  She is a smart cookie.
• 34:25
  I'm glad she did that.
• 34:26
  They did a toxicology report on Micah but no autopsy, and she was cremated, and everything was rushed.
• 34:33
  So on 5/5, so 27, what's that?
• 34:35
  The next week, JP's in the pulpit.
• 34:38
  He's acting weird, and he's telling, the congregation"I just don't know what to say, and I don't know how to act and whatever.
• 34:44
  just weird.
• 34:46
  Yeah.
• 34:46
  A few days after that, Robeson County ruled it a suicide.
• 34:50
  Wouldn't you not love to see his, like, search history?
• 34:54
  How to act after a spouse'- Yeah what is it?
• 34:59
  Self-induced death.
• 35:02
  Like, I would love to see his search history.
• 35:04
  I can't even think of all the twisted stuff.
• 35:07
  What's the best way to put razor blades in tires?
• 35:09
  Yeah.
• 35:10
  Where to hide a tracking device.
• 35:11
  Yeah.
• 35:12
  I'm sure there was a ton of it.
• 35:14
  We start to see some of the stuff that Micah had done on the day or leading up to the day that she passed away.
• 35:22
  We see that she had Googled national parks..
• 35:26
  Now, I'm gonna jump out of the following the narrative of this whole documentary just so we can kinda think about this.
• 35:33
  She tells the 911 operator that she doesn't know where she is.
• 35:36
  Like,"Can you find me?
• 35:37
  'Cause I don't know where I am." Mm-hmm.
• 35:39
  She knew exactly where she was.
• 35:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:41
  She had Googled that.
• 35:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:42
  That was just another breadcrumb, I guess.
• 35:45
  Or- just thinking ahead or trying to get some documentation that this is gonna happen.
• 35:50
  Don't leave me out here too long.
• 35:52
  I'm gonna do this.
• 35:52
  This is right here, somebody come find me.
• 35:55
  Or I don't know.
• 35:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:56
  We see her going in and out of Dick's Pawn Shop, where, where that had happened.
• 36:03
  We see pictures of the inside of her car where her lunch was just sitting on the front seat.
• 36:08
  Again, you don't do that.
• 36:10
  If you don't think you're gonna eat lunch that day, you're not gonna take a lunch with you.
• 36:13
  Right.
• 36:14
  Everything starts to really blow up.
• 36:16
  It's all over news outlets, social medias..
• 36:18
  The hashtag justice for Myka starts.
• 36:21
  Yes.
• 36:22
  Yes.
• 36:22
  We start to, meet one of the investigators, and he's just thinking that everything might not be okay in this marriage.
• 36:28
  Yeah.
• 36:29
  Well, you know what?
• 36:29
  You're a genius.
• 36:30
  I'm really glad you brought that up.
• 36:32
  So he starts retracing her steps.
• 36:34
  He's like, she went to Dick's.
• 36:36
  She got the gun.
• 36:36
  She drove north to Mullins, and then she went to the state park.
• 36:40
  And he's just like,"This just doesn't feel right.
• 36:42
  It just doesn't feel right." She was found face down with two spent casings and a live round, and her body was found 100 feet away from there.
• 36:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:54
  Now, I'm just saying that's questionable.
• 36:57
  that throws a lot of- Red flags red flags on how did all of that...
• 37:01
  100 feet's not 10 feet.
• 37:02
  Like, that's far.
• 37:04
  Yeah.
• 37:04
  And there was minimal current with the body of water that was right there, so it's not like she got, you know, hung up in a tide or, with rapids or anything like that.
• 37:12
  So this investigator's like,"I want to talk to JP." Mm-hmm.
• 37:16
  So JP's like,"Okay," They show them in the church.
• 37:18
  Yeah.
• 37:19
  Disgusting.
• 37:20
  And he brings this, this binder, and he calls it evidence and gives it to the investigator and, just, spewing his shit, his narrative, just trying to make her- Make her this holy man- Right and she was the devil.
• 37:33
  Right.
• 37:33
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:34
  And we see him on the news station where he's being interviewed.
• 37:37
  I don't even know.
• 37:38
  It was, like, some kind of national news it looked like.
• 37:40
  Yeah.
• 37:40
  Like a, a big news outlet.
• 37:42
  And they're like,"What would you do differently?" And he's like,"Oh, God, that's a great question.
• 37:45
  That's a, that's a re..." Like, he's just,"That's a great question." If somebody asked me that about Brian, I'd be like,"I probably would have taken more vacations." I would have not worked so much and spent some more time with him.
• 37:56
  You know?
• 37:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:57
  His response is,"I would not involve her family." cause they were trying to help her.
• 38:02
  You asshole.
• 38:04
  we do hear that JP was in Charleston when she passed, which was a few hours away.
• 38:08
  He's with a lot of people at this time, and he was very proud to let everybody know where he was, which again, is probably why when he made the announcement at church, he announced that it was in North Carolina.
• 38:19
  'Cause a lot of y'all know I was in South Carolina, right?
• 38:20
  Y'all knew I was in Charleston.
• 38:22
  I couldn't have done it all.
• 38:23
  The interviewer meets with the family, the investigator.
• 38:27
  Lawyer gave everything to the FBI.
• 38:30
  Again, Micah Smart.
• 38:32
  Micah Smart.
• 38:34
  She crossed state lines intentionally, I believe.
• 38:37
  I mean, a lot of people are like,"Why does she go there?" That's the only thing that makes sense to me is that she was trying to do something federally.
• 38:42
  Right.
• 38:42
  So the lawyer is like tying a bow on everything and just handing it over to the FBI.
• 38:49
  She had downloaded 500 sermons that JP had preached that were on their website.
• 38:54
  She was like,"All 500 of them." She downloaded and she gave them all, and then of course, the website, you know, was gone immediately.
• 39:02
  Right.
• 39:03
  So I'm glad she was able to get those.
• 39:04
  So In November,, I guess around November of 2024, they're still trying to get JP out of the house.
• 39:16
  I guess I don't really understand this.
• 39:18
  I don't know why they can't just, like, serve a search warrant and go into his house and, and do the things.
• 39:23
  I don't know.
• 39:24
  Sometimes that's not explained when I watch NCIS how all of that works, or Law Order.
• 39:28
  They asked the counselor, they're like,"Hey, are you in good standing with JP?
• 39:31
  Like, how, what's your relationship?" He's like,"I mean, yeah, I guess.
• 39:34
  Whatever." So she calls JP and she's like,"You remember how you were asking about some documents?" And he's like,"Absolutely." And she's like,"Well," so they kinda use her to lure him out.
• 39:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:44
  And he's like,"Yeah, you wanna meet at Starbies, and I'll, like, meet you there and get the stuff?" And she's like,"Sure." So that happens, and then FBI just swarms the house.
• 39:53
  They found a l- a lot of stuff.
• 39:55
  Don't really know, it wasn't really laid out in this what exactly was found.
• 39:59
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:59
  But we do know that in December of 2025, JP was indicted on three counts of federal, making false statements of cyberstalking and pattern of harassment.
• 40:10
  Mm-hmm He filed not guilty.
• 40:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 40:12
  In 2025 he married Suzy Skinner.
• 40:14
  Ugh.
• 40:15
  Just another update is the church building's for sale.
• 40:18
  Church is still kinda happening.
• 40:19
  They're just meeting in random little small places, about 10 or 15 people.
• 40:23
  Suzy leads the worship.
• 40:26
  I guess government branches in South Carolina, whoever they might be that make the laws.
• 40:30
  I don't remember at this point who that is.
• 40:32
  All I can think is there's a bill on Capitol Hill.
• 40:34
  Do you remember that?
• 40:36
  They're trying to pass something in South Carolina called Micah's Law.
• 40:39
  Right.
• 40:39
  And that's protection against cyberstalking and cohesive control.
• 40:43
  And of course, JP Miller and Suzy refused to be interviewed for any of this- Mm-hmm stuff.
• 40:50
  Okay, so I have a note in here that says that he's, he later began preaching at another congregation- Okay called Mercy Church.
• 40:59
  Okay.
• 41:00
  So he's there to wreak havoc on a whole nother congregation.
• 41:05
  Not wreak havoc.
• 41:05
  It's there to ruin some more people's lives.
• 41:07
  Crazy story yeah, crazy.
• 41:10
  And it's not, yeah, I said crazy story, it's not a story.
• 41:12
  No.
• 41:12
  It's real.
• 41:13
  That really, really, really happened.
• 41:15
  Yeah.
• 41:16
  And- Okay, so I also, going along with this- Mm-hmm Yeah.
• 41:21
  There should not be a one-year waiting period to get freaking divorced.
• 41:24
  Agreed.
• 41:25
  That is complete bullshit.
• 41:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 41:27
  It puts people in danger.
• 41:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 41:29
  I would assume.
• 41:31
  I don't know.
• 41:31
  I'm just making these things up, but, like, I would think that 9 times out of 10, If you're ready to get divorced, there's not gonna be a reconciliation- Yeah in a year.
• 41:40
  Right.
• 41:41
  Right.
• 41:42
  Living- And it's so freaking hard.
• 41:43
  Okay, it's...
• 41:45
  It takes typically two incomes- Yeah to make things work, and if you have to live separate and you're...
• 41:53
  And typically the wife makes less.
• 41:55
  Right.
• 41:57
  And if the wife has to leave and live on her own, and she can't...
• 42:01
  That's, like, Micah was barely getting by, and she was bumming on...
• 42:04
  Well, I say barely getting by.
• 42:05
  I'm assuming.
• 42:05
  She was, she was a waitress or a server or something.
• 42:07
  Right.
• 42:07
  She wasn't...
• 42:08
  She d- And she was bumming couches and stuff.
• 42:10
  She wasn't, flowing in a lot of money.
• 42:11
  I'm glad she had people that were helping her.
• 42:13
  Right.
• 42:14
  But without that, how are you supposed to afford to be able to leave?
• 42:17
  Right.
• 42:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:18
  Even if you have a nest egg and you've saved and you've tried, it just makes it almost impossible.
• 42:25
  Right.
• 42:26
  But then you think about, in an abusive situation- Mm-hmm typically, a lot of times the wife isn't working.
• 42:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:33
  And she has no way- Mm-hmm to get out.
• 42:35
  Well, you hear so many stories of wives, you know, used to be just, like, keeping the grocery change.
• 42:42
  Yeah.
• 42:42
  You know, stuff like that to try to- Buy a gift card while they're grocery shopping.
• 42:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:46
  Um, yeah.
• 42:47
  Different ways to try to have a little bit of money, to have a little bit of something for yourself for an emergency, I guess, or whatever your plans might be, but I agree.
• 42:57
  A year is...
• 42:58
  And a, a year is stupid.
• 43:01
  So dumb.
• 43:03
  It doesn't make sense.
• 43:03
  It's insanity.
• 43:05
  When you get to that point...
• 43:07
  Well, I mean, what are they supposed to...
• 43:08
  When you're living away or for the year, are you supposed to be like,"You know what?
• 43:11
  I really miss living with them"?
• 43:13
  I feel like it would be, you know, it's so much more pleasant with them not around.
• 43:17
  Yeah.
• 43:18
  Or, like, you're struggling and you're like,"I have no choice but to go back." Mm-hmm.
• 43:23
  And you put yourself in...
• 43:25
  Not that they're wanting to, but, if they've been estranged from their family, if they- Mm-hmm I mean, it, there's so many different possibilities- Right how this can go so, so, so wrong.
• 43:32
  So wrong, and you're right.
• 43:34
  They might be like,"Well, you know, I, I don't have...
• 43:36
  I can't afford to do it.
• 43:37
  I, I can't...
• 43:38
  I do have to go back." Yeah.
• 43:40
  So now your person is literally even more angry than before if it, especially if it was an abusive thing- Yeah because you left, and now they're just gonna inflict more torture and pain and coercion and all of those things.
• 43:52
  Right.
• 43:53
  So it just puts you back in an even worse situation, and heaven forbid there's kids involved.
• 43:57
  Yeah.
• 43:58
  Oh.
• 43:59
  South Carolina, North Carolina, you guys laws terrible.
• 44:02
  Terrible.
• 44:02
  Terrible.
• 44:03
  And I also just want to add that if anybody is struggling with any of the things, covered in this, uh, with abuse, there is a website, it's called wannatalkaboutit.com.
• 44:13
  W-A-N-N-A, not like want to, but literally wannatalkaboutit.com.
• 44:17
  So there is resources that, you know, that can help.
• 44:20
  Yeah.
• 44:21
  Well...
• 44:22
  That's heavy.
• 44:23
  Yeah.
• 44:23
  That was heavy.
• 44:24
  Yeah.
• 44:24
  But I'm glad we did it.
• 44:26
  Like I was telling you, it, it meant a lot to me to just- Babies who suck.
• 44:29
  Oh my God.
• 44:30
  Big suck hairy balls.
• 44:31
  No.
• 44:33
  Lee sucks big, fat, hairy balls.
• 44:34
  That's what I meant to say.
• 44:35
  Big, fat, wrinkly, sweaty- Oh hairy balls.
• 44:38
  Not sweaty balls.
• 44:40
  Yeah, all of that.
• 44:41
  All of that.
• 44:41
  Yeah, so, we hope that, you get everything coming to you, and that's really all I have to say.
• 44:46
  Yeah.
• 44:47
  Yeah, karma, I hope she, I hope she comes really fast and really- Have the life you deserve.
• 44:52
  Yes.
• 44:53
  That's the best thing to say.
• 44:54
  Yes.
• 44:54
  But thank y'all for sticking it out.
• 44:56
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• 44:56
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• 44:59
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• 45:07
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