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SKY Castle | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 76 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we've done it.
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  We have come to the final episode of season 5 and I wanted
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  to go out on a banger, so I brought with me my friend Mina
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  from the K Pop Bookshelf podcast.
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  How are you, Mina? I'm well, how are you, I?
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  Am doing so well. I told you that I had a crazy
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  week. I had a crazy day and I did not
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  have enough time to watch this show.
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  But we are here. I have finished Sky Castle and
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  we are going to talk at length about it.
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  I wanted to watch the show for a really long time.
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  As a matter of fact, I had been on the docket for a while and I
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  it kind of fell through on a previous season, but I had told
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  you about it already in admi was like, I'm going to do Sky
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  Castle. And you were thrilled.
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  You were super excited about Sky Castle.
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  And then I felt awful, but it kind of fell through.
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  And so I was like, you know what?
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  I have to bring Mina on for Sky Castle because Mina was like
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  110% on top of this, like she had watched Sky Castle.
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  I have to do this with Mina like there's nobody else.
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  So here we are. Mina, it's been several months
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  since I asked you to do this episode.
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  God, I am stressed. I have to be honest with you,
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  that show, this show is very stressful.
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  Mm. Hmm.
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  Mm hmm. It is not an easy watch.
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  Not an easy watch, not for the faint of heart.
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  So, Mina, Are you ready for this?
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  I'm ready. OK, so I'm going to get us
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  kicked off here with the Wikipedia synopsis.
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  This is the better synopsis that I read that was a lot more
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  general. But I think I wanted to go more
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  general than specific on this one because when people hear
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  maybe the title Sky Castle, I'm not sure people necessarily get
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  what it's about. And if you go with like the
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  names of like so and so's a neurosurgeon and so and so's the
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  wife of the neurosurgeon, like it just doesn't.
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  I don't know if it necessarily hits like just giving you the
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  broad strokes here. It is a satirical series that
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  closely looks at the materialistic desires of upper
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  class parents in South Korea and how they ruthlessly secure the
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  successes of their families at the cost of destroying others
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  lives. The drama revolves around the
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  lives of housewives residing in a luxurious residential area
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  called Sky Castle, which is a reference to the elite
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  universities in suburban Seoul. And those universities are Seoul
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  National University, SNU for short, Korea University and
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  Yonsei University. So those 3 universities make up
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  the acronym SKY. And so Sky Castle is where
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  wealthy doctors and professors live.
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  The wives are determined to make their husbands more successful
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  and to raise their children to be top students who will be
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  accepted at the best universities.
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  So they use every possible way to get that and we they do me in
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  every possible way. This show aired from November
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  2018 to January 2019. It is a winter show.
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  So I guess it's appropriate that we're doing this kind of on the
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  cusp of fall and winter. We're heading into the cooler
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  months. This show is 20 episodes long
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  and it is directed by Johan Pak and he's directed things like
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  The Atypical Family from this year 2024, Snowdrop from
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  2021-2022, and Secret Healer More Than a Maid.
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  Who are you? Have you seen some of these
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  shows from this director Mina? Actually, I don't think so, no.
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  All right. You watched Snowdrop though?
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  I did watch Snowdrop. Boy did I watch Snowdrop.
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  There is a whole episode on Snowdrop that we did.
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  If you want to scroll back in your podcast feed and listen to
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  that, you can. It was a ride, not a good one it
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  was, but it was a ride. And then Sky Castle was written
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  by Yu Hyung NI. She also wrote Snowdrop, so they
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  are frequent collaborators. She also wrote Golden Cross
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  Bridal mask Home Sweet Homes Scales of Providence Want to
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  love Again Green Rose. Basically she's been writing
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  since the mid 2000s and then this show stars.
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  This is a. So many people, particularly
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  large cast so. I'm not going to go through
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  every single person in this cast.
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  I'm just going to go through the mothers and the coordinator, if
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  that makes any sense. OK, yes, yes, yes.
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  I won't talk at length about what else they've been in, but I
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  will say like who they are and who their character name is.
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  So Yun Seiya plays no Sunghei and she has like the Bob haircut
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  and she's she's married to the lawyer or the law professor.
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  And then we have Yum Zhonga. She plays Han Sojin.
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  She's like the main mom with the Pixie cut.
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  And she's married to, like, an orthopedic surgeon.
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  And then we have Iteran, who plays Issuim, and she's a
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  children's book writer. And she moves into the Sky
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  Castle neighbourhood with her husband, Tae Wyong, who plays
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  the character Huang Teeong or Doctor Huang.
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  And then we have on that, who plays Jenny.
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  And she's also married to a doctor.
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  She kind of has her hair swept to the side.
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  She has long, flowing locks. Yeah, she's great.
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  And then we have Kim so Hyung, who plays Kim Joo Hyung, who is
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  the college entrance coordinator.
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  She has, like, the severe look about her.
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  I mean, they all look pretty severe and fierce.
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  No nonsense. But she has like a short haircut
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  that sort of swept back in the show.
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  She kind of has a bun. Yeah, in the show, it's a bun.
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  But in all the promos, she doesn't have the bun.
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  So I think it was a good choice not to sell it with the bun, to
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  be quite honest with you. So those are all of the, this is
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  a female fronted female lead show for the most part, You
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  know, you have their husbands, you have their sons in there and
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  of course, their daughters, their children.
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  But for the most part, it is, you know, the mothers that are
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  taking center stage in this story, and that's our cast.
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  I'm not going to go through everybody.
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  There's just so many people in this show.
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  So Mina, what what draws you to Sky Castle?
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  Why do you love Sky Castle so much that you've rewatched it
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  multiple times? Yeah, well, I like that.
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  It's not heavy on like romance stuff, which is OK, but like,
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  sometimes I don't want to watch that anymore.
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  You know, you can only watch that for so long.
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  And although it's about wealthy families and there's like a
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  class thing, which a lot of dramas has, it's presented in a
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  really different way. I think with a lot going on with
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  the back story, some of the characters and the introduction
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  of new characters and family dynamics, power dynamics, what's
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  going on at work, the this air of prestige, this, this
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  appearances of success and how that drives people basically
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  almost crazy, if not actually crazy.
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  So I just thought it had so many layers.
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  And also my family is from Bangladesh.
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  I'm I was born here. But so the whole like do well in
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  school thing really rested. But to me, I mean, not to this
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  extent, thankfully, but you know, yeah, I really like the
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  show. Yeah, As a former academic
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  overachiever, there was something really visceral about
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  this show that I connected with. And I think that we're on the
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  same wavelength about having, you know, an ethnic fan coming
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  from an ethnic background. Like you're not necessarily
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  driven to such extremes hopefully, but you know you are
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  expected to do well in school. It's also the expectation of
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  upward mobility. It's like you gotta do better
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  than your parents or, you know, you gotta do better than the kid
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  next door or whatever. Like there's a lot of
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  competition built into some immigrant experiences, I think,
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  or families of immigrants experiences.
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  Absolutely, Absolutely. At least in the US.
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  Well, yeah, at least in the US. Exactly.
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  Yeah. So this is my first time
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  watching Sky Castle. And what did you think?
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  Lord have mercy. I so I didn't expect anything.
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  Like, I didn't know really anything about it.
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  I love walking into shows blind, especially when they're podcast
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  watches. And I have heard good things
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  like through the Grapevine that it's, you know, it's a very
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  highly rated show and highly recommended.
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  And I love that the poster was like all women.
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  And for some reason, I was like, yeah, I need another like,
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  search www.show where I can like, sink my teeth into it.
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  And I had no idea about what it was about, that it was about the
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  education system in Korea and how flawed it is and how crazy
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  it makes the families, especially in this pressure
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  cooker situation of these elite families.
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  So Stan, this was a good joke. I fucking loved it.
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  It was amazing. I was worried you might not.
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  No good. No, it was so good.
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  It was very heavy, is very intense, very angsty.
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  I think what was cool about it was that you kind of at least
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  me, how I watch a show is you kind of start rooting for
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  characters from the get go. You start reading characters,
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  you're watching their every move and you're analyzing them, and
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  you're like, OK, I'm totally on their side because XYZ and the
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  other. But in this case, by the end of
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  episode 1, the only thing that I knew was that there was going to
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  be more feral murder happening. Like that was my, my, my
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  prediction was they're going to start killing each other.
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  Like it's going to get worse, way worse than it already is,
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  and that's not really. Much ugly it's gonna get so.
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  Fucking ugly was my assumption, and my assumption was absolutely
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  correct, and that wasn't much of an assumption.
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  This is very much in a mock Jong esque.
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  Style. I know that's not your favorite
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  style. But it's not my favorite style.
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  But I fucking ate this shit up. It was so good.
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  I. That's what I mean, yeah.
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  Like it has Mok Jung, yes, kind of vibes.
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  But then there's it's more intellectual, Yeah.
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  It's more like cerebral, yes. Exactly.
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  Exactly. So it wasn't kind of look lower
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  class or like baser, low brow, low brow, kind of like Mok Jung.
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  There wasn't a lot of like food slinging and stuff.
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  But it was good. Like it was juicy.
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  It was intense. And I loved the energy of it.
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  And I love the steaks that they just kept getting higher.
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  And I loved that the characters that I thought were that I was
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  rooting for and that I thought had a lot of grit.
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  And I was like, OK, I understand where they're coming from.
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  I totally want them to succeed. They turned out to be totally
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  unhinged. Like I was like, is there
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  increasingly it gets increasingly more unhinged.
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  But not in a way that you're like, I can't watch this
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  anymore. No no no definitely not.
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  I was like actually I need a press plate right now and it's
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  3:00 AM. All in all, really solid show,
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  one that I would wholeheartedly recommend to people, even if
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  you're more of a romance girly. I think that there's a lot of
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  social commentary. As I said in the Wikipedia
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  synopsis, it's satirical. So it's going to make a comment,
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  it's going to say something. I love that about it.
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  I I thought it, I thought it nailed everything that it was
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  trying to do. Yes, I think the acting was
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  crazy, incredible, So good. Everybody acted their asses off.
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  The kids, everybody, everybody. Everybody.
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  The kids, the adults, everybody, and there was quite a lot of
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  comedic relief, especially like a certain family in particular
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  was very funny and there was a lot of comedic relief.
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  Moments are out, which sort of broke the tension.
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  Yeah. That helped you kind of get
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  through some of those heavier episodes.
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  I mean, even if they weren't there, I think it would have
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  still been a really compelling watch.
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  Yeah, I mean, it would have been like a really straight drama
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  without so many Comic Relief moments.
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  You'd still be really good and solid drama.
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  Yeah, this is straight crazy though.
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  Like this is crazy through the vein.
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  So if that's not your, if that's not your bag, don't watch it if.
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  You don't want to be stressed out if you don't want your blood
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  pressure raised, maybe. Don't.
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  Yeah, because it's going to infuriate you.
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  Honestly, if it will infuriate you, it will make you really
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  angry in a lot of instances. If you're not into that, if you
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  want all the warm and fuzzies, babes, this is not the show for
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  you. This is not the show for you at
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  all, I think. This show at the time of airing,
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  became the highest rated series in Korean cable television
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  history. It received positive reviews
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  across the board, won multiple awards, including four Pick Song
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  Awards, the Director One of X Song Award, and currently, Sky
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  Castle is the fourth highest Korean drama in cable television
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  history. And I think you might be
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  wondering, like, what are the what's the top ten?
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  Maybe what's the top five? I have them here for you.
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  So the top five, I'll give you the top 10 #10 is extraordinary
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  Attorney Wu #9 is Mr. Sunshine. Coincidentally, Mina is on both
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  of those episodes. Yeah, I don't know how that has.
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  Nothing but the best. Mina is on both of those podcast
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  reviews for Extraordinary, Tony Wu and Mr. Sunshine.
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  So if you want to hear my thoughts and Mina's thoughts on
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  those two top rated K dramas, scroll back in your podcast feed
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  #8 Doctor cha #7, Guardian, The Lonely and Grey God also got an
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  episode on that 6. Reply 1988 Five crash landing on
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  you. Of course we covered that on
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  season 1 of Tabak #4 just said with Sky castle #3 Queen of
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  Tears just happened this year, unseated Sky Castle this year #2
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  is reborn rich and then number one is the world of the married
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  I. Still need to watch?
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  Yeah, so do I. So do I.
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  Maybe we'll reunite for World of the Married.
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  Top rated K drama on cable. Yes, the top rated K drama.
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  All right, so I have here. Culture critic Dong Da Kyung
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  says the drama has received attention from viewers because
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  it successfully strikes an uneasy chord while heightening
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  viewers as curiosity over the lengths to which rich elite
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  families obsess over education. He also says, and I quote, in
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  terms of education, the drama satisfies people's desire to
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  peek into what those closed rich family circles do for their
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  children. But at the same time, viewers
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  feel uneasiness when watching their stories.
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  Those two conflicting emotions, wanting to know but feeling
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  uncomfortable makes for some interesting chemistry in the
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  minds of drama fans and puts it on the must see drama list.
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  So there is some truth to the fiction is what we're trying to
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  say here, that a lot of people see this hyper competitive
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  education system in the pressure to enter a prestigious
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  university as being part and parcel of the real Korean
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  society experience. They're actually making a
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  Japanese version of this show, I don't know if.
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  You saw, yes, they're making a remake in Japanese, and I think
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  there's a sequel, actually. And I can't remember what the
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  sequel to Sky Castle is called. Really.
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  Yeah, there's this. I saw it on my drama list that
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  it was like labeled as a sequel and I was like, the hell.
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  Anyway, So this, this definitely triggered a lot of people.
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  I think it tapped into something that was already in the
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  zeitgeist, already in people's minds, because whoever has a
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  child in Korea, whoever has a high school student in Korea is
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  going through this process and trying to, you know, forge a
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  path here because everybody is pretty much excellent.
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  And that's the problem. How do you distinguish yourself
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  from everybody else who's excellent?
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  And that's when this hyper competitive nature really rears
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  its ugly head. And not that the US system isn't
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  competitive, but geez, not not like this.
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  Thankfully. Thankfully, and we've had
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  scandals of our own. Geez, do you remember that
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  scandal with the Full House lady?
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  Aunt Becky? Oh my God, when Aunt Becky, she
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  went. To jail she oh.
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  No, you're right. She went to jail for did she?
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  Buy her sleep buying a Yeah, like her child's place at I
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  think USC. Yeah, Southern California, if
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  I'm not mistaken. Yeah, but there was like this
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  whole thing of at least in Southern California of rich
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  people staging like that. My kids on the water polo team,
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  though, they don't even know how to swim and like lying and
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  basically on applications, paying someone like a
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  coordinator to fix basically an application such that they'd be
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  more likely to get chosen to go. And what was interesting, not
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  that University of Southern California is a bad school or
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  anything, but it was like just kind of random schools that the
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  people who went to jail for it wasn't necessarily like Harvard
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  or something it. Wasn't even the Ivy.
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  Yeah, it was sort of weird that like, oh, is it that serious to
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  go to USC? But yeah, I guess it is.
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  So yeah, Becky went to jail from Full House.
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  Yeah, and I think her daughter's an influencer.
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  So it all worked out. I guess It all worked out.
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  Her destiny came true. We don't mean to laugh, but like
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  you have to laugh to keep from crying sometimes.
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  I guess because it's just wild. It's wild out here, so it's not
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  like it doesn't happen over here.
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  The craziness and the pressure to do well.
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  That there's funnel schools for the Ivy's.
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  I think that this show reminded me heavily of Dead Poets
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  Society, which is one of my favorite movies.
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  How? Dead poets.
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  Society. Well I just I'm thinking of the
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  teacher student. Relationship.
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  No, no. I was like, that's not it.
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  No, no, no. It's really.
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  My captain? No.
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  It's really Neil's relationship with his father that is the crux
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  of the whole movie in the third act that reminded me heavily of,
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  you know, this, this show and also the broader message of
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  don't conform, forge your own path and all all of that good
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  stuff that, oh, captain, my captain, Mr. Keating taught us
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  in Dead Poets Society, these sort of values.
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  And as a matter of fact, the show Sky Castle invokes, it
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  invokes Dead Poets Society. That's right.
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  At the end, we had like one of the final episodes.
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  They're like, do you remember when we were kids and we watched
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  Dead Poets Society and we said all this stuff and we weren't
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  going to do this? And I was like, oh, so I wasn't
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  crazy. Like they were actually calling
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  attention to it. Yeah.
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  So anyway, I and I like that about the show, that it's almost
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  like media is reconciling with these ills in society in a
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  delayed way because this isn't new.
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  Like this problem that they've had.
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  It has been covered in other K dramas.
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  It's been covered in other movies and obviously in the
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  news, different craziness happening, but this show was
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  simply addicting to watch. And it's like watching like Real
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  Housewives at the same time, like, there's a lot of like
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  cattiness happening between the the moms.
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  Oh, but the cattiness of the dads, oh, that was, that was
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  crazy. That too.
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  Like it's like a medical drama. Real Housewives.
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  Dead Poets Society, a school drama, like all mixed in one.
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  Then it becomes kind of like a murder mystery like in the last
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  half of the show. It is honestly a lot of things.
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  It touches on a lot of genres, micro genres as well, and that
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  is pretty fun and unique about it.
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  That keeps you interested in coming back for more.
• 23:08
  Obviously. I think the way that it was shot
• 23:10
  as well was particularly good. I think it the cinematography of
• 23:15
  it, they would have shots of the camera would be inside the car
• 23:20
  and then someone would get out of the car and they would follow
• 23:24
  the person, but they would pull the camera through the car
• 23:26
  window and like keep walking with the person.
• 23:30
  And I'm like, Oh my God, I can't.
• 23:33
  These sort of things are technically cool to do.
• 23:37
  And so they were doing a lot of that, a lot of close up shots of
• 23:40
  hands and feet of characters, so many showing hesitation,
• 23:45
  resolve, anguish, nervousness, restraint, control, characters
• 23:50
  straightening objects like in their vicinity, like a towel on
• 23:53
  a rack or a phone on a table. And these things just playing up
• 23:59
  their characterization and parts of themselves which they want to
• 24:03
  display, right? They want to show, oh, this
• 24:06
  person is in control of their surroundings.
• 24:09
  They're a controlling person. They want to have everything
• 24:14
  their way. So I love those close up shots.
• 24:17
  I love those cool handhelds that they were chewing from the car
• 24:21
  through the window and like onward walking with the subject.
• 24:26
  It was cool and a lot of shaky Cam that they were doing, like a
• 24:31
  lot of shaky Cam. I really like to the wardrobe
• 24:36
  and sets because you kind of got and we get we'll get into more
• 24:39
  later. But like going from a place like
• 24:40
  people's mansions in this like Stony neighborhood.
• 24:43
  You know, very Or Tony not Yeah. Mediterranean.
• 24:46
  Kind of. Looking and yeah, yeah, it was
• 24:48
  just which by the way, there is really, I mean, this is at the
• 24:50
  time the drama came out, there were articles about how there
• 24:53
  really is a sky castle. Ask a neighborhood in Seoul
• 24:57
  somewhere or like in a suburb of and yeah, I'm literally not
• 25:01
  surprised. No, right.
• 25:03
  It's not surprising. The juxtaposition, though, of
• 25:05
  like going from a Tony neighborhood in these mansions
• 25:07
  and whatever to kids going to the like below their Kuman
• 25:12
  Khagwan Academy convenience store, you know, and like
• 25:16
  mingling with the people. Yeah.
• 25:19
  For like, it was very interesting that in like these,
• 25:22
  the decor of like the very stringent households and the
• 25:24
  very kind of stark design, interior design.
• 25:28
  And then the ones that are a little more homey and the
• 25:30
  because lady had like house, other lady had house plans.
• 25:32
  And then the wardrobe too, Like I was saying the the clothes,
• 25:36
  the elegant wives wear and then the doctors, you know, walking
• 25:40
  around in their lab coats and stuff.
• 25:42
  And but then, you know, sometimes kids are just wanting
• 25:44
  to be kids, but some of the kids are wearing super kind of stuffy
• 25:47
  pitch looking pajamas and like you can tell these are like rich
• 25:49
  people. So I found the wardrobe too to
• 25:53
  be and setting to be very interesting as well.
• 25:55
  Yeah, yeah, all of it just made for a very elite not to use
• 26:01
  Elite again, but like it wasn't an Elite drama.
• 26:04
  I I felt that it totally deserved that number four spot
• 26:08
  or the top ten spot. It was, it was great.
• 26:11
  I thought, I thought everybody hype it up, hype it up as much
• 26:14
  as you want. It's amazing.
• 26:17
  Yes. Is there a character that you
• 26:19
  really connected with? Oh, yeah.
• 26:23
  OK. Wait.
• 26:24
  So many because you had. Hold on.
• 26:27
  I'm going to make sure I get the names right.
• 26:29
  So first of all, would have to be the mom who moves in New mom
• 26:34
  in town, East Suim. She's a children's book author,
• 26:37
  and she kind of does not belong there, really.
• 26:40
  But she's there because her husband's a doctor and he
• 26:42
  basically takes a position over because someone else becomes
• 26:46
  indisposed, actually and. Yeah, we can't spoil that much,
• 26:51
  but yeah. Yeah, they have to leave the
• 26:53
  neighborhood is all I'm saying. And so anyways, so they can move
• 26:56
  in, new family moves in. And then she's basically like
• 26:59
  kind of our eyes and ears in a way, like us, the viewer, unless
• 27:03
  you are a Sky Castle resident in real life, because she is the
• 27:08
  one seeing it as an outsider at first.
• 27:09
  And then she kind of though, you know, gets involved in some of
• 27:12
  this a little bit. And then henna, the child henna,
• 27:16
  the student henna. I really was, I, I don't know
• 27:20
  why I felt like I identified with her.
• 27:21
  I think because she as a student had this sense of like justice
• 27:26
  or like self righteousness, both, I guess.
• 27:29
  And I don't know, I think when you were some of us when we were
• 27:32
  teenagers, especially if you weren't super rich, like a
• 27:36
  little bit like have those moments or whatever where like
• 27:38
  this whole system sucks. Like, you know, So yeah, how
• 27:42
  about you? I really loved Hannah because
• 27:45
  she was really bombastic and fierce.
• 27:48
  She was not afraid of the grown-ups.
• 27:52
  She was not afraid to face off against the adults.
• 27:54
  There were many points that she would be threatening or
• 27:58
  condescending or rude to them, and rightfully so, you know,
• 28:02
  rightfully so. You're kind of like, yeah, stick
• 28:05
  it to them. She never backed down and she
• 28:09
  always just wanted what was best for her.
• 28:12
  Within the confines of what is righteous, you know, what is
• 28:18
  right for and fair for everybody in this school, for every
• 28:22
  student. I liked that she was kind of
• 28:25
  this a little. Bit of well, she wasn't above a
• 28:28
  little bit of blackmail. Exactly.
• 28:31
  I was like, she was playing dirty and I was, I was about to
• 28:33
  say that she was like playing dirty.
• 28:36
  And The thing is, she was beating them at their own game.
• 28:40
  Yeah, she's one upping them like in every turn, and it's kind of
• 28:43
  awesome to see that. Exactly.
• 28:45
  So I loved her. I loved her so much.
• 28:48
  And then I got to be honest, I loved our Bob cut girl, Sunghe,
• 28:54
  who was married to the lawyer. So she was also one of my
• 28:59
  favorites because I thought that she had a resilience that some
• 29:04
  of the other moms didn't express.
• 29:07
  And you could tell that she was very intelligent and she was
• 29:13
  very educated, and she felt deeply for the struggle of her
• 29:20
  children. And she was fighting the
• 29:23
  patriarchy. It was almost like she was
• 29:24
  fighting the patriarchy within her own home before fighting the
• 29:29
  larger system that were at play in like the society at large,
• 29:35
  because she was basically living with the tyrant.
• 29:39
  Pyramid Dad. Yeah, Yeah, My, my cousins, I
• 29:42
  watch this together. We called him Pyramid Dad.
• 29:43
  It is. We still call him that.
• 29:44
  He's in other dramas. And you're like Pyramid Dad.
• 29:46
  It's pyramid drama. No, no, no, I agree completely.
• 29:49
  He's pyramid dad and he's utterly ridiculous.
• 29:53
  Like you can't take him seriously, but he is very
• 29:57
  intimidating at at a lot of junctures in the story and and
• 30:01
  in their family story in particular.
• 30:04
  And I felt incredibly, you know, sympathetic and empathetic Tour
• 30:08
  Tung Hei as a mother, you know, because she's trying to do right
• 30:13
  by her kid. She's not trying to break up the
• 30:14
  family. She's trying to play the
• 30:17
  peacemaker, humble herself all the time.
• 30:21
  But she is clearly smarter than her husband.
• 30:24
  So, like, she's trying to play within his arbitrary patriarchal
• 30:30
  rules. And he demands respect.
• 30:33
  He wants this. He wants to be the breadwinner,
• 30:35
  He has control of the family finances, and she's like working
• 30:39
  within all of this shit. That's like working against her.
• 30:44
  And so I just thought that she had a great story, a great arc,
• 30:49
  and I love how she handles her biz by the end of the show.
• 30:53
  She's such an advocate for her kids, which some of the other
• 30:56
  moms are not in the same way that she is.
• 30:59
  Yeah. Yeah, and I thought that she had
• 31:01
  a better relationship with her children from jump like from day
• 31:05
  one, her and her children were on the same page.
• 31:10
  They, you know, understood each other.
• 31:12
  There was a, a bond there that they didn't share with their
• 31:15
  father because he was constantly cracking the whip and constantly
• 31:21
  telling them to study. And and it was a a very
• 31:24
  fractured relationship or one that was never built between him
• 31:29
  and his children. So she put in the I don't want
• 31:33
  to say work because it's I don't want to consider it work.
• 31:35
  But she loved on her kids and they loved her back.
• 31:39
  Like it was very simple and it always was that simple, you
• 31:44
  know, like he didn't get it, Like the dad just didn't get it.
• 31:46
  So anyway. Well, he just like commanded and
• 31:49
  demanded respect and she and like saw it as a more reciprocal
• 31:53
  relationship, like the one with her kids.
• 31:54
  I mean, that relationship is reciprocal.
• 31:56
  It's not like I gave birth to you, so you must respect me or I
• 31:58
  gave birth to you and you must, you know, do this.
• 32:00
  On the other, she was more like, oh, they're humans, yeah.
• 32:04
  And they have feelings and rights and this and that too.
• 32:07
  So, you know, I, I think she was just more humanistic.
• 32:12
  I don't know if that's right. The word like compared to some
• 32:14
  of the other, the way some of their moms ran their households
• 32:17
  or, you know, the she definitely had a more built a rapport, saw
• 32:22
  them as people consider their feelings and not only status,
• 32:25
  grades, tests, you know, exactly what people think.
• 32:29
  So. I loved her, loved her
• 32:30
  character. I was going to refer to
• 32:33
  Snowdrop, but you haven't watched the Snowdrop yet because
• 32:36
  Kim Hei Yin plays Yeso, who is one of the students.
• 32:40
  She is our Pixie cut lady's daughter and she is like at the
• 32:45
  centre of everything, right Yeso?
• 32:49
  I was convinced I wasn't going to like forgive Yeso by the end
• 32:53
  of the show. I know.
• 32:57
  Because I got to be honest, this actress in Snowdrop, I have not
• 33:02
  forgiven her for what she did in Snowdrop.
• 33:05
  OK. This is a lot of like the energy
• 33:09
  and the shit she was giving in Snowdrop.
• 33:11
  So I was like, yeah, I know who you really are, Kim.
• 33:15
  Hey, Yoon. Everybody knows her from Lovely
• 33:18
  Runner this year and they have fallen head over heels for her
• 33:21
  this year if they hadn't watched her in anything else.
• 33:24
  Honestly, she's a 2 faced bitch. I I'm sorry, like I know that
• 33:29
  she's an actress but it, it was too real.
• 33:32
  It was too, too good. She did too good of a job and
• 33:35
  Snowdrop too good of a job in Sky Castle.
• 33:38
  But she's a little more redeemable towards the end of
• 33:40
  Sky. Castle exactly.
• 33:41
  By the end of Sky Castle I was like, oh thank God.
• 33:45
  I thought her the girl who played her little sister EG one
• 33:48
  who played Kanye. Ben was incredible as an
• 33:52
  actress. So good and like giving major
• 33:55
  little sister vibes, neglected child vibes, not the favorite
• 33:59
  vibes so well. And then her bond with Henna
• 34:02
  also believable compared to like, you know, the way she's
• 34:05
  really into the other characters was so good, I thought.
• 34:08
  And even like with the book mom and like showing moments of
• 34:12
  vulnerability with some people or like whatever.
• 34:14
  I just thought she was so good and I wish she would get give
• 34:17
  her something, give her an award.
• 34:18
  Give her an award, yeah. Is there anything else you want
• 34:23
  to say about Sky Castle that isn't spoiler?
• 34:25
  We have literally not really spoiled.
• 34:28
  I know there are some like major things that we're just
• 34:32
  sidestepping. Well, I wanna just mention just
• 34:35
  for the listeners in case anyone doesn't know like a little bit
• 34:38
  as far as what I know from what I've read, which take it with a
• 34:40
  grain of salt because I don't know everything, I'm not Korean,
• 34:42
  but like it. Korea is one of the countries
• 34:44
  where it's like if you don't do well in the CSATS, as they call
• 34:47
  it there and similar to our Sats, but their Csats college
• 34:51
  scholastic aptitude test or whatever, it's so it's so
• 34:54
  serious that like they can't fly planes overhead during the exam.
• 35:00
  Like they reroute planes so that they won't fly over schools.
• 35:03
  They are there's like certain songs that are like banned or
• 35:06
  something. And I don't really understand
• 35:08
  that, but I think it's because like become like ear worms.
• 35:10
  So when you're in the test and you're freaking out and you're
• 35:12
  like, what is, you know, this math, like what's the quadratic
• 35:14
  formula? And in your head you're like
• 35:16
  ring Ding Dong, ring Ding Dong. That was that was a bad song.
• 35:20
  So, so anyway, but it's so serious 'cause it's 1 of this
• 35:24
  country. Yeah, no, I could see myself
• 35:26
  doing that in that situation. Like I'd be like, I have to do
• 35:29
  something important. But your head is doing like, you
• 35:30
  know, some song. Anyways, they it, it's one of
• 35:34
  those countries where if you this is a make it or break it
• 35:36
  test. So if you don't do well, your
• 35:39
  life is kind of over. And actually, especially during
• 35:42
  the economic Asian economic crisis in like the late 90s,
• 35:44
  from what I've read and heard, not an expert, a lot of people
• 35:48
  became like idols because they're like either like,
• 35:51
  listen, I'm not not super scholarly, I'm not super
• 35:53
  academic, but I'm pretty. It's not really my thing.
• 35:56
  Yeah. Or like I can become pretty.
• 35:57
  Plastic surgery is a big thing in South Korea.
• 36:01
  You know, you can become, yeah, you can become pretty.
• 36:04
  You can learn how to dance a little and sing a little.
• 36:07
  And so a lot of people just went to, you know, if they weren't
• 36:10
  from Seoul, maybe went up there to like audition, try to become
• 36:13
  famous instead, because this is such a because if you don't do
• 36:16
  on the CSAT, from what I understand, your, you won't get
• 36:20
  into a sky school, the Seoul University, Korean National
• 36:24
  University and Yonsei, which is kind of the goal.
• 36:27
  Everyone like here, it's nice to get into Ivy League, but like
• 36:30
  your life goes on if you don't. But there it's like no like to
• 36:34
  for some people. No, it doesn't like not enough
• 36:36
  because there's a status association.
• 36:38
  And then not only that, you have to become either like a doctor
• 36:41
  or dentist or lawyer or something.
• 36:43
  I think are, and again, my family's from Bangladesh, so
• 36:45
  they're saying same kind of thing where like certain
• 36:47
  professions are seen as way more prestigious and other
• 36:49
  professions are not worth it. And so like even my parents were
• 36:53
  like, no, you can't major in music because that's ridiculous.
• 36:57
  So, but I didn't become one of those things, the doctor lawyer
• 37:00
  thing. But yeah, so so that's kind of
• 37:04
  kind of the background or back story to the premise of this
• 37:08
  drama. And so because of that, there is
• 37:10
  a lot of lengths people will go to to succeed.
• 37:12
  And we have that a little bit here, the Kuman, aforementioned
• 37:15
  Kuman that we also have in the US or like whatever kind of
• 37:17
  types of schools or SAT prep books and classes and MCAT,
• 37:22
  LSAT, all that stuff that standardized tests, we have to
• 37:24
  get into higher education and higher fields of study.
• 37:28
  There's a lot of people who if you can afford that, you have a
• 37:31
  one up up, right. So if you magnify that by like a
• 37:34
  gajillion, that's what sky Castle is.
• 37:36
  These people have the means to like pay for someone to
• 37:39
  basically like almost guarantee that your their kid is going to
• 37:43
  get into Seoul National University Medical school in
• 37:45
  this case, so. Yeah, SNU Med School is what you
• 37:51
  would read on the subtitles, but that's Seoul National University
• 37:53
  Med School. And absolutely they are paying
• 37:59
  for a coach to come in and not only one-on-one teach their
• 38:04
  child and tutor their child, but they have a whole team of people
• 38:10
  behind them that are specializing in different
• 38:13
  subjects and are also helping them and coaching them, teaching
• 38:18
  them their subjects. You know, I think there was a
• 38:21
  big emphasis in the show of teaching to the tests.
• 38:24
  Well, because the end goal here is not like you're because think
• 38:27
  of the schools used are sorry, subjects you study in high
• 38:29
  school in this like we study English, in their case Korean,
• 38:33
  or they may also study English as like a foreign language.
• 38:35
  So it's like how we may study whatever language and those are
• 38:38
  like important skills. But if you're going to go to Med
• 38:40
  school, how much are you really going to need, let's say, Latin,
• 38:44
  German, whatever you may not, you're right.
• 38:46
  So, so even though you need, but you need to do well on the test,
• 38:48
  if that's part of your, of the Csats or whatever.
• 38:50
  So then you need to hire a tutor to like.
• 38:53
  So you just nail that part of the test so that you go to Seoul
• 38:55
  National University medical School, become a famous surgeon.
• 38:58
  Your family can like, you know, live, bask in your glory and
• 39:02
  you've honored them and all those kind of yeah.
• 39:03
  So I think that's why like the the goals goal is not like
• 39:07
  academic aptitude actually. It's just like nail this test
• 39:11
  and get a gleaming application. And applications even for jobs
• 39:15
  in Korea, there's a lot of personal information.
• 39:17
  It's like a whole packet. And so as far as I know.
• 39:20
  So like, like for example, people's photos go on their job
• 39:24
  application. I have done episodes in my
• 39:26
  podcast in the past where I talked about how mental health
• 39:29
  and psychology and counseling, These are things that some
• 39:32
  people in Korea up until recently or even maybe still now
• 39:35
  are reticent to seek that kind of medical care because they
• 39:38
  feel like it will end up on their record somewhere that
• 39:41
  their future employers could go into or potential employers can
• 39:44
  go into and see like, oh, you've been in therapy, so I'm not
• 39:46
  going to hire you, that kind of thing.
• 39:48
  So there's like a lot riding, like everything rides on all
• 39:51
  this stuff. And then the rest of your life
• 39:53
  is shaped and formed by your high school experience.
• 39:56
  And so that's why in these, for these elite families, it's like
• 39:58
  maintaining the status because you don't want like that one day
• 40:01
  that's big in this story is like 3 generations of doctors who
• 40:04
  went to Seoul National University or my child was the
• 40:05
  number one student in all of Korea when his graduating class.
• 40:09
  These are big deals and you don't want your child to fall
• 40:12
  behind now because now precedence has been set by that
• 40:14
  your ancestors or your, your relatives, whatever.
• 40:17
  And so it's like you have to keep up the whole for your whole
• 40:20
  family. So you're bearing the burden for
• 40:21
  your whole family. And that's a little difficult
• 40:24
  for, I think some people who didn't grow up anywhere near
• 40:30
  that level of competition and pressure and family prestige.
• 40:38
  I I mean, it was difficult for me to even understand.
• 40:41
  I was like, I don't get it. Like half the time they're like,
• 40:45
  we need a third generation, third generation of doctors,
• 40:48
  like that third generation of doctors.
• 40:50
  And I was like, what the fuck you talking about?
• 40:52
  Like you have two generations. Like that's amazing as it is.
• 40:55
  Like, can't you just like take it and leave?
• 40:57
  Like you, you need a third generation for real.
• 41:01
  Like it's crazy. It all reflects back on the mob,
• 41:05
  like it's at least from when you watch Sky Castle, you get this
• 41:07
  idea of like whatever success your child has is a reflection
• 41:10
  of you. And that's why the moms are so
• 41:12
  kind of bat shit crazy about everything because they they're
• 41:15
  like, it's a competition about how good of a mom are you not
• 41:18
  good enough? If your, if your child fails,
• 41:20
  it's on you, even though you're not the one who went and took
• 41:22
  the test. And but that's why they bend
• 41:25
  over backwards to make them succeed at like any cost.
• 41:27
  Almost so. Right.
• 41:29
  You touched on something that about the moms is that the
• 41:34
  husbands and the even the pro coach that they hire in the show
• 41:40
  expect all of the mothers to be stay at home moms and be a slave
• 41:46
  to their children's education and success, not work.
• 41:49
  Oregon have a career and if they do have a job it's seen as a
• 41:54
  faux pas. Like it's the child's success
• 41:56
  will be in jeopardy because they don't have this slave labor
• 42:01
  picking them up, taking them to school or to the Hawk 1,
• 42:04
  advocating for them, researching how best to achieve their goals,
• 42:07
  making nutritious food for them, constantly being on their ass
• 42:11
  about studying. And that whole concept of this
• 42:17
  gender norm was very intriguing to me.
• 42:21
  I think I will say this just based on how much Korean news I
• 42:24
  watch, I think the reality for most Korean people is that both
• 42:27
  parents work. But the issue here is they're
• 42:29
  they're living in Sky Castle. So this is like an added layer
• 42:33
  of like this is maybe not every Korean person's experience or
• 42:35
  like your mom stays at home. It makes you, you know,
• 42:37
  nutritionally adequate all the time.
• 42:39
  Whatever it's it's more and like the correct humidity of your
• 42:42
  room for studying and ample lighting, blah, blah.
• 42:45
  But that is what's happening in Sky Castle because it's a very
• 42:47
  exaggerated version of it's a pressure that many Koreans.
• 42:50
  Yeah, it's satirical exactly. But there is really AI mean.
• 42:53
  Who knows what goes on there. There really is.
• 42:54
  Or our neighborhoods that are similar to this, where it's like
• 42:57
  successful people all living together in this compound.
• 43:01
  It is a. Compound it is, but the point of
• 43:04
  it, I think here is like, this is such an exaggerated version.
• 43:07
  And that's why maybe some people who are Korean probably did
• 43:10
  identify with it because they maybe had some level of like of
• 43:13
  this intensity, but not to this extent.
• 43:15
  This is just like, crazy over the top version because they're
• 43:17
  trying to also maintain their status.
• 43:19
  We live. If you live in Sky Castle and
• 43:21
  your kid doesn't go to a sky school, then what's the point?
• 43:23
  You know? So yeah.
• 43:25
  Exactly. So I really thought that that
• 43:28
  was interesting about the moms and how it might be a little
• 43:32
  outmoded like by today's standards to have to expect a
• 43:36
  woman to quit her job when she gets married or when she's
• 43:40
  pregnant to stay home with the child.
• 43:42
  Especially because of the cost of living in Korea and how you
• 43:46
  need a dual income to just subsist and all this stuff.
• 43:50
  And even to raise a child, how expensive it is, you need the
• 43:53
  dual income. But I mean, I think the gender
• 43:57
  norm is changing out of necess, out of economic necessity.
• 44:00
  I think it is and it isn't because a lot of the articles I
• 44:03
  read both about Japan, there were a lot of articles a few
• 44:06
  years ago. So I'm an elder millennial.
• 44:08
  And if I had talked about the book Kim Jong born 1982.
• 44:11
  And so that's about a kind of generic Korean elder millennial
• 44:14
  who was sold this thing. This is the first generation of
• 44:16
  girls and boys, but girls and kids that were told like, if
• 44:19
  you're a girl, you can do anything.
• 44:20
  And like, you know, this in America, like women couldn't
• 44:23
  open credit cards till like 1960, whatever, whatever.
• 44:26
  It was like kind of recently, you can do this and that without
• 44:28
  your husband or your father's permission, even in America.
• 44:30
  So in Korea, they're, they were also sold this idea of like, you
• 44:34
  know, you're not like your mom's or your grandmother's.
• 44:36
  You can like earn a living and be just like a man and go to
• 44:38
  school and become a doctor, go to Seoul National University.
• 44:42
  And when we were younger elder millennials, like it wasn't as
• 44:44
  coming to have as many women in the career of medicine and
• 44:48
  doctors, but now, you know, afterwards it was and lawyers
• 44:51
  and everything. And but the problem in these
• 44:53
  articles, there's a series of that were in the New York Times.
• 44:55
  Again, this was about Japan, but it's very similar to Korea where
• 44:58
  and also even America, you can extrapolate, which is that the
• 45:01
  men still don't do for whatever reason, the gender norms kind of
• 45:04
  just happen anyway. Like who's doing the bulk of the
• 45:06
  laundry? Who's doing the bulk of the
• 45:07
  childcare? Who knows their kids teacher's
• 45:09
  name? Who knows their kids?
• 45:10
  Pediatrician's. Name.
• 45:11
  It's usually. The mothers, even though they're
• 45:13
  working just as many hours and in Korea and Japan they work way
• 45:15
  more than our like a standard kind of 40 hours a week.
• 45:17
  They're working like 56. One politician want to make
• 45:20
  raised to like 60 hours a week in Korea or something, the work
• 45:22
  week. So it's very crazy and hectic,
• 45:25
  yeah. But mom still does everything is
• 45:27
  what you're saying. Moms, I mean, I'm just saying
• 45:29
  like the gender norms in theory or on paper are it's becoming
• 45:33
  more equitable, but it's really kind of still there because also
• 45:36
  in Korea, there's still a lot of expectations about women this
• 45:40
  women that they're still working on their me too movement,
• 45:43
  feminism. There is still like a whole big
• 45:46
  prickly subject. So it's not quite and even here
• 45:50
  because again, if you look at like they don't do surveys for
• 45:52
  like the OECD, the economic something economic, whatever and
• 45:56
  of development. And they look at developed
• 45:58
  countries, developing countries and what is going on and who's
• 46:00
  doing what and how much money do they make?
• 46:02
  How much time off do they get for like maternity and this and
• 46:04
  that. They look at all these things.
• 46:05
  And when you look at the surveys for people who are from that
• 46:08
  elder millennial generation, again, who in theory they're
• 46:11
  raised to believe like men can do housework and women can be,
• 46:14
  you know, Wall Street brokers, whatever, that's great.
• 46:16
  They can, they do. But what actually happens is the
• 46:19
  amount of laundry done by husbands not the same.
• 46:22
  It's not actually equal for any of those three countries.
• 46:24
  I mentioned the US, Korea and Japan.
• 46:26
  It's still mostly women doing like who's making who's packing
• 46:30
  lunches, who's cooking dinner, who's dealing with I got to get
• 46:33
  picked up from school and The Who needs to meet with the
• 46:35
  teacher over bad grades? Who needs to buy a gift for
• 46:38
  someone's birthday, friend's birthday party?
• 46:40
  Like the dads have no clue still in all these countries, right?
• 46:42
  In a lot of case, obviously not every, not on men, not every
• 46:45
  dad. But I'm just saying, like from
• 46:46
  these surveys, economic surveys and things, that's what was has
• 46:49
  been found, including through this generation of people.
• 46:51
  Yep, Breach. So anyway, this show covers
• 46:57
  gender norms and gender roles very heavily, and you just got a
• 47:04
  lot of bad parents. Like everybody's pretty much
• 47:06
  rotten in the show. Like at one point or another,
• 47:10
  you're kind of sold that maybe they're not so bad and then they
• 47:14
  prove you wrong. So I love that.
• 47:17
  I love that you get proven wrong like that.
• 47:20
  Your assumptions about some characters and their, the way
• 47:24
  that they act, it changes and it flows and they're making really
• 47:29
  stupid decisions and they're just foul, like everybody's
• 47:33
  foul. So I enjoy that.
• 47:36
  I enjoy seeing some foul people get together and live in this
• 47:40
  giant, beautiful compound exclusive community and all
• 47:46
  their houses are like set up on a hill.
• 47:49
  It's got like the good Feng shui, like, you know what I'm
• 47:51
  saying? Like the back of the house is
• 47:53
  like facing the mountain and then the front.
• 47:56
  Facing Windows. Yes, yeah.
• 47:57
  Like it's all like you kind of get this feeling that it's
• 48:01
  literally all intentional. Long story short, I love
• 48:05
  watching stupid, selfish rich people have a crack at each
• 48:10
  other and drive their kids to madness and that's what this
• 48:14
  show is. So with that with that being
• 48:19
  said, I think we're going to get into the spoiler section.
• 48:21
  But before we do, Nina, what would you rate this show out of
• 48:25
  five soju bottles? I think I have to give it 5 out
• 48:28
  of five soju bottles. I've watched it like about that
• 48:31
  many times almost. I think I watched it four times.
• 48:33
  So. And I really like find something
• 48:35
  new each time that I, you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, this now
• 48:38
  what? Makes sense why that happened
• 48:40
  last time. I didn't quite grasp it then,
• 48:41
  but now I do. So I think you get a lot out of
• 48:43
  it with multiple viewings. That's always a sign of a good
• 48:45
  show, I would say. So, yeah.
• 48:47
  I think I'd give it 5 out of five soju bottles.
• 48:49
  Yeah, I'm feeling really generous tonight, so I'm going
• 48:51
  to give it 5 out of five, but honestly, I can't see my score
• 48:56
  really coming down. Maybe just because it's not that
• 48:59
  rewatchable. It's very, it's like a lot.
• 49:02
  It's so much so. I mean, I watched it maybe like
• 49:05
  once a year, OK, like OK or one and like 1 1/2 years went by and
• 49:09
  then I watched it. It's not like I I binge watch it
• 49:12
  every weekend. No it.
• 49:13
  Is way too heavy. But I feel like this sting might
• 49:16
  wear off a little bit over time because especially because you
• 49:20
  know what's happening when you don't know what's happening, you
• 49:22
  don't know what's coming next, you're kind of like, what the
• 49:25
  fuck? Like this isn't.
• 49:26
  Crazy. And you feel sort of trapped
• 49:30
  like the characters do. And I think that that trapped
• 49:35
  feeling, you won't get that on rewatch because you know, it's
• 49:40
  coming down the Pike. But 5 soldier bottles out of
• 49:43
  five, so excellent. Just an excellent all rounder of
• 49:48
  a show. A lot of drama, so much drama.
• 49:52
  So we're going to get into it. I got to be honest, I don't have
• 49:56
  no notes. I have no notes for this.
• 49:58
  We're just winging it. But we'll get into the spoiler
• 50:01
  section and we'll do our best right after this.
• 50:05
  Excuse me, I can't. You know I have.
• 50:12
  Oh, sorry. What?
• 50:20
  All right, we're on the other side of spoilers.
• 50:21
  So we are going to spoil exactly what happens in Sky Castle with
• 50:26
  no notes. So without any notes, we're
• 50:29
  going to talk about episode one first.
• 50:32
  Episode 1, you get introduced to all of the families and there is
• 50:37
  a party happening in celebration of one of the kids getting
• 50:43
  accepted into SNU Med school, and there's like a foxtrot
• 50:50
  happening. After Ndas are signed, there's a
• 50:53
  force. What is it?
• 50:55
  There's a quartet there. Yes, they're serving lobster.
• 51:00
  They're serving lobster and it's extremely fancy.
• 51:05
  The one of the fathers is staging a protest because he
• 51:08
  doesn't want to go to the party. He's kind of being petulant, but
• 51:12
  you're kind of on his side. You're like, I kind of get it.
• 51:15
  I don't want to go to parties either.
• 51:17
  I don't want to dress up fancy. Yeah, but this is also the key
• 51:20
  point here is Yeso's mom is throwing this party for young
• 51:24
  Jake. Exactly, not for young Jay.
• 51:27
  And the point of it is to get her hands on young Jay's
• 51:32
  portfolio, AKA his college application.
• 51:34
  The whole packet we were talking about.
• 51:35
  Yeah. And that's why her dad doesn't
• 51:39
  want to be there because he's like, I'm not sucking up to this
• 51:41
  lady. Yeah, I think.
• 51:42
  Yeah, that's pretty sure that's. That should we call him like
• 51:45
  Goatee? We'll call him Goatee.
• 51:48
  And then Pixie cut is Yeso's mom Sojin.
• 51:53
  And then Yeso is Snowdrop Heijun's.
• 51:58
  Lovely runner. Lovely runner.
• 51:59
  Girl, we will call her lovely runner because I think everybody
• 52:02
  will. And Young Jay is the guy also
• 52:05
  from Lovely Runner. Young Jay's the guy who gets to
• 52:07
  just Seoul National University. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 52:10
  He's like barely in the hill. Place he's barely in this show
• 52:14
  he kind of comes back later way later after a while, but in the
• 52:16
  first episode he's there cuz the party he's the one who got into
• 52:19
  Seoul National University Med school.
• 52:20
  He's a lovely runner as her like other dude that's like in her
• 52:25
  high school. So little reunion happened
• 52:29
  during lovely. Runner.
• 52:29
  Nice, nice. So this is this family and
• 52:33
  Goatee is staging a little protest.
• 52:35
  He shows up wearing hiking clothes, athleisure, and
• 52:39
  everyone else is wearing gowns and suits and you know, he's
• 52:44
  just being a little nasty. But I liked him.
• 52:48
  Like in episode 1 I liked the dad, the Goatee dad.
• 52:53
  Yep. Oh.
• 52:56
  Shit like that goes sideways, like so fast in this show.
• 53:01
  But anyway, the mom whose son got into SNU Med school does not
• 53:07
  want to give up the portfolio. They try to schmooze her, they
• 53:11
  try to booze her, and like, nothing's working.
• 53:14
  She won't. She says explicitly she's not
• 53:16
  going to give up her son's portfolio, but she'll help one
• 53:19
  of them, whoever banks with Hanam Bank get an invitation to
• 53:25
  this. And this was crazy.
• 53:27
  Like this is when I was like, whoa, got to suspend disbelief
• 53:30
  here because I hope to God this doesn't happen, that a bank in
• 53:34
  Korea under the guise of an investment meeting hosted this
• 53:40
  big mixer for mothers of like students to.
• 53:47
  It was like an auction, like for these specialized coordinators,
• 53:52
  college entrance coordinators. And I was like, whoa, we are off
• 53:56
  to a fine start here because. Now in this show, they say there
• 54:00
  are similar events like this in the US.
• 54:02
  The characters say this. Is this true?
• 54:04
  I do not know. I try to look for that.
• 54:05
  I couldn't find it, but I don't think people would put that on
• 54:07
  the Internet. Like that?
• 54:08
  Exactly like that would never. Take that with what you will,
• 54:11
  right? Like Full House, Laurie Mclaw.
• 54:14
  Laurie, what's her favorite? Laurie Law would never put that
• 54:17
  on the Internet if that existed. Yeah, Yeah.
• 54:21
  And that's how Pixie cut gets paired with our coordinator,
• 54:25
  which I don't know how. The bun lady.
• 54:28
  Bun lady. All right.
• 54:29
  We'll call it the coordinator. The coordinator.
• 54:30
  We'll call her the coordinator. All right, Yeah, this
• 54:33
  coordinator has a perfect record.
• 54:36
  She gets two students into SNU every year and she only takes 2
• 54:42
  clients every year. She's the one who got this kid
• 54:45
  from the neighbourhood in to SNU Med school.
• 54:48
  So here we go. Like this is it.
• 54:51
  This is our meet queue with the two ladies who end up going head
• 54:56
  to head in the rest of the show. The coordinator's going to be
• 55:01
  teaching and handling. Yeah, so for three years.
• 55:06
  So Sky Castle, the show takes place over the course of three
• 55:11
  years. The end of episode 1 ends with
• 55:17
  this mom who was being congratulated and given.
• 55:21
  Wait, before we get to the mom. Oh, I will say young Jay hides
• 55:24
  an iPad. Yes, he done.
• 55:27
  Jay hides an iPad and there's something secret, the secret
• 55:31
  iPad, hidden in this random part of his house.
• 55:34
  Yeah, he hides it in like a top drawer of his of his desk in his
• 55:39
  room, 'cause he's going on a trip and his mom was gifted a
• 55:44
  big cruise as well to go on with her mother as a reward for doing
• 55:49
  such a stand up job of getting her son into SNU.
• 55:52
  From his dad. From his dad.
• 55:53
  So the dad gave this gift to the mom, which I had like issues
• 55:59
  with that in and of itself because it was very this sets up
• 56:03
  like these rewards for the mothers and how they are only
• 56:09
  given like value and affection if their children are
• 56:13
  successful, otherwise they are, you know.
• 56:18
  Well, I think it's like the husbands have the pressure of
• 56:21
  maintaining whatever prestigious job they have, surgeons and
• 56:25
  whatever they are professors. The wives have this pressure of
• 56:29
  their turning out perfect kids, however that happens, and then
• 56:33
  the kids have the pressure of being perfect themselves.
• 56:36
  So it's not equally distributed pressure, I don't think
• 56:39
  necessarily or I don't know, I guess it's just very different
• 56:41
  for each of them. But yeah, it's true.
• 56:43
  It's sort of icky. It's like, OK, you get these
• 56:45
  cruise tickets and this party's actually for the mom, not even
• 56:47
  for the kid who got into school, this school.
• 56:49
  Yeah. It's all very weird.
• 56:51
  Very weird. Yeah, it's bizarre.
• 56:54
  And you can see all the other moms watching as she gets this
• 56:57
  gift at the party and. It's not just like a subtle
• 57:01
  gift. It's like presented to her at
• 57:03
  this ball with like this string quartet in the background,
• 57:05
  lobsters and and on platters and whatever.
• 57:09
  So it's like a whole thing. It's a whole thing.
• 57:11
  Yeah, it's very performative. Almost everything that they do
• 57:16
  in the show is performative. And so this was one of those
• 57:20
  moments, and you get that immediately from episode one
• 57:24
  that they're performing for each other.
• 57:27
  Definitely. And then, you know, all hell
• 57:29
  breaks loose at the end of the episode, you get the iPad hiding
• 57:32
  thing, and the mom shoots herself in the head.
• 57:38
  Yeah, and commits suicide. Trigger whining.
• 57:42
  Oh yeah, Trigger. Yeah, trigger.
• 57:43
  The only two trigger warnings in the whole show were for suicide
• 57:48
  and I think violence. Death or something in the upper
• 57:53
  left corner. Netflix was like suicide and
• 57:55
  violence. That's all you got.
• 57:57
  Like no, no sexual anything. Like really no profanity or
• 58:02
  anything in the show. But Oh yeah, suicide definitely.
• 58:07
  Because at the end of episode 1, this suicide colours like the
• 58:11
  next set of episodes. As this community grapples with
• 58:17
  her loss, the family completely falls apart.
• 58:20
  What the hell does the coordinator have to do with
• 58:23
  anything? And also like before that, we
• 58:26
  get to the coordinator too. It's like, why would a mom who
• 58:29
  just was basically given mom of the year award by these people
• 58:33
  because her kid got into, you know, it's Med school.
• 58:36
  Why would she kill herself? Like that's the other thing.
• 58:38
  This is a perfect community with perfect people and perfect
• 58:41
  children and perfect scores and perfect everything.
• 58:44
  And she's the epitome of the perfection.
• 58:46
  But she kills herself. So now that's why it's such a
• 58:49
  like mind blown moment because you're like, wait, what
• 58:53
  happened? Why did it happen exactly?
• 58:56
  But yes, then they are still chasing that portfolio even kind
• 58:59
  of after she dies and she they have that appointment with the
• 59:01
  coordinator. Unbelievable.
• 59:03
  Like the audacity on these people.
• 59:06
  Like it just gets worse. Like they have more and more
• 59:09
  moments where you're like, they're shameless.
• 59:11
  They have no shame whatsoever because they still, especially
• 59:17
  Pixie cut, only cares about yes all getting into SNU Med school.
• 59:23
  Yep. And it's interesting because
• 59:25
  it's like such as tight knit community.
• 59:27
  They see each other every single day.
• 59:27
  They have their little book club and whatever going on and like
• 59:30
  so it's not like they're cold and distantly like distant
• 59:34
  neighbors. They're like all up on each
• 59:35
  other. It's like business or kids or
• 59:36
  friends, etcetera. And they know each other's
• 59:39
  business. So they kind of do mourn her
• 59:40
  when she dies. And then they're kind of like,
• 59:42
  OK, well, but anyways, back to getting my kid into school, into
• 59:45
  Med school or whatever school, like that's they really do just
• 59:48
  pivot to that. They're like, OK, well anyway.
• 59:50
  Yeah, their priorities are so out of whack.
• 59:53
  From then on, I think we're I think we should just talk about
• 59:56
  like the families as units and what the hell happens to each
• 1:00:01
  one of them. Not necessarily going episode by
• 1:00:03
  episode because we'd just be here for four hours, but.
• 1:00:08
  I I think, I don't know, do you want to work backwards and talk
• 1:00:11
  about like maybe the smallest family, maybe Ginny's family?
• 1:00:15
  So side swept. Oh gosh, I love her.
• 1:00:19
  She's such a like trophy wife and like the best way.
• 1:00:23
  She is a trophy wife. And her husband's a dodo bird.
• 1:00:26
  Like, he is a surgeon, but he's also like, not the sharpest of
• 1:00:31
  the surgical tools. You're totally right.
• 1:00:34
  Like he's such a freaking dodo. It's so funny because this is
• 1:00:38
  this when this first aired the big news, because I watched it
• 1:00:41
  as aired, by the way, and there was a big talk of the town, this
• 1:00:44
  now defunct K pop girl group AOA.
• 1:00:47
  One of the girls in AOA was going to make a cameo
• 1:00:49
  appearance. And so he she does.
• 1:00:50
  And he's like, he's like Bengal, Bengal, like that or whatever.
• 1:00:55
  And he's like so excited, his character so excited for her.
• 1:00:57
  And it just was so perfect. It was so ridiculous, but sets
• 1:01:00
  the scene and the tone of that family so well because they're
• 1:01:03
  definitely like the least on the most unserious ones of this
• 1:01:06
  crew. Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  And they're kind of like the most demonstrative of anyone
• 1:01:11
  because they kind of don't care about anything as much as they
• 1:01:13
  do. They're not, it's not that
• 1:01:14
  serious for them. But they then, but they look
• 1:01:16
  around, they're like, oh, I need to also be serious about this.
• 1:01:18
  Like I should also like want this.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah, like they're followers. They're not leaders.
• 1:01:23
  They're reading the room and they're constantly adjusting
• 1:01:26
  themselves to kind of meet what everybody else is demanding.
• 1:01:32
  And if everybody else is concerned about their kids
• 1:01:34
  getting into an IV essentially, then they're going to pressure
• 1:01:39
  their kid as well to get in. And they're taking their cues
• 1:01:42
  from from everybody else in the sky Castle rather than making up
• 1:01:45
  their own minds. And I think the husband at one
• 1:01:48
  point says to the wife, you had you're perfect except for one
• 1:01:52
  thing. You're so wishy washy.
• 1:01:55
  And she is. She's absolutely switching sides
• 1:01:59
  like all the time between plant lady and Pixie cut essentially.
• 1:02:03
  She's such a suck up to the Pixie cut for the longest time
• 1:02:07
  just 'cause she thinks like that'll get her whatever she
• 1:02:09
  needs to get in order for everyone else to think she's
• 1:02:11
  like, cool. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:13
  Because the Pixie cut has her kid is older, like is going
• 1:02:17
  through the process now. And her child Suan is like in
• 1:02:23
  middle school. So he does She's doesn't she
• 1:02:25
  doesn't have as much pressure as the other mothers who have their
• 1:02:30
  kids on the cusp of just about to enter high school and go
• 1:02:34
  through this process and need to keep their grades up.
• 1:02:38
  So she wants to basically benefit from their experience
• 1:02:42
  and you know, get all this Intel from the the mom, the Pixie cut
• 1:02:47
  mom. And that's why she's sucking U
• 1:02:49
  to her because she's like, well, she'll pass along all of this
• 1:02:52
  stuff. She'll give me the coordinators
• 1:02:53
  name and she'll put in a good word for me and yadda yadda
• 1:02:57
  yadda so on and so forth. But it gets totally it's so
• 1:03:02
  annoying but also so entertaining to watch because of
• 1:03:05
  the personality on this Ginny character like this.
• 1:03:08
  Memory, memory. She's always like.
• 1:03:11
  That's what I'm saying. But like, she's not so elegant,
• 1:03:15
  like she's not so refined like the other mothers.
• 1:03:19
  She is very kind of crude and very open.
• 1:03:24
  She's very extroverted. She's boisterous and.
• 1:03:28
  She doesn't have, like, quiet dignity, yes.
• 1:03:31
  Exactly, which makes her so much fun to watch.
• 1:03:35
  I mean, she gets syrup poured all over her, She gets her hair
• 1:03:38
  pulled, She's in like 50 cuffs, 7 point.
• 1:03:41
  Like she's like honestly, like so much fun.
• 1:03:44
  She has this buffoon of a husband.
• 1:03:46
  She has this idiot for a son who like does not want to study,
• 1:03:50
  does not like to study and is actually, you know, he's not
• 1:03:54
  that smart, like unfortunately. So she's like trying to instill
• 1:04:00
  all of the same values and work ethic into her son when it's
• 1:04:06
  just not sticking. This all comes to a head with
• 1:04:09
  her family when the kid like kind of just runs away.
• 1:04:12
  Like he tries to run away at one point.
• 1:04:15
  Well, I think that was brilliant on the part of the writers
• 1:04:17
  because it could have made this whole family just be the goofy
• 1:04:19
  ass family on the block. But then they had like an actual
• 1:04:22
  real problem, which is the fact that the pressure was acutely
• 1:04:26
  felt by their kid. And he's he was like, I don't
• 1:04:29
  even want to be. I'd rather because she's very
• 1:04:31
  into porcelain and into her little porcelain.
• 1:04:32
  That was hysterical too, that she she had like.
• 1:04:35
  This one stuff, yeah. Like hobby that she had was was
• 1:04:38
  collecting porcelain, Yes. Yep, And she and he wrote that
• 1:04:44
  little school poem that's like, I'd rather be a, a my mom's
• 1:04:46
  coffee cup because she loves that better or teacup that she
• 1:04:49
  loves it better than me or whatever.
• 1:04:50
  It's like so dumb, like some dumb thing a kid was like so
• 1:04:53
  sad. It's so true.
• 1:04:54
  It's yeah, it's sad because it was just true feelings.
• 1:04:56
  He genuinely felt like kind of like, you guys don't value me.
• 1:04:59
  And he was the best of the kids at expressing it.
• 1:05:02
  She was the best of the moms, I would say at like receiving that
• 1:05:05
  information as after some, you know, some time, obviously.
• 1:05:08
  And then the dad, even the dad was just wanting like peace and
• 1:05:11
  harmony in his house. He was like, OK, go to school or
• 1:05:13
  don't go to school. He's just like, but make your
• 1:05:15
  don't upset your mom. You know, they're like, you
• 1:05:17
  know, he's like do whatever, but sort yourselves out.
• 1:05:20
  But they were kind of the most like in a way affectionate with
• 1:05:24
  each other. They seemed into each other.
• 1:05:26
  And then they were into their kid and nobody else was really
• 1:05:28
  as much like. Yeah, I I agree that this mom,
• 1:05:33
  she would have been my favorite if it wasn't for Bob Cut because
• 1:05:38
  she felt conflicted. I think those moments where they
• 1:05:43
  had her struggling with what to do.
• 1:05:46
  How do how do you reconcile these two halves of like, I want
• 1:05:50
  you to do well, I want to pressure you.
• 1:05:52
  I want to push you to succeed and excel at academics, but I
• 1:05:58
  don't want to. I don't want to torture you like
• 1:06:00
  I don't want to make you suffer through all of these years of
• 1:06:05
  schooling and going to the academies and going to bed past
• 1:06:09
  midnight and staying up late and constantly being on your ass.
• 1:06:14
  That is not a way to live. And she understood that.
• 1:06:18
  And so I respected her for she loved her son.
• 1:06:22
  Like she actually I believed her when she wanted her son to do
• 1:06:26
  well academically, but she also deeply loved her son and like
• 1:06:32
  was so affectionate with him and would like lay in the bed with
• 1:06:36
  him and like hug him and cuddle with him and stuff.
• 1:06:38
  And I'm like, Oh my God, like that is so cute.
• 1:06:40
  None of the other moms did that. And like, he's an only child, so
• 1:06:43
  this could be why. And she's a loudmouth, but he,
• 1:06:46
  there's also this thing, like he knew his mom.
• 1:06:48
  They know each other. They see each other, they know
• 1:06:49
  each other. Cuz he's like, you didn't do
• 1:06:51
  well in school. Why are you on my ass?
• 1:06:52
  So like, like they have, like they, he knows that about his
• 1:06:56
  mom. And you know, his dad's a
• 1:06:57
  surgeon and, you know, so did, you know, somewhat well, but
• 1:06:59
  he's like, why are you being like this when you did?
• 1:07:02
  And she kind of takes a heart. She's like, yeah, I wasn't that
• 1:07:04
  good in school. I mean, you could see her, like,
• 1:07:06
  grappling with that with like, yeah, her inadequacy making my
• 1:07:09
  kid do. Yeah.
• 1:07:10
  I mean, and I'm trying to force my kid to do stuff I couldn't
• 1:07:11
  even do or didn't do, you know? So I really liked her.
• 1:07:15
  I thought she was fun and I I just loved seeing her
• 1:07:18
  relationship with her son and how after that moment where she
• 1:07:23
  almost loses him, like he almost does get away and run away, she
• 1:07:27
  rethinks her tact. I love her hair.
• 1:07:30
  And her hair is fabulous. Like, honestly, her hair is
• 1:07:33
  honest, a character in and of itself.
• 1:07:36
  It's beautiful. She can do no wrong.
• 1:07:39
  She is the best dressed of the whole of.
• 1:07:41
  All the best clothes. Yeah, the like spangled jacket
• 1:07:44
  that she's wearing on like a cold November morning in her
• 1:07:47
  neighborhood for no reason. Yeah, she's fabulous.
• 1:07:50
  A+, no notes. I, I love that family and I, I
• 1:07:54
  love their dynamic. I love how they end up a plus
• 1:07:57
  plus. So we're moving on to Sunghez
• 1:08:02
  family, which is our Bobcat family.
• 1:08:05
  OK, that's why I and Pyramid. Dad so it's Bob Cut and Pyramid
• 1:08:10
  Dad. They're the parents of three
• 1:08:12
  children and this was a whole last mess.
• 1:08:16
  Like we could be an hour just on them but.
• 1:08:19
  They should get a spin off they. Should they should have gone off
• 1:08:22
  well. They kind of did because they're
• 1:08:23
  on, they're on What's that show they're on right now.
• 1:08:26
  The two husband and the wife are on a K drama right now.
• 1:08:28
  Yes, Normal family or something. Something like that.
• 1:08:31
  And I heard it wasn't that good, but Oh yeah, OK, sorry.
• 1:08:37
  This isn't their spin off I. Guess this Yeah, but they got
• 1:08:40
  reunited in a 2424 show as husband and wife again.
• 1:08:44
  But it's because they were here as husband and wife very
• 1:08:48
  successfully in Sky Castle. I think they had a really juicy
• 1:08:54
  storyline because, you know, you come to find out that she kind
• 1:09:00
  of signed up for this marriage sight unseen because she didn't
• 1:09:04
  ask him important questions about his values and what he
• 1:09:08
  wanted out of his children, what were his goals in life, yadda,
• 1:09:11
  yadda, yadda. Because she was so desperate to
• 1:09:13
  get away from her own patriarchal family, her own
• 1:09:17
  patriarchal father. And so she escaped right into
• 1:09:20
  another patriarchal, severely patriarchal man.
• 1:09:24
  OK, I wanna say something real quick about this Marriage 1 is
• 1:09:27
  that, and I don't know if they didn't say this in the show, but
• 1:09:30
  through the 1990s arranged marriage in Korea where your
• 1:09:34
  parents get together with another set of parents and like
• 1:09:36
  yeah, our kids are getting married and he'll be perfect.
• 1:09:38
  That was a thing. I don't know if that's the case
• 1:09:40
  with them, but the other thing I wanted to mention, so I'm saying
• 1:09:43
  it could be The other thing I wanna mention is that Pyramid
• 1:09:45
  dad chose her or was willing to marry her 'cause again, I don't
• 1:09:48
  know if they were arranged by their.
• 1:09:50
  Parents, I don't think they were because he came from a poor
• 1:09:52
  upbringing. True.
• 1:09:54
  And he was not of the same, he was not of the same status that
• 1:09:58
  she was. You're right, You're right.
• 1:10:00
  He kind of worked up to where he could marry her because he
• 1:10:06
  basically excelled academically and worked his way up, went to
• 1:10:10
  law school and, you know, did it the old fashioned like, like
• 1:10:15
  very, very American of him actually to do it this way.
• 1:10:19
  Pulled himself by his boots. Yeah, OK, well, also American
• 1:10:22
  way is the Aunt Becky methods, so don't forget that part
• 1:10:25
  either. But anyway, that is also
• 1:10:27
  American. But no, he he picked her because
• 1:10:30
  her her dad, Yeah, Congressman, congressman or senator or
• 1:10:35
  something. So it was like advantageous to
• 1:10:37
  him. And that kind of is his whole MO
• 1:10:39
  pyramid dad. Like everything has to be like
• 1:10:41
  something about him, like reflect well on him at the end
• 1:10:44
  of the day. Yeah, whatever it is, whatever
• 1:10:46
  his kids do, whatever his wife does, if it doesn't come back to
• 1:10:48
  like reflect him as a in a positive manner, he kind of
• 1:10:51
  isn't here for it. Yeah, and I thought it bit him
• 1:10:54
  in the ass and it was wonderful. I love to see it.
• 1:10:57
  So the mom, again, we kind of covered her a little bit in the
• 1:11:01
  non spoiler section, but she was a wonderful, astute mother
• 1:11:06
  because she understood, saw that her children were suffering
• 1:11:12
  under the thumb of their father and how he who was torturing
• 1:11:16
  them like he would literally have AI think it was a torture
• 1:11:20
  chamber. Their study room that was within
• 1:11:24
  the house was like this soundproof room.
• 1:11:26
  No doors, no windows. Jail cell vibes.
• 1:11:29
  Jail cell vibes. Very dark.
• 1:11:32
  He would make them compete against each other.
• 1:11:34
  He had it was it was a older daughter and twins.
• 1:11:37
  They're twins boys, but fraternal twins.
• 1:11:40
  They look nothing alike and he would make the twins compete
• 1:11:43
  against each other all the time and trying to foster this
• 1:11:47
  unhealthy level of competition between the brothers like their
• 1:11:52
  brothers. It kind of made no sense, but
• 1:11:56
  also I could understand why he was trying to.
• 1:12:00
  It's almost like iron sharpens iron.
• 1:12:02
  He was trying to get them to improve each.
• 1:12:05
  Other it's like a dog fight kind of guy.
• 1:12:07
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 1:12:10
  That's not good, he. Was like a fight to the death
• 1:12:12
  kind of guy. Was very like gladiator style of
• 1:12:16
  teaching and tutoring. He would have a metronome.
• 1:12:20
  Them, they didn't go to hog one. No they didn't go to Hog 1.
• 1:12:23
  He did it himself like a crazy person.
• 1:12:26
  Oh, the metronome. The fucking metronome bro.
• 1:12:29
  And he anyway, Long story short, he was in the wrong 100% of the
• 1:12:36
  time in the show. Like there was never a point
• 1:12:39
  where I was like, you know what? He's got a point.
• 1:12:42
  Never. Never.
• 1:12:43
  Like he was always. Wrong.
• 1:12:45
  And I will say this actor did a good job of conveying this
• 1:12:48
  character's insecurities, being like, probably the leading
• 1:12:51
  factor to why he was the way he was.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah, because he came, like you said, from kind of humble
• 1:12:55
  origins now living in this Tony neighborhood with all these
• 1:12:58
  fancy people. And he wasn't even the fanciest
• 1:13:00
  of the fancy people cuz he wasn't a surgeon.
• 1:13:01
  He was just just in quotes a law professor.
• 1:13:04
  And that was like the lower of the, of the rankings of things
• 1:13:08
  to be when you're living as Sky Castle resident.
• 1:13:11
  And he kind of made-up for it or overcompensated for it.
• 1:13:13
  But being like, you know what, I'll do you all a favor.
• 1:13:15
  I will hold these book clubs and I will enlighten your children
• 1:13:18
  on the humanities so you can teach them about math, science,
• 1:13:21
  medicine. I'll handle like, you know,
• 1:13:24
  critical thinking and the great literature.
• 1:13:27
  He was thinking he could be a bastion of liberal the arts and
• 1:13:31
  he he didn't even get it. Like he didn't even get the
• 1:13:34
  liberal art like the the book club.
• 1:13:37
  You want to talk about the book club?
• 1:13:38
  So that was painful as shit. That was in the early episodes
• 1:13:42
  where they were taking the kids to these book clubs and the
• 1:13:46
  parents also were going to this book club in Sky Castle.
• 1:13:48
  It was only for the Sky Castle residence.
• 1:13:51
  Well, it was in there. It was in there a little like
• 1:13:53
  rec center slash. They had a clubhouse.
• 1:13:54
  Yeah, yeah, they had a clubhouse.
• 1:13:56
  I love, I love that they had that and I was obsessed with
• 1:13:59
  that. Like the sets of.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah, he's done. It was awesome.
• 1:14:02
  And that was, yeah, that was one place I wanna hang out in the
• 1:14:05
  clubhouse. The me too, because that's a
• 1:14:06
  nice ass club. I had like a library in it.
• 1:14:08
  It was great. It was like 10 stories high
• 1:14:10
  anyway, it had bedrooms in it. It had bedrooms and it had like
• 1:14:14
  a whole last anyway. He was picking extremely
• 1:14:18
  difficult books to read, dense books to read, novels that
• 1:14:24
  nobody could understand or digest.
• 1:14:27
  And he was doing it on purpose to beef up their reading list.
• 1:14:32
  But also I think to make himself seem like good or like smart
• 1:14:38
  because again, he's so like weirdly, so weirdly insecure.
• 1:14:43
  And I think he wanted to get these books where he knew like
• 1:14:44
  no one. And they were mostly books that
• 1:14:46
  were originally written in not Korean, right?
• 1:14:48
  Usually in English or some other language.
• 1:14:49
  And then there he yes, So it gives her whole little like book
• 1:14:53
  report starts it in English and then it's like, never mind, I'll
• 1:14:56
  switch to English. She does.
• 1:14:56
  She starts it as fluent English and everyone's like I, I what
• 1:15:00
  the look on everyone's faces. But yeah, he's just this
• 1:15:06
  egotistical, proud, selfish, pretentious, but.
• 1:15:12
  Small small man like you know yes you could do.
• 1:15:16
  His ego is big but his self worth is small.
• 1:15:19
  Yes. And so he was doing too much.
• 1:15:22
  Like he was literally just doing too much.
• 1:15:24
  He needed to do nothing at all. Like he would just help by doing
• 1:15:27
  nothing. And the book club, I mean, you
• 1:15:31
  see a lot of like how each character approaches academia,
• 1:15:37
  like other personalities in the group.
• 1:15:40
  The beauty of the book club is the parents participate too.
• 1:15:42
  It's not exactly. Exactly.
• 1:15:44
  So you have Little Miss Hair, the beautiful side hair reading
• 1:15:48
  Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche and it's like she's
• 1:15:53
  like what the fuck is this? And honestly, it's like a former
• 1:15:57
  English major. This is hysterical to me.
• 1:15:59
  Like this level of like, my God, it's just so annoying.
• 1:16:05
  Like to see these, to see this man pretentious.
• 1:16:08
  It's so pretentious. Like it's on another level.
• 1:16:11
  We all knew that guy. And we all know this guy like
• 1:16:14
  you've seen this guy like, you know, a person like this.
• 1:16:17
  So anyway, he is complimenting yes.
• 1:16:21
  Or for her take on one of the books.
• 1:16:24
  I can't even remember what book it was.
• 1:16:25
  I think it was the selfishness gene.
• 1:16:27
  Or it was the selfishness 1 And she was like, I learned that it
• 1:16:31
  was good to be selfish, good to place myself 1st and to your.
• 1:16:34
  Own self-interest. Yeah.
• 1:16:36
  And he was like, yes, yes, yes, that's exactly I think.
• 1:16:42
  Sorry. I'm doing like a little
• 1:16:43
  impression of him too, like with the arms.
• 1:16:46
  Yeah, it's getting me now. So it's embarrassing.
• 1:16:50
  Like he's embarrassing. And yes, all is also
• 1:16:54
  embarrassing because you can see how conceited, cringy and cringy
• 1:16:59
  she is. Oh my God.
• 1:17:01
  Like. She has that conceit, that
• 1:17:04
  special conceit that only a 1617 year old girl can have Honestly
• 1:17:08
  so amazing, yes, amazing like you're like a job You're you
• 1:17:11
  hate her still from like you're like oh.
• 1:17:14
  My God, get her a paper bag. She needs to hide her face.
• 1:17:17
  It's that bad. Like you're like, Oh my God, but
• 1:17:20
  he's eating it up. And his kids, the twins, I hate
• 1:17:25
  him. They hate the book club.
• 1:17:28
  They don't want anything to do with him.
• 1:17:29
  And one of his kids had like a beautiful take on one of the
• 1:17:32
  books about how I can't even remember what the take was
• 1:17:36
  honestly. But it doesn't matter.
• 1:17:38
  The fact that like he had a very nuanced take and it was a very
• 1:17:41
  personalized thing and how he felt about studying, basically
• 1:17:46
  being forced to study. And the dad was like your
• 1:17:49
  opinions wrong. Like he basically it was a
• 1:17:52
  dictatorship and it was not a book discussion at all.
• 1:17:57
  The book club eventually gets disbanded.
• 1:18:00
  It comes to not because of his tyranny and plant mom comes in
• 1:18:07
  to save the day and she's like, what is this book club?
• 1:18:10
  Actually? You guys are unhinged.
• 1:18:14
  And she puts a stop to it in the course of the show.
• 1:18:17
  It's a drop in the ocean. Like the book club is not even a
• 1:18:21
  thing really. But it shows it, it's so good in
• 1:18:23
  the early episodes because it shows you how everyone kind of
• 1:18:26
  operates. And also in us in this show full
• 1:18:28
  of overbearing women and mothers, he's the overbearing
• 1:18:31
  dad. He is just oppressive about all
• 1:18:34
  this. If he's just as obsessed as the
• 1:18:36
  ladies are, he's the one who forces the Bob lady to go to the
• 1:18:39
  bank and he gets somehow gets her a bank card to show up the
• 1:18:42
  same meeting and bid for the coordinator the same way ESO's
• 1:18:45
  mom bids for her. And it's because of his analness
• 1:18:49
  about it. He's so uptight.
• 1:18:52
  Yeah. And I think that the moment that
• 1:18:56
  you find out his daughter never went to Harvard and she.
• 1:18:59
  Was doing. This like huge fraud and con
• 1:19:03
  Harvard was suing her. She like fled the states.
• 1:19:07
  I was like, oh. Her American aunt just being
• 1:19:12
  like freaking out in Korean and then being like, Oh my God.
• 1:19:15
  Yeah, yeah, the the terrible English.
• 1:19:19
  Exclamations in the middle of her like, freak out.
• 1:19:23
  Makes sense, though. No, I mean, it was such a payoff
• 1:19:25
  like this. This family story is has such
• 1:19:27
  payoff cuz he's so obnoxious. And then they basically like,
• 1:19:30
  they pull the rug out, call him out.
• 1:19:32
  Yeah, yeah. They do everything so that he is
• 1:19:35
  super humbled. And that is the fun part about
• 1:19:38
  them. Yeah.
• 1:19:39
  But it takes a while to get there.
• 1:19:40
  It does. It does.
• 1:19:41
  Take a lot. Again, long painful ride.
• 1:19:43
  Yeah, I do like the moment when the daughter comes back home
• 1:19:47
  after he finally he, she, she texts him that she lied she
• 1:19:52
  never got into Harvard. It's been this whole elaborate
• 1:19:55
  lie. She's been just staying at
• 1:19:59
  Harvard dorms without. Hanging it.
• 1:20:02
  It's been this entire. And this stuff she tells her
• 1:20:05
  parents that like she's, you know, volunteering with Malia
• 1:20:08
  Obama, who at the time was a Harvard student and she's like
• 1:20:12
  going to intern at the White House or whatever the hell she's
• 1:20:14
  telling her dad was all perfect stuff for she knew how to feed
• 1:20:16
  her dad these lines that he would, you know, eat up with a
• 1:20:18
  spoon. And that's kind of where some of
• 1:20:20
  his ego did come from because that's this was the one area
• 1:20:23
  where they did feel confident. And they were like the second
• 1:20:26
  family in a way. Like if young Jay's mom and dad
• 1:20:29
  were the like the first most like prestigious because of
• 1:20:32
  their son's success and they were like the second most
• 1:20:34
  because she was just at Harvard, not necessarily at like a Med
• 1:20:37
  school, but still she. Went to an Ivy in the space,
• 1:20:39
  yeah. Yeah, yeah, still pretty, pretty
• 1:20:41
  damn good. So yeah.
• 1:20:42
  And then to have all that be fake and false.
• 1:20:45
  And it was crazy. And the way, like her, the way
• 1:20:47
  her mom comes to find out about it and how they, like portrayed
• 1:20:50
  in the show where she's having these secret like closet
• 1:20:53
  conversations with her sister in the in the literal closet being
• 1:20:55
  like, what are you saying right now?
• 1:20:56
  Like, what are you telling me? And her sister's like, I'm
• 1:20:59
  saying I now owe Harvard University $60,000.
• 1:21:01
  I don't. Because Harvard's suing my ass.
• 1:21:05
  Yeah. What is wrong with your
• 1:21:06
  daughter? Yeah.
• 1:21:08
  The conversation that the daughter has where she's
• 1:21:11
  basically saying you didn't love me unless I was doing well in
• 1:21:16
  school. You didn't see me unless I was a
• 1:21:18
  Harvard student. And why can't I just be your
• 1:21:22
  daughter? And you know, you're such,
• 1:21:24
  you're so small. She kind of like starts calling
• 1:21:28
  him on his shit and saying that she's not a failure the way that
• 1:21:33
  she was raised was wrong and that he the dad is a failure
• 1:21:39
  because none of the family respects him.
• 1:21:43
  Yeah, she says it's you're a failure if your family doesn't
• 1:21:45
  respect you or something like that.
• 1:21:46
  I don't know where she got that from, if that was a quote.
• 1:21:48
  Do you remember where that came from or that just something she
• 1:21:50
  said. No, I.
• 1:21:50
  Think that's just something she said.
• 1:21:52
  OK, so she's like, you're the failure, not me.
• 1:21:55
  Yeah, because no one here respects you.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah. And then he starts turning to
• 1:21:59
  the twins, turns to his wife. He's like, do you respect me?
• 1:22:01
  And they're like, no, it's fantastic, but it's absolutely
• 1:22:08
  true. And it's heartbreaking in the
• 1:22:09
  moment when she's like, he slapped her and she's on the
• 1:22:13
  floor, you know? He's pretty violent.
• 1:22:16
  He's violent like he disappoints of twins all the time.
• 1:22:20
  The twins are trying to like save their Nuna and all this
• 1:22:22
  stuff and their mom all the time.
• 1:22:24
  We don't really see him do much with the wife like as far as
• 1:22:27
  physical violence is concerned. But it's the underpinnings of
• 1:22:30
  all that is there like underlying.
• 1:22:32
  Yeah, he's certainly abusive, and at one point she's at the
• 1:22:36
  end of the show, she threatens divorce, which I think she
• 1:22:39
  should have done 20 years ago, but it's okay.
• 1:22:41
  I will say, I, I, I pretty sure that still to this day, like
• 1:22:45
  it's obviously not uncommon, I don't think anymore.
• 1:22:47
  But in Korea there was this, this, and we had this too in the
• 1:22:49
  US, like when again, as an elder millennial child in the 80s and
• 1:22:53
  my my parents would ask me like, is your new friend from school?
• 1:22:57
  Are their parents divorced? I don't know why that was the
• 1:22:59
  question, but they would check they were like, are they
• 1:23:01
  divorced? Because that's a little shady.
• 1:23:03
  Yeah, I don't know. It was just some weird thing of
• 1:23:04
  like, it's not considered good, quote UN quote.
• 1:23:06
  I don't know why in in a societal level to be divorced.
• 1:23:09
  And in Korea, I think it may still be the case to some
• 1:23:11
  extent, maybe more so than here. And I'm just venturing guests
• 1:23:15
  here, so don't take my word for it.
• 1:23:16
  But they're definitely. And a family like that, it would
• 1:23:18
  probably be also like considered a flaw.
• 1:23:21
  And we were trying to maintain this level of perfection or this
• 1:23:23
  appearance of perfection that you get a divorce because that's
• 1:23:26
  a failure of a marriage and any failure is an L, basically.
• 1:23:29
  So so. Certainly for this very small
• 1:23:33
  pyramid man who was obsessed with being at the top of the
• 1:23:35
  pyramid. Yes.
• 1:23:37
  She threatens divorce though, at the end of the show.
• 1:23:40
  She gives him like an ultimatum of like, if, if you don't want
• 1:23:42
  me to divorce, you're going to have to like basically change
• 1:23:45
  how you behave and interact with the kids and you're going to
• 1:23:47
  start respecting them. You're gonna let them do a
• 1:23:49
  little bit of what they wanna do.
• 1:23:50
  What killed me though, was how Sarah, their daughter, went from
• 1:23:53
  a fake Harvard student to party promoter and the mom, like going
• 1:23:58
  to bat for the party promoter and like, it is like, it's a
• 1:24:00
  valid job. But it was just funny how 'cause
• 1:24:03
  that you would think like she's like, I'll go to nursing school
• 1:24:05
  or something. Kind of placate her, you know,
• 1:24:06
  that whole like need for their parents to like maintain these
• 1:24:09
  appearances or prestige or whatever perceived prestige.
• 1:24:12
  But she's like, no, I'm gonna be a nightclub promoter.
• 1:24:14
  Yeah, she was like, I'm not going to college at all.
• 1:24:16
  Who needs college? Yeah, that was so funny to me.
• 1:24:20
  And I, I just found it so hilarious.
• 1:24:21
  And then he's like party promoter and he's like just
• 1:24:24
  sputtering with like, rage. He's like, what are you talking
• 1:24:27
  about? Like, no daughter of mine.
• 1:24:28
  Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, in my translation it said
• 1:24:32
  like marketing director and I was like, OK, all right.
• 1:24:39
  So I think that's enough of that family.
• 1:24:41
  I really enjoyed seeing their story and how the mom took
• 1:24:46
  matters into her own hands and he like fell from the apple
• 1:24:51
  tree. Like it was a whole reckoning
• 1:24:54
  for him truly. I mean he wanted her labor.
• 1:24:59
  Like he could not exist without her.
• 1:25:02
  Like he couldn't feed himself, he couldn't take care of
• 1:25:05
  himself. He was a mess without her.
• 1:25:08
  She made his life. Work.
• 1:25:11
  All the husbands really were like, get me my suit, get me my
• 1:25:14
  golf clubs, get me my whatever. And the wives go scurrying to
• 1:25:17
  get them even though they're like, they have like a, for lack
• 1:25:21
  of a better word, servant, domestic.
• 1:25:23
  It's a servant. I thought it was a servant as
• 1:25:25
  well. I'm like, oh, it's a maid that
• 1:25:28
  has weekends. Off.
• 1:25:29
  She's a servant. It's a servant, but Despite
• 1:25:32
  that, it's still the on the wife right to do this then the other
• 1:25:36
  so we're. Going to move on to.
• 1:25:39
  I don't know, do you want to move on?
• 1:25:41
  To I think we should save, yes. So it's family for last.
• 1:25:44
  OK, all right, so let's do swim. Which is the mother, the plant
• 1:25:49
  lady, and she's married to Doctor Huang.
• 1:25:52
  Yes, she's also children's book author.
• 1:25:54
  Yes, the children's book author Mom slash Plant lady and their
• 1:25:59
  son is Uju. Yeah.
• 1:26:02
  Damn. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:26:05
  So this, this poor lady, I mean, this whole family, they just,
• 1:26:10
  they put them through the wringer.
• 1:26:13
  They try to destroy this family. I think the the fun part about
• 1:26:18
  them coming into the neighborhood, like basically
• 1:26:22
  rising from the ashes of Yongjie's family, the mom.
• 1:26:26
  Who can move into that house? They move into that house.
• 1:26:29
  They move into the that original house where like the young Jay
• 1:26:33
  the SNU kid, he like goes missing and.
• 1:26:38
  His dad quits. His job, quits the job in the
• 1:26:40
  hospital, the moms committed suicide.
• 1:26:42
  The whole family was toe up from the flow up.
• 1:26:44
  And so they move into that house.
• 1:26:47
  They're like free thinkers. They are, you know, very hands
• 1:26:52
  off when it comes to Uju's education.
• 1:26:55
  He just studies on his own. He doesn't have any private
• 1:26:58
  tutors. He doesn't go to the Hagwan.
• 1:27:01
  She's a stay at home mom but she also the husband helps out at
• 1:27:06
  home. He's seen folding towels and
• 1:27:09
  clothes. And he's a surgeon or whatever
• 1:27:11
  too. Or not a.
• 1:27:12
  Surgeon. And he, yeah, he's a surgeon as
• 1:27:13
  well, A different kind. Right.
• 1:27:15
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a neurosurgeon.
• 1:27:18
  Even though he's a highly educated professional, he's
• 1:27:22
  doing domestic duties along with her.
• 1:27:25
  At home, he's washing dishes. He's helping set up the table.
• 1:27:29
  It's a wonderful sort of utopia like existence that none of the
• 1:27:34
  other families see, of almost closer division of household
• 1:27:39
  labor between the husband and wife.
• 1:27:41
  They have a wonderful angelic child who is smart and is eager
• 1:27:48
  to learn, eager to study. Doesn't require coaxing or
• 1:27:53
  beating him over the head with a textbook to try and get him to
• 1:27:55
  study and he does extremely well in school.
• 1:27:58
  He was like #1 to enter high school ranked the same as Yeso.
• 1:28:05
  Upon entering this Sheena High School, this poor lady has the
• 1:28:11
  heart of a journalist because she starts digging deep into the
• 1:28:16
  mess of the family that was living in the house before them.
• 1:28:20
  She catches Yebin, yes, his younger sister and her petty
• 1:28:24
  thievery at the 711 or whatever her type of convenience store
• 1:28:27
  and tries to intervene, tries to help her, tries to be a parental
• 1:28:33
  guidance figure, someone adult she going to trust.
• 1:28:36
  At least she is. Also, I need to shut it out
• 1:28:39
  because right now I have adoption, Korean adoption
• 1:28:41
  season, my podcast, but she's an adoptive mother to who I keep
• 1:28:45
  calling. His name's Ujib.
• 1:28:45
  I keep calling him Chani because he's Chani from SF9.
• 1:28:48
  Yes, he is. So he's Chani's adoptive mother
• 1:28:52
  because Chani's biological mother passed away, got ill and
• 1:28:55
  passed away. And that's his trauma that he
• 1:28:57
  has and part probably partially why they're so easy on him in a
• 1:29:01
  way. But yeah, so it's a stepmother,
• 1:29:05
  which is rare to have, like, again, such a wonderful
• 1:29:08
  relationship. Like, he really treats her as a
• 1:29:11
  mother. She really treats him as her own
• 1:29:13
  son. They truly love each other.
• 1:29:17
  No one could guess that she was the stepmom until it was, you
• 1:29:22
  know, brought up as gossip in the Sky Castle community.
• 1:29:28
  This is highly unusual. Like, to see this family be so
• 1:29:33
  successful was an outlier because, you know, she didn't
• 1:29:39
  come from money. The doctor husband also didn't
• 1:29:42
  come from money. He's an orphan.
• 1:29:45
  She's the daughter of an orphanage.
• 1:29:47
  She's the daughter of like an orphanage director, and she says
• 1:29:50
  that growing up she didn't even realize that she had parents
• 1:29:54
  because of the way she was treated in the OR.
• 1:29:56
  I wish I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
• 1:29:59
  Like you didn't know she had parents, so she was just kind.
• 1:30:02
  Of one of the orphanage kids, she thought she was one.
• 1:30:04
  Of the orphanage kids, she thought she was an orphan
• 1:30:06
  growing up because her parents, I guess like, did not treat her
• 1:30:09
  as a child of theirs. At all.
• 1:30:12
  So not specially not any more special.
• 1:30:14
  Than not any more special than any of the other orphanage kids.
• 1:30:16
  I guess all of these things taken together they are like a
• 1:30:21
  gorilla in the desert. They are like a totally out of
• 1:30:24
  place. I thought that them being
• 1:30:28
  disruptors in this little community was brilliant.
• 1:30:32
  By being normal, they're just normal.
• 1:30:34
  Yeah. And then being just normal and
• 1:30:37
  wonderfully mundane in this community was great.
• 1:30:41
  You always, I always like those stories of like the poor girl
• 1:30:45
  and the rich guy. This is like the poor family
• 1:30:49
  suddenly elevated to this different status in this
• 1:30:53
  different community and all of a sudden they are.
• 1:30:57
  Their values do not align with everybody else's values.
• 1:31:01
  Well, it's interesting and we're going to talk about this family
• 1:31:04
  later, but the way she is from the pretty much similar
• 1:31:07
  background to Yesso's mom's family, but they're being from
• 1:31:11
  and same with even like the pyramid dad, they're from these
• 1:31:13
  like more humble beginnings compared to everybody else in
• 1:31:16
  Sky Castle. But the dad, yes, sorry, this
• 1:31:20
  pyramid dad, Yesso's mom approach it with like this
• 1:31:22
  ferociousness like we need to be, we have to be.
• 1:31:25
  It's an imperative that everybody gets pulled as high as
• 1:31:29
  they can on up the pyramid ladder to the very top.
• 1:31:32
  Yeah. So if that means like cheating
• 1:31:34
  or whatever, like almost to that point of almost, they actually
• 1:31:37
  don't condone cheating, but they're almost to that point of
• 1:31:39
  like, OK, get me the best coordinator.
• 1:31:41
  If I have to open a bank account, if I have to spend my
• 1:31:43
  mother in You think you're so righteous
• 1:32:01
  with your humility and your like common man story, but like
• 1:32:04
  actually you also live here with the elite so don't pat yourself
• 1:32:08
  in the back too hard. Exactly.
• 1:32:10
  So you're you're in this like zoo with the rest of us.
• 1:32:13
  So I don't understand why you're like thinking that you're out in
• 1:32:15
  the wild and you're above us. In some ways.
• 1:32:19
  I understood their animosity toward her because at first when
• 1:32:24
  they meet her and they're wondering how her son does so
• 1:32:27
  well in school, and she's like, yeah, he just says, well, like,
• 1:32:30
  he just studies. It's nothing.
• 1:32:32
  It's not a big deal. And they realize that she looks
• 1:32:35
  down on people who send their kids to the Hagwan, who are
• 1:32:40
  super concerned with the grades and who have this, their
• 1:32:45
  mentality, the sky castle mentality, right?
• 1:32:48
  They immediately shun her. And I was like, you know what?
• 1:32:52
  If I was there, I would shun her too because that was bullshit.
• 1:32:56
  Like how can she look down on them?
• 1:32:59
  Like because if I I feel like if I had the means I would do the
• 1:33:04
  same thing. Not to their level, obviously.
• 1:33:07
  I yeah. And I think it's also like.
• 1:33:09
  Within my like US western centric way, I would get tutors
• 1:33:14
  for my kids if they were struggling in math.
• 1:33:16
  I would like you know, do you hire people if they needed it
• 1:33:20
  and not just struggle, just hit your head against the wall
• 1:33:23
  because you know, you're bad at me, you suck at math, OK,
• 1:33:26
  whatever. Like you know what I'm saying?
• 1:33:28
  Well, because she's privileged in a different way.
• 1:33:30
  She is still the wife of a surgeon, which is what the rest
• 1:33:33
  of them are too. So it's not like she is just
• 1:33:35
  like a little Bo Peep over here or somebody.
• 1:33:37
  And then also she, her son is just naturally gifted, naturally
• 1:33:42
  actively kind. He doesn't.
• 1:33:44
  He's number one and #2 neck and neck with henna and yes.
• 1:33:47
  So without having to resort to like Hagwan or coordinators or
• 1:33:53
  whatever, he's extremely charming and affable.
• 1:33:55
  He's like about to be, He could be student council president.
• 1:33:57
  He'd be a shoo in the twins, tell him, and he's like, I don't
• 1:33:59
  even care. And then he's like, actually,
• 1:34:00
  no, I do, because he's like, crush is gonna run.
• 1:34:02
  So he's like very like, he's just one of those people.
• 1:34:06
  Yeah, you have a perfect son and.
• 1:34:08
  This guys gonna walking down. At us because we don't have a
• 1:34:11
  perfect son. Like a perfect.
• 1:34:14
  It was annoying. She was immediately annoying in
• 1:34:16
  that respect, Yeah. And I wondered if you felt the
• 1:34:19
  same or if you felt some type of.
• 1:34:20
  Way I thought a couple things that I think redeemed her in a
• 1:34:23
  way for me because she was annoying a lot of these things
• 1:34:25
  were annoying about her and the fact that she's kind of
• 1:34:27
  self-righteous and kind of pretentious in a different way
• 1:34:29
  and she thought she's such a great mom, which she was but
• 1:34:32
  they thought they were great moms by being like this.
• 1:34:34
  It was just different perspectives in a way.
• 1:34:36
  Like even if like they're like, yeah, my kids going to suffer
• 1:34:39
  because I'm going to be a little tyrant for like however long,
• 1:34:41
  but then they're going to go to wherever and.
• 1:34:43
  That's it'll all be worse in their mind, it was all.
• 1:34:45
  Worth it in their mind, which I don't agree with it because then
• 1:34:48
  you have to suffer through four or however many years of Med
• 1:34:49
  school and then you know, then you're a surgeon for rest your
• 1:34:51
  life and that's not an easy life.
• 1:34:52
  So but whatever that was their outlook and hers was like this
• 1:34:55
  other one. But the things that redeemed, it
• 1:34:58
  was like they kind of show us Chani's family, the plant family
• 1:35:02
  after they've overcome and healed a lot of their familial
• 1:35:05
  wounds where like Chani says, there's time when I didn't like
• 1:35:07
  my mom and I was missing my real mom.
• 1:35:09
  And like there was Chandy used to act out as a younger person
• 1:35:13
  and then they now he like calls her mom and they like, she's
• 1:35:16
  like, Oh my God, my son. And like they have this super
• 1:35:18
  different dynamic. So we meet them here at this
• 1:35:20
  place where they're at now. So they've overcome their own
• 1:35:22
  obstacles and hurdles. So I was like, OK, I don't like
• 1:35:25
  kind of, I'm not so annoyed with her now because she definitely
• 1:35:27
  did struggle and didn't just have this like magically gifted
• 1:35:30
  perfect son, Although she herself is like, I do feel like
• 1:35:32
  this was just a gift from God I got for like no reason.
• 1:35:34
  This is perfect son. But they they do have these like
• 1:35:37
  issues. And then the dad is also like, I
• 1:35:41
  don't know, he's principled and things like that, but he's not
• 1:35:44
  about throwing a punch. You know, they're they're
• 1:35:45
  everything here is like, so like I'm dignified and I'm this and
• 1:35:48
  I'm not going to torture my kids and blah, blah.
• 1:35:50
  But then like he can be petty too, a little bit.
• 1:35:52
  And they have like the kind of their own little like hang ups
• 1:35:55
  that's different. So, and she's nosy as hell.
• 1:35:58
  Like why is she all up in their business?
• 1:35:59
  She. Is all up in their business like
• 1:36:02
  for many, many of their little things.
• 1:36:05
  I was like, OK, she should just like get away from yebin get in
• 1:36:08
  the car and drive away. I don't understand like that's
• 1:36:11
  not her child. Yeah, get away from.
• 1:36:14
  Young Jay's dad. Get away from young Jay, stop
• 1:36:17
  stalking the coordinator, get away from yebin.
• 1:36:19
  Like it's all like it gets to like the point such as you're
• 1:36:22
  like, that's weird, like. She's doing too much.
• 1:36:24
  And and she was self-serving in her in her own way because she
• 1:36:30
  wanted to write a book about all the happenings in Sky Castle.
• 1:36:35
  And she was doing this maybe to make money, to make a name for
• 1:36:42
  herself as an author. She hadn't written a book in
• 1:36:44
  like over a decade. And so all of these things taken
• 1:36:47
  together, I'm like, she's not this perfect Angel who's like
• 1:36:50
  doing this out of the goodness of her heart either.
• 1:36:53
  There's a lot of things that play here that, you know, she's
• 1:36:56
  doing this out of pride, out of stubbornness.
• 1:36:59
  She has her own complexes and trauma.
• 1:37:03
  Even from this fact that she married an orphan, like there's
• 1:37:05
  nothing wrong with that, but it was interesting she married a
• 1:37:07
  kid, I mean a man at that point because.
• 1:37:10
  She didn't marry Kitch. She did not marry another.
• 1:37:12
  Kid, but that guy was in her or her parents orphanage or her
• 1:37:16
  whoever ran it orphanage that and then she was like also like
• 1:37:19
  trying to convey herself as like I'm this former educator
• 1:37:23
  children's book author who writes about these metaphorical
• 1:37:26
  stories about childhood trauma or some kind of trauma because
• 1:37:28
  her books were kind of harrowing and then she was like my my
• 1:37:32
  husband is a is someone who was orphaned and and also a widower
• 1:37:35
  and my son I'm not. OK, Mother Teresa, like, you
• 1:37:38
  know, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then she's like, I'm
• 1:37:43
  gonna be in touch. I'm gonna like hold you Evan's
• 1:37:45
  hand and find out what's really wrong with her 'cause no one's
• 1:37:47
  bothering to check with her. And she had a point, but she
• 1:37:49
  didn't have to be the one to make that point.
• 1:37:50
  You know, it's just very self-serving.
• 1:37:52
  Like she's like, I will be the one.
• 1:37:53
  And then when she went to write the book, people were like,
• 1:37:55
  seeing this book is like potentially tawdry, which I and
• 1:37:58
  tacky, but she's like, no, it's gonna be a search for justice.
• 1:38:01
  I was like, OK. I could understand, I could
• 1:38:03
  understand both viewpoints absolutely that she wanted to.
• 1:38:08
  It changed society and everyone was like, first of all, this is
• 1:38:11
  the hot Goss and #2 this is not going to change nothing.
• 1:38:15
  And I was like, yes, and yes, so like what everyone is saying,
• 1:38:20
  but also this is a witch hunt. So I understand why she feels
• 1:38:22
  threatened and cornered and why she would be.
• 1:38:26
  She feels she's stubborn and so she's going to do it anyway.
• 1:38:29
  So her writing the book, I, I mean, it was, she was very
• 1:38:33
  complex. Every character was complex, but
• 1:38:35
  she was very particularly complex because you could easily
• 1:38:39
  write her off as just being a good character.
• 1:38:42
  But I think she has a hero. Complex.
• 1:38:44
  The writing here is easy and because of that student who
• 1:38:47
  committed suicide, unfortunately or not because suicide, whatever
• 1:38:49
  got hit like whatever both happened, I guess she's trying
• 1:38:51
  to quit suicide and got hit by a truck and.
• 1:38:54
  She had her own trauma. On the scene, Yeah.
• 1:38:57
  And so she's trying to constantly save kids.
• 1:38:58
  It's like her whole thing. And yeah, so there's a lot
• 1:39:02
  definitely going on with her, Like, a lot, a lot.
• 1:39:04
  But it's interesting that she has besties with the Bob Gurley.
• 1:39:06
  Like they were tight. Yeah, they were tight.
• 1:39:08
  Yeah, for sure. So, Oh, did we want to talk
• 1:39:12
  about Tani, like, at all or or would you?
• 1:39:16
  Because he goes through, like, an epiphany at the end of the
• 1:39:18
  show after he gets in prison, which is, like, I realize, like,
• 1:39:22
  school is not anything. Yeah.
• 1:39:25
  He's like just done. Yeah, Oh my God, he did.
• 1:39:29
  He does time and it's not funny, but it's like he's just sent it
• 1:39:34
  to juvenile detention and like has a like hard think.
• 1:39:39
  We're kind of glancing over like the mock Jong of it because
• 1:39:41
  we're saving it for the last family.
• 1:39:44
  But yeah, like he does time a little bit for a few months.
• 1:39:49
  Yeah, he does a little bit of time actually, Channing and his
• 1:39:51
  other roles too. So he's like always, like
• 1:39:53
  wrongly accused, stuck in jail. Kuwait.
• 1:39:55
  Recent kid yeah, yeah. So anyway, but he.
• 1:40:00
  It was interesting he in jail was even more of an Angel than
• 1:40:02
  him at not in jail because he was like telling the other Ajima
• 1:40:06
  is like, oh, you didn't have to worry about me or like, hey,
• 1:40:08
  yeah. So like, chin up.
• 1:40:09
  And I was like, what is going on?
• 1:40:11
  Like here You're so almost ruined.
• 1:40:13
  You kind. Very kind to everyone who was
• 1:40:16
  ready to put him in jail for the rest of his life.
• 1:40:18
  Yeah. And make him take the blame for
• 1:40:21
  this murder. Anyway, that's that family.
• 1:40:25
  Anybody else that you want to talk about?
• 1:40:27
  Before we get to. Oh, hey, hey, and that should.
• 1:40:29
  We should we do that after or no?
• 1:40:31
  Well, we can do her with her family.
• 1:40:34
  OK. Oh gosh, oh gosh, it's all
• 1:40:36
  right. So this is the final family and
• 1:40:39
  I guess we'll just sit on this family for a a few minutes here.
• 1:40:44
  So Sojin is the mom Pixie Cup mom.
• 1:40:48
  This is the the main inciting family of the whole Sky Castle
• 1:40:53
  show. Yeah, she loses her marbles,
• 1:40:56
  basically. I mean, what do you have to say
• 1:41:00
  for this? Lady, so I wish sure, I wish
• 1:41:04
  there was way more to her back story.
• 1:41:06
  Maybe there was originally and they just they were like these
• 1:41:09
  episodes are getting longer and we don't have time and there's
• 1:41:10
  so many people. But she is the daughter
• 1:41:13
  originally of a blood and tripe seller butcher guy.
• 1:41:18
  And that's I guess extremely low class in crazy idea.
• 1:41:21
  I know much about it dirty job and she gets to know as a child
• 1:41:27
  E soem, which is plant lady because they are childhood
• 1:41:29
  schoolmates and something went down in their childhood where
• 1:41:32
  their friendship gets ruined because a rumor gets spread on
• 1:41:34
  school. Or maybe the rumor is the fact
• 1:41:35
  that she is the daughter of, I don't know what happened,
• 1:41:37
  daughter of a butcher, but something happens and she ends
• 1:41:39
  up hating her but the plant lady denies to this her adulthood
• 1:41:43
  years of like I know I wasn't the one who spread the rumor
• 1:41:45
  about you 'cause I was. Yeah, she didn't tell the truth
• 1:41:47
  about where her she lived and what her father did as right.
• 1:41:52
  And that and then somehow she ends up like even though he has
• 1:41:55
  this other girlfriend for a while and his station in life is
• 1:41:59
  way above hers. I don't know if it's like a
• 1:42:00
  surprise pregnancy and the surprise pregnancy was yes, so
• 1:42:02
  but somehow the Pixie Hut lady ends up marrying the surgeon guy
• 1:42:06
  and the her mother-in-law hates her guts.
• 1:42:08
  Oh yes, regards. And so she's like in repentance
• 1:42:11
  or something. You need to you need to make
• 1:42:13
  sure this daughter, yes, becomes third generation of doctors in
• 1:42:19
  our family that goes to stole National University medical
• 1:42:21
  school specifically. So you need to make that happen
• 1:42:23
  and then I might forgive you. Maybe.
• 1:42:25
  So that's like the big grudge against her that the
• 1:42:26
  mother-in-law has. And I just wish we had way more
• 1:42:29
  information on like the friendship, her childhood.
• 1:42:32
  Why was her dad was alcohol. We found her dad was an
• 1:42:34
  alcoholic and that abusive and she had lied.
• 1:42:38
  I didn't said Oh my my parents live in Australia and blah blah
• 1:42:40
  blah whatever. And like all these lies and she
• 1:42:43
  has a fake name. Like that's not even her real
• 1:42:44
  name. The name she has is one that's
• 1:42:46
  like I guess maybe easily recognizable as like lower
• 1:42:49
  status, lower class or poor or rural or I didn't know what it
• 1:42:51
  was. They were all laughing at her a
• 1:42:53
  real name once they find out what it is.
• 1:42:55
  And so it must be something recognizable in Korean of like
• 1:42:57
  oh, this is like people from maybe this kind of rural area.
• 1:43:00
  I don't know. I was just guessing, but yeah,
• 1:43:02
  like, I was like, would she be named like, you know, if you saw
• 1:43:05
  someone named like Billy Sue or something, like, I don't know,
• 1:43:08
  in the US you'd be like, oh, that's the one from the sticks,
• 1:43:10
  OK. You know, so or like, whatever.
• 1:43:13
  But. But yeah, so she has this giant
• 1:43:16
  chip on her shoulder of like, she has been down this path of
• 1:43:19
  like, or maybe not a path, but she was born into circumstances
• 1:43:21
  that was like kind of the lowest of the low.
• 1:43:23
  And she will never, ever get down to that level again.
• 1:43:26
  So she's going to do anything almost to get yes, so and her
• 1:43:30
  kids and and to stay in this station of life where she's
• 1:43:33
  achieved through marriage and whatever else.
• 1:43:34
  And I don't know how she got there.
• 1:43:36
  Did did did they say even though I've watched this like 4 times
• 1:43:38
  they did they really say? No, no, they never say how she
• 1:43:42
  meets her husband, how she bagged the husband, or how she
• 1:43:47
  got rid of the first love of her husband.
• 1:43:50
  I really think she just was the first one to be like, surprised
• 1:43:54
  I'm having your kid. Yeah, I think she just beat her
• 1:43:56
  to the punch. Yeah, I think she was just like,
• 1:43:58
  yeah, I'm pregnant and then. And maybe she saw it as like a
• 1:44:06
  yeah, take it in. Whereas like the other his other
• 1:44:09
  girlfriend either didn't tell him in time or like kept it from
• 1:44:13
  him intentionally or something to save him.
• 1:44:16
  Whereas This is why I was thinking like the other
• 1:44:18
  girlfriend that he had right before her didn't tell him on
• 1:44:21
  purpose. Maybe because she was like, he's
• 1:44:23
  the third or whatever generation, second generation
• 1:44:26
  doctor. I'm gonna interfere in his life.
• 1:44:28
  Let me just keep me in our. I mean, it was a matter of
• 1:44:30
  child, right? Like right, 2-3 months between
• 1:44:35
  their pregnancies when the ladies got pregnant with his
• 1:44:39
  children because. And maybe Yeso and Hannah are in
• 1:44:44
  the same. Year right, right and so then,
• 1:44:47
  but whereas yeso's mom, I think I'm just guessing cuz we don't
• 1:44:50
  get this in back story. It was saw this as like her way
• 1:44:52
  in. I'm gonna worm my way into the
• 1:44:54
  status and maybe hen asthma was like let me not bother him in
• 1:44:57
  his status and like disrupt his whole life and blah blah.
• 1:44:59
  Blah right? I I just want to pause here and
• 1:45:01
  say like if this drama was made 20 years ago, the drama would
• 1:45:06
  not be about Sojin. Like the Pixie cut mom, the
• 1:45:09
  protagonist or the mom would be the dying angelic mom who like
• 1:45:16
  left to save the goatee dad from the embarrassment of having a
• 1:45:23
  child out of wedlock and not being accepted into this rich
• 1:45:27
  family. And like that would be the K
• 1:45:30
  drama. That would be the story.
• 1:45:32
  I agree. I agree.
• 1:45:33
  I think it's funny that they centered it on this lady who's
• 1:45:37
  like a villain. But she is out of necessity.
• 1:45:41
  Like that's kind of why I loved her.
• 1:45:42
  I mean, I definitely loved her too.
• 1:45:43
  She didn't pick her as my top babe mom, but she she's kind of
• 1:45:46
  incredible because she really overcomes all this stuff and
• 1:45:49
  she's very conniving and she's very like, you know,
• 1:45:52
  manipulative or whatever. She'll do whatever because she
• 1:45:54
  has to. It's like survival skills go
• 1:45:56
  into effect and she does not care like she will.
• 1:45:59
  She'll humiliate herself in front of her mother-in-law as
• 1:46:00
  many times as needed because but at least she has to keep her
• 1:46:02
  station in life. She has to secure her children's
• 1:46:05
  station in life. She secures the legitimacy of
• 1:46:08
  her children and herself, her new fake identity, etcetera.
• 1:46:13
  And she, you know, just does all the self protecting things.
• 1:46:16
  But it's like there was a there was a reason for all that.
• 1:46:19
  It wasn't just superficial, like the way pyramid dads felt very
• 1:46:22
  like self-serving a dumb way Dad.
• 1:46:25
  Yeah, yeah. So I loved her and her conniving
• 1:46:29
  ways. Yeah, she's she's cool to watch.
• 1:46:32
  I mean, she's compelling to watch because she makes terrible
• 1:46:38
  decisions. You question whether she loves
• 1:46:41
  her children. You get that she loves her
• 1:46:44
  children, but you're like, does she really?
• 1:46:47
  She definitely has a favorite that was.
• 1:46:49
  The OH clearly has a favorite child, like Yeso is for sure her
• 1:46:53
  favorite child. The fact that she didn't have a
• 1:46:56
  son was a blow to her legitimacy as a daughter-in-law in that
• 1:47:03
  family because sons are so obviously favored.
• 1:47:06
  The mother-in-law clearly wanted a grandson, not a granddaughter.
• 1:47:14
  She's automatically trying to make up lost ground for not
• 1:47:19
  providing an heir. She is trying to foster her
• 1:47:23
  daughter into this third generation doctor that the the
• 1:47:27
  mother-in-law wanted. So she's she's like, OK, if you
• 1:47:30
  can't have the son who's a doctor, I'll give you the
• 1:47:33
  granddaughter who's a dog. Like instead of a grandson, a
• 1:47:37
  granddaughter who's a doctor, the third generation doctor that
• 1:47:41
  you so desperately want. This objective does not leave
• 1:47:46
  her body for 20 episodes. I mean.
• 1:47:51
  She's so intense. She's so intense.
• 1:47:53
  Honestly, all of these Sky Castle families are looking for
• 1:47:57
  lawyers, Wall Street, elite Ivy League schools.
• 1:48:00
  That's that's the level to which they aspire.
• 1:48:04
  A successful child will elevate the mother's status and she's
• 1:48:10
  looking for that acceptance from the mother-in-law.
• 1:48:14
  But not only the mother-in-law, because she's lying to her kids
• 1:48:16
  and she's going to keep up that life for life.
• 1:48:18
  She does not care and she doesn't have any qualms about
• 1:48:20
  it. And she's not even like she's
• 1:48:21
  nothing. It's just like she's very like
• 1:48:23
  this is an imperative, which is. Why?
• 1:48:25
  I thought she might be like, a psychopath because she so coolly
• 1:48:30
  lies to her children about her own identity for so long their
• 1:48:37
  entire lives. She's lying.
• 1:48:38
  She has fake parents that she sends them to see in Sydney,
• 1:48:43
  Australia. Someone like, yeah, like she
• 1:48:46
  hires people. And what kind of a person
• 1:48:51
  devotes themselves to the lie? I think a person like her, she
• 1:48:55
  has lived such a difficult life at the lowest status you can be
• 1:49:00
  in Korean society. I'm assuming short of maybe
• 1:49:02
  being unhoused or something, I don't know, but I think.
• 1:49:05
  It's also in her head. No.
• 1:49:08
  Yeah, is what I'm trying to get at.
• 1:49:09
  Is that like she's not well, she's built, she has this drive.
• 1:49:14
  Yeah, she's built the. Drive and ambition and the like,
• 1:49:19
  whatever that is, it is true. It's true because again, even
• 1:49:22
  though the orphanage dad, the guy who was in orphanage and
• 1:49:26
  married the plant lady, the pyramid dad, they also had
• 1:49:29
  difficult, so easy lives in their younger years.
• 1:49:32
  They they're not like that. Like they're all kind of, I
• 1:49:34
  mean, not the plant dad, but they're all kind of crazy, but
• 1:49:37
  not to her level. Like she's got another different
• 1:49:39
  fire and the way she gets pissed off, the way she grabs the
• 1:49:43
  beautiful hair lady with by the hair and it was like, I will
• 1:49:46
  kill you. I don't even care.
• 1:49:47
  No. No, no, she's threatening to
• 1:49:48
  kill people left and right like she's playing a game.
• 1:49:51
  She plays a game of chicken with the plant lady where she runs
• 1:49:55
  her off the road and threatens to kill her.
• 1:49:57
  Like she is aggressive, crazy, like she's crazy.
• 1:50:03
  So I think that's why it's so like the writers making Henna
• 1:50:06
  like her match her counterpart. They see each other in each
• 1:50:09
  other. It's themselves in each other.
• 1:50:11
  I should say so, cuz like they can match each other's crazy cuz
• 1:50:14
  Henna too. She is.
• 1:50:15
  She has no other fucks left to give.
• 1:50:18
  Her mom is dead. Yeah.
• 1:50:19
  She's like, she's got nothing. She's got to survive for real.
• 1:50:22
  Like she's got to do something. Like I have nothing left to
• 1:50:25
  lose. Yeah, she's nothing to lose.
• 1:50:27
  She has No Fear. She has no nothing.
• 1:50:28
  And when she leaves her tries to leave her in the forest, she
• 1:50:30
  turns around and gets her gets her because I think she realizes
• 1:50:33
  like Hannah doesn't even like on some level, Hannah doesn't care.
• 1:50:35
  You can leave her in the forest. Hannah doesn't even care or cry
• 1:50:37
  or anything. She's like and what?
• 1:50:39
  So she turns around and gets her because she's like, why?
• 1:50:40
  May as well just go get her because it's they both are kind
• 1:50:43
  of a match for each other in a way, because they're both lived
• 1:50:46
  the most desperate circumstances.
• 1:50:48
  I think either of them can imagine like being in and then
• 1:50:51
  they're like here in this like sky Castle and as like this
• 1:50:54
  charity case got to go to Sky Castle because she's like,
• 1:50:57
  they're whatever. I don't know, like diversity
• 1:50:59
  person. She's not wealthy and all that
• 1:51:02
  kind of and stuff. But then she like points out all
• 1:51:04
  these like, you know, injustices or unfairness and special
• 1:51:08
  treatments and different things like that.
• 1:51:11
  Somehow works her way into and of course the coordinator gets
• 1:51:14
  her there into the house, finds out who her dad is like that,
• 1:51:18
  that things just go crazy. Like after a certain point, it's
• 1:51:21
  just like your brain is exploding with information
• 1:51:24
  that's coming out about this family left and right.
• 1:51:27
  I just I haven't my notes. I have one note.
• 1:51:30
  This is from like episodes 3 through 5 early because after
• 1:51:34
  episode 5 I stopped taking notes.
• 1:51:36
  I would have a thesis if I tried to take notes on this show.
• 1:51:40
  Definitely. Yeah, but I have here in all
• 1:51:42
  caps. Pixie Cut is a raving
• 1:51:44
  psychopath. She's manipulative towards the
• 1:51:47
  teacher. By teacher I mean the
• 1:51:49
  coordinator doing everything she can to get her back, bribing her
• 1:51:53
  with gold bars and fancy packed homemade food, handwritten
• 1:51:56
  apology notes. Until finally she prostrates
• 1:51:59
  herself on her knees, crying for forgiveness.
• 1:52:01
  It looks sincere, her promise that she would be OK if her
• 1:52:05
  family turned into a disaster just like the other one,
• 1:52:08
  Yongja's family. That she'll be OK with teachers
• 1:52:11
  methods. But in the hallway she smirks.
• 1:52:14
  Riley like a fox, like a crazy person, like a psychopath.
• 1:52:20
  Because the amount of times that these women were twirling
• 1:52:25
  mustaches with each other, especially the coordinator and
• 1:52:30
  the Pixie cut. Yeah, another good match for
• 1:52:33
  each other. They were well matched as well.
• 1:52:36
  Those three like Hannah this, which is a student, She's she's
• 1:52:40
  a teenager, She's 17 years old, 17 or 18 years old.
• 1:52:44
  So Hannah Pixie cut, one of the mom central mom and the
• 1:52:50
  coordinator who we haven't even fucking gotten to that bitch.
• 1:52:53
  Yeah, we haven't gotten to. Those three are like the Trinity
• 1:52:58
  of the show. They are so well matched against
• 1:53:03
  each other and it is like K drama crack to see them up
• 1:53:08
  against each other. It is amazing.
• 1:53:11
  And again, like this Pixie cut lady is diabolical.
• 1:53:16
  Yep, you know she gets in the plant lady's face.
• 1:53:18
  The the line she kept saying to her, which is from their
• 1:53:20
  childhood, and she even also says that I think to the hair
• 1:53:22
  lady, but she's gonna rip your lips off your face, which I'm
• 1:53:25
  sure is like maybe a Korean common insult, but it's just
• 1:53:28
  like it sounds so much cooler than like I'll kick your ass and
• 1:53:30
  English. She's like, I will rip your lips
• 1:53:32
  off your face. I'll rip your lips.
• 1:53:34
  Off my face. Oh, my God.
• 1:53:36
  Rip your mouth. And you have no doubt.
• 1:53:37
  Yeah, You have no doubt she'll do it.
• 1:53:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:53:40
  Rip your mouth. Yeah.
• 1:53:41
  Something she's gonna do something.
• 1:53:42
  She's gonna rip your mouth. I just think she's a in various
• 1:53:46
  points you're like, oh, she's got us together and then
• 1:53:48
  suddenly she's a fucking lunatic.
• 1:53:51
  Yeah, it's got to be stifling to act like live a lie every day,
• 1:53:55
  24/7 to everyone. Yeah, to have like those crazy
• 1:53:58
  eyes and be intimidating, just actively intimidating people who
• 1:54:07
  for all intents and purposes, they're your friend, right?
• 1:54:12
  The moment. I like the moment when she outs
• 1:54:15
  herself with the plant lady. Oh yeah, that was crazy.
• 1:54:19
  In the in the clubhouse. Well, what about in the
• 1:54:21
  clubhouse too? Yeah.
• 1:54:23
  But yeah, in the street. In this for everyone's street
• 1:54:26
  and this is an early episode when she says her famous I'll
• 1:54:29
  rip your lips off your face or something, whatever that is.
• 1:54:33
  Yeah. And plant lady's like Oh my God,
• 1:54:37
  it's you. And she's like oh shit.
• 1:54:42
  I just gave it away that I'm this girl from her past and we
• 1:54:46
  went to school together and we have this little history.
• 1:54:50
  I love that moment because again, she's just.
• 1:54:54
  It's like a rabid animal. Like this lady.
• 1:54:57
  The Pixie cut lady acts like a rabid animal at times.
• 1:55:01
  That's what I'm saying. Like she's kind of feral because
• 1:55:04
  of how she grew up. Like she grew up unparented.
• 1:55:06
  She grew up with everyone hating her by virtue of where her
• 1:55:10
  station in life was, which she had no control over because she
• 1:55:12
  was a baby slash child. She believes she's been betrayed
• 1:55:16
  by her bestie. She trusts no one and she kind
• 1:55:18
  of isn't like she can, she's like this.
• 1:55:21
  And not to excuse it or anything, but just like she's a
• 1:55:23
  reason for why and how she can be so diabolical.
• 1:55:25
  And henna can kind of identify with it because she kind of has
• 1:55:29
  somewhat similar stuff going on where like a single mom, very
• 1:55:33
  poor sick mom, you know, knows she's better than everyone, at
• 1:55:37
  least academically and hates it, you know what I mean?
• 1:55:39
  So they kind of have these like chips on their shoulder And and
• 1:55:42
  it's interesting because even other people who come from the
• 1:55:45
  sheep, I guess comes from the worst social background the the
• 1:55:49
  the Pixie cut lady. But yeah, it's I try to just
• 1:55:52
  juxtapose her to the, I mean, probably orphanage parents
• 1:55:56
  weren't wealthy. So the plant mom is not like
• 1:55:59
  that. The orphan dad is not like that.
• 1:56:02
  The pyramid dad is not like her. Like, nobody is quite like her
• 1:56:05
  except for Hannah's, like the closest, but she's like another
• 1:56:08
  level. Oh.
• 1:56:12
  My God, it's like these she's there's so many moments that we
• 1:56:16
  could talk about with Pixie cut, but.
• 1:56:18
  Well, we need to go back to the coordinator because we fully
• 1:56:20
  glossed over her, OK? And we need to talk about the
• 1:56:22
  Goatee dad because we also glossed like that.
• 1:56:25
  We haven't talked about like the rest of the families too,
• 1:56:27
  because they're so, they're so important.
• 1:56:30
  So what do you want to what do you want to say about the Goatee
• 1:56:32
  Dad? I want to say that I mean it
• 1:56:36
  gets very mock Jungy, but I did like his acting despite it
• 1:56:39
  because he it is like crazy to be like, wait, you're telling me
• 1:56:42
  the person I sent to another hospital for possible surgery so
• 1:56:45
  I could like win favor with my boss or whatever to state, you
• 1:56:49
  know, treat his grandson is my daughter and like.
• 1:56:53
  That was like the best twist though.
• 1:56:55
  Like it was the most mock Jungy thing in the whole show.
• 1:56:58
  Yeah, but I lived it up because he deserved it.
• 1:57:03
  Not to say, oh God, this is terrible what he said, but like,
• 1:57:06
  I'm just they're. Not real people, they're not.
• 1:57:07
  Real people. This is a drama, but he fucking
• 1:57:10
  deserved what he got. He Hannah Hannah did not deserve
• 1:57:14
  it. Did not deserve to die.
• 1:57:17
  No. But the Father deserved that
• 1:57:23
  reckoning and that sort of cosmic punishment that he got.
• 1:57:29
  It's weird because the whole time he's kind of more affable
• 1:57:32
  compared to his wife. So you kind of don't like harbor
• 1:57:34
  ill will towards? That's what I mean.
• 1:57:37
  But then it this takes you out so hard and then you're like.
• 1:57:39
  He progressively gets more frustrating, especially because
• 1:57:44
  you realize even though he looks down, he looks down on his wife
• 1:57:48
  for her background, her upbringing, and he supports her
• 1:57:52
  lying to the children and the whole neighbourhood about her
• 1:57:56
  name and her identity and everything about her.
• 1:58:00
  He supports that because he's embarrassed about her.
• 1:58:03
  Plus he is super interested in upward mobility at work, so he's
• 1:58:10
  doing everything he can to get in the good graces of that
• 1:58:15
  chief. That old turtle, 1000 year old
• 1:58:18
  turtle as they called him. Like that was his nickname
• 1:58:20
  because they hated him and that whole thing.
• 1:58:24
  He was such a hypocrite. Yeah, because he did act like
• 1:58:28
  kind of holier than that in many ways.
• 1:58:30
  Like he's like, well, I'm not as bad as that everyone else here
• 1:58:33
  almost like the plant lady. But yet he had like terrible
• 1:58:36
  like the workplace politics of this.
• 1:58:39
  That piece of this drama was also interesting, if you're into
• 1:58:41
  that, because he is doing the most to like, manipulate
• 1:58:44
  something there and like, make make the other surgeon the
• 1:58:48
  husband of the beautiful hair lady, his lackey in a way,
• 1:58:51
  almost just like it's assumed that he's going to be the one up
• 1:58:54
  for promotion because he's like, yeah, I was number one, top of
• 1:58:57
  my class. So whatever he was like 20 or 30
• 1:58:59
  years ago. And they were building, the
• 1:59:01
  writer was building this case against him where Doctor Huang
• 1:59:05
  had already investigated him low key for his patient outcomes,
• 1:59:11
  because seemingly all his patients have terrible outcomes.
• 1:59:14
  They are in chronic pain, they don't end up well, and they have
• 1:59:20
  more issues after he does surgery on them.
• 1:59:22
  So. But his economic metrics are on
• 1:59:25
  point because he turns those patients out of their beds so
• 1:59:29
  fast. Yeah, he turns.
• 1:59:31
  Fast and he's making a lot of money for the hospital.
• 1:59:33
  So whatever he's doing is making patients spend more money at the
• 1:59:38
  hospital. So he's giving surgery, he's
• 1:59:41
  making them get surgeries when maybe they don't need surgeries
• 1:59:45
  and maybe they can use alternative methods, maybe
• 1:59:48
  injections or physical therapy and different other methods that
• 1:59:52
  can fix their issues without resorting to surgery, which is
• 1:59:57
  the most expensive option. All of these like unethical
• 2:00:02
  practices within the hospital, which is run like a business.
• 2:00:05
  And unfortunately, like, it's like that in the United States
• 2:00:07
  as well, is they're really building this case that he's not
• 2:00:11
  a very good doctor. Or he is, but he's not providing
• 2:00:13
  appropriate care. Like maybe he knows what to do,
• 2:00:15
  but he doesn't care about that. He cares more about like
• 2:00:16
  himself. Looking good.
• 2:00:17
  Exactly so. Then we get to this part of the
• 2:00:21
  show where mysteriously Hannah falls from like the fifth floor
• 2:00:27
  of the clubhouse during Ozo. With the Esso in the bedroom
• 2:00:30
  next door. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:00:33
  We don't know which kid did it or if a child of the Sky Castle
• 2:00:37
  crew did it and she is severely injured.
• 2:00:41
  She needs a. Surgery.
• 2:00:43
  Emergency surgery. She's eternally bleeding I
• 2:00:47
  think. She's a bright She's got like a
• 2:00:48
  brain bleed or something. So she needs a surgery from the
• 2:00:50
  neurosurgeon, Dr. Huang, the plant lady's husband, right?
• 2:00:55
  Because at this point, Goatee dad has finagled his way into
• 2:01:00
  getting a promotion and he's like the chief of the spine and
• 2:01:04
  Joint Center or something. He's also head of like.
• 2:01:08
  Yeah, Yeah. He's chief of like something
• 2:01:11
  finances. Yeah.
• 2:01:13
  Instead of the chief of the joint and spine center, which is
• 2:01:16
  what the Doctor Huang is the plant lady's husband.
• 2:01:19
  Yeah. Anyway, he got a higher
• 2:01:21
  position. He like wheeled and dealed and
• 2:01:24
  he's got a higher position and he changes the order of the
• 2:01:27
  surgeries. Because the because Turtle's
• 2:01:30
  grandson was in a some kind of accident as well the same.
• 2:01:33
  State. The.
• 2:01:35
  Hospital director's grandson, 9 year old grandson also came in
• 2:01:39
  with a very almost an identical injury.
• 2:01:43
  Also needs brain surgery. But after henna.
• 2:01:46
  That's but he came in after henna.
• 2:01:49
  So they prioritized him just cause of who he is and henna got
• 2:01:53
  transported to another hospital which there's no time for that
• 2:01:56
  and he knows. That, and he knows that.
• 2:01:58
  He knows he just doomed henna, he was very unlikely that she
• 2:02:01
  was going to make it to another hospital to receive this life
• 2:02:04
  saving surgery and he basically kills his own daughter.
• 2:02:10
  But doesn't know at the time that she is his daughter.
• 2:02:13
  So good. That's why I said it's so good,
• 2:02:18
  because like, you're there and the audience knows and this
• 2:02:22
  fucking bitch Pixie cut knows that's his daughter and doesn't
• 2:02:28
  say shit. To him that entire time and then
• 2:02:32
  Channy crying his a little heart out for her so heartbreaking, so
• 2:02:37
  hard to drink and then getting arrested for it.
• 2:02:39
  OK, we can't go back to we can't go back to Channy right now
• 2:02:40
  anyways. We already talked about that.
• 2:02:42
  Yeah. But yeah, so he gets trained
• 2:02:43
  for. Him that's murder later but yeah
• 2:02:45
  the dad fucking himself over because of his unethical.
• 2:02:52
  And mind you, as a viewer, we're already grappling with the fact
• 2:02:55
  that Yesso and Henna are sisters, almost like twins or
• 2:02:58
  Irish twins, whoever know of it. I don't know if that's offensive
• 2:03:00
  or not, but I know that that's like a phrase some people use
• 2:03:02
  sometimes. But because they're so close in
• 2:03:04
  age, I mean, they're from different mothers, so it's a
• 2:03:05
  different situation. But they are.
• 2:03:07
  They're half sisters enemies. And half.
• 2:03:09
  Sisters and they hate each other they hate each other she's.
• 2:03:12
  Tight with Yebbing and she's Yebbing sister too.
• 2:03:15
  Half sister too. So that's like another crazy
• 2:03:17
  component. She is the one person that.
• 2:03:20
  Right. So here's the.
• 2:03:21
  Here's the order. If if people that are listening
• 2:03:24
  and they don't intend on watching Crack Castle.
• 2:03:26
  So it's Pixie Cut is married to the goatee.
• 2:03:29
  I'm sorry, I just have to make this clear.
• 2:03:30
  So Pixie Cut is married to the goatee Dr. Yeah, they have two
• 2:03:35
  daughters. One is Yeso, who's at the center
• 2:03:38
  of this whole freaking thing. She's the one in high school and
• 2:03:41
  in high school, and she has a younger sister or a younger
• 2:03:45
  daughter in middle school, in middle school named Yebin.
• 2:03:47
  So Yeso and Yebin and Henna who goes to school with you?
• 2:03:52
  So. And they fucking hate each
• 2:03:55
  other. They're both neck and neck for
• 2:03:57
  #1 Hannah is a bit like Channy. Who would you would you?
• 2:04:03
  I was like what? Where is he?
• 2:04:05
  Would you? He's also like they're they
• 2:04:08
  don't go to like Hogwan or whatever.
• 2:04:09
  And they're both really good. And she like tutors people for
• 2:04:11
  cash because she's a very sick mom who's single mom.
• 2:04:14
  She's know who her dad is and she eventually finds out.
• 2:04:17
  It's go T, Dad. It's go T, Dad.
• 2:04:19
  And goatee dad basically condemns her to.
• 2:04:22
  Death without realizing that that's his daughter without
• 2:04:26
  realizing he didn't even know he had another daughter.
• 2:04:27
  Yeah. Yeah, but guess who's?
• 2:04:29
  New so much. Picks a cut.
• 2:04:31
  Picks a cut new. The fact that she hides that
• 2:04:34
  from him for. Over a.
• 2:04:36
  Year and she does seem like she's gonna tell him or tries to
• 2:04:40
  tell him or wants to tell him or something, but then does it and
• 2:04:42
  then can just sit the way she just sits with that with at the
• 2:04:45
  dinner table and like Henna's like playing her and like
• 2:04:48
  wrapping around her finger and saying things like I want to sit
• 2:04:50
  at the dinner table with Ebbing and I want to lie lay in the bed
• 2:04:52
  with Ebbing and I want blah, blah, blah.
• 2:04:53
  And she's giving herself she wants so she doesn't tell her
• 2:04:56
  husband like, you know, I'm your daughter.
• 2:04:58
  But then at the same time as calmly sitting with her at the
• 2:05:00
  breakfast table or dinner table or whatever, I just was like.
• 2:05:02
  I'm like, she's just like, that's why I said she's like.
• 2:05:05
  She's just like I thought she was.
• 2:05:07
  The Pixie cut is a psycho. Exactly, exactly.
• 2:05:11
  You have to just be. You have to be out of your mind.
• 2:05:14
  So then he's OK. So the goatee dad is grieving
• 2:05:17
  like crazy because he's like, he's just like an utter.
• 2:05:19
  Well, when Yeben tells him finally so his younger daughter
• 2:05:22
  Yeben being the one to tell. Oh my.
• 2:05:25
  God. Oh, what a moment.
• 2:05:29
  Because she's like he, Oh my God, it's just, are you even
• 2:05:32
  human? Are you even a person?
• 2:05:34
  Because Oh my God, it's so mocked on because the Pixie cut,
• 2:05:39
  Pixie cut says, oh, today is Henna's funeral.
• 2:05:43
  He goes, oh, I'm going golfing with, you know, so and so.
• 2:05:49
  And she's like I've told you for multiple days now, two days to
• 2:05:52
  funeral you, you have to come. You need to come.
• 2:05:56
  You're going to regret it if you don't come.
• 2:05:59
  And she still doesn't just say Still.
• 2:06:01
  Fucking doesn't tell him that's your daughter.
• 2:06:04
  Come to the funeral of your daughter.
• 2:06:08
  She's like, you'll regret it, OK, Why?
• 2:06:10
  Why will he regret it? Why?
• 2:06:11
  She doesn't say it. She doesn't say she's a coward.
• 2:06:13
  She's instead gathering his golf clubs and all that crap.
• 2:06:16
  Like I was getting so mad. Oh my God.
• 2:06:18
  So then he goes golfing, he comes back drunk as a skunk, and
• 2:06:23
  that's when Yevin, his youngest daughter.
• 2:06:27
  We had to be find out. I forgot, I forgot.
• 2:06:30
  How does she find out? Oh, because the whole community
• 2:06:35
  starts to find out. Hair overheard Hannah and Nesso
• 2:06:42
  arguing the day of the accident, the morning of the accident, and
• 2:06:47
  that's when she realizes, oh, they're siblings.
• 2:06:50
  They're half siblings. That's cock Goss, she tells Bob
• 2:06:54
  Cut. This is crazy.
• 2:06:56
  And then they. Pyramid dad's wife.
• 2:06:59
  Yeah, Pyramid dad's wife and they talk with Pixie Cut at the
• 2:07:04
  funeral girl. They're sitting down like in the
• 2:07:07
  funeral hall talking with Bixie Cut and they let it slip cause
• 2:07:12
  side swept hair is a big blobbermouth.
• 2:07:15
  She's talking loud all the time. That's right, and Yeben over
• 2:07:19
  and. Yeben walks by and overhears and
• 2:07:21
  she's like Oh my God, even more devastated.
• 2:07:23
  She was the only person who showed the proper amount of
• 2:07:28
  sadness and grief toward. Him she loved.
• 2:07:31
  Tenna she loved. Her, yeah.
• 2:07:34
  Except Channy. Poor Channy.
• 2:07:35
  Yeah, except Channy who like loved her too, but it like
• 2:07:38
  differently romantically. Romantically loved her, yeah,
• 2:07:41
  yeah. But Uju was also her friend.
• 2:07:42
  So true. True, true.
• 2:07:44
  So anyway, so yeben that night her dad didn't show for the
• 2:07:48
  funeral, comes back drunk as a skunk after golf.
• 2:07:51
  She gives them hell. She's like, aren't you in bed?
• 2:07:54
  She says something like, aren't you embarrassed to be like this
• 2:07:58
  when your daughter, you didn't attend your daughter's funeral,
• 2:08:02
  like Hannah's your daughter, I think she says you can't even
• 2:08:06
  call yourself a human, right? Something like that.
• 2:08:09
  And I love that line that she said you're inhuman.
• 2:08:13
  Well, he. Didn't know but like so it's a
• 2:08:15
  bit unfair but also. Also.
• 2:08:17
  I also I do. Already skipped it.
• 2:08:20
  You can't. You can't.
• 2:08:20
  Yeah, you can move golf, right. I think he.
• 2:08:23
  Skips it because he does feel guilty that he knows he sent
• 2:08:26
  some girl to her untimely death. Yes, and it's a girl he knows
• 2:08:29
  because whether or not he knows it's their daughter.
• 2:08:30
  He knows Hannah. He knows.
• 2:08:31
  Living in your house. Yeah, his house, so he knows.
• 2:08:33
  Henna, classmate of his daughters, tutor of his other
• 2:08:37
  daughter. It's not like she's just nobody
• 2:08:40
  rando. He knew her.
• 2:08:41
  And lived in her house ate her his food he offered her a raise
• 2:08:46
  or whatever extra pocket money whatever when you having did
• 2:08:48
  well so they had this established relationship.
• 2:08:51
  It hits him so hard like a ton of bricks when ya been says that
• 2:08:55
  and he can't cope. He just can't cope.
• 2:08:57
  He's like having a nervous breakdown from his mom at the
• 2:08:59
  like, fancy wherever she's hanging out with her.
• 2:09:02
  Friends, I love that and he just embarrasses the shit out of her
• 2:09:05
  and I'm like do it, say it louder, wailed loudly.
• 2:09:09
  And she doesn't care. She does not care because she's
• 2:09:11
  very single minded and she still wants him to be the head of
• 2:09:15
  blah, blah, whatever CFO or whatever he is at this hospital
• 2:09:18
  and wants. Yeah, So to be third generation
• 2:09:21
  doctor, he is like, I'm quitting.
• 2:09:22
  I don't even want to work. I don't want to be a surgeon.
• 2:09:25
  I don't wanna do this anymore. This, this pursuit of yours.
• 2:09:28
  He's like, it wasn't even my pursuit.
• 2:09:29
  I don't know, 'cause it was your pursuit for me.
• 2:09:32
  It almost kills me. It does kill my daughter.
• 2:09:35
  You don't even care, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:09:37
  And it's just like this whole breakdown of communications,
• 2:09:39
  which I feel like it again, like some Asian cultures and not say
• 2:09:43
  other cultures don't, but I can only speak for my culture.
• 2:09:46
  There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that where it's
• 2:09:47
  like people are so single minded about whatever thing, whatever
• 2:09:50
  they deem to be success or whatever the goal is that
• 2:09:53
  everything else does fall to the wayside.
• 2:09:55
  She doesn't care what he wants. That's not the point.
• 2:09:58
  She doesn't care that someone died, you know, necessarily if
• 2:10:01
  it means like, you know, he's not gonna be CFO of this
• 2:10:03
  hospital, right? Or whatever it is.
• 2:10:05
  She, that is her thing forever. She's 70, whatever years old,
• 2:10:08
  however old she is, I don't know.
• 2:10:09
  Still, she's like this in her eyes, that's her son and her son
• 2:10:12
  has to be the best. Doesn't matter that he's 45
• 2:10:14
  years old or whatever. Whatever he is, Yeah, Yeah.
• 2:10:18
  It's kind of crazy, but. It's super crazy because she's
• 2:10:21
  like, yeah, why don't we talk somewhere else?
• 2:10:24
  How how can you do this in front of all of the customers?
• 2:10:28
  And he's like, my daughter, you're not hearing me.
• 2:10:31
  My I killed my daughter. Which is her granddaughter.
• 2:10:36
  Her granddaughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:10:38
  Yeah, just as much as yeah so and yeah, Bean, but she does not
• 2:10:41
  really care. Yeah, like she's so single.
• 2:10:43
  She's like, this is so embarrassing.
• 2:10:44
  Like I had my own. She's like, what about my soup?
• 2:10:47
  I put in an order soup so oh. My God, like, slap some sense
• 2:10:53
  into these people. And he finally does have this
• 2:10:57
  cathartic moment where he tells his mother, you know, I never
• 2:11:01
  even wanted to go to medical school.
• 2:11:03
  That was something that you wanted to do.
• 2:11:05
  So I'm giving up your dream, not my dad.
• 2:11:08
  I love those moments. That she wanted for him.
• 2:11:10
  There's so much living vicariously in a way through
• 2:11:13
  your kids. And like, again, this whole
• 2:11:15
  concept of like their success is yours to own and keep in a way.
• 2:11:19
  Yeah. And it was.
• 2:11:20
  And it's a credit to you. It's so weird in a way because
• 2:11:23
  I, I don't think we have this, I guess throughout the US, if it
• 2:11:26
  may be in, I don't know, Korean American communities, I don't
• 2:11:29
  know. But it doesn't exist in the US
• 2:11:30
  in the same same way where it's like it's, you know, Aunt Becky
• 2:11:33
  did what she had to do for her daughter.
• 2:11:34
  She thought, but it wasn't like, yeah, my daughter's at USC cuz,
• 2:11:37
  you know, and that's my all credit is due to me.
• 2:11:40
  I don't know. It's just it's different.
• 2:11:42
  I feel like here. Yeah, you don't necessarily get
• 2:11:46
  clout. I mean, I guess you do.
• 2:11:48
  I don't know. It's not just but I.
• 2:11:50
  Don't think someone else is not going to throw you a party
• 2:11:53
  because your kid got into Harvard Medical School, No.
• 2:11:58
  You're just like, oh wow, that's great, Congrats, that's the end
• 2:12:01
  of it. Like.
• 2:12:02
  I don't know, you might be like, slip me the number of the tutor
• 2:12:05
  or whatever. The SAT cab person.
• 2:12:07
  Yeah, but you're not gonna be like, let me throw a little mini
• 2:12:09
  ballroom, whatever. Viennese, the Flopster and the
• 2:12:14
  whole and string quartet. Yeah, in your honor.
• 2:12:16
  No, but the mother and him saying you raised me wrong, my
• 2:12:22
  life is an empty shell, is what he told the family.
• 2:12:26
  He also was upset that he couldn't recognize that Henna
• 2:12:29
  was his daughter, which I I found that interesting.
• 2:12:31
  I mean, I don't have kids but I wonder like if that's the thing
• 2:12:34
  I feel like it would could be. That he didn't feel any
• 2:12:36
  connection. Yeah, he was so blinded by his
• 2:12:39
  own ambition and everything, whatever was going on in his
• 2:12:42
  life. Yeah, that he's just like, OK,
• 2:12:44
  the help. We have our servant, we have our
• 2:12:46
  in house tutor. Yeah, like he and she even
• 2:12:50
  looked at him and was like up like when she's dying.
• 2:12:52
  Oh my God. And he's he like, saw it but
• 2:12:55
  didn't see it, didn't register. I don't know where he was.
• 2:12:58
  Like, she's delirious because she's dying.
• 2:13:00
  I don't know what he thought, but yeah.
• 2:13:02
  Or I like the fact that they were calling each other out on
• 2:13:06
  this in the final episodes about they did not care what happened
• 2:13:11
  to other people's children. They did not.
• 2:13:14
  They did not. They other people's children
• 2:13:17
  could commit suicide, could die. I mean, dire things could happen
• 2:13:23
  to other people's children, but it didn't matter.
• 2:13:24
  It's somebody else's problem, somebody else's story.
• 2:13:28
  It would never happen to me because I'm different.
• 2:13:32
  There's like an arrogance about these people and there was an
• 2:13:38
  arrogance about him when he made that call to not save Hannah.
• 2:13:44
  I do think I mean you like you said yourself, he held this
• 2:13:48
  maybe resentment, definite judginess towards his wife for
• 2:13:50
  being from a low class family and lower socioeconomic class
• 2:13:53
  any and it probably extended to the help whoever he consider the
• 2:13:59
  help. So he didn't really bat an eye
• 2:14:00
  and Hannah or think much of her outside of like, Oh, my
• 2:14:03
  daughter's happy. So here he calls into question
• 2:14:05
  his whole mentality about who? Whose lives have value.
• 2:14:10
  Because I killed my daughter and I thought she had no value.
• 2:14:14
  I thought she was a nobody. It's crazy.
• 2:14:17
  It's crazy. That was, even though it was Mac
• 2:14:19
  Jung, it was in like a bit ostentatious.
• 2:14:22
  Yeah, still in a way believable or something.
• 2:14:24
  It resonated, I'll say that. I agree, but we had to talk
• 2:14:28
  about the coordinator. OK, The coordinator is the last
• 2:14:30
  person that we have to talk about.
• 2:14:32
  We could talk at length specifics about what happens to
• 2:14:37
  each character and specifically Pixie cut because she has a lot
• 2:14:41
  of shit that she does and says, but we can't go into that
• 2:14:46
  because the coordinator, Oh my God, what you got to say about
• 2:14:49
  the coordinator? Another one with a secret
• 2:14:53
  identity. There's some parallels to some
• 2:14:55
  of this stuff with the with the Pixie cut.
• 2:14:57
  Yeah, So's mom. Lying about your past and who
• 2:15:00
  you are. Lying about your past having
• 2:15:02
  different names cuz she was Jenny or Kim or something.
• 2:15:06
  Jennifer. Yeah, Jennifer Kim and from
• 2:15:10
  like, but that's Virginia somewhere in the she was in.
• 2:15:13
  Fairfax, VA Yeah, yeah. Fairfax, VA.
• 2:15:16
  Apparently, there's a thriving area in American community in
• 2:15:20
  Fairfax, VA. Could be, could well be, yeah.
• 2:15:23
  And then her daughter, she basically was a bit like, yes,
• 2:15:27
  So's mom, but her daughter was a already a genius.
• 2:15:31
  Like a prodigy, yeah. Georgetown or GW or one of those
• 2:15:34
  places at. GW.
• 2:15:35
  Yeah, OK. And then she is having some kind
• 2:15:38
  of fight with her husband and then she might or might not have
• 2:15:43
  cut the brakes on her husband's car, but her daughter was in the
• 2:15:46
  car and they get into an accident.
• 2:15:47
  The. Husband died?
• 2:15:47
  No, she did cut the brakes on her head.
• 2:15:49
  OK so she gets accused of this Is this was a whole thing
• 2:15:54
  throughout the show? Like did she or did she not kill
• 2:15:57
  her husband by cutting the brakes on his car?
• 2:16:00
  Was there ever a doubt? Like absolutely she did this.
• 2:16:05
  Right, She, I mean, she was just as cutthroat as other as like,
• 2:16:08
  you know, yes, as mom of like we, I have to make the most out
• 2:16:11
  of my genius prodigy child. And he's like, can she live?
• 2:16:15
  And he's, she's like, no, not, not through anything but
• 2:16:17
  academics. And then she's like, but you
• 2:16:19
  can't live either. Literally tries to kill him.
• 2:16:21
  But the daughter's in the car when this happens.
• 2:16:23
  And so she becomes disabled and the prodigy stuff is gone.
• 2:16:27
  She's not gonna like develop the the average pace of other
• 2:16:30
  people, intellectually or otherwise.
• 2:16:33
  So she just like hides her in some creepy house, like a safe
• 2:16:37
  house. Literally in the mountains.
• 2:16:40
  Yeah, watches her in the woods like again.
• 2:16:42
  A creeper, She's a. She can't, she can't face her I
• 2:16:46
  guess, or doesn't want to be in her presence or something so she
• 2:16:49
  barely ever sees her. Gives her lots of toy gifts and
• 2:16:53
  the kid is just doing like math equations or whatever in her.
• 2:16:56
  This has that prodigy. It's so creepy why she dressed
• 2:17:00
  as her in a dress was like beyond.
• 2:17:02
  I was like, oh. My.
• 2:17:03
  God, why the why the child's frilly dress like?
• 2:17:07
  Why not just dress like a little?
• 2:17:09
  Communion dress, you know what I'm saying?
• 2:17:11
  Like a. It had a rough, like a little
• 2:17:14
  rough rough. And.
• 2:17:16
  Taffeta. Yeah, it's just bizarre, like.
• 2:17:20
  It just made it so creepy. Yeah, anyway, so this lady is a
• 2:17:25
  whole mess, a whole last mess and she was mentally ill like as
• 2:17:32
  well. So definitely, definitely she
• 2:17:36
  was she was out to get these elite families as as basically
• 2:17:41
  as revenge like for what she did herself to her own daughter,
• 2:17:48
  like she shot. Herself, some foot flagellation
• 2:17:50
  she did through other people. It's not even self flagellation
• 2:17:53
  because it's not really hurting her to do this to the other
• 2:17:57
  families. It's it's like if I shot myself
• 2:18:00
  in the foot, now everybody else has to get shot in the foot.
• 2:18:04
  And that's what she was doing. She was and the tactics that she
• 2:18:08
  was using to like get into the kids heads and yeah, shake their
• 2:18:13
  confidence and make them dependent on her.
• 2:18:16
  She was literally grooming them. Grooming.
• 2:18:19
  It was crazy. Yeah, I love when people bring
• 2:18:22
  up grooming in K dramas because I'm like, this is a very
• 2:18:27
  textbook. This one is, and I feel like
• 2:18:30
  sometimes people use that word so lightly.
• 2:18:32
  They do. They're like, oh, it's flippant,
• 2:18:34
  like, oh, it's the man's older than the woman by 10 years.
• 2:18:38
  Oh, he's grooming her. No, slow down.
• 2:18:40
  Like that's not the case. But 100% of the time this, this
• 2:18:45
  is 100% grooming. And it's scary grooming because
• 2:18:51
  she's got them locked in like a window.
• 2:18:53
  Even when she shows the like flashback of like touching young
• 2:18:56
  Jays, I don't know somebody. It was very sexual, like did you
• 2:19:00
  get those sexual overtones? I was upset.
• 2:19:02
  I didn't want to. It's upsetting.
• 2:19:04
  It's rejecting. I rebuke it it.
• 2:19:08
  Was highly upsetting to see her like do the one-on-one
• 2:19:12
  meditations with the kids which was basically her conditioning
• 2:19:16
  them to to be reliant on her for everything.
• 2:19:20
  So manipulative, so conniving. And they already like, it's such
• 2:19:24
  a long con and like they have all this trust in her and faith
• 2:19:27
  in her and she's their one hope. They're saving grace.
• 2:19:30
  Of course, they have this, like, over dependence on her and
• 2:19:33
  overly trustworthy of her. Yeah, it was so upsetting.
• 2:19:37
  And she messed young Jay up so bad.
• 2:19:40
  Oh my gosh. Was on the way to messing up
• 2:19:42
  ESO. For sure, but I mean at first
• 2:19:45
  you don't realize the extent of her manipulation tactics with
• 2:19:51
  young Jet. Like even when she says that
• 2:19:53
  little story to him, the bedtime story of that couple in the in
• 2:19:59
  the olden times who had this in and they would kill their
• 2:20:06
  patrons and bury them. Under the floorboards or
• 2:20:10
  whatever of their their establishment basically on the
• 2:20:13
  property and then suddenly they have a couple of kids and they
• 2:20:18
  do everything possible to make sure that they are successful
• 2:20:21
  and can pass the state exam. This is like in a saga, like
• 2:20:26
  something you would see in a saga.
• 2:20:27
  It's a historical like little Yeah ditty that she's telling
• 2:20:31
  Yong Jay. And they do.
• 2:20:34
  They pass the state exam and they have high-ranking
• 2:20:36
  positions. And when they return to their
• 2:20:38
  little town, they instantly fall dead.
• 2:20:44
  Just keel over. And die.
• 2:20:46
  I was trying to make sense of this.
• 2:20:48
  Oh allegory. Oh really?
• 2:20:51
  Well I just was like, not sure how she was what she's trying to
• 2:20:54
  tell him about. Well, I just think it was like a
• 2:20:56
  karmic thing, like she was like, you reap what you sow.
• 2:20:59
  What they reaped was death and destruction.
• 2:21:03
  And they did. They were killing the patrons
• 2:21:06
  that came to their inn in order to steal their money.
• 2:21:11
  And then they expected their children to be successful and
• 2:21:16
  and wonderful and great and studied well.
• 2:21:18
  And you know they can't. You can't have.
• 2:21:22
  You can't. And that's how we planted this
• 2:21:23
  seed of like. Your mom is not your like friend
• 2:21:25
  in this situation, right? Has she well or no?
• 2:21:30
  I think the the seed was when your parents are they're
• 2:21:33
  happiest, that's when you exact your revenge like they're in
• 2:21:38
  that little story. The karmic revenge was your
• 2:21:42
  children died as a result of what the shit that you
• 2:21:45
  committed. Yeah.
• 2:21:48
  And what she's saying was you can do that.
• 2:21:50
  You can create that same effect manually in your life by taking
• 2:21:56
  away this happiness from your parents.
• 2:22:00
  As soon as you give it to them, you take it away, commit this
• 2:22:03
  revenge against them. And she was very vague about
• 2:22:05
  like what this revenge would be. She.
• 2:22:07
  Kind of left. Well, he disowns.
• 2:22:09
  He ended. The letter he disowns.
• 2:22:11
  Yeah, yeah. Which is probably like the Yeah,
• 2:22:14
  I don't. Know and that's why the mom
• 2:22:16
  commits suicide at the beginning because she was.
• 2:22:18
  He's like she thought she lost her son.
• 2:22:20
  Yeah, completely. Completely like he cut her off.
• 2:22:26
  Like forget the Med school, I think she was more devastated
• 2:22:30
  that she's lost her son. I know I was wondering about
• 2:22:33
  that because it's hard to tell with her cuz she is saw her so
• 2:22:35
  little cuz it's like what if that happened to ESO's mom?
• 2:22:39
  Part of you is like, I mean, she did love her ESO.
• 2:22:42
  You can't deny it, I guess, but it's so it's.
• 2:22:43
  Not like she didn't love her, but it was a very.
• 2:22:45
  It's toxic. It's a toxic love.
• 2:22:48
  And it almost seems like it could have been, but we don't.
• 2:22:51
  Again, it's a bit blurry, like transactional.
• 2:22:54
  If you go exactly, exactly, then I will continue to love you.
• 2:22:59
  Very conditional. Yeah.
• 2:22:59
  So yeah, she was feeding these kids some shit, like every time.
• 2:23:04
  And then like you come to find out she wasn't even tutoring
• 2:23:07
  them. Honestly, she was stealing.
• 2:23:12
  OK, this is the thing. I thought everybody knew this
• 2:23:15
  was happening the whole time, like from the bank meeting.
• 2:23:18
  I was like, what do you think is happening here?
• 2:23:20
  You think these people, the, the percentages they were giving
• 2:23:22
  like 9900%, everyone gets into Seoul National University Med
• 2:23:26
  school. That's what the hell else could
• 2:23:27
  be possibly happening. They're cheating.
• 2:23:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they have access to the
• 2:23:32
  CSAT. CI don't know what to say.
• 2:23:34
  Pronounce it CSAT beforehand right?
• 2:23:37
  You know. They have access to something,
• 2:23:39
  whether it was their, I think they were stealing their
• 2:23:41
  school's questions, finals, like finals and midterms questions.
• 2:23:46
  Either way, either way, to me, you should have realized or to
• 2:23:49
  me, I was like thought that's, I thought that's what was going on
• 2:23:51
  the whole time that you're buying a coordinator in quotes
• 2:23:54
  to cheat, very similar to Aunt Becky.
• 2:23:57
  It's not like she didn't know that her kid didn't play water
• 2:24:00
  polo or whatever, you know what I mean?
• 2:24:01
  Like. They know we're gonna have to
• 2:24:03
  put this story of Aunt Becky like Lori Loughlin's in there,
• 2:24:08
  because I can't remember exactly what she did.
• 2:24:10
  I don't, I don't even know if that was her kid, but there was
• 2:24:12
  like a gang of parents. It was not.
• 2:24:14
  It was not just her either. Yeah, it was like.
• 2:24:16
  A bunch, it was a bunch of parents and one of the things
• 2:24:19
  that this guy or people or whoever offered was things like
• 2:24:22
  staging photos with like a canoe or whatever, whatever they call
• 2:24:27
  those things and saying you're on crew and you you row crew and
• 2:24:30
  and with water polo and saying you play water polo.
• 2:24:33
  You may have never seen fake extra thing.
• 2:24:35
  Yeah, yes. And get taking photographs as
• 2:24:38
  though it's proof that you do this.
• 2:24:39
  I don't know what college application requires you to
• 2:24:41
  submit photos that you did these things, but that's what these
• 2:24:44
  people were doing. I mean, massive fraud, like it's
• 2:24:47
  just, but this was fraud as well.
• 2:24:51
  And yes, it was so naive of the parents to think that they were
• 2:24:56
  just like. Why would it cost this much if
• 2:25:01
  it wasn't high stakes? Cheating Like that was my thing.
• 2:25:03
  I was like, well, what the hell is It was happening.
• 2:25:05
  Millions of well, they were saying billions of one, but in
• 2:25:08
  U.S. dollars it would be millions of dollars.
• 2:25:13
  Of course they're cheating. How can they care?
• 2:25:15
  That's what. I thought that's literally what
• 2:25:17
  I was so confused by the end when they're all shocked and
• 2:25:19
  dismayed that these are actual test questions, not just to
• 2:25:24
  really like coincidentally. Lucky.
• 2:25:26
  And the fact that the kids were also bamboozled.
• 2:25:29
  Like none of them put two and two together.
• 2:25:31
  I thought you were supposed to be smart.
• 2:25:33
  Yeah, I thought you guys were smart.
• 2:25:34
  Like as soon as you guys finished the 1st test, you guys
• 2:25:37
  should have been like, Oh my God, all the questions that I'd
• 2:25:41
  studied were on the test. How SUS.
• 2:25:46
  They never put two and two together.
• 2:25:48
  To range. I mean, they didn't sleep, get
• 2:25:50
  much sleep, so maybe that's why. But no, yeah, they weren't
• 2:25:52
  fired. But cylinders, yeah, it was very
• 2:25:56
  weird. That's only one.
• 2:25:57
  Maybe my biggest hang up of the show was that Parks, I was like,
• 2:25:59
  what did you think was happening?
• 2:26:01
  What did you think you were paying for?
• 2:26:02
  What did you think was going on? How could she guarantee
• 2:26:04
  anything? Why did you listen to her and
• 2:26:07
  bend her every word and will? I thought this was all like an
• 2:26:09
  elaborate ploy to make sure she gives your feeds your kids the
• 2:26:12
  test questions. That's that was what I was
• 2:26:14
  thinking. Yeah.
• 2:26:15
  But I don't know actually. I'm not sure if we have much
• 2:26:17
  else to say about this show. Like, we went through every
• 2:26:21
  character. Yeah, I think so.
• 2:26:24
  I just want to reiterate again that I really again, I think the
• 2:26:27
  acting was on point for what it was because it could have been
• 2:26:30
  in some and it could have been mock Jung in the way that's
• 2:26:32
  annoying like how you don't yeah, her to watch those things.
• 2:26:35
  But they did a good job of being restraint and practicing
• 2:26:38
  restraint in certain areas and the kids also.
• 2:26:41
  I just again, I'm shocked with the girl who played Yeah, Bean
• 2:26:44
  acted so well and showed so many different emotions.
• 2:26:47
  Yeah, so too because she's annoying, but she had her
• 2:26:50
  vulnerable moments. She was friendless.
• 2:26:52
  She had a crush on Unrequited Live with Wuju.
• 2:26:56
  So, yeah, so she was rotten. Like she was selfish.
• 2:27:00
  And I love when the plant lady is like, what are you going to
• 2:27:02
  do with that spoiled, selfish daughter of yours?
• 2:27:07
  Like you can't, you can't do anything with her.
• 2:27:09
  Nobody wants to be around her. Like she has no respect for
• 2:27:13
  elders and adults. And she's like a terror.
• 2:27:18
  It was so evident that she was right like and nobody wanted to
• 2:27:22
  work with her when she tried to get away from the coordinator
• 2:27:24
  and was trying to set up other teams and get in on other study
• 2:27:28
  groups. Like none of the other moms and
• 2:27:30
  students would allow her yes O in because she burned every
• 2:27:35
  bridge in town just being super condescending and mean to the
• 2:27:41
  other students. Yeah, no one's going to want to
• 2:27:44
  study with you, bitch like it no life.
• 2:27:48
  The coordinator as well, like she maniacal madness coming up
• 2:27:56
  in waves off of her by the end of the show.
• 2:27:59
  Yeah, the desperation. The desperation, she tried to
• 2:28:01
  kill her child. Like what I was like, she's a
• 2:28:04
  coward. Like there's so.
• 2:28:05
  Many. I thought it was going to be
• 2:28:06
  murder. Suicide.
• 2:28:07
  Me too. Me too.
• 2:28:08
  Like they were going to both eat porridge or something, which I'm
• 2:28:11
  not sure that they weren't. Maybe they were.
• 2:28:13
  It was Curry. Oh, Curry.
• 2:28:15
  Sorry. They were going to eat poisoned
• 2:28:18
  Curry and die together, mother and daughter.
• 2:28:21
  But then she finally got in the room with her daughter and felt
• 2:28:26
  some type of way. Yeah, finally.
• 2:28:29
  It was so sad to see the the daughter go.
• 2:28:32
  I'm sorry. I'll study harder.
• 2:28:33
  It's just like she knew she created.
• 2:28:35
  This whole situation is her own. Is her own making of her own
• 2:28:41
  making she. Did this to her own daughter the
• 2:28:45
  whole like time the plant lady was like, you're you guys are
• 2:28:47
  all so greedy. Your greed is getting to you.
• 2:28:49
  And that also applied to the coordinator.
• 2:28:52
  I think that's it's, it's interesting.
• 2:28:53
  I don't again, I don't have kids, but like, I think it's
• 2:28:55
  something to think about for parents about like one's own
• 2:28:58
  greed and one's own aspirations that they're, they're sort of
• 2:29:01
  like putting on their kids that may not because not your life to
• 2:29:05
  live, it's your kids life to live.
• 2:29:07
  But I think some parents would disagree, at least based on this
• 2:29:10
  drama. Yeah.
• 2:29:12
  Also, I think I have one note here that I was like, oh, I
• 2:29:15
  should say this. The Pixie cut.
• 2:29:16
  I think she had a Pixie cut because hair in Confucian belief
• 2:29:21
  connects you to your parents. And she wanted nothing to do
• 2:29:25
  with her history, her parents, her father in particular, with
• 2:29:30
  her past. And she, it's like she's cutting
• 2:29:33
  it off, like cutting off all that connection.
• 2:29:36
  I thought it was really important that she had a Pixie
• 2:29:38
  cut. That's a good point.
• 2:29:40
  That's a very good point, yeah, 'cause you kind of had to wonder
• 2:29:43
  why she 'cause there's so much like displays of femininity and
• 2:29:46
  blah, blah, whatever. And she did dress in like, you
• 2:29:49
  know, dresses and jewelry and heels and things that are
• 2:29:52
  associated with feminism, femininity.
• 2:29:53
  I mean. And she, but she had the short
• 2:29:55
  hair, which right now in Korea is not considered a good thing
• 2:30:01
  for anti feminist people because they think that means you are a
• 2:30:03
  feminist, which is a really considered a bad thing in some
• 2:30:06
  parts of Korean society. So, yeah, it's very, it is
• 2:30:08
  interesting, Yeah. We could talk way more about Sky
• 2:30:12
  Castle. If you want to talk to us about
• 2:30:14
  Sky Castle, we are totally game. We are totally game.
• 2:30:18
  Meena, where can people find you online?
• 2:30:21
  Well, I will always respond to DMS on Instagram.
• 2:30:25
  I am K pop bookshelf. I do have my own podcast, K Pop
• 2:30:29
  Bookshelf. It's, it's a bit of a misnomer
• 2:30:31
  'cause I don't only talk about K Pop actually most of the time
• 2:30:33
  talk about other stuff, Korean history and sociology and stuff
• 2:30:36
  like that. So check it out.
• 2:30:38
  It's like AK bookshelf. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:30:41
  I gotta reel you guys in somehow.
• 2:30:42
  So I call the K Pop bookshelf. But I do also talk about K Pop
• 2:30:45
  sometimes. That's all.
• 2:30:45
  Yeah. All right, Mina, thank you so
• 2:30:48
  much for coming on the podcast and talking at length about Sky
• 2:30:51
  Castle. This was so much fun.
• 2:30:53
  Is there anything else you want to say about Sky Castle before
• 2:30:56
  we get out of here? I actually would just really
• 2:30:58
  encourage people to give it a chance.
• 2:30:59
  If we have piqued your interest and you didn't watch it or other
• 2:31:03
  people have told you like now is the time, now is the time to
• 2:31:06
  just watch it. Even though you're like, I don't
• 2:31:07
  know if it's for me, Just give it a chance, that's all.
• 2:31:10
  Only thing I would say I agree we highly recommend it.
• 2:31:13
  Please reach out to us if you want to talk about Sky Castle
• 2:31:17
  more because there is so much we actually did not talk about
• 2:31:21
  about this show and a lot of specifics that are even crazier
• 2:31:26
  that we just didn't talk about. But that's been our show.
• 2:31:29
  Thank you for having OH. My God, yes.
• 2:31:31
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 2:31:32
  That's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
• 2:31:35
  the Tabaki Rambles podcast. Tell you the truth, sometimes we
• 2:31:50
  live and listen. I all right, it's a it's faker.
• 2:32:08
  Shut it up.