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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 7) (6/2/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
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  the interview given by the Securities Corrections Captain at MCC
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  to the OIG investigators. Question Okay, all right, so that
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  was incorrect, all that stuff about the redacted thing, and
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  then it goes on to say redacted informally advised his
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  lieutenants that Epstein was not to be housed alone and
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  emphasized the need to be vigilant about thirty minute checks
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  and unannounced rounds. And that you said there were emails
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  about that as well as when you spoke with your
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  lieutenants and when you went to the shoes specifically, answer
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  uh huh. Question correct, all right, And you don't remember
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  the last time you did that, but between August, between
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  July thirtieth and August ninth, you at least did it
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  a few times answer right, question okay, And do you
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  think that you hit at least all three shifts between
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  that time? Answer correct, question okay, Answer I believe I did. Yeah.
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  Question all right. Inmates sell mats and are typically the
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  people that are assigned to the shoe are they in
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  those three shifts? Or you would have to hit the
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  people that are assigned between that time period. So point being,
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  maybe you don't remember specifically I had a conversation with
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  that person or that person or that person. But if
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  they're assigned to the Shoe, not a temporary duty assignment
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  like ot type of assignment, but the people that were
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  assigned there, that was their duty too. Answer. So, like
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  I remember specifically I hit daywatch redacted. I remember mister
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  Perry Percy or Perry, whatever his name. I remember those guys.
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  I know I spoke to or redacted. I know I
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  spoke to different guys the shoe staff that was always
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  up there. Question, but you just don't specifically remember talking
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  to Noel. Answer no question, Okay, answer. She might have
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  been in the background somewhere. She could have been there.
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  I don't know, but I don't remember. He gets cut
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  off by the investigator. But redacted should have spoken with her. Answer,
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  of course, because that's part of that's part of the
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  expectations of the unit. If I give you a guidance,
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  your guidance should have been disseminated down to the officers. Question. Okay,
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  how about the people. So we're going to get into
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  this later. But since we're conversing about it now. It
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  looks like Reyes was moved. I think his appointment with
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  court was at like a thirty, and I think he
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  was gone from the institution by like one fifty. Does
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  that sound right? Answer something like that. It could have
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  been question, so who was in the shoe at that time?
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  If he's gone from the institution by like one fifty,
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  who would have been who would have been there? Answer?
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  So that would have been all of your six to
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  two and your eight to four staff question. So I
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  guess let's go from the top. Who would have been
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  the person in charge at the top level? Answer that?
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  I mean as far as that would have been show one,
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  because he would have got the guys to notice that
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  he was supposed to move the other guys question and
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  who was at answer? And move the inmate? Question? And
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  who was at answer? It was redacted? Question redacted? And
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  what time was he working from? Answer? He was working
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  from eight to four question? So he was eight to
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  four and those times are accurate on there. And if
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  the lieutenant said, oh, we know it says zero to eight,
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  but we're actually ten pm, he gets cut off by
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  the guard. And that's true. The officers worked those prescribed shifts. Answer, okay, question,
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  the lieutenant was given those shifts because of their commutes.
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  Some of them were coming two hours out, so for
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  them to come from various parts of Jersey or a
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  long island, you know, as a consensus, we said, hey,
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  I'll continue because that was the previous administration. The previous
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  captain put that in for those guys. So you know,
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  with those conversations, you know, with the lieutenants, I said,
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  I'll keep that. I said, you know, you try to
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  do those things. Where I came from, we didn't do
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  those things, you know, as far as that. You know,
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  the captain ran a shift, whatever the shift was, you
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  did it. But when I came to Brooklyn, that was
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  a common practice in Brooklyn. That was common practice in Brooklyn.
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  You know, the captain would allow them when I was
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  a lieutenant, would allow us to know, to work those shifts.
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  And due to we've got staff that commute far out,
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  so that was just an incentive to get these guys
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  to come to work, you know. Answer sure, but the
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  time for these shoe staff, that's the actual hours that's
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  listed on that answer. But for the line staff, that
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  roster correctly imitates their schedule. Question perfect? So who then,
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  I guess you said they would be working until four pm?
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  Answer right? Question, so they would have at least two
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  hours to be able to do something. Answer right question?
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  And who was it was on that day? Answer? So
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  I had redacted, I had a joiner, I had redacted,
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  and I had redacted. Question and did you speak with
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  all of those individuals about the need for a cell mate? Answer?
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  I believe I did because they were daywatch. But like
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  I said, it wouldn't have been on August ninth, question right,
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  but just but they would have known that they need
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  to answer. They was in the unit for that quarter.
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  So once I got the guidance from mister redacted of
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  what he wanted me to do, I moved on and
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  did it. So I can't tell you, but I know
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  I spoke to the day watch shoe staff. There were
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  the first ones that I spoke to. Question So who then?
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  Out of their who would have the shoe staff reported
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  the matter to answer the what now question? So the
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  shoe staff that's in there, they now know that he
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  doesn't have a cell mate and the cell mate is
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  not coming back. Answer okay, So they would have known
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  that he wasn't coming back until probably evening. Watch question. Okay,
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  so you don't think that those guys would have known. Answer? No,
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  they wouldn't have known because I don't know when the
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  inmate left the institution. But what happens is when the
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  court line comes out. I believe that the inmate leave
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  the institution supposed to between six and eight or seven,
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  you know, let's say seven to nine. So between that
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  time those inmates are they're picked up, and then they're
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  transported to court. Question Okay, so what time did redacted work?
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  What was his shift? Answer? It was eight to four? Question.
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  So if we can, let's assume for this instance that
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  redacted knows that he needs a cell mate, what should
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  have been done? Answer? Probably wouldn't have known question. But
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  let's say for this instance he did know. Answer. So
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  if he knew he knew that he needed a cell mate,
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  and he knew that the cell maate wasn't coming back,
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  he probably wouldn't. But what I'm trying to tell you, sir,
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  he probably would have never known. Question. I know, but
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  in this instance, I'm just saying, let's just let's say
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  that he did answer. Okay, So the instance of what
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  would have happened. What would happen was he should have Okay,
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  this guy's not coming. He should have notified me. He
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  should have been like, hey, cap hey reys Epstein, cell mate,
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  he went to court, he's not coming back. Question and
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  he did not answer. No question, okay answers. No one
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  later informed me that that inmate ever went to court.
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  I didn't even know that he went to court because
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  guess what during the time this inmate is in court,
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  Epstein is in attorney, visiting all day question. Sure answer.
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  So nobody would have even thought about it, because, oh,
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  Epstein is an attorney visiting. His cellmate is not in there. Okay,
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  his cell mate went to court. Nobody would have even
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  been made aware that he didn't have a CELLI until
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  they went to put him physically in the cell. Question Okay,
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  So when do you think it would have been in
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  this instance, when do you think it would have come from? Answer?
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  As far as knowing he didn't have a SELLI question,
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  correct answer. Somebody should have known when he didn't come.
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  They should have been on evening watch. Question. So who
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  was on evening watch? Answer? So evening watch. Well, let's
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  see here you're talking about as the OIC question in
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  the shoe. Answer yeah, that would have been redacted. Question okay,
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  so redacted? Answer yeah. Question and who should have he
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  reported the matter too? Answer he would have reported it
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  to the operations lieutenant. Question and who was the operations
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  lieutenant at the time? Answer? I believe the lieutenant would
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  have been. That would have been redacted. Question all right?
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  And redacted? Again, you no one told you so obviously
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  you didn't tell anyone. Answer yeah, question so okay, And
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  would redact it have gone directly to redacted? Answer? Yeah,
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  he would have called. But guess what I was there.
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  I didn't leave that night until I ate I was
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  there until eight that night. Question right, and you did
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  not visit the shoe that night? Correct answer, I can't remember.
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  Question all right. Answer I'm going to say, did I
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  make the rounds that day or I didn't? I don't know,
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  but I know I didn't leave the institution until late
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  that night. Question And you know though that reyus, you
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  were never aware on that day that Rays had went
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  to court. You didn't even know that he went to court,
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  let alone that he was coming back. Answer correct question okay,
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  so redacted should have went direct to redacted? Answer correct?
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  Question all right, and is somebody that you did have
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  a conversation with regard to the need for the cell
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  maate Correct answer, I don't know if again, talking to
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  people in all three shifts, do I remember or redacted
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  working in the unit? Yeah, but as you're talking to people,
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  I don't remember that. Hey, I talked. There's a certain
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  people that I can't remember that I spoke specifically too,
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  as opposed to some people you know could have been
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  in the area. That's why I can't. I mean, I
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  know I talked to the daywatch shoe staff for sure.
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  As I mentioned those names, I talked to those guys.
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  Question so, but redacted should have certainly have told them?
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  Answer yes, question so he's the officer in charge? Who
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  else was on that day? Answer? You had Touvin Noel
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  and she was number two, and then you had redacted.
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  Question toven Ol correct answer, yeah, Noel, And then you
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  had m. Thomas was shoe three that day? And then
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  had the shoe four was not assigned? Question? Okay, so
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  those three people were in shoe. So was it ultimately
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  the officer in charges responsibility or should have the other
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  two redacted and Noel have taken any action? Should have
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  they contacted anyone. Answer, Well, if you're walking and you're
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  doing the unit, you would see especially at the four
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  pm count, because you need to know where all of
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  your inmates are. So at the four o'clock count, where's Epstein?
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  Epstein is at his attorney visiting, because he's going to
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  get a count slip from the attorney visit? Right where
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  is reys Reyes is out at court? Then somebody should
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  have called R and D where is this guy? Somebody
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  should have called R and D. That means the lieutenant
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  would have been notified because you can't clear the count,
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  where's the inmate at? So if you can't clear the count,
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  where's the inmate? The inmate went out? But it's now
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  four o'clock. But I did say that sometimes inmates don't
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  come back on the four o'clock so they call that ghosting.
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  Supposedly he's supposed to be at court. But did you
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  get a count slip from the court. No, When he
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  leaves out of the institution, that's on them. So that
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  means the institution number should have came down minus one.
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  Question so you believe that the shoe should have known
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  by the four pm during the four pm count? Answer? Yeah, question.
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  All right, And let's in this case, if they didn't
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  do account at four pm, should have someone known otherwise
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  after that? So would someone have contacted them and said, hey,
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  by the way, this guy's not coming back. Answer right?
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  So that means that the four pm count, when you're
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  going through the unit, he gets cut off by the guard.
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  But if they didn't do a four pm count, So
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  let's say in this instance that they didn't do a
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  four pm count, answer, nobody would know? Question? Would R
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  and D have called them? Answer? No question? So unless
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  they do the count, they don't even know that the
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  guy's not coming back. Answer that's right. Question. Okay, So
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  no one is calling them and saying, by the way,
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  your guy that went to court, he's not coming back.
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  Answer right? Question? Okay, answer because you would know because,
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  like I told you before, sometimes inmates go to court
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  and they don't come back. The only time you are
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  going to know is when these guys always come back
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  for court lined by four o'clock, but sometimes they don't
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  come back at four. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap
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  up right here and in the next episode dealing with
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  the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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